[00:56] <CarlFK> how do I figure out what package contains dig?
[01:08] <CrummyGummy> Hi all, my reiserfs is borked. How do I force a fsck on boot?
[01:33] <CrummyGummy> Which server fs do you guys use. (that is if there is anyone out there)
[01:33] <kgoetz> ext3
[01:34] <CrummyGummy> I'm going that way.
[01:34] <CrummyGummy> Reiserfs is crap and xfs has already borked on my desktop workstation.
[01:34] <CrummyGummy> Definitly back to old faithful
[01:35] <kgoetz> heh
[01:37] <CrummyGummy> Its almost 4 am and I'm deciding whether or not to visit the server room. I want to put it all on lvm too.
[01:37]  * CrummyGummy is converted.
[01:37]  * kgoetz wouldnt be making that sort of change at 4am
[01:37] <kgoetz> i'm not entirely sold on lvm
[01:38] <CrummyGummy> hehe
[01:38] <CrummyGummy> kgoetz: Bad experiences?
[01:38] <kgoetz> CrummyGummy: it seems like an extra level of complexity and potential failure, for no real benefit on small servers/workstations
[01:39]  * CrummyGummy has already slept at least 2 hours :)
[01:40] <CrummyGummy> I mainly want it so that I can make snapshots of live data like mysql, save on a few mornings like this.
[01:41] <kgoetz> mmm. i'd just use mysqls dump tool for that
[01:41] <kgoetz> but i get the 'like' bit too
[01:41] <CrummyGummy> It locks tables.
[01:41] <CrummyGummy> hehe
[01:42] <CrummyGummy> Have you tried evms?
[01:43] <kgoetz> nope
[01:45] <CrummyGummy> another level of complexity...
[01:45] <kgoetz> hehe
[03:28] <cybermad> i want to move all of company documents that shared with Microsoft Windows 2003 Server to linux invorenment, does Ubuntu Server with SAMBA is the best choice? or should i choose like FreeNAS or OpenFiler ?
[05:12] <`6og> cybermad, depends how the files are shared
[05:28] <cybermad> `6og what do you mean?
[05:29] <`6og> cybermad, depends how people expect to access the files. if its just as a shared drive, samba will probably be fine
[05:31] <cybermad> just shared drive, maybe later i will improve it, so can access the files from FTP or Web
[05:32] <cybermad> does SAMBA support inherintance permission?
[05:32] <`6og> dont know
[05:32] <`6og> ftp is not an improved method to access it, btw
[05:34] <cybermad> sorry, i mean just give addtional feature to access the files
[05:34] <cybermad> my last question, you answer don't know? sorry..
[05:49] <kgoetz> re permissions? no i dont know
[06:27] <AMDbox> Server Installation - hangs after hostname - Dell PowerEdge R200
[06:27] <kgoetz> after hostname?
[06:27] <AMDbox> after inputing hostname
[06:27] <kgoetz> which installer are you using?
[06:27] <AMDbox> 6.06 dapper server
[06:29] <kgoetz> try pressing alt+f4 and look at the information on the console
[06:30] <AMDbox> on the hang screen?
[06:30] <kgoetz> yes
[06:30] <AMDbox> ok, let me try that. thanks
[06:32] <mikubuntu> hey guys.  i bought a couple of old dell optiplex boxes, hoping one will do as local server to start building a site with magento.  can anyone tell me if there is any one particular operating system that works well with magento?  i'm thinking of downloading ubuntu server, is this a good choice?
[06:33] <kgoetz> never heard of magento before
[06:34] <mikubuntu> i guess it is fairly new ecommerce solution, but the foundation 'sounds' good, according to community
[06:35] <AMDbox> kgoetz, the msg i got is "no volume group found"
[06:35] <AMDbox> i guess i will have find a way to setup the hdd first
[06:35] <kgoetz> mikubuntu: you might have to ask teh community what they recomend
[06:35] <mikubuntu> i've never worked with any server, or any ecommerce, so i'm jumping off a cliff pretty much
[06:36] <AMDbox> mikubuntu, try OScommerce
[06:36] <mikubuntu> can you recommend another ecommerce open source that works well with ubuntu server?  downloading 6.06 now
[06:37] <AMDbox> OScommerce on 6.06. tested
[06:37] <mikubuntu> there is no reason why i couldn't try more than one on the same server is there?
[06:37] <mikubuntu> AMDbox: ahhhhh....
[06:38] <mikubuntu> so i should definitely try oscommerce then
[06:39] <mikubuntu> but, about my question, is there any reason i couldn't try several on the same server?  what other besides oscommerce might you recommend?
[06:40] <kgoetz> depends how they run, but you should be able to run several
[06:41] <mikubuntu> just to see what works well with my limited gray cells
[06:41] <mikubuntu> since the lobotomy, everythings a mission, y'know
[06:43] <mikubuntu> oh, my.  download complete.  must burn. brb.
[07:09] <mikubuntu> ok, nother question.  since 606 has been around quite awhile, are there likely to be lots of updates if i connect that box online, or is it pretty much stable?  just wondering cause  spacewise i can get the machine close enough to my ethernet right now... is this critical?
[07:10] <kgoetz> mikubuntu: did you download in hte last week? you should have 6.06.2, which is up to date as of a month ago
[07:10] <mikubuntu> just downloaded tonite from ubuntu.com, server edition, alt install.
[07:11] <kgoetz> should be .2
[07:11] <mikubuntu> 433.9 mb
[07:12] <mikubuntu> ok, ya, lookd on download mgr, is .2
[07:12] <kgoetz> :)
[07:15] <mikubuntu> so i'm all up to date for the moment?  i'll have to reaarange the desk to get that box online in a few days.
[07:16] <mikubuntu> damn, except that i've got to get the ecomms on there ...
[07:16] <mikubuntu> can oscommerce be burned to disk and introduced that way?
[07:16] <kgoetz> basically up to date
[07:17] <mikubuntu> or do i have to net download it directly to box?
[07:17] <kgoetz> net would be eaiser (for dependancies)
[07:18] <mikubuntu> dang it
[07:18] <mikubuntu> oh, well, i go install 606 anyways for now.   thanks a lot for your help.
[07:19] <kgoetz> np.
[07:22] <mikubuntu> back again.  do i want to 'install to the hard disk'? or 'install lamp server'?  i thought ubuntu server WAS lamp?
[07:23] <kgoetz> lamp probably
[07:23] <kgoetz> the server has other options too
[07:23] <mikubuntu> hmmmm.  but lamp is what i want for oscommerce you think?
[07:24] <_ruben> ubuntu servers dont necesarily have lamp stuff .. like when you want it as a dns server, you dont need lamp stuff
[07:24] <_ruben> oscommerce sounds lamp'ish
[07:25] <mikubuntu> dns, means like domain name server?  so for like actually serving to the internet, as opposed to just building a site locally that i will upload to commercial host later?
[07:26] <kgoetz> no, not exactly
[07:26] <mikubuntu> :(
[07:27]  * mikubuntu began to sweat like a working girl in church
[07:28]  * kgoetz doesnt get the metaphore, but reminds mikubuntu about teh !CoC if required
[07:29] <mikubuntu> all right, i guess i go lamp for now.  got 4 more boxes if this not be the right one for the job.
[07:36] <mikubuntu> kgoetz: do i want to use LVM?  or just guided install entire disk?
[07:36] <kgoetz> mikubuntu: just used guided entire disk
[07:36] <mikubuntu> k, thanks
[07:37] <kgoetz> np
[07:49] <kraut> moin
[07:50] <kgoetz> ello
[08:11] <mikubuntu> omg.  i got lots to learn.  i know how to use 'n' and the 'spacebar' now tho.  lol. cya guys.
[09:04] <soren> sommer: Er.. no. You might be interested in virsh? it's in libvirt-bin.
[09:20] <AMDbox2> hello, installation hang, 6.06 dapper server, hangs after inputing hostname, - error msg - " no volume group found"
[09:21] <AMDbox2> hardware - Dell PowerEdge R200 - Xeon X3220, 4 GB Ram, 160 HDD x2(SATA).
[09:30] <AMDbox2> anyone?
[09:32] <avatar_> maybe the sata controller isnt recognized by the installer?
[09:33] <_ruben> AMDbox2: 6.06 or 6.06.2 ?
[09:39] <AMDbox2> i try both
[09:39] <AMDbox2> 6.06.1 and 6.06.2
[09:39] <avatar_> AMDbox2: my guess is that the sata controller isnt supported by the kernel in 6.06. Can you try it with a Gutsy server install cd?
[09:39] <avatar_> see http://www.clarkconnect.com/forums/showflat.php?Number=103390
[09:40] <AMDbox2> ok, thanks, let me try
[09:50] <AMDbox2> check with you guys, ubuntu-6.06.2-amd64.iso vs ubuntu-6.06.2-server-i386.iso
[09:50] <AMDbox2> for Xeon Quad-core,
[09:50] <AMDbox2> both will work?
[10:14] <Gargoyle> Good morning freenoders
[10:15] <_ruben> morning
[11:52] <zul> morning
[12:10] <_ruben> g'day
[13:29] <mok0> soren: ping
[13:30] <mok0> hi jelka
[13:34] <soren> mok0: Yes?
[13:34] <mok0> soren, I just want to ask you about kvm
[13:34] <soren> Shoot
[13:35] <mok0> Although we can now start several virtual machines, we can only access one machine at a time
[13:36] <mok0> soren: when one machine f.ex. answers ping, the others are just waiting
[13:36] <mok0> soren: if the blocked machine wakes up, the first one is then blocked
[13:37] <soren> You're still running on gutsy?
[13:37] <mok0> soren: yes, but we have kvm 59 installed
[13:37] <soren> Oh, ok.
[13:37] <soren> New kernel modules as well?
[13:38] <soren> ..or the ones from 2.6.22?
[13:38] <mok0> jelka: ?
[13:38] <mok0> soren: jelka will answer
[13:38] <soren> if you don't know, then you're using the ones from 2.6.22 :)
[13:38] <jelka> yes, new modules as well
[13:39] <soren> You're sure? dmesg says that it's version 59?
[13:39] <soren> or is it just silent?
[13:39]  * soren -> coffee brb
[13:39] <mok0> soren: it is version 59
[13:41] <soren> Ok, great.
[13:41]  * mok0 grabs a cup coffee
[13:42] <mok0> soren: looking at dmesg output, it seems the tap ports are entering and leaving listening state
[13:42] <soren> Are they running vnc or -nographic?
[13:42] <soren> mok0: Oh. Erm...
[13:42] <soren> That's odd. Can I see?
[13:43] <mok0> soren: I'll pastebin it
[13:43] <soren> mkay
[13:44] <mok0> soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3865/
[13:45] <mok0> soren: this is a section where we were running with 2 vm's
[13:46] <soren> Interesting. Let me check something.
[13:47] <soren> You're running this at the university, right?
[13:47] <mok0> soren: yes
[13:48] <mok0> soren: please let me know if you don't have time for this "consulting" work, it's only in case you can learn something that you should spend time on it
[13:48] <soren> mok0: Oh, this is very useful. No worries!
[13:49] <soren> mok0: Could you toss me the output of "sudo brctl showstp <name of your bridge interface>"?
[13:49] <mok0> soren: ok good, I just dont want to abuse your friendliness
[13:50] <mok0> soren, http://paste.ubuntu.com/3866/
[13:52] <soren> mok0: I wonder what this looks like from the client's perspective. Anything interesting in its dmesg?
[13:53]  * mok0 looks
[13:54]  * mok0 is in the vm now
[13:56] <mok0> soren, Ubuntu Pastebin <http://paste.ubuntu.com/3867/>
[13:56] <mok0> soren: the dmesg from one guest
[13:58] <soren> That was remarkably uninteresting.
[13:59] <mok0> soren: yeah there is nothing really unusual in there for my eyes
[14:00] <mok0> But something is making the two servers step on each others toes when communicating with the network
[14:00] <soren> Yeah.. STP madness, it seems.
[14:01] <mok0> soren: perhaps it is some timer issue? perhaps we can set some parameters?
[14:01] <soren> No, I think it's purely a networking (stp) related problem.
[14:01] <mok0> soren: what is stp, exactly?
[14:02] <avatar_> spanning tree protocol
[14:02] <soren> Yeah.
[14:02] <avatar_> preventing loops on your network
[14:02] <mok0> soren: we tried setting "bridge_stp on" on the host, but it did not make a difference
[14:03] <soren> mok0: I'm not all the experienced with stp, unfortunately.
[14:03] <soren> I know that disabling it altogether might fix it, but could potentially cause other problems.
[14:03] <mok0> soren: we don't have other bridges on the network
[14:03] <soren> You could try... :) brctl stp <bridge name> off
[14:03] <soren> mok0: Sure?
[14:04] <mok0> soren: not entirely :-)
[14:05] <mok0> soren: a great time to kill the network, here friday at 15:04, don't you think :-)
[14:06] <mok0> soren: it didn't change anything
[14:06] <mok0> only one machine at the time will answer the ping
[14:07] <mok0> they take turns every 30-60 seconds or so
[14:08] <soren> This is very interesting indeed.
[14:08] <soren> I've not heard of or seen this before.
[14:09] <soren> What does the host dmesg say now?
[14:09] <mok0> soren: The installation is gutsy, with a hardy kvm + module. Could be a strange interaction with the kernel?
[14:09] <soren> I doubt it.
[14:09] <mok0> soren: I will pastebin the last few minutes of dmesg
[14:11] <soren> cool.
[14:12] <mok0> soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3869/
[14:12] <mok0> soren, the first couple of lines overlap with the first part http://paste.ubuntu.com/3865
[14:12] <soren> Right.
[14:13] <soren> Can I see brctl show?
[14:14] <mok0> Ubuntu Pastebin <http://paste.ubuntu.com/3870/>
[15:05] <zul> ivoks: crud i forgot what I was going to ask
[15:05] <ivoks> hi
[15:05] <ivoks> drbd?
[15:07] <ivoks> zul: think hard :)
[15:07] <zul> ivoks: does the patch you sent me work?
[15:08] <zul> ie the kernel has been rebuilt and tested?
[15:08] <ivoks> zul: no, that patch was generated by drbd it self
[15:09] <ivoks> zul: i didn't test it on hardy yet
[15:09] <zul> if possible can you?
[15:09] <ivoks> but i can :)
[15:09] <ivoks> consider it done
[15:09] <zul> thank you
[15:10] <ivoks> zul: there's drbd8-source package in hardy
[15:10] <zul> ill generate a generic flavour linux-ubuntu-modules for you soon
[15:10] <ivoks> zul: it creates drbd8 module which should work (it works in previous versions of ubuntu), but i'll test it
[15:10] <soren> mok0: Sorry, suddenly had a meeting pop up.
[15:11] <mok0> soren: np
[15:11] <soren> mok0: Erm.. Well, it sure would be cool if you were running hardy so that we could rule out kernel stuff, libvirt, etc..
[15:12] <mok0> soren: I can do that on another host
[15:13] <mok0> soren: Just setting up my new quad core with hardy :-P
[15:14] <mok0> still a bit rough around the edges
[15:23] <soren> mok0: That's the way I like it.
[15:23] <soren> mok0: It's tough love.
[15:24] <mok0> soren: Yeah, hardy's a touch bitch
[15:24] <mok0> s/touch/tough
[15:25] <kriel> I've been working with ubuntu-server 7.10, and been having some problems. It seems (from reading the forums, among other things) that the ubuntu-server disk dosen't like sony disk drives. However, the two moderately functional CDROM's I have in my apartment are both made by sony. Any suggestions?
[15:27] <soren> mok0: :)
[15:27] <soren> kriel: What are "some problems"?
[15:28] <kriel> soren: namely, that when it goes to detect CD-rom's, it finds none. (regardless of the fact that it booted off the dang thing.) There are also some errors when it first boots, but it manages to work past those into the install. Digging through my CD stack for the server CD to reproduce those.
[15:30] <soren> kriel: You claim this is an issue with the server cd only?
[15:30] <kriel> main menu > 'install to hard disk' > ata1.00: cmd c8/00:08:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 4096 in
[15:31] <kriel> ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
[15:31] <kriel> yup. It also happens when I use the 'check cd for errors' option. I know it's only with server, because I've installed ubuntu desktop to this machine before.
[15:35] <kriel> this http://www.perry-nelson.com/blog/2007/10/21/gutsy-gibbon-live-cd-boot-problem/ blog has some info on it, starting especially with #6
[15:59] <Gamekiller> any server support guys here the main channel is to fast for me
[15:59] <zul> yes
[16:00] <Gamekiller> i am very worried that i have somthing very wrong with my LAMP server
[16:00] <zul> Gamekiller: just ask your question
[16:00] <Gamekiller> at ssh or local screen
[16:00] <Gamekiller> the interface works very slow
[16:00] <Gamekiller> and at the local level all the text out put is in caps and what it type is in cap but it dose not go to the system in caps
[16:01] <Gamekiller> i remeber 8 years ago that being a rootkit hack tell tail
[16:01] <Gamekiller> top shows nothing running on the cpu
[16:02] <soren> Gamekiller: What's your username on the machine? (Upper/lower-case is important)
[16:02] <Gamekiller> i have what is called Moodle running on the server it is a CMS but is stands for Classroom Managment System
[16:02] <Gamekiller> lower case
[16:02] <Gamekiller> and it take it as the upcase that i see
[16:03] <Gamekiller> the only port that go public is the 80 the rest is behind my firewall in the dmz
[16:03] <soren> If you use uppercase at login, your console will assume that your terminal only supports uppercase characters.
[16:03] <soren> the logs will be fine, though.
[16:04] <Gamekiller> i had this on my othere server that runs nogios and zenoss and it was going the same now it reverted back it just odd and hte repose time on all termninal ssh or local is super slow very little load and this is a dual zeon 2.8 or so with 2 gigs or ram
[16:04] <Gamekiller> of*
[16:05] <Gamekiller> right now i not so worried about the client speed as it only on a bounded T1 but next month it will go to a DS3 and i need it to work full tilt as it host media files for the classes on it
[16:06] <Gamekiller> would mysql make a differnance
[16:06] <Gamekiller> also i see mysql-safe that bad right
[16:08] <soren> No, mysqld_safe is fine.
[16:08] <Gamekiller> i wonder if i need to run something to clean the db up a bit
[16:09] <soren> Could you try running "pidof pidof", wait a few seconds, and then the same command again?
[16:09] <oly-> if you connect to your database using mysql-admin it prints a little graph showing if your db is under any strain, might be worth a try
[16:10] <Gamekiller> do i just log in or is there a command for the graph
[16:10] <spiekey> maybe someone can help me with my Samba-LDAP domain controller problem here?!
[16:10] <oly-> its a gui program that connects to mysql
[16:10] <spiekey> After producing a power supply failure (stopping my Ubuntu and windows client by the stop button in vmware) and starting them up again i can see a delta in my ldap database.
[16:10] <spiekey> the uidNumber, sambaSID, sambaPwdChange, sambaNTPassword and samabaPwdLastSet get changed after that power failure and i dont know why.
[16:11] <Gamekiller> oly-:  what plateforms dose that support
[16:11] <Gamekiller> that form the mysql site right
[16:11] <oly-> most platforms and yes the mysql site, there is also mysql-querey-browser for modifying the data
[16:11] <oly-> but soren knows his stuff better than me :)
[16:13] <Gamekiller> yah now i remeber that was on my old desktop and when i had tiger i need to down load that for my lepard build of osx ok
[16:13] <Gamekiller> btw is this ok to have for mem load got this from proc meminfo MemTotal:      2075904 kB
[16:13] <Gamekiller> MemFree:        959612 kB
[16:14] <oly-> i know mysql also has a slow query log but not sure its located of top of my head :p
[16:14] <Gamekiller> ok
[16:14] <Gamekiller> that site i have has query timeing on it
[16:14] <Gamekiller> and it get it stuff pretty fast
[16:15] <Gamekiller> when is the next big release going to happen any clue
[16:15] <oly-> could look on the moodle site for performance problems
[16:15] <Gamekiller> yah i going to do that next the forums are just full of noob admins that remote host the site
[16:16] <Gamekiller> so sometimes it hard to get good sysadmin support
[16:16] <oly-> true, i used to use moodle ages ago on a ubuntu server but never had any performance problems, but it was used on an internal lan as well
[16:17] <soren> Gamekiller: Next release of what?
[16:17] <soren> Gamekiller: Ubuntu?
[16:17] <Gamekiller> yes
[16:17] <soren> April 24th.
[16:17] <soren> Did you run those commands?
[16:18] <soren> 17:09:00 < soren> Could you try running "pidof pidof", wait a few seconds, and then the same command again?
[16:18] <Gamekiller> going to now for mysql dling the client
[16:18] <soren> Er... Don't bother.
[16:19] <soren> Gamekiller: You said "nothings' running on the cpu".
[16:19] <soren> Gamekiller: Unless you left out "except for mysql" ?
[16:19] <Gamekiller> what do you mean
[16:19] <soren> You said "nothing is running on the cpu", right?
[16:19] <Gamekiller> see it was working fine for a long time
[16:19] <Gamekiller> well from top yah
[16:19] <soren> 17:01:55 < ~Gamekiller> top shows nothing running on the cpu
[16:19] <soren> Good.
[16:20] <coNP[uni]> Good afternoon!
[16:20] <soren> hey
[16:20] <coNP[uni]> Does anyone know if Gutsy slapd supports SSL (and why does it not :)?
[16:20] <soren> Gamekiller: Then there's not much point in checking if mysql is causing a lot of load.
[16:20] <Gamekiller> ok
[16:20] <soren> Gamekiller: Did you run the commands I told you?
[16:21] <Gamekiller> soren:  witch ?
[16:21] <Gamekiller> one
[16:22] <soren> 17:09:00 < soren> Could you try running "pidof pidof", wait a few seconds, and then the same command again?
[16:23] <Gamekiller> ok
[16:24] <Gamekiller> done
[16:26] <Gamekiller> 12645 and incroment each time i run this
[16:40] <Gamekiller> soren:  the above line is what i got on the output
[16:46] <soren> Ok.
[16:46] <rotini> hello all.  are scsi-connected tape drives just treated like hard drives?  can I do mkfs.ext3 /dev/whatever?  Or should I be thinking about it in a different way?
[16:46] <soren> no
[16:47] <soren> You don't want to put a file system on a tape.
[16:47] <Gamekiller> soren:  what dose that command do just so i know
[16:47] <soren> Gamekiller: If you had something fork()ing like mad, that number would increase by a *lot* more than 1 each time.
[16:47] <Gamekiller> rotini:  i have not tired but most admins i talk to use amanda for tape drive not sure ubuntu supports it
[16:47] <Gamekiller> ok good to know
[16:48] <rotini> Gamekiller: yeah, I've seen that app mentioned once or twice.  I'll check it out
[16:50] <Gamekiller> my brother inlaw uses it at Fatsmanual where he works as a DBA
[17:21] <Goosemoose2> does anyone know if the new module to connect ubuntu to an AD server via hardy is ready
[17:24] <mathiaz> Goosemoose2: not yet - it may be uploaded next week
[18:31] <todd_> anyone here running ubuntu server 64-bit on AMD64? If so.. are there any issues I should be aware of?
[18:40] <nijaba> todd_: I am and don't have any issue
[18:48] <todd_> nijaba, excellent. are you using cool'n'quiet??
[18:49] <nijaba> todd_: nope
[18:50] <todd_> nijaba, oh, ok. mine is just going to be a small, personal web server... so... I think I'll run it just to save power a little.
[18:51] <nijaba> todd_: yep, that should be fine
[18:53] <todd_> nijaba, thanks for your help. I can't wait to get this thing rolling out. Have a good deay.
[18:53] <todd_> *day
[18:53] <nijaba> you too
[19:30] <rotini> so, with backup tapes, it doesn't have a directory structure like a disk?  I'm looking at how to back up to one, and it makes me think that I can put only one big .tar on the tape at one time.  Anyone up on this stuff?
[19:36] <sommer> rotini: you should just be able to send the files to tape using tar
[19:36] <sommer> rotini: tar czvf /dev/st0 /etc
[19:36] <sommer> for example, should put the /etc/ directory on the tape
[19:37] <sommer> I think you may be wanting to use the file system utilities to manipulate the tape, but I don't think it works that way
[19:43] <rotini> sommer: yeah, i've just read a little more about it.  Still a bit different than what I'm used to (hard drives).
[19:44] <sommer> yep, once you get the utilities down it's really not too big an issue
[19:45] <sommer> the big one is tar, or whatever archive utility, and the command to rewind the tape
[19:45] <sommer> I forget that one though
[19:46] <rotini> mt -f /dev/whatever rewind
[19:46] <sommer> boom
[20:37] <qman> I was wondering, does anyone know which ports apache uses when sending pages back? I want to limit the bandwidth it uses with tc, and if that's configurable, it would be easiest
[20:37] <ivoks> 80?
[20:38] <qman> not the listen port, the ports it sends the data on, like when you download images on a web page
[20:38] <ivoks> well, it's communication in both directions
[20:38] <ivoks> it's 80
[20:39] <qman> then how does it handle multiple simultaneous connections? I thought 80 was just for the requests
[20:39] <qman> if so, that's easy
[20:40] <ivoks> one could write a encyclopedia about how does apache handle multiple connections :)
[20:40] <Weasel[DK]> 80 is for listen port (server)  and clients are > 1024
[20:40] <qman> hehe
[20:40] <ivoks> for start, there are couple of different mpms
[20:40] <ivoks> each of them works different
[20:41] <ivoks> bottom line, it's 80 :)
[20:41] <qman> It's just, I know how ftp works
[20:41] <qman> and ftp needs both 21 to connect on, and a high port range to communicate with
[20:41] <ivoks> qman: not higher, but 20
[20:41] <qman> I thought apache worked similarly, but couldn't find any info on which port range it uses
[20:42] <ivoks> 20 is for data, 21 for communication
[20:42] <qman> yeah, but passive ftp also requires a high port range
[20:43] <Weasel[DK]> use tcpdump. and you will see
[20:43] <qman> good idea
[20:45] <qman> oh boy, too much garbage, time for wireshark
[20:45] <ivoks> tcpdump src your_webserver
[20:46] <Weasel[DK]> tcpdump -nn src your_webserve
[20:47] <qman> huh, it does run on one port
[20:47] <qman> my server is https, and everything is coming back from 443
[20:48] <qman> thanks for the help