[01:06] what are the possible ubuntu bot ! stuff you can use? [01:06] eg: !avi !dual-boot [01:07] ..... [01:07] ok then....bye [01:08] !bot > michalski (michalski, see the private message from Ubotu) [01:15] In #ubuntu-bots, michalski said: !what is the best computer? [01:28] anyone care to /lastlog htns in #ubuntu-offtopic and tell me whether they think he has a reason to stay in the channel? [01:29] send him !coc and !guidelines and !o4o [01:30] FYI, what he said after i muted him: [02:26:22] lol [02:26:40] Yep, here it is you guys [02:26:43] I am being persecuted [02:26:49] For standing up to the homosexual establishment [01:32] LjL: good lord no. [01:34] tonyyarusso: no, as in don't unmute? too late [01:34] LjL: As in doesn't have a reason to stay. [01:35] tonyyarusso: if he doesn't say anything more, he's fine [01:35] all right, but I'm doubtful [01:35] yeah it was the first warning. although bah [01:35] (of course we know that aint happenin') [02:01] PM (from -ot kick): [03:01:24] are you girl? when are you unbanning me please? [02:09] PM: [03:08:43] unban me [03:09:01] unban me [02:18] ok, htns went from periodically saying "unban me" and later "cake boy" in PM, to CTCP PING flooding [02:18] i'm issuing a /silence [02:20] LjL: you're not +C ? [02:21] nope, because that stops me from *seeing* incoming ctcps as well [02:21] ah [02:21] ljl-temp is +C [02:21] (although with the floodbots i suppose i won't have a need to stop ctcp attacks anymore, hopefully) [02:30] hi [02:33] Amaranth , AndrewB , Dave2 , Daviey , Hobbsee , jdong , jenda, jpatrick , jrib , jussi01 , LjL , Mez , mneptok , nalioth , nixternal , njan , no0tic , Pici , pleia2 , popey , robotgeek , seanw , Seeker , Seveas , SportChick , stdin , Tm_T , tomaw , tonyyarusso , tritium , vorian , crd1b , crdlb , fdoving_ , Fujitsu , ikonia , JanC , mc44 , PreZ , RenatO , Thugacation , ubot3 , ubotu , Ubotwo... [02:33] ..., ubuntulog [02:33] hmm? [02:33] Thugacation: ? [02:33] that fool should INDEED know better [02:35] For the foul language in your /part message that violates the Code of Conduct language policy. [02:36] wot does this mean [02:36] No, it does not mean [02:36] "wot" [02:36] "wot" is not a word [02:36] wot r u saying [02:36] i cant understand u [02:36] English, please. [02:36] what does my part message say when i leave [02:38] Nope, I was wrong. It was another that had a foul /part message. [02:41] Thugacation: enough of the CTCPs [02:41] sry [02:41] Then why did you persist after I asked you to stop? [02:42] hi id like to contest some bans [02:42] Thugacation: you're now banned from #ubuntu for asking a blatantly malicious question. [02:42] malicious? [02:42] it's a part of irc [02:42] so is this [02:42] so it auto joiin [02:43] if bill gates didnt want you to ping each other he wouldnt have programmed it into computers [02:43] None of use are using Gates' code. [02:44] how do you know [02:44] once you start using linux you have to commit to it completely? [02:44] Thugacation: are you using Gates' code? [02:44] well i doubt he writes windows entirely by himself [02:44] or at all actually [02:44] so no [02:44] im not [02:45] Thugacation: well, you're using windows anyway... then i challenge you to typing these three words: "one" "two" and "three", each on a separate line, without something in your computer crashing [02:45] one [02:45] two [02:45] three [02:45] * jrib adds to quote db [02:45] yay i made it finally. [02:45] heh [02:45] LjL: did you ban him initially? If I did, I simply don't recall. [02:46] tritium: i don't recall either, TBH... but i know i've had to do with him enough times already [02:46] Ah, okay. [02:46] no, it wasn't me banning him [02:47] I'd have to review logs to find out when/why, then [02:47] tritium, did you know we have a handy bantracker? :) [02:47] yes ;) [02:47] i mean, it sometimes even loads [02:48] only on the second tuesday after a full moon during butterfly mating season [02:48] hey im back [02:48] yay [02:48] about those bans [02:49] can sum1 unban me in ##windows [02:49] no can i hell [02:50] Thugacation: if you want to discuss the ban pm me [02:50] Thugacation: does this look like ##windows-ops? [02:50] ban in ##windows, too? [02:50] well seeing as the ##windows op is in this room [02:50] i dont see why that's a problem [02:50] my, we do get around, don't we? [02:50] Thugacation: this is #ubuntu-ops, not ##windows [02:50] Thugacation: stick to the topic [02:51] ok [02:51] unban me in #ubuntu then [02:51] i don't think so [02:51] why not [02:51] because i banned you less than 10 minutes ago [02:51] everytime i come here i just wanna have a good time and i always get banned for no reason [02:51] linux users are elitists [02:51] LjL: you banned him on top of the previous ban? [02:51] i wasnt banned [02:51] duh [02:51] nalioth: i'm not sure, let us see [02:52] let him stay gone [02:52] AndrewB: he can stay gone from ##windows, too [02:52] nalioth: uhm i can't find the previous ban [02:52] although last time he was banned, he had no hostname (raw IP) [02:53] LjL: so he was coming in here every day just to pull our tails? [02:53] nalioth: I know [02:53] probably [02:54] ah yes, i found the ban [02:54] the still-active ban is *!*@64.223.60.29 [02:54] Hello, hanging here [02:55] banned from #ubuntu-offtopic [02:55] * LjL points rodserling to the topic [02:55] um what was he banned for in #ubuntu-*? [02:56] Alright, I'll get outta here. [02:57] AndrewB: trolling the first time, bot abuse a second time [02:58] meh htns is still PINGing me [02:58] thought i could remove the ignore by now [02:59] thanks LjL [02:59] LjL: he's got you on a war script [02:59] nalioth: if he had a war script, he'd be using clones [02:59] LjL: not necessarily [02:59] a ping barrage is pretty nasty [03:00] if a client has no decent ignore function - i suppose [03:28] to bebooooooo === crd1b is now known as crdlb [05:54] Good for all, bye [07:56] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [07:56] um :/ [07:56] I think they broke... [07:58] could someone -rR #ubuntu? [08:02] Seveas: #ubuntu is still +rR [08:10] is there any #ubuntu op around? [08:21] jussi01 called the ops in #kubuntu-offtopic () [08:22] la de da [08:24] ubuntu has been +rR for nearly 30 minutes now :/ [08:25] that would explain the ~30 nicks in -unregged [08:51] anyone? #ubuntu's been +rR for almost an hour now [08:56] stdin, fixed [09:49] ok...i need advice in regards to kah***** and our loco channel [09:51] at what point should i just boot him out? [09:53] kitofhawaii, what's he doing? [09:53] well a lot is in pm's as usual. telling off members, now he's telling off me as well [09:55] I'd have booted him already [09:55] irc doesn't end at the channel, CoC applies at PM's as well [09:56] ok...will contemplate this :) thank you. [10:13] what's the correct format for a ban? :) just /ban ? [10:15] kitofhawaii: nickname!ident@host [10:15] any of which can be wild-cards [10:22] it may be a non-issue after tomorrow...i am turning over the reigns of this team to someone else [10:23] kahrytan has made it absolutely impossible to deal with this loco [10:24] i don't mind helping, but i don't want to deal with this headache of being the buffer and having to apologize to people over his emails and whatnot -_- [10:27] if they can't abide by the CoC, then they shouldn't be in the LoCo at all [10:27] not in the loco anymore [10:27] but he's already sending emails to people that were our contacts [10:27] and i'm taking the time right now sending followup emails apologizing in advance for it [10:28] at least he's doing the nice service to me of notifying who he's contacting [10:28] what? he's emailing people one-on-one? report the abuse to his ISP [10:29] yep...*sighs* he's doing it i guess from his gmail account [10:30] it should still have his IP address in there somewhere, if not then report to google too [10:30] and he's planning to sell t-shirts with our logo on it for profit...aye...yah...blarg [10:31] i really hate this so much. more than half my effort with this loco has been dealing with buffering between him and others. and now he's out and it continues [10:43] guys can I request a change to the !flash factoid please. === RenaTo is now known as RenaTu [10:45] kitofhawaii: is this kahrytan being an issue again [10:46] yep. [10:46] i'm trying to smooth it out with him again [10:47] he's trouble and a terrible representative of ubunut. I've lodged a request with loco council members to not allow him to represent a loco team (rightly or wrongly) [10:52] ikonia, what do you want to change? [10:53] Seveas: just a general shorter description, one !factoid launching 2 reasonable long ones for a common question (flash is now a common question) appears to be flooding the channel on a regular basis [10:53] as soon as flash is mentioned everyone hits !flash which launches 2 x 5 line factoids [10:53] just a reasonable short quick summary while it's broke [10:53] rather than the 2 factoids [11:00] Seveas: any thought/comment ? [11:44] LetsGo67> !ops > LetsGo67 === no0tic__ is now known as no0tic [12:55] @btlogin === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick [13:24] I never understood why people think that !list will work in #ubuntu. [13:24] kamus who came in and was disruptive is in the same groups as dukan that just came in and started [13:24] both from br [13:27] mattd: Can we help you today? [13:27] er, how can we help you? [13:34] @btlogin [13:39] Pici: sorry I was alseep there for a moment [13:40] student and king on #ubuntu, same person, apparently chatting with himself [13:40] n=student@oliver.efpu.hr now suzi too [13:42] now more [13:42] WARNING: student, king, suzi, ivana, ratnici are all connected from oliver.efpu.hr [13:42] it appears about 6 people are using the same user login and the same host but with 6 different nicks [13:43] and slafka [13:43] no0tic: "joder" == "f***" as in damn! [13:43] I think we need to bounce the clowns [13:44] jpatrick, thanks, so can I remove who says that? [13:44] well, it's quite common [13:44] jpatrick, ok :) [13:44] stdin: I think an /amfr is in order [13:45] WHat about these guys in ubuntu.. how should we handle them [13:45] jpatrick: I don't have access in #u [13:45] stdin: me neither... [13:45] anyone has? [13:45] ----!ops? [13:45] I am op in ubuntu [13:45] !ops | n=student@oliver.efpu.hr [13:45] n=student@oliver.efpu.hr: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Jack_Sparrow! [13:45] no0tic called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (n=student@oliver.efpu.hr) [13:46] eh? [13:46] ** student__ [n=student@oliver.efpu.hr] has joined #ubuntu [13:46] Jack_Sparrow: +b *!??student@oliver.efpu.hr if you wish [13:46] oh [13:46] Pici: attack of the clones === mattd is now known as ikonia [13:46] they aren't listening to messages about english only either [13:46] he simply chats with himself [13:46] i see stdin has pointed out the .hr users - slafka, ratnici, king, student_ all the same host mask [13:48] Jack_Sparrow: yeah, now the rest above [13:48] floodbots give a warning in -monitor when there are multiple connections from one host [13:48] Jack_Sparrow: ** ratnici [n=student@oliver.efpu.hr] has joined #ubuntuu [13:48] oliver.efpu.hr: suzi slafka ivana ratnici [13:49] Jack_Sparrow: /mode +b *!*@oliver.efpu.hr [13:49] Jack_Sparrow, ban hostmask :) [13:49] ** student__ [n=student@oliver.efpu.hr] has joined #ubuntu [13:49] and agin [13:49] I am new to all of this... tell me what to do and I will take care of it [13:50] Jack_Sparrow: /mode #ubuntu +b *!*@oliver.efpu.hr [13:50] Jack_Sparrow, jpatrick told you what to do [13:50] Jack_Sparrow: /mode +b *!*@oliver.efpu.hr - that'll keep them all out [13:50] Jack_Sparrow, then remove them all [13:50] jpatrick: need to specify the channel. [13:50] Pici: really, I don't [13:50] ivana is another one if not already mentioned [13:50] is there a way of listing all people in a channel with a given host mask [13:50] /clones [13:51] jpatrick: really? hrm, I guess if you have a smart client then. [13:51] Did that get it? [13:51] Pici: irssi ftw [13:51] Seeker`: There is a clones.pl for irssi [13:51] Sorry, working with a very sticky keyboard after spilling coffee in it yesterday [13:51] Jack_Sparrow: and the excuses ome...... ;) [13:51] come [13:51] (my C stuck then) [13:52] Pici: Where can I get that from? [13:52] Seeker`, you'll need to extend max_chan_who_sync to a number greater than #ubuntu users [13:52] Seeker`: I think its part of the irssi-scripts package. [13:52] Jack_Sparrow: bayr00t, ivana, student__, suzi [13:52] channel_max_who_sync [13:52] Pici: can you take care of the rest of those.... [13:53] Pici: use /amfr :) [13:53] there's just bayr00t and suzi left [13:53] You guys doing ok? [13:54] HI PriceChild could have used you a minute ago.. [13:54] Why? [13:54] I've been here, just watching :) [13:54] what's going on [13:55] hi LjL, some clones [13:55] I wasnt sure what to do, asked for second opinion, kinda saw it comming.. [13:55] saw those, were they actually malicious? sometimes they're just schools and such [13:55] but anyway, i was more talking about the mess the floodbots did [13:56] ahh, the bots seemed to excess flood after a ctcp ping to #ubuntu [13:56] This sticky keyboard isnt helping.. need to go get new one asap. way worse than yesterday. Nothing will help my spelling, but this is awful [13:56] then they thought there was a clone attack ant set +rR [13:56] stdin: and when they came back, they seemed to mute lots of random people [13:56] and that's not good [13:56] it was *one* ctcp ping? [13:57] LjL: They were being disruptive. [13:57] yeah one [13:57] I didn't see a ctcp ping [13:57] me neither [13:57] Seeker`: this was around 07:55 UTC, the bots went a bit mad [13:58] ah [13:58] #ubuntu was +rR for around an hour [13:58] [08:54] WARNING: Channel CTCP/NOTICE from buon, banned [13:58] stdin: I haven't seen a ctcp message since the 25th [13:58] fun times in -unregged [13:58] wtf an hour [13:58] Jack_Sparrow: Don't hesitate to ask in here if you're not sure what to do, I was nervous and confused when I first became an op and had to deal with these kind of issues. [13:58] LjL: the bots didn't -rR, maybe because Sev.as was +o still [13:58] * Seeker` is permanently confused, and he isn't even a #ubuntu op [13:59] stdin: no they should -rR anyway (unless someone *else* sets +rR) [13:59] Pici: That is why I asked for a second opinion... [13:59] :) [14:00] Pici: Made a note in here when I saw the second one join in [14:00] Jack_Sparrow: Ahh.. I stepped back to my desk right when the ! ops came through. [14:00] Nevermind me then ;) [14:01] Pici: I appreciate any guidance I can get.. [14:01] Jack_Sparrow: What client are you using? [14:01] Pici: I am fighting this darn keyboard [14:01] Konversation [14:02] LjL: nope, no one set mode +rR, just FloodBot1 [14:02] Plus I am trying to rework upstreamdev - canoe [14:03] 4 seconds after it joined [14:03] a CTCP *was* sent [14:03] Jack_Sparrow: ah, I'm not sure what scripts we have for Konversation, but I can say that for irssi a great set of aliases are invaluable for quickly dealing with issues. [14:03] 2640671-Jan 28 07:54:11 --- Received a CTCP VERSION from buon (to #ubuntu) [14:03] then the bots started pinging each other (i suspect due to a change i did the other day to the lag checking code...) like mad [14:03] so they excess flooded [14:04] when they came back, they saw lots of messages coming through at once [14:04] so they muted a couple of people [14:04] Pici: I have no problem trying irssi .. just not for a week or so... [14:04] when they realized they were muting *many* people, they called attack and set +rR [14:04] i don't yet know why they never unset it [14:04] xchat ftw (or at least until i find somewhere for an irssi screen) [14:04] it set +rR before it started muting [14:04] Jack_Sparrow: No need to change clients if you prefer konversation, I think a few people here use it. [14:04] is the irssi op script available somewhere? [14:04] only FloodBot1 [14:05] Pici, lj.l does. [14:05] Seeker`, yes no0tic.homelinux.org/~no0tic [14:05] Seeker`, ask no0tic [14:05] stdin: that's just because +rR is sent from the fast queue while mutes were sent in the slow queue, i think [14:05] thanks [14:05] Seeker`, auto_bleh [14:05] Seeker`: Let me upload my irssi aliases, I dont like auto_bleh. [14:05] Pici: what is wrong with it? [14:06] auto_bleh needs /cs bans and /cs u :P [14:06] LjL: hmm, that would make sense that way [14:06] can someone find me logs of #ubuntu from 7:50 to 9:00 with h/m/s timestamps? [14:07] LjL, 7.50 utc? [14:07] PriceChild: /cs u? [14:07] yeah [14:07] Seeker`, parses the user's identify and the list of bans in a channel, then remove the bans on any affecting that user. [14:08] I'll be back later. [14:09] hwo do you you set up /cs bans and /cs u [14:09] LjL: Has someone got you the logs? or would you like me to try and get them for you? [14:09] Seeker`: if you can, please [14:09] LjL: http://stdin.pastebin.com/d5b3f7cac luckily I joined at 07:50 [14:09] mine only have hour and minute [14:09] stdin: thanks [14:09] Seeker`: nm [14:10] LjL: k [14:10] Seeker`: http://nullcortex.com/code/irssi/aliases [14:10] Seeker`: ew, annoying irc client you have [14:10] showing each set mode on a separate line [14:11] err, that's stdin [14:12] it's annoying, but it has scripting support so I compromise :p [14:12] Pici, when chanserv is lagged "wait n" doesn't work well [14:12] no0tic: How do you set up /cs bans and /cs u [14:13] no0tic: I know. [14:13] Rarely is an issue though. [14:14] Seeker`, as explained by price? auto_bleh can't, but probably I'll write something [14:15] oh, I thought that he means that it needed them to be defined to run, not that auto_bleh was lacking them [14:17] ah.. don't know [14:18] * Seeker` waits for Gary to say something silly in -uk so he can try out auto_bleh [14:19] ikonia: thanks [14:19] welcome [14:20] * Seeker` only has super cow powers in -uk [14:20] ouch, not even a /remove, went straight for the /kick :p [14:20] Seeker`, join ##no0tic [14:36] ok, basically what happened with the floodbots is the worst thing that i knew could happen with the anti-paste feature [14:37] lag? [14:37] Pici: in a syllable, yes [14:37] either i lost connection (but without actually dropping the tcp connection), or the server did [14:37] for some minutes, the floodbots received nothing [14:37] then they all received PINGs from floodbot3, and replied to them [14:37] this caused them to excess flood [14:37] meanwhile, they were starting to flag people as flooders [14:38] and here comes the bug: [14:38] they "sent" a MODE +rR *before* excess flooding (i.e. sent to the *queue*, but it didn't reach the server before they excess flooded) [14:38] then they reconnected [14:39] *and the send queues were not cleared upon reconnection* [14:39] Ah.. [14:39] but the boolean that decides whether or not the bots are stopping an attack *does* get reset to FALSE [14:39] so, when they reconnected, they did send a +rR [14:39] but they had no clue they had set it [14:40] eww. Is that an easy fix or not? [14:40] Seeker`: yes [14:40] what's not easy to fix is understanding there is lag in the first place [14:40] yay \o/ [14:40] and avoiding to mute people when there is [14:40] hmm [14:40] the bots could easily end up muting everybody who spoke in the last 10 minutes [14:40] cant they ping the server or something? [14:41] if they don't receive anything from the server for 10 minutes [14:41] Seeker`: they ping each other, and they ping chanserv (and yeah they ping the server somewhere too) [14:41] Seeker`: but they do that every *minute* (if they did it more often they would risk flooding even more) [14:41] Seeker`: and people can send a few messages in one minute [14:42] so surely you just say if ping from the server is > x, stop doing anything until it returns to normal? [14:42] i will certainly disable paste detection on lag now, anyway [14:42] LjL: do they ping irc.freenode or the actual server that they are connected to? [14:42] Pici: it doesn't make any difference [14:42] Pici: you could send "PING :blahblah", what replies is always your server [14:43] LjL: I mean a non irc ping. [14:43] Although now that I think about it, I'm not sure it should matter. [14:44] Seeker`: well no what i say currently is "if ping from other bots / chanserv is > x, set -J". pasting is always detected. it's hard to do otherwise because of the implementation... but today's thing shows i definitely have to [14:44] but *even if i do that*, something like this (to a lesser extent hopefully) can still happen anyway [14:44] Pici: i don't send such pings, and i don't think i should [14:44] actually pinging chanserv (and the other bots) is enough really [14:45] if the server isn't answering, then chanserv can't be answering [14:46] Pici: the only reason i might want to do an actual ICMP ping is that it doesn't cost one IRC send [14:46] (with the throttling and risk of flooding out that results) [14:47] Right. [14:47] Pici: however is there anything really guaranteeing that if i receive an ICMP ping reply from the server, then the *TCP* connection to the server is alive too? [14:47] the ircd might be lagging while the IP stack might be working fine - not? [14:48] Yeah, if the ircd is down, then you're a bit out of luck. [14:48] Pici: down, or just lagging for a minute or so. [14:48] server desync is also pretty possible [14:48] i may not detect *anything* [14:49] (except perhaps lack of CTCP PING reply from another bot, if it happens to be on the desynced server) [14:49] yet i may receive a crapload of messages in less than 1 second when the server resyncs [14:49] netcat could be used to see if 6667/8001 is open though. I *think* that would work. [14:50] Pici, but even if it's open, *my* TCP connection to the server may be lagging for a hundred reasons [14:50]