[00:06] w00t, a new plasma theme already, and I must say, it rocks [00:09] nixternal: screenshot? [00:09] ivan put it on kde-look.org already === uga is now known as uga|away === _czessi is now known as Czessi === sebas_ is now known as sebas [07:17] http://linuxfire.com.cn/~freeflying/pic/kdecn.png wallpaper for Chinese Spring Festival === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:34] Okey, alpha2 built. Get it at https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive and give it a go, if you've got time. Mind the instructions. Off to Brno, see ya later. [08:37] wowzers, http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-01-28.4605718236 [08:37] Riddell, Hobbsee: new kdepim enterprise snapshot is in my ppa, ready for upload - would be great to have this for next alpha [08:38] no obvious regression here (just bug fixes) and this is what is planned to be released in 3.5.9 [08:38] merge between 3.5.9 and enterprise is now complete [09:02] in ~13 mins there will be a live audiocast from Nokia on their proposed acquisition of Trollteck http://www.nokia.com/press [09:07] stdin: that is interesting! [09:07] Lure: thought I'd mention it ;) [09:07] you want intersting? hang out in #qt and watch the sparks fly :) [09:08] I've already had more than a few highlights from #qt :p [09:08] <_StefanS_> stdin, Lure: what are they discussing ? [09:08] * Lure joined #qt [09:08] _StefanS_: http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1185531 [09:09] http://trolltech.com/28012008/28012008-letter <-- open letter. webpage: http://trolltech.com/28012008/28012008 [09:09] <_StefanS_> argh. [09:10] hi [09:10] <_StefanS_> continue to honor kde open source blahblah.. yeah and for how long. [09:14] it might be interesting what does this means for gnome-embedded/maemo [09:14] I suspect they will still support both (qtopia and maemo) [09:15] <_StefanS_> I think they will go qtopia since they own it by then... and can take it in any direction they want [09:15] any "open source" direction I hope :) [09:16] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well.. when you start having trouble finding the free downloads on qt side, its time to switch to another gui toolkit ;) [09:16] <_StefanS_> side/site [09:16] that's the scary part :( [09:16] <_StefanS_> yup. [09:17] <_StefanS_> its something that got increasingly hard on mysql.com for instance in the past years. [09:17] _StefanS_: I doubt they will close it [09:17] they have opened maemo [09:17] even if Qt went proprietary, this is a clause in the license that lets KDE take control of the latest open source version (as I understand it) [09:18] stdin: correct [09:18] there's a loophole.. or something [09:18] <_StefanS_> yep. for now. [09:18] <_StefanS_> but lets see, we might be surprised. [09:19] <_StefanS_> not meaning to be all negative :) [09:19] <_StefanS_> btw., shouldn't we make knetworkmanager load automatically in kde4? [09:19] <_StefanS_> even if its the knm from kde 3.x [09:19] The agreement only takes effect if Trolltech (or Nokia) stops releasing Qt with an open source license [09:20] what if Qt is still released as GPL.. but no longer really for X11? [09:21] <_StefanS_> donno, we'll have to see... [09:21] in that case, the FreeQt agreement won't take effect I think [09:34] Jucato: they will continue GPL version (from audicast) [09:35] Jucato: Qt will be used on phones, while Maemo/GNOME will stay where it is [09:35] Lure: it's not really the license that bothers me... it's the focus of development... they can keep Qt and Qtopia GPL but let the X11 part decay [09:35] Jucato: with 5000 customers paying subscription I do not thin they can afford this [09:36] yes, they are not that many interested in X11, but still it is money coming in [09:36] now there is question about linux [09:36] that's what I'm worried about.. I guess it's no secret that Nokia is really more focused on mobile platforms [09:37] heh "lineux" [09:37] stdin: ;-) [09:37] lie-nuks [09:39] kubunt-oh :p [09:39] kde/kubutnu question! [09:39] shit, I lost audio... :-( [09:39] that's my question!! [09:39] Jucato: great [09:39] Lure: I opened it in mplayer [09:39] "rtsp://rms1.netvision.de/encoder/ca4d16f0646f29c1122f3d6a46717166_c69f08af042cc8d89142792771ffd1c5.rm?timestamp=0124d399f20868211d56af4bc601d840&xtnd=.rm" [09:40] seems more stable than in a browser [09:40] wow audio just died after my question got answered :) [09:40] hahah ok [09:40] Jucato: what was the answer? [09:41] I think it was Eirik or Haavard who answered. they'll still continue developing Qt/X11 in full force [09:41] the audio seems to die every now and then, I think it somehow actually crashes mplayer [09:42] haven't had a crash. I think the silence was more from the phone line being dropped [09:42] :) [09:42] although using firefox :P [09:43] FF crashed twice, and I think mozilla-mplayer crashed a couple times [09:44] Nokia "promises" to continue TT's current development efforts... [09:45] * stdin feels reassured by a "promise" from Nokia... [09:45] it all boils down to how much you like/hate Nokia [09:45] * blizzzek as well... [09:45] the feedback/outlook in #qt isn't really that good :) [09:46] Nokia = big company, a "promise" that isn't a legal contract is worth "NULL" [09:47] nokia closes a factury in germany despite clear profit >7 billion € → they do everything to maximize profit [09:48] well, you it's no secret that it's a for-profit company :) [09:48] -you [09:49] Jucato: one can go over the top... [09:50] now to monitor planet gnome to see how the feet people react :) [09:52] http://www.opensource.nokia.com/contributions.html sure has a lot of gnome bits on it [09:53] stdin: well, they did say they're still going to support (probably even focus) on Maemo for their IT's [09:53] (internet tablets) [09:57] well, I think I'll go get some breakfast while I digest the news [09:59] * blizzzek munches carrots [10:10] <_StefanS_> Lure: have you looked at the volume up/down keys on the thinkpads in hardy ? [10:10] <_StefanS_> Lure: Mine doesn't work, so I dont know if we need another dcop-xmodmap-kmilo kind of thing. [10:25] good: Qt will be used on a lot of mobile phones and will continue to be developed [10:26] bad: probably no more or little "revolutions" to expect from Trolltech/Nokia which would further the cause of free software [10:26] neutral: existing advantages are being kept [10:27] overall, worst KDE news in a long time imho [10:27] that depends on how much Nokia will try to control TT's development processes... which they said they won't touch much.. [10:27] jpetso: depends on who you ask :) [10:28] Jucato: myself, of course. personal judgement, not intended to extend to other people [10:51] hey [10:52] hey :) [11:06] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ [11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: does the volume up/down work on your macbook in hardy? [11:06] _StefanS_: yes [11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not here ;( - stuck at 0%-3%. [11:07] _StefanS_: I just have to change for pcm to be the default channel [11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah.. [11:07] _StefanS_: :/ [11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: in an alsa config somewhere? [11:07] _StefanS_: what about the battery ? [11:07] _StefanS_: do you see 2 batteries in guidance power manager ? [11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: 2 .. although I only have one [11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes. [11:07] _StefanS_: that has to be fixed [11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I believe it was fixed in the final kernel 2.6.24 [11:08] the first one is good, the second one value is completly stupid [11:08] _StefanS_: ah oki [11:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, ofcourse I hope that the ubuntu-kernel team is expecting to put in the final 2.6.24 kernel in hardy [11:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: then it should be fixed.. [11:12] _StefanS_: no doubt it will [11:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm just asking benc to be sure [11:12] _StefanS_: oki :) [11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, its going to be fixed in the kernel before release. [11:14] cya [11:14] _StefanS_: super [11:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well. now someone doesn't think it will be the case.. :-/ [11:15] _StefanS_: if it's present for some, it still isn't fixed for all. [11:16] e.g., my hp pavilion [11:16] also my thinkpad x41 [11:16] <_StefanS_> oh.. I just wrote you in #ubuntu-devel.. [11:16] <_StefanS_> crimsun: dont you just think the userspace apps need a change ? [11:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: how did you change that default channel in kmix/alsa? [11:17] _StefanS_: I don't know the ramifications of just changing such apps. [11:17] <_StefanS_> crimsun: oh ok.. I just saw the details of the patch, and it would return an empty list for one of the batteries [11:17] <_StefanS_> crimsun: (which wasn't actually a battery) [11:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: found it... the hotkey still doesn't work btw.. [11:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: 0-3% :) [11:20] if you have one of the newer santa rosa macbooks, a lot of things are still only partially functioning [11:20] <_StefanS_> crimsun: well I have... [11:20] <_StefanS_> crimsun: led backlight works like a charm though. [11:23] crimsun: I have the old macbook ati version [11:24] crimsun: talking about that, what about the sound support [11:24] _StefanS_: what's `lspci -nv|grep -A1 0403` ? [11:24] crimsun: I remember we had a specific patch for feisty that worked much better [11:24] crimsun: the current sound support is a bit strange, as for example the switch to headphone doesn't work correctly... [11:25] crimsun: also left is mapped on 3D etc.... [11:25] crimsun: isn't there a way to go back the feisty way ? I mean doing differently depending the macbook version [11:25] crimsun: that was really better at least for my macbook... [11:26] <_StefanS_> crimsun: 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03) \n Subsystem: 17aa:20ac [11:26] * _StefanS_ wonders why mute isn't mapped either.. [11:27] Tonio_: please follow up with the kernel team, as I no longer care for it. [11:28] crimsun: sure, I will. thanks [11:28] _StefanS_: no, not checked multimedia keys in hardy yet - but reports from gutsy are not all positive... :-( [11:28] Tonio_: my personal opinion is that you can simply revert to the feisty way [11:28] Tonio_: [11:28] [09:37] Riddell, Hobbsee: new kdepim enterprise snapshot is in my ppa, ready for upload - would be great to have this for next alpha [11:28] [ [11:28] _StefanS_: is this on Hardy? [11:28] crimsun: yeah, but I don't want to maintain my kernel locally :) [11:28] <_StefanS_> crimsun: yes [11:28] crimsun: I'll submit the feisty patch eventually, to the kernel team [11:28] Tonio_: ^^^ if you have time for upload [11:28] Lure: url please ? I don't have your ppa configured :) [11:29] Lure: then I'll submit [11:29] or your ppa url btw :) [11:29] Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive [11:29] Tonio_: it just needs ~ppa~lureX to be removed from version [11:30] Tonio_, _StefanS_: I though that 2.5.24-5 is final (includes released version) [11:30] <_StefanS_> Lure: uhm, I didn't notice that.. I thought we were still on rcX.. [11:31] double battery is actual HAL issue [11:31] <_StefanS_> Lure: well, I still get info for both /proc and /sysfs concerning batteries through hal [11:31] <_StefanS_> Lure: probably.. can't we just patch it then ? [11:31] kernel exposes now /proc and /sysfs interfaces and HAL uses both [11:32] _StefanS_: kylem is on it afair, at least he was discussing proper solutioon on HAL mailing list [11:32] Lure: 5.9 is final (and FTBFS). [11:32] <_StefanS_> uhm ok, works is in progress then.. [11:32] <_StefanS_> works/work [11:32] problem is that /sysfs is future, but it is currently lacking some features of /proc interface [11:33] _StefanS_: bug 177570 [11:33] Launchpad bug 177570 in hal "[hardy] two batteries display when left clicking on g-p-m" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177570 [11:34] <_StefanS_> Lure: look who commented the last entry :) [11:34] <_StefanS_> Lure: I just wanted to hear if anything was really being done to it [11:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got some sort of overview of what needs be done on hardy? [11:41] _StefanS_: not yet [11:41] Lure: uploading kdepim once built here :) [11:41] Tonio_: thanks! [11:42] Lure: is that new kdepim from 3.5 branch or still from enterprise branch? [11:47] * Hobbsee waves [11:47] the epsilon was small... but my delta beats them all. [11:47] hi [11:48] Riddell: Hi! I'm almost done with BulletproofX.. But I couldn't fully test it, because failsafeDexconf script from GDM produces broken xorg.conf script.. (bproofx from Ubuntu/GDM doesn't work for me in Hardy) [11:48] hello Hobbsee, Tonio_ , our dear Riddell and all the other friends [11:50] * Nightrose waves :) [11:50] I've passed the hardest exam of this semester today, so if anyone wants anything from me, I'm available [11:50] woot! [11:50] wohooo [11:50] Riddell: it is from enterprise, but till said that they are practically the same [11:51] Riddell: I did not want to change to 3.5.9 branch to not cause confusion even more [11:51] Riddell: but woudl be great to get wider testing before 3.5.9 release (we should put it into announcement) [11:52] Riddell: btw, kdab will still maintain enterprise branch after 3.5.9 release, but they plan to have diff to minimum level [11:52] <_StefanS_> can we make 3.5.9 for hardy? [11:53] Enterprise branch only has features for kolab companies different, it'd make all the sense in the world to ship 3.5.9 (which has all the fixes from enterprise in kdepim) [11:55] wow, nokia buys TT? [11:55] that should be in the topic at least :o) [11:55] it is in #kde and #qt :p [11:55] you community people have it easy :o) [11:57] wow [12:08] mhb: toma has fixed kdesudo [12:09] mhb: unfortunatelly I don't have access to his patch actually, so we have to wait a bit [12:12] Tonio_: okies. [12:12] Tonio_: do you know what was it? [12:13] mhb: not yet, I'm waiting for the patch ;) [12:14] Tonio_: okay, let's wait for him [12:21] tonio: toma is online [12:26] Riddell: ah ? [12:26] Riddell: I'll ping him [12:26] Riddell: any idea what is the process that automounts devices in /media ? [12:29] hey [12:31] Tonio_: kde 3 or 4? [12:31] it's kded in either case I'm pretty sure [12:31] Riddell: 3 of course [12:31] Riddell: I'm fighting with a super strange bug with ntfs-3g [12:32] Riddell: automount process seems to miss the locale, while manual mount works [12:32] Riddell: I just miss the process to look at.... [12:32] Riddell: I suspect dbus, no ? [12:32] Riddell: kded would miss the system locale ? [12:33] what does locale have to do with mounting? [12:34] Riddell: ntfs-3g has a specific option so that it can deal with the system locale [12:34] Riddell: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:rjiUdxmKBUQJ:www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html+ntfs-3g+%22skipping+unrepresentable+filename%22&hl=fr&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=fr&client=firefox-a [12:34] Riddell: the point is that mounting manually works in any case [12:35] Riddell: but with the automount process, on feisty I miss the words including specific caracters [12:35] it's hal that does the actual mounting [12:35] Riddell: no issue while mounting manually of course, that's why I suspect an environment problem [12:35] Riddell: let's looks at hal then ;) thanks for the help btw [12:36] Tonio_: this one I think /usr/lib/hal/hal-storage-mount [12:36] _("I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave.") [12:37] Riddell: super thanks ! [12:40] kwwii: hmm, your last mail in the -artwork sounds ... unradical [12:41] kwwii: I thought the artwork is going to change dramatically... [12:41] at least everyone reading the blueprints thought so [12:42] that got moved to hardy+1 [12:43] hmm, too bad. [12:43] well... kubuntu will be great regardless of some gnomey artwork :o) [12:45] Riddell: any news on the hardy KDE4 CDs? [12:46] or ETA? [12:49] hmm, a lot of people is concerned about Qt now [12:50] judging by the dot.kde.org comments. [12:50] Tonio_: i've fixed already locale issue with ntfs partitions mounting [12:50] Tonio_: are you on hardy? [12:50] iRon: yeah but I need the fix for feisty ;) [12:50] iRon: one of our clients reports the issue [12:51] iRon: any help concerning the fix ? [12:51] Tonio_ : sure.. sec [12:51] iRon: that would be super :) [12:55] Tonio_: look at this http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11045065/kdebase-superfix.debdiff [12:56] Tonio_: if (medium->fsType() == "ntfs") { === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:57] mhb: colin was working hard on the seeds last week, since we can't edit the seeds at all in the mean time it'll be blocking alpha 3 [12:58] iRon: great! [12:58] sebas: we will switch back with 3.5.9 release (keeping enterprise up-to-date until then) [12:58] iRon: if bullet proof X is broken generally I guess we just wait for further testing until it gets fixed, but we can still patch kdm [12:59] Lure: Cool. [13:00] Riddell: kdm and x11-commons [13:00] *x11-common [13:07] iRon: super, thank you ! [13:07] Tonio_: already patched and tested? :) [13:08] iRon: no of course, currently building :) [13:08] morning :) [13:08] iRon: I'll ping you if that doesn't work, but hopefully that'll not be needed [13:08] Tonio_ : ok === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [13:20] hi there === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick [13:20] hi doc__ [13:22] "Debhelper 6 in Ubuntu Hardy" time for compat updating [13:22] * Jucato resists the urge to say "eh.... wazzup doc__!" [13:22] jussi01: hehehe [13:23] jussi01 != Jucato ;) [13:23] :) [13:23] Hobbsee is dancing [13:30] rrrrr [13:33] Hi. [13:49] mhb: it will change more radically for hardy+1 [13:49] Riddell: it looks according to debian that the latest patches for flash support do work [13:49] Riddell: I'll take them and reupload [13:53] oh wow, I get to wake up to Nokia buying Trolltech [13:53] nixternal: Go back to bed. Maybe it's a dream. [13:59] nope, it isn't a dream, it is reality! [13:59] w00t Trolltech! [13:59] better Nokia than Motorola [14:02] well, not everyone is optimistic about it [14:02] top brass is, but privates aren't [14:02] no one ever is when a company is acquired [14:02] I have been involved in business deals like this numerous times, and only once did we get screwed [14:03] I believe Nokia has good intentions [14:03] I'm sure they are going to try and sell Qt before they dispose of it [14:03] to be honest, the Qt of today has not got a good pricing strategy [14:04] next to MFC though, they have got to be a close 2nd [14:04] Qt is used in a ton of large named software nowadays [14:04] nixternal: not sure what you mean [14:04] GUI toolkits [14:04] my point is that their site doesn't really state how much Qt costs [14:05] and I'm sure they have concentrated on private deals, where price was high ... but those deals won't boost adoption much [14:05] that's because they charge their enterprise/corporate stuff according tot he size of the job I believe [14:05] all of Adobe is Qt, so that was a big adoption there [14:06] is it? [14:06] yup [14:06] Nero [14:06] hmm, not that I've seen those apps recently. [14:06] Motorola actually uses it too [14:06] onceo f the Ubuntu Chicago guys, his dad programs Qt stuff for cell phones [14:06] s/onceo f/ one of [14:07] ah [14:07] which will be interesting now [14:07] Nokia owns Qt, and Motorola uses it [14:07] hrmm [14:07] still, if I were to do a small-scale software app, I'd go for the cheapest product available that gets the job done. [14:08] NASA uses Qt, I didn't know that... [14:08] I'd like to see those people adopting Qt... but I guess that Microsoft thing I've never worked with gets the job done for them. [14:09] google earth uses qt as well [14:10] Walt Disney [14:10] Samsung [14:10] see, that will be interesting too [14:10] * mhb feels small [14:10] compared to those mammoths [14:11] nice, Siemens uses Qt for their HMIs [14:11] I wish we would have been cool like that at Rockwell Automations/Allen Bradley [14:12] We used VB and nasty clipart for our HMIs [14:12] "all of Adobe is Qt" only one of their apps is [14:13] I thought they switched to all of them now? [14:13] I swore I read that somewhere [14:13] I knew Photoshop was, and they were going to use it everywhere else [14:13] ok, maybe I'm wrong then [14:14] hmm, is Photoshop really Qt? [14:14] hmm photoshop is qt? are there any plans on porting it to linux? [14:14] ya, when you install photoshop you can see it install the qt libs [14:14] same with nero..that is how I originally found out about it [14:14] because photoshop has real trouble with wine, and I wouldn't expect Qt to cause much trouble there. [14:14] I was like, I know I just saw it installing Qt libraries [14:15] so you saw "Qt" and did a double take? [14:15] hehe ya [14:15] QT = QickTime ;) [14:16] oh man, Archbishop Christodoulos died...I bet my x-wife and her mom are upset [14:16] Riddell: I'm taking a stab at the python-qt3 merge (New upstream), unless you'd rather I didn't. [14:16] ScottK2: cool, go ahead [14:19] hey, one good thing about Nokia/Trolltech, they are talking about it on TV [14:21] nixternal: I read one gnome blog where the guy got upset because he thinks that nokia might stop work on the gnome based maenon platform. [14:21] would be interesting to say the least [14:21] nixternal: I bet they never mention "KDE" or "Open Source" once on the TV though [14:21] open source? what's that? [14:21] I have only heard Ubuntu or Open Source with the Dell deal on CNBC or Bloomberg [14:22] but they say "KDE" all the time in our tv [14:22] nixternal: I bet they will be talking about freeware instead:-( [14:22] heh [14:22] perhaps because it's an actual Czech word [14:22] they are talking about Skype, Google Earth, and Adobe Photoshop [14:23] "KDE: freeware on kubunt-oh, for line-ux" [14:24] wow, they bought Trolltech pretty cheap [14:24] $153 million USD [14:24] i thought that was 153 milliion EUROS [14:24] 105 million euros [14:24] oh [14:25] 16 kroner per share, or $2.91 per share, or 2 euros per share [14:25] what's the current trading price? [14:25] 15.70 kroner/$2.85/1.96 euros [14:26] they are up while nokia is down [14:26] that always happens too...when you sell your shares blow up..that happened to use at TAVA Technologies when Real Automations from Belgium bought us out [14:27] w00t!!!! [14:27] they said KDE!!! [14:28] \o/ [14:28] KDE 4 to be exact as the big news out of Trolltech this year for the success of KDE 4 [14:28] and they said Linux correctly :p [14:29] but the guy who is doing the interviewing though is a tech analyst and was a Red Hat guy back when them and VA Linux blew up back in the day [14:29] CNBC rocks! I think I will stop watching bloomberg now [14:30] * txwikinger only gets the boring EU Version [14:30] heh, they said GNU/Linux, BSD, and Free Software [14:30] wow [14:30] you know the guy doing the talking is a geek [14:30] bah, commercial [14:31] iRon: your patch doesn't seem to work for me :/ [14:31] obviously. only a geek would say "GNU/Linux" ^^ [14:31] they will talk more at about noon when they do the technology sector again...this is nice, first time it isn't microsoft this and apple that [14:31] iRon: I just installed the required patched kdebase packages, but it fails.... strange...... [14:31] Tonio_: fails? or doesn't works? [14:32] iRon: no change, I still can't see the french specific chars.... [14:32] iRon: any idea how to debug this ? [14:32] Tonio_: have you restarted kded and konqueror? [14:32] iRon: I rebooted [14:32] iRon: manual mount still works, so I don't understand.... [14:33] I must say I don't understand [14:33] Tonio_: ok.. there could be another problem. on hardy there is only ntfs-3g.. but in feisty as i remember there are ntfs and ntfs-3g ? [14:34] iRon: I only have ntfs-3g installed [14:34] iRon: and a simple manual mount command works [14:34] iRon: I suspect there is still something wrong with kmediamanager, but what ? [14:34] iRon: is there a way to trace what kded does on that point ? [14:34] Tonio_: i know that simple mount works.. :) [14:35] Tonio_: and this patch has fixed locale issue for me.. [14:35] Tonio_: i'm thinking... [14:35] iRon: hum could LC_ALL be empty ? [14:35] yep [14:36] iRon: fsLocale += setlocale(LC_ALL, ""); [14:36] iRon: that I don't understand, you push an empty value ? [14:38] Tonio_: so, LC_ALL must be not empty :) [14:39] iRon: bah on my hardy system LC_ALL seems to be empty btw, and it works :) [14:39] Tonio_: i'm not on my working kubuntu now.. [14:39] okay I'll try to chck by myself [14:39] iRon: thanks for the help in any case [14:39] Tonio_: got the patch yet? [14:40] mhb: toonight :) [14:40] sure [14:40] I'll be away for an hour, but then again available [14:40] feel free to ping me once you have it [14:41] I can have another hacking session this evening [14:41] OK, who here has the ultimate "I feel like crap" remedy? [14:41] one thing I learned from being in the military and traveling all over Europe, if I ever felt like crap, Europeans had a remedy that knocked it out [14:42] Irn Bru! [14:42] hehe [14:42] well that's not european [14:43] I should have seen that one coming [14:43] nixternal: With enough coffee, you can get through anything. [14:43] those isles think they can be a part of USA on Monday and part of Europe on Tuesday :o) [14:43] I am double fisting [14:43] coffee and tea [14:43] tea and honey to be exact [14:43] lol [14:44] ScottK2: you watching the State of the Union tonight? [14:44] for once, I would love to see Bushie go, "I am reporting on the state of the union tonight, and it sucks!" [14:44] nixternal: Hadn't planned on it. Watching politicians on TV raises my blood pressure. Doesn't matter much whice party it is. [14:45] lol [14:47] so who do you want for president? Klaus or Švejnar? :o) [14:48] (two czech candidates for presidency, by the way) [14:48] (czech presidency) [14:48] * ScottK2 guessed. [14:48] Does it matter (from your perspective) - Often all the politicians are the same. [14:48] yeah, they're both white and male, booring [14:48] and straight [14:48] hahahahah [14:48] gahahahahhaha [14:48] gerald ford was the only president who said the state of union is no good [14:48] holy smokes, that was classic right there [14:49] jjesse: ya, I remember that [14:49] well not personally, but you get the point :) [14:50] quote "I must say to you that the statoe of the union is not good" [14:50] has that ever happened? [14:50] has what ever happend? [14:51] what did Carter ever say? [14:51] in the state of the union speach the US president says "well, it's not good" [14:51] Riddell: yes Gerald Ford, 1975 [14:52] http://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/speeches/750028.htm [14:52] * txwikinger remembers Carter never noticed all those lines at the pumps [14:53] * txwikinger also remember Sundays for which nobody was allowed to drive cars [14:53] * Hobbsee declares victory [14:53] Riddell: I've got a python-qt question for you... Both qt3 and qt4 ship a pyqtconfig. Neither seems to be available in $PYTHONPATH. The new eric FTBFS as a result. Debian exposes one (haven't checked which), so it builds. Any thoughts on how to go forward on fixing this? (Note: I've not checked with the new upstream I'm merging yet - just looking if this is a known Kubuntu design decision) [14:55] ScottK2: it's not a known Kubuntu design decision [14:55] Riddell: Thanks. [14:55] * ScottK2 will dig into it then. [14:56] * nixternal goes and lays down...this feeling like crap thing sucks [14:56] nixternal: heh. i could have told you that long ago! [14:57] nixternal: More coffee [14:57] Speak of which... brb. [15:01] Tonio_: could you mount your ntfs partition with mount command and with kmediamanager, and check if realy ntfs-3g used in both cases? [15:02] sure [15:03] iRon: yep ntfs-3g is used..... [15:04] iRon: I looked at the environment kded is working, LANG is set.... [15:04] iRon: I'm rebuilding with some debug in your patch to check what happens [15:04] iRon: I wonder if the no-media-ioslave patches can cause the issue [15:05] Tonio_: then please try to change QString fsLocale("locale="); with QString fsLocale("nls="); [15:05] iRon: what would be the difference ? [15:05] Tonio_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_Mount_NTFS_Partitions [15:06] iRon: reading [15:09] iRon: I see no reason that this would be different between feisty and hardy/gutsy btw [15:09] iRon: locale is a ntfs-3g specific option while nls is for mount right ? [15:10] Tonio_: ntfs-3g is the same on feisty and hardy? [15:10] iRon: I backported [15:11] iRon: bah I'm going to test with the debug and see what happened.... I don't want to waste your time :) [15:12] Tonio_: you don't need to debug.. you could play with dbus-send command first to figure out correct parameters [15:13] iRon: I wonder if the fstype shouldn't be ntfs-3g ? [15:14] iRon: how to check this ? [15:15] Tonio_: oh.. yeah.. on feisty it could be ntfs and ntfs-3g [15:15] iRon: I'll try to add a double if then [15:16] iRon: what defines the name of the fs ? the kernel directly ? [15:16] dbus ? [15:16] iRon: with a backported ntfs-3g I suspected the fs to have the same name.... [15:16] iRon: and last but not least, is there a way to request hal for the fs of a device ? [15:17] * Tonio_ knows not much about hal [15:17] hal-device -> it is ntfs-3g [15:18] Tonio_: "medium" variable in code is initialized from HAL settings [15:19] iRon: I know how to fix now ;) [15:19] Tonio_: you could override fs type setting when calling org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.Mount [15:19] thanks a lot, I'll just check for ntfs and ntfs-3g [15:20] iRon: hum oki [15:20] iRon: then the string value for the fs type is set by dbus ? [15:21] Tonio_: with dbus you could override it [15:21] iRon: yeah, that seems to be my problem [15:21] iRon: I'll fix that, and MANY thanks for your help ;) [15:21] Tonio_: yw! [15:25] Afternoon. [15:32] mornfall: sorry I havn't got to testing the new adept today, it's on my (lengthy) todo [15:33] No problem. I won't have much adept time till friday, so if I have feedback near the end of the week, that should be fine. [16:06] Riddell: hey, can you please drop latest dragonplayer in gutsy-backports? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dragonplayer [16:06] apachelogger_: have you tested it? does it work? [16:07] Riddell: yep, testbuilt on my in-kde4-drowning laptop ;-) [16:09] "I: Building backport of dragonplayer-1.99~beta1 as 1.99~beta1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 ... E: execution of 'dpkg-genchanges -S -sa -v1.99~beta1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1' failed with return code 255." [16:09] apachelogger_: something broke in the backport script [16:15] d'oh! [16:15] Riddell: well, it's in the ppa for now [16:23] Riddell: Bug #186668 is ready for review/upload. [16:23] Launchpad bug 186668 in python-qt3 "Please merge python-qt3 3.17.4-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186668 [16:26] apachelogger_: suse has these interesting patches to fix the kde3/4 launching issue http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde4-applications.diff [16:26] http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde3-applications.diff [16:26] first patch is for KDE 3, second for KDE 4 [16:28] Riddell: will have a look later on [16:29] * apachelogger_ is kinda busy with a school project :S [16:29] Riddell: The new python-qt3 solves my pyqtconfig problem, so I'll be able to sync the new eric in once that's uploaded. [16:37] ScottK2: do we still need to move that pyqtconfig.py bit in debian/rules? [16:46] Riddell: Not sure. It works as is. [16:47] I can look into it some more, but I'm not very familiar with why kde-guidance needed it moved. [16:47] ScottK: oh, it's because it's in python-qt3 not python-qt3-dev [16:47] no I don't remember either now, but it did break without it [16:48] OK. I vote we don't break it again. ;-) [16:48] "it is needed for mountconfig from kde-guidance" apparantly [16:49] Maybe the best answer (not today) is to fix kde-guidance not to need it. [16:52] evening my dears [16:59] Tonio_: hacking time yet? [17:03] mhb: nope I'm at work, unfortunatelly :) [17:03] Tonio_: but I can work on it, if you have the patch [17:09] mhb: I'll do what's needed as soon as I have the patch, don't worry :) [17:12] mhb: I don't :/ [17:12] Tonio_: okay. [17:12] Tonio_: looking forward to it [17:13] mhb: ;) === miguelfp_ is now known as miguelfp [17:53] iRon: your patch worked with a s/ntfs/ntfs-3g [17:53] iRon: once again thanks [17:53] ah Tonio_! [17:53] hey ! [17:53] let me get that patch [17:53] toma: super, thanks ! [17:53] mhb: ping ? :) [17:53] ScottK2: pyqt3 uploaded, thanks [17:54] Tonio_: here [17:54] Tonio_: can you commit it? [17:54] mhb: sure [17:54] mhb: I'll be at home very late all the week so don't expect me to work on kdesudo-kde4 except between 12 h and 14 h... [17:55] mhb: and on friday of course [17:55] Tonio_: i couldn't manage to get tabs in my vi, but you will manage; here it is: http://rafb.net/p/t41Xvi31.html [17:57] Tonio_: once again yw :) [17:57] toma: commiting the patch, many thanks ! [17:58] yw [17:59] OK, I have been studying this whole Trolltech/Nokia deal and now I am asking myself, Why? Was it to make money off of Motorola, Panasonic, and others? Very fishy [18:00] what deal? [18:00] Nokia purchased trolltech today [18:00] whoa [18:00] whaaat [18:00] that can't be good [18:01] mhb: commited [18:01] at first I thought "yes", but after reading up on mobile development, and Nokias lack of use for Qt, it got me wondering the same [18:01] why would it be good? [18:01] also $150m sounds pretty cheap [18:01] toma: I'm really surprised cause I'm pretty sure I tested that solution [18:02] toma: maybe I did it the wrong way.... [18:02] Motorola, Panasonic, and other big cell manufacturers use Qt, so by Nokia purchasing it, they now have a ground to attack these other companies with [18:02] toma: if you say it works, for sure I didn't do it correctly ;) [18:02] nixternal: nobody knows but I'd expect Qtopia is more interesting to them than Qt [18:02] mhb: concerning the writestdin missing, according to toma a prinf should do the trick..... simply :) [18:03] Riddell: yeah I was thinking the same [18:03] Riddell: ya, I meant Qtopia and not Qt [18:03] Riddell: Thanks for the python-qt3 upload. [18:03] ScottK: thanks for the merge :) [18:03] Riddell: they want to stop with symbian as they maintain it alone mostly, and with google and linux coming on cellphones, qtopia is probably their new target :) [18:03] the good thing is the financial backing though [18:03] marketing as well [18:07] Tonio_: i worked with the api before, so I had some advantage [18:07] toma: hehe [18:08] Tonio_: adding debug statements helps to determine what's going though [18:14] toma: sure :) [18:26] Tonio_: oh, and i don't know if sudo is localised, but you might want to prepend the call with something like LC_ALL=C [18:27] toma: it isn't, but yeah that might not be bad btw :) [18:31] Tonio_: yes, that's a good suggestion [18:31] Tonio_: I've filed a bug in the sudo bugzilla about l10n, they are going to fix that sometime === uga|away is now known as uga === fdoving_ is now known as fdoving [19:11] hi. [19:16] howdy fdoving [19:17] anyone else having problems with the daily cd images? [19:17] they are dying on drive partitioning for me [19:18] something about not being able to remove 2 files or something [19:27] nixternal: Obviously you don't want it bad enough. [19:27] lol [19:29] trying to install Ubuntu and Kubuntu, and neither are liking me right now [19:29] guess I will just go with the alpha [19:33] Riddell: what was that mail client's name you are using? [19:34] Alpine [19:34] ah. [19:39] not available for angstrom [19:42] toma: what version is Mailody going to be for KDE 4? I forgot all about the website update and want to put it up right now [19:42] and you are still planning on it being completed by KDE 4.1 correct? [19:43] yes [19:43] we are now at 0.5.0 [19:43] so, 0.7.0 ? [19:43] OK [19:43] fdoving: ^ ? [19:44] new features besides adaptation of Akonadi? [19:45] Is Kubuntu doing anything with policykit or is that just Ubuntu? [19:47] ScottK: it's an upstream issue, KDE badly needs someone to implement it [19:48] ScottK: since right now you can't use root in kcontrol modules at all [19:48] Ah. OK. [19:49] Riddell: is this issue for kde4 only or also for kde3? [19:49] Lure: kde 4 only [19:49] Riddell: kde3 will stay with kdesudo? [19:49] Lure: yes [19:51] Lure: why not? [19:51] do you have anything against it? [19:51] mhb: no, just want to understand what is planned to be done [19:51] KDE4 may go with kdesudo, too [19:51] depends on how fast can we package it [19:51] Riddell: can we just not patch system settings with kdesudo (after kde4 port)? [19:52] mhb: exactly [19:52] Lure: I think you misunderstand, the kcontrol library has had any ability to have root UIs taken out of it [19:52] it's not a kdesu vs kdesudo issue [19:52] they got taken out so someone could implement policykit [19:52] Riddell: oh, they ripped that out in kde4? [19:52] which nobody has [19:57] Riddell: do you have any plans when kde4 cd's will be built on regular basis (daily)? [19:58] Riddell: may be we should start at least with policykit integration? i could research on this... and try to implement policykit stuff for "users disk mounting" in kde4.. [19:58] Lure: asap, it's still blocked on colin changing the seed layouts (but so is alpha 3) [19:59] iRon: it can't be done for just one module, it needs to be added to the kcontrol classes in kdelibs (then add it for each module that needs it) [19:59] iRon: I doubt it'll be easy, but if you want to get into elite kdelibs hacking, that's a feature that's badly needed [20:00] Riddell: i've already played with policykit api.. [20:00] hmm, hadn't thought about "users disk mounting", that's not kcontrol but it would benefit from policykit, although it should probably be hal using it [20:01] iRon: that's more than I have :) [20:02] * ScottK designates iRon the Kubuntu lead developer for policykit integration due to his superior experience and knowledge. [20:02] :) [20:02] You think I'm kidding, right? [20:02] i'm even not a member of any kubuntu-* team :( [20:03] You're here. You've got a ticket to the ball. [20:03] * ScottK cares more about running code than paperwork. [20:04] iRon: turn up to the next meeting and ask [20:04] Riddell: ok [20:04] iRon: well, write a wiki page first of course [20:05] Riddell: yep.. what about policykit wiki page? [20:05] Riddell: we could create it too.. [20:06] doesn't policykit needs to be implemented in kdm [20:07] iRon: I ment make yourself a wiki page before applying for membership [20:07] cheguevara: that's consolekit, and we have a patch for it [20:07] thats consolekit actually [20:07] yeah just realised that myself [20:07] but what about kdm-kde4? [20:08] I don't think we've added it but it's available [20:23] Yo. [20:25] Riddell: nalioth is about now. [20:26] nixternal: owwwww :( /me sends a nice hot cup of tea over to Chicago [20:27] I have drank so much tea today [20:27] I am half way through a bottle of honey too [20:27] :/ [20:28] then you should probably go to bed and sleep [20:30] and dream of nokia pouring loads of money in QT [20:30] like thats gonna happen [20:33] no more sleep [20:33] I am wrapped up like a burrito trying to sweat this out [20:37] * ryanakca cheers at being off all week :) [20:37] nixternal: sick? [20:38] just a bit [20:39] heh [20:42] hey ryanakca [20:42] how was your exam? [20:43] mhb: not too bad... I ran out of time, so my conclusion is basically a big long line with bumps for 'm' and 'n' and 'r' and random breaks :) [20:44] mhb: yours? pass? [20:44] What now. [20:44] ryanakca: sure, had a 2 (second best grade, second worst grade) [20:44] ryanakca: we've got 1(best),2,3 and bye bye. [20:46] haha, and bye bye [20:48] lol [20:48] mhb: grats :D [20:49] mhb: its the oposite here... 4,3,2,1,R1,R2,R3... [20:50] the R1-3 are just to let you know how much you fail... all of them are < 50% [20:50] s/oposite/opposite/ [20:51] but they're fail none the less [20:51] * ryanakca considers packaging BASIC-256 [20:53] who asked the question in the Nokia/Trolltech audiocast? [20:54] the 2nd question was for Kubuntu/KDE :) [20:54] what was it? [20:54] just asking if they are planning on continuing with KDE and what not, which of course is yes [20:54] lol :) [20:55] but they are planning on bringing Qt, not Qtopia to their cell phones [20:55] r40, s60, and the n8xx will eventually be Qt :) [20:56] Kubuntu on a n810? :) [20:56] eh? [20:57] * ryanakca tries to compress 'Easy to use version of BASIC designed to teach young children the basics of programming.' into 60 characters [20:57] KTurtle! [20:58] ryanakca: what type of exam was it? [20:58] ryanakca: m,n,r ... are those variables? [20:58] mhb: french exam [20:58] m,n,r ? [20:59] answer questions about a "fable" (english equivalent = ?) for half an hour, and then write an essay on a random subject for the rest of the time [20:59] ah, lovely === \sh is now known as \sh_away [21:01] nixternal: KTurtle uses LOGO, right? And LOGO is simillar to what language? [21:01] it's unique [21:02] LOGO is LOGO; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_(programming_language) [21:05] wow [21:05] * ryanakca is having fun moving his turtle around in circles :) [21:05] wow, its ancient... 1967... [21:18] C is 1972, Lisp 1958 [21:18] * ryanakca wonders if http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ is any good... theory behind the programming. [21:19] sure is [21:20] ryanakca: it's one of the best [21:20] ryanakca: but then again, I am biased :) [21:20] ryanakca: Hal cuts me paychecks ;-) [21:20] lol [21:20] Hal? MIT person? [21:21] ryanakca: yeah, founder of the MIT EECS dept :) [21:21] lol [21:21] been on the FSF chair before, I believe [21:21] * ryanakca wonders if the local bookstore has a printed copy... I hate reading huge amounts of text on the computer [21:23] wow, not too bad... 34% off (53.79 vs 81.50)... might go in and look at it [21:24] ryanakca: get used to it [21:24] used to what? [21:24] incredibly high book prices for anything non-fiction? [21:24] ryanakca: it's the best way to pass a computer science uni [21:25] ah :) [21:25] especially if your uni has less books than students [21:25] heh, this side of the pond, students have to buy their own books [21:27] well we should do it, too [21:28] Hmm... class of 1922? if he was 20 at the time, he's what? 106? [21:34] ryanakca: we also do... [21:39] * ryanakca grumbles at KMail-kde3 not working under KDE4 [21:40] ryanakca: usa alpine! [21:40] use* [21:40] ryanakca: really? i haven't had any trouble yet [21:41] probably a hardy thing [21:41] * yuriy reconsiders upgrading [21:41] ryanakca: using the same $KDEDIR ? [21:41] toma: it complains that kwallet isn't running, and then that it can't connect to dcop, and then that it can't start the pop3 process [21:41] * ryanakca checks [21:43] Could not start process pop3s. [21:43] no idea then [21:43] toma: in krunner, "sh -c 'KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde && export $KDEDIR && kmail'" ? [21:44] IIRC we'll have a whole 'nother kdepim after 3.5.9 gets released, so no need to get to excited about kdepim right now. [21:44] * ryanakca decides to use alpine to check his backlogged email [21:45] ryanakca: i meant kdehome [21:48] toma: don't see anything about kdehome in 'env | grep -i home' [21:48] good [21:49] as i said, no idea what that problem is, should work [21:51] heh, oh well, I've almost got alpine set up :) [21:52] ryanakca: whatever you do; do NOT use it's filters [21:55] jpatrick: okies :) === uga_ is now known as uga [21:56] ryanakca: basically speaking... they suck [21:57] * jpatrick does it all though gmail === rouzic is now known as rouzic_ausente === nivek_ is now known as nivek