[00:00] <phroughy> hello! i can't get the synaptic driver to work
[00:03] <phroughy> anyone there?
[00:04] <DanaG> !doesntwork
[00:04] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[00:07]  * RAOF loves that factoid.
[00:07] <RAOF> phroughy: Your problem is probably the default, really minimal xorg.conf.
[00:10] <DanaG> I have tons of customizations applied to my touchpad.
[00:10] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[00:10] <DanaG> take a look.  There are some nifty options there.
[00:11] <DanaG> For example, I have it set so 1-finger tap is nothing, 2-finger tap is middle button, and 3-finger tap is right button.
[00:12] <DanaG> dang, emu10k1 doesn't hot-swap well.
[00:12] <dreamnid> ... what sound card?
[00:15] <DanaG> Yup, panic.
[00:16] <theunixgeek> Does Dell's Ubuntu desktop computer allow for the desktop effects?
[00:16] <DanaG> How would I go about writing a udev rule to unload snd-emu10k1 when the respective sound card is removed?
[00:17] <dreamnid> mm.. unrelation question, DanaG, but curious which sound card you're using... Emu 0404?
[00:18] <DanaG> Actually, it's the cardbus Audigy.
[00:19] <dreamnid> gotcha
[00:20] <DanaG> Though Creative thinks Cardbus is PCMCIA.
[00:20] <DanaG> The terms aren't quite that interchangeable.
[00:21] <DanaG> It's like ISA and EISA: Sure, EISA cards are an extension of ISA, but you can't call them ISA.  You can't use an EISA card in an ISA slot.
[00:21] <DanaG> (yeah, both are obsolete, and the difference between PCMCIA and Cardbus is ISA versus PCI, but that EISA comparison still works.)
[00:22] <sque> hi
[00:36] <DanaG> Hmm, 25 megabytes per second reading from USB hard drive.
[00:37] <flipstar> thats usb :/
[00:41] <DanaG> Hmm, now back to 4 or 5 megabytes per second.
[00:41] <DanaG> Must be really fraggy, or something.
[00:41] <flipstar> maybe its the file size ?
[00:42] <DanaG> I'm copying a signle directory of large files, and the volume was previously very full.
[00:42] <DanaG> And I am hearing the drive seeking all over the place.
[00:42] <flipstar> hm
[00:42] <DanaG> And I have AAM turned on on that drive, too.
[00:42] <flipstar> AAM..?
[00:43] <flipstar> oh got it
[00:43] <DanaG> 6.3G	
[00:43] <DanaG> 9m53.237s
[00:44] <DanaG> (AAM is Automatic Acoustic Management.)
[00:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have two HFS+ volumes with the same UUID.  How do I fix that?
[00:45] <RAOF> uuidgen, I think.
[00:45] <RAOF> But that should be filed as a bug, IMO.
[00:45] <RAOF> It's not much of a UUID if it's not unique :)
[00:46] <DanaG> I used gparted to copy it, so it DOES make some sense that the UUID is the same.
[00:47] <DanaG> However, it should throw up an error, not mount two differently-labeled but same-UUID'd volumes in the same place.
[01:23] <wastrel> hi
[01:29] <theunixgeek> How do I make my close button be red and the minimize button blue without writing a completely new theme? (GNOME, GTK, etc)
[01:29] <RAOF> Man, virt-manager rocks!
[01:29] <crdlb> theunixgeek: make a metacity theme
[01:30] <RAOF> theunixgeek: I'd suggest looking at either the metacity theme specification, or editing an existing theme.
[01:30] <theunixgeek> I don't wanna do much coding right now though :P
[01:30] <crdlb> a metacity theme is an xml file and some images
[01:37] <bardyr> have anybody installed vmware workstation in hardy_
[02:02] <bardyr> looool
[02:03] <bardyr> i cant delete files in nautilus, the error message i get is File exits
[02:03] <bardyr> or Error removing file File exits
[02:26] <sarthor> Hi. my ubuntu is working fine, but When i press alt+Ctrl+F1 or F2...., then my text mode is not looking as normal. the fonts are larger, and the screen is looking like too zoomed? how to fix it??
[02:38] <wastrel> hi
[02:43] <sarthor> Hi. my ubuntu is working fine, but When i press alt+Ctrl+F1 or F2...., then my text mode is not looking as normal. the fonts are larger, and the screen is looking like too zoomed? how to fix it??
[04:03] <shirish> hi all has anybody tried icedtea-java7-plugin with FF3?
[04:03] <shirish> FF3b2 to be more precise
[04:11] <shirish> DanaG: you up buddy?
[04:12] <DanaG> Yeah.
[04:13] <DanaG> I'm around.
[04:13] <DanaG> 3.0~b3~cvs20080125t0332+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1
[04:14] <DanaG> I use java7 with that.
[04:14] <shirish> cool, ok here's the thing, I have installed icedtea-java7-plugin but in plugins it shows the gcj plugin (alongwith icedtea)
[04:14] <DanaG> hmm, you may need to sudo update-alternatives --config java
[04:14] <shirish> DanaG: I'm using Ubulette's private repos also
[04:15] <DanaG> Is that the same one?
[04:17] <shirish> DanaG: look at http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/minirepos/firefox-minefield/
[04:19] <shirish> DanaG: it shows
[04:19] <shirish>  *+        5    /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-icedtea/jre/bin/java
[04:19] <shirish> which means it does use that
[04:21] <DanaG> Wait, so the java plugin is present in about:plugins?
[04:21] <shirish> DanaG: did you purge/uninstall gcjwebplugin & its alternatives?
[04:21] <DanaG> Hmm, it should work, then.
[04:22] <DanaG> Yeah, I have nothing gcj installed.
[04:22] <shirish> aha, ok so would purge/uninstall them
[04:26] <DanaG> Dang, my USB 2.0 drive gives only 30 megabytes per second.
[04:26] <DanaG> That's 240 megabits.
[04:27] <shirish> DanaG: uh oh, I ran into an issue uninstalling/purging them
[04:27] <shirish> while purging/uninstalling them this warning had come
[04:27] <shirish> dpkg - warning: while removing gcjwebplugin, directory `/usr/lib/mozilla-snapshot/plugins' not empty so not removed.
[04:27] <shirish> dpkg - warning: while removing gcjwebplugin, directory `/usr/lib/mozilla-snapshot' not empty so not removed.
[04:28] <shirish> DanaG: and doing a ls at shirish@Mugglewille:/usr/lib/mozilla-snapshot/plugins$ ls -lat
[04:28] <shirish> gives
[04:28] <DanaG> That's good... it should leave alone things that don't belong to that package.
[04:28] <shirish> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   48 2007-06-09 04:14 libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so
[04:28] <DanaG> It's just telling you that it left the other stuff alone.
[04:28] <DanaG> Where does that alternatives one go?
[04:29] <DanaG> That'll be a symlink to somewhere else.
[04:30] <shirish> DanaG: I fail to understand what you just said
[04:31] <shirish> sorry
[04:31] <DanaG> ls -l --color=auto /etc/alternatives/mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so
[04:31] <shirish> DanaG: this is what it says in Plugins
[04:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, handy hint: edit your .bashrc (in home dir) to enable the 'll' and 'la' aliases.
[04:32] <shirish> GCJ Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea) 1.5
[04:32] <DanaG> Try going to a page you know uses Java.
[04:33] <shirish> this is the output from the command you gave
[04:33] <shirish>  ls -l --color=auto /etc/alternatives/mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so
[04:33] <shirish> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2007-06-09 04:14 /etc/alternatives/mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/gcj-4.1/libgcjwebplugin.so
[04:34] <shirish> does it mean it still is using the libgcjwebplugin also?
[04:35] <shirish> DanaG: and what do you mean by edit your .bashrc (in home dir) to enable the 'll' and 'la' aliases.
[04:35] <shirish> ?
[04:37] <shirish> aha, got you about the aliases ;)
[04:37] <DanaG> Aah, looks like the symlink is going to the wrong place.
[04:37] <DanaG> sudo update-alternatives mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin
[04:40] <shirish> it says here
[04:40] <shirish>  sudo update-alternatives mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin
[04:40] <shirish> update-alternatives: unknown argument `mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin'
[04:40] <DanaG> hmm, try adding '.so' to that.
[04:41] <DanaG> That packaging is weird.
[04:41] <shirish> it still says unknown argument :(
[04:42] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:42] <DanaG> try:  dpkg -S /etc/alternatives/mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so
[04:42] <shirish>  sudo update-alternatives mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so
[04:42] <shirish> update-alternatives: unknown argument `mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so'
[04:43] <DanaG> Oh, you left off "--config"
[04:44] <shirish> so it should be sudo update-alternatives mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so --config ?
[04:44] <DanaG> move --config to the left by one.
[04:45] <shirish> now it says
[04:45] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ sudo update-alternatives --config mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so
[04:45] <shirish> There is no program which provides mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so.
[04:45] <shirish> Nothing to configure.
[04:46] <DanaG> That's odd.
[04:46] <shirish> even
[04:46] <shirish> $ dpkg -S /etc/alternatives/mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so
[04:46] <shirish> dpkg: /etc/alternatives/mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so not found.
[04:46] <DanaG> Perhaps just remove the original /usr/lib/mozilla-snapshot/plugins/(whatever it was) symlink.
[04:47] <se7en_> is there a way to make qemu work i get Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated: No such file or directory all the time
[04:49] <shirish> DanaG: just for the record this is what it shows in /etc/alternatives
[04:49] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:/etc/alternatives$ ls -l mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so
[04:49] <shirish> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2007-06-09 04:14 mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/gcj-4.1/libgcjwebplugin.so
[04:49] <shirish> and this is what it shows in /usr/lib/mozilla-snapshot/plugins
[04:49] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:/usr/lib/mozilla-snapshot/plugins$ ls -l
[04:49] <shirish> total 0
[04:49] <shirish> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 2007-06-09 04:14 libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-snapshot-javaplugin.so
[04:50] <DanaG> watch the pasting!
[04:50] <shirish> I know but its a pain to post 2 lines to a pastebin, if you mean like that.
[04:52] <DanaG> Well, I don't need to see the command you type; all I need is the output.
[04:52] <DanaG> It's not a big deal if you're only posting two lines once or twice, but if you do it too often, it becomes annoying.
[04:54] <shirish> true so I did remove the symlink but still it seems something is remaining for nothing is changed in ff3 plugins stuff :(
[04:55] <DanaG> Did you restart the browser entirely?
[04:55] <shirish> yes, but still no change, and now /usr/lib/mozilla-snapshot/plugins is empty
[04:56] <wastrel> hi
[04:56] <DanaG> Hmm, try removing that directory and replacing it with a symlink to the Firefox 2.0 plugins dir.
[04:56] <DanaG> Just watch out: some FF2 plugins crash FF3.
[04:57] <shirish> remove mozilla-snapshot directory ?
[04:58] <DanaG> No.
[04:58] <DanaG> Just the plugins dir.
[04:58] <DanaG> And then sudo ln -s /usr/lib/firefox/plugins /usr/lib/mozilla-snapshot/plugins
[04:58] <se7en_> is there a way to make qemu work i get Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated: No such file or directory all the time
[04:58] <DanaG> se7en_: have you loaded the kqemu module?
[04:59] <se7en_> i installed it ... how do i load it DanaG
[04:59] <shirish> DanaG: drats removed the mozilla-snapshot directory, no way to recover it, any ideas what to do?
[05:00] <shirish> DanaG: one loses the extensions or something else also?
[05:00] <DanaG> se7en_: modprobe kqemu
[05:00] <DanaG> or rather, sudo
[05:01] <DanaG> Oh, and for shirish: you can reinstall mozilla-snapshot.
[05:01] <DanaG> Or purge and then reinstall it.
[05:01] <DanaG> That won't lose user settings.
[05:03] <shirish>  DanaG: surprise, surprise there is no mozilla-snapshot package :(
[05:04] <se7en_> DanaG: FATAL: Module kqemu not found. so i guess i have to install ?? package
[05:06] <shirish> DanaG: I have 2 packages, one is firefox, one is firefox-3.0
[05:06] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:06] <DanaG> Then where does mozilla-snapshot come from?
[05:07] <shirish> no idea
[05:08] <shirish> DanaG: Lemme paste the contents of both the packages at pastebin.ca brb
[05:08] <se7en_> DanaG: sorry what package do i have to install apt-cache show kqemu give me nothing
[05:09] <DanaG> shirish: don't bother; instead, just look in /usr/lib/firefox-3.0
[05:09] <DanaG> kqemu is a module that may already be in the kernel.
[05:10] <DanaG> !kqemu
[05:10] <ubotu> kqemu is a kernel module (now free under the GPL license) for speeding up the !QEMU virtual machine. Installation instructions can be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/KQEmu
[05:11] <DanaG> I hate when gnome won't log in, and I have to rm -rf /tmp   (NOT as root!)
[05:11] <DanaG> I also hate when my multimedia keys die.
[05:12] <DanaG> Or when closing a window locks up Xorg.
[05:14] <shirish> this is the output of dpkg -L firefox
[05:14] <shirish> http://pastebin.ca/875623
[05:16] <shirish> and this is the output of dpkg -L firefox-3.0
[05:16] <shirish> http://pastebin.ca/875628
[05:20] <DanaG> Aah.
[05:20] <DanaG> /usr/lib/firefox-3.0-3.0b3pre/plugins
[05:20] <DanaG> Make sure that's a symlink to somewhere -- to the firefox 2 plugins dir, or the firefox-addons dir.
[05:23] <shirish> the lijavaplugin.so is symlinked to /etc/alternatives/firefox-3.0-javaplugin.so
[05:23] <DanaG> Mine is here: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    25 Jan 20 01:11 plugins -> ../firefox-addons/plugins
[05:24] <shirish> DanaG: which in turn is symlinked to /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-icedtea/jre/lib/i386/gcjwebplugin.so
[05:24] <DanaG> Aah, then sudo update-alternatives --config firefox-3.0-javaplugin.so
[05:25] <DanaG> And if that doesn't work, replace the /etc/alternatives symlink with one going to /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-icedtea/jre/lib/i386/gcjwebplugin.so
[05:26] <DanaG> WTF?  My shortcut keys broke again!
[05:26] <DanaG> WTF?
[05:26] <DanaG> Oh, they only work with numlock off.
[05:27] <DanaG> Stupid.
[05:27] <se7en_> thanks DanaG i dont get the error anymore but still qemu Knoppix.iso starts and than tells me that iso is not bootable ?? i know it is boot able
[05:28] <DanaG> hmm, I use 'qemu-launcher' to start Qemu.
[05:28] <DanaG> It makes it easier.
[05:29] <shirish> bbiaw
[05:31] <se7en_> DanaG: thank you very much ... qemu -localtime -cdrom KNOPPIX_V5.1.1CD-2007-01-04-EN$.iso -m 200 -boot d  WORKS !!!
[05:32] <DanaG> Glad to help.
[05:32] <DanaG> (that's one thing great about open-source communities: the 'pay it forward' mentality.)
[05:34] <shirish> back
[05:34] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and if you want kqemu to load at boot, put it in /etc/modules .
[05:36] <shirish> DanaG: it says there is only 1 program which provides firefox-3.0-javaplugin.so & shows the path to /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-icedtea/jre/lib/i386/gcjwebplugin.so
[05:36] <DanaG> Hmm.
[05:36] <DanaG> And java still doesn't work?  Odd.
[05:37] <shirish> DanaG: I don't know whether it works or not, its the wording in the plugins which has been bothering me, it shows as gcj plugin with Icedtea  & shows it as version 1.5
[05:37] <shirish> shouldn't it be 1.7
[05:38] <DanaG> Beats me.
[05:38] <DanaG> Give Sun's java test page a try.
[05:40] <shirish> it verified that its 1.7.0 , odd
[05:41] <shirish> Congratulations!  
[05:41] <shirish> You have the recommended Java installed (1.7.0).  
[05:41] <shirish> http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?jre_version=1.7.0&vendor=Sun+Microsystems+Inc.&os=Linux&os_version=2.6.22-14-generic
[05:42] <shirish> DanaG: what does it show in your Tools > Addons > Plugins for Java ?
[05:42] <DanaG> Argh, I tried to .tar.lzma a large folder, and it claimed success, but didn't actually archive everything!
[05:42] <DanaG> What the hell?  That's dangerous!
[05:44] <shirish> DanaG: I'm just looking for output written in Tools > Addons > Plugins , the bit about java
[05:44] <DanaG> Oh.
[05:45] <shirish> in mine it shows as GCJ Web Browser Plugin (Using IcedTea) 1.5
[05:45] <DanaG> Same here.
[05:46] <shirish> aha, ok but that also means that they have to do some updates there, for as per my understanding it should be 1.7, do know its going to take another 6 months or maybe less for 1.7 to be stable
[06:35] <sudobash> hey if I wanted to try 8.04 and found a bug and wanted to try to debug it what source files would I mainly be working in?
[06:36] <RAOF> sudobash: The source of the package that you found the bug in, generally.
[06:37] <sudobash> right so what If i just wanted to add somethings to the OS... customize it a little
[06:38] <RAOF> sudobash: You're also likely to want the relevant ddebs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[06:38] <RAOF> Well, again you'd be after the source of the thing you want to customise.
[06:41] <sudobash> 2 weeks ago I upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10 and yesterday I did a sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get upgrade and now my nvidia driver didnt work so i edited the xorg and changed the driver to nv so I could get into X... I have tried nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new, Nvidia script installed from site, and even tried the restricted driver and nothing works
[06:41] <sudobash> yesterday I did the updates
[06:42] <sudobash> and the driver stopped working... I have tried all those driver plus different types of xorg.conf's
[06:42] <sudobash> when i stop GDM
[06:42] <RAOF> Right.  One of the problems with trying everything is that one invariably messes things up.
[06:42] <sudobash> and try startx instead it tells me to check to see if the Nvidia GPU is present
[06:43] <sudobash> which it is
[06:43] <sudobash> right
[06:43] <sudobash> so I try the nvidia-xconfig version and then try my version
[06:43] <sudobash> neither works
[06:43] <sudobash> sometimes it says cannot find the GLX section of the xorg file
[06:44] <RAOF> Are you running Hardy (8.04)?
[06:44] <sudobash> it says load "glx" but not GLX section like when you have load "dri" you have the DRI section of the config file
[06:44] <sudobash> not that I am aware of Im pretty sure it is 7.10
[06:44] <RAOF> You need neither a glx section, nor a DRI section.
[06:45] <sudobash> right just to call GLX
[06:45] <sudobash> nothing else
[06:45] <RAOF> Right.  So, this is for ubuntu+1 (ie: hardy/8.04) support/discussion.
[06:45] <sudobash> apparently XORG has been updated
[06:45] <sudobash> ?
[06:45] <RAOF> You probably want either #ubuntu or www.ubuntuforums.org
[06:45] <sudobash> ok well my Q is if i upgrade to 8.04 is NVIDIA driver supported?
[06:45] <sudobash> i tried Ubuntu for 2 hours plus yesterday
[06:46] <sudobash> and got help but nothing worked... even verified i had the correct xorg version
[06:46] <RAOF> It's a terribly bad idea to upgrade to Hardy in order to fix something.
[06:46] <sudobash> but does 8.04 have a lot of bugs?
[06:46] <sudobash> lol
[06:46] <sudobash> i see
[06:46] <RAOF> Because Hardy *will* break something.
[06:46] <sudobash> well could i uninstall the last packages installed for yesterday??
[06:46] <RAOF> It's not finished.  At this point it is entirely expected for updates to break things which were working.
[06:47] <sudobash> so is there a good way to uninstall updates for any given date?
[06:48] <RAOF> Not really.
[06:48] <RAOF> I'd suggest ubuntuforums.
[06:48] <sudobash> i would have to go by the log and uninstall individually probably
[06:49] <sudobash> its probably one package
[06:50] <RAOF> It's likely at this point that simply reverting the package update won't fix anything.
[06:51] <sudobash> i see... so backup and install 7.10 and try to install driver by wiki
[06:51] <sudobash> thanks
[06:53] <sudobash> its strange I am sure it isnt the xorg file because the nv works just nvidia doesnt... so it has to be in the driver... i will try this idea thanks later....
[08:11] <sudobash> if anyone wants to take a look I posted a problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4221601#post4221601
[10:17] <DanaG> That was oddd... Wine randomly changed my screen to 320x240 when I tried to configure visualizations in JetAudio.
[11:07] <don_andrez> does hardy heron support ext4?
[11:08] <void^> last time i checked it didn't. not part of the official kernel yet anyway, might make it into .25 i hear.
[11:09] <don_andrez> thanks :)
[11:09] <void^> they're still finalizing the fs layout, so i guess it's better to wait a little longer.
[11:39] <ccooke> I'm not expecting ext4 to get into real systems for another year or more
[12:40] <gileswwwrk_> heya peeps
[12:41] <Gigamo_> Hi, got a simple question; what's the best way to upgrade from gutsy to hardy; manually changing all gutsy entries to hardy in /etc/apt/sources.list or running update-manager -d?
[12:41] <gileswwwrk_> whats the status for the -virtual kernel package for x86_64?
[12:56] <alteregolio> you have to enter fnord -r to update to illuminati v.23
[12:57] <alteregolio> then in chaos manager try to find the pyramid button and click to the eye of the pyramid
[13:15] <Andre_Gondim> in hardy heron, where is the driver manager?
[13:16] <Pici> Andre_Gondim: should be in the same place.  I remember that during the gutsy alphas I had to install it from the repos though.
[13:17] <Andre_Gondim> Pici, i did upgrade from gutsy to hardy, and this option does not here... how may I resintall?
[13:17] <Gigamo_> try running "restricted-drivers-manager" from the terminal
[13:18] <Pici> !info restricted-manager
[13:18] <ubotu> Package restricted-manager does not exist in hardy
[13:18] <Pici> hrm.
[13:18] <Andre_Gondim> yeah, i saw this when a try
[13:19] <Pici> The package is named restricted-manager on my system :/
[13:19] <Gigamo_> !info restricted-drivers-manager
[13:19] <ubotu> Package restricted-drivers-manager does not exist in hardy
[13:19] <Gigamo_> \o/
[13:20] <Gigamo_> to come back to my question since noone answered yet, which way is the safest upgrading from gutsy to hardy? renaming all gutsy entries to hardy in sources.list or running update-manager -d?
[13:21] <Andre_Gondim> Gigamo_, i think update-manager -d
[13:21] <Gigamo_> kk
[13:21] <Gigamo_> is it advised to close any running apps while doing that?
[13:22] <Pici> I dont.
[13:23] <Gigamo_> think i'll wait for alpha 4 to be released and then give it a spin then ^
[13:27] <Andre_Gondim> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/177141 about restricted drivers manager
[13:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177141 in ubuntu "[Hardy 8.04 Alpha-1] Restricted drivers administration does not exist. (Restricted-manager is not installed by default.)" [High,Confirmed]
[13:27] <Pici> Aha.
[13:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, I have no printer configuration entry in the gnome menu in hardy, what is the correct package?
[13:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I tried gnome-cups-manager but that's the feisty interface
[13:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> system-config-printer
[13:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> will it stay in hardy ?
[13:42] <wastrel> i have that package
[13:42] <verb3k> Le-Chuck_ITA, I'm not at Hardyd at the moment, but can't you get that if you enter it in the command line
[13:42] <verb3k> Le-Chuck_ITA, Hardy*
[13:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I installed that, the doubt was why I didn't have it in principle
[13:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if others have it, I will just keep it :)
[13:43] <verb3k> Le-Chuck_ITA, don't worry, the Final Heron will just be fine :)
[13:44] <wastrel> i didn't have nautilus at one point :]
[13:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ehe
[13:44] <wastrel> so yeah it's just a symptom of running an alpha release
[13:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok however I am pretty satisfied with the result: I configured a network printer and printed a test page in 10 seconds
[13:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> do that on windows, ah!
[13:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks all
[14:06] <jimmyspark> owww cool
[14:15] <verb3k> jimmyspark, what's cool :)
[14:15] <jimmyspark> this chat room :D
[14:16] <verb3k> jimmyspark, it's nice but not as active as #ubuntu
[14:17] <jimmyspark> I don't run hardy yet, will prolly give it a few more weeks before i wack it on my desktop
[14:17] <jimmyspark> u on it verb?
[14:20] <verb3k> jimmyspark, I am like you, but I saw the the Hardy alpha release notes and there are awesome :)
[14:20] <verb3k> jimmyspark, take a look:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha4
[14:21] <verb3k> jimmyspark, we were in dire need of the CD burning solution and a decent bittorrent client in GNOME(KDE already have those)
[14:22] <jimmyspark> i've used bittornado before and thought it to be pretty good?
[14:23] <jimmyspark> oww i like the new world clock applet! heh
[14:23] <jimmyspark> i love eye candy :P
[14:23] <jimmyspark> system monitor revamp is nice too
[14:24] <verb3k> where are you from?
[14:24] <jimmyspark> oww i like the policy kit too
[14:24] <jimmyspark> UK, u?
[14:24] <verb3k> I knew that :)  I am from Saudi Arabia
[14:24] <jimmyspark> i saw a suggestion for the new theme for hardy on launchpad site, hope they do something new
[14:25] <verb3k> I don't think Hardy will have a new theme, probably just minor improvements over the previous one
[14:25] <jimmyspark> how did you know?
[14:26] <verb3k> know what?
[14:26] <jimmyspark> verb3k: I knew that :)  I am from Saudi Arabia
[14:27] <verb3k> your use of language reveals this :)
[14:27] <jimmyspark> ahh :P
[14:27] <jimmyspark> my cousin use to work in saudi
[14:27] <jimmyspark> for one of the royal families or something, he was the head of their house
[14:28] <verb3k> nice, do you watch football? PL ?
[14:28] <jimmyspark> nah don't really follow football
[14:28] <verb3k> I see, lots of UK people are insane about it (man united heh)
[14:29] <jimmyspark> haha, yes they are - not my cup of tea though! haha
[14:30] <jimmyspark> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardy-sparkle - this sounds good too
[14:31] <verb3k> Nice, did you see the new Face Browser ? See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/GdmFaceBrowser
[14:32] <verb3k> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gdm-face-browser
[14:32] <jimmyspark> mmm GL login screen! nice
[14:33] <jimmyspark> yes this looks cool!
[14:33] <jimmyspark> hope i'll be bale to use the desktop effects full time after hardy
[14:33] <jimmyspark> still a little too unstable for everyday use i've found
[14:34] <verb3k> yes, work is in progress in that area
[14:34] <jimmyspark> shame they aint putting AWN in to hardy
[14:34] <verb3k> AWN is more unstable than compiz-fusion
[14:36] <verb3k> and not all people really like eye candy :)  in fact ubuntu may be used in corporate environments so this type of feature won't be appreciated there
[14:36] <jimmyspark> yeah i suppose, i use it at work + at home
[14:36] <Pici> Hardy needs to be stable for LTS, not as gutsy as Gutsy was
[14:37] <jimmyspark> i don;t use awn though, although it's nice desktop effects make my workstations unstable
[14:37] <jimmyspark> yeah
[14:37] <verb3k> True, gutsy is the most unstable release since I started using ubuntu
[14:37] <jimmyspark> i've still got my folks on dapper drake :P
[14:37] <jimmyspark> I found edgey to be the most unstable
[14:37] <jimmyspark> edgy **
[14:38] <Pici> I always forget about Edgy.
[14:39] <verb3k> I am still refraining from distributing ubuntu because I am wating for the LTS release(gutsy is surely not suitable for large-scale distribution)
[14:39] <jimmyspark> we all use gutsy where i work :-)
[14:40] <jimmyspark> usplash still is buggy in gutsy out of the box
[14:40] <Pici> Although users have to suffer with the unstableness of desktop effects, I'm glad we got it in Gutsy because I'm sure it would be nixed for its first implementation in an LTS.
[14:42] <verb3k> yeah, pushing the new technologies aggressively to the real use environment is what will make them better
[14:43] <verb3k> I've got to go now guys, see you soon :)
[14:46] <jimmyspark> see ya verb3k
[14:47] <jimmyspark> yeah Pici, thats a good point - i'm glad they made the release too, when they are stable ubuntu will kick osX & vistas ass in that department
[15:12] <Gigamo_> !info awesome
[15:12] <ubotu> awesome (source: awesome): dynamic and tiling window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.final-1 (hardy), package size 42 kB, installed size 200 kB
[15:24] <oly-> hi, just a quick question anyone know when mysql-query-browser might be fixed or if anyone plans to fix it ?
[15:25] <oly-> been waiting for an update for it for a while now, so more concerned that some one knows its broke and plans to fix it for the final release
[15:27] <oly-> i was going to report a bug, but all it says is that mysql-query-browser does not use launchpad for bug tracking which is not helpful :p
[15:27] <hit> best way to get rid of mesa drivers?
[16:49] <Assid> heya
[16:50] <mtaylor> hey all -- I'm getting segfaults on hardy when trying to run /lib/cpp
[17:07] <articpenguin3800> will a kernel upgrade break my ndiswrapper
[17:12] <kristian42> MY gnome desktop doesnt seem to start properly with recent updates. Anyone know how to fix ?
[17:13] <kristian42> q
[17:17] <mtaylor> um
[17:17] <mtaylor> mtaylor@solace:~$ ls -ltra /lib/cpp
[17:17] <mtaylor> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2008-01-27 17:38 /lib/cpp -> /etc/alternatives/cpp
[17:17] <mtaylor> mtaylor@solace:~$ sudo update-alternatives --list /lib/cpp
[17:17] <mtaylor> No alternatives for /lib/cpp.
[17:18] <kristian42> Hello ! Can someone tell me how to bring up the gnome desktop? It broke a day or so ago..
[17:20] <kristian42> help
[17:22] <mtaylor> kristian42: don't know for sure - but make sure ubuntu-desktop is installed? mine got uninstalled yesterday by mistake
[17:23] <kristian42> mtaylor: No its installed, I get the brown screen but no icons of any sort
[17:23] <mtaylor> oh fun
[17:23] <mtaylor> kristian42: that I haven't seen
[17:25] <kristian42> Would you know how I could reset the whole gnome configuration ?
[17:27] <flipstar> whats about sudo dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop ?
[17:28] <kristian42> flipstar: I tried that, but it didnt help :(
[17:33] <WorkingOnWise> would the package "hibernate" be a good thing to try if my laptop doesn't properly suspend or hibernate with Ubuntu "out-of-the-box"? I really dont think it is a Hardy issue. I think it is a cheapo hacked up oem bios issue...
[17:35] <smallfoot-> when alpha4 come?
[17:35] <flipstar> few days
[17:36] <flipstar> 31.01 see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[17:36] <kalpik> 31st jan
[17:36] <smallfoot-> ok thanks
[17:37] <smallfoot-> why is final come after alpha6?
[17:37] <smallfoot-> isnt supposed be alpha, beta, rc?
[17:38] <kalpik> smallfoot-, beta is there :) look harder ;)
[17:39] <smallfoot-> oh
[17:39] <Assid> heyaerr
[17:39] <Assid> alpha is no where near complete
[17:40] <smallfoot-> maybe page is little unclear for me
[17:40] <smallfoot-> ya, i noticed alpha3 was sucks, it was run like windows95 alpha1
[17:40] <kalpik> :P
[17:40] <smallfoot-> :D
[17:41] <kalpik> smallfoot-, i (fortunately) have 0 issues with updated alpha3
[17:41] <smallfoot-> oh
[17:41] <smallfoot-> my alpha3 works sucks
[17:41] <smallfoot-> i cant use ubuntu
[17:42] <Assid> mine didnt even shut down right
[17:42] <Assid> im afraid it wont start up again
[17:43] <smallfoot-> when you upgrade to alpha release, it should warn you with red text "Are you fucking crazy? Seriously?"
[17:43] <smallfoot-> lol
[17:43] <smallfoot-> i regret upgrading to alpha
[17:43] <jussi01> !language
[17:43] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:43] <smallfoot-> i didnt know it would suck
[17:43] <smallfoot-> ok sry
[17:43] <kalpik> smallfoot-, they do that on the forums :)
[17:43] <smallfoot-> they should do it inside the update manager, cuz i didnt read forum
[17:43] <kalpik> smallfoot-, that's your bad then ;)
[17:43] <smallfoot-> i just updated, thought it would be ubuntu 7.10 with new cool software, but oh no, it was a mess
[17:43] <Assid> alpha is ummm ... "alpha " ?
[17:44] <Pici> Not sure what you are expecting from an alpha...
[17:44] <kalpik> smallfoot-, lol..
[17:44] <kalpik> Pici, he told you what he was expecting - "new cool software" :p
[17:44] <Assid> "welcome to alpha ubuntu ... we are now future ready and can read your brains.. with less crashes"
[17:46] <smallfoot-> and i read this new X would be awesome and auto-detect everything, and be all good and work without config files
[17:46] <smallfoot-> but it runs crap screen resolution with crap refresh rate
[17:46] <kalpik> smallfoot-, notice the "would be"? :P
[17:47] <smallfoot-> yeah, but its not
[17:47] <smallfoot-> and its final release of xorg 7.3, so thats what it should be
[17:47] <kalpik> smallfoot-, not necessarily.. integration is a huge part that decides how software behaves
[17:48] <smallfoot-> oh
[17:48] <smallfoot-> well then i hope final ubuntu8 will be good
[17:48] <Pici> Once we start getting to the later alphas is when things really start to work together
[17:48] <kalpik> smallfoot-, dont hope, it WILL be good
[17:48] <smallfoot-> ok :D
[17:48] <kalpik> smallfoot-, especially since its gonna be an LTS
[17:49] <smallfoot-> oh
[17:49] <smallfoot-> LTS means its gonna be a boring ass release which is same like 7.10 with nothing new?
[17:49] <kalpik> smallfoot-, no! LTS=it will be more stable
[17:49] <smallfoot-> ok
[17:49] <smallfoot-> then all versions should be LTS
[17:50] <Pici> LTS = long term support = it pretty much has to be stable
[17:50] <smallfoot-> in windows you have 10 year LTS
[17:50] <Assid> jhahahahaha
[17:50] <Assid> roflmao
[17:50] <kalpik> smallfoot-, heh.. good point.. if you want a perfectly stable distro, try debian stable ;)
 in windows you have 10 year LTS
[17:50] <kalpik> =))
[17:50] <smallfoot-> yeah
[17:50] <hit> a stable os is boring imo :p
[17:50] <Assid> that goes for print on my door
[17:50] <Assid> smallfoot-: no windows has 10 year support
[17:51] <Assid> not even windows xp
[17:51] <smallfoot-> server versions does
[17:51] <smallfoot-> other versions got atleast 5 year support
[17:51] <kalpik> smallfoot-, want more support? try RHEL!
[17:51] <kalpik> smallfoot-, there are so many options my friend!
[17:51] <kalpik> use the one that suits you the most!
[17:51] <Pici> smallfoot-: Even if it Windows did, its a compeletly different animal, not free/libre
[17:52] <smallfoot-> Windows NT 4.0 - Release date: 	July 29, 1996 -- Extended Support Period until June/July 2010,[2][3] security updates will be provided free of cost and paid support is still available.
[17:52] <smallfoot-> oops, Unsupported as of December 31, 2004.[1] not 2010
[17:52] <Assid> smallfoot-: and windows nt 4.0 costed........ ?
[17:52] <smallfoot-> windows 2000 is 2010
[17:52] <Assid> thats the only sane server they released
[17:53] <smallfoot-> Windows XP - Release date: 	October 25, 2001 info -- Mainstream support (only with Service Pack 2 and Service Pack 3) Extended support until period April 8, 2014[
[17:53] <smallfoot-> thats 13 year extended support
[17:53] <Assid> hrmm
[17:53] <Pici> I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, you really cant compare a Linux distribution to windows in terms of support.
[17:53] <Assid> and what was windows millenium
[17:53] <smallfoot-> Pici, why not?
[17:54] <Assid> smallfoot-: when you pay for linux.. thats when you compare
[17:54] <smallfoot-> Assid, WinME 6 years. Release date: 	September 14, 2000. Unsupported as of July 11, 2006
[17:54] <smallfoot-> oh
[17:54] <Assid> you want support.. pay a company for it
[17:55] <Assid> it costs money to support older versions of software
[17:55] <Assid> unless you plan to provide free support for older versions, your welcome to do so if you are
[17:56] <kalpik> Assid, smallfoot- not really!
[17:56] <kalpik> look at centos
[17:56] <kalpik> How long will CentOS-2 updates be supported?
[17:56] <kalpik> We intend to support CentOS-2 updates until May 31 2009.
[17:56] <Assid> the reason why you dont upgrade windows that often is cause it costs money.. and organisations dont wanna buy 100s of licenses everytime microsoft sneezes out a new os
[17:56] <Assid> kalpik: and centos is by a company ?
[17:57] <Assid> some kind of organisation?
[17:57] <Assid> heck.. check debian woody
[17:57] <kalpik> Assid, its same as RHEL.. only free
[17:57] <kalpik> Assid, centos 2 is OLD! current version is centos5 :)
[17:57] <Assid> k
[17:58] <Assid> well im just saying
[17:58] <Assid> it costs resources to support older platform
[17:58] <kalpik> yeah true
[17:58] <Assid> if you take debian for example
[17:58] <Assid> first and foremost its sooo damn huge it has different versions for different platforms
[17:59] <Assid> imagine making backports for every version of every platform for more than 5 years
[17:59] <Assid> ridiculous!
[17:59] <Assid> then why upgrade?
[17:59] <kalpik> heh yeah
[17:59] <Assid> why not just come out with windows 98 SP15 ?
[18:00] <kalpik> smallfoot-, anyway, if you like windows more cause of its support, by all means USE it! :)
[18:00] <Assid> smallfoot-: dont feel bad.. im using it as my desktop.. but my servers and laptop all use linux
[18:01] <Assid> if you care more about extended support..you can vcery well stick to xp
[18:01] <Assid> its just same old thing.. with longer support
[18:02] <Assid> and if you pay microsoft.. im sure they will support 98 too]
[18:04] <flipstar> will hardy finally run on 2.6.24 ?
[18:04] <flipstar> i heard 2.6.25 just released
[18:05] <Spenser309> flipster 24 relased yesterday
[18:06] <flipstar> hm and what do you think when will ext4 be stable enough ?
[18:07] <Spenser309> im sorry 24 kernel landed on the 24
[18:07] <Spenser309> jan 24
[18:08] <Spenser309> From what ive read ext4 is very stable the question is just if its enterprise stable
[18:09] <smallfoot-> oh cool
[18:10] <flipstar> nice
[18:42] <Gnine> removed flashnonfree, installed gnash via synaptic - system restart: failure - no flash playback - firefox did not recognized gnash. reinstalled flashnonfree - restart - flash media: ok.
[18:43] <Gnine> x86_64 amd tk53
[19:07] <wastrel> hi
[19:10] <blkorpheus> yo
[20:45] <Nik0la0s> hello
[20:46] <Nik0la0s> any idea why echo "test" | mailx -s "hello friend" nikos1337@gmail.com
[20:46] <Nik0la0s>  doesnt sent me the mail?
[20:46] <wastrel> try with -v and you can get verbose output with some useful error msgs maybe
[20:47] <Nik0la0s>   ** nikos1337@gmail.com R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported
[20:48] <Nik0la0s> can you help me
[20:48] <Nik0la0s> i ant send neither with mutt or mailx
[20:48] <wastrel> did you install postfix?  is this hardy?
[20:48] <Nik0la0s> yes it is hardy
[20:48] <Nik0la0s> nik@dell:~$ uname -a
[20:48] <Nik0la0s> Linux dell 2.6.24-3-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 3 23:30:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:49] <Nik0la0s> isnt mutt adequate?
[20:49] <wastrel> you need postfix.
[20:49] <Nik0la0s> why?
[20:49] <wastrel> mutt can't talk to a remote mail server, it uses local transport
[20:50] <Nik0la0s> mutt and mail can only talk to local MTA ?
[20:50] <Nik0la0s> which is postfix?
[20:50] <wastrel> that's correct
[20:50] <Nik0la0s> is there a cli mail cleint that can use remote MTA?
[20:51] <wastrel> maybe pine i don't know.  postfix isn't horrible
[20:51] <wastrel> sendmail is but fortunately for us postfix exists :]
[20:51] <Nik0la0s> i dont knwo how to configure postfix
[20:52] <Nik0la0s> can you helpe me configute postfix?
[20:52] <wastrel> install it and open /etc/postfix/main.cf
[20:52] <Nik0la0s> it asks soem things during instalaltion
[20:53] <Nik0la0s> do i need psotfix or exim?
[20:53] <wastrel> postfix
[20:53] <Nik0la0s> why this ?>?
[20:54] <wastrel> both will work, postfix is easier imo
[20:54] <Nik0la0s> ok
[20:54] <Nik0la0s> sudo nano etc/postfix/main.cf ?
[20:54] <Nik0la0s> ?
[20:55] <wastrel> if you use nano
[20:55] <Nik0la0s> yes
[20:55] <Nik0la0s> okey its na mepty fike
[20:55] <Nik0la0s> file
[20:55] <wastrel> are you in /  ?
[20:56] <Nik0la0s> nik@dell:~$ pwd
[20:56] <Nik0la0s> /home/nik
[20:56] <wastrel> /etc/postfix/main.cf should exist
[20:57] <Nik0la0s> ah yes it does
[20:57] <Nik0la0s> now?
[20:57] <wastrel> add a line  relayhost = your.isps.mailserver
[20:58] <Nik0la0s> bottom end?
[20:58] <wastrel> at the bottom should be fine
[20:58] <Nik0la0s> wait
[20:58] <Nik0la0s> how cna i search for this line inside the file using nano?
[20:58] <Nik0la0s>  /relay ?
[20:58] <wastrel> my default one seems to have it
[20:58] <wastrel> i odn't know how to search in nano
[20:59] <wastrel> just scroll down to the bottom, it's not a long file
[20:59] <Nik0la0s> ye sit does!
[20:59] <Nik0la0s> i want to use gmail's smtp server
[20:59] <wastrel> smtp auth?  i don't know how to do that offhand
[21:00] <Nik0la0s> relayhost = smtp.gmail.com
[21:00] <Nik0la0s> ?
[21:00] <Nik0la0s> its TLS
[21:00] <Nik0la0s> and its port is 587
[21:00] <wastrel> http://ben.franske.com/blogs/2005/09/06/postfix_smtp_auth_support_for_relayhost
[21:01] <Nik0la0s> what do i need to add?
[21:01] <Nik0la0s> to tell it use 587 port and tls?
[21:03] <wastrel> i can't say - mine is a basic smtp relay on 25 no auth no security
[21:03] <Nik0la0s>  smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes
[21:03] <Nik0la0s> smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
[21:03] <Nik0la0s> smtp_sasl_security_options =
[21:03] <Nik0la0s> do i ahve to add these lines?
[21:05] <Nik0la0s> if i sue another basic server
[21:05] <Nik0la0s> 'do i need to tell it its 25?
[21:06] <Nik0la0s> nik@dell:~$ echo "test" | mail -v -s "hello friend" nikos1337@gmail.com
[21:06] <Nik0la0s> Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to <nik>.
[21:06] <Nik0la0s> wastrel, ?
[21:07] <Nik0la0s> it deosnt work!
[21:07] <Nik0la0s> hELP
[21:08] <wastrel> i'm reading the docs
[21:08] <wastrel> relayhost takes   hostname:port
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> myhostname = dell
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> mydestination = dell, localhost.localdomain, localhost
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> relayhost = mail.forthnet.gr
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 192.168.0.0/16
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> mailbox_size_limit = 0
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> recipient_delimiter =
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> inet_interfaces = loopback-only
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> inet_protocols = all
[21:08] <wastrel> 25 is default, you don't need to specify
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> ahhh
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> so it must be
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> relayhost = mail.forthnet.gr:25
[21:08] <Nik0la0s> so it is ok as it is?
[21:09] <Nik0la0s> i put 25 anyhow
[21:09] <Nik0la0s> but mail still aitn sent
[21:09] <wastrel> you probably want to remove the ssl stuff because the relayhost isn't using it now
[21:09] <wastrel> ah you didn't put that in.
[21:10] <Nik0la0s> yes i remove it
[21:10] <Nik0la0s> when i decided to use my isp mail settigns'instead of gmails
[21:10] <Nik0la0s> nik@dell:~$ echo "test" | mutt -s "hello friend" nikos1337@gmail.com
[21:10] <Nik0la0s> nik@dell:~$
[21:11] <Nik0la0s> but no mail arrives at gmai address :)
[21:11] <wastrel> change your hostname
[21:11] <Nik0la0s> :(
[21:11] <Nik0la0s> to what?
[21:11] <wastrel> it needs to be an internet address
[21:11] <Nik0la0s> dell isnt acceptable?
[21:11] <Nik0la0s> you mean this myhostname = dell
[21:11] <wastrel> probably not due to anti-spam
[21:11] <wastrel> yes.  myhostname = forthenet.gr
[21:11] <wastrel> maybe
[21:12] <Nik0la0s> without username in front?
[21:12] <Nik0la0s> myhostname = forthnet.gr
[21:12] <Nik0la0s> ?
[21:12] <Nik0la0s> or
[21:12] <wastrel> whatever works. give it a try
[21:12] <Nik0la0s> myhostname = nikos@forthnet.gr
[21:12] <Nik0la0s> networks ok?
[21:12] <Nik0la0s> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 192.168.0.0/16
[21:13] <Nik0la0s> it worked!!!!
[21:13] <wastrel> yes the 192.168/16 isn't necessary unless this machine is accepting mail from the LAN
[21:13] <Nik0la0s> it fucking worked!
[21:13] <Nik0la0s> it needed change to the hiostanme
[21:14] <wastrel> thank spammers for that
[21:14] <Nik0la0s> lol yeah
 yes the 192.168/16 isn't necessary unless this machine is accepting mail from the LAN
[21:14] <Nik0la0s> what do you mean by that?
[21:14] <wastrel> used to be nobody'd care what you said you were sending from
[21:14] <wastrel> ok the 192.168/16 is the LAN address.  it means the server is listening for machines on the LAN who want to relay mail through it.
[21:15] <wastrel> this would be fine if you have trusted machines on that lan who need to relay mail through your postfix
[21:15] <Nik0la0s> you mean other pcs using my pc to send mals cause iam runnign postfix?
[21:15] <wastrel> it's unnecessary otherwise.  and  bad if you're say, wifi and any old person can spam through your postfix if they're on the same 192.168/16 network
[21:16] <Nik0la0s> true
[21:16] <Nik0la0s> ill remove it
[21:16] <Nik0la0s> will it work if i use as hostanme soemthign else that forthnet.gr ?
[21:17] <wastrel> probably , but probably needs to be something that resolves to a real internet ip
[21:17] <wastrel> depends on the policy of the relay host
[21:17] <wastrel> in this case they're obviously checking
[21:17] <wastrel> because dell didn't work
[21:18] <Nik0la0s> ill try again!
[21:18] <Nik0la0s> mydestination = dell, localhost.localdomain, localhost
[21:18] <Nik0la0s> also what this tell postfix?
[21:18] <wastrel> what machine it's running on
[21:19] <wastrel> basically what "local" mail looks like
[21:19] <wastrel> user@localhost
[21:20] <Nik0la0s> if i get an answer to what mail it willr eturn to?
[21:20] <Nik0la0s> nik@dell:~$ echo "test" | mutt -s "hello friend" nikos1337@gmail.com
[21:20] <Nik0la0s> sendmail: warning: valid_hostname: invalid character 64(decimal): orthodox@hacker.gr
[21:20] <Nik0la0s> :(
[21:21] <Nik0la0s> sendmail: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter myhostname: bad parameter value: orthodox@hacker.gr
[21:21] <wastrel> you have unicode in there?
[21:21] <wastrel> you have @  in there
[21:21] <wastrel> myhostname isn't an email address
[21:21] <Nik0la0s> yes i put a username infront
[21:21] <Nik0la0s> a domain instead?
[21:21] <wastrel> it needs to be a dns name not an email name
[21:22] <wastrel> no @
[21:22] <Nik0la0s> but what if i want to make it seem if from a@b.com ?
[21:22] <wastrel> that's the mail client's job
[21:22] <wastrel> hrm .  you can do that with envelope rewrites
[21:22] <wastrel> i forget how
[21:23] <Nik0la0s> i used myhostanem = hacker.rg and it worked!
[21:23] <wastrel> i have to run out and do some errands.
[21:23] <Nik0la0s> damn
[21:23] <wastrel> have fun sending mail
[21:23] <Nik0la0s> will you be back?
[21:23] <Nik0la0s> thanks
[22:11] <askand> How is tracker working in hardy? Better than in Gutsy?
[22:15] <blkorpheus> tracker is eating resources
[22:15] <blkorpheus> apt-get rid of tracker
[22:17] <askand> blkorpheus: ah ok, tought it was fixed..boring :(
[22:48] <ace> what is the command for services program?
[22:48] <Pici> bum?
[22:49] <ace> default program, when you go to system>services
[22:49] <ace> mine will not open
[22:50] <Pici> ace: services-admin
[22:51] <Pici> Is places>networking working? two of my hardy machines are complaing about it, but I'm not sure if its because they were upgraded.
[22:52] <ace> yes thats it, and yes that does not work either
[22:53] <Pici> Ah, found it: bug 185756
[22:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185756 in nautilus "Couldn't display "network:///" - Nautilus cannot handle network:locations" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185756
[22:54] <ace> took me forever to get screens and graphics program, gtkdisplay-configure i think its called, to work. solution was to add a server layout section to xorg.conf
[23:45] <phroughy> !synaptics
[23:45] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[23:48] <phroughy> exit
[23:52] <phroughy> woot, i got my synaptics touchpad working in hardy
[23:52] <phroughy> next up: nvidia