| nixternal | w00t, a new plasma theme already, and I must say, it rocks | 00:06 |
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| nosrednaekim | nixternal: screenshot? | 00:09 |
| nixternal | ivan put it on kde-look.org already | 00:09 |
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| freeflying | http://linuxfire.com.cn/~freeflying/pic/kdecn.png wallpaper for Chinese Spring Festival | 07:17 |
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| mornfall | Okey, alpha2 built. Get it at https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive and give it a go, if you've got time. Mind the instructions. Off to Brno, see ya later. | 07:34 |
| stdin | wowzers, http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-01-28.4605718236 | 08:37 |
| Lure | Riddell, Hobbsee: new kdepim enterprise snapshot is in my ppa, ready for upload - would be great to have this for next alpha | 08:37 |
| Lure | no obvious regression here (just bug fixes) and this is what is planned to be released in 3.5.9 | 08:38 |
| Lure | merge between 3.5.9 and enterprise is now complete | 08:38 |
| stdin | in ~13 mins there will be a live audiocast from Nokia on their proposed acquisition of Trollteck http://www.nokia.com/press | 09:02 |
| Lure | stdin: that is interesting! | 09:07 |
| stdin | Lure: thought I'd mention it ;) | 09:07 |
| Jucato | you want intersting? hang out in #qt and watch the sparks fly :) | 09:07 |
| stdin | I've already had more than a few highlights from #qt :p | 09:08 |
| _StefanS_ | stdin, Lure: what are they discussing ? | 09:08 |
| * Lure joined #qt | 09:08 | |
| Lure | _StefanS_: http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1185531 | 09:08 |
| Jucato | http://trolltech.com/28012008/28012008-letter <-- open letter. webpage: http://trolltech.com/28012008/28012008 | 09:09 |
| _StefanS_ | argh. | 09:09 |
| blizzzek | hi | 09:10 |
| _StefanS_ | continue to honor kde open source blahblah.. yeah and for how long. | 09:10 |
| Lure | it might be interesting what does this means for gnome-embedded/maemo | 09:14 |
| Lure | I suspect they will still support both (qtopia and maemo) | 09:14 |
| _StefanS_ | I think they will go qtopia since they own it by then... and can take it in any direction they want | 09:15 |
| Jucato | any "open source" direction I hope :) | 09:15 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: well.. when you start having trouble finding the free downloads on qt side, its time to switch to another gui toolkit ;) | 09:16 |
| _StefanS_ | side/site | 09:16 |
| Jucato | that's the scary part :( | 09:16 |
| _StefanS_ | yup. | 09:16 |
| _StefanS_ | its something that got increasingly hard on mysql.com for instance in the past years. | 09:17 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: I doubt they will close it | 09:17 |
| Lure | they have opened maemo | 09:17 |
| stdin | even if Qt went proprietary, this is a clause in the license that lets KDE take control of the latest open source version (as I understand it) | 09:17 |
| Lure | stdin: correct | 09:18 |
| Jucato | there's a loophole.. or something | 09:18 |
| _StefanS_ | yep. for now. | 09:18 |
| _StefanS_ | but lets see, we might be surprised. | 09:18 |
| _StefanS_ | not meaning to be all negative :) | 09:19 |
| _StefanS_ | btw., shouldn't we make knetworkmanager load automatically in kde4? | 09:19 |
| _StefanS_ | even if its the knm from kde 3.x | 09:19 |
| Jucato | The agreement only takes effect if Trolltech (or Nokia) stops releasing Qt with an open source license | 09:19 |
| Jucato | what if Qt is still released as GPL.. but no longer really for X11? | 09:20 |
| _StefanS_ | donno, we'll have to see... | 09:21 |
| Jucato | in that case, the FreeQt agreement won't take effect I think | 09:21 |
| Lure | Jucato: they will continue GPL version (from audicast) | 09:34 |
| Lure | Jucato: Qt will be used on phones, while Maemo/GNOME will stay where it is | 09:35 |
| Jucato | Lure: it's not really the license that bothers me... it's the focus of development... they can keep Qt and Qtopia GPL but let the X11 part decay | 09:35 |
| Lure | Jucato: with 5000 customers paying subscription I do not thin they can afford this | 09:35 |
| Lure | yes, they are not that many interested in X11, but still it is money coming in | 09:36 |
| Lure | now there is question about linux | 09:36 |
| Jucato | that's what I'm worried about.. I guess it's no secret that Nokia is really more focused on mobile platforms | 09:36 |
| stdin | heh "lineux" | 09:37 |
| Lure | stdin: ;-) | 09:37 |
| Jucato | lie-nuks | 09:37 |
| stdin | kubunt-oh :p | 09:39 |
| Lure | kde/kubutnu question! | 09:39 |
| Lure | shit, I lost audio... :-( | 09:39 |
| Jucato | that's my question!! | 09:39 |
| Lure | Jucato: great | 09:39 |
| stdin | Lure: I opened it in mplayer | 09:39 |
| stdin | "rtsp://rms1.netvision.de/encoder/ca4d16f0646f29c1122f3d6a46717166_c69f08af042cc8d89142792771ffd1c5.rm?timestamp=0124d399f20868211d56af4bc601d840&xtnd=.rm" | 09:39 |
| stdin | seems more stable than in a browser | 09:40 |
| Jucato | wow audio just died after my question got answered :) | 09:40 |
| Jucato | hahah ok | 09:40 |
| Lure | Jucato: what was the answer? | 09:40 |
| Jucato | I think it was Eirik or Haavard who answered. they'll still continue developing Qt/X11 in full force | 09:41 |
| stdin | the audio seems to die every now and then, I think it somehow actually crashes mplayer | 09:41 |
| Jucato | haven't had a crash. I think the silence was more from the phone line being dropped | 09:42 |
| Jucato | :) | 09:42 |
| Jucato | although using firefox :P | 09:42 |
| stdin | FF crashed twice, and I think mozilla-mplayer crashed a couple times | 09:43 |
| Jucato | Nokia "promises" to continue TT's current development efforts... | 09:44 |
| * stdin feels reassured by a "promise" from Nokia... | 09:45 | |
| Jucato | it all boils down to how much you like/hate Nokia | 09:45 |
| * blizzzek as well... | 09:45 | |
| Jucato | the feedback/outlook in #qt isn't really that good :) | 09:45 |
| stdin | Nokia = big company, a "promise" that isn't a legal contract is worth "NULL" | 09:46 |
| blizzzek | nokia closes a factury in germany despite clear profit >7 billion € → they do everything to maximize profit | 09:47 |
| Jucato | well, you it's no secret that it's a for-profit company :) | 09:48 |
| Jucato | -you | 09:48 |
| blizzzek | Jucato: one can go over the top... | 09:49 |
| Jucato | now to monitor planet gnome to see how the feet people react :) | 09:50 |
| stdin | http://www.opensource.nokia.com/contributions.html sure has a lot of gnome bits on it | 09:52 |
| Jucato | stdin: well, they did say they're still going to support (probably even focus) on Maemo for their IT's | 09:53 |
| Jucato | (internet tablets) | 09:53 |
| stdin | well, I think I'll go get some breakfast while I digest the news | 09:57 |
| * blizzzek munches carrots | 09:59 | |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: have you looked at the volume up/down keys on the thinkpads in hardy ? | 10:10 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: Mine doesn't work, so I dont know if we need another dcop-xmodmap-kmilo kind of thing. | 10:10 |
| jpetso | good: Qt will be used on a lot of mobile phones and will continue to be developed | 10:25 |
| jpetso | bad: probably no more or little "revolutions" to expect from Trolltech/Nokia which would further the cause of free software | 10:26 |
| jpetso | neutral: existing advantages are being kept | 10:26 |
| jpetso | overall, worst KDE news in a long time imho | 10:27 |
| Jucato | that depends on how much Nokia will try to control TT's development processes... which they said they won't touch much.. | 10:27 |
| Jucato | jpetso: depends on who you ask :) | 10:27 |
| jpetso | Jucato: myself, of course. personal judgement, not intended to extend to other people | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | hey | 10:51 |
| Jucato | hey :) | 10:52 |
| _StefanS_ | hey Tonio_ | 11:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: does the volume up/down work on your macbook in hardy? | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yes | 11:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: not here ;( - stuck at 0%-3%. | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I just have to change for pcm to be the default channel | 11:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ah.. | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: :/ | 11:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: in an alsa config somewhere? | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: what about the battery ? | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: do you see 2 batteries in guidance power manager ? | 11:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: 2 .. although I only have one | 11:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yes. | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: that has to be fixed | 11:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I believe it was fixed in the final kernel 2.6.24 | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | the first one is good, the second one value is completly stupid | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: ah oki | 11:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: well, ofcourse I hope that the ubuntu-kernel team is expecting to put in the final 2.6.24 kernel in hardy | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: then it should be fixed.. | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: no doubt it will | 11:12 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I'm just asking benc to be sure | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: oki :) | 11:12 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep, its going to be fixed in the kernel before release. | 11:14 |
| blizzzek | cya | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: super | 11:14 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: well. now someone doesn't think it will be the case.. :-/ | 11:15 |
| crimsun | _StefanS_: if it's present for some, it still isn't fixed for all. | 11:15 |
| crimsun | e.g., my hp pavilion | 11:16 |
| crimsun | also my thinkpad x41 | 11:16 |
| _StefanS_ | oh.. I just wrote you in #ubuntu-devel.. | 11:16 |
| _StefanS_ | crimsun: dont you just think the userspace apps need a change ? | 11:16 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: how did you change that default channel in kmix/alsa? | 11:17 |
| crimsun | _StefanS_: I don't know the ramifications of just changing such apps. | 11:17 |
| _StefanS_ | crimsun: oh ok.. I just saw the details of the patch, and it would return an empty list for one of the batteries | 11:17 |
| _StefanS_ | crimsun: (which wasn't actually a battery) | 11:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: found it... the hotkey still doesn't work btw.. | 11:19 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: 0-3% :) | 11:19 |
| crimsun | if you have one of the newer santa rosa macbooks, a lot of things are still only partially functioning | 11:20 |
| _StefanS_ | crimsun: well I have... | 11:20 |
| _StefanS_ | crimsun: led backlight works like a charm though. | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: I have the old macbook ati version | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: talking about that, what about the sound support | 11:24 |
| crimsun | _StefanS_: what's `lspci -nv|grep -A1 0403` ? | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: I remember we had a specific patch for feisty that worked much better | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: the current sound support is a bit strange, as for example the switch to headphone doesn't work correctly... | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: also left is mapped on 3D etc.... | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: isn't there a way to go back the feisty way ? I mean doing differently depending the macbook version | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: that was really better at least for my macbook... | 11:25 |
| _StefanS_ | crimsun: 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03) \n Subsystem: 17aa:20ac | 11:26 |
| * _StefanS_ wonders why mute isn't mapped either.. | 11:26 | |
| crimsun | Tonio_: please follow up with the kernel team, as I no longer care for it. | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: sure, I will. thanks | 11:28 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: no, not checked multimedia keys in hardy yet - but reports from gutsy are not all positive... :-( | 11:28 |
| crimsun | Tonio_: my personal opinion is that you can simply revert to the feisty way | 11:28 |
| Lure | Tonio_: | 11:28 |
| Lure | [09:37] <Lure> Riddell, Hobbsee: new kdepim enterprise snapshot is in my ppa, ready for upload - would be great to have this for next alpha | 11:28 |
| Lure | [ | 11:28 |
| crimsun | _StefanS_: is this on Hardy? | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: yeah, but I don't want to maintain my kernel locally :) | 11:28 |
| _StefanS_ | crimsun: yes | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: I'll submit the feisty patch eventually, to the kernel team | 11:28 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ^^^ if you have time for upload | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: url please ? I don't have your ppa configured :) | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: then I'll submit | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | or your ppa url btw :) | 11:29 |
| Lure | Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive | 11:29 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it just needs ~ppa~lureX to be removed from version | 11:29 |
| Lure | Tonio_, _StefanS_: I though that 2.5.24-5 is final (includes released version) | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: uhm, I didn't notice that.. I thought we were still on rcX.. | 11:30 |
| Lure | double battery is actual HAL issue | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: well, I still get info for both /proc and /sysfs concerning batteries through hal | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: probably.. can't we just patch it then ? | 11:31 |
| Lure | kernel exposes now /proc and /sysfs interfaces and HAL uses both | 11:31 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: kylem is on it afair, at least he was discussing proper solutioon on HAL mailing list | 11:32 |
| crimsun | Lure: 5.9 is final (and FTBFS). | 11:32 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm ok, works is in progress then.. | 11:32 |
| _StefanS_ | works/work | 11:32 |
| Lure | problem is that /sysfs is future, but it is currently lacking some features of /proc interface | 11:32 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: bug 177570 | 11:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 177570 in hal "[hardy] two batteries display when left clicking on g-p-m" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177570 | 11:33 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: look who commented the last entry :) | 11:34 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: I just wanted to hear if anything was really being done to it | 11:34 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: got some sort of overview of what needs be done on hardy? | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: not yet | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: uploading kdepim once built here :) | 11:41 |
| Lure | Tonio_: thanks! | 11:41 |
| Riddell | Lure: is that new kdepim from 3.5 branch or still from enterprise branch? | 11:42 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 11:47 | |
| mhb | the epsilon was small... but my delta beats them all. | 11:47 |
| mhb | hi | 11:47 |
| iRon | Riddell: Hi! I'm almost done with BulletproofX.. But I couldn't fully test it, because failsafeDexconf script from GDM produces broken xorg.conf script.. (bproofx from Ubuntu/GDM doesn't work for me in Hardy) | 11:48 |
| mhb | hello Hobbsee, Tonio_ , our dear Riddell and all the other friends | 11:48 |
| * Nightrose waves :) | 11:50 | |
| mhb | I've passed the hardest exam of this semester today, so if anyone wants anything from me, I'm available | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | woot! | 11:50 |
| Nightrose | wohooo | 11:50 |
| Lure | Riddell: it is from enterprise, but till said that they are practically the same | 11:50 |
| Lure | Riddell: I did not want to change to 3.5.9 branch to not cause confusion even more | 11:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: but woudl be great to get wider testing before 3.5.9 release (we should put it into announcement) | 11:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: btw, kdab will still maintain enterprise branch after 3.5.9 release, but they plan to have diff to minimum level | 11:52 |
| _StefanS_ | can we make 3.5.9 for hardy? | 11:52 |
| sebas | Enterprise branch only has features for kolab companies different, it'd make all the sense in the world to ship 3.5.9 (which has all the fixes from enterprise in kdepim) | 11:53 |
| mhb | wow, nokia buys TT? | 11:55 |
| mhb | that should be in the topic at least :o) | 11:55 |
| stdin | it is in #kde and #qt :p | 11:55 |
| mhb | you community people have it easy :o) | 11:55 |
| cheguevara | wow | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: toma has fixed kdesudo | 12:08 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: unfortunatelly I don't have access to his patch actually, so we have to wait a bit | 12:09 |
| mhb | Tonio_: okies. | 12:12 |
| mhb | Tonio_: do you know what was it? | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: not yet, I'm waiting for the patch ;) | 12:13 |
| mhb | Tonio_: okay, let's wait for him | 12:14 |
| Riddell | tonio: toma is online | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ? | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll ping him | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any idea what is the process that automounts devices in /media ? | 12:26 |
| Serega | hey | 12:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: kde 3 or 4? | 12:31 |
| Riddell | it's kded in either case I'm pretty sure | 12:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: 3 of course | 12:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm fighting with a super strange bug with ntfs-3g | 12:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: automount process seems to miss the locale, while manual mount works | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just miss the process to look at.... | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I suspect dbus, no ? | 12:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kded would miss the system locale ? | 12:32 |
| Riddell | what does locale have to do with mounting? | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ntfs-3g has a specific option so that it can deal with the system locale | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:rjiUdxmKBUQJ:www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html+ntfs-3g+%22skipping+unrepresentable+filename%22&hl=fr&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=fr&client=firefox-a | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the point is that mounting manually works in any case | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but with the automount process, on feisty I miss the words including specific caracters | 12:35 |
| Riddell | it's hal that does the actual mounting | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no issue while mounting manually of course, that's why I suspect an environment problem | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: let's looks at hal then ;) thanks for the help btw | 12:35 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: this one I think /usr/lib/hal/hal-storage-mount | 12:36 |
| mhb | _("I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave.") | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: super thanks ! | 12:37 |
| mhb | kwwii: hmm, your last mail in the -artwork sounds ... unradical | 12:40 |
| mhb | kwwii: I thought the artwork is going to change dramatically... | 12:41 |
| mhb | at least everyone reading the blueprints thought so | 12:41 |
| Riddell | that got moved to hardy+1 | 12:42 |
| mhb | hmm, too bad. | 12:43 |
| mhb | well... kubuntu will be great regardless of some gnomey artwork :o) | 12:43 |
| mhb | Riddell: any news on the hardy KDE4 CDs? | 12:45 |
| mhb | or ETA? | 12:46 |
| mhb | hmm, a lot of people is concerned about Qt now | 12:49 |
| mhb | judging by the dot.kde.org comments. | 12:50 |
| iRon | Tonio_: i've fixed already locale issue with ntfs partitions mounting | 12:50 |
| iRon | Tonio_: are you on hardy? | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: yeah but I need the fix for feisty ;) | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: one of our clients reports the issue | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: any help concerning the fix ? | 12:51 |
| iRon | Tonio_ : sure.. sec | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: that would be super :) | 12:51 |
| iRon | Tonio_: look at this http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11045065/kdebase-superfix.debdiff | 12:55 |
| iRon | Tonio_: if (medium->fsType() == "ntfs") { | 12:56 |
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| Riddell | mhb: colin was working hard on the seeds last week, since we can't edit the seeds at all in the mean time it'll be blocking alpha 3 | 12:57 |
| Riddell | iRon: great! | 12:58 |
| Lure | sebas: we will switch back with 3.5.9 release (keeping enterprise up-to-date until then) | 12:58 |
| Riddell | iRon: if bullet proof X is broken generally I guess we just wait for further testing until it gets fixed, but we can still patch kdm | 12:58 |
| sebas | Lure: Cool. | 12:59 |
| iRon | Riddell: kdm and x11-commons | 13:00 |
| iRon | *x11-common | 13:00 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: super, thank you ! | 13:07 |
| iRon | Tonio_: already patched and tested? :) | 13:07 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: no of course, currently building :) | 13:08 |
| vorian | morning :) | 13:08 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I'll ping you if that doesn't work, but hopefully that'll not be needed | 13:08 |
| iRon | Tonio_ : ok | 13:08 |
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| doc__ | hi there | 13:20 |
| === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick | ||
| Tonio_ | hi doc__ | 13:20 |
| Riddell | "Debhelper 6 in Ubuntu Hardy" time for compat updating | 13:22 |
| * Jucato resists the urge to say "eh.... wazzup doc__!" | 13:22 | |
| doc__ | jussi01: hehehe | 13:22 |
| stdin | jussi01 != Jucato ;) | 13:23 |
| Jucato | :) | 13:23 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee is dancing | 13:23 |
| jussi01 | rrrrr | 13:30 |
| mornfall | Hi. | 13:33 |
| kwwii | mhb: it will change more radically for hardy+1 | 13:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it looks according to debian that the latest patches for flash support do work | 13:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll take them and reupload | 13:49 |
| nixternal | oh wow, I get to wake up to Nokia buying Trolltech | 13:53 |
| ScottK2 | nixternal: Go back to bed. Maybe it's a dream. | 13:53 |
| nixternal | nope, it isn't a dream, it is reality! | 13:59 |
| nixternal | w00t Trolltech! | 13:59 |
| nixternal | better Nokia than Motorola | 13:59 |
| mhb | well, not everyone is optimistic about it | 14:02 |
| mhb | top brass is, but privates aren't | 14:02 |
| nixternal | no one ever is when a company is acquired | 14:02 |
| nixternal | I have been involved in business deals like this numerous times, and only once did we get screwed | 14:02 |
| nixternal | I believe Nokia has good intentions | 14:03 |
| mhb | I'm sure they are going to try and sell Qt before they dispose of it | 14:03 |
| mhb | to be honest, the Qt of today has not got a good pricing strategy | 14:03 |
| nixternal | next to MFC though, they have got to be a close 2nd | 14:04 |
| nixternal | Qt is used in a ton of large named software nowadays | 14:04 |
| mhb | nixternal: not sure what you mean | 14:04 |
| nixternal | GUI toolkits | 14:04 |
| mhb | my point is that their site doesn't really state how much Qt costs | 14:04 |
| mhb | and I'm sure they have concentrated on private deals, where price was high ... but those deals won't boost adoption much | 14:05 |
| nixternal | that's because they charge their enterprise/corporate stuff according tot he size of the job I believe | 14:05 |
| nixternal | all of Adobe is Qt, so that was a big adoption there | 14:05 |
| mhb | is it? | 14:06 |
| nixternal | yup | 14:06 |
| nixternal | Nero | 14:06 |
| mhb | hmm, not that I've seen those apps recently. | 14:06 |
| nixternal | Motorola actually uses it too | 14:06 |
| nixternal | onceo f the Ubuntu Chicago guys, his dad programs Qt stuff for cell phones | 14:06 |
| nixternal | s/onceo f/ one of | 14:06 |
| mhb | ah | 14:07 |
| nixternal | which will be interesting now | 14:07 |
| nixternal | Nokia owns Qt, and Motorola uses it | 14:07 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 14:07 |
| mhb | still, if I were to do a small-scale software app, I'd go for the cheapest product available that gets the job done. | 14:07 |
| nixternal | NASA uses Qt, I didn't know that... | 14:08 |
| mhb | I'd like to see those people adopting Qt... but I guess that Microsoft thing I've never worked with gets the job done for them. | 14:08 |
| blizzzek | google earth uses qt as well | 14:09 |
| nixternal | Walt Disney | 14:10 |
| nixternal | Samsung | 14:10 |
| nixternal | see, that will be interesting too | 14:10 |
| * mhb feels small | 14:10 | |
| mhb | compared to those mammoths | 14:10 |
| nixternal | nice, Siemens uses Qt for their HMIs | 14:11 |
| nixternal | I wish we would have been cool like that at Rockwell Automations/Allen Bradley | 14:11 |
| nixternal | We used VB and nasty clipart for our HMIs | 14:12 |
| Riddell | "all of Adobe is Qt" only one of their apps is | 14:12 |
| nixternal | I thought they switched to all of them now? | 14:13 |
| nixternal | I swore I read that somewhere | 14:13 |
| nixternal | I knew Photoshop was, and they were going to use it everywhere else | 14:13 |
| Riddell | ok, maybe I'm wrong then | 14:13 |
| mhb | hmm, is Photoshop really Qt? | 14:14 |
| xRaich[o]2x | hmm photoshop is qt? are there any plans on porting it to linux? | 14:14 |
| nixternal | ya, when you install photoshop you can see it install the qt libs | 14:14 |
| nixternal | same with nero..that is how I originally found out about it | 14:14 |
| mhb | because photoshop has real trouble with wine, and I wouldn't expect Qt to cause much trouble there. | 14:14 |
| nixternal | I was like, I know I just saw it installing Qt libraries | 14:14 |
| stdin | so you saw "Qt" and did a double take? | 14:15 |
| nixternal | hehe ya | 14:15 |
| iRon | QT = QickTime ;) | 14:15 |
| nixternal | oh man, Archbishop Christodoulos died...I bet my x-wife and her mom are upset | 14:16 |
| ScottK2 | Riddell: I'm taking a stab at the python-qt3 merge (New upstream), unless you'd rather I didn't. | 14:16 |
| Riddell | ScottK2: cool, go ahead | 14:16 |
| nixternal | hey, one good thing about Nokia/Trolltech, they are talking about it on TV | 14:19 |
| hunger | nixternal: I read one gnome blog where the guy got upset because he thinks that nokia might stop work on the gnome based maenon platform. | 14:21 |
| nixternal | would be interesting to say the least | 14:21 |
| stdin | nixternal: I bet they never mention "KDE" or "Open Source" once on the TV though | 14:21 |
| mhb | open source? what's that? | 14:21 |
| nixternal | I have only heard Ubuntu or Open Source with the Dell deal on CNBC or Bloomberg | 14:21 |
| mhb | but they say "KDE" all the time in our tv | 14:22 |
| hunger | nixternal: I bet they will be talking about freeware instead:-( | 14:22 |
| nixternal | heh | 14:22 |
| mhb | perhaps because it's an actual Czech word | 14:22 |
| nixternal | they are talking about Skype, Google Earth, and Adobe Photoshop | 14:22 |
| stdin | "KDE: freeware on kubunt-oh, for line-ux" | 14:23 |
| nixternal | wow, they bought Trolltech pretty cheap | 14:24 |
| nixternal | $153 million USD | 14:24 |
| jjesse | i thought that was 153 milliion EUROS | 14:24 |
| nixternal | 105 million euros | 14:24 |
| jjesse | oh | 14:24 |
| nixternal | 16 kroner per share, or $2.91 per share, or 2 euros per share | 14:25 |
| Riddell | what's the current trading price? | 14:25 |
| nixternal | 15.70 kroner/$2.85/1.96 euros | 14:25 |
| nixternal | they are up while nokia is down | 14:26 |
| nixternal | that always happens too...when you sell your shares blow up..that happened to use at TAVA Technologies when Real Automations from Belgium bought us out | 14:26 |
| nixternal | w00t!!!! | 14:27 |
| nixternal | they said KDE!!! | 14:27 |
| txwikinger | \o/ | 14:28 |
| nixternal | KDE 4 to be exact as the big news out of Trolltech this year for the success of KDE 4 | 14:28 |
| nixternal | and they said Linux correctly :p | 14:28 |
| nixternal | but the guy who is doing the interviewing though is a tech analyst and was a Red Hat guy back when them and VA Linux blew up back in the day | 14:29 |
| nixternal | CNBC rocks! I think I will stop watching bloomberg now | 14:29 |
| * txwikinger only gets the boring EU Version | 14:30 | |
| nixternal | heh, they said GNU/Linux, BSD, and Free Software | 14:30 |
| xRaich[o]2x | wow | 14:30 |
| nixternal | you know the guy doing the talking is a geek | 14:30 |
| nixternal | bah, commercial | 14:30 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: your patch doesn't seem to work for me :/ | 14:31 |
| xRaich[o]2x | obviously. only a geek would say "GNU/Linux" ^^ | 14:31 |
| nixternal | they will talk more at about noon when they do the technology sector again...this is nice, first time it isn't microsoft this and apple that | 14:31 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I just installed the required patched kdebase packages, but it fails.... strange...... | 14:31 |
| iRon | Tonio_: fails? or doesn't works? | 14:31 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: no change, I still can't see the french specific chars.... | 14:32 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: any idea how to debug this ? | 14:32 |
| iRon | Tonio_: have you restarted kded and konqueror? | 14:32 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I rebooted | 14:32 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: manual mount still works, so I don't understand.... | 14:32 |
| Tonio_ | I must say I don't understand | 14:33 |
| iRon | Tonio_: ok.. there could be another problem. on hardy there is only ntfs-3g.. but in feisty as i remember there are ntfs and ntfs-3g ? | 14:33 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I only have ntfs-3g installed | 14:34 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: and a simple manual mount command works | 14:34 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I suspect there is still something wrong with kmediamanager, but what ? | 14:34 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: is there a way to trace what kded does on that point ? | 14:34 |
| iRon | Tonio_: i know that simple mount works.. :) | 14:34 |
| iRon | Tonio_: and this patch has fixed locale issue for me.. | 14:35 |
| iRon | Tonio_: i'm thinking... | 14:35 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: hum could LC_ALL be empty ? | 14:35 |
| iRon | yep | 14:35 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: fsLocale += setlocale(LC_ALL, ""); | 14:36 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: that I don't understand, you push an empty value ? | 14:36 |
| iRon | Tonio_: so, LC_ALL must be not empty :) | 14:38 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: bah on my hardy system LC_ALL seems to be empty btw, and it works :) | 14:39 |
| iRon | Tonio_: i'm not on my working kubuntu now.. | 14:39 |
| Tonio_ | okay I'll try to chck by myself | 14:39 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: thanks for the help in any case | 14:39 |
| mhb | Tonio_: got the patch yet? | 14:39 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: toonight :) | 14:40 |
| mhb | sure | 14:40 |
| mhb | I'll be away for an hour, but then again available | 14:40 |
| mhb | feel free to ping me once you have it | 14:40 |
| mhb | I can have another hacking session this evening | 14:41 |
| nixternal | OK, who here has the ultimate "I feel like crap" remedy? | 14:41 |
| nixternal | one thing I learned from being in the military and traveling all over Europe, if I ever felt like crap, Europeans had a remedy that knocked it out | 14:41 |
| Riddell | Irn Bru! | 14:42 |
| nixternal | hehe | 14:42 |
| mhb | well that's not european | 14:42 |
| nixternal | I should have seen that one coming | 14:43 |
| ScottK2 | nixternal: With enough coffee, you can get through anything. | 14:43 |
| mhb | those isles think they can be a part of USA on Monday and part of Europe on Tuesday :o) | 14:43 |
| nixternal | I am double fisting | 14:43 |
| nixternal | coffee and tea | 14:43 |
| nixternal | tea and honey to be exact | 14:43 |
| nixternal | lol | 14:43 |
| nixternal | ScottK2: you watching the State of the Union tonight? | 14:44 |
| nixternal | for once, I would love to see Bushie go, "I am reporting on the state of the union tonight, and it sucks!" | 14:44 |
| ScottK2 | nixternal: Hadn't planned on it. Watching politicians on TV raises my blood pressure. Doesn't matter much whice party it is. | 14:44 |
| nixternal | lol | 14:45 |
| mhb | so who do you want for president? Klaus or Švejnar? :o) | 14:47 |
| mhb | (two czech candidates for presidency, by the way) | 14:48 |
| mhb | (czech presidency) | 14:48 |
| * ScottK2 guessed. | 14:48 | |
| ScottK2 | Does it matter (from your perspective) - Often all the politicians are the same. | 14:48 |
| mhb | yeah, they're both white and male, booring | 14:48 |
| mhb | and straight | 14:48 |
| nixternal | hahahahah | 14:48 |
| nixternal | gahahahahhaha | 14:48 |
| jjesse | gerald ford was the only president who said the state of union is no good | 14:48 |
| nixternal | holy smokes, that was classic right there | 14:48 |
| nixternal | jjesse: ya, I remember that | 14:49 |
| nixternal | well not personally, but you get the point :) | 14:49 |
| jjesse | quote "I must say to you that the statoe of the union is not good" | 14:50 |
| Riddell | has that ever happened? | 14:50 |
| jjesse | has what ever happend? | 14:50 |
| txwikinger | what did Carter ever say? | 14:51 |
| Riddell | in the state of the union speach the US president says "well, it's not good" | 14:51 |
| jjesse | Riddell: yes Gerald Ford, 1975 | 14:51 |
| jjesse | http://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/speeches/750028.htm | 14:52 |
| * txwikinger remembers Carter never noticed all those lines at the pumps | 14:52 | |
| * txwikinger also remember Sundays for which nobody was allowed to drive cars | 14:53 | |
| * Hobbsee declares victory | 14:53 | |
| ScottK2 | Riddell: I've got a python-qt question for you... Both qt3 and qt4 ship a pyqtconfig. Neither seems to be available in $PYTHONPATH. The new eric FTBFS as a result. Debian exposes one (haven't checked which), so it builds. Any thoughts on how to go forward on fixing this? (Note: I've not checked with the new upstream I'm merging yet - just looking if this is a known Kubuntu design decision) | 14:53 |
| Riddell | ScottK2: it's not a known Kubuntu design decision | 14:55 |
| ScottK2 | Riddell: Thanks. | 14:55 |
| * ScottK2 will dig into it then. | 14:55 | |
| * nixternal goes and lays down...this feeling like crap thing sucks | 14:56 | |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: heh. i could have told you that long ago! | 14:56 |
| ScottK2 | nixternal: More coffee | 14:57 |
| ScottK2 | Speak of which... brb. | 14:57 |
| iRon | Tonio_: could you mount your ntfs partition with mount command and with kmediamanager, and check if realy ntfs-3g used in both cases? | 15:01 |
| Tonio_ | sure | 15:02 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: yep ntfs-3g is used..... | 15:03 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I looked at the environment kded is working, LANG is set.... | 15:04 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I'm rebuilding with some debug in your patch to check what happens | 15:04 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I wonder if the no-media-ioslave patches can cause the issue | 15:04 |
| iRon | Tonio_: then please try to change QString fsLocale("locale="); with QString fsLocale("nls="); | 15:05 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: what would be the difference ? | 15:05 |
| iRon | Tonio_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_Mount_NTFS_Partitions | 15:05 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: reading | 15:06 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I see no reason that this would be different between feisty and hardy/gutsy btw | 15:09 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: locale is a ntfs-3g specific option while nls is for mount right ? | 15:09 |
| iRon | Tonio_: ntfs-3g is the same on feisty and hardy? | 15:10 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I backported | 15:10 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: bah I'm going to test with the debug and see what happened.... I don't want to waste your time :) | 15:11 |
| iRon | Tonio_: you don't need to debug.. you could play with dbus-send command first to figure out correct parameters | 15:12 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I wonder if the fstype shouldn't be ntfs-3g ? | 15:13 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: how to check this ? | 15:14 |
| iRon | Tonio_: oh.. yeah.. on feisty it could be ntfs and ntfs-3g | 15:15 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I'll try to add a double if then | 15:15 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: what defines the name of the fs ? the kernel directly ? | 15:16 |
| Tonio_ | dbus ? | 15:16 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: with a backported ntfs-3g I suspected the fs to have the same name.... | 15:16 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: and last but not least, is there a way to request hal for the fs of a device ? | 15:16 |
| * Tonio_ knows not much about hal | 15:17 | |
| Tonio_ | hal-device -> it is ntfs-3g | 15:17 |
| iRon | Tonio_: "medium" variable in code is initialized from HAL settings | 15:18 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I know how to fix now ;) | 15:19 |
| iRon | Tonio_: you could override fs type setting when calling org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.Mount | 15:19 |
| Tonio_ | thanks a lot, I'll just check for ntfs and ntfs-3g | 15:19 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: hum oki | 15:20 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: then the string value for the fs type is set by dbus ? | 15:20 |
| iRon | Tonio_: with dbus you could override it | 15:21 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: yeah, that seems to be my problem | 15:21 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: I'll fix that, and MANY thanks for your help ;) | 15:21 |
| iRon | Tonio_: yw! | 15:21 |
| mornfall | Afternoon. | 15:25 |
| Riddell | mornfall: sorry I havn't got to testing the new adept today, it's on my (lengthy) todo | 15:32 |
| mornfall | No problem. I won't have much adept time till friday, so if I have feedback near the end of the week, that should be fine. | 15:33 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: hey, can you please drop latest dragonplayer in gutsy-backports? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dragonplayer | 16:06 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: have you tested it? does it work? | 16:06 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: yep, testbuilt on my in-kde4-drowning laptop ;-) | 16:07 |
| Riddell | "I: Building backport of dragonplayer-1.99~beta1 as 1.99~beta1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 ... E: execution of 'dpkg-genchanges -S -sa -v1.99~beta1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1' failed with return code 255." | 16:09 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: something broke in the backport script | 16:09 |
| apachelogger_ | d'oh! | 16:15 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: well, it's in the ppa for now | 16:15 |
| ScottK2 | Riddell: Bug #186668 is ready for review/upload. | 16:23 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 186668 in python-qt3 "Please merge python-qt3 3.17.4-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186668 | 16:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: suse has these interesting patches to fix the kde3/4 launching issue http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde4-applications.diff | 16:26 |
| Riddell | http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde3-applications.diff | 16:26 |
| Riddell | first patch is for KDE 3, second for KDE 4 | 16:26 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: will have a look later on | 16:28 |
| * apachelogger_ is kinda busy with a school project :S | 16:29 | |
| ScottK2 | Riddell: The new python-qt3 solves my pyqtconfig problem, so I'll be able to sync the new eric in once that's uploaded. | 16:29 |
| Riddell | ScottK2: do we still need to move that pyqtconfig.py bit in debian/rules? | 16:37 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Not sure. It works as is. | 16:46 |
| ScottK | I can look into it some more, but I'm not very familiar with why kde-guidance needed it moved. | 16:47 |
| Riddell | ScottK: oh, it's because it's in python-qt3 not python-qt3-dev | 16:47 |
| Riddell | no I don't remember either now, but it did break without it | 16:47 |
| ScottK | OK. I vote we don't break it again. ;-) | 16:48 |
| Riddell | "it is needed for mountconfig from kde-guidance" apparantly | 16:48 |
| ScottK2 | Maybe the best answer (not today) is to fix kde-guidance not to need it. | 16:49 |
| mhb | evening my dears | 16:52 |
| mhb | Tonio_: hacking time yet? | 16:59 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: nope I'm at work, unfortunatelly :) | 17:03 |
| mhb | Tonio_: but I can work on it, if you have the patch | 17:03 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: I'll do what's needed as soon as I have the patch, don't worry :) | 17:09 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: I don't :/ | 17:12 |
| mhb | Tonio_: okay. | 17:12 |
| mhb | Tonio_: looking forward to it | 17:12 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: ;) | 17:13 |
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| Tonio_ | iRon: your patch worked with a s/ntfs/ntfs-3g | 17:53 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: once again thanks | 17:53 |
| toma | ah Tonio_! | 17:53 |
| Tonio_ | hey ! | 17:53 |
| toma | let me get that patch | 17:53 |
| Tonio_ | toma: super, thanks ! | 17:53 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: ping ? :) | 17:53 |
| Riddell | ScottK2: pyqt3 uploaded, thanks | 17:53 |
| mhb | Tonio_: here | 17:54 |
| mhb | Tonio_: can you commit it? | 17:54 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: sure | 17:54 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: I'll be at home very late all the week so don't expect me to work on kdesudo-kde4 except between 12 h and 14 h... | 17:54 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: and on friday of course | 17:55 |
| toma | Tonio_: i couldn't manage to get tabs in my vi, but you will manage; here it is: http://rafb.net/p/t41Xvi31.html | 17:55 |
| iRon | Tonio_: once again yw :) | 17:57 |
| Tonio_ | toma: commiting the patch, many thanks ! | 17:57 |
| toma | yw | 17:58 |
| nixternal | OK, I have been studying this whole Trolltech/Nokia deal and now I am asking myself, Why? Was it to make money off of Motorola, Panasonic, and others? Very fishy | 17:59 |
| yuriy | what deal? | 18:00 |
| nixternal | Nokia purchased trolltech today | 18:00 |
| yuriy | whoa | 18:00 |
| yuriy | whaaat | 18:00 |
| yuriy | that can't be good | 18:00 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: commited | 18:01 |
| nixternal | at first I thought "yes", but after reading up on mobile development, and Nokias lack of use for Qt, it got me wondering the same | 18:01 |
| yuriy | why would it be good? | 18:01 |
| yuriy | also $150m sounds pretty cheap | 18:01 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I'm really surprised cause I'm pretty sure I tested that solution | 18:01 |
| Tonio_ | toma: maybe I did it the wrong way.... | 18:02 |
| nixternal | Motorola, Panasonic, and other big cell manufacturers use Qt, so by Nokia purchasing it, they now have a ground to attack these other companies with | 18:02 |
| Tonio_ | toma: if you say it works, for sure I didn't do it correctly ;) | 18:02 |
| Riddell | nixternal: nobody knows but I'd expect Qtopia is more interesting to them than Qt | 18:02 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: concerning the writestdin missing, according to toma a prinf should do the trick..... simply :) | 18:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah I was thinking the same | 18:03 |
| nixternal | Riddell: ya, I meant Qtopia and not Qt | 18:03 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks for the python-qt3 upload. | 18:03 |
| Riddell | ScottK: thanks for the merge :) | 18:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: they want to stop with symbian as they maintain it alone mostly, and with google and linux coming on cellphones, qtopia is probably their new target :) | 18:03 |
| nixternal | the good thing is the financial backing though | 18:03 |
| nixternal | marketing as well | 18:03 |
| toma | Tonio_: i worked with the api before, so I had some advantage | 18:07 |
| Tonio_ | toma: hehe | 18:07 |
| toma | Tonio_: adding debug statements helps to determine what's going though | 18:08 |
| Tonio_ | toma: sure :) | 18:14 |
| toma | Tonio_: oh, and i don't know if sudo is localised, but you might want to prepend the call with something like LC_ALL=C | 18:26 |
| Tonio_ | toma: it isn't, but yeah that might not be bad btw :) | 18:27 |
| mhb | Tonio_: yes, that's a good suggestion | 18:31 |
| mhb | Tonio_: I've filed a bug in the sudo bugzilla about l10n, they are going to fix that sometime | 18:31 |
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| fdoving | hi. | 19:11 |
| nixternal | howdy fdoving | 19:16 |
| nixternal | anyone else having problems with the daily cd images? | 19:17 |
| nixternal | they are dying on drive partitioning for me | 19:17 |
| nixternal | something about not being able to remove 2 files or something | 19:18 |
| ScottK2 | nixternal: Obviously you don't want it bad enough. | 19:27 |
| nixternal | lol | 19:27 |
| nixternal | trying to install Ubuntu and Kubuntu, and neither are liking me right now | 19:29 |
| nixternal | guess I will just go with the alpha | 19:29 |
| toma | Riddell: what was that mail client's name you are using? | 19:33 |
| nixternal | Alpine | 19:34 |
| toma | ah. | 19:34 |
| toma | not available for angstrom | 19:39 |
| nixternal | toma: what version is Mailody going to be for KDE 4? I forgot all about the website update and want to put it up right now | 19:42 |
| nixternal | and you are still planning on it being completed by KDE 4.1 correct? | 19:42 |
| toma | yes | 19:43 |
| toma | we are now at 0.5.0 | 19:43 |
| toma | so, 0.7.0 ? | 19:43 |
| nixternal | OK | 19:43 |
| toma | fdoving: ^ ? | 19:43 |
| nixternal | new features besides adaptation of Akonadi? | 19:44 |
| ScottK | Is Kubuntu doing anything with policykit or is that just Ubuntu? | 19:45 |
| Riddell | ScottK: it's an upstream issue, KDE badly needs someone to implement it | 19:47 |
| Riddell | ScottK: since right now you can't use root in kcontrol modules at all | 19:48 |
| ScottK | Ah. OK. | 19:48 |
| Lure | Riddell: is this issue for kde4 only or also for kde3? | 19:49 |
| Riddell | Lure: kde 4 only | 19:49 |
| Lure | Riddell: kde3 will stay with kdesudo? | 19:49 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes | 19:49 |
| mhb | Lure: why not? | 19:51 |
| mhb | do you have anything against it? | 19:51 |
| Lure | mhb: no, just want to understand what is planned to be done | 19:51 |
| mhb | KDE4 may go with kdesudo, too | 19:51 |
| mhb | depends on how fast can we package it | 19:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: can we just not patch system settings with kdesudo (after kde4 port)? | 19:51 |
| Lure | mhb: exactly | 19:52 |
| Riddell | Lure: I think you misunderstand, the kcontrol library has had any ability to have root UIs taken out of it | 19:52 |
| Riddell | it's not a kdesu vs kdesudo issue | 19:52 |
| Riddell | they got taken out so someone could implement policykit | 19:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: oh, they ripped that out in kde4? | 19:52 |
| Riddell | which nobody has | 19:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: do you have any plans when kde4 cd's will be built on regular basis (daily)? | 19:57 |
| iRon | Riddell: may be we should start at least with policykit integration? i could research on this... and try to implement policykit stuff for "users disk mounting" in kde4.. | 19:58 |
| Riddell | Lure: asap, it's still blocked on colin changing the seed layouts (but so is alpha 3) | 19:58 |
| Riddell | iRon: it can't be done for just one module, it needs to be added to the kcontrol classes in kdelibs (then add it for each module that needs it) | 19:59 |
| Riddell | iRon: I doubt it'll be easy, but if you want to get into elite kdelibs hacking, that's a feature that's badly needed | 19:59 |
| iRon | Riddell: i've already played with policykit api.. | 20:00 |
| Riddell | hmm, hadn't thought about "users disk mounting", that's not kcontrol but it would benefit from policykit, although it should probably be hal using it | 20:00 |
| Riddell | iRon: that's more than I have :) | 20:01 |
| * ScottK designates iRon the Kubuntu lead developer for policykit integration due to his superior experience and knowledge. | 20:02 | |
| iRon | :) | 20:02 |
| ScottK | You think I'm kidding, right? | 20:02 |
| iRon | i'm even not a member of any kubuntu-* team :( | 20:02 |
| ScottK | You're here. You've got a ticket to the ball. | 20:03 |
| * ScottK cares more about running code than paperwork. | 20:03 | |
| Riddell | iRon: turn up to the next meeting and ask | 20:04 |
| iRon | Riddell: ok | 20:04 |
| Riddell | iRon: well, write a wiki page first of course | 20:04 |
| iRon | Riddell: yep.. what about policykit wiki page? | 20:05 |
| iRon | Riddell: we could create it too.. | 20:05 |
| cheguevara | doesn't policykit needs to be implemented in kdm | 20:06 |
| Riddell | iRon: I ment make yourself a wiki page before applying for membership | 20:07 |
| Riddell | cheguevara: that's consolekit, and we have a patch for it | 20:07 |
| cheguevara | thats consolekit actually | 20:07 |
| cheguevara | yeah just realised that myself | 20:07 |
| cheguevara | but what about kdm-kde4? | 20:07 |
| Riddell | I don't think we've added it but it's available | 20:08 |
| mornfall | Yo. | 20:23 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: nalioth is about now. | 20:25 |
| Nightrose | nixternal: owwwww :( /me sends a nice hot cup of tea over to Chicago | 20:26 |
| nixternal | I have drank so much tea today | 20:27 |
| nixternal | I am half way through a bottle of honey too | 20:27 |
| Nightrose | :/ | 20:27 |
| Nightrose | then you should probably go to bed and sleep | 20:28 |
| cheguevara | and dream of nokia pouring loads of money in QT | 20:30 |
| cheguevara | like thats gonna happen | 20:30 |
| nixternal | no more sleep | 20:33 |
| nixternal | I am wrapped up like a burrito trying to sweat this out | 20:33 |
| * ryanakca cheers at being off all week :) | 20:37 | |
| ryanakca | nixternal: sick? | 20:37 |
| nixternal | just a bit | 20:38 |
| ryanakca | heh | 20:39 |
| mhb | hey ryanakca | 20:42 |
| mhb | how was your exam? | 20:42 |
| ryanakca | mhb: not too bad... I ran out of time, so my conclusion is basically a big long line with bumps for 'm' and 'n' and 'r' and random breaks :) | 20:43 |
| ryanakca | mhb: yours? pass? | 20:44 |
| mornfall | What now. | 20:44 |
| mhb | ryanakca: sure, had a 2 (second best grade, second worst grade) | 20:44 |
| mhb | ryanakca: we've got 1(best),2,3 and bye bye. | 20:44 |
| nixternal | haha, and bye bye | 20:46 |
| ryanakca | lol | 20:48 |
| ryanakca | mhb: grats :D | 20:48 |
| ryanakca | mhb: its the oposite here... 4,3,2,1,R1,R2,R3... | 20:49 |
| ryanakca | the R1-3 are just to let you know how much you fail... all of them are < 50% | 20:50 |
| ryanakca | s/oposite/opposite/ | 20:50 |
| ryanakca | but they're fail none the less | 20:51 |
| * ryanakca considers packaging BASIC-256 | 20:51 | |
| nixternal | who asked the question in the Nokia/Trolltech audiocast? | 20:53 |
| nixternal | the 2nd question was for Kubuntu/KDE :) | 20:54 |
| ryanakca | what was it? | 20:54 |
| nixternal | just asking if they are planning on continuing with KDE and what not, which of course is yes | 20:54 |
| ryanakca | lol :) | 20:54 |
| nixternal | but they are planning on bringing Qt, not Qtopia to their cell phones | 20:55 |
| nixternal | r40, s60, and the n8xx will eventually be Qt :) | 20:55 |
| nixternal | Kubuntu on a n810? :) | 20:56 |
| ryanakca | eh? | 20:56 |
| * ryanakca tries to compress 'Easy to use version of BASIC designed to teach young children the basics of programming.' into 60 characters | 20:57 | |
| nixternal | KTurtle! | 20:57 |
| mhb | ryanakca: what type of exam was it? | 20:58 |
| mhb | ryanakca: m,n,r ... are those variables? | 20:58 |
| ryanakca | mhb: french exam | 20:58 |
| ryanakca | m,n,r ? | 20:58 |
| ryanakca | answer questions about a "fable" (english equivalent = ?) for half an hour, and then write an essay on a random subject for the rest of the time | 20:59 |
| mhb | ah, lovely | 20:59 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| ryanakca | nixternal: KTurtle uses LOGO, right? And LOGO is simillar to what language? | 21:01 |
| mhb | it's unique | 21:01 |
| hads | LOGO is LOGO; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_(programming_language) | 21:02 |
| ryanakca | wow | 21:05 |
| * ryanakca is having fun moving his turtle around in circles :) | 21:05 | |
| ryanakca | wow, its ancient... 1967... | 21:05 |
| mhb | C is 1972, Lisp 1958 | 21:18 |
| * ryanakca wonders if http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ is any good... theory behind the programming. | 21:18 | |
| mhb | sure is | 21:19 |
| jdong | ryanakca: it's one of the best | 21:20 |
| jdong | ryanakca: but then again, I am biased :) | 21:20 |
| jdong | ryanakca: Hal cuts me paychecks ;-) | 21:20 |
| ryanakca | lol | 21:20 |
| ryanakca | Hal? MIT person? | 21:20 |
| jdong | ryanakca: yeah, founder of the MIT EECS dept :) | 21:21 |
| ryanakca | lol | 21:21 |
| jdong | been on the FSF chair before, I believe | 21:21 |
| * ryanakca wonders if the local bookstore has a printed copy... I hate reading huge amounts of text on the computer | 21:21 | |
| ryanakca | wow, not too bad... 34% off (53.79 vs 81.50)... might go in and look at it | 21:23 |
| mhb | ryanakca: get used to it | 21:24 |
| ryanakca | used to what? | 21:24 |
| ryanakca | incredibly high book prices for anything non-fiction? | 21:24 |
| mhb | ryanakca: it's the best way to pass a computer science uni | 21:24 |
| ryanakca | ah :) | 21:25 |
| mhb | especially if your uni has less books than students | 21:25 |
| ryanakca | heh, this side of the pond, students have to buy their own books | 21:25 |
| mhb | well we should do it, too | 21:27 |
| ryanakca | Hmm... class of 1922? if he was 20 at the time, he's what? 106? | 21:28 |
| jpatrick | ryanakca: we also do... | 21:34 |
| * ryanakca grumbles at KMail-kde3 not working under KDE4 | 21:39 | |
| jpatrick | ryanakca: usa alpine! | 21:40 |
| jpatrick | use* | 21:40 |
| yuriy | ryanakca: really? i haven't had any trouble yet | 21:40 |
| yuriy | probably a hardy thing | 21:41 |
| * yuriy reconsiders upgrading | 21:41 | |
| toma | ryanakca: using the same $KDEDIR ? | 21:41 |
| ryanakca | toma: it complains that kwallet isn't running, and then that it can't connect to dcop, and then that it can't start the pop3 process | 21:41 |
| * ryanakca checks | 21:41 | |
| ryanakca | Could not start process pop3s. | 21:43 |
| toma | no idea then | 21:43 |
| ryanakca | toma: in krunner, "sh -c 'KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde && export $KDEDIR && kmail'" ? | 21:43 |
| ScottK2 | IIRC we'll have a whole 'nother kdepim after 3.5.9 gets released, so no need to get to excited about kdepim right now. | 21:44 |
| * ryanakca decides to use alpine to check his backlogged email | 21:44 | |
| toma | ryanakca: i meant kdehome | 21:45 |
| ryanakca | toma: don't see anything about kdehome in 'env | grep -i home' | 21:48 |
| toma | good | 21:48 |
| toma | as i said, no idea what that problem is, should work | 21:49 |
| ryanakca | heh, oh well, I've almost got alpine set up :) | 21:51 |
| jpatrick | ryanakca: whatever you do; do NOT use it's filters | 21:52 |
| ryanakca | jpatrick: okies :) | 21:55 |
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| jpatrick | ryanakca: basically speaking... they suck | 21:56 |
| * jpatrick does it all though gmail | 21:57 | |
| === rouzic is now known as rouzic_ausente | ||
| === nivek_ is now known as nivek | ||
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