[01:58] <shirish> Ubulette: you up m8?
[01:59] <shirish> anybody else who uses Ubulette's repository ?
[02:00] <cheguevara> me
[02:01] <shirish> cheguevara: good, I've not been able to run firefox 3 after yesterday's update
[02:01] <cheguevara> hardy?
[02:01] <shirish> cheguevara: I just got the xulrunner upgraded, did you get other stuff too?
[02:01] <shirish> yup, I'm on Hardy
[02:02] <cheguevara> don't remember which updates i did
[02:02] <cheguevara> but i am fully up to date atm
[02:02] <cheguevara> ff3 works fine
[02:03] <shirish> ok cool, lemme try updating again, perhaps something I missed, if not will ping in a while
[02:04] <cheguevara> kk let me go to the shop bb in 15
[02:04] <shirish> ok cool
[02:17] <cheguevara> back
[05:09] <CaptainMorgan> anyone know how to put thunderbird's newsgroups always at the bottom? every time I add a new email account, it places it after the newsgroups area..
[05:09] <CaptainMorgan> this is the sidebar I'm referring to...
[10:18] <asac_the_2nd> [reed]: whats the difference of mozilla-central and cvs-trunk-import on hg.mozilla.org ?
[10:23] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: :)
[10:24] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: the nv thing stuff, which happened on ati as well, only happens if you aren't using EXA accelmethod
[10:25] <asac_the_2nd> armin76: right ... well i thought that only XAA is somewhat broken atm, but might be totally true that its the other way around
[10:25] <asac_the_2nd> ah :) ... now reading correctly you are saying just that :-P
[10:25] <asac_the_2nd> "aren't using EXA "
[10:25] <armin76> yeah, i didn't remember XAA, sorry :P
[10:26] <armin76> so say it in the bug, or something, please :P
[10:27] <asac_the_2nd> which bug :)
[10:27] <asac_the_2nd> sorry ... this spring week wiped out my brain
[10:27] <asac_the_2nd> as usual :)
[10:29] <armin76> the ubuntu one :P
[10:29] <armin76> bug 182038
[10:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182038
[10:42] <asac_the_2nd> thanks ... done
[10:42] <armin76> np
[11:46] <Ubulette> hi
[11:47] <armin76> yo
[11:47] <Ubulette> asac_the_2nd, bug 185178
[11:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185178 in libpng "Please sponsor libpng 1.2.24" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185178
[11:47] <Ubulette> still waiting for a sponsor
[12:11] <Ubulette> hmm, we should patch nss so nss-config also return softokn
[12:12] <Ubulette> http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/configure.in#3922
[12:13] <Ubulette> native nss lists them all, not system nss
[12:17] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: i will see who might be a good sponsor, but i think dholbach is already looking for someone
[12:17] <Ubulette> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[12:17] <asac_the_2nd> yeah ... vorlon is probably the best indeed
[12:18] <Ubulette> i've posted it 3 days ago
[12:26] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: did you contact debian maintainer?
[12:26] <Ubulette> hm, no
[12:27] <armin76> there's no debian maintainer?
[12:29] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette:  that was my suggestion a few days ago. We need to check back with them as well (unless vorlon still remembers all the details as of why joss dropped the package and why it wasn't upgraded for so long et al).
[12:31] <armin76> gee, the HP C3600 is so slow...
[12:32] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette:  dholbach@ubuntu.com ... ask him, why the sponsoring process takes so long and bring up suggestions with him if you have ideas how it can be improved.
[12:32] <asac_the_2nd> so long - for me 3 days isn't long at all
[13:04] <Ubulette> it's always the same song. i don't mind waiting if i know why i have to wait
[13:29] <Ubulette> http://ventnorsblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/gio-gee-i-dunno.html
[13:41] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: for things that go to main its usually the same reason: high load of the ones that can actually review it ... especially if the review needs investigation
[13:43] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: thats why we have this assignment process dholbach does ... if you are assigned the process is started and it will happen asap
[13:44] <asac_the_2nd> so maybe consider that assignment as an initial feedback
[13:45] <Ubulette> some packages have been assigned for about 2 months
[13:48] <asac_the_2nd> i agree that there is room for improvement. sometimes its really the fault of the assignee, but otoh that page doesn't really reflect if there are open issues that the submitter didn't tackle yet ... nor does it show things that are already uploaded to hardy and to gutsy-proposed (like the nm-applet patch)
[13:48] <asac_the_2nd> but you can be happy ... steve is a working machine
[13:51] <asac_the_2nd> he worked 24/7 in debian to get releases out for years
[14:10] <Ubulette> http://blog.pavlov.net/2008/01/24/apng/
[14:12] <asac_the_2nd> good ... lets really hope that opera and other browsers will follow and support apng ... i think the png upstream said something like: "there are better solutions on the horizon than apng, and since its not support by anything except firefox trunk they don't see a reason why to start supporting this"
[14:14] <cheguevara> great...
[14:17] <Ubulette> it's been on the horizon for years, yet there's nothing
[14:17] <Ubulette> mng is dead
[14:19] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: ok i talked abit with daniel that the sponsoring page should try harder to not give sponsorees a false impression about the time it can take until a patch receives a review/sponsorship ... so bugs that wait for a new patch of things that are already uploaded should just not  be listed there for such a long time ... hopefully this will give contributors more confidence that once you are on that list that your patch
[14:22] <Ubulette> truncated ?
[14:58] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: sorry we had a meeting ... what do you mean by truncated?
[14:58] <Ubulette> your last line ended with "that your patc"
[15:35] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: ... are on that list that your patch will be dealt with a more or less reasonably timely fashion.
[15:36] <Ubulette> ok
[15:46] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: not idea if you care, but: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3873/
[15:47] <asac_the_2nd> (maybe it was just a temporary thing though)
[15:47] <Ubulette> sofaraway.com, i'm .org
[15:48] <Ubulette> asac_the_2nd, ^^
[15:49] <Ubulette> could you bounce me those emails ?
[15:49] <asac_the_2nd> oh strange ... then either jorge or blizzard messed it up in the beginning
[15:49] <asac_the_2nd> hmm ... can i bounce in gmail? no access to my real mail reader? otherwise i can bounce them tomorrow
[15:50] <Ubulette> or forward
[15:50] <asac_the_2nd> k
[15:52] <jcastro> asac_the_2nd: what did I mess up?
[15:52] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulettes email ... he has sofaraway.org
[15:53] <asac_the_2nd> not .com ..
[15:53] <asac_the_2nd> jcastro: ^^
[15:53] <asac_the_2nd> jcastro: btw, did you find time to ask mono dev my questions?
[15:54] <jcastro> no, I haven't gotten your questions
[15:54] <jcastro> ah, I told him .org but it seems when he wrote back he put .com
[15:55] <jcastro> Ubulette: I can forward you the thread right now if you want
[15:56] <Ubulette> yes please (bounce if you can)
[15:56] <jcastro> Ubulette: asac just told me he sent it
[15:57] <jcastro> Ubulette: sorry it's weird, we're sitting next to each other and ircing and talking about the same conversation
[15:57] <Ubulette> jcastro, i've got 1 forward but the whole thread would be nice
[15:58] <jcastro> ok, doing so now
[16:00] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: i tried to forward everything ... which do you have now?
[16:02] <asac_the_2nd> sorry ...  i am not really used to this gmail interface ... its somewhat a bit annoying, but i guess thats just me
[16:02] <Ubulette> asac_the_2nd, just got what seems to be the last email from you
[16:03] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: yes ... you should have 4 mails
[16:03] <asac_the_2nd> at least i see those now forwarded here
[16:03] <asac_the_2nd> 1st. a forward of blizzards initial mail by jorge to my gmail account
[16:03] <Ubulette> jcastro, i've got one email from you too but it contains the thread. thanks.
[16:04] <asac_the_2nd> ok
[16:04] <Ubulette> you should use mutt ;)
[16:04] <asac_the_2nd> me?
[16:04] <asac_the_2nd> really funny
[16:05] <asac_the_2nd> putting salt in open wounds ... receiving no emails the whole is not what i like ... really ;)
[16:05] <asac_the_2nd> s/whole/whole week/
[16:06] <Ubulette> i meant, mutt with imap for your gmail
[16:06] <Ubulette> easy to tag threads and bounce them in no time
[16:07] <asac_the_2nd> oh ... yeah ... probably a good idea. next time!
[16:08] <asac_the_2nd> yeah ... now i know better and will probably reconsider my priorities next time.
[16:23] <Ubulette> hmm. i've moved nss and nspr to strict symbols checking. it seems nspr lpia has some symbols i386 and amd64 don't have
[16:23] <Ubulette> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11565599/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-lpia.nspr_4.7.0~cvs20080123t2100-0ubuntu1~fta1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:30] <Ubulette> oh, i see, lpia is not supported by debian
[16:34] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: lpia should just behave like i386
[16:35] <Ubulette> i know but dpkg-gensymbols doesn't read libnspr4-0d.symbols.i386 on lpia so it needs libnspr4-0d.symbols.lpia
[16:36] <asac_the_2nd> right
[16:48] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: wanna try to mail mh? and figure out if there is ground for injecting your nspr/nss  things into debian?
[16:48] <asac_the_2nd> maybe just tell him that you would like to help out with those packages and would like to use quilt, upgrade to latest branch et al.
[16:48] <asac_the_2nd> dunno if naming ubuntu is particular helpful in this case
[16:50]  * armin76 injects asac_the_2nd 
[16:50] <asac_the_2nd> armin76: wherein?
[16:51] <asac_the_2nd> indeed ... one can really drag window-taskbar entries around in hardy gnome
[16:51] <asac_the_2nd> not that bad
[16:51] <armin76> into opera :P
[16:54] <Ubulette> libsoftokn3 is a mess in debian. there's a fake /usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so.0d, the real is /usr/lib/nss/libsoftokn3.so yet moz configure wants -lsoftokn3 to work.
[16:59] <asac_the_2nd> and it doesn't?
[16:59] <asac_the_2nd> (work)
[16:59] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: ?
[16:59] <Ubulette> gcc-4.2 -shared -Wl,-soname -Wl,libssldap60.so     -o libssldap60.so ./clientinit.o ./ldapsinit.o ./errormap.o  -L/src/bzr/build-area/seamonkey-2.0-2.0~a1~cvs20080123t1257+nobinonly/dist/lib -lldap60 -lprldap60 -L/usr/lib -lssl3 -lsmime3 -lnss3 -lnssutil3 -lsoftokn3 -lssl3 -lnss3 -lsoftokn3  -L/usr/lib -lplds4 -lplc4 -lnspr4 -lpthread -ldl -lplc4 -lplds4 -lnspr4
[16:59] <Ubulette> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsoftokn3
[16:59] <Ubulette> that's seamonkey 2
[17:00] <asac_the_2nd> is the link to the .so installed by -dev package?
[17:00] <Ubulette> i just added the .so link to the fake lib but that's kind of weird
[17:00] <Ubulette> why is this lib in /usr/lib/nss in the 1st place ?
[17:00] <asac_the_2nd> like /usr/lib/libso*.so -> /usr/lib/libso*.so.0d -> /usr/lib/nss/lib...
[17:01] <Ubulette> no, mike added a fake (empty) /usr/lib/libso*.so.0d
[17:01] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: empty?
[17:01] <asac_the_2nd> are you using the real package or are you trying to build newer sources with the current packaging?
[17:02] <asac_the_2nd> $ ls -l /usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so.0d
[17:02] <asac_the_2nd> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 188388 2007-10-15 19:41 /usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so.0d
[17:02] <asac_the_2nd> thats not empty for me
[17:02] <Ubulette> which nss is that ?
[17:02] <asac_the_2nd> 7$ ls -l /usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so
[17:02] <Ubulette> nspr
[17:02] <asac_the_2nd> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-11-09 15:40 /usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so -> libsoftokn3.so.0d
[17:02] <asac_the_2nd> thats what i would expect
[17:02] <asac_the_2nd> its the one in hardy
[17:03] <asac_the_2nd> oh wait a sec
[17:04] <Ubulette>         gcc -x c -shared -Wl,-soname,libsoftokn3.so.0d -o debian/libnss3-0d/usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so.0d - < /dev/null
[17:04] <asac_the_2nd> ii  libnss3-0d                      3.12.0~cvs20071012t0909-0ubuntu Network Security Service libraries
[17:04] <asac_the_2nd> ii  libnss3-1d                      3.12.0~1.9b2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 Network Security Service libraries
[17:04] <Ubulette> this one is not from me for sure
[17:04] <asac_the_2nd> ok let me downgrade this
[17:04] <asac_the_2nd> ah now i see ... its the ~cvs issue
[17:11] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3880/
[17:11] <asac_the_2nd> looks reasonable to me
[17:11] <Ubulette> libnss yes, try libsoftokn3
[17:14] <asac_the_2nd> yes that looks different ... but the one in /usr/lib/ exists for backward compatibility in libnss3-0d ... while the one in /usr/lib/nss/ is the new upstream one and i guess that it just went there by now
[17:14] <Ubulette> then we need to patch configure in trunk
[17:15] <Ubulette> [Fri 13:12] <Ubulette> http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/configure.in#3922
[17:15] <Ubulette> [Fri 13:12] <Ubulette> native nss lists them all, not system nss
[17:15] <asac_the_2nd> which line is the issue?
[17:15] <asac_the_2nd> let me scroll back
[17:16] <Ubulette> [Fri 13:12] <Ubulette> hmm, we should patch nss so nss-config also return softokn
[17:17] <Ubulette> so i've patched nss-config but it still fails because of the missing .so symlink. i've patched that too but that's just weird
[17:17] <asac_the_2nd> why nss-config?
[17:17] <Ubulette> either softokn is in usr/lib and period, or it's in usr/lib/nss then we need to patch configure
[17:18] <Ubulette> i'm not even sure softokn is dynamicaly loeaded
[17:18] <Ubulette> loaded
[17:18] <asac_the_2nd> why does xul build?
[17:19] <Ubulette> libssldap60.so is not part of xul, just sm
[17:19] <Ubulette> and some other moz projects
[17:20] <asac_the_2nd> ah ok so its ldap that causes this?
[17:20] <Ubulette> well, ldap uses the NSS_* variables from configure, coming from nss-config
[17:20] <asac_the_2nd> let me get the nss tarball
[17:21] <asac_the_2nd> damn wifi here
[17:22] <asac_the_2nd> ok ... let me check these things out through this bad pipe
[17:25] <Ubulette> you're still in london or are you back home ?
[18:41] <asac_the_2nd> sorry ... machine crashed ... and i couldn't get it up easily
[18:41] <asac_the_2nd> now the final partry started and we do drinking beer ... will look tomorrow when getting home for this nss thing
[18:52] <Ubulette> enjoy
[18:58] <asac_the_2nd> back for a while
[18:58] <asac_the_2nd> i am too drunk already :)
[19:04] <asac_the_2nd> ok spinning mozilla trunk from a few days a go now with --with-system-{nspr,nss} ... lets see what happens.
[19:05]  * asac_the_2nd going back to drink session
[19:05] <asac_the_2nd> build --enable-application=suite
[19:22] <Ubulette> asac_the_2nd, just build https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey-2.0.dev
[19:31] <asac_the_2nd> well ...  i have just this one chance :) ... wireless sucks here ... CPU sucks ;) ... so lets see ... just checked that it really builds with MOZ_LDAP_XPCOM
[19:32] <asac_the_2nd> my system really never came back for a whole week :( ... wonder what happened. hopefully just a power outage and not a fire that burned down my house :/
[19:33] <asac_the_2nd> raji: managed to test nm 0.7?
[19:34] <raji> asac_the_2nd, I couldnt get it compiled, as I didnot find dependency libraries for lpia
[19:34] <asac_the_2nd> raji all is in the ppa
[19:35] <asac_the_2nd> you need to rebuild wpasupplicant and libnl-pre8 ... just apt-get source them and build, instlal
[19:35] <asac_the_2nd> the rest should be available in gutsy
[19:36] <asac_the_2nd> if you are using hardy you can just use the binaries in that ppa
[19:36] <raji> asac_the_2nd: I had problem with libnl, ok I tried .deb.
[19:36] <asac_the_2nd> raji: if you are on gutsy, you need to build those two
[19:36] <asac_the_2nd> damn its really emacs that makes my system choke :/
[19:37] <raji> asac_the_2nd: ok, make sense. will try that
[19:37] <asac_the_2nd> cool
[19:42] <asac_the_2nd> raji: oh ... i think wpasupplicant has #if 0'ed the adhoc code ... mmmmm
[19:44] <asac_the_2nd> raji: maybe try 0.6 nm + 0.5.x wpasupplicant with this hack: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/112009/comments/12
[19:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112009 in network-manager "NetworkManager does not set channel when creating ad-hoc network" [Undecided,In progress]
[19:45] <asac_the_2nd> raji: http://www.mail-archive.com/networkmanager-list@gnome.org/msg08043.html
[19:47] <asac_the_2nd> if you want to try nm 0.7 + wpa 0.6 ... look in mlme.c ...
[19:48] <asac_the_2nd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/3893/ ... that and other places ... appears like they felt adhoc code in supplicant was too broken to enable it
[19:48] <asac_the_2nd> maybe you can fix it
[19:49] <asac_the_2nd> raji: here is an example how to test wpasupplicant + adhoc manually
[19:49] <asac_the_2nd> http://readlist.com/lists/shmoo.com/hostap/0/4076.html
[19:50] <asac_the_2nd> they say that madwifi didn't work, but wext worked ... so if that doesn't work anymore i bet its really the #if 0'es in wpaupplicant cod
[20:13] <asac_the_2nd> Ubulette: you figured out where the -lsoftokn thing gets injected?
[20:13] <asac_the_2nd> i mean ... he nss-config installed doesn't dump it
[20:40] <Ubulette> asac_the_2nd, http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/directory/c-sdk/ldap/clients/tools/Makefile.client#134
[20:51] <asac_the_2nd> yeah ... already removed that ... anyway ... most likely too drunk :)
[20:51] <asac_the_2nd> packing my things now
[20:53] <asac_the_2nd> bye