[00:01] <bernier> what's the command to update from gutsy to hardy
[00:05] <chx> Will HH have Linux 2.6.24  ? I just read changelog and was blown away
[00:05] <bernier> yes it will
[00:05] <bernier> it in fact already has it
[00:06] <wastrel> 2.6.24-4-generic
[00:06]  * chx whistles merrily
[00:06] <chx> three more months ?
[00:06] <bernier> for final release it's on april 24th
[00:07] <chx> next question, what can I do --lacking kernel coding capabilities--  to help https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/137963 ?
[00:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137963 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[Gusty] ipw3945abg does not work with 802.11b-only WLANs" [Medium,Triaged]
[00:07] <chx> Would, say, money help here?
[00:07] <zoke> you mean a bounty ?
[00:08] <chx> whatever
[00:08] <chx> I am asking ways
[00:08] <crimsun> i/win 21
[00:08] <crimsun> (sorry)
[00:09] <chx> I am traveling much more than anyone should and this is a thorn in my side, i need a usb adapter to back me up and it's very uncomfy
[00:09] <chx> so, i would be willing to throw a few bucks it
[00:11] <chx> zoke: so, how?
[01:14] <DanaG> crimsun: do you do anything with the scheduler in the kernel?
[01:15] <crimsun> DanaG: 2.4, yes.  2.6, no.
[01:15] <DanaG> Aah.
[01:17] <mluser-work> what packages do I need to build the vmware-tools from source?
[01:19] <wastrel> did you fix the problem with the -i386 kernel being default in menu.lst ?
[01:20] <wastrel> hrm no that was probably specific to me.
[01:20] <wastrel> anyway the new kernel package isn't setting the correct kernel image in menu.lst
[01:20] <wastrel> is that normal for alpha or a bug?
[01:21] <crimsun> hmm.
[01:23] <crimsun> mluser-work: Build-Depends: cpio, debhelper, build-essential, libqt3-mt-dev, linux-headers-$(uname -r), module-init-tools, rpm, sed, sharutils, bzip2, libgtk2.0-dev, libxxf86misc-dev, libxtst-dev, libxxf86vm-dev, libxinerama-dev
[01:26] <mluser-work> crimsun: thanks
[01:28] <DanaG> Anybody know what the "trousers" TPM subsystem can be used for?
[01:28] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I noticed something about the following two packages:
[01:28] <DanaG> !info jaaa japa
[01:28] <ubotu> jaaa (source: jaaa): audio signal generator and spectrum analyser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.2-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 37 kB, installed size 176 kB
[01:29] <DanaG> They don't get along with pulseaudio, or even with my bare hda-intel device.  The apps demand mmap.
[01:44] <DanaG> WTF?  No applets for AWN.  That's lame.
[01:45] <wastrel> awn is from google
[01:48] <DanaG> I mean, it doesn't COME with any applets.
[01:48] <DanaG> At least in the Hardy packaged version, that is.
[01:49] <Solarion> any idea what's up with nautilus + libeel2?
[01:50] <crimsun> these questions are insanely vague.
[01:52] <RAOF> DanaG: Thank you for reminding me.  I need to review the applets package on REVU
[01:53] <crimsun> ugh, dinner, then more hacking.
[01:54] <DanaG> Aah, so some applets are going to be packaged?  Cool.
[01:59] <wers> on what exact date will hardy be released? :)
[02:07] <mohbana> hi, i want to try out ubuntu but i have a few questions
[02:07] <DanaG> If you're new to Linux, avoid Hardy.
[02:08] <DanaG> But if you're just new to this distro specifically, you should at least give yourself a chance to become accustomed to apt and dpkg and such, if you haven't used them before.
[02:09] <wastrel> distro
[02:10] <Solarion> less vague: nautilus seems to require libeel2-2 >= 2.21.5 but 2.20.0-2ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[02:10] <Solarion> hence nautilus is being held back
[02:11] <DanaG> Development versions sometimes, or even 'often', have broken dependencies; make sure you know how to deal with them.  Also, make sure you're willing to live with brokenness if need be, or else you should just use released versions.
[02:12] <Solarion> DanaG: all well and good, but I'm wondering if it's a known problem and if there's an eta on a fix.
[02:13] <mohbana> i am currently running fedora 8, i have an extra partion i want to try out ubuntu 7.10.  How can i make a backup of my mbr and my fedora partion, i have another partion where i can store the images. thanks
[02:14] <DanaG> Actually, I was talking to mohbana.
[02:16] <RAOF> Solarion: I think your mirrors may be out of date; nautilus fully upgraded for me a couple of ays ago.
[02:17] <Solarion> RAOF: I don't see a non-ubuntu or canonical mirror
[02:18] <RAOF> Well, WorksForMe(tm)
[02:20] <mohbana> anyone
[02:21] <RAOF> mohbana: Well, dd's always fun.
[02:21] <mohbana> huh?
[02:22] <RAOF> As in dd if=/dev/yourpartition of=/path/to/your/backupfile
[02:23] <DanaG> !faubackup
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about faubackup - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:23] <DanaG> !info faubackup
[02:23] <ubotu> faubackup (source: faubackup): Backup System using a Filesystem for Storage. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.9 (hardy), package size 32 kB, installed size 152 kB
[02:23] <DanaG> It acts kinda' like "Time Machine", in that it links stuff.
[02:23] <DanaG> I believe you restore with rsync.
[02:24] <wers> on what exact date is hardy supposed to be released?
[02:25] <mohbana> is there a gui based program
[02:28] <wers> mohbana, you may want to try #ubuntu
[02:30] <mohbana> ok thanks
[02:30] <mohbana> wow 1115 people in there
[02:35] <askand> !info gnochm
[02:35] <ubotu> gnochm (source: gnochm): CHM file viewer for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 139 kB, installed size 756 kB
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> anyone successfully using debmirror with hardy?
[04:32] <Sonicadvance1> Nautilus seems to be borked :D
[04:32] <Sonicadvance1> nautilus: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgiohal-volume-monitor.so: undefined symbol: libhal_ps_get_strlist
[05:09] <DanaG> Who here would be able to fix grammatical errors in changelogs?  Look at the changelog for update-manager-core.
[05:12] <DanaG>     - if the prerequists can not be authenticated,
[05:12] <DanaG> (comma doesn't belong there.)
[05:13] <RAOF> You can file a bug against the package, I think.  The next upload can have some historical revisionism. :)
[06:10] <DanaG> WTF happened to "Connect to Server"?
[06:11] <DanaG> My old gnome-vfs mount works, but dumps me at the root of the remote server.
[06:11] <RAOF> Nautilus-gio broke it like a twig.
[06:14] <DanaG> Hmm, transfer is working, but the new dialog is ugly.
[06:14] <DanaG> No 'progress in dialog icon' anymore.
[06:17] <DanaG> Well, if'n you wanna' start getting the file, you can do it with wget -C -- but better to throttle it to, say, 11 kilobytes per second so it doesn't speed past my upload.
[06:19] <DanaG> And it's not ******** minimizeable.
[06:19] <DanaG> (I put those asterisks there without counting them.)
[06:34] <DanaG> That's odd:
[06:34] <DanaG> my pidgin notifications interrupted my music.
[06:34] <DanaG> I thought PulseAudio was supposed to not be susceptible to that.
[06:34] <DanaG> The user `dana' is already a member of `pulse-rt'.
[06:49] <nikolam> Hi I made seamonkey and iceape 1.1.7 from source. I made hardy packages and installed them on my current 7.10 instalation. But Now I cant start iceape as it is. It is only starting as Seamonkey. How can I make Iceape 1.1.7 for Hardy to act/look like Iceape 1.1.5?
[06:50] <nikolam> Beacouse Iceape is consisted of some 25k dummu packages, requiring seamonkey install. The same is in hardy repo.
[07:32] <dogsson> when you read(maybe too fast) does your eyes look creeepy? can someone beat me up for it? i know i got beat up once but a African Sudan guy. what to do? :D thank you
[08:10] <dogsson> what happens if your lips and faces are dry? and do you care about bottom of my feet?
[08:11] <Sebastian> Is today "Invasion of the Spam Bots Day"?
[08:12] <dogsson>  how many words do you read at once?
[08:13] <RAOF> !ops
[08:13] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Jack_Sparrow!
[08:22] <elkbuntu> RAOF?
[08:22] <elkbuntu> oh
[08:22] <RAOF> elkbuntu: Oh, dogsson's being crazy.
[08:22] <RAOF> Ta.
 huh?
[08:25] <RAOF> dogsson: You appeared to have been saying completely random sentences.
[08:25] <RAOF> This is not helpful :)
 i am starting topics
 how else can i communicate random thoughts?
[08:26] <dogsson> Aussie aussie oi oi oi
[08:26] <RAOF> dogsson: See the /topic.  This is not the place for random drunken thoughts :)
[08:27] <RAOF> dogsson: Feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic, though those thoughts may be offtopic for there, too.
[08:28] <dogsson> RAOF you are disgrace as an Australian. thu (spit on ya)
[08:29] <dogsson> RAOF> OI
[08:30] <DanaG> I think there's a #ubuntu-offtopic-offtopic
[08:30] <DanaG> perhaps.
[08:38] <dogsson> is jerky head/hand behavior crazy behavior
[08:38] <dogsson> or threatening behavior?
[08:39] <RAOF> dogsson: Please don't.
[08:40] <dogsson> RAOF perdon?
[10:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all. Is it normal that tracker in hardy (but maybe also in gutsy where I was not using it) does not do indexing based on file names, so that if I create an empty file called xxxxy I will not find it by searching xxxxy?
[10:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or is it only on my laptop?
[10:28] <aantipop> if i type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg im not able to select a driver for graphics card anymore ? and mouse protocol ??
[10:30] <kripken> aantipop: I believe that this is due to changes in how XOrg works. Basically it should now all be automatic
[10:30] <kripken> if you look at the xorg.conf files, they are now very short. Not like in the past, where they detailed everything
[10:31] <aantipop> works great: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:32] <kripken> I get that when I run the FOSS driver. What are you running now?
[10:32] <aantipop> so how do i set nvidia for the driver, manual edit ?
[10:32] <aantipop> seems like nv
[10:32] <aantipop> but i want nvidia, and i want to choose my mouseprotocol
[10:32] <kripken> To use nvidia, just use the restricted-drivers-manager
[10:33] <kripken> it'll do it all for you. No idea about the mouse though, but I believe you can add lines to xorg.conf, they will override the automatic configuration
[10:33] <aantipop> it say its using it
[10:33] <kripken> did you edit xorg.conf? anyhow, just change the driver in xorg.conf to "nvidia"
[10:33] <aantipop> im on a xorg.conf that got automatically created, because i deleted my xorg.conf
[10:34] <kripken> does it have a "Driver" line?
[10:34] <aantipop> let me see
[10:34] <aantipop> uhm xorg.conf i empty ?
[10:34] <kripken> nothing at all?
[10:35] <aantipop> there is no xorg.conf ha
[10:35] <aantipop> let me reboot, i will be back
[10:35] <aantipop> or is restarting x enough ?
[10:35] <kripken> I have no idea what'll happen if you restart X without an xorg.conf... bt you can try ;)
[10:35] <aantipop> hmm will reboot, see you soon
[10:35] <kripken> yes, restart X is enough. Logout-login from GNOME restarts X for me
[10:35] <aantipop> k
[10:37] <aantipop> it runs without a xorg.conf
[10:37] <aantipop> maybe this is the bulletproof thing ?
[10:38] <bardyr> no
[10:38] <aantipop> so how do i enable nvidia without a xorg.conf ?
[10:38] <bardyr> aantipop, xorg has been able to run without a xorg.conf got a long time
[10:39] <kripken> do you still not have an xorg.conf?
[10:39] <aantipop> no, no xorg.conf
[10:39] <bardyr> aantipop, you use the xorg.conf to override automatic settings like selecting binary drivers and changing kayboard layout, etc
[10:39] <aantipop> now i think i created one with dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:39] <kripken> I would either write a skeleton xorg.conf, or try to reinstall nvidia-glx
[10:40] <bardyr> kripken, nvidia-xconfig
[10:40] <aantipop> there is a very small xorg.conf now, missing graphics driver and whatnot
[10:40] <aantipop> strange thing is, retricted manager says: nvidia in use..
[10:40] <kripken> you can add a line for the graphics driver to set it to nvidia. Or do what bardyr said, I think that will work also
[10:41] <aantipop> will do
[10:41] <aantipop> but my main problem are the mouse-settings
[10:41] <kripken> no idea about that, sorry
[10:42] <aantipop> my logitech mouse runs at 400 dpi, but is capable of 800 i guess
[10:43] <aantipop> hmm brb
[10:52] <aantipop> got nvidia back, hooray for 2007 backup's
[10:52] <kripken> mouse too?
[11:34] <aantipop> kripken: mouse works, but im not sure which cpi it uses
[11:34] <kripken> I think it makes sense to file a bug regarding the mouse issue. It appears there is now no good way to do what you wanted
[11:48] <coastGNU> oem-config does not clear persistent-net.rules, right? Is this worth a wishlist entry in lauichpad?
[11:49] <coastGNU> s/lauichpad/launchpad/
[12:37] <elmnas> hi
[12:37] <elmnas> can some1 help me ?
[12:37] <elmnas> I get a error message
 add/remove applications f?r visa restricted driver manager restricted drivers manager cannot be installed on your computer type (1386) either the application requries special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type
 I have linux ubuntu hardy hevon
[12:37] <elmnas> when I am trying to install my graphic card
[12:43] <Elmnas> hmm
[13:04] <Elmnas> can some1 help me I cant come in to my restriced driver mangaer
[13:04] <Elmnas> manager"
[13:06] <Elmnas> i Go to add/remove applications then I fil into the box restriced drivers manager, then it says "Restriced drivers manager cannot be installed on your computer type (1386) Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type
[13:08] <Elmnas> some1?
[13:08] <Elmnas> can some1 help me
[13:08] <Elmnas> ?
[13:09] <bazhang> Elmnas: this is a very early alpha nearly three months until final release
[13:10] <bazhang> some things will break
[13:10] <Elmnas> ok
[13:10] <Elmnas> so I will download the new dist then?
[13:10] <bazhang> you should stick with gutsy if you are not comfortable with breakage
[13:10] <bazhang> www.ubuntu.com has the latest
[13:11] <Elmnas> but
[13:11] <Elmnas> its not for
[13:11] <Elmnas> my graphic card.
[13:11] <Elmnas> and processor
[13:12] <bazhang> then expect frequent breakage and no easy fixes
[13:21] <rsk> Elmnas: what cpu and gpu?
[13:22] <Elmnas> ?
[13:22] <Elmnas> 2.41 ghz?
[13:22] <bazhang> nvidia?
[13:23] <rsk> '2.41 ghz' is most likely supported in 7.10 gutsy.
[13:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, did the intel network driver change in hardy?
[13:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the one for ipw3945 cards
[13:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> because I have no ipw3945 module, and network is really slow compared to my other laptop running gutsy
[13:30] <rsk> yep
[13:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what are the new drivers?
[13:31] <rsk> in the kernel afaik
[13:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm, and is it already known that they're slow?
[13:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't know what to search for in bugs
[13:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh
[13:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that must be
[13:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> iwl3945
[14:22] <gnuts> hello all, I've got an up to date hardy running, and working well. I get no extra features (scrolling, etc) from my alps touchpad and while trying to fix I found out that there is no server layout section of xorg.conf, even though graphics work just fine. Is that normal?
[14:40] <gnuts> bump - does xorg.conf need a server layout section in hardy?
[14:43] <flipstar> i dont have an 'server layout section' in my xorg.conf
[14:59] <gnuts> ok, thanks for checking! I'll keep pluggin away at the touchpad.
[15:24] <mrbrdo> i followed this guide to install FGLRX: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide (also the troubleshooting section), but i still get the MESA driver (even though i removed xorg-server-video*)
[15:24] <mrbrdo> this is my xorg log: http://pastebin.com/m40f1f457
[15:24] <mrbrdo> errors: (EE) fglrx(0): [pcie] Failed to gather memory of size 262144Kb for PCIe. Error (-1007) and (EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized.
[16:24] <bardyr> i know there will be a lot work on removing duplication in hardy, but will there be any work on removing obsolete packages?
[16:24] <tritium> bardyr: such as?
[16:25] <blkorpheus> I've been looking for the gobuntu kernel
[16:25] <bardyr> well 915resulotion, xmms, etc
[16:25] <blkorpheus> if there is a different kernel
[16:25] <blkorpheus> but it seems it uses the generic kernel
[16:26] <tritium> bardyr: people still use xmms
[16:27] <bardyr> tritium, yea but they usually dont know audacious exits
[16:27] <tritium> bardyr: it's still a matter of offering choice
[16:28] <bardyr> tritium, having a huge amount of packages does not always equal choice
[16:29] <blkorpheus> it doesn't?
[16:29] <blkorpheus> lol
[16:29] <tritium> How doesn't it?
[16:29] <bardyr> sometime its just bloat
[16:31] <tritium> removing xmms would reduce the available choices
[16:32] <bardyr> or it will just get people to use audacious and everyone will be a little more happy
[16:32] <tritium> I, for one, don't use audacious, and wouldn't appreciate being told that I must.
[16:32] <bardyr> do you use xmms?
[16:32] <tritium> Nope, but don't assume that I'd be a little more happy moving to audacious.
[16:33] <bardyr> if you use xmms, audacious will make you happy, just as moving from a 2.2 kernel to a 2.6 kernel will make you happy
[16:34] <tritium> Not necessarily.  Don't presume.
[16:34] <tritium> e.g., I still prefer my 1965 Chevy truck to any of the recent model years.
[16:34] <tritium> newer != better, necessarily
[16:35] <bardyr> tritium, when you need to change half the settings to get it to work, newer is better
[16:35] <tritium> bardyr: in your opinion
[16:35] <bardyr> yes
[16:35] <tritium> But not in others'
[16:35] <Amaranth> xmms has been on its death bed for awhile
[16:36] <Amaranth> just haven't planned out how to get rid of it fully yet and no one wants to be the one to kill it
[16:36] <blkorpheus> and it still works when the others sometimes do not
[16:36] <blkorpheus> all thee forks of xmms
[16:37] <blkorpheus> and yet no real compelling reason to switch
[16:37] <Amaranth> but xmms has also been dead upstream for like 4 years
[16:37] <Amaranth> and Ubuntu isn't about old unix nerds :)
[16:38] <tritium> Being old isn't a valid reason alone for removal.
[16:39] <Amaranth> tritium: being unmaintained is
[16:39] <tritium> Amaranth: perhaps, but perhaps not, if the last upstream release still works just fine
[16:40] <tritium> At any rate, I need to get going...
[16:42] <blkorpheus> xmms haters
[16:42] <blkorpheus> :-P
[16:59] <mrbrdo> hey guys i have a weird problem
[16:59] <mrbrdo> i am using the binary fglrx drivers, and when i type fglrxinfo it shows the ati driver (not mesa or anything)
[16:59] <mrbrdo> but fglrxinfo -v | grep direct shows nothing
[16:59] <mrbrdo> and compiz --replace says that i am not in direct mode so it doesn't work
[17:13] <Pici> mrbrdo: thats normal.
[17:15] <Pici> bug 173663
[17:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173663
[17:42] <mrbrdo> Pici i am not using that
[17:42] <mrbrdo> Pici i am using the latest driver from ATI
[17:44] <bardyr> how do i flush the gnome keyring?
[17:44] <WorkingOnWise> Any ideas why all my desktop icons are hidden? It started Thursday after all the OpenOffice updates were installed??? Wierd
[17:46] <WorkingOnWise> Actually, it seems the problem is that Nautilus is hiding. I just started Nautilus and the window appeared then quickly vanished.
[17:48] <WorkingOnWise> Wow. Just started Nautilus from the terminal. It looks like it is related to the gnome libs that want to be installed, then uninstalled, at each update.
[17:56] <bernier> hi, is it possible to have fglrx in hardy?
[17:59] <Pici> bernier: sure, but compiz currently does not run properly.
[17:59] <bernier> ok
[17:59] <bernier> what do you mean by "properly"
[17:59] <Pici> aka, at all.
[18:00] <Pici> see bug 173663
[18:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173663
[18:02] <bernier> thank you
[18:07] <volk> i have a wierd problem with my clock. It for some reason shows current time - 1 hour. Also times in gnome calendar applet are one hour behind my appointment times in evoloution (the applet reads evolution calendar). How is this possible? If I set the right time, it still goes back one hour after I reboot :S
[18:15] <DanaG> volk: Check your time zone setting..
[18:19] <volk> DanaG, well, I have it set to stockholm/Sweden as thats where I live
[18:19] <volk> do I have to set it to GMT maybe?
[18:25] <WorkingOnWise> ping
[18:25] <flipstar> pong
[18:53] <gQuigs> I'm getting a crash and apport isn't noticing... any suggestions?
[18:54] <Gnine> trash bin is buggy. icon looks always full. some files do not get deleted or reappear after deletion. erratic behaviour. celeron 2.0 - x86
[19:08] <gQuigs> its a nautilus bug if that helps.. create a file with screen recorder byzanz, right click -> properties on file. nautilus crashes
[19:08] <gQuigs> any way I could get apport to get back to reporting bugs / test it?
[19:11] <Andre_Gondim> does any one use cmi8738 sound card?
[19:19] <CroX> Do I still need the alternate CD to use the disk encryption feature?
[19:22] <bardyr> year
[19:22] <bardyr> yea*
[19:45] <Gnine> flash media issue is resolved on x86_64 version
[19:48] <Gnine> even though i was expecting gnash was going to be the default. media is still handled via swf.
[20:06] <CroX> What is the disk encryption feature called? I want to check if other distros have support for it too.
[20:48] <lymeca> Will icedtea be the default JRE in hardy?
[20:49] <lymeca> Or perhaps more importantly...if so will it be installed by default?
[21:17] <george_21> hello
[21:17] <george_21> after installation ubuntu aid it foudn 308 updates i did partial upgrade but some packages names 'lib-mono' had problem being installed
[21:17] <george_21> will there be a problem?
[21:39] <zoke> does xorg.conf exist in hardy ?
[21:44] <Assid> heya
[21:44] <bardyr> zoke, yes
[21:48] <zoke> also I was just wondering, besides reloading the xorg.conf file is there away to change resolution ?
[21:48] <zoke> hopefully without shutting down X ?
[21:49] <Assid> stupid appearances keep dying on me.
[21:53] <gQuigs> anyone know any reasons apport wouldn't automatically report bugs?
[21:53] <Assid> it does.. doesnt it ?
[21:54] <zoke> it does I think
[21:55] <gQuigs> mine isn't working
[21:56] <zoke> xplain
[21:56] <gQuigs> nautilus crashes
[21:56] <gQuigs> and nothing comes up asking to submit a crash
[21:57] <zoke> no tooltip/popup at all ?
[21:57] <gQuigs> nope
[21:58] <gQuigs> it would appear in the notification area... yes?
[21:58] <zoke> yeah
[21:59] <gQuigs> can I cause a "fake" crash to test it?
[22:01] <zoke> no idea
[22:01] <zoke> you might want to file a bug against apport maybe
[22:02] <gQuigs> well in the meantime.. wanna try to replicate the bug?
[22:03] <zoke> not now my Hardy machine is not here
[22:03] <gQuigs> oh ok..
[22:04] <gQuigs> hmm.. I'll just try a different puter
[22:05] <zoke> is apport on the livecd's ?
[22:05] <gQuigs> should be
[22:05] <zoke> because then it could be a lot easier to replicate it on Alpha3
[22:05] <gQuigs> another good idea
[22:06] <gQuigs> gonna go try, thanks zoke
[22:07] <_anna> Hi there, with the 2.6.24 kernel, my wireless rt2500pci driven card is badly broken. I get only very unreliable connections with it now.
[22:08] <_anna> Is there any way to revert to another rt2500 driver? Or a known alternative?
[22:40] <alteregolio> what the heck is the ng adapter?
[22:44] <alteregolio> atl1 hw csum wrong
[23:00] <Pici> Hrm, has the ssh connect mounting method for gnome always been sftp?