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CarlFKhow do I figure out what package contains dig?00:56
CrummyGummyHi all, my reiserfs is borked. How do I force a fsck on boot?01:08
CrummyGummyWhich server fs do you guys use. (that is if there is anyone out there)01:33
kgoetzext301:33
CrummyGummyI'm going that way.01:34
CrummyGummyReiserfs is crap and xfs has already borked on my desktop workstation.01:34
CrummyGummyDefinitly back to old faithful01:34
kgoetzheh01:35
CrummyGummyIts almost 4 am and I'm deciding whether or not to visit the server room. I want to put it all on lvm too.01:37
* CrummyGummy is converted.01:37
* kgoetz wouldnt be making that sort of change at 4am01:37
kgoetzi'm not entirely sold on lvm01:37
CrummyGummyhehe01:38
CrummyGummykgoetz: Bad experiences?01:38
kgoetzCrummyGummy: it seems like an extra level of complexity and potential failure, for no real benefit on small servers/workstations01:38
* CrummyGummy has already slept at least 2 hours :)01:39
CrummyGummyI mainly want it so that I can make snapshots of live data like mysql, save on a few mornings like this.01:40
kgoetzmmm. i'd just use mysqls dump tool for that01:41
kgoetzbut i get the 'like' bit too01:41
CrummyGummyIt locks tables.01:41
CrummyGummyhehe01:41
CrummyGummyHave you tried evms?01:42
kgoetznope01:43
CrummyGummyanother level of complexity...01:45
kgoetzhehe01:45
cybermadi want to move all of company documents that shared with Microsoft Windows 2003 Server to linux invorenment, does Ubuntu Server with SAMBA is the best choice? or should i choose like FreeNAS or OpenFiler ?03:28
`6ogcybermad, depends how the files are shared05:12
cybermad`6og what do you mean?05:28
`6ogcybermad, depends how people expect to access the files. if its just as a shared drive, samba will probably be fine05:29
cybermadjust shared drive, maybe later i will improve it, so can access the files from FTP or Web05:31
cybermaddoes SAMBA support inherintance permission?05:32
`6ogdont know05:32
`6ogftp is not an improved method to access it, btw05:32
cybermadsorry, i mean just give addtional feature to access the files05:34
cybermadmy last question, you answer don't know? sorry..05:34
kgoetzre permissions? no i dont know05:49
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AMDboxServer Installation - hangs after hostname - Dell PowerEdge R20006:27
kgoetzafter hostname?06:27
AMDboxafter inputing hostname06:27
kgoetzwhich installer are you using?06:27
AMDbox6.06 dapper server06:27
kgoetztry pressing alt+f4 and look at the information on the console06:29
AMDboxon the hang screen?06:30
kgoetzyes06:30
AMDboxok, let me try that. thanks06:30
mikubuntuhey guys.  i bought a couple of old dell optiplex boxes, hoping one will do as local server to start building a site with magento.  can anyone tell me if there is any one particular operating system that works well with magento?  i'm thinking of downloading ubuntu server, is this a good choice?06:32
kgoetznever heard of magento before06:33
mikubuntui guess it is fairly new ecommerce solution, but the foundation 'sounds' good, according to community06:34
AMDboxkgoetz, the msg i got is "no volume group found"06:35
AMDboxi guess i will have find a way to setup the hdd first06:35
kgoetzmikubuntu: you might have to ask teh community what they recomend06:35
mikubuntui've never worked with any server, or any ecommerce, so i'm jumping off a cliff pretty much06:35
AMDboxmikubuntu, try OScommerce06:36
mikubuntucan you recommend another ecommerce open source that works well with ubuntu server?  downloading 6.06 now06:36
AMDboxOScommerce on 6.06. tested06:37
mikubuntuthere is no reason why i couldn't try more than one on the same server is there?06:37
mikubuntuAMDbox: ahhhhh....06:37
mikubuntuso i should definitely try oscommerce then06:38
mikubuntubut, about my question, is there any reason i couldn't try several on the same server?  what other besides oscommerce might you recommend?06:39
kgoetzdepends how they run, but you should be able to run several06:40
mikubuntujust to see what works well with my limited gray cells06:41
mikubuntusince the lobotomy, everythings a mission, y'know06:41
mikubuntuoh, my.  download complete.  must burn. brb.06:43
mikubuntuok, nother question.  since 606 has been around quite awhile, are there likely to be lots of updates if i connect that box online, or is it pretty much stable?  just wondering cause  spacewise i can get the machine close enough to my ethernet right now... is this critical?07:09
kgoetzmikubuntu: did you download in hte last week? you should have 6.06.2, which is up to date as of a month ago07:10
mikubuntujust downloaded tonite from ubuntu.com, server edition, alt install.07:10
kgoetzshould be .207:11
mikubuntu433.9 mb07:11
mikubuntuok, ya, lookd on download mgr, is .207:12
kgoetz:)07:12
mikubuntuso i'm all up to date for the moment?  i'll have to reaarange the desk to get that box online in a few days.07:15
mikubuntudamn, except that i've got to get the ecomms on there ...07:16
mikubuntucan oscommerce be burned to disk and introduced that way?07:16
kgoetzbasically up to date07:16
mikubuntuor do i have to net download it directly to box?07:17
kgoetznet would be eaiser (for dependancies)07:17
mikubuntudang it07:18
mikubuntuoh, well, i go install 606 anyways for now.   thanks a lot for your help.07:18
kgoetznp.07:19
mikubuntuback again.  do i want to 'install to the hard disk'? or 'install lamp server'?  i thought ubuntu server WAS lamp?07:22
kgoetzlamp probably07:23
kgoetzthe server has other options too07:23
mikubuntuhmmmm.  but lamp is what i want for oscommerce you think?07:23
_rubenubuntu servers dont necesarily have lamp stuff .. like when you want it as a dns server, you dont need lamp stuff07:24
_rubenoscommerce sounds lamp'ish07:24
mikubuntudns, means like domain name server?  so for like actually serving to the internet, as opposed to just building a site locally that i will upload to commercial host later?07:25
kgoetzno, not exactly07:26
mikubuntu:(07:26
* mikubuntu began to sweat like a working girl in church07:27
* kgoetz doesnt get the metaphore, but reminds mikubuntu about teh !CoC if required07:28
mikubuntuall right, i guess i go lamp for now.  got 4 more boxes if this not be the right one for the job.07:29
mikubuntukgoetz: do i want to use LVM?  or just guided install entire disk?07:36
kgoetzmikubuntu: just used guided entire disk07:36
mikubuntuk, thanks07:36
kgoetznp07:37
krautmoin07:49
kgoetzello07:50
mikubuntuomg.  i got lots to learn.  i know how to use 'n' and the 'spacebar' now tho.  lol. cya guys.08:11
sorensommer: Er.. no. You might be interested in virsh? it's in libvirt-bin.09:04
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AMDbox2hello, installation hang, 6.06 dapper server, hangs after inputing hostname, - error msg - " no volume group found"09:20
AMDbox2hardware - Dell PowerEdge R200 - Xeon X3220, 4 GB Ram, 160 HDD x2(SATA).09:21
AMDbox2anyone?09:30
avatar_maybe the sata controller isnt recognized by the installer?09:32
_rubenAMDbox2: 6.06 or 6.06.2 ?09:33
AMDbox2i try both09:39
AMDbox26.06.1 and 6.06.209:39
avatar_AMDbox2: my guess is that the sata controller isnt supported by the kernel in 6.06. Can you try it with a Gutsy server install cd?09:39
avatar_see http://www.clarkconnect.com/forums/showflat.php?Number=10339009:39
AMDbox2ok, thanks, let me try09:40
AMDbox2check with you guys, ubuntu-6.06.2-amd64.iso vs ubuntu-6.06.2-server-i386.iso09:50
AMDbox2for Xeon Quad-core,09:50
AMDbox2both will work?09:50
GargoyleGood morning freenoders10:14
_rubenmorning10:15
zulmorning11:52
_rubeng'day12:10
mok0soren: ping13:29
mok0hi jelka13:30
sorenmok0: Yes?13:34
mok0soren, I just want to ask you about kvm13:34
sorenShoot13:34
mok0Although we can now start several virtual machines, we can only access one machine at a time13:35
mok0soren: when one machine f.ex. answers ping, the others are just waiting13:36
mok0soren: if the blocked machine wakes up, the first one is then blocked13:36
sorenYou're still running on gutsy?13:37
mok0soren: yes, but we have kvm 59 installed13:37
sorenOh, ok.13:37
sorenNew kernel modules as well?13:37
soren..or the ones from 2.6.22?13:38
mok0jelka: ?13:38
mok0soren: jelka will answer13:38
sorenif you don't know, then you're using the ones from 2.6.22 :)13:38
jelkayes, new modules as well13:38
sorenYou're sure? dmesg says that it's version 59?13:39
sorenor is it just silent?13:39
* soren -> coffee brb13:39
mok0soren: it is version 5913:39
sorenOk, great.13:41
* mok0 grabs a cup coffee13:41
mok0soren: looking at dmesg output, it seems the tap ports are entering and leaving listening state13:42
sorenAre they running vnc or -nographic?13:42
sorenmok0: Oh. Erm...13:42
sorenThat's odd. Can I see?13:42
mok0soren: I'll pastebin it13:43
sorenmkay13:43
mok0soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3865/13:44
mok0soren: this is a section where we were running with 2 vm's13:45
sorenInteresting. Let me check something.13:46
sorenYou're running this at the university, right?13:47
mok0soren: yes13:47
mok0soren: please let me know if you don't have time for this "consulting" work, it's only in case you can learn something that you should spend time on it13:48
sorenmok0: Oh, this is very useful. No worries!13:48
sorenmok0: Could you toss me the output of "sudo brctl showstp <name of your bridge interface>"?13:49
mok0soren: ok good, I just dont want to abuse your friendliness13:49
mok0soren, http://paste.ubuntu.com/3866/13:50
sorenmok0: I wonder what this looks like from the client's perspective. Anything interesting in its dmesg?13:52
* mok0 looks13:53
* mok0 is in the vm now13:54
mok0soren, Ubuntu Pastebin <http://paste.ubuntu.com/3867/>13:56
mok0soren: the dmesg from one guest13:56
sorenThat was remarkably uninteresting.13:58
mok0soren: yeah there is nothing really unusual in there for my eyes13:59
mok0But something is making the two servers step on each others toes when communicating with the network14:00
sorenYeah.. STP madness, it seems.14:00
mok0soren: perhaps it is some timer issue? perhaps we can set some parameters?14:01
sorenNo, I think it's purely a networking (stp) related problem.14:01
mok0soren: what is stp, exactly?14:01
avatar_spanning tree protocol14:02
sorenYeah.14:02
avatar_preventing loops on your network14:02
mok0soren: we tried setting "bridge_stp on" on the host, but it did not make a difference14:02
sorenmok0: I'm not all the experienced with stp, unfortunately.14:03
sorenI know that disabling it altogether might fix it, but could potentially cause other problems.14:03
mok0soren: we don't have other bridges on the network14:03
sorenYou could try... :) brctl stp <bridge name> off14:03
sorenmok0: Sure?14:03
mok0soren: not entirely :-)14:04
mok0soren: a great time to kill the network, here friday at 15:04, don't you think :-)14:05
mok0soren: it didn't change anything14:06
mok0only one machine at the time will answer the ping14:06
mok0they take turns every 30-60 seconds or so14:07
sorenThis is very interesting indeed.14:08
sorenI've not heard of or seen this before.14:08
sorenWhat does the host dmesg say now?14:09
mok0soren: The installation is gutsy, with a hardy kvm + module. Could be a strange interaction with the kernel?14:09
sorenI doubt it.14:09
mok0soren: I will pastebin the last few minutes of dmesg14:09
sorencool.14:11
mok0soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3869/14:12
mok0soren, the first couple of lines overlap with the first part http://paste.ubuntu.com/386514:12
sorenRight.14:12
sorenCan I see brctl show?14:13
mok0Ubuntu Pastebin <http://paste.ubuntu.com/3870/>14:14
zulivoks: crud i forgot what I was going to ask15:05
ivokshi15:05
ivoksdrbd?15:05
ivokszul: think hard :)15:07
zulivoks: does the patch you sent me work?15:07
zulie the kernel has been rebuilt and tested?15:08
ivokszul: no, that patch was generated by drbd it self15:08
ivokszul: i didn't test it on hardy yet15:09
zulif possible can you?15:09
ivoksbut i can :)15:09
ivoksconsider it done15:09
zulthank you15:09
ivokszul: there's drbd8-source package in hardy15:10
zulill generate a generic flavour linux-ubuntu-modules for you soon15:10
ivokszul: it creates drbd8 module which should work (it works in previous versions of ubuntu), but i'll test it15:10
sorenmok0: Sorry, suddenly had a meeting pop up.15:10
mok0soren: np15:11
sorenmok0: Erm.. Well, it sure would be cool if you were running hardy so that we could rule out kernel stuff, libvirt, etc..15:11
mok0soren: I can do that on another host15:12
mok0soren: Just setting up my new quad core with hardy :-P15:13
mok0still a bit rough around the edges15:14
sorenmok0: That's the way I like it.15:23
sorenmok0: It's tough love.15:23
mok0soren: Yeah, hardy's a touch bitch15:24
mok0s/touch/tough15:24
krielI've been working with ubuntu-server 7.10, and been having some problems. It seems (from reading the forums, among other things) that the ubuntu-server disk dosen't like sony disk drives. However, the two moderately functional CDROM's I have in my apartment are both made by sony. Any suggestions?15:25
sorenmok0: :)15:27
sorenkriel: What are "some problems"?15:27
krielsoren: namely, that when it goes to detect CD-rom's, it finds none. (regardless of the fact that it booted off the dang thing.) There are also some errors when it first boots, but it manages to work past those into the install. Digging through my CD stack for the server CD to reproduce those.15:28
sorenkriel: You claim this is an issue with the server cd only?15:30
krielmain menu > 'install to hard disk' > ata1.00: cmd c8/00:08:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 4096 in15:30
krielata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen15:31
krielyup. It also happens when I use the 'check cd for errors' option. I know it's only with server, because I've installed ubuntu desktop to this machine before.15:31
krielthis http://www.perry-nelson.com/blog/2007/10/21/gutsy-gibbon-live-cd-boot-problem/ blog has some info on it, starting especially with #615:35
Gamekillerany server support guys here the main channel is to fast for me15:59
zulyes15:59
Gamekilleri am very worried that i have somthing very wrong with my LAMP server16:00
zulGamekiller: just ask your question16:00
Gamekillerat ssh or local screen16:00
Gamekillerthe interface works very slow16:00
Gamekillerand at the local level all the text out put is in caps and what it type is in cap but it dose not go to the system in caps16:00
Gamekilleri remeber 8 years ago that being a rootkit hack tell tail16:01
Gamekillertop shows nothing running on the cpu16:01
sorenGamekiller: What's your username on the machine? (Upper/lower-case is important)16:02
Gamekilleri have what is called Moodle running on the server it is a CMS but is stands for Classroom Managment System16:02
Gamekillerlower case16:02
Gamekillerand it take it as the upcase that i see16:02
Gamekillerthe only port that go public is the 80 the rest is behind my firewall in the dmz16:03
sorenIf you use uppercase at login, your console will assume that your terminal only supports uppercase characters.16:03
sorenthe logs will be fine, though.16:03
Gamekilleri had this on my othere server that runs nogios and zenoss and it was going the same now it reverted back it just odd and hte repose time on all termninal ssh or local is super slow very little load and this is a dual zeon 2.8 or so with 2 gigs or ram16:04
Gamekillerof*16:04
Gamekillerright now i not so worried about the client speed as it only on a bounded T1 but next month it will go to a DS3 and i need it to work full tilt as it host media files for the classes on it16:05
Gamekillerwould mysql make a differnance16:06
Gamekilleralso i see mysql-safe that bad right16:06
sorenNo, mysqld_safe is fine.16:08
Gamekilleri wonder if i need to run something to clean the db up a bit16:08
sorenCould you try running "pidof pidof", wait a few seconds, and then the same command again?16:09
oly-if you connect to your database using mysql-admin it prints a little graph showing if your db is under any strain, might be worth a try16:09
Gamekillerdo i just log in or is there a command for the graph16:10
spiekeymaybe someone can help me with my Samba-LDAP domain controller problem here?!16:10
oly-its a gui program that connects to mysql16:10
spiekeyAfter producing a power supply failure (stopping my Ubuntu and windows client by the stop button in vmware) and starting them up again i can see a delta in my ldap database.16:10
spiekeythe uidNumber, sambaSID, sambaPwdChange, sambaNTPassword and samabaPwdLastSet get changed after that power failure and i dont know why.16:10
Gamekilleroly-:  what plateforms dose that support16:11
Gamekillerthat form the mysql site right16:11
oly-most platforms and yes the mysql site, there is also mysql-querey-browser for modifying the data16:11
oly-but soren knows his stuff better than me :)16:11
Gamekilleryah now i remeber that was on my old desktop and when i had tiger i need to down load that for my lepard build of osx ok16:13
Gamekillerbtw is this ok to have for mem load got this from proc meminfo MemTotal:      2075904 kB16:13
GamekillerMemFree:        959612 kB16:13
oly-i know mysql also has a slow query log but not sure its located of top of my head :p16:14
Gamekillerok16:14
Gamekillerthat site i have has query timeing on it16:14
Gamekillerand it get it stuff pretty fast16:14
Gamekillerwhen is the next big release going to happen any clue16:15
oly-could look on the moodle site for performance problems16:15
Gamekilleryah i going to do that next the forums are just full of noob admins that remote host the site16:15
Gamekillerso sometimes it hard to get good sysadmin support16:16
oly-true, i used to use moodle ages ago on a ubuntu server but never had any performance problems, but it was used on an internal lan as well16:16
sorenGamekiller: Next release of what?16:17
sorenGamekiller: Ubuntu?16:17
Gamekilleryes16:17
sorenApril 24th.16:17
sorenDid you run those commands?16:17
soren17:09:00 < soren> Could you try running "pidof pidof", wait a few seconds, and then the same command again?16:18
Gamekillergoing to now for mysql dling the client16:18
sorenEr... Don't bother.16:18
sorenGamekiller: You said "nothings' running on the cpu".16:19
sorenGamekiller: Unless you left out "except for mysql" ?16:19
Gamekillerwhat do you mean16:19
sorenYou said "nothing is running on the cpu", right?16:19
Gamekillersee it was working fine for a long time16:19
Gamekillerwell from top yah16:19
soren17:01:55 < ~Gamekiller> top shows nothing running on the cpu16:19
sorenGood.16:19
coNP[uni]Good afternoon!16:20
sorenhey16:20
coNP[uni]Does anyone know if Gutsy slapd supports SSL (and why does it not :)?16:20
sorenGamekiller: Then there's not much point in checking if mysql is causing a lot of load.16:20
Gamekillerok16:20
sorenGamekiller: Did you run the commands I told you?16:20
Gamekillersoren:  witch ?16:21
Gamekillerone16:21
soren17:09:00 < soren> Could you try running "pidof pidof", wait a few seconds, and then the same command again?16:22
Gamekillerok16:23
Gamekillerdone16:24
Gamekiller12645 and incroment each time i run this16:26
Gamekillersoren:  the above line is what i got on the output16:40
sorenOk.16:46
rotinihello all.  are scsi-connected tape drives just treated like hard drives?  can I do mkfs.ext3 /dev/whatever?  Or should I be thinking about it in a different way?16:46
sorenno16:46
sorenYou don't want to put a file system on a tape.16:47
Gamekillersoren:  what dose that command do just so i know16:47
sorenGamekiller: If you had something fork()ing like mad, that number would increase by a *lot* more than 1 each time.16:47
Gamekillerrotini:  i have not tired but most admins i talk to use amanda for tape drive not sure ubuntu supports it16:47
Gamekillerok good to know16:47
rotiniGamekiller: yeah, I've seen that app mentioned once or twice.  I'll check it out16:48
Gamekillermy brother inlaw uses it at Fatsmanual where he works as a DBA16:50
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Goosemoose2does anyone know if the new module to connect ubuntu to an AD server via hardy is ready17:21
mathiazGoosemoose2: not yet - it may be uploaded next week17:24
todd_anyone here running ubuntu server 64-bit on AMD64? If so.. are there any issues I should be aware of?18:31
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nijabatodd_: I am and don't have any issue18:40
todd_nijaba, excellent. are you using cool'n'quiet??18:48
nijabatodd_: nope18:49
todd_nijaba, oh, ok. mine is just going to be a small, personal web server... so... I think I'll run it just to save power a little.18:50
nijabatodd_: yep, that should be fine18:51
todd_nijaba, thanks for your help. I can't wait to get this thing rolling out. Have a good deay.18:53
todd_*day18:53
nijabayou too18:53
rotiniso, with backup tapes, it doesn't have a directory structure like a disk?  I'm looking at how to back up to one, and it makes me think that I can put only one big .tar on the tape at one time.  Anyone up on this stuff?19:30
sommerrotini: you should just be able to send the files to tape using tar19:36
sommerrotini: tar czvf /dev/st0 /etc19:36
sommerfor example, should put the /etc/ directory on the tape19:36
sommerI think you may be wanting to use the file system utilities to manipulate the tape, but I don't think it works that way19:37
rotinisommer: yeah, i've just read a little more about it.  Still a bit different than what I'm used to (hard drives).19:43
sommeryep, once you get the utilities down it's really not too big an issue19:44
sommerthe big one is tar, or whatever archive utility, and the command to rewind the tape19:45
sommerI forget that one though19:45
rotinimt -f /dev/whatever rewind19:46
sommerboom19:46
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qmanI was wondering, does anyone know which ports apache uses when sending pages back? I want to limit the bandwidth it uses with tc, and if that's configurable, it would be easiest20:37
ivoks80?20:37
qmannot the listen port, the ports it sends the data on, like when you download images on a web page20:38
ivokswell, it's communication in both directions20:38
ivoksit's 8020:38
qmanthen how does it handle multiple simultaneous connections? I thought 80 was just for the requests20:39
qmanif so, that's easy20:39
ivoksone could write a encyclopedia about how does apache handle multiple connections :)20:40
Weasel[DK]80 is for listen port (server)  and clients are > 102420:40
qmanhehe20:40
ivoksfor start, there are couple of different mpms20:40
ivokseach of them works different20:40
ivoksbottom line, it's 80 :)20:41
qmanIt's just, I know how ftp works20:41
qmanand ftp needs both 21 to connect on, and a high port range to communicate with20:41
ivoksqman: not higher, but 2020:41
qmanI thought apache worked similarly, but couldn't find any info on which port range it uses20:41
ivoks20 is for data, 21 for communication20:42
qmanyeah, but passive ftp also requires a high port range20:42
Weasel[DK]use tcpdump. and you will see20:43
qmangood idea20:43
qmanoh boy, too much garbage, time for wireshark20:45
ivokstcpdump src your_webserver20:45
Weasel[DK]tcpdump -nn src your_webserve20:46
qmanhuh, it does run on one port20:47
qmanmy server is https, and everything is coming back from 44320:47
qmanthanks for the help20:48
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