[00:00] stgraber: yeah, me neither. I don't know much about it except that it was supposed to be able to be a PDC/Fully participating catalog server in a domain [00:01] well, anyway I appreciate the chat. You wouldn't know how to get to a tty from a thin client would you? [00:01] When I do alt+ctrl+f2 (or f3,f4 etc) the screen locks up on me) [00:02] you may try to boot it in console mode, then starting X by hand [00:04] SCREEN_07=shell (not sure for the 07, could be 06) [00:05] anyway, it's past 1am here and I have to wake up early tomorrow :) [00:05] Ahh, I need to edit ldm.conf its coming back to me. [00:05] stgraber: ok, thanks! [00:05] bye [00:06] Aside from the whole thin-client thing, what is the difference between EDU and Ubuntu? [00:09] well, different artwork and theming of course [00:09] and a good selection of educational applications [00:10] generally Edubuntu is just more geared around education [00:10] including the community [00:11] but of course we share a lot with Ubuntu being a part of the same project [00:14] y_: does that answer your question enough? [00:15] Yes, I think so. [00:15] Is there a built-in system for sharing users or do I need LDAP? [00:15] (sharing users in a lab, that is) [00:16] JaserJock ^ [00:16] err [00:16] LaserJock ^ [00:17] well, for thin clients it's not much of an issue for in lab since they're all on the same server [00:17] but LDAP is used quite a bit [00:18] LaserJock -- I don't want thin clients because the lab isn't really archaic hardware. [00:18] LaserJock -- They've got big enough disks and computing power, plus the strain on the network would make an already bad situation worse. [00:19] But I had problems LDAP (importing the existing groups, specifically) [00:20] I am also wondering if an upgrade to 7.10 is in order before all of this, or if there is some configuration option for labs that doesn't include thin-clients [00:21] no, currently basically nothing is done for non-thinclient machines [00:21] I read this on the website, LaserJock [00:21] they are assumed to be basically just home machines with educational applications, however they are no worse than an Ubuntu machine [00:22] "New pre-configured installation options have been added to the Ubuntu Server CD. Mail Server, File Server, Print Server, and Database Server options join existing LAMP and DNS options for pre-configured installations, easing the deployment of common server configurations." [00:22] (about 7.10) [00:22] wow, totally read LAMP as LDAP. Nevermind [00:22] I'm just reading what I want to read now. heh. [00:22] LaserJock, fair enough. If I upgrade the server do I have to upgrade the clients, too? [00:23] well, everything is on the clients [00:23] server rather [00:23] What do you mean? [00:23] so you upgrade the server, then upgrade the client chroot on the server, but that's it [00:24] hmm [00:24] y_: nothing is installed on the thin client to upgrade [00:24] I meant non thin clients [00:24] oh [00:24] well, what are the clients for? [00:24] Can 7.04's talk to 7.10's I guess is what I'm asking [00:24] sure [00:24] Its just a computer lab for elementary school students, teachers need to login too and share files and stuff [00:24] it might depend a tad on what you're trying to "talk" [00:24] (i've got a net loaded /home directory) [00:25] basically I want to have a net installed home directory (or some other mechansm...) and then I want to share users with the clients to the server [00:27] hmm, I can't say with any certainty [00:28] you could sure ask the edubuntu-users mailing list [00:29] hmm [00:29] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-network-auth-server [00:29] know anything about that? [00:29] LaserJock ^ maybe you can interpret that [00:30] That seems to imply Feisty is necessary (7.10?) [00:31] I don't believe that's been finished yet [00:31] good LDAP support has been a long-time goal but a tricky bugger to make user friendly [00:34] LaserJock --> http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CreatingLDAPClients [00:35] Am I naive to believe pure ol' linux works fine for Edubuntu? [00:37] most likely it should [00:38] we'd like to get it so users and groups are easily editable/importable from a GUI [00:39] I've never done LDAP so I'm not a good person to ask [00:39] but several guys on the edubuntu-users lists have been doing it for a long time [00:41] cool [03:03] LaserJock: hey! [03:04] hi moquist [03:05] LaserJock: I've had my head buried in a "startup" virtual school, and I'm hoping to emerge now to do something useful for hardy. [03:05] pm? [03:05] sure [03:24] why would the dhcp3-server start and restart and other commands always fail on a freshly installed edubuntu 7.10 with all the updates ? [03:25] it's a server install [03:33] IsleVegan, are you sure your dhcp.conf file is sane? [03:35] hmm, i'll look, i haven't edited it at all. it's the default file from the install [03:35] ltsp is new for me [03:36] IsleVegan, if you set it up initially wrong it won't load [03:36] is that in /etc/samba ? [03:36] look in /var/log for clues [03:36] i see a dhcp.conf in /etc/samba [03:37] try /etc/ltsp [03:38] i see it [03:38] is there a paste bin here? [03:39] !pastebin [03:39] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [03:39] thanks [03:40] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53932/ [03:41] that's the file [03:41] ltsp.conf [03:42] this server has 2 ethernet ports [03:45] looks sane [03:46] i know in the past i've had to manually edit /etc/default/dhcp3-server (or something similar) and put in which eth adapter dhcp is listening on [03:46] check that out [03:48] thanks [03:48] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53934/ [03:48] that doesn't look right [03:49] yeah [03:49] put in which eth card is being used for the ltsp network [03:49] then /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart [03:49] great, i'll do that now [03:54] dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file. [03:54] i put in eth0 [03:55] both with quotes and then without quotes [03:55] tried both ways [03:55] it needs quotes [03:55] is eth0 up? [03:56] hmm, looking [03:57] it has a check mark in network control panel [03:59] does it have an ip? [04:00] if so, what is it? [04:00] (it needs to be the same as the dhcp range) [04:02] i was trying to follow the edubuntu guides on that [04:03] 192.168.0.254 [04:03] that's eth0 IP address? [04:03] yes [04:04] is it connected to the network? [04:04] can you ping out? [04:04] well, i'm using eth1 for that [04:04] but the server can get to the net? [04:04] yes [04:05] on eth`1 [04:05] k [04:05] eth1 [04:05] right [04:05] you have dns set? [04:05] yes [04:05] I only ask because i've had issues with dhcp before regarding reaching a dns server [04:05] k [04:05] and i read that i should add 192.168.0.254 as a dns server as well [04:05] you need to look in /var/log for clues as to why the "self test" fails [04:05] i put that at the end [04:06] i haven't used edubuntu in a while but yeah i think it acts as a dns cache server [04:06] i'll look at that log [04:08] No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0). [04:08] Jan 28 18:02:47 edubuntu dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth0. [04:08] hmm [04:09] i've had that [04:09] i'll look at the syntax for dhcp.conf [04:09] where to add the subnet, but not sure what to put, perhaps the same that is in the subnet for network control panel [04:10] no it's in there [04:10] what is the full path to the dhcpd.conf file you pasted ? [04:12] /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [04:12] does the log give the full path of the dhcpd.conf file it's crapping out on? [04:12] sounds like it's looking at a different one [04:13] i'll look [04:13] i don't see it [04:14] i looked in syslog and daemon.log [04:14] weird [04:14] i don't have a conf file to compare to but everything looks ok to me (i'm sure i'm missing something) [04:15] it's new to me :-o [04:15] well if it's saying you don't have a subnet declaration [04:15] yeah, could it be just that it's wrong? [04:16] i would imagine it would have something specific (line foo: expecting ;) or something [04:17] hmm, not sure what that means [04:17] it really seems to me that it's not looking at that dhcpd.conf file (i've seen multiple in edubuntu setups before) [04:18] is there a symlink in /etc/dhcpd.conf for /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [04:18] ? [04:18] i'll look [04:19] so, i would look in the /etc folder for dhcpd.conf? [04:19] i don't see that [04:20] try 'find /etc -name dhcpd.conf' [04:20] /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [04:20] /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf [04:22] ok try renaming /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to something and symlinking that to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [04:23] hmm [04:23] i mean [04:24] symlinking /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [04:24] wasn't very clear [04:24] how do i do that? [04:24] you know how to rename a file? [04:24] mv [04:24] mv is move, i guess, i can look it up online [04:24] ick =p try this [04:25] cd /etc/dhcp3 [04:25] mv dhcpd.conf dhcpd.conf.orig [04:25] ln -s /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf dhcpd.conf [04:25] /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart [04:25] sorry about my ignorance [04:25] no worries =) [04:25] you're not doing bad [04:27] thanks for being patient [04:28] dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file. [04:28] The error was: [04:28] glad i had some time to kill ;) i love helping people since so many people have helped me [04:28] there is no error message listed [04:29] that's weird [04:29] try 'ln -s /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf /etc/dhcpd.conf' [04:30] /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart [04:30] same thing [04:31] error [04:31] no error listed [04:31] self-test failed [04:32] hmm [04:32] subnet for eth0 is 255.255.255.0 [04:32] fyi [04:32] in the network control panel [04:33] but at this point i have nothing plugged into eth0 [04:33] that's fine [04:34] wait [04:34] plugged in? [04:34] you mean a cable to a switch/hub? [04:34] corrrect [04:34] hmm [04:34] nothing is plugged into the eth0 port from the motherboard [04:34] i have a router only [04:34] umm [04:35] not sure if i can use that between eth0 and client [04:35] or clients [04:35] arey ou just going to have 1 client? [04:35] at this point, yes [04:35] it's a demonstration project [04:35] for my school [04:35] do you have a crossover cable? [04:35] i really have no clue at this point but dhcpd might look for link status on the adapter it's listening on [04:35] i don't have, which i'm concerned about, but i understand some ethernet ports can automatically do that...not sure if this can [04:36] i can plug it into the router, if you think that would be good [04:36] it's your network ;) [04:37] i have a d-link dgl-4100 router here [04:37] well, it is all experimental, so things can be changed [04:37] as long as eth0 has link to *something* that would satisfy dhcpd i would think (if it actually looks for link) [04:37] ok [04:38] you recommend plugging into wan or one of the lan ports on the router, or the client directly? [04:38] lan [04:38] ok [04:39] plugged in [04:39] to lan port [04:39] try restarting dhcpd [04:40] i did that restart command [04:40] same error [04:40] well sorry man i'm out of ideas =) [04:40] ok, no worries [04:40] :-) [04:40] try recreating your dhcpd.conf [04:40] how? [04:40] and scouring /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server script to see where it's looking for it [04:41] by hand [04:41] or reinstall if you don't want to [04:41] ok, there's not that much right? i pasted it for you to see, right? [04:41] right [04:41] ok [04:41] you have to know the syntax [04:41] hmm [04:41] ok, thanks for your time [04:41] :) [04:42] np...good luck! [04:42] i'm gonna take a break and stare at things and think [04:42] aloha === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd [15:05] kbye [15:54] hi, was anyone able to run the "I Have Tomatoes" game without trouble? [17:10] sbalneav! [17:29] ogra1: still up? Did you see my email to -devel? === iMacGyve1 is now known as iMacGyver [20:28] quick question. I'm having problems with cupsys crashing every day. restarting cupsys fixes the problem but I'd like something more permanent. One suggestion i had was to install hplip. The other was to update cups. I'm not sure how to do either. I have a default install of feisty and am leery of running all the updates as it's a high use lab and i don't want to break anything. Suggestions? [20:53] if cups doesn't show up in the update manager. then there is no upgrade for fesity [20:53] feisty [21:00] is anyone using Koolu thin clients w/edubuntu (or ubuntu/ltsp) gutsy? [21:25] johnny: there are over 100 updates. how do i just update cups and nothing else? prefer cli as i remote admin it. [21:26] uhmm.. you should know about apt-get then :) [21:26] cups might require newer stuff .. [21:26] as well [21:27] did you actually try looking at the cups logs and such? [21:27] seeing what makes it die? [21:28] johnny: yeah, i know apt-get but not how to apt-get an update. no didn't check the logs. just heard that there is an update fixing the problem and wanted to try [21:29] would sudo apt-get --reinstall install cups (or cupsys) do the trick? [21:29] that would reinstall.. but not update [21:29] is there an update switch? [21:29] musashi, read the apt-get man page [21:29] it's all in there [21:32] i did. i didn't see an option other than reinstall that would do what i want - upgrade one package and not a full upgrade. [21:32] just wanting some feedback if that's the right command or option [21:34] and which package to actually install -- cupsys, cups, cupsys-client, cupsys-common, there are a lot to choose from [21:36] did you do a web search for apt-get upgrade a package? [21:36] i don't have my ubuntu box on atm [21:48] no, i know how to use apt-get. just wasn't sure about the upgrade bit (which is why i asked here). [21:56] musashi, you should be able to just 'apt-get install ' to upgrade single packages [21:56] it's still going to pull all deps for that package thou (which is a good thing(tm)) [21:58] well i went ahead and did "sudo apt-get --reinstall install cupsys". I didn't pull anything in but gave me the new version. What i don't know is whether or not cupsys was THE package to install or if i need to so this with other cups packages [22:03] when you install/upgrade a package with apt-get it will pull all necessary dependencies automatically [22:03] it's up to you to decide which package you need to upgrade though depending on your issue [22:18] thanks for the info. i've upgraded a few things and will see how it goes. [22:27] np musashi good luck