[13:04] <effie_jayx> Q&A passed?
[13:05] <persia> I think it is scheduled to just start now, although I didn't see any announcement.
[13:06] <effie_jayx> it is at 13:00 UTC
[13:06] <persia> Is it not 13:05 UTC?
[13:06] <persia> (now)
[13:07] <effie_jayx> ok
[13:07] <effie_jayx> persia,  you can answer Q's right?
[13:07]  * effie_jayx knows persia can :D
[13:09] <persia> Sure.  I'll answer questions for now.  If someone wants to run a more organised Q&A session, or someone else wants to answer questions, that'd be nice too :)
[13:11] <effie_jayx> great
[13:11] <effie_jayx> persia, What are the most common tasks for beginner?
[13:13] <persia> effie_jayx: Depends on the beginner.  I generally suggest interested people to find something about Ubuntu they think could be better, and fix it.  This is best expressed as a bug, and a patch for the bug.  In many cases, someone else already reported the same bug, so the fix helps others.
[13:14] <persia> When one runs out of annoyances (or ideas), looking at other peoples bugs, and fixing those is great as well.
[13:14] <persia> Some annoyances might be that a package doesn't work the way someone wants, or that some program isn't included, or just that the documentation isn't quite right.
[13:20] <effie_jayx> I am contributing little
[13:21] <persia> Are you looking for something to do?  Have you reviewed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO?  That can provide hints if you can't find good bugs.
[13:22] <mruiz> persia, Hi! This week I used desktop-file-validate (I was working on a "missing icon" bug and DktrKranz told me about it). Is there any attempt to test desktop files in a massive way? (and fill bugs with the packages with problems)
[13:22] <persia> I also think that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/SupplementaryFiles is a good goal, so that more packages appear in Add/Remove programs, and make it easy for people to find them.
[13:23] <persia> mruiz: There have been two.  The massive-bug plan was rejected as it would have started with about 10,000 bugs, and there were only around 20 developers then.  Most .desktop bugs are accepted for inclusion fairly easily.
[13:24] <persia> Note that it is better if we can share a .desktop with Debian, as we don't want to have to merge 10,000 packages just for .desktop files.
[13:24] <mruiz> sure!
[13:24] <persia> It is much, much better to get the .desktop file upstream, and into the upstream translation domain, as otherwise the .desktop files aren't translated, and this is frustrating to users of locales other than "C".
[13:25] <mruiz> I fixed a desktop file (bug 89353) and I want to send it to Debian... What is the easiest way to do it ?
[13:27] <persia> mruiz: Check to see if there is already a .desktop bug in the BTS.  If not, report the missing .desktop file as a wishlist bug in Debian.  Attach only the .desktop file to the bug: the maintainer will often include it in the next scheduled release.  Be sure to also pass it upstream, as including it only in Debian is suboptimal, and should be considered part of a temporary solution.
[13:30] <mruiz> thanks persia ... I'll send the patch to Debian
[13:30] <persia> mruiz: patch?  Are you modifying a .desktop file, or adding one?  If the latter, just send the .desktop file.
[13:31] <mruiz> persia, I modified the .desktop file (deprecated fields + encoding problem)
[13:32] <persia> mruiz: For that, a patch is good :)  Just remember to also send upstream.
[13:32] <mruiz> It seems that upstream is not working anymore :-(
[13:34] <persia> Oh well.  Debian then :(
[13:35] <mruiz> persia, have you ever tried with submittodebian script ?
[13:37] <persia> mruiz: Nope.  I prefer to file all my bugs by hand.  This is a personal preference, and may not be the best example to follow.
[13:42] <mruiz> hahaha
[13:42] <mruiz> I understand
[13:55] <effie_jayx> thanks persia
[13:55] <effie_jayx> :D
[13:56]  * persia heads off, thinking that two questions isn't that many, and suggests anyone with additional questions ask them in #ubuntu-motu
[19:48] <Exteris> hey gunirus
[19:50] <Gunirus> hi
[21:31] <Zellfaze> It seems im an hour or so early