john_s | stgraber: yeah, me neither. I don't know much about it except that it was supposed to be able to be a PDC/Fully participating catalog server in a domain | 00:00 |
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john_s | well, anyway I appreciate the chat. You wouldn't know how to get to a tty from a thin client would you? | 00:01 |
john_s | When I do alt+ctrl+f2 (or f3,f4 etc) the screen locks up on me) | 00:01 |
stgraber | you may try to boot it in console mode, then starting X by hand | 00:02 |
stgraber | SCREEN_07=shell (not sure for the 07, could be 06) | 00:04 |
stgraber | anyway, it's past 1am here and I have to wake up early tomorrow :) | 00:05 |
john_s | Ahh, I need to edit ldm.conf its coming back to me. | 00:05 |
john_s | stgraber: ok, thanks! | 00:05 |
john_s | bye | 00:05 |
y_ | Aside from the whole thin-client thing, what is the difference between EDU and Ubuntu? | 00:06 |
LaserJock | well, different artwork and theming of course | 00:09 |
LaserJock | and a good selection of educational applications | 00:09 |
LaserJock | generally Edubuntu is just more geared around education | 00:10 |
LaserJock | including the community | 00:10 |
LaserJock | but of course we share a lot with Ubuntu being a part of the same project | 00:11 |
LaserJock | y_: does that answer your question enough? | 00:14 |
y_ | Yes, I think so. | 00:15 |
y_ | Is there a built-in system for sharing users or do I need LDAP? | 00:15 |
y_ | (sharing users in a lab, that is) | 00:15 |
y_ | JaserJock ^ | 00:16 |
y_ | err | 00:16 |
y_ | LaserJock ^ | 00:16 |
LaserJock | well, for thin clients it's not much of an issue for in lab since they're all on the same server | 00:17 |
LaserJock | but LDAP is used quite a bit | 00:17 |
y_ | LaserJock -- I don't want thin clients because the lab isn't really archaic hardware. | 00:18 |
y_ | LaserJock -- They've got big enough disks and computing power, plus the strain on the network would make an already bad situation worse. | 00:18 |
y_ | But I had problems LDAP (importing the existing groups, specifically) | 00:19 |
y_ | I am also wondering if an upgrade to 7.10 is in order before all of this, or if there is some configuration option for labs that doesn't include thin-clients | 00:20 |
LaserJock | no, currently basically nothing is done for non-thinclient machines | 00:21 |
y_ | I read this on the website, LaserJock | 00:21 |
LaserJock | they are assumed to be basically just home machines with educational applications, however they are no worse than an Ubuntu machine | 00:21 |
y_ | "New pre-configured installation options have been added to the Ubuntu Server CD. Mail Server, File Server, Print Server, and Database Server options join existing LAMP and DNS options for pre-configured installations, easing the deployment of common server configurations." | 00:22 |
y_ | (about 7.10) | 00:22 |
y_ | wow, totally read LAMP as LDAP. Nevermind | 00:22 |
y_ | I'm just reading what I want to read now. heh. | 00:22 |
y_ | LaserJock, fair enough. If I upgrade the server do I have to upgrade the clients, too? | 00:22 |
LaserJock | well, everything is on the clients | 00:23 |
LaserJock | server rather | 00:23 |
y_ | What do you mean? | 00:23 |
LaserJock | so you upgrade the server, then upgrade the client chroot on the server, but that's it | 00:23 |
y_ | hmm | 00:24 |
LaserJock | y_: nothing is installed on the thin client to upgrade | 00:24 |
y_ | I meant non thin clients | 00:24 |
LaserJock | oh | 00:24 |
LaserJock | well, what are the clients for? | 00:24 |
y_ | Can 7.04's talk to 7.10's I guess is what I'm asking | 00:24 |
LaserJock | sure | 00:24 |
y_ | Its just a computer lab for elementary school students, teachers need to login too and share files and stuff | 00:24 |
LaserJock | it might depend a tad on what you're trying to "talk" | 00:24 |
y_ | (i've got a net loaded /home directory) | 00:24 |
y_ | basically I want to have a net installed home directory (or some other mechansm...) and then I want to share users with the clients to the server | 00:25 |
LaserJock | hmm, I can't say with any certainty | 00:27 |
LaserJock | you could sure ask the edubuntu-users mailing list | 00:28 |
y_ | hmm | 00:29 |
y_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-network-auth-server | 00:29 |
y_ | know anything about that? | 00:29 |
y_ | LaserJock ^ maybe you can interpret that | 00:29 |
y_ | That seems to imply Feisty is necessary (7.10?) | 00:30 |
LaserJock | I don't believe that's been finished yet | 00:31 |
LaserJock | good LDAP support has been a long-time goal but a tricky bugger to make user friendly | 00:31 |
y_ | LaserJock --> http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CreatingLDAPClients | 00:34 |
y_ | Am I naive to believe pure ol' linux works fine for Edubuntu? | 00:35 |
LaserJock | most likely it should | 00:37 |
LaserJock | we'd like to get it so users and groups are easily editable/importable from a GUI | 00:38 |
LaserJock | I've never done LDAP so I'm not a good person to ask | 00:39 |
LaserJock | but several guys on the edubuntu-users lists have been doing it for a long time | 00:39 |
y_ | cool | 00:41 |
moquist | LaserJock: hey! | 03:03 |
LaserJock | hi moquist | 03:04 |
moquist | LaserJock: I've had my head buried in a "startup" virtual school, and I'm hoping to emerge now to do something useful for hardy. | 03:05 |
moquist | pm? | 03:05 |
LaserJock | sure | 03:05 |
IsleVegan | why would the dhcp3-server start and restart and other commands always fail on a freshly installed edubuntu 7.10 with all the updates ? | 03:24 |
IsleVegan | it's a server install | 03:25 |
lns | IsleVegan, are you sure your dhcp.conf file is sane? | 03:33 |
IsleVegan | hmm, i'll look, i haven't edited it at all. it's the default file from the install | 03:35 |
IsleVegan | ltsp is new for me | 03:35 |
lns | IsleVegan, if you set it up initially wrong it won't load | 03:36 |
IsleVegan | is that in /etc/samba ? | 03:36 |
lns | look in /var/log for clues | 03:36 |
IsleVegan | i see a dhcp.conf in /etc/samba | 03:36 |
lns | try /etc/ltsp | 03:37 |
IsleVegan | i see it | 03:38 |
IsleVegan | is there a paste bin here? | 03:38 |
lns | !pastebin | 03:39 |
ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 03:39 |
IsleVegan | thanks | 03:39 |
IsleVegan | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53932/ | 03:40 |
IsleVegan | that's the file | 03:41 |
IsleVegan | ltsp.conf | 03:41 |
IsleVegan | this server has 2 ethernet ports | 03:42 |
lns | looks sane | 03:45 |
lns | i know in the past i've had to manually edit /etc/default/dhcp3-server (or something similar) and put in which eth adapter dhcp is listening on | 03:46 |
lns | check that out | 03:46 |
IsleVegan | thanks | 03:48 |
IsleVegan | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53934/ | 03:48 |
IsleVegan | that doesn't look right | 03:48 |
lns | yeah | 03:49 |
lns | put in which eth card is being used for the ltsp network | 03:49 |
lns | then /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart | 03:49 |
IsleVegan | great, i'll do that now | 03:49 |
IsleVegan | dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file. | 03:54 |
IsleVegan | i put in eth0 | 03:54 |
IsleVegan | both with quotes and then without quotes | 03:55 |
IsleVegan | tried both ways | 03:55 |
lns | it needs quotes | 03:55 |
lns | is eth0 up? | 03:55 |
IsleVegan | hmm, looking | 03:56 |
IsleVegan | it has a check mark in network control panel | 03:57 |
lns | does it have an ip? | 03:59 |
lns | if so, what is it? | 04:00 |
lns | (it needs to be the same as the dhcp range) | 04:00 |
IsleVegan | i was trying to follow the edubuntu guides on that | 04:02 |
IsleVegan | 192.168.0.254 | 04:03 |
lns | that's eth0 IP address? | 04:03 |
IsleVegan | yes | 04:03 |
lns | is it connected to the network? | 04:04 |
lns | can you ping out? | 04:04 |
IsleVegan | well, i'm using eth1 for that | 04:04 |
lns | but the server can get to the net? | 04:04 |
IsleVegan | yes | 04:04 |
IsleVegan | on eth`1 | 04:05 |
lns | k | 04:05 |
IsleVegan | eth1 | 04:05 |
lns | right | 04:05 |
lns | you have dns set? | 04:05 |
IsleVegan | yes | 04:05 |
lns | I only ask because i've had issues with dhcp before regarding reaching a dns server | 04:05 |
lns | k | 04:05 |
IsleVegan | and i read that i should add 192.168.0.254 as a dns server as well | 04:05 |
lns | you need to look in /var/log for clues as to why the "self test" fails | 04:05 |
IsleVegan | i put that at the end | 04:05 |
lns | i haven't used edubuntu in a while but yeah i think it acts as a dns cache server | 04:06 |
IsleVegan | i'll look at that log | 04:06 |
IsleVegan | No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0). | 04:08 |
IsleVegan | Jan 28 18:02:47 edubuntu dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth0. | 04:08 |
IsleVegan | hmm | 04:08 |
lns | i've had that | 04:09 |
IsleVegan | i'll look at the syntax for dhcp.conf | 04:09 |
IsleVegan | where to add the subnet, but not sure what to put, perhaps the same that is in the subnet for network control panel | 04:09 |
lns | no it's in there | 04:10 |
lns | what is the full path to the dhcpd.conf file you pasted ? | 04:10 |
IsleVegan | /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 04:12 |
lns | does the log give the full path of the dhcpd.conf file it's crapping out on? | 04:12 |
lns | sounds like it's looking at a different one | 04:12 |
IsleVegan | i'll look | 04:13 |
IsleVegan | i don't see it | 04:13 |
IsleVegan | i looked in syslog and daemon.log | 04:14 |
lns | weird | 04:14 |
lns | i don't have a conf file to compare to but everything looks ok to me (i'm sure i'm missing something) | 04:14 |
IsleVegan | it's new to me :-o | 04:15 |
lns | well if it's saying you don't have a subnet declaration | 04:15 |
IsleVegan | yeah, could it be just that it's wrong? | 04:15 |
lns | i would imagine it would have something specific (line foo: expecting ;) or something | 04:16 |
IsleVegan | hmm, not sure what that means | 04:17 |
lns | it really seems to me that it's not looking at that dhcpd.conf file (i've seen multiple in edubuntu setups before) | 04:17 |
lns | is there a symlink in /etc/dhcpd.conf for /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 04:18 |
lns | ? | 04:18 |
IsleVegan | i'll look | 04:18 |
IsleVegan | so, i would look in the /etc folder for dhcpd.conf? | 04:19 |
IsleVegan | i don't see that | 04:19 |
lns | try 'find /etc -name dhcpd.conf' | 04:20 |
IsleVegan | /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 04:20 |
IsleVegan | /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf | 04:20 |
lns | ok try renaming /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to something and symlinking that to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 04:22 |
lns | hmm | 04:23 |
lns | i mean | 04:23 |
lns | symlinking /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 04:24 |
lns | wasn't very clear | 04:24 |
IsleVegan | how do i do that? | 04:24 |
lns | you know how to rename a file? | 04:24 |
lns | mv | 04:24 |
IsleVegan | mv is move, i guess, i can look it up online | 04:24 |
lns | ick =p try this | 04:24 |
lns | cd /etc/dhcp3 | 04:25 |
lns | mv dhcpd.conf dhcpd.conf.orig | 04:25 |
lns | ln -s /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf dhcpd.conf | 04:25 |
lns | /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart | 04:25 |
IsleVegan | sorry about my ignorance | 04:25 |
lns | no worries =) | 04:25 |
lns | you're not doing bad | 04:25 |
IsleVegan | thanks for being patient | 04:27 |
IsleVegan | dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file. | 04:28 |
IsleVegan | The error was: | 04:28 |
lns | glad i had some time to kill ;) i love helping people since so many people have helped me | 04:28 |
IsleVegan | there is no error message listed | 04:28 |
lns | that's weird | 04:29 |
lns | try 'ln -s /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf /etc/dhcpd.conf' | 04:29 |
lns | /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart | 04:30 |
IsleVegan | same thing | 04:30 |
IsleVegan | error | 04:31 |
IsleVegan | no error listed | 04:31 |
IsleVegan | self-test failed | 04:31 |
lns | hmm | 04:32 |
IsleVegan | subnet for eth0 is 255.255.255.0 | 04:32 |
IsleVegan | fyi | 04:32 |
IsleVegan | in the network control panel | 04:32 |
IsleVegan | but at this point i have nothing plugged into eth0 | 04:33 |
lns | that's fine | 04:33 |
lns | wait | 04:34 |
lns | plugged in? | 04:34 |
lns | you mean a cable to a switch/hub? | 04:34 |
IsleVegan | corrrect | 04:34 |
lns | hmm | 04:34 |
IsleVegan | nothing is plugged into the eth0 port from the motherboard | 04:34 |
IsleVegan | i have a router only | 04:34 |
lns | umm | 04:34 |
IsleVegan | not sure if i can use that between eth0 and client | 04:35 |
IsleVegan | or clients | 04:35 |
lns | arey ou just going to have 1 client? | 04:35 |
IsleVegan | at this point, yes | 04:35 |
IsleVegan | it's a demonstration project | 04:35 |
IsleVegan | for my school | 04:35 |
lns | do you have a crossover cable? | 04:35 |
lns | i really have no clue at this point but dhcpd might look for link status on the adapter it's listening on | 04:35 |
IsleVegan | i don't have, which i'm concerned about, but i understand some ethernet ports can automatically do that...not sure if this can | 04:35 |
IsleVegan | i can plug it into the router, if you think that would be good | 04:36 |
lns | it's your network ;) | 04:36 |
IsleVegan | i have a d-link dgl-4100 router here | 04:37 |
IsleVegan | well, it is all experimental, so things can be changed | 04:37 |
lns | as long as eth0 has link to *something* that would satisfy dhcpd i would think (if it actually looks for link) | 04:37 |
IsleVegan | ok | 04:37 |
IsleVegan | you recommend plugging into wan or one of the lan ports on the router, or the client directly? | 04:38 |
lns | lan | 04:38 |
IsleVegan | ok | 04:38 |
IsleVegan | plugged in | 04:39 |
IsleVegan | to lan port | 04:39 |
lns | try restarting dhcpd | 04:39 |
IsleVegan | i did that restart command | 04:40 |
IsleVegan | same error | 04:40 |
lns | well sorry man i'm out of ideas =) | 04:40 |
IsleVegan | ok, no worries | 04:40 |
IsleVegan | :-) | 04:40 |
lns | try recreating your dhcpd.conf | 04:40 |
IsleVegan | how? | 04:40 |
lns | and scouring /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server script to see where it's looking for it | 04:40 |
lns | by hand | 04:41 |
lns | or reinstall if you don't want to | 04:41 |
IsleVegan | ok, there's not that much right? i pasted it for you to see, right? | 04:41 |
lns | right | 04:41 |
IsleVegan | ok | 04:41 |
lns | you have to know the syntax | 04:41 |
IsleVegan | hmm | 04:41 |
IsleVegan | ok, thanks for your time | 04:41 |
IsleVegan | :) | 04:41 |
lns | np...good luck! | 04:42 |
IsleVegan | i'm gonna take a break and stare at things and think | 04:42 |
IsleVegan | aloha | 04:42 |
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sakhi | kbye | 15:05 |
tomatoes | hi, was anyone able to run the "I Have Tomatoes" game without trouble? | 15:54 |
LaserJock | sbalneav! | 17:10 |
LaserJock | ogra1: still up? Did you see my email to -devel? | 17:29 |
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musashi | quick question. I'm having problems with cupsys crashing every day. restarting cupsys fixes the problem but I'd like something more permanent. One suggestion i had was to install hplip. The other was to update cups. I'm not sure how to do either. I have a default install of feisty and am leery of running all the updates as it's a high use lab and i don't want to break anything. Suggestions? | 20:28 |
johnny | if cups doesn't show up in the update manager. then there is no upgrade for fesity | 20:53 |
johnny | feisty | 20:53 |
lns | is anyone using Koolu thin clients w/edubuntu (or ubuntu/ltsp) gutsy? | 21:00 |
musashi | johnny: there are over 100 updates. how do i just update cups and nothing else? prefer cli as i remote admin it. | 21:25 |
johnny | uhmm.. you should know about apt-get then :) | 21:26 |
johnny | cups might require newer stuff .. | 21:26 |
johnny | as well | 21:26 |
johnny | did you actually try looking at the cups logs and such? | 21:27 |
johnny | seeing what makes it die? | 21:27 |
musashi | johnny: yeah, i know apt-get but not how to apt-get an update. no didn't check the logs. just heard that there is an update fixing the problem and wanted to try | 21:28 |
musashi | would sudo apt-get --reinstall install cups (or cupsys) do the trick? | 21:29 |
johnny | that would reinstall.. but not update | 21:29 |
musashi | is there an update switch? | 21:29 |
johnny | musashi, read the apt-get man page | 21:29 |
johnny | it's all in there | 21:29 |
musashi | i did. i didn't see an option other than reinstall that would do what i want - upgrade one package and not a full upgrade. | 21:32 |
musashi | just wanting some feedback if that's the right command or option | 21:32 |
musashi | and which package to actually install -- cupsys, cups, cupsys-client, cupsys-common, there are a lot to choose from | 21:34 |
johnny | did you do a web search for apt-get upgrade a package? | 21:36 |
johnny | i don't have my ubuntu box on atm | 21:36 |
musashi | no, i know how to use apt-get. just wasn't sure about the upgrade bit (which is why i asked here). | 21:48 |
lns | musashi, you should be able to just 'apt-get install <package>' to upgrade single packages | 21:56 |
lns | it's still going to pull all deps for that package thou (which is a good thing(tm)) | 21:56 |
musashi | well i went ahead and did "sudo apt-get --reinstall install cupsys". I didn't pull anything in but gave me the new version. What i don't know is whether or not cupsys was THE package to install or if i need to so this with other cups packages | 21:58 |
lns | when you install/upgrade a package with apt-get it will pull all necessary dependencies automatically | 22:03 |
lns | it's up to you to decide which package you need to upgrade though depending on your issue | 22:03 |
musashi | thanks for the info. i've upgraded a few things and will see how it goes. | 22:18 |
lns | np musashi good luck | 22:27 |
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