[00:58] <cheguevara> ping stdin
[01:00] <blizzzek> gn8
[03:04] <Jucato> hm... the new wallpaper looks... hm.... :)
[03:57] <ryanakca> Is anyone else having trouble starting amarok 3.5.8 in KDE4?
[04:02] <ryanakca> s/3.5.8/1.4.8/
[04:03] <DasKreech> KDE?
[04:03] <ryanakca> no
[04:03] <ryanakca> 22:55:37 < ryanakca> Is anyone else having trouble starting amarok 3.5.8 in KDE4?
[04:03] <DasKreech> kk
[05:01] <DasKreech> Ho Hibbsee
[05:14] <DasKreech> I mean Hobbsee
[06:10] <stdin> cheguevara: pong (if you're still awake)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> heya DasKreech
[06:27] <DasKreech> Hobbsee: So lucky
[06:27] <DasKreech> Just got me in bed
[06:27] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:28] <DasKreech> Night
[06:28] <DasKreech> Hobbsee: Are you near Aseigo and canllaith ?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> DasKreech: now?  i'm north of them, yeah
[06:29] <Hobbsee> they're in another state
[06:30] <DasKreech> ok so no chance of stopping in for tea? :)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> nope
[06:33] <DasKreech> :) night
[07:05] <blizzzek> moin
[08:20] <doc__> hi there
[09:54] <mornfall> Morning.
[10:13] <Riddell> mornfall: adept looking good but crashed on me when I "Apply Changes" Internal Error, ordering was unable to handle the media swap
[10:14] <mornfall> Hmh.
[10:14] <mornfall> Apt hates me.
[10:15] <mornfall> I haven't seen that bug for a long time though.
[10:15] <mornfall> Are you sure it's alpha2?
[10:15] <mornfall> Ie. does it have file list under details?
[10:22] <Riddell> mornfall: there's a Files tab with headers, it doesn't list anything
[10:24] <Riddell> mornfall: hah, you know what might help?
[10:25] <Riddell> if I ran it as root
[10:25] <Riddell> works perfectly
[10:25] <mhb> hehe :o)
[10:25] <mornfall> Ahh!
[10:25] <mornfall> : - ).
[10:25] <mornfall> Yes, those checks are still missing.
[10:26] <mornfall> Riddell: It only lists things for installed packages. I have fixed the tab title post-alpha I guess.
[10:26] <mhb> yup, it works
[10:26] <mhb> nice
[10:26] <mornfall> I have fixed some major slowness when selecting packages as well post-release, so no need to report that : - ).
[10:27] <mornfall> (Related to filling the list.)
[10:27] <mhb> some minor tweakies remain, though (if you click to Details after you install a package, it's not updated)
[10:27] <mornfall> Could be.
[10:28] <mornfall> Please note such minor issues and mail a summary to me, if you can.
[10:28] <mornfall> These are most easily overlooked and cause unneccessary unfinished look.
[10:28] <mhb> sure
[10:34] <mhb> Riddell: if you write "perli" in the search box, do you see the correct package?
[10:35] <mhb> Riddell: it appears to me that the result flashes for a second, then disappears
[10:35] <mornfall> Would be great if you also tested the debconf stuff.
[10:36] <mornfall> It worked for me, but that probably doesn't guarantee anything.
[10:37] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like your opinion concerning flash support in konqueror
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have all the patches debian has to make it to work, but it doesn't....
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a patch for kdebase and one for kdelibs
[10:39] <Riddell> mornfall: installing gdm it seems to hang http://pastebin.com/m4287af94
[10:39] <mornfall> Ah. Subst, that I haven't encountered yet.
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm unsure if we have to rebuild kdebase against kdelibs in fact.....
[10:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: do they have branch patches too?
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: it currently still fails
[10:39] <mornfall> I'll have to check with the docs and implement that.
[10:39] <Tonio_> branch patches ?
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do you mean by branch patches ?
[10:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: patches that contain the latest svn
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: not to what I've seen
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw we can expect a 3.5.9 for hardy right ?
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: then no need to waste time on this, and just wait for 3.5.9 to get flash fixed, imho
[10:43] <mornfall> Riddell: I don't quite understand the SUBST bit, but I'll look at it later (the documentation and the debug output confuse me at best).
[10:44] <Jucato> Another mass deployment of Kubuntu (and Edubuntu) http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117 (page 2 mentions that fact)
[10:45]  * Jucato wonders why this didn't come to the LoCo's attention... :(
[10:45] <Riddell> mornfall: sun-java6-jre also gets stuck http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/adept-debconf.png
[10:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, although it would be nice to have patches for released versions
[10:46] <mornfall> Ok, CAPB, another one. Interesting that I always hit the easy testcases : - ).
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: agree on that point
[10:46] <mornfall> (I haven't found package that would use either of those two. But CAPB is easy enough.)
[10:46] <mornfall> Noting both.
[10:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I'll review the patches today with comparison to debian and svn commits, and eventually will rebuild kdebase against kdelibs to be sure I'm not missing something
[10:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: then if it doesn't work..... we'll wait for 3.5.9
[10:47] <mornfall> Riddell: Hm, you have icons missing there...
[10:47] <mornfall> Weird.
[10:47] <Riddell> Jucato: excellent!
[10:48] <Riddell> mornfall: what's a good debconf test package?
[10:48] <Jucato> Riddell: yeah. gonna try to round up the Ubuntu-PH team and see where we can help :)
[10:48] <mornfall> Riddell: Dunno, I tried something from cups, resolvconf and a bunch of random ones that asked questions during upgrade.
[10:49] <mornfall> And x11-commond and xserver-xorg.
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: postfix for example
[10:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: flash works :)
[10:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I forgot the gtk-qt-engine patch :)
[10:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: ah hah
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about that I noticed gtk-qt-engine doesn't change gnome apps fonts now.....
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to get that fixed today
[11:01] <luisbg> I'm making a package of a qt app I've written, can I have qmake move some files I need to /usr/share/myapp/ or do I have to do this in the packaging? I would prefer in qmake
[11:02] <Riddell> luisbg: that's a question for someone who knows about qmake, maybe try #qt, I'm sure it must be able to but if it can't it's trivial to do in the packaging
[11:03] <luisbg> hello Jonnathan
[11:03] <Riddell> hola luisbg
[11:04] <luisbg> yeah, in packaging it would be editing the posinst
[11:04] <luisbg> postint*
[11:04] <luisbg> but I prefer trying to make it work with qmake
[11:04] <luisbg> I'll ask in #qt
[11:04] <stdin> can't you just do it via the .install
[11:04] <luisbg> stdin, hm?
[11:05] <stdin> debian/package.install (or debian/install) <- it has the location to put all the files
[11:05] <stdin> you can move files about with that too
[11:06] <Riddell> luisbg: looking at packages which use qmake they mostly seem to install the files manually in debian/rules http://cdbs.ueberalles.net/_qmake.mk.html
[11:08] <luisbg> Riddell, wow, thanks
[11:52] <mornfall> Re. Any success with debconf?
[11:53] <mhb> mornfall: is there a list of packages that use it in some way?
[11:53] <Riddell> mornfall: postfix also got stuck on the same thing as sun-java
[11:53] <Riddell> mornfall: resolveconf did talk debconf but didn't ask me anything just resolved it itself
[11:55] <mornfall> Riddell: You can sudo vi /var/cache/debconf/config.dat and remove the seen flag on resolvconf.
[11:56] <mornfall> Postfix probably does have CAPB backup as  well.
[11:56] <mornfall> Well, I'll fix those this week, together with the other fixes that should be enough for alpha3.
[11:58] <mornfall>  And I should implement database locking and root/nonroot warnings. And recovery. That would be a good set of alpha3 goals.
[11:58] <Riddell> mornfall: resolvconf still seems to install without me needing to answer anything, although the debconf previous/next buttons do appear briefly http://paste.ubuntu.com/3970/
[11:59] <mornfall> Ah.
[11:59] <mornfall> I know.
[11:59] <mornfall> sudo sh -c 'DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low adept_manager'
[12:00] <mornfall> (Well, I don't have a dedicated testing install, so I can't really play too much with those.)
[12:00] <mornfall> Also
[12:00] <mornfall> Hm, nevermind, adept_debconf is not packaged (that's a graphical dpkg-reconfigure thingy).
[12:01] <Riddell> wow, genius, it works
[12:01] <mornfall> \o/ : - ).
[12:02] <mornfall> Hm, add the missing widgets to alpha3 goals (multiselect and maybe some others).
[12:40] <Riddell> apachelogger__: I've got the kde menu patches working for me, I think I'll just upload
[12:40] <Riddell> trouble is it needs every kde 4 package edited to install its .desktop files into the new location
[12:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: any plans to upload kdelibs (3)?
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, I already uploaded yesterday
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: any fix I should look at ?
[12:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: you said you were adding the gtk-engine patch to the flash issues
[12:46] <Riddell> but maybe that's kdebase
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: that gtk-qt-engine package :)
[12:46] <Riddell> ah, right
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebase and kdelibs patches are already in the repos :)
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I already uploaded gtk-qt btw
[12:46] <Riddell> guess I should look at SRU for them
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I'll investigate at the fonts settings issue
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: that would be nice indeed, as a lot of people are installing flash manually....
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: debian as several patches, but I merged them
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is one patch for kdelibs, one for kdebase and one for gtk-qt
[12:49] <Riddell> that's a lot of compiling, good thing i have a dual core machine now
[14:07] <effie_jayx> hello all
[14:07] <jjesse> hello effie_jayx
[14:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we have a package for policykit-kde ?
[14:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: see http://svn.uludag.org.tr/uludag/trunk/PolicyKit-kde/
[14:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be nice to give an attempt, so that for once we wouldn't be a cycle late compared to ubuntu, no ?
[14:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is for kde3 atm
[14:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't think we do, but what does it do?
[14:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: equivalent to policykit-gnome, it's a gui
[14:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, but what would use them?
[14:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum good point
[14:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: little question on that point, is everything related to policykit liked to the desktop or can you also manage permissions on the system on the command line side ?
[14:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: do package it indeed, but it still needs policykit use to be added somewhere (e.g. kde 4 kcontrol)
[14:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's intended for the desktop, in theory I expect it would be used for command line
[14:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum oki, so that's not of any use atm for kde3.....
[14:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I expected it to be used at a more low level side...
[14:31] <Tonio_> s/more low/lower :)
[14:32] <Riddell> would be interesting to know where pardus are using it
[14:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, indeed
[14:46] <iRon> Riddell: http://cekirdek.pardus.org.tr/~bahadir/zangetsu/blog/2008/01/04/10/ (about PolicyKit in Pardus)
[14:48] <Riddell> they have their own user manager
[14:49] <Riddell> would be nice if they worked with the rest of KDE
[14:49] <iRon> yep
[14:49] <iRon> PolicyKit is not a magic.. PK is just an authentication mechanism which could be integrated with any part of desktop..
[14:51] <iRon> i've started research on it.. i'll create a wiki page with all my thoughts and progress..
[14:51] <iRon> Riddell: or may be better create Blueprint in LP?
[14:52] <Riddell> iRon: since it's a KDE issue and not really Kubuntu specific I'd keep it to wiki.kde.org
[14:52] <Riddell> although that's a horrible wiki
[14:52] <iRon> :)
[14:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just received the gtk-qt-engine update from the repos, I can confirm konqueror finally displays flash :)
[14:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: and talking about pardus, I'll investigate concerning their policykit usage within kde
[14:56] <Tonio_> iRon: ah you already did ;)
[14:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, oki that's just for their home made tools
[14:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: not of any use since everyone is going kde4 this year
[15:50] <buz> are the dates in kdepim enterprise releases the date of the svn snapshot they've been built from?
[15:54] <Riddell> buz: yes
[15:54] <buz> i just reported a bug against 20080127
[15:54] <buz> now i'm trying to figure out if it comes from upstream
[15:54] <Riddell> lure might know, when he's around
[15:55] <buz> its https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/187086
[15:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187086 in kdepim "kmail 4:3.5.7enterprise20080127-0ubuntu1 breaks filtering: only first mail is filtered" [Undecided,New]
[17:34] <jpatrick> evening toma
[17:35] <toma> evening
[17:43] <Dekans> hello all
[17:44] <jpatrick> hello Dekans
[17:44] <Dekans> Riddell: can i ask you some tips in query ?
[17:47] <Dekans> does someone knows if kopete will support jingle libraries in kubuntu 8.04 ?
[17:47] <Dekans> know*
[17:48] <jpatrick> Dekans: no idea, best ask in #kopete I guess
[17:48] <Dekans> i'm not sure because kopete can already be compiled with voice support for xmpp
[17:50] <jpatrick> Dekans: well, we don't develop it so, we won't know :)
[17:50] <jpatrick> Jucato: yo
[17:50] <Jucato> yo
[17:51] <Dekans> jpatrick: I mean that tje kubuntu package is compiled without jingle support, because it was not stable enough for gutsy
[17:51] <jpatrick> ah
[17:51] <Dekans> maybe it's good now.... or not ^^
[18:05] <Riddell> Dekans: havn't looked at it in ages, I seem to remember Hobbsee did too a while ago
[18:06] <Dekans> Riddell: I wanted to ask you wich options are required for kernel compilation for a Live CD
[18:07] <Riddell> Dekans: I've no idea
[18:07] <Dekans> don't you create the kubuntu desktop CD's ?
[18:07] <Riddell> I don't package linux
[18:08] <Dekans> I thought you managed Kubuntu CD's
[18:09] <Riddell> most of what's on a kubuntu CD is managed by other ubuntu teams
[18:11] <Dekans> ok
[18:11] <Dekans> can I find help for it on ubuntu-devel ?
[18:19] <jpatrick> Dekans: maybe for the kernl: #ubuntu-kernel
[18:23] <Dekans> jpatrick: thanks
[18:23] <Dekans> tanks Riddell too
[18:35] <blizzzek> hi
[18:47] <nixternal> The 10 000 Ubuntu machines will run a mixture of Edubuntu and Kubuntu, and will form part of the next phase of the roll-out.
[18:47] <nixternal> interesting
[18:52] <DasKreech> who?
[18:53] <jjesse> what's that from?
[18:55] <stdin> I think http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117
[18:55] <yuriy> mornfall: ping
[18:58] <nixternal> I read it on the planet, but there is a link to what stdin posted I believe
[18:58] <nixternal> anywho, back to bed for me...time to fill up with more oj, tea, and water
[18:58] <jjesse> did you see that Jamie from Mythbusters recommends Ubuntu over Vista?
[19:00] <stdin> I'd recommend cheese over Vista...
[19:01] <jjesse> mmm cheese
[19:02] <nixternal> jjesse: where did you see that?
[19:02] <nixternal> Jamie rocks!
[19:02] <nixternal> I have been laying in bed watching mythbusters
[19:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should create a kde4-cdbs package
[19:13] <Riddell> the files could just go in our cdbs, renamed
[19:14] <apachelogger> hehe, maybe someone should do this then ;-)
[19:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: if I change a debian patch, should I rename it to kubuntu_?
[19:19] <jpatrick> Riddell: any date for the next meeting?
[19:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, it's gets confusing if our patches don't have kubuntu_
[19:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: I seem to remember people wanted one on thursday
[19:20] <apachelogger> ok
[19:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, why do we need to set the complete path in the kde4 desktop files?
[19:21] <jpatrick> Riddell: so, thrusday it is?
[19:21] <apachelogger> shouldn't that be attached automagically by the KDE 3 patches
[19:21] <apachelogger> and kde 4 is having the correct $PATH anyway
[19:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: so that gnome can find the apps
[19:23] <apachelogger> ah, true :)
[19:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you finish the transition yet?
[19:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: which?
[19:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: dunno, I might be out on thusday evening
[19:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: path change for kde4 desktop files
[19:24] <jpatrick> ah well then :)
[19:32] <mornfall> yuriy: pong
[19:41] <DasKreech> Do we have two PPAs for KDE4 ?
[19:42] <jpatrick> DasKreech: ~kubuntu-members-kde4 should ibe it
[19:43] <DasKreech> are we still doing weekly builds?
[19:45] <apachelogger> DasKreech: more like: when someone has time
[19:45] <jpatrick> !life | DasKreech
[19:45] <ubotu> DasKreech: life is something very few people know about in this channel - and anyway, it's probably offtopic, perhaps you want to try #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:45] <jpatrick> ;)
[19:48]  * DasKreech cracks up
[19:48] <DasKreech> !botsnack
[19:48] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[20:48] <buz> Lure: i reported the kmail issue before
[20:48] <buz> i'm wondering if its an upstreeam issue really
[20:50] <Lure> buz: we do not patch anything in filtering
[20:50] <buz> so i thought
[20:50] <buz> are kdepim-enterprise bugs to reported in kde bugzilla?
[20:50] <Lure> buz: upstream is looking into it - they have merged lots (100s) of commits from 3.5 branch and it may broke something
[20:50] <buz> ok
[20:50] <Lure> buz: some, some are in kdab bug tracker
[20:50] <buz> i'm using 20080118 for the time being
[20:51] <Lure> buz: till in #kontact said that he will look into this tommorow
[20:51] <Lure> we all want to get as much bugs aout before 3.5.9 release of merged kdepim
[20:51] <buz> well obviously ;)
[20:52] <uga> guys, I just noticed that strigi search replaces completely kfind now
[20:52] <buz> i'm at work tomorrow, but should be able to check in irc occasionally
[20:52] <uga> but... have you noticed it's not translated at all?
[20:52] <buz> so if any questions arise, just pm me
[20:52] <uga> is it possible to disable that?
[20:52] <uga> it's really useless
[20:54] <uga> did I get some wrong package, or is this normal now in kubuntu? I'm trying to upgrade a pc that had a nicely working feisty,... for a person that is clueless about computers and ... errm... doesn't know english
[20:55] <uga> and now I get this "surprise"
[20:55] <buz> what version
[20:55] <uga> gutsy, just updated
[20:55] <buz> cant remember seeing strigi doing much there
[20:56] <buz> truth to be told, strigi generally doesnt seem to be doing much aside crawling the FS once
[20:56] <uga> I didn't notice it in my desktop either (I'm on self-built kde4 here), but when I got this box updated.... I'm confused
[20:56] <uga> an option in kmenu for strigi desktop search
[20:56] <buz> well strigi is installed in gutsy i know that
[20:57] <buz> could you simply change the option to kfind?
[20:57] <uga> I'd want kfind back for now. This thing is not i18n()ed yet
[20:57] <uga> buz: that's my intention :/
[20:57] <buz> should be possible to edit the path and change it to kfind no?
[20:58] <uga> yes, through kmenuedit, gui even
[20:59] <uga> I think I'll keep both
[20:59] <uga> I may avoid trouble finding it back when upgrading again
[20:59] <uga> okay, done
[21:00] <uga> anyway, I think kfind should find its place back for now, there, by default
[21:00] <buz> to be honest i barely ever use the kmenu so i'm not the one to judge :P
[21:00] <buz> alt-f2 is just so much more useful :P
[21:02] <smarter> Are we going to package qdevelop?
[21:02] <uga> yeah, well, this is a laptop from a person taht doesn't know command line
[21:02] <uga> and shortcuts
[21:02] <uga> buz: after all kubuntu is all about non-knowledgeable users being able to use linux
[21:03] <buz> yeah i know. my gf's father has a kubuntu machine :P
[21:04] <smarter> Or more exactly: if I package QDevelop, will it be accepted in Hardy? :}
[21:07] <Riddell> don't we have packages of it?
[21:07] <jpatrick> they didn't get past REVU I think
[21:08] <DasKreech> !info qdevelop hardy
[21:08] <ubotu> Package qdevelop does not exist in hardy
[21:08] <Riddell> there's an entry in launchpad, so it's been uploaded but presumably rejected https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qdevelop
[21:09] <Riddell> I don't see any message in ubuntu-archive
[21:09] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2007-October/011725.html
[21:10] <smarter> So, can I try to fix the package? It's still on revu: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qdevelop
[21:11] <Riddell> smarter: go ahead
[21:11] <smarter> cool :)
[21:11] <jpatrick> yay for... left behind binaries?
[21:11] <smarter> 'night everyone
[21:11] <smarter> BTW, I've packaged the Qt4 Bespin style for people who don't like Oxygen ;) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin
[21:11] <jpatrick> bonne nuit smarter
[21:12] <smarter> thanks jpatrick ;)
[21:13] <buz> i'd love to see domino for kde4
[21:14] <buz> but the way i used domino was quite close to oxygen anyway
[21:14] <buz> btw, how comes sometime i get kde4 colors in kde3 apps and sometimes not? (inside kde4 session)
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> buz: like which apps are you getting color in?
[21:15] <buz> sometimes kmail is kde4 style, but usually not
[21:15] <buz> konversation stays kde3
[21:15] <buz> and i think i saw akregator once in oxygen colors
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> odd. my kde3 apps never aquire the kde3 colors
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> *kde4
[21:16] <buz> yeah lately i havent seen it either
[21:16] <Riddell> ah, nosrednaekim, we still want to get the desktop effects applet packaged up
[21:16] <buz> oh there's a apply colors to non kde4 applications checkbox in appearance->colors
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I'm sorry, I don't know any packaging :)
[21:17] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: remind me again where it is?
[21:17] <jpatrick> ~kubuntu-users
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> ~/kubuntu-users/desktop-effects-kde
[21:18] <jpatrick> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> thanks jpatrick
[21:53] <Lure> what to do if application does not have icon (new package): what to put in .desktop file?
[21:53] <apachelogger> Lure: choose one from stock kde which fits best
[21:54] <apachelogger> if you can't find anything use a gear :)
[21:54] <Lure> apachelogger: and notify upstream to add .desktop + icon for next release?
[21:54] <apachelogger> yup
[21:55]  * apachelogger mosty notifies upstream about everything
[21:55] <Lure> apachelogger: stock kde being "hicolor"?
[21:55] <apachelogger> I think I would find my self highly annoying :D
[21:55] <apachelogger> Lure: crystalsvg
[21:55] <apachelogger> only app icons go hicolor
[21:56] <Lure> apachelogger: right
[21:56] <apachelogger> Lure: what app are we talking about anyway?
[21:56] <Lure> apachelogger: qlandekarte
[21:56] <Lure> qlandkarte even ;-)
[21:56] <apachelogger> the app isn' t that nu, is it?
[21:57]  * apachelogger is wondering why none made an icon yet
[21:57] <Lure> it is pretty new and they have some xpm stuff in code for icon
[21:57] <Lure> ugly
[21:57] <Lure> no wort using that
[21:58] <uga> Riddell: if I translate the strigi page is there any chance it can be used?
[21:58] <uga> I'm not sure if there's any localisation there ....
[22:01] <apachelogger> Lure: hehe... well... you can throw an xpm in /usr/share/pixmaps
[22:01] <apachelogger> and use that for now
[22:02] <Riddell> uga: I expect so, it should be just i18n'ed strings
[22:02] <Lure> apachelogger: not sure I want that.. ;-)
[22:03] <apachelogger> hehe, ok :)
[22:03]  * apachelogger heads off to bed though
[22:03] <apachelogger> nini
[22:03] <Lure> apachelogger: good night
[22:04] <jpatrick> gute nacht apachelogger
[22:04] <jpatrick> oh, wait, I forgot, no german after 10
[22:06] <mhb> why not?
[22:06] <mhb> or, more precisely, warum nicht?
[22:06] <Riddell> why yes, it is a warm night
[22:08] <jpatrick> mhb: keine Ahnung, something he told me not to do (with him at least) ;)
[22:48] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: looks like they didn't get your no OT messae (?)
[22:52] <mhb> Riddell: entschuldigung
[22:54] <mhb> wow, I crimped my first RJ-45 using ordinary pliers
[22:54] <Riddell> is that like an entwickler?
[22:54] <Riddell> congratulations, those thing are always fiddly
[22:58] <Lure> is it normal to install binaries with caps in /usr/bin (e.g. /usr/bin/QLandkarte)?
[22:58] <Lure> or should we rename them?
[22:59] <mhb> Riddell: its more like "please put all guilt away from me"
[22:59] <Lure> oh, so we should put debhelper >= 6 now?
[23:00] <mhb> Lure: it is definitely not normal.
[23:00] <mhb> Lure: I'd say it is "ugly"
[23:00] <Lure> mhb: I have no command with caps and I get lintian warnings (as manpage is small letters only)
[23:00] <jpatrick> X11
[23:01] <Lure> jpatrick: ;-)
[23:01] <Lure> good catch, will fix that also ;-)
[23:01] <Riddell> Lure: there's no policy against it, but it's not pretty indeed
[23:01] <mhb> jpatrick: VirtualBox does it too (I hate him for that, by the way)
[23:01] <jpatrick> Lure: yeah, we probabaly should debhelper 6 now (keep -motu happy)
[23:02] <Riddell> should probably readup on what the difference is in 6 first :)
[23:02] <Lure> Riddell: if it works, I do not care ;-)
[23:09] <Riddell> obviously don't use debhelper 6 for anything you think might be backported
[23:10] <Lure> Riddell: it is new package, are such backported?
[23:10] <Riddell> if someone wants it in gutsy
[23:11] <Riddell> if it's not very popular then probably not
[23:11] <Lure> ok, will stay with 5 then
[23:13] <Lure> Riddell: it is the best gps utility for Garmin GPS, so I suspect it might be wanted
[23:14] <mornfall> yuriy: Ping? You wanted something/
[23:26] <yuriy> mornfall: about the weird searching i mentioned
[23:26] <yuriy> an example: search for ksm
[23:26] <yuriy> should come up with ksmserver, among other things
[23:26] <yuriy> it flickers something, then blank
[23:28] <Lure> jpatrick: how quickly does revu pick up uploads?
[23:29] <stdin> it does it every 10 mins from my experience
[23:30] <Lure> stdin: thanks
[23:30]  * Lure want to get to bed, but not before I see it on revu
[23:31] <Lure> ok, here it is
[23:32] <Lure> any motu have time to revu the qlandkarte package for me: bug 103324 has all details
[23:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103324 in ubuntu "[need-packaging] QLandkarte" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103324
[23:32]  * Lure -> bed, good night all
[23:34] <mornfall> yuriy: Well, that's basically not weird, since "ksm" is not a word per se.
[23:42] <mornfall> yuriy: You could do partial matches on everything, but that'll lead to weirdness as well.