[01:19] <Laibsch> Hi
[01:19] <Laibsch> Does a ppa publish the information necessary for users to trust the published packages?
[01:19] <Laibsch> I tried with my own ppa (apt-key add), but the files are still shown as being from an untrusted source
[01:20] <RAOF> No, it doesn't.  This is planned.
[01:24] <Laibsch> Nice
[01:38] <jamesh> I'd be a bit worried if running apt-key add on my public key was enough to make the PPA trusted ...
[01:39] <Hobbsee> jamesh: that requires a clue about gpg keys, instead of a mere wish to get rid of scary warnings.
[01:39] <gryc> why is that jamesh?
[01:40] <jamesh> gryc: since I haven't signed the binaries in my PPA, it would mean that someone else has access to my private key
[01:40] <gryc> ohhhhhh
[01:40]  * gryc forgot the binaries were built on other servers
[04:38] <poolie> wow, after the thread before i just noticed the pencil next to 'bug description' 
[04:38] <poolie> it have never registered before
[04:43] <poolie> you should update the copyright :)
[05:04] <AaronSw> I'm getting consistent crashes when I try to edit a milestone. This is blocking my work.
[05:05] <Odd_Bloke> AaronSw: Do you mean you're getting an OOPS?  If so, having its ID is helpful for the LP admins.
[05:05] <AaronSw> https://launchpad.net/openlibrary/+milestone/opencoverthing/+edit leads to OOPS-755E531
[05:05] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/755E531
[05:06] <poolie> hm should ubotu be posting that here, it's not very helpful
[05:06] <poolie> oh well
[05:06] <poolie> AaronSw, i think i was getting something similar
[05:07] <AaronSw> It's so consistent it seems like it must be something simple.
[05:07] <AaronSw> Or at least obvious.
[05:07] <poolie> AaronSw, is it an AttributeError?
[05:07] <AaronSw> I don't know; I don't have access to the tracebacks
[05:07] <poolie> i get that on milestone-
[05:07] <poolie> oh
[05:09] <poolie> yes it's bug 185732, marked critical, hopefully will be fixed soon
[05:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185732 in launchpad "+edit milestone page is broken when the date is set" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185732
[05:10] <poolie> hello Odd_Bloke 
[05:10] <Odd_Bloke> poolie: Hey. :)
[06:49] <Syntux> I'm trying to login to Ubuntu wiki using same credentials of my launchpad account but aint working, I have also tried to reset my password (as suggested in the wiki) but it didnt work even with the new password.
[06:51] <Syntux> argh, ok
[06:51] <Syntux> worked
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #185841 in rosetta "PO parser: string index out of range" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185841
[08:02] <Aloha> whats the point of having a PPA if you can just distribute the .deb file?
[08:03] <Aloha> or is it if you have dependencies that only your PPA has?
[08:20] <jamesh> Aloha: do you have the infrastructure set up to build dapper, edgy, feisty, gutsy and hardy packages on i386, amd64 and lpia?
[08:22] <Aloha> oh good point. will hardy packages work on gutsy?
[08:22] <jamesh> depends
[08:22] <Aloha> on what category of things?
[08:23] <jamesh> on whether something the package depends on differs between gutsy and hardy
[08:23] <jamesh> (I can't really be any more specific than that)
[08:23] <Aloha> gotcha
[08:25] <Aloha> so if i need lib-foobar-1.17 which is hardy but i have a gutsy install which has lib-foobar-1.16 then its probably best to use gutsy package
[08:26] <carlos> morning
[08:26] <Aloha> carlos, morning
[08:26] <jamesh> or you could build a lib-foobar-1.17 package for gutsy in your PPA (be careful about what version numbers you pick though, so you don't screw up upgrades to hardy)
[08:29] <Aloha> gotcha
[08:29] <jamesh> Aloha: of course, it isn't too difficult to submit both gutsy and hardy builds of a package
[08:30] <Aloha> jamesh, can i have ppa build them with a single source package or do i need one for each?
[08:30] <jamesh> Aloha: for some packages, if you build against libfoobar-1.17 the binary would depend on that version, while it is still possible to compile with older versions
[08:31] <jamesh> since PPA builds the package in the associated environment, the resulting binary should be appropriate for the target distribution release
[08:31] <jamesh> Aloha: you need to request separate builds for separate distro releases
[08:32] <Aloha> jamesh, thnx
[08:32] <jamesh> Aloha: it will build on all supported architectures though.
[08:44] <Aloha> what do karma points do?
[09:00] <Aloha> ooh sweet can delete packages now
[09:00] <Aloha> i remember when you couldn't do that. makes me feel oldschool heh
[09:00] <Aloha> like 2 days oldschool ;)
[09:08] <Kmos> cprov: the delete packages on PPA, won't remove logs too ?
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #185851 in malone "Link "find out why" doesn't really help you to" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185851
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #185853 in malone "Please link bug field labels to extended explanations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185853
[09:33] <Aloha> whats MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive
[09:33] <Aloha> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #185856 in malone "Upper right search box unuseful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185856
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #185861 in launchpad-bazaar "bzr register-branch command broken?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185861
[11:50] <lifeless> howoften do branch feeds update ?
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #185897 in launchpad "Bug reporting instuctions need humanising" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185897
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #185901 in malone "using bugtracker for communication instead of mailing lists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185901
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #185905 in malone "Getting Bug Lists By Email spec needs drafting" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185905
[12:30] <eyalev> Hello, I saw Ubuntu Hardy Translations is now open. Someone in my translations team said that we should wait for the 4th ALPHA release before we start translate. I This correct?
[13:18] <Ubulette> lucas, just read your last blog entry about dpkg-dev’s core tools. Interesting. Is the table for sid, hardy or what ?
[13:19] <lucas> sid
[13:19] <lucas> but it shouldn't differ much in hardy
[13:22] <Ubulette> i'm curious to see the trend (dapper->f->g->hardy). is that possible to do ?
[13:31] <ubotu> New bug: #185922 in soyuz "Re-POSTing a form to +delete-packages results in a oops " [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185922
[13:55] <ubotu> New bug: #185925 in rosetta "Extract file format-specific code from translation import queue" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185925
[14:18] <slytherin> Hi, firebug shows me some kind of security error on launchpad home. Should I report a bug for this?
[14:22] <Kmos> slytherin: what it says?
[14:23] <kiko> slytherin, can you /privmsg me?
[14:23] <Kmos> that's better :)
[14:23] <slytherin> kiko: sure
[15:13] <Kaleo> hello everyone
[15:14] <Kaleo> does anybody know how to change the source of a bazaar branch for a specific project?
[15:14] <Kaleo> it's a branch for which the source is a Subversion repository
[15:17] <jpatrick> hello, could an admin please look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/22795 ?
[15:38] <kai^sds> Hi, I have just tried to create a ubuntu bug report by double clicking on a file in /var/crash. the launchpad report bug page opens, but when I click on continue (below the bug subject line) I get a page telling me:
[15:38] <kai^sds> Not allowed here
[15:38] <kai^sds>      Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.           You are logged in as Kai Schroeder.   
[15:38] <kai^sds> URL for that page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald/+filebug/A8rYNBsA5LGR2OfvrSaQcIf7C5X
[15:38] <kai^sds> Any idea, why?
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #185953 in soyuz "Feature request: add pagination to list of packages to delete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185953
[18:21] <rkerr> Rinchen: ping
[18:22] <Rinchen> rkerr, Hi there!
[18:22] <Rinchen> rkerr, I'm on the phone but would love to chat with you in a few minutes
[18:22] <rkerr> Rinchen, ok let me know when you've got time
 Hello Elliot
[18:41] <statik> hi Rinchen and PibbRelay
[18:44] <Rinchen> rkerr, ok you're up :-)
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #186002 in rosetta ""Download translations" pages for language/package are inconsistent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186002
[19:21] <glatzor> danilos: hello. will newly added gutsy translation automatically added to hardy too?
[19:34] <psusi> if a bug is assigned to the wrong package, how can I reassign it so it's new and not targeted at a specific package?  so it's still waiting triaging to the right package?
[19:35] <geser> psusi: have you tried to leave the package name empty?
[19:35] <psusi> no, the bug already exists, it was assigned to a package I maintain
[19:35] <psusi> but has nothing to do with it
[19:36] <psusi> so I marked it as invalid and now want to add a target to the bug so it's just assigned to Ubuntu in general, with unknown package hint
[19:36] <psusi> like the person had left the field blank to begin with
[19:37] <geser> psusi: have you tried to edit the package name?
[19:37] <geser> which bug btw?
[19:37] <psusi> ahh, t here we go :)
[19:37] <psusi> figured it out.. hehe
[19:38] <psusi> 183930
[19:41] <Rinchen> carlos, danilos - either of you around?
[19:41] <carlos> Rinchen: I am
[19:41] <Rinchen> I need some education :-)
[19:41] <carlos> what could I do for you?
[19:42] <Rinchen> carlos, great!  Can you explain to me, if you know, why the quotes are mismatched on  https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/dpkg/+pots/dpkg/eo/+translate?start=40
[19:42] <Rinchen> The english version starts with a ` and ends with a '
[19:43] <Rinchen> I got pinged about it today from a translator
[19:44] <Rinchen> looks like some escaping mechanism
[19:46] <carlos> Rinchen: you mean, why don't they use ` its oposite instead of ' ?
[19:46] <carlos> s/its/and its/
[19:47] <Rinchen> yeah
[19:47] <Rinchen> one would think they should be paired.  ' and '   ,   " and " ,   ` and `
[19:47] <carlos> well, I think it's more a font issue than they use different styles
[19:48] <carlos> oh, do you expect `` instead of it inclined to the right?
[19:48] <carlos> Rinchen: in my keyboard, when I try to type the one to the right I get '
[19:48] <carlos> so I guess is a font issue
[19:49] <Rinchen> maybe. I have all 3 on my US Keyboard
[19:49] <carlos> I get them as a composite key
[19:49] <carlos> we use it for accents
[19:49] <carlos> á and à
[19:49] <Rinchen> right...
[19:49] <carlos> but I can get them with a white space
[19:49] <carlos> '`
[19:49] <carlos> although the rendering is not the expected...
[19:50] <carlos> maybe danilo could provide you an answer
[19:50] <carlos> ;-)
[19:50] <Rinchen> Yeah. The funny thing is that it renders the characters correctly, e.g.  ĝisdatigitan
[19:50] <carlos> he has more experience than I do in this kind of things
[19:50] <Rinchen> yeah, Serbian has a few more ...nuances 
[19:51] <Rinchen> I've asked for an export of that file. Maybe the po will give me a clue
[19:51] <danilos> Rinchen: that sounds a lot like the old ASCII typesetting of "proper" quotes (i.e. the same thing like inserting double spaces after a period)
[19:51] <Rinchen> yeah which is strange to find it in dpkg
[19:52] <Rinchen>  This is how we `used` to do it
[19:52] <Rinchen> this is how we do it 'now'
[19:52] <Rinchen> and the reason was that we only the `
[19:52] <danilos> Rinchen: typographically (i.e. while setting type), you'd have proper quotes which are neither of the ASCII quotes; but with command line programs (like dpkg :)), it's pretty common sight, I'd say
[19:52] <Rinchen> really? well, I guess I never noticed.
[19:53] <Rinchen> of course I've spent most of my time in the bowels of openoffice
[19:53] <danilos> Rinchen: I think proper Unicode quotes are ‘ and ’
[19:54] <Rinchen> In the end, the concern here was the affect on the program if the translator changed  the leading ` into a '    to match them as a pair
[19:54] <Rinchen> e.g. from the export:
[19:55] <Rinchen> msgid "cannot scan updates directory `%.255s'"
[19:55] <Rinchen> msgstr "ne skaneblas la ĝisdatigan dosierujon '%.255s'"
[19:55] <danilos> Rinchen: there should be no ill effects
[19:55] <danilos> Rinchen: in Serbian, I'd replace those with „ and “
[19:55] <danilos> :)
[19:57] <Rinchen> interesting. So it must be the original author's style
[19:57] <Rinchen> Ok, I'll email back my team member on that  
[19:58]  * Rinchen removes his translator team lead hat.
[19:58] <Rinchen> Thanks
[20:37] <Manfre> Is there a way to see why a VCS Import failed?
[20:45] <Rinchen> Manfre, I don't think that's exposed at the moment
[20:47] <Rinchen> Manfre, you might send your items to the launchpad users list or ask a question against launchpad-bzr
[20:47] <Rinchen> one of the admins can look at that for you
[20:50] <Manfre> thanks Rinchen
[20:51] <Rinchen> Manfre, welcome. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance. 
[21:18] <Aloha> it looks like the packages on my ppa get deleted but not purged when i delete them, how long does it actually take to delete them from the system?
[21:18] <Aloha> because i need to upload a new package with the same revision number but it won't let me
[21:47] <geser> Aloha: for your users of your ppa it would be better if the version number got increased
[21:47] <Aloha> geser, no one uses my ppa though. its still in testing phase
[21:52] <Aloha> i'll increase version anyway
[21:53] <Aloha> i guess its good to practice good techniques now
[21:57] <Aloha> woohoo it got accepted