[00:02] <alteregolio> how can i get wine running under cygwin?
[00:03] <bardyr> hu?
[00:03] <bardyr> alteregolio, why do you want wine in windows?
[00:04] <bardyr> that does not make any sense
[00:04] <hydrogen> it probably does a better job of running windows programs :p
[00:04] <alteregolio> yeah
[00:04] <alteregolio> because i replaced the windows shell with KDE
[00:05] <hydrogen> the real question is
[00:05] <hydrogen> what does that have to do with the topic of this channel
[00:06] <alteregolio> fascinating
[00:52] <nikolam> Hi. Does anyone use Iceape?
[00:53] <nikolam> I see packages for iceape on Hardy uses seamonkey as the base.
[00:53] <nikolam> When I install Iceape i need to have Seamonkey already installed
[00:54] <nikolam> Now I have only Seamonkey but not iceape as application before.
[01:40] <wastrel> hi
[01:56] <hw194d> hey
[01:59] <IdleOne> having issue finding where I add a printer from? printer is hooked up to windows pc
[01:59] <DanaG> Anybody know what the Trousers TCS daemon is useful for?
[02:00] <IdleOne> DanaG: man might know. never heard of it
[02:04] <IdleOne> !print
[02:04] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[02:09] <IdleOne> ok it seems hardy has no System>Administration>printing
[02:10] <IdleOne> gonna have to wait till later
[02:36] <^BiplanO^> hi all
[02:37] <^BiplanO^> My nautilus crashes :)
[02:39] <^BiplanO^> does anyone have the same problem?
[02:44] <^BiplanO^> hellooo?
[02:44] <DanaG> Mine doesn't crash too often, but my gnome-vfs is partly broken.
[02:45] <^BiplanO^> uhmmm my nautilus crashes on gnome startup...
[02:45] <DanaG> I haven't had that issue.
[02:45] <^BiplanO^> a nautilus window flashes 5 or 6 times
[02:45] <^BiplanO^> then it closes
[02:45] <^BiplanO^> and I have no icons on desktop
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> ^BiplanO^, did you change the size of the zoom?
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> i had that happen after last patch, but can't remember doing such a change prior to latest update
[02:48] <^BiplanO^> nomasteryoda, I did nothing...it happened after a recent update
[02:48] <^BiplanO^> I can start nautilus from the panel menus
[02:49] <^BiplanO^> but going into the Desktop directory causes it to crash
[02:50] <DanaG> Hmm.  I use home dir as desktop, and I made Desktop be a symlink to ~ .
[02:51] <^BiplanO^> I see
[02:51] <^BiplanO^> maybe it's related to language?
[02:52] <DanaG> Or perhaps there's some video or audio file that crashes when thumbnailed.
[02:52] <^BiplanO^> I noticed there's a check for user directory names
[02:52] <^BiplanO^> I'm italian but I kept the english ones
[02:52] <^BiplanO^> uhmm no
[02:52] <^BiplanO^> I thougt about this
[02:52] <DanaG> Have you run Nautilus in console?
[02:53] <^BiplanO^> if I rename my Desktop and create a new desktop directory it doesn't crash
[02:53] <^BiplanO^> with the same elements in
[02:53] <^BiplanO^> it crasces from terminal...
[02:53] <DanaG> Odd.
[02:53] <^BiplanO^> it doesn't crash if i give
[02:53] <DanaG> Any debug messages?
[02:53] <^BiplanO^> nautilus --nodesktop
[02:54] <^BiplanO^> yes... a lot of libraries listed
[02:56] <^BiplanO^> :)
[02:56] <DanaG> You could try setting "desktop as home dir" in gconf-editor.
[02:56] <DanaG> apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir
[02:57] <^BiplanO^> uhmm ok... but It's not so comfortable to me
[02:57] <DanaG> Aah.
[02:57] <^BiplanO^> anyway video preview works in other directories
[02:58] <DanaG> Right, that is a personal preference thing.  I am curious to see whether it crashes under that situation, though.
[02:58] <^BiplanO^> I'm curious too :)
[03:01] <^BiplanO^> seems to work better
[03:01] <^BiplanO^> now if I click on Desktop dir... the window disappears and appears again with the home dir content
[03:03] <^BiplanO^> but the home content is showed on desktop at least
[03:04] <^BiplanO^> weird
[03:06] <ryanpg> anyone know if compiz is working with the latest fglrx stuff as of now?
[03:07] <ryanpg> there was a missing t-f-p issue recently
[03:07] <^BiplanO^> it's not working
[03:07] <^BiplanO^> fglrx doesn't support the new Xorg
[03:08] <^BiplanO^> :(
[03:08] <^BiplanO^> I have problems on closing gnome sessions too
[03:08] <^BiplanO^> computer hangs
[03:09] <^BiplanO^> DanaG, it crashes when it sees an icon owned by root
[03:09] <DanaG> Odd.
[03:09] <DanaG> Perhaps try changing your icon theme.
[03:09] <^BiplanO^> uhmm ok
[03:10] <ryanpg> anyone here know if APIC laptop issues are more present on AMD chips than Intel?
[03:11] <^BiplanO^> DanaG, nothing
[03:11] <ryanpg> OT - I have a toshiba amd 64 that periodically hangs without noapic - gonna sell it off and get something more supported
[03:11] <DanaG> Odd.
[03:11] <DanaG> You could try running Nautilus under gdb.
[03:11] <DanaG> run 'gdb nautilus', and then hit 'r' to run.
[03:11] <DanaG> Once it crashes, type 'bt' to backtrace.
[03:12] <DanaG> And then 'q' to quit.
[03:12] <DanaG> (remember about pastebin.)
[03:12] <DanaG> Oh, and to get complete output, you may need to install related -dbg packages.
[03:13] <^BiplanO^> changing the icon's owner works
[03:13] <^BiplanO^> you mean that i have to install nautilus-dbg?
[03:14] <DanaG> I'm not sure if that exists.
[03:15] <^BiplanO^> me neither
[03:15] <^BiplanO^> it exists
[03:22] <^BiplanO^> Dana, I give bt full when it stops
[03:23] <^BiplanO^> but it seems that the package installed another executable for debugging... it seems there aren't symbols
[03:24] <^BiplanO^> http://pastebin.com/m35ca5266
[03:28] <DanaG> Actually, it seems like it may need some more -dbg packages.
[03:28] <DanaG> Look around #173 -- look for a something-gio-dbg
[03:29] <^BiplanO^> odd... if I set the owner of a file to root it doesn't crash
[03:30] <^BiplanO^> it crashes only with that icon
[03:31] <^BiplanO^>  Google-googleearth.desktop
[03:34] <^BiplanO^> i don't know how to run the dbg version
[03:39] <DanaG> Odd.
[03:57] <JavaGeek> hello
[03:59] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[04:00] <tumbleweed__> is there any way for me to completely replace nautilus with thunar?
[04:00] <tumbleweed__> (and xfdesktop4)
[04:01] <JavaGeek> I installed hardy on a Dell vostro 1400 with HDA intel soundcard
[04:01] <JavaGeek> in Gutsy works fine, but I can't make it work in hardy
[04:01] <wastrel> i have hardy
[04:02] <tumbleweed__> uhhhhhh
[04:02] <tumbleweed__> ok
[04:03] <JavaGeek> The codec is being returned as: Codec: SigmaTel STAC9228
[04:04] <JavaGeek> I wonder if any of you has had a similar issue
[04:12] <wastrel> 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[04:13] <wastrel> that's my card and sound works fine
[04:13] <wastrel> ack no
[04:13] <wastrel> that's my card on the other thing
[04:14] <wastrel> stupid irc
[04:14] <wastrel> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[04:14] <wastrel> that's my card
[04:18] <JavaGeek> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[04:18] <JavaGeek> that's my card, and I can't get a beep out of it
[04:23] <wastrel> the driver loaded?
[04:23] <wastrel> snd_hda_intel  i guess
[06:18] <Khalil> hardy wont send over bluetooth
[06:18] <Khalil> i can pair the devices but it wont send.. any ideas
[06:18] <DanaG> Gaack, I have two HFS+ volumes with the same UUID.
[06:19] <DanaG> How do I make them different?
[06:21] <Khalil> ????
[06:30] <Khalil> jesus.. never any help in this channel
[06:33] <DanaG> Jesus has nothing to do with it.
[06:33] <DanaG> (joke.)
[06:33] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what kind of bluetooth device?
[06:40] <Khalil> well i have a bluetooth dongle...
[06:40] <Khalil> and just the other day i was sending music to my phone.
[06:40] <Khalil> i did one of the updates for hardy and now it doesnt work
[06:41] <Khalil> i've deleted bluetooth apps and reinstalled...
[06:41] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:41] <Khalil> i can pair the devices, but it still doesnt send
[06:41] <DanaG> Were you using file-transfer or bitpim?
[06:41] <Khalil> obex-send
[06:42] <DanaG> Hmm, how about the "browse device" thingy?
[06:43] <Khalil> doesnt work.. ive never used it anyway.. i just usually right click on a file and hit send-to
[06:43] <Khalil> phone...
[06:43] <Khalil> it worked before
[06:43] <DanaG> Couldn't display "obex://[00:1/".
[06:43] <DanaG> Nautilus cannot handle obex: locations.
[06:43] <Khalil> what exactly should i have installled
[06:45] <DanaG> That thing used to work for me; now it doesn't.
[06:46] <DanaG> Odd. Must be something about gvfs.
[06:46] <DanaG> If all else fails, you may use the KDE equivalent, perhaps.
[06:48] <MFen> does heron have kde 4?
[06:48] <MFen> in particular konsole 4
[06:49] <Khalil> what is the kde equiv?
[06:49] <DanaG> kdebluetooth
[06:50] <Khalil> installing now.. is that going to conflict with anything i have installed already?
[06:54] <DanaG> It shouldn't.
[06:54] <DanaG> You'll just have to run the app manually, though.
[06:54] <DanaG> It's a combination of a konqueror plugin and a systray app.
[06:54] <Khalil> i tried running it
[06:54] <Khalil> said no command found
[06:54] <Khalil> how do i start it?
[06:56] <DanaG> oh, dpkg -S kdeblutooth
[06:56] <DanaG> to see what binaries the package has.
[06:56] <DanaG> I don't remember offhand.
[06:57] <Khalil> hrm..
[06:57] <Khalil> i just found that konqueror works nicely
[07:18] <nemilar> Is Flyback planned for inclusion in 8.04?
[07:19] <DanaG> Heh, I have a USB nic with mac address 30:01:00:00:00:00
[07:20] <DanaG> Is that even valid?
[07:20] <tumbleweed__> is that like herpes?
[08:04] <kripken> has Firefox performance really gotten bad after the last few days updates, or is it just me? (might be the new NVidia drivers, also?)
[08:04] <kripken> I see 100% CPU for around a second (and it is frozen) when opening a new tab with lots of content in it
[08:12] <alteregolio> firefox performance is bad
[08:13] <kripken> alteregoliio: in general, or recently it got worse for you?
[08:13] <alteregolio> it got worse after a few weeks
[08:13] <kripken> (hmm, I should say I'm using Firefox 3.0)
[08:13] <alteregolio> no
[08:13] <alteregolio> that doesn't matter
[08:14] <kripken> any idea why it's bad?
[08:14] <alteregolio> its because to much spaghetti code
[08:14] <alteregolio> thats why i use opera
[08:15] <kripken> well, I notice a change for the worse recently, I'm sure it didn't get much more spaghettier during that time :)
[08:15] <kripken> Opera is fast but looks odd on Linux, IMO
[08:15] <alteregolio> well , the ways of spaghettis are unforseeable
[08:47] <alteregolio> how can i force to display folder pictures in nautilus?
[12:09] <bjacob> Intel 3945 WLAN doesn't work (Kubuntu hardy)
[12:09] <bjacob> any idea?
[12:10] <bjacob> also there is no "restricted drivers manager" even after I installed it with apt-get
[12:11] <bjacob> ifconfig does not even show my WLAN adapter
[12:23] <aslan> Hey guys... I am running Gutsy, with the Hardy kernel, trying to get tickless for 64 bit.  Everything works great except for nVidia driver.
[12:24] <aslan> I have tried using both nvidia-glx-new from hardy, gutsy and using Envy.. none of which works.
[12:24] <aslan> I do not get any errors in my Xorg.0.log file that look relevant
[12:24] <aslan> Any ideas what I can do to troubleshoot this issue?
[12:24] <aslan> I have a Geforce 8600m GT
[13:11] <aslan> so I seriously messed up my system.... I installed the hardy kernel, and also some packages from it.. gcc etc..  well I tried to undo these changes and now I get an error when I try to install packages, saying it can't find the dependencies... any ideas how to rebuild all of apt?  I would like to avoid a reinstall
[13:16] <nikolam> Hi, why Iceape does not exist anymore?
[13:18] <nikolam> aslan, you can deinstall programs that have trouble in packege dependencies, and you can set synaptic to prefer package versions from gutsy
[13:18] <nikolam> Then you can install gutsy versions
[13:19] <nikolam> If you just need newer versions of some applications, i suggest you to install debian-reference
[13:19] <ader10> hardy should have a "merge" option when copying/moving files/folders. it's not exactly ubuntu's problem but it would be very nice.
[13:19] <ader10> imagine a 3 gb music folder
[13:19] <ader10> you finished ripping a new cd into a different folder
[13:20] <nikolam> and look for instructions on building .deb`s of newe application yourself : file:///usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port
[13:20] <ader10> you don't want to replace th e1 folder, just merge the 2
[13:21] <nikolam> ader10: Install Krusader file manager and use Tools>Synchronize
[13:41] <aslan> nikolam: ya thanks, but that's not realy the problem
[13:42] <aslan> the problem is that I can't get build-essential or any other libraries to install, they are all looking for hardy dependencies, which I am not trying to use anymore, I tried to switch back to gutsy.. it apparently didn't work.
[13:42] <aslan> So is there a way to rebuild the apt package index so it knows to look for gutsy? I have run apt-get update, apt-get install -f etc...
[13:42] <aslan> nothing has worked.
[13:44] <nikolam> aslan: did you try to set settings> prferences>distribution (always prefer gutsy)
[13:45] <nikolam> then try reload
[13:45] <nikolam> then try to find broken packages in Custom filters
[13:45] <nikolam> uninstal them
[13:47] <nikolam> See to remove Hardy lines from sources.list or do it in settings>repositories
[13:57] <IdleOne> ok it seems hardy has no System>Administration>printing how do I add a printer to in ubuntu so I can print to a windows connected printer?
[14:13] <sn0> IdleOne usually plugging the printer in is enough, not sure about the missing dialogue box though as i haven't tried a printer yet
[14:16] <IdleOne> sn0: this printer is plugged into the windows pc
[14:16] <IdleOne> I need to configure ubuntu to look at the windows share and let me print
[14:16] <sn0> IdleOne is this a hardy question, seems a generic support question?
[14:17] <IdleOne> sn0: this is hardy
[14:17] <sn0> ok IdleOne so what happens when you set it up, like you would with gutsy of feisty ? :)
[14:18] <IdleOne> sn0: I dont have gutsy or feisty
[14:19] <IdleOne> I am running hardy and I cant find where I configure my printer so I can print to a windows connected printer
[14:20] <IdleOne> sn0: jrib in #ubuntu has System>Administration>Printing on his gutsy install. Hardy does not have it . seems there is no printing support in Hardy at the momment
[14:21] <sn0> IdleOne im possibly wrong here but the printing dialogue may be a front end to samba/swat so you could possibly try managing the printer details manually, in samba
[14:28] <IdleOne> sn0: I installed swat but am not sure how it is used. I am able to connect to localhost:901 and it opens the swat home page and all but I do not see where I would add my printer
[14:38] <IdleOne> sn0: thanks for the help but I gotta go. figure this out later
[14:40] <sn0> IdleOne ill see if i can coax my house m8 into sharing his printer off his xp system, and hopefully find your more specific information :)
[14:40] <sn0> cya
[14:41] <sn0> gimme a highlight later
[14:46] <Solarion> man nautilus is sucking right now
[14:48] <alteregolio> yeah because the company went bancrupt
[14:50] <Solarion> not what I meant
[16:17] <Oli``> Has the "extract here" context entry been nuked on everybody's install for recognised archives or have I just borked something?
[16:20] <flipstar> no i also misses it
[16:22] <Oli``> Damn. Are the Gnome devs actually testing *anything* before committing?
[16:22]  * Oli`` sighs
[16:22] <flipstar> i've got kde :)
[16:22] <flipstar> so it isnt better there
[16:26] <Gnine> compiz keeps crashing at the end of every update. same crash report generated. || note: cups integration with hal update is included but not marked since the last 3 updates.
[16:27] <kripken> create archive is also missing
[16:28] <crimsun> Gnine: meaning hal-cups-utils?
[16:28] <Gnine> thats on both x86 and x86_64
[16:28] <Gnine> yes
[16:28] <crimsun> it's installed here.
[16:28] <crimsun> Selecting previously deselected package hal-cups-utils.
[16:28] <crimsun> Unpacking hal-cups-utils (from .../hal-cups-utils_0.6.13+svn86-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[16:28] <crimsun> Setting up python-cups (1.9.32-0ubuntu1) ...
[16:28] <Gnine> did you manually selected it?
[16:28] <crimsun> Setting up system-config-printer-common (0.7.78+svn1799-0ubuntu2) ...
[16:28] <crimsun> Setting up hal-cups-utils (0.6.13+svn86-0ubuntu2) ...
[16:28] <crimsun> yes, with aptitude install
[16:30] <crimsun> Oli``: / kripken: likely the switches in nautilus 2.21.x
[16:30] <Gnine> i was under the impression it might have been some kind of bug that update-manager is not handling that update correctly
[16:30] <kripken> crimsun: yeah, nautilus is quite broken now
 Gnine: meaning hal-cups-utils? << I'm glad I'm not the only one with that update lurking in their Update-Manager =)
[16:31] <Gnine> but i dont think it is entirely related to compiz.real crash on completion of updates
[16:32] <crimsun> Oli``: I normally use aptitude, so I haven't encountered it.
[16:33] <Gnine> i look at it from a testers view point ...
[16:33]  * Oli`` needs to learn how to use aptitude
[16:34] <Gnine> ok.. compiz.real did not crash on update completion on my x86_64 system ..
[16:35] <Gnine> heh
[16:35] <crimsun> compiz.real crashes consistently after resuming from suspend-to-disk (using tuxonice 3.0-rc5), but it's a non-standard config, so I don't care.  :-)
[16:35] <Gnine> but it does
[16:36] <Gnine> yah. lappy dont take resume or sleep too well (x86_64) ; x86 is doing a better job at that
[16:36] <Gnine> (desktop)
[16:42] <Gnine> f-spot continues to have major issues with the slideshow function.
[16:45] <flipstar> Oli``: i just remove file-roller and ark-kde4 and installed ark, now i got the dialig back :) (i got kde, kubuntu)
[16:46] <flipstar> *removed
[16:46] <flipstar> *dialog
[17:05] <AaronMT> I am curious if anyone knows if this bug is resolved in alpha 3, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/121653
[17:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121653 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] fglrx breaks over suspend/resume" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[18:19] <AaronMT> I am curious if anyone knows if this bug is resolved in alpha 3, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/121653
[18:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121653 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] fglrx breaks over suspend/resume" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[18:32] <LuitvD> hi
[18:32] <LuitvD> my battery monitor is acting up
[18:34] <LuitvD> on hardy alpha 3 (just installed it) it suddenly shows 2 batteries, one with a 12.5Wh "last full charge" and status: charged
[18:34] <LuitvD> and the other with the correct Current Charge: 51.4Wh
[18:34] <LuitvD> though with the wrong Design Charge: 831.4
[18:38] <bardyr>  LuitvD update and reboot
[18:38] <LuitvD> just did that
[18:39] <LuitvD> doesn't help
[18:39] <bardyr> LuitvD, and the i have 2 batteries are a known issue
[18:39] <LuitvD> for alpha3, or for power manager ?
[18:42] <LuitvD> and is it me or has the restricted driver manager disappeared?
[18:42] <bardyr> power manager
[18:43] <bardyr> LuitvD, i think they are rewriting it and have not brothered to install the old one yet, but it is in the repos
[18:45] <LuitvD> right
[18:48] <nemilar> Does anyone know if Flyback is included in 8.04?
[18:48] <nemilar> Or if there are plans for it, etc?
[18:51] <LinAsH> nemilar, unknown in repos.
[18:51] <LuitvD> bardyr: I can't find "restricted-manager" in the repos...
[18:52] <nemilar> LinAsH: thanks for looking
[18:52] <bardyr> it should be there
[18:52] <bardyr> !info restricted-manager
[18:52] <LuitvD> ...
[18:52] <ubotu> Package restricted-manager does not exist in hardy
[18:52] <bardyr> guess they removed it
[18:52] <LuitvD> :P
[18:52] <LuitvD> funny...
[18:53] <LuitvD> brb, reboot
[19:33] <Seveas> grmbl
[19:34] <Seveas> default font in firefox/liferea looks horrific in hardy
[19:36] <Assid> heya
[19:36] <Assid> whats new with hardy
[19:42] <shirish> hi all, anybody tried some of the openjava stuff to see if its runs with firefox?
[19:42] <flipstar> Seveas: try "ln -s ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde ~/.gtkrc-2.0" and then run firefox
[19:42] <rsk> you mean icedtea?
[19:42] <Seveas> flipstar, I don't use kde :)
[19:42] <flipstar> oh
[19:43] <shirish> rsk: that's the name given to openjava? icedtea ?
[19:43] <DanaG> I'm using icedtea because java6 doesn't like libxcb.
[19:43] <DanaG> or rather, libxcb doesn't like java6.
[19:43] <shirish> DanaG: hi
[19:44] <shirish> DanaG: I tried to do an aptitude search icedtea but its unable to find the package
[19:45] <shirish> aha, its icedtea-java-plugin or something like that,
[19:45] <shirish> has anybody got some good documentation on running icedtea one can look at?
[19:45] <DanaG> !info icedtea-java7-plugin
[19:45] <ubotu> icedtea-java7-plugin (source: icedtea-java7): Java plugin based on OpenJDK and gcjwebplugin. In component universe, is extra. Version 7~b24-1.5+20080118-1 (hardy), package size 12 kB, installed size 136 kB
[19:48] <void^> the icedtea packages are still rather broken though
[19:50] <zoke> Why is it not possible for Ubuntu to have package policies like Fedora ?
[19:51] <zoke> i.e getting the latest upstream into the repos ?
[19:51] <rsk> zoke: it's possible
[19:51] <rsk> but not the way things work right now
[19:51] <zoke> but then why isn't it done ?
[19:52] <shirish> DanaG: void^: have you guys tried putting the plugin in firefox & using that?
[19:52] <rsk> zoke: stability issues most likely
[19:52] <rsk> or some other concerns
[19:52] <shirish> rsk: something similar was commented yesterday in Planet GNOME
[19:52] <void^> shirish: the entire jre is extremely unstable on 64bit. looks like some trouble compiling it properly.
[19:53] <shirish> I'm trying it on 32-bit
[19:53] <zoke> Fedora tends to get the latest and greatest into it's repos which I think is fantastic for a desktop
[19:53] <shirish> although do know in future its going to be 64bit only
[19:54] <DanaG> WTF?  Something just broke all my shortcuts.
[19:54] <DanaG> Alt-tab isn't working.
[19:54] <DanaG> alt-f2 isn't working.
[19:54] <DanaG> super-space (for deskbar-appet) isn't working.
[19:54] <DanaG> ctrl-alt-arrow isn't working.
[19:54] <DanaG> Time to kill X.
[19:54] <DanaG> Oh hell, even ctrl-alt-backspace isn't working.
[19:54] <DanaG> Time for magic sysrq.
[19:55] <zoke> are we going to ship a full openjava one of these days ?
[19:56] <DanaG> Well, that was really annoying.
[19:56] <rsk> most likely
[19:58] <rsk> is sysrq compiled by default?
[19:59] <shirish> DanaG: does one just have to install 'sudo aptitude install icedtea-java-plugin' for the plugin or does one have to do the symbolic linking as well ?
[20:02] <bsm> hi, I installed the new 2.6.24-5 kernel for my 7.10 system and hoped to get rid of the libata no DMA for DVD drives bug. now I don't even see a dvd drive. anyone know which module is responsible for handling such things?
[20:02] <Assid> compiz just crashes for me
[20:02] <Assid> it keeps going nutty
[20:04] <DanaG> Hmm, which version of Firefox?
[20:04] <DanaG> I'm using firefox 3.0.
[20:05] <flipstar> beta2 is still out :P
[20:06] <flipstar> beta3 should have been released soon
[20:08] <DanaG> Heh, Totem's "Aspect Ratio" menu is useless.
[20:09] <rsk> totem is useless
[20:09] <DanaG> I was trying to stretch a 1440x1080 WMV to 1290x1080 (since that's the (stupid) way it was recorded), but instead it just checks whatever you select.
[20:09] <DanaG> Now I have "square" and "widescreen" and "auto" all checked!
[20:10] <Assid> heya
[20:10] <shirish> DanaG: b2 of ff3
[20:10] <Assid> appearance preferances keeps dying
[20:13] <DanaG> Java7 works for me in FF3.
[20:13] <DanaG> Mozilla Firefox-3.0 3.0b3pre, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
[20:13] <DanaG> I wish PulseAudio would use surround properly on my emu10k1 out of the box.
[20:13] <DanaG> It'd have to set up sinks for each pair of speakers, and then combine them.
[20:13] <Assid> http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotxg0.png
[20:17] <shirish> DanaG: did you have to do anything to set java 7 with ff3?
[20:17] <Assid> err
[20:17]  * Assid taps his mic.. hello? is this on?
[20:18] <Assid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald/+filebug/mmfrdnUszTvJm5GGYnlTXlpejm
[20:18] <Assid> Not allowed here
[20:18] <Assid>  
[20:18] <Assid> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[20:18] <Assid>  
[20:18] <Assid> You are logged in as Assid.
[20:18] <Assid>  
[20:18] <Assid> why cant i report this big
[20:18] <Assid> bug even
[20:19] <Assid> anyone?
[20:20] <Assid> hello?
[20:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I remember I had to symlink the /usr/lib/firefox-3.0whatever plugins dir to whatever the firefox-2.0 one points to.
[20:22] <zoke> DanaG, could you please document what you have done for your emu101k1 ?
[20:22] <zoke> I'm very sure that several users will benefit from your knowledge
[20:23] <DanaG> Hmm, the thing is, I haven't done it myself, but I found something online I'll go try.
[20:23] <Assid> is launchpad broken or something?
[20:23] <Assid> its not letting me submit a bug
[20:25] <DanaG> oh yeah, I'm going AFK for a while.
[20:25] <Assid> DanaG: care to help me
[20:27] <zoke> Assid I was getting time out errors
[20:27] <zoke> perhaps there is something wrong with the datacenter ?
[20:27] <Assid> dunno.. ive been asking and talking here for a while.. no one seems to respond
[20:29] <bardyr> Assid, #launchpad
[20:37] <DanaG> OOh, I think I figured out the pulseaudio emu10k1.
[20:39] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/pulse-emu10k1.script.save
[20:39] <DanaG> Note that you'll have to change "CARD=Audigy2" to whatever "aplay -L" shows.
[20:40] <askand> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[20:40] <DanaG> And to run it, you can just go pacmd < name_of_script_file
[20:43] <DanaG> WTF?  Paplay uses "side", not "rear".
[20:45] <DanaG> pulseaudio: pulsecore/resampler.c:1334: trivial_resample: Assertion `o_index * fz < pa_memblock_get_length(output->memblock)' failed.
[20:46] <Assid> compiz keeps dying :(
[20:49] <DanaG> Okay, now surround is working, but it's insisting on resampling my 24-bit 96-KHz wav to 44100Hz.
[20:51] <DanaG> pulseaudio: pulsecore/resampler.c:1334: trivial_resample: Assertion `o_index * fz < pa_memblock_get_length(output->memblock)' failed.
[20:57] <DanaG> argh!
[20:58] <bardyr> how can i delete a "folder" in gconf?
[21:01] <bardyr> nvm
[21:01] <Assid> http://assid.pastebin.com/d5f2f8bf2
[21:01] <Assid> check that out
[21:02] <DanaG> Wow, DVD-Audio sounds crappy when downsampled to 16-bit 44100Hz.
[21:03] <DanaG> Stupid resampling.
[21:03] <DanaG> Just let me play the **** file at NATIVE sample rate!
[21:03] <Assid> how do i access that device?
[21:04] <Assid> dmesg says its not ready
[21:06] <Assid> anyone
[21:16] <Assid> okay is there a linux version of "safely remove device"?
[21:17] <DanaG> Unmount volume?
[21:17] <Assid> that just unmounts the volume
[21:17] <Assid> what about for safe removal
[21:17] <Assid> some kinda powering down the device
[21:18] <Assid> and after unmounting the volume the file browser just hangs :(
[21:19] <crimsun> Assid: unmounting it is sufficient.
[21:21] <Assid> okay it mounts as root
[21:22] <Assid> and i have no permission to delete :(
[21:22] <DanaG> How would I go about getting PulseAudio to play the DVD-Audio file at native sample and bit rate?
[21:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that reminds me of another thing: what happened to "USB Selective Suspend"?
[21:23] <DanaG> I mean, in the /power dir of a USB device under sysfs, there's only 'wakeup'.  There used to be 'state' also.
[21:23] <Assid> shouldnt this set to the owner ship of the person who mounts the partition?
[21:24] <Assid> it comes up as root
[21:24] <Assid> and now i cant delete stuff
[21:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, something cool: PulseAudio seems to have really low latency.
[21:24] <DanaG> Playing the same file through paplay and aplay to the same devices leaves only a slight echo.
[21:25] <Assid> isnt that a bug?
[21:26] <DanaG> No, I'd expect some delay due to processing.  It's just a small delay.
[21:27] <Assid> err i was referring to it mounting as root
[21:27] <Assid> :P
[21:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another odd thing: the channels seem to be mixed up.
[21:31] <DanaG> Or maybe that file was just a bit out of order.
[21:32] <DanaG> Source file is RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 24 bit, 6 channels 96000 Hz
[21:33] <DanaG> Oh: "Due  to a limitation in libsndfile paplay currently does not always set the correct channel mapping for playback of multichannel (i.e. surround) audio files, even if the channel mapping information is available in the audio file."
[21:33] <Assid> is 8.8MB/sec good for a laptop?
[21:34] <alteregolio> no
[21:34] <Assid> copying from external drive to local
[21:34] <DanaG> Aah, totem got it better.
[21:34] <DanaG> USB 2.0 is a bottleneck.
[21:34] <nanonyme> what? :D
[21:34] <DanaG> Major bottleneck.
[21:34] <alteregolio> you should get at least 15mb/s
[21:34] <nanonyme> 480 megabytes a second is a bottleneck?
[21:34] <alteregolio> BITS!
[21:35] <nanonyme> oh, oops
[21:35] <DanaG> And that's theoretical.
[21:35] <DanaG> USB 2.0 has lots of overhead.
[21:35] <DanaG> And it's host-based too, so it takes CPU power.
[21:35] <alteregolio> tcp/ip too
[21:35] <Assid> arent 5400 rpm drives slower?
[21:35] <nanonyme> anyway, i'd rather believe the driver is unoptimized
[21:35] <DanaG> Firewire 400 is better -- it has DMA.
[21:35] <alteregolio> i hope PCI/e2 kicks those firewire /usb stuff
[21:36] <DanaG> My 5400RPM drive got a peak of about 20 megabytes per second in bootchart; when I changed to a 7200RPM drive, it's now 40.
[21:36] <alteregolio> pciexpress links
[21:37] <Assid> 14m/sec while wwriting to the external device
[21:37] <Assid> but slower reading
[21:37] <Assid> maybe cause its ntfs?
[21:38] <alteregolio> lol
[21:39] <Assid> okay this is weird
[21:39] <Assid> if i delete a file.. and then the directory and then the parent directory it works
[21:39] <alteregolio> caused by cheap chinese crap
[21:39] <Assid> but i cant recursively delete  the parent
[21:39] <Assid> not from nautilis
[21:40] <alteregolio> usualy wrong charset or something similar
[21:41] <Assid> Error Removing file: file exists
[21:47] <Assid> i cant recursively delete from gui :(
[21:47] <Assid> works from cli
[21:47] <Assid> where do i report this
[22:01] <Assid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/186441
[22:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186441 in nautilus "[Hardy] Recursive directory deletion doesnt work for external mounted drives" [Undecided,New]
[22:16] <DanaG> I'm getting only 5.5MB/sec copying from ntfs-3g external to ext3.
[22:16] <DanaG> ext3 internal.
[22:17] <Assid> DanaG: laptop?
[22:17] <Assid> what kind of external drive do you have
[22:18] <DanaG> WD Blacktop 250GB drive, PATA, in a cheap enclosure ("PPA Int'l")
[22:18] <Assid> i got one of those adapters.. where you connect to ide.. and give it a usb (ide to usb 2.0) convertors)
[22:18] <DanaG> Internal is Hitachi 7k200-200.
[22:18] <Assid> odd
[22:18] <Assid> im using an ole seagete 40gb
[22:18] <Assid> lol
[22:19] <Assid> was lying around.. thought id use it for something
[22:21] <Assid> totem doesnt recognise .srt ?
[22:21] <DanaG> Totem also couldn't figure out WMV with WMA audio.
[22:21] <DanaG> And even the "codec finder" couldn't find anything.
[22:21] <DanaG> I had to install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
[22:23] <Assid> hrmm
[22:23] <Assid> okay
[22:23] <Assid> that recursive delete thing doesnt work for external drives
[22:23] <Assid> works fine for internal
[22:23] <Assid> can you try that
[22:26] <DanaG> What recursive delete thing?  Oh, in Nautilus?
[22:26] <Assid> yep
[22:26] <DanaG> I've noticed the same sort of "file exists" error.
[22:27] <Assid> hrmm... k
[22:27] <Assid> so its not me
[22:32] <DanaG> Gaack, tried to copy something, and nautilus grabbed the mouse and then died while still holding it.
[22:32] <Assid> boy i can break anything
[22:32] <Assid> hahaha
[22:32] <DanaG> And then after ctrl-alt-backspace, I couldn't log in again.  I had to reboot.
[22:32] <Assid> that sucks
[22:32] <DanaG> It was probably some file left over in /tmp
[22:33] <Assid> will have been cleaned
[22:33] <Assid> the /tmp is cleaned i think on boot
[22:34] <crimsun> that's configurable.
[22:35] <DanaG> Oh yeah, try making a folder and then copying it.
[22:35] <DanaG> You'll find that it now wants to give it the SAME name, not "- copy".
[22:36] <DanaG> Oh, and trying to recursive-delete on ntfs-3g:
[22:36] <DanaG> Error removing file: File exists
[22:36] <DanaG> So that's broken too.
[22:36] <Assid> i just reported that one
[22:36] <Assid> i cant make a copy of folder
[22:37] <Assid> nor a duplicate file
[22:38] <Assid> also. when you uduplicate a file.. wait 3 seconds.. thr copy bar comes.. press space.. you will see the bar's cancel button being pressed.. howeverr it still copies
[22:38] <DanaG> Oh, and apps like to freeze on minimize/unminimize.
[22:38] <Assid> same thing happens when you run a bash script
[22:38] <DanaG> And Pidgin freezes for a while on starting my gnome session.
[22:38] <DanaG> And pulseaudio gets dropouts when playing pidgin sounds, even though I'm in pulse-rt.
[22:39] <Assid> when you run  a bash script.. wait 3 seocnds (anything that uses gksu) .. then you get an cancel /whatever window
[22:39] <DanaG> I think it's something about the scheduler.
[22:39] <Assid> press space.. nothing happens
[22:39] <Assid> or is it press with mouse.. nothing happens.. you need to use the keyboard
[22:39] <Assid> yeah
[22:39] <Assid> need kb
[22:40] <DanaG> ANd my background folding@home (nice +19 and sched_idleprio) slows down my foreground compiz-fusion and mplayer.
[22:40] <Assid> you got a working CF ?
[22:40] <DanaG> It causes dropped frames when playing high-res video.
[22:40] <DanaG> nvidia Go 7600.
[22:40] <Assid> sweet
[22:40] <Assid> gnome needs more native apps
[22:41] <Assid> too many kde based stuff
[22:42] <DanaG> I use exaile now as my media player app, but it's still lacking compared to Amarok.
[22:42] <DanaG> For example, there's no "Load", only "append to playlist".
[22:42] <DanaG> So you have to MANUALLY clear your playlist.
[22:43] <Assid> amarok rocks
[22:43] <Assid> crashes every now and then .. but rocks
[22:45] <Assid> one of these days
[22:45] <lymeca_> Checking this link http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/  I see that there are directories for hardy-backports, hardy-security, hardy-proposed, and hardy-updates
[22:45] <lymeca_> Are those sections REAL or is there just 'hardy'?
[22:45] <Assid> i wanna make a linux for bootting off a thumbdrive with some of my apps built into it
[22:46] <DanaG> Amarok also sucks with PulseAudio.
[22:46] <DanaG> It clashes horribly with PulseAudio.
[22:46] <Assid> never seen / used pulseaudio
[22:46] <bardyr> lymeca_, those are real but they are not relevant yet
[22:47] <Assid> okay im off for bed
[22:48] <Assid> DanaG: happy bugging
[22:49] <lymeca_> bardyr: Are there any packages in them?
[22:50] <lymeca_> The reason I ask is because I run an Ubuntu mirror at my college and I just started mirroring hardy
[22:50] <lymeca_> And I want to mirror everything in hardy
[22:50] <lymeca_> But if there's nothing to mirror in those other 4 sections then I won
[22:50] <lymeca_> 't add them to my debmirror command
[22:50] <RAOF> Those are empty for the moment.  Until hardy gets released
[22:50] <lymeca_> Makes sense.
[22:51] <DanaG> Does backports-modules contain anything in Gutsy now?
[22:51] <bardyr> lymeca_, i dont think there will be any before hardy is released
[22:51] <lymeca_> Is there a single location that explains the technical differences and 'rules' for which packes go in gutsy, gutsy-updates, gutsy-backports, gutsy-proposed, and gutsy-security?
[22:52] <lymeca_> And do each of those five sections each have their own 'main' 'restricted' 'universe' and 'multiverse'?
[22:52] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and it still irks me that folding@home taking cycles from higher-priority apps is considered "by design".
[22:56] <Oli``> Where does the xserver config file live in Hardy?
[22:56] <bardyr> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:56] <Oli``> doesn't exist
[22:56] <bardyr> make one
[22:58] <Oli``> Oh I'm being a twerp!
[22:58] <Oli``> I was sshed into Dreamhost >_<
[23:00] <RAOF> Oli``: Of course, it's entirely possible that xorg.conf doesn't exist on your system.  X now is pretty good at auto-detection.
[23:00] <Oli``> nah, I had one... obviously the Dreamhost servers don't... nor do they have gedit (something that was really confusing me)
[23:00] <crimsun> DanaG: err...l-b-m has always contained /something/
[23:01] <DanaG> Any modules, I mean?
[23:01] <crimsun> DanaG: and amarok works fine with pulseaudio.
[23:01] <DanaG> Not when I've used amarok -- I'd get this freezing on pause.
[23:01] <crimsun> It's xine-lib's unmaintained pulse plugin that sucks.  Use esd instead.
[23:01] <DanaG> And if I used "Global Hotkeys", it 'd entirely kill my keyboard.
[23:02] <DanaG> esd stuttered last time I tried, but I can give it another try.
[23:02] <crimsun> meaning, set xine-lib to use esd as long as pulseaudio-esound-compat is installed.
[23:02] <DanaG> But for now, exaile is good in that using it lets me not have any KDE apps -- that was the only KDE app I regularly used.
[23:02] <DanaG> Mixing GTK and QT apps bugs my sense of aesthetics.
[23:03] <crimsun> it's moot with Qt 4.
[23:04] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that reminds me: I installed KDE4 on the old laptop with S3 TwisterK ("Savage" driver), and I was glad to see that desktop effects works with it with xrender.
[23:05] <crimsun> DanaG: I'm not sure what you mean by "any modules", since it has always contained alsa 1.0.15rc3.
[23:05] <DanaG> Oh, I never noticed that.
[23:05] <crimsun> in fact, it was updated to post-1.0.15 not too long ago.
[23:05] <DanaG> My current Gnome theme is Fedora 8's "Nodoka" theme, with a darker color setting.  Too bad there's no QT-GTK engine (i.e. the reverse of GTK-QT).
[23:07] <RAOF> DanaG: That engine is actually pretty cool.  I'm closing the Debian ITP for it.
[23:07] <DanaG> Hmm, capture still stalls on my STAC9250.
[23:09] <DanaG> And another odd thing is that pc speaker only works right after resume from suspend, and only until I change any volume slider on my onboard audio device.
[23:09] <DanaG> I don't use pc speaker anyway, but that behavior is still odd.
[23:09] <zoke> that reminds me, are we going to feature steal from Fedora ?
[23:10] <crimsun> all distros borrow from each other.
[23:10] <zoke> i.e. include their firewall
[23:10] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I want that time-changing wallpaper!
[23:10] <crimsun> err
[23:10] <crimsun> their firewall or firewall configuration [software]?
[23:10] <DanaG> I tried patching gnome-control-centerm but the patch didn't apply cleanly, and I couldn't figure it out myself either.
[23:10] <crimsun> DanaG: what's lspci -nv |grep -A1 0403 ?
[23:11] <DanaG> 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 02)
[23:11] <DanaG> 	Subsystem: 107b:0681
[23:11] <RAOF> DanaG: aptitude install drapes
[23:11] <DanaG> drapes?
[23:11] <crimsun> manage wallpapers.
[23:11] <DanaG> Have you seen the time-changing wallpaper thing?  It slowly and smoothly changes the color of the wallpaper over the day.
[23:11] <RAOF> Time-changing wallpaler :)
[23:12] <DanaG> It's not quite the same.
[23:12] <RAOF> Oh.  That's cooler :)
[23:12] <crimsun> right, that's the engine instead of the actual wallpaper
[23:12] <zoke> crimsun, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary#head-ac864614dcc02108b0d4bf3cdd6749c043b5414a
[23:12] <zoke> that is what I want to see in ubuntu
[23:12] <zoke> that and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary#head-4f04f435441ba4daa3771ee3722b3680afaa0cdf
[23:13] <zoke> online desktop seems awesome, it would be a hit with users to have facebook integration and sucg
[23:13] <crimsun> and would suck for those of us who don't have constant connectivity.
[23:13] <crimsun> regardless, both of those can be discussed on ubuntu-devel-discuss, and blueprints can be written.
[23:14] <crimsun> those are the proper avenues.
[23:14] <zoke> I should get around to writing something up
[23:14] <bardyr> zoke, those are in hardy
[23:15] <zoke> I don't see a firewall thing here
[23:15] <bardyr> oh you looked at the firewall
[23:15] <bardyr> well there is firestarter and other GUI's to iptables
[23:16] <bardyr> but why do you need a firewall on a desktop? this isnt windows
[23:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/111145
[23:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix]
[23:18] <zoke> bardyr, I think that some sort of tool should be available to control what applications are accessing my computer and which ones are not
[23:18] <bardyr> zoke, check firestarter
[23:19] <zoke> thanks bardyr, I will give it a whirl
[23:19] <crimsun> DanaG: with linux-5.8?
[23:19] <DanaG> current kernel is
[23:19] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-5-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 24 19:45:21 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:19] <DanaG> Issue still applies.
[23:21] <crimsun> are you testing with strace arecord?
[23:22] <DanaG> Hmm, I'll try with strace.
[23:23] <DanaG> write(1, "data\0\0\0\200", 8data�)           = 8
[23:23] <DanaG> ioctl(4, 0x800c4151
[23:23] <DanaG> Oh wait, I'll pastebin all of it.
[23:23] <crimsun> thanks.
[23:25] <picard_pwns_kirk> some python script crashes every time I try to add a network printer
[23:25] <picard_pwns_kirk> I subscribed to all of the relevant bug reports
[23:25] <picard_pwns_kirk> but I really need to print my document
[23:26] <DanaG> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53808/
[23:26] <bardyr> picard_pwns_kirk, did you miss the dont use hardy if you need to do stuff warning? :)
[23:26] <picard_pwns_kirk> bardyr: I can't anticipate everything
[23:28] <picard_pwns_kirk> is there any way to add a network printer manually?
[23:39] <flipstar> picard_pwns_kirk: whats about 'system-config-printer-gnome' ?
[23:40] <picard_pwns_kirk> well, I just need to connect to my cups server, but the client.conf file I made isn't doing it
[23:43] <DanaG> How about going to localhost:631?
[23:43] <DanaG> But I don't know what the password would be.
[23:43] <flipstar> user passwd maybe
[23:44] <picard_pwns_kirk> not localhost
[23:44] <picard_pwns_kirk> my print server
[23:44] <picard_pwns_kirk> which is on my network
[23:44] <flipstar> oh
[23:45] <DanaG> I mean, on your computer, you go to localhost and add the remote printer to your local CUPS list.
[23:45] <picard_pwns_kirk> and just making a client.conf file with "Listen <server>:<port>" on it doesn't work
[23:48] <picard_pwns_kirk> DanaG: it worked
[23:48] <picard_pwns_kirk> thanks
[23:49] <DanaG> Glad to help.
[23:50] <DanaG> OH yeah, was it just your user password?
[23:50] <BenderUnit22> He's gone.