[02:22] <nothlit> simon360: i find you have to change every instance (ie every size)
[02:23] <nothlit> well, actually i'm simplifying, i'm lazy and copy the theme i'm using, delete all instances of distributor logo and plop whatever version i want into the scalable
[02:23] <nothlit> simon360: its set like that because it can change with the icon theme
[02:24] <nothlit> and the folder structure itself has been already worked out by the guys at freedesktop.org
[21:03] <simon360> nothlit: it was the icon cache causing the problem
[21:03] <simon360> </delayed reaction>
[22:28] <coz_> hey guys
[22:29] <troy_s> coz_: hello cozzy
[22:29] <coz_> troy_s, hey guy :)
[22:29] <coz_> I have been in an out of here  and you seem to never be here :)
[22:29] <troy_s> Well I'm always 'here'
[22:29] <coz_> then I remembered that this was the best  time
[22:30] <troy_s> coz_: Just sometimes not around... busy schedule here.
[22:30] <coz_> troy_s, I understand
[22:30] <coz_> troy_s, i wanted to ask about submitting sound  for hardy
[22:30] <coz_> troy_s, I joined th e mailing list  "again"  and  asked there but no response so far
[22:31] <troy_s> phone
[22:32] <coz_> phone?? :)
[22:32] <troy_s> ok back
[22:32] <troy_s> yes...
[22:33] <troy_s> coz_: Between cell phones and land lines... ugh.
[22:33] <troy_s> coz_: Ken replied already, perhaps your mail is being junked from the list
[22:33] <coz_> troy_s, ah  ok  I will check again  let me see.....
[22:33] <troy_s> you can post them in an archive file to this list.
[22:33] <troy_s> --
[22:33] <troy_s> Ken
[22:33] <troy_s> coz_: Don't be holding your breath.  The FOSS aesthetic and such being what it is.
[22:34] <troy_s> coz_: We are more stylistically bankrupt than the worst days of MS.
[22:34] <coz_> troy_s, yikes I never get good news here :)
[22:35] <coz_> troy_s, no I dont see any response so far but I guess I can wait  sort of :)
[22:36] <coz_> troy_s, so how are things with you ?
[22:37] <troy_s> coz_: good thanks
[22:37] <troy_s> coz_: Yourself?
[22:37] <coz_> troy_s,  not bad  ... just busy sometimes
[22:37] <troy_s> coz_: Getting a plethora of requests via email... doubt I can keep up.
[22:37] <coz_> troy_s, requests?
[22:37] <troy_s> coz_: Been generating any work?
[22:38] <troy_s> coz_: Everything from opinions on work / websites / etc. to developing various bits.
[22:38] <coz_> troy_s, well no  not really... #compiz-fusion and the compiz forums have been keeping me busy
[22:38] <troy_s> coz_: Weird considering that I am such a bloody hack, but alas...
[22:38] <coz_> :)
[22:53] <troy_s> coz_: You need to generate more work you stinker.
[22:54] <coz_> troy_s, well you know  ... you are right.. I keep telling myself if I moved to europe I would do more work :)
[22:54] <troy_s> coz_: Sounds like one of those mainstream excuses :)
[22:54] <troy_s> coz_: Although I can definitely appreciate the crippling paralysis of generating work that matters.
[22:55] <coz_> troy_s, yeah
[22:55] <troy_s> coz_: I tend to think that is more what it is about.  The idea of sitting down to generate a piece that consumes hideous amounts of time that may, in the end, be purely frivolous garbage.
[22:56] <troy_s> coz_: Finding that key thing that matters is probably a good starting point.
[22:57] <coz_> troy_s, well  i dont know if you start a piece  ..at least half way through it it should be apparent it is crap or not   dont you think?
[22:57] <troy_s> coz_: Sometimes.  Sometimes fighting through ends up with something that is decent.  Sometimes I _must_ fight through the crap to get to something decent.
[22:58] <troy_s> coz_: In the end, I'd say that I find the bulk of any effort a large pile of 'hey that's pure shit' when looking back.  lol.
[22:58] <coz_> troy_s, yeah but it builds a nice vocabulary  of crap so  you dont have to repeat it lol
[22:58] <troy_s> lol
[22:59] <troy_s> coz_: To be honest, all one can hope for is to keep generating 'like' crap so that you end up with a body of work that is at least more or less consistent.
[22:59] <coz_> troy_s, right if you have the motivations and the experience behind you  thats the way to do it
[23:00] <troy_s> coz_: I have finished at least two videos for example, that were absolutely smashingly depressing when finished.  The 'this is absolute crap and we are doomed'.  Then you win an award or something stupid and somehow it feels validated.  I don't really know where to sit on it.
[23:00] <coz_> troy_s, too may times I have seen smudges of color and people say its art they have created or they copy a photograph of someone in pencil and  voila  " i am an artist'
[23:00] <coz_> that background of crap is important I think to all artists
[23:00] <troy_s> coz_: I _would_ like to see more politically motivated and message driven works coming out of our 'culture', but I fear it is still too immature.
[23:01] <troy_s> coz_: Mimisis is a strange thing.  I appreciate it when it is extremely deft and detailed, despite it being largely vacuous.
[23:01] <coz_> troy_s, political work takes a certain kind of artis
[23:01] <troy_s> coz_: Well the sad thing is that in some strange way, _everything_ is political and contextually bound.  Even the blatently backwards replication of imitation using reflective wet floors is making a statement (albeit one that disturbs me all to hell).
[23:03] <coz_> you have heard of odd nerdrum/
[23:03] <troy_s> can't say i have actually, no.
[23:03] <coz_> troy_s, I believe he is a norwegian artis
[23:03] <coz_> artist
[23:03] <troy_s> i see
[23:03] <troy_s> his stuff is vaguely rococo
[23:04] <troy_s> ok i take that back... it is quite ecclectic.
[23:04] <coz_> once saw a show of his work here in the us  very nice very unique he does things from bery rebrandt like to quite loud
[23:04] <coz_> i appreciate his nudes mostly
[23:05] <troy_s> he seems to play on using classical genres
[23:05] <coz_> although the content of some of the pieces can be disturbing like " My wife stabs me "  or something to that effect
[23:05] <troy_s> which is why i immediately spit out rococo
[23:05] <coz_> i see
[23:05] <coz_> he has gone through all of the painting "styles" from rembrandt to  impressioninsm
[23:05] <troy_s> yes... interesting
[23:06] <troy_s> interesting is that his work was featured in 'the cell'
[23:06] <coz_> ah really
[23:07] <coz_> He is the first painter I have seen   that i admired  for his nudes      I know several people that also do figures in their work but the compositions are truly boring
[23:07] <coz_> a friend of mine  John Delmonte   is a fine figure painter but I find most of his work to be boring
[23:08] <coz_> troy_s,   http://www.westpennart.com/images/
[23:08] <coz_> troy_s, he lives close by and on occasion we talk  because there are not many in our area interested in  good paintings :)
[23:09] <coz_> He teaches each summer in Luca
[23:09] <troy_s> lol
[23:09] <coz_> He wanted me to to teach there as well but i just cant afford going there each summer
[23:11] <coz_> he was also close friends with pere max
[23:11] <coz_> peter
[23:11] <troy_s> hrm...
[23:11] <troy_s> interesting
[23:11] <coz_> i hate him
[23:11] <troy_s> he has some darker sort of rubenesque looking images too... interesting.
[23:12] <coz_> yeah john trys purposly to emulate some of the styles of traditional painting
[23:12] <coz_> but he does whip them out quickly
[23:14] <troy_s> coz_: Well coz_, I need to go and snag a really cheap switch.
[23:15] <coz_> troy_s, sure guy
[23:15] <coz_> tell whats his name to send another response to my rquest :)
[23:15] <troy_s> coz_: Next time you ping me, you had better have something new to show.  ;)
[23:15] <coz_> troy_s, ok thats a challenge but ok