[00:00] jdong: yeah, indeed. even without knowing anything about PAM, it's pretty clear that you're using *two* commands that do essentially the *same* thing, and that cannot be a good thing [00:01] :) [00:01] LjL, this is not maths with two operators negating the function of each other, it might be better to consider this, command argument, pipe next command, this is usual, therefore it is just ugly ;-) [00:01] "sudo su" add the "oh! i GET it!" factor for people accustomed to su. [00:01] one of whom i just had the phone, and she had that exact epiphany :) [00:01] +on [00:02] mneptok, interestingz [00:02] LjL, I think the bots messaging users in caps saying "READ WHAT I *ahem*ing SAID ALREADY!!!" if they say anything other than "test me" would be good. [00:02] cat #ubuntu-ops.log | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat | grep ugly | grep ugly | grep ugly | cat [00:02] mneptok, but what was she using sudo su with epiphany for ;-) seems strange unless she was rooting the splinternet [00:03] LjL: tac | tac [00:03] * ompaul hands LjL < [00:03] ompaul: she was trying to add copyrighted artwork [00:03] auto test failed, needing a dcc test please. [00:03] PriceChild: i thought about that before. [00:03] *bah dum tish* [00:03] druke, go back to the channel, and read what they said. [00:03] druke, it didn't fail. [00:03] druke: the tests take a minute. [00:04] druke: Sorry, you'll have to wait a little longer, we are experiencing problems [00:04] druke, you are still waiting on yours [00:04] although bot2 shouldn't speak [00:04] ah ok it was misleading [00:04] druke: yeah, that just mean you have to wait a little longer. [00:04] thanks :) [00:04] druke, how was it misleading? All feedback is welcome. [00:04] well it seemed like a "try again later" msg [00:04] "seemed"? [00:05] LjL, append, you are in a queue to be tested [00:05] hmm ok [00:05] ompaul: well, actually, they've already been tested when that message shows up [00:05] you will be told this every 120 seconds until you are tested [00:05] it wasn't specific to what you'd have to wait longer on, the actual program, or a chance to try again [00:05] LjL, so say we are awaiting results please wait [00:05] anyways thanks :D [00:06] mneptok, so she really wanted sudo sue [00:06] * ompaul shudders [00:06] i do wonder why on earth bot2 said that [00:07] FloodBot2 has become self-aware? [00:07] dunno mebbe [00:07] oh SH***!! [00:07] the code does say that only bot1 should ever say that [00:07] nalioth: oh SHOES? [00:07] * nalioth looks or a phased plasma rifle in the 40w range... [00:08] * nalioth also looks for a new keyboard [00:08] Did someone give the emp locker keys to mc44 again? [00:10] * LjL negates [00:11] * PriceChild negates LjL's negate [00:11] imagine a knee gate [00:11] tac tac [00:12] with tic tacs [00:12] * LjL denies [00:12] LjL, de n eyes is a number of eyes greater than one, in spiders it is 8 afik [00:13] PriceChild: i'd add an /invite to make it more foolproof... but that would mean inviting also people whose quarantine has expired [00:13] LjL, you underestimate fools [00:13] ompaul: i've got many i's [00:13] i can confirm that [00:13] me too [00:13] LjL, :) [00:18] LjL, fb2 still doesn't like giving quit messages :) [00:19] PriceChild it's not bot2, it can be bot1 as well... or any of my clients... it's freenode being annoying, really [00:19] :P [00:21] LjL: are the bots whispering the paste info to the users now? or did it just fail to do !paste in #ubuntu just now? [00:22] Pici, they don't send any message (either public or private) during emergencies, since a little simulation showed that, in the case of an attack, the floodbot could easily be exploited to flood the channel a *lot* [00:22] Ah. [00:22] and this was an emergency, since they had just joined [00:23] Okay [00:24] ompaul, lenswipe got my msn off the forums [00:25] ompaul, been constantly asking for help [00:25] i've been doing my best but eventually just pointed him to irc [00:25] PriceChild, so I am going to point him to a web page [00:25] I have a line in my sig saying "Don't pm mods for support" [00:25] i pointed him to it [00:25] it had no effect [00:25] cos he reads like either (A) troll [00:25] he's just new to it all [00:26] or (B) learned helplessness [00:26] PriceChild, that is not a new users question [00:26] afics [00:26] he chowned his /var/www -R 777 [00:26] ch0wnd? [00:26] which "fixed" his permission problems whilst installing smf [00:26] * Pici sits in the corner [00:27] I suggested it might be a bad idea, and should be fixed [00:40] lets fix the problems /clear ;-) [00:53] hehe [00:53] Gary> Taza, trolling in one of the biggest freenode channels is a quick way to encounter the attention of staff [00:53] I said one line! [00:54] /privmsg #freenode gary smells [00:55] Gary, even if it was only a puny op who removed you ;-) [00:56] Gary, should I join that channel for a flame fest? [00:56] * ompaul thinks not [00:57] i hoped you all would but you have no courage [00:57] Gary, that person said two lines, first time they were told they were offtopic, second time [00:57] well I saw the situation was useless [00:58] LjL, on my way [00:58] ompaul, I noticed as I'd cloaked that user earlier this evening [00:58] Gary, ohh a nice set up to be a troll [00:59] the ones I hate the most [00:59] loverly [00:59] unaffiliated cloaks, the easy way to have a backup hostname [00:59] yeah [00:59] I hate em [01:00] you know what i hate? i hate "grep -i" taking ten times it takes to do a plain grep [01:00] Registered: 1 year 8 weeks 2 days though [01:00] Gary, I figure they collect them [01:00] but that is just me [01:01] uhmmm second time (that i see) that the bots don't notice spammers [01:03] LjL, read the screen there was another message in between [01:04] LjL, you need to terminate the session after a number of seconds not number of lines [01:04] ompaul, that shouldn't matter [01:04] i do [01:04] i store the last time everybody sent a message [01:04] check the count [01:05] then when they send another message, i check how long it was between one and the other [01:05] if less than passed, i count++ [01:05] when count==5, i warn, when count==6, i mute [01:05] this time not only floodbot3 but the others too simply ignored the whole thing [01:05] although it was well within the time limits [01:05] Gary: Can you tell me how long I have had this nic registered? [01:06] Jack_Sparrow: /ns info jack_sparrow [01:06] Cool almost 2 years [01:07] looks like i stalked you onto irc [01:08] I cant even remember my old nick [01:13] PriceChild: I had a good chat with jrib... That is an interesting project they have going... Lots of potential... I rewrote the script to append everything I was looking at into a single file and now seeing if I can rework canoe source code to see if I can get it to upload my file to a pastebin [01:17] Jack_Sparrow: for it to be useful you need it in universe (ideally in main and installed by default, but). which would, aside from probably involving packaging it, mean it's not a hack ;P which in turn means that you probably should rework the *upstreamdev* source code, and make it work with kayak as well as canoe (and the plain console version too) === no0tic_ is now known as no0tic [01:19] LjL: I see your point, but atm I am just playing with it to get a feel for what all can be done... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53487/ [01:20] I certInly do not want to upset anyone who is or was already working on the project [01:21] Jack_Sparrow: i'm sure they wouldn't mind an addition to their team though, especially considering the project hasn't seemed very active lately [01:22] Just wanting to tread lightly... [01:23] LjL: I see where they were going, I simply would have gone for something more basic and built on that. [01:26] LjL: Have a great weekend, my wife will be back home from the desert soon and we have a housewarming to attend. I will play with the code over the weekend. [01:26] Goodnight all... [01:26] Jack_Sparrow: night [01:43] [02:43:26] <__mikem> What is going on with the flood bots [01:44] i'll now paste every time he ask about stuff he shouldn't care about [01:44] you'll have to share my pain [01:49] gnnnnnnn [01:49] "so are you" [01:49] can i say that to him [01:49] can i [01:59] I'm failing to add a factoid to ubotu, but I'm following the directions on the wiki, any ideas? [01:59] danbhfive: hm, there's some bug in the bot somewhere that fails at adding factoids containing some characters [01:59] just paste it here please [02:00] here is the command I tried to run: [02:00] !enablesources is Enable the standard Ubuntu repositories by going to System > Administration > Software Sources [02:01] it's the ">"s i think [02:01] ah, yeah, that makes sense [02:01] anyway, isn't it better to give people the full information and use [02:01] !repos [02:01] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource [02:02] hello there [02:02] well, you know how the installer disables all the repositories if your internet isn't working?, I usually tell people to go to that program [02:02] someone here? [02:03] I think its simpler, but I can try that if you think its better [02:03] i need to open a new room (#ubuntu-hackers) for this project https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-hackers [02:03] i can open it, or i should wait irc opers team ? [02:05] !op [02:05] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Jack_Sparrow! [02:05] emgent called the ops in #ubuntu-ops () [02:05] emgent: yes? [02:05] nalioth, read :) [02:05] In ubotu, danbhfive said: enablesources is Enable the standard Ubuntu repositories by going to System / Administration / Software Sources [02:06] !enablesouces is blah [02:06] I'll remember that, LjL [02:07] !no enablesources is Enable the standard Ubuntu repositories by going to System > Administration > Software Sources - See !repositories for detailed information [02:07] I know nothing about enablesources yet, LjL [02:07] ew [02:07] !enablesources is blah [02:07] I'll remember that, LjL [02:07] !no enablesources is Enable the standard Ubuntu repositories by going to System > Administration > Software Sources - See !repositories for detailed information [02:07] !forget enablesouces [02:07] I'll remember that LjL [02:07] I'll forget that, LjL [02:07] lol, ok [02:08] enablesauce [02:09] !automatix | jrib [02:09] jrib: automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe » [02:09] heh [02:10] cool, LjL, thanks [02:16] re-heya :) [02:16] emgent: do you dial your local cities emergency services to ask when the next city council meeting is going to be held? [02:17] uhm? i dont understand [02:17] simple question [02:18] yes or no answer [02:18] emgent: in the US we dial 911 when folks are needing the police or fire services. in the UK they dial 999 to get the same [02:19] emgent: do you dial your local cities emergency services to ask when the next city council meeting is going to be held? [02:19] no [02:19] then why did you dial Ubuntu Emergency Services about your purely administrative questions? [02:19] sorry, i understand :) [02:20] no0tic, say to me ask here. but sorry for request. [02:20] did you not stop to think that maybe we don't spend every second glued to this channel? [02:21] gah, request fine to ask about... way he did it wasn't [02:21] ops, wrong part.. [02:21] request fine to ask about... way you did it wasn't [02:22] PriceChild, i understand sorry :| [02:25] only one question nalioth [02:25] why you redirect and close this room ? [02:26] emgent: we do that with all unofficial channels (or channels of questionable origin) [02:27] ok, i will request ufficializzation, sorry for disturbe :) [02:27] emgent: The IRC Council owns the #ubuntu* namespace [02:27] Pici, yes i know [02:27] but ubuntu-hackers is a project with ubuntu [02:28] Daniel T Chen (crimsun) is in too. [02:28] emgent, who's he? [02:28] motu [02:28] https://edge.launchpad.net/~crimsun [02:28] why's that have relevance? [02:29] emgent: how do you plan to do security audits of Launchpad code? [02:29] mneptok, i was found some security bug in launchpad with external pt. [02:29] this bug now patched. (ask keescook) [02:29] emgent: so report it to the security team. i'm sure Kees wants to know about it. [02:30] mneptok, it's patched now.. [02:30] emgent: there's really no need for Yet Another Security Team [02:30] emgent: This is an official Ubuntu team? sanctioned by one of the councils? [02:30] mneptok, see wiki page. [02:30] emgent: join kees' group. that's the official teram. [02:30] *team [02:30] Pici, not now i will ask to councils [02:30] ok i understand :) [02:31] i will ask to council. sorry for disturbe and thanks for help. [02:31] :) [02:31] see you later people [02:31] emgent: it's always preferable to join the work of existing groups rather than fragment and duplicate effort [02:31] mneptok, it'snt duplicate. [02:31] see wiki and launchpad project page. [02:31] ubuntu-security it's only for canonical people. [02:32] probably for a reason [02:32] there is motu-swat (and i'm in) but this team debug pkgs only. [02:32] siretart give me and ideas to create it. [02:32] but np, i will ask to kees and council. sorry :P [02:33] From a strictly technical perspective I'm not sure how you are going to fix bugs on the forums, website or on LP.. [02:33] we can audit an pt. [02:33] later interested team will patch. [02:34] no chance of doing it on the forums through us... would have to start developing at the vB end... ie be hired [02:34] we found bug and build patch, later interested team go to patch. [02:34] s/found/find/ [02:34] launchpad's source isn't released, you'd need to be hired by canonical. [02:34] So... basicially: ubuntu-we-try-to-break-everything-then-you-fix-it-group? [02:34] PriceChild, external pt. [02:34] pt? [02:34] external pt? [02:35] yes. [02:35] pt? [02:35] i found bug in launchpad and ubuntu.com with external penetrations tests [02:35] hrm. [02:35] emgent: please don't [02:35] mneptok, see [02:35] emgent: Now you definitly need to clear that with the councils. [02:36] I assume you sought permission before trying any kind of what seems like an attack? [02:36] Pici, i will ask np :) [02:36] emgent: that behavior is against the Code Of Conduct unless your tests have been asked for and approved by the security team [02:36] see malone 180468 [02:36] Bug 180468 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/180468 is private [02:37] i worked with kees about it. [02:37] and later Matthew Nuzum apply my patch. [02:38] but no problem i will ask to council [02:38] emgent, so you were given access to the source code of what site? and you patched it yourself? [02:38] nope. [02:38] in revu yes. [02:39] if you see bug, i paste a patch for control input. [02:39] $input = str_replace(’”‘, “”, $input); #delete ” to var [02:39] $input = str_replace(”‘”, “”, $_GET[’query’]); #delete ‘ to var [02:39] $input = htmlentities($input); [02:40] it's an example to patch this security bug. [02:40] Matthew Nuzum was edit it to patch. [02:40] (about launchpad bug) [02:40] PriceChild, understand now? [02:41] emgent, we are not comfortable about the legitimacy of this team. You have given scary details of "attacks" without permission. We are not comfortable in that channel remaining open. [02:41] kees allow me. [02:41] and sirtart too for revu. [02:42] yesterday i found another security bug in members add functions (launchpad), i will work in this. [02:43] PriceChild, but no problem, i will talk with kees and i will send mail to council. [02:43] emgent, irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com, gpg signed [02:44] PriceChild, if you can unblock this channel i will put +s on it, and when council and kees accept i will reopen it. [02:44] emgent, I don't have the access to do that. [02:44] if not accept, i will drop. [02:44] nalioth, can? [02:45] EmmerP: Can we help you? [02:46] PriceChild, ok done, i go to mail kees and council :) [02:47] tomorrow ubuntu italia meeting to Siena, i think that is time to sleep too [02:47] Pici: actually, I was browsing through channels on the wiki page, and saw this one, and thought ' this must be a +i channel, but it isn't :) [02:47] So no, no help needed :) [02:47] nalioth, Pici PriceChild Thanks for all, see you later [02:48] Good luck. [02:48] heehhe :) [02:48] bye [02:48] !idle | fyi EmmerP :) [02:48] fyi EmmerP :): Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [02:50] aaight :) [02:50] Odd. [03:05] FYI, i pointed Kees at emgent [03:05] he'll get it under control [03:07] when someone knows many people, it might be that either nobody knows him, or everybody has only heard somebody else talking about him [03:15] i dont; know anybody. i just have a list of nicks to stupid to use /ignore :) [03:15] *too [03:32] mneptok, emgent told me few seconds ago he spoke with kees and he agreed, I assume you already did before. I would like to underline the fact that emgent has not been approved when he asked the italian membership one month ago. Tomorrow he will attend our italian meeting only because we can't ban anybody to partecipate... [03:32] "Your router is affected by a bug. Please follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to fix it, and then type « test me ». If the automatic test fails, join #ubuntu-ops and ask to be tested by operators" [03:33] So...I broke something? :O [03:33] Crasy, go to #ubuntu-read-topic and type "test me" [03:33] rasy: Sorry, but I am unable to test you (are you using your usual nickname?). Please contact the operators (type « /topic » to find out how). [03:34] Do I really have to change my settings for a single simple question? [03:35] Crasy: yes, because your IRC client is vulnerable to an exploit [03:35] Allright [03:39] Now I'm on port 8001 [03:39] And still failed test. [03:40] "but freenode also offers the ability to connect to port 8001. This will prevent this particular exploit from effecting you." So, I'm good now right? [03:40] Crasy: let's see [03:40] !test Crasy [03:40] Sorry, I don't know anything about test crasy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [03:40] poer goiaehiaoeg oeh08eryhg0983 gh094erj [03:40] <_< [03:41] Crasy: you can rejoin #ubuntu now, and thanks for your patience :) [03:41] Appreciate it [04:00] Seveas: ping [04:02] uhm hi, for some reason i cant get into #ubuntu, it tells me that theres something wrong with my router, but with a different screenname i get in just fine [04:10] apperently i was blacklisted, i dont know why. [04:11] pvl1: you may be subseptible to an exploit [04:11] have you performed the steps requested, pvl1 ? [04:11] nalioth, i have changed it to .com/8001 [04:12] ok, pvl1 [04:13] pvl1: you can join #ubuntu now and thanks for your patience :) [04:13] nalioth, ooo thank you very much! [04:57] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE) [05:16] !root [05:16] Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [05:18] right. [05:18] root removed again [05:28] s/realise/realize [05:28] *ducks* [06:22] In #ubuntu-us-oh, rivalarrival said: ubotu is kinda dumb. Bucket is smart === Hobbsee_ is now known as LongPointyStick === Hobbsee_ is now known as LongPointyStick [06:55] Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (sammylegit) [06:57] nixternal: ban forward it to ##fix-your-connection [06:57] i think that's the channel anyway [06:57] doesn't look like the channel [06:57] that was the botmaster [06:58] it keeps coming back and saying "hello" [06:59] it's banned now, right? [06:59] yes [06:59] both are. [07:00] ahh, good catch [08:13] RAOF called the ops in #ubuntu+1 () [08:22] hello Anubis, nice hostname [08:31] Anubis, are you forwarded here from another channel? [08:41] uhmm...crap, I typed a stray command in irssi and just pinged everyone in #u-o, banning myself in the process >_> [08:52] /q [08:52] bah [09:23] morning all [09:24] * Gary wonders if Seveas is about at all [09:25] * jussi01 is *quite* hung over [09:25] jussi01, good night last night then? [09:28] Gary: yeps... company party [09:29] woo hooo [09:29] any photocopier incidents? [09:29] Seveas: when you come back, in answer to your question yesterday, editing rights to ubotu [09:29] Gary: no... :P [09:30] Gary: hence I have been afk from about 3pm yesterday till now... [09:30] sore head? [09:31] very [09:31] I love it when te company pays... :D [09:44] !-variant [09:44] variant is flavors - added by Pici on 2007-12-17 15:58:47 [09:44] !-mint [09:44] mint is derivatives - added by LjL on 2008-01-24 22:57:27 [09:45] hey someone with editing rights, !variant should alias !derivatives [09:45] jussi01: no, I think LjL did that, Kubuntu is not a derivative for example :) [09:48] davies: it should be that variants are mint, mce etc, and derivatives are kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntustudio etc. If you disagree, see: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/derivatives [09:49] http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php [09:49] hmmm [09:50] sigh... [09:50] hate that when they do that [09:51] * davies hugs jussi01 [09:51] * jussi01 hugs davies back [09:55] davies: I would be inclined to go with my link after thinking about it, and filing a bug against the kubuntu page. It feels to me like someone forgot to think that day. [09:56] jussi01: I wrote that! [09:57] davies: really? well I disagree. :) [09:57] jussi01: Kubuntu is not a derivative because it uses the same base as ubuntu [09:57] and so do all the others on that ubuntu.com - it's wrong [09:59] jussi01: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/ [10:00] jussi01: and you might want to ask Riddell ;) [10:03] davies: I still disagree. [10:20] davies: I dont like your new name, come back jpatrick!!!! :P [10:20] jussi01, get a few IRC council members to agree with you that you should have editing rights :) [10:20] Seveas: ok. :) [10:21] thanks forthe info. [10:21] jussi01: I'm just avoid some -es trolls [10:21] davies: ahh, got you. [10:23] + this one's shorter :) [10:24] davies: who cares, I have tab completion :D [10:43] morning Hobbsee [10:44] heya jussi01! [10:45] Hobbsee: I got to tell you thanks again for the listadmin info, dunno what id do with out it now. :D [10:45] jussi01: :D you're welcome [10:46] morning Hobbsee [10:48] morning davies [10:49] Hobbsee: you seen sabdfl's message on m-c? [10:49] davies: yep :D [10:50] davies: I havent, got a link? [10:51] one sec [10:51] jussi01: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-January/000812.html === Hobbsee_ is now known as LongPointyStick === LongPointyStick is now known as Hobbsee [11:19] irssi has some *nice* scripts [11:20] Hobbsee: which ones in particular? [11:22] the split line [11:22] as in, the one that puts a line after you last saw [11:23] trackber.pl :) [11:23]