[00:00] <john_s> stgraber: yeah, me neither. I don't know much about it except that it was supposed to be able to be a PDC/Fully participating catalog server in  a domain
[00:01] <john_s> well, anyway I appreciate the chat. You wouldn't know how to get to a tty from a thin client would you?
[00:01] <john_s> When I do alt+ctrl+f2 (or f3,f4 etc) the screen locks up on me)
[00:02] <stgraber> you may try to boot it in console mode, then starting X by hand
[00:04] <stgraber> SCREEN_07=shell (not sure for the 07, could be 06)
[00:05] <stgraber> anyway, it's past 1am here and I have to wake up early tomorrow :)
[00:05] <john_s> Ahh, I need to edit ldm.conf its coming back to me.
[00:05] <john_s> stgraber: ok, thanks!
[00:05] <john_s> bye
[00:06] <y_> Aside from the whole thin-client thing, what is the difference between EDU and Ubuntu?
[00:09] <LaserJock> well, different artwork and theming of course
[00:09] <LaserJock> and a good selection of educational applications
[00:10] <LaserJock> generally Edubuntu is just more geared around education
[00:10] <LaserJock> including the community
[00:11] <LaserJock> but of course we share a lot with Ubuntu being a part of the same project
[00:14] <LaserJock> y_: does that answer your question enough?
[00:15] <y_> Yes, I think so.
[00:15] <y_> Is there a built-in system for sharing users or do I need LDAP?
[00:15] <y_> (sharing users in a lab, that is)
[00:16] <y_> JaserJock ^
[00:16] <y_> err
[00:16] <y_> LaserJock ^
[00:17] <LaserJock> well, for thin clients it's not much of an issue for in lab since they're all on the same server
[00:17] <LaserJock> but LDAP is used quite a bit
[00:18] <y_> LaserJock -- I don't want thin clients because the lab isn't really archaic hardware.
[00:18] <y_> LaserJock -- They've got big enough disks and computing power, plus the strain on the network would make an already bad situation worse.
[00:19] <y_> But I had problems LDAP (importing the existing groups, specifically)
[00:20] <y_> I am also wondering if an upgrade to 7.10 is in order before all of this, or if there is some configuration option for labs that doesn't include thin-clients
[00:21] <LaserJock> no, currently basically nothing is done for non-thinclient machines
[00:21] <y_> I read this on the website, LaserJock
[00:21] <LaserJock> they are assumed to be basically just home machines with educational applications, however they are no worse than an Ubuntu machine
[00:22] <y_> "New pre-configured installation options have been added to the Ubuntu Server CD. Mail Server, File Server, Print Server, and Database Server options join existing LAMP and DNS options for pre-configured installations, easing the deployment of common server configurations."
[00:22] <y_> (about 7.10)
[00:22] <y_> wow, totally read LAMP as LDAP. Nevermind
[00:22] <y_> I'm just reading what I want to read now. heh.
[00:22] <y_> LaserJock, fair enough. If I upgrade the server do I have to upgrade the clients, too?
[00:23] <LaserJock> well, everything is on the clients
[00:23] <LaserJock> server rather
[00:23] <y_> What do you mean?
[00:23] <LaserJock> so you upgrade the server, then upgrade the client chroot on the server, but that's it
[00:24] <y_> hmm
[00:24] <LaserJock> y_: nothing is installed on the thin client to upgrade
[00:24] <y_> I meant non thin clients
[00:24] <LaserJock> oh
[00:24] <LaserJock> well, what are the clients for?
[00:24] <y_> Can 7.04's talk to 7.10's I guess is what I'm asking
[00:24] <LaserJock> sure
[00:24] <y_> Its just a computer lab for elementary school students, teachers need to login too and share files and stuff
[00:24] <LaserJock> it might depend a tad on what you're trying to "talk"
[00:24] <y_> (i've got a net loaded /home directory)
[00:25] <y_> basically I want to have a net installed home directory (or some other mechansm...) and then I want to share users with the clients to the server
[00:27] <LaserJock> hmm, I can't say with any certainty
[00:28] <LaserJock> you could sure ask the edubuntu-users mailing list
[00:29] <y_> hmm
[00:29] <y_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-network-auth-server
[00:29] <y_> know anything about that?
[00:29] <y_> LaserJock ^ maybe you can interpret that
[00:30] <y_> That seems to imply Feisty is necessary (7.10?)
[00:31] <LaserJock> I don't believe that's been finished yet
[00:31] <LaserJock> good LDAP support has been a long-time goal but a tricky bugger to make user friendly
[00:34] <y_> LaserJock --> http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CreatingLDAPClients
[00:35] <y_> Am I naive to believe pure ol' linux works fine for Edubuntu?
[00:37] <LaserJock> most likely it should
[00:38] <LaserJock> we'd like to get it so users and groups are easily editable/importable from a GUI
[00:39] <LaserJock> I've never done LDAP so I'm not a good person to ask
[00:39] <LaserJock> but several guys on the edubuntu-users lists have been doing it for a long time
[00:41] <y_> cool
[03:03] <moquist> LaserJock: hey!
[03:04] <LaserJock> hi moquist
[03:05] <moquist> LaserJock: I've had my head buried in a "startup" virtual school, and I'm hoping to emerge now to do something useful for hardy.
[03:05] <moquist> pm?
[03:05] <LaserJock> sure
[03:24] <IsleVegan> why would the dhcp3-server start and restart and other commands always fail on a freshly installed edubuntu 7.10 with all the updates ?
[03:25] <IsleVegan> it's a server install
[03:33] <lns> IsleVegan, are you sure your dhcp.conf file is sane?
[03:35] <IsleVegan> hmm, i'll look, i haven't edited it at all. it's the default file from the install
[03:35] <IsleVegan> ltsp is new for me
[03:36] <lns> IsleVegan, if you set it up initially wrong it won't load
[03:36] <IsleVegan> is that in /etc/samba ?
[03:36] <lns> look in /var/log for clues
[03:36] <IsleVegan> i see a dhcp.conf in /etc/samba
[03:37] <lns> try /etc/ltsp
[03:38] <IsleVegan> i see it
[03:38] <IsleVegan> is there a paste bin here?
[03:39] <lns> !pastebin
[03:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:39] <IsleVegan> thanks
[03:40] <IsleVegan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53932/
[03:41] <IsleVegan> that's the file
[03:41] <IsleVegan> ltsp.conf
[03:42] <IsleVegan> this server has 2 ethernet ports
[03:45] <lns> looks sane
[03:46] <lns> i know in the past i've had to manually edit /etc/default/dhcp3-server (or something similar) and put in which eth adapter dhcp is listening on
[03:46] <lns> check that out
[03:48] <IsleVegan> thanks
[03:48] <IsleVegan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53934/
[03:48] <IsleVegan> that doesn't look right
[03:49] <lns> yeah
[03:49] <lns> put in which eth card is being used for the ltsp network
[03:49] <lns> then /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[03:49] <IsleVegan> great, i'll do that now
[03:54] <IsleVegan> dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file.
[03:54] <IsleVegan> i put in eth0
[03:55] <IsleVegan> both with quotes and then without quotes
[03:55] <IsleVegan> tried both ways
[03:55] <lns> it needs quotes
[03:55] <lns> is eth0 up?
[03:56] <IsleVegan> hmm, looking
[03:57] <IsleVegan> it has a check mark in network control panel
[03:59] <lns> does it have an ip?
[04:00] <lns> if so, what is it?
[04:00] <lns> (it needs to be the same as the dhcp range)
[04:02] <IsleVegan> i was trying to follow the edubuntu guides on that
[04:03] <IsleVegan> 192.168.0.254
[04:03] <lns> that's eth0 IP address?
[04:03] <IsleVegan> yes
[04:04] <lns> is it connected to the network?
[04:04] <lns> can you ping out?
[04:04] <IsleVegan> well, i'm using eth1 for that
[04:04] <lns> but the server can get to the net?
[04:04] <IsleVegan> yes
[04:05] <IsleVegan> on eth`1
[04:05] <lns> k
[04:05] <IsleVegan> eth1
[04:05] <lns> right
[04:05] <lns> you have dns set?
[04:05] <IsleVegan> yes
[04:05] <lns> I only ask because i've had issues with dhcp before regarding reaching a dns server
[04:05] <lns> k
[04:05] <IsleVegan> and i read that i should add 192.168.0.254 as a dns server as well
[04:05] <lns> you need to look in /var/log for clues as to why the "self test" fails
[04:05] <IsleVegan> i put that at the end
[04:06] <lns> i haven't used edubuntu in a while but yeah i think it acts as a dns cache server
[04:06] <IsleVegan> i'll look at that log
[04:08] <IsleVegan> No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0).
[04:08] <IsleVegan> Jan 28 18:02:47 edubuntu dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth0.
[04:08] <IsleVegan> hmm
[04:09] <lns> i've had that
[04:09] <IsleVegan> i'll look at the syntax for dhcp.conf
[04:09] <IsleVegan> where to add the subnet, but not sure what to put, perhaps the same that is in the subnet for network control panel
[04:10] <lns> no it's in there
[04:10] <lns> what is the full path to the dhcpd.conf file you pasted ?
[04:12] <IsleVegan> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[04:12] <lns> does the log give the full path of the dhcpd.conf file it's crapping out on?
[04:12] <lns> sounds like it's looking at a different one
[04:13] <IsleVegan> i'll look
[04:13] <IsleVegan> i don't see it
[04:14] <IsleVegan> i looked in syslog and daemon.log
[04:14] <lns> weird
[04:14] <lns> i don't have a conf file to compare to but everything looks ok to me (i'm sure i'm missing something)
[04:15] <IsleVegan> it's new to me :-o
[04:15] <lns> well if it's saying you don't have a subnet declaration
[04:15] <IsleVegan> yeah, could it be just that it's wrong?
[04:16] <lns> i would imagine it would have something specific (line foo: expecting ;) or something
[04:17] <IsleVegan> hmm, not sure what that means
[04:17] <lns> it really seems to me that it's not looking at that dhcpd.conf file (i've seen multiple in edubuntu setups before)
[04:18] <lns> is there a symlink in /etc/dhcpd.conf for /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[04:18] <lns> ?
[04:18] <IsleVegan> i'll look
[04:19] <IsleVegan> so, i would look in the /etc folder for dhcpd.conf?
[04:19] <IsleVegan> i don't see that
[04:20] <lns> try 'find /etc -name dhcpd.conf'
[04:20] <IsleVegan> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[04:20] <IsleVegan> /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[04:22] <lns> ok try renaming /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to something and symlinking that to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[04:23] <lns> hmm
[04:23] <lns> i mean
[04:24] <lns> symlinking /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[04:24] <lns> wasn't very clear
[04:24] <IsleVegan> how do i do that?
[04:24] <lns> you know how to rename a file?
[04:24] <lns> mv
[04:24] <IsleVegan> mv is move, i guess, i can look it up online
[04:24] <lns> ick =p try this
[04:25] <lns> cd /etc/dhcp3
[04:25] <lns> mv dhcpd.conf dhcpd.conf.orig
[04:25] <lns> ln -s /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf dhcpd.conf
[04:25] <lns> /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[04:25] <IsleVegan> sorry about my ignorance
[04:25] <lns> no worries =)
[04:25] <lns> you're not doing bad
[04:27] <IsleVegan> thanks for being patient
[04:28] <IsleVegan> dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file.
[04:28] <IsleVegan> The error was:
[04:28] <lns> glad i had some time to kill ;) i love helping people since so many people have helped me
[04:28] <IsleVegan> there is no error message listed
[04:29] <lns> that's weird
[04:29] <lns> try 'ln -s /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf /etc/dhcpd.conf'
[04:30] <lns> /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[04:30] <IsleVegan> same thing
[04:31] <IsleVegan> error
[04:31] <IsleVegan> no error listed
[04:31] <IsleVegan> self-test failed
[04:32] <lns> hmm
[04:32] <IsleVegan> subnet for eth0 is 255.255.255.0
[04:32] <IsleVegan> fyi
[04:32] <IsleVegan> in the network control panel
[04:33] <IsleVegan> but at this point i have nothing plugged into eth0
[04:33] <lns> that's fine
[04:34] <lns> wait
[04:34] <lns> plugged in?
[04:34] <lns> you mean a cable to a switch/hub?
[04:34] <IsleVegan> corrrect
[04:34] <lns> hmm
[04:34] <IsleVegan> nothing is plugged into the eth0 port from the motherboard
[04:34] <IsleVegan> i have a router only
[04:34] <lns> umm
[04:35] <IsleVegan> not sure if i can use that between eth0 and client
[04:35] <IsleVegan> or clients
[04:35] <lns> arey ou just going to have 1 client?
[04:35] <IsleVegan> at this point, yes
[04:35] <IsleVegan> it's a demonstration project
[04:35] <IsleVegan> for my school
[04:35] <lns> do you have a crossover cable?
[04:35] <lns> i really have no clue at this point but dhcpd might look for link status on the adapter it's listening on
[04:35] <IsleVegan> i don't have, which i'm concerned about, but i understand some ethernet ports can automatically do that...not sure if this can
[04:36] <IsleVegan> i can plug it into the router, if you think that would be good
[04:36] <lns> it's your network ;)
[04:37] <IsleVegan> i have a d-link dgl-4100 router here
[04:37] <IsleVegan> well, it is all experimental, so things can be changed
[04:37] <lns> as long as eth0 has link to *something* that would satisfy dhcpd i would think (if it actually looks for link)
[04:37] <IsleVegan> ok
[04:38] <IsleVegan> you recommend plugging into wan or one of the lan ports on the router, or the client directly?
[04:38] <lns> lan
[04:38] <IsleVegan> ok
[04:39] <IsleVegan> plugged in
[04:39] <IsleVegan> to lan port
[04:39] <lns> try restarting dhcpd
[04:40] <IsleVegan> i did that restart command
[04:40] <IsleVegan> same error
[04:40] <lns> well sorry man i'm out of ideas =)
[04:40] <IsleVegan> ok, no worries
[04:40] <IsleVegan> :-)
[04:40] <lns> try recreating your dhcpd.conf
[04:40] <IsleVegan> how?
[04:40] <lns> and scouring /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server script to see where it's looking for it
[04:41] <lns> by hand
[04:41] <lns> or reinstall if you don't want to
[04:41] <IsleVegan> ok, there's not that much right? i pasted it for you to see, right?
[04:41] <lns> right
[04:41] <IsleVegan> ok
[04:41] <lns> you have to know the syntax
[04:41] <IsleVegan> hmm
[04:41] <IsleVegan> ok, thanks for your time
[04:41] <IsleVegan> :)
[04:42] <lns> np...good luck!
[04:42] <IsleVegan> i'm gonna take a break and stare at things and think
[04:42] <IsleVegan> aloha
[15:05] <sakhi> kbye
[15:54] <tomatoes> hi, was anyone able to run the "I Have Tomatoes" game without trouble?
[17:10] <LaserJock> sbalneav!
[17:29] <LaserJock> ogra1: still up? Did you see my email to -devel?
[20:28] <musashi> quick question. I'm having problems with cupsys crashing every day. restarting cupsys fixes the problem but I'd like something more permanent. One suggestion i had was to install hplip. The other was to update cups. I'm not sure how to do either. I have a default install of feisty and am leery of running all the updates as it's a high use lab and i don't want to break anything. Suggestions?
[20:53] <johnny> if cups doesn't show up in the update manager. then there is no upgrade for fesity
[20:53] <johnny> feisty
[21:00] <lns> is anyone using Koolu thin clients w/edubuntu (or ubuntu/ltsp) gutsy?
[21:25] <musashi> johnny: there are over 100 updates. how do i just update cups and nothing else? prefer cli as i remote admin it.
[21:26] <johnny> uhmm.. you should know about apt-get then :)
[21:26] <johnny> cups might require newer stuff ..
[21:26] <johnny> as well
[21:27] <johnny> did you actually try looking at the cups logs and such?
[21:27] <johnny> seeing what makes it die?
[21:28] <musashi> johnny: yeah, i know apt-get but not how to apt-get an update. no didn't check the logs. just heard that there is an update fixing the problem and wanted to try
[21:29] <musashi> would sudo apt-get --reinstall install cups (or cupsys) do the trick?
[21:29] <johnny> that would reinstall.. but not update
[21:29] <musashi> is there an update switch?
[21:29] <johnny> musashi, read the apt-get man page
[21:29] <johnny> it's all in there
[21:32] <musashi> i did. i didn't see an option other than reinstall that would do what i want - upgrade one package and not a full upgrade.
[21:32] <musashi> just wanting some feedback if that's the right command or option
[21:34] <musashi> and which package to actually install -- cupsys, cups, cupsys-client, cupsys-common, there are a lot to choose from
[21:36] <johnny> did you do a web search for apt-get upgrade a package?
[21:36] <johnny> i don't have my ubuntu box on atm
[21:48] <musashi> no, i know how to use apt-get. just wasn't sure about the upgrade bit (which is why i asked here).
[21:56] <lns> musashi, you should be able to just 'apt-get install <package>' to upgrade single packages
[21:56] <lns> it's still going to pull all deps for that package thou (which is a good thing(tm))
[21:58] <musashi> well i went ahead and did "sudo apt-get --reinstall install cupsys". I didn't pull anything in but gave me the new version. What i don't know is whether or not cupsys was THE package to install or if i need to so this with other cups packages
[22:03] <lns> when you install/upgrade a package with apt-get it will pull all necessary dependencies automatically
[22:03] <lns> it's up to you to decide which package you need to upgrade though depending on your issue
[22:18] <musashi> thanks for the info. i've upgraded a few things and will see how it goes.
[22:27] <lns> np musashi good luck