[00:58] ping stdin [01:00] gn8 [03:04] hm... the new wallpaper looks... hm.... :) [03:57] Is anyone else having trouble starting amarok 3.5.8 in KDE4? [04:02] s/3.5.8/1.4.8/ [04:03] KDE? [04:03] no [04:03] 22:55:37 < ryanakca> Is anyone else having trouble starting amarok 3.5.8 in KDE4? [04:03] kk [05:01] Ho Hibbsee [05:14] I mean Hobbsee [06:10] cheguevara: pong (if you're still awake) [06:25] heya DasKreech [06:27] Hobbsee: So lucky [06:27] Just got me in bed [06:27] heh [06:28] Night [06:28] Hobbsee: Are you near Aseigo and canllaith ? [06:29] DasKreech: now? i'm north of them, yeah [06:29] they're in another state [06:30] ok so no chance of stopping in for tea? :) [06:32] nope [06:33] :) night [07:05] moin === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away [08:20] hi there [09:54] Morning. [10:13] mornfall: adept looking good but crashed on me when I "Apply Changes" Internal Error, ordering was unable to handle the media swap [10:14] Hmh. [10:14] Apt hates me. [10:15] I haven't seen that bug for a long time though. [10:15] Are you sure it's alpha2? [10:15] Ie. does it have file list under details? [10:22] mornfall: there's a Files tab with headers, it doesn't list anything [10:24] mornfall: hah, you know what might help? [10:25] if I ran it as root [10:25] works perfectly [10:25] hehe :o) [10:25] Ahh! [10:25] : - ). [10:25] Yes, those checks are still missing. [10:26] Riddell: It only lists things for installed packages. I have fixed the tab title post-alpha I guess. [10:26] yup, it works [10:26] nice [10:26] I have fixed some major slowness when selecting packages as well post-release, so no need to report that : - ). [10:27] (Related to filling the list.) [10:27] some minor tweakies remain, though (if you click to Details after you install a package, it's not updated) [10:27] Could be. [10:28] Please note such minor issues and mail a summary to me, if you can. [10:28] These are most easily overlooked and cause unneccessary unfinished look. [10:28] sure [10:34] Riddell: if you write "perli" in the search box, do you see the correct package? [10:35] Riddell: it appears to me that the result flashes for a second, then disappears [10:35] Would be great if you also tested the debconf stuff. [10:36] It worked for me, but that probably doesn't guarantee anything. [10:37] hi there [10:38] Riddell: I'd like your opinion concerning flash support in konqueror [10:38] Riddell: we have all the patches debian has to make it to work, but it doesn't.... [10:38] Riddell: there is a patch for kdebase and one for kdelibs [10:39] mornfall: installing gdm it seems to hang http://pastebin.com/m4287af94 [10:39] Ah. Subst, that I haven't encountered yet. [10:39] Riddell: I'm unsure if we have to rebuild kdebase against kdelibs in fact..... [10:39] Tonio_: do they have branch patches too? [10:39] Riddell: it currently still fails [10:39] I'll have to check with the docs and implement that. [10:39] branch patches ? [10:40] Riddell: what do you mean by branch patches ? [10:41] Tonio_: patches that contain the latest svn [10:42] Riddell: not to what I've seen [10:42] Riddell: btw we can expect a 3.5.9 for hardy right ? [10:42] Riddell: then no need to waste time on this, and just wait for 3.5.9 to get flash fixed, imho [10:43] Riddell: I don't quite understand the SUBST bit, but I'll look at it later (the documentation and the debug output confuse me at best). [10:44] Another mass deployment of Kubuntu (and Edubuntu) http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117 (page 2 mentions that fact) [10:45] * Jucato wonders why this didn't come to the LoCo's attention... :( [10:45] mornfall: sun-java6-jre also gets stuck http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/adept-debconf.png [10:46] Tonio_: yes, although it would be nice to have patches for released versions [10:46] Ok, CAPB, another one. Interesting that I always hit the easy testcases : - ). [10:46] Riddell: agree on that point [10:46] (I haven't found package that would use either of those two. But CAPB is easy enough.) [10:46] Noting both. [10:47] Riddell: well I'll review the patches today with comparison to debian and svn commits, and eventually will rebuild kdebase against kdelibs to be sure I'm not missing something [10:47] Riddell: then if it doesn't work..... we'll wait for 3.5.9 [10:47] Riddell: Hm, you have icons missing there... [10:47] Weird. [10:47] Jucato: excellent! [10:48] mornfall: what's a good debconf test package? [10:48] Riddell: yeah. gonna try to round up the Ubuntu-PH team and see where we can help :) [10:48] Riddell: Dunno, I tried something from cups, resolvconf and a bunch of random ones that asked questions during upgrade. [10:49] And x11-commond and xserver-xorg. [10:49] Riddell: postfix for example [10:50] Riddell: flash works :) [10:50] Riddell: I forgot the gtk-qt-engine patch :) [10:50] Tonio_: ah hah [10:51] Riddell: talking about that I noticed gtk-qt-engine doesn't change gnome apps fonts now..... [10:51] Riddell: I'll try to get that fixed today [11:01] I'm making a package of a qt app I've written, can I have qmake move some files I need to /usr/share/myapp/ or do I have to do this in the packaging? I would prefer in qmake [11:02] luisbg: that's a question for someone who knows about qmake, maybe try #qt, I'm sure it must be able to but if it can't it's trivial to do in the packaging [11:03] hello Jonnathan [11:03] hola luisbg [11:04] yeah, in packaging it would be editing the posinst [11:04] postint* [11:04] but I prefer trying to make it work with qmake [11:04] I'll ask in #qt [11:04] can't you just do it via the .install [11:04] stdin, hm? [11:05] debian/package.install (or debian/install) <- it has the location to put all the files [11:05] you can move files about with that too [11:06] luisbg: looking at packages which use qmake they mostly seem to install the files manually in debian/rules http://cdbs.ueberalles.net/_qmake.mk.html [11:08] Riddell, wow, thanks === Nightrose2 is now known as Nightrose [11:52] Re. Any success with debconf? [11:53] mornfall: is there a list of packages that use it in some way? [11:53] mornfall: postfix also got stuck on the same thing as sun-java [11:53] mornfall: resolveconf did talk debconf but didn't ask me anything just resolved it itself [11:55] Riddell: You can sudo vi /var/cache/debconf/config.dat and remove the seen flag on resolvconf. [11:56] Postfix probably does have CAPB backup as well. [11:56] Well, I'll fix those this week, together with the other fixes that should be enough for alpha3. [11:58] And I should implement database locking and root/nonroot warnings. And recovery. That would be a good set of alpha3 goals. [11:58] mornfall: resolvconf still seems to install without me needing to answer anything, although the debconf previous/next buttons do appear briefly http://paste.ubuntu.com/3970/ [11:59] Ah. [11:59] I know. [11:59] sudo sh -c 'DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low adept_manager' [12:00] (Well, I don't have a dedicated testing install, so I can't really play too much with those.) [12:00] Also [12:00] Hm, nevermind, adept_debconf is not packaged (that's a graphical dpkg-reconfigure thingy). [12:01] wow, genius, it works [12:01] \o/ : - ). [12:02] Hm, add the missing widgets to alpha3 goals (multiselect and maybe some others). [12:40] apachelogger__: I've got the kde menu patches working for me, I think I'll just upload [12:40] trouble is it needs every kde 4 package edited to install its .desktop files into the new location [12:41] Tonio_: any plans to upload kdelibs (3)? [12:45] Riddell: nope, I already uploaded yesterday [12:45] Riddell: any fix I should look at ? [12:46] Tonio_: you said you were adding the gtk-engine patch to the flash issues [12:46] but maybe that's kdebase [12:46] Riddell: that gtk-qt-engine package :) [12:46] ah, right [12:46] Riddell: kdebase and kdelibs patches are already in the repos :) [12:46] Riddell: I already uploaded gtk-qt btw [12:46] guess I should look at SRU for them [12:46] Riddell: and I'll investigate at the fonts settings issue [12:47] Riddell: that would be nice indeed, as a lot of people are installing flash manually.... [12:47] Riddell: debian as several patches, but I merged them [12:47] Riddell: there is one patch for kdelibs, one for kdebase and one for gtk-qt [12:49] that's a lot of compiling, good thing i have a dual core machine now === \sh_away is now known as \sh [14:07] hello all [14:07] hello effie_jayx [14:12] Riddell: do we have a package for policykit-kde ? [14:18] Riddell: see http://svn.uludag.org.tr/uludag/trunk/PolicyKit-kde/ [14:18] Riddell: would be nice to give an attempt, so that for once we wouldn't be a cycle late compared to ubuntu, no ? [14:18] Riddell: this is for kde3 atm [14:22] Tonio_: don't think we do, but what does it do? [14:23] Riddell: equivalent to policykit-gnome, it's a gui [14:24] Tonio_: ok, but what would use them? [14:29] Riddell: hum good point [14:30] Riddell: little question on that point, is everything related to policykit liked to the desktop or can you also manage permissions on the system on the command line side ? [14:30] Tonio_: do package it indeed, but it still needs policykit use to be added somewhere (e.g. kde 4 kcontrol) [14:30] Tonio_: it's intended for the desktop, in theory I expect it would be used for command line [14:31] Riddell: hum oki, so that's not of any use atm for kde3..... === _czessi is now known as Czessi [14:31] Riddell: I expected it to be used at a more low level side... [14:31] s/more low/lower :) [14:32] would be interesting to know where pardus are using it [14:34] Riddell: hum, indeed [14:46] Riddell: http://cekirdek.pardus.org.tr/~bahadir/zangetsu/blog/2008/01/04/10/ (about PolicyKit in Pardus) [14:48] they have their own user manager [14:49] would be nice if they worked with the rest of KDE [14:49] yep [14:49] PolicyKit is not a magic.. PK is just an authentication mechanism which could be integrated with any part of desktop.. [14:51] i've started research on it.. i'll create a wiki page with all my thoughts and progress.. [14:51] Riddell: or may be better create Blueprint in LP? [14:52] iRon: since it's a KDE issue and not really Kubuntu specific I'd keep it to wiki.kde.org [14:52] although that's a horrible wiki [14:52] :) [14:56] Riddell: I just received the gtk-qt-engine update from the repos, I can confirm konqueror finally displays flash :) [14:56] Riddell: and talking about pardus, I'll investigate concerning their policykit usage within kde [14:56] iRon: ah you already did ;) [14:57] Riddell: hum, oki that's just for their home made tools [14:58] Riddell: not of any use since everyone is going kde4 this year [15:50] are the dates in kdepim enterprise releases the date of the svn snapshot they've been built from? [15:54] buz: yes [15:54] i just reported a bug against 20080127 [15:54] now i'm trying to figure out if it comes from upstream [15:54] lure might know, when he's around [15:55] its https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/187086 [15:56] Launchpad bug 187086 in kdepim "kmail 4:3.5.7enterprise20080127-0ubuntu1 breaks filtering: only first mail is filtered" [Undecided,New] [17:34] evening toma [17:35] evening [17:43] hello all [17:44] hello Dekans [17:44] Riddell: can i ask you some tips in query ? [17:47] does someone knows if kopete will support jingle libraries in kubuntu 8.04 ? [17:47] know* [17:48] Dekans: no idea, best ask in #kopete I guess [17:48] i'm not sure because kopete can already be compiled with voice support for xmpp === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [17:50] Dekans: well, we don't develop it so, we won't know :) [17:50] Jucato: yo [17:50] yo [17:51] jpatrick: I mean that tje kubuntu package is compiled without jingle support, because it was not stable enough for gutsy [17:51] ah [17:51] maybe it's good now.... or not ^^ [18:05] Dekans: havn't looked at it in ages, I seem to remember Hobbsee did too a while ago [18:06] Riddell: I wanted to ask you wich options are required for kernel compilation for a Live CD [18:07] Dekans: I've no idea [18:07] don't you create the kubuntu desktop CD's ? [18:07] I don't package linux [18:08] I thought you managed Kubuntu CD's [18:09] most of what's on a kubuntu CD is managed by other ubuntu teams === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [18:11] ok [18:11] can I find help for it on ubuntu-devel ? [18:19] Dekans: maybe for the kernl: #ubuntu-kernel [18:23] jpatrick: thanks [18:23] tanks Riddell too [18:35] hi [18:47] The 10 000 Ubuntu machines will run a mixture of Edubuntu and Kubuntu, and will form part of the next phase of the roll-out. [18:47] interesting [18:52] who? [18:53] what's that from? [18:55] I think http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117 [18:55] mornfall: ping === mzungu_afk is now known as mzungu [18:58] I read it on the planet, but there is a link to what stdin posted I believe [18:58] anywho, back to bed for me...time to fill up with more oj, tea, and water [18:58] did you see that Jamie from Mythbusters recommends Ubuntu over Vista? [19:00] I'd recommend cheese over Vista... [19:01] mmm cheese [19:02] jjesse: where did you see that? [19:02] Jamie rocks! [19:02] I have been laying in bed watching mythbusters [19:11] Riddell: we should create a kde4-cdbs package [19:13] the files could just go in our cdbs, renamed [19:14] hehe, maybe someone should do this then ;-) [19:16] Riddell: if I change a debian patch, should I rename it to kubuntu_? [19:19] Riddell: any date for the next meeting? [19:20] apachelogger: yes, it's gets confusing if our patches don't have kubuntu_ [19:20] jpatrick: I seem to remember people wanted one on thursday [19:20] ok [19:21] Riddell: btw, why do we need to set the complete path in the kde4 desktop files? [19:21] Riddell: so, thrusday it is? [19:21] shouldn't that be attached automagically by the KDE 3 patches [19:21] and kde 4 is having the correct $PATH anyway [19:22] apachelogger: so that gnome can find the apps [19:23] ah, true :) [19:23] Riddell: did you finish the transition yet? [19:23] apachelogger: which? [19:24] jpatrick: dunno, I might be out on thusday evening [19:24] Riddell: path change for kde4 desktop files [19:24] ah well then :) [19:32] yuriy: pong [19:41] Do we have two PPAs for KDE4 ? [19:42] DasKreech: ~kubuntu-members-kde4 should ibe it [19:43] are we still doing weekly builds? === \sh is now known as \sh_away [19:45] DasKreech: more like: when someone has time [19:45] !life | DasKreech [19:45] DasKreech: life is something very few people know about in this channel - and anyway, it's probably offtopic, perhaps you want to try #ubuntu-offtopic [19:45] ;) [19:48] * DasKreech cracks up [19:48] !botsnack [19:48] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! === awen_ is now known as awen- === davies is now known as jpatrick [20:48] Lure: i reported the kmail issue before [20:48] i'm wondering if its an upstreeam issue really [20:50] buz: we do not patch anything in filtering [20:50] so i thought [20:50] are kdepim-enterprise bugs to reported in kde bugzilla? [20:50] buz: upstream is looking into it - they have merged lots (100s) of commits from 3.5 branch and it may broke something [20:50] ok [20:50] buz: some, some are in kdab bug tracker [20:50] i'm using 20080118 for the time being [20:51] buz: till in #kontact said that he will look into this tommorow [20:51] we all want to get as much bugs aout before 3.5.9 release of merged kdepim [20:51] well obviously ;) [20:52] guys, I just noticed that strigi search replaces completely kfind now [20:52] i'm at work tomorrow, but should be able to check in irc occasionally [20:52] but... have you noticed it's not translated at all? [20:52] so if any questions arise, just pm me [20:52] is it possible to disable that? [20:52] it's really useless [20:54] did I get some wrong package, or is this normal now in kubuntu? I'm trying to upgrade a pc that had a nicely working feisty,... for a person that is clueless about computers and ... errm... doesn't know english [20:55] and now I get this "surprise" [20:55] what version [20:55] gutsy, just updated [20:55] cant remember seeing strigi doing much there [20:56] truth to be told, strigi generally doesnt seem to be doing much aside crawling the FS once [20:56] I didn't notice it in my desktop either (I'm on self-built kde4 here), but when I got this box updated.... I'm confused [20:56] an option in kmenu for strigi desktop search [20:56] well strigi is installed in gutsy i know that [20:57] could you simply change the option to kfind? [20:57] I'd want kfind back for now. This thing is not i18n()ed yet [20:57] buz: that's my intention :/ === smarter_ is now known as smarter [20:57] should be possible to edit the path and change it to kfind no? [20:58] yes, through kmenuedit, gui even [20:59] I think I'll keep both [20:59] I may avoid trouble finding it back when upgrading again [20:59] okay, done [21:00] anyway, I think kfind should find its place back for now, there, by default [21:00] to be honest i barely ever use the kmenu so i'm not the one to judge :P [21:00] alt-f2 is just so much more useful :P [21:02] Are we going to package qdevelop? [21:02] yeah, well, this is a laptop from a person taht doesn't know command line [21:02] and shortcuts [21:02] buz: after all kubuntu is all about non-knowledgeable users being able to use linux [21:03] yeah i know. my gf's father has a kubuntu machine :P [21:04] Or more exactly: if I package QDevelop, will it be accepted in Hardy? :} [21:07] don't we have packages of it? [21:07] they didn't get past REVU I think [21:08] !info qdevelop hardy [21:08] Package qdevelop does not exist in hardy [21:08] there's an entry in launchpad, so it's been uploaded but presumably rejected https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qdevelop [21:09] I don't see any message in ubuntu-archive [21:09] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2007-October/011725.html [21:10] So, can I try to fix the package? It's still on revu: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qdevelop [21:11] smarter: go ahead [21:11] cool :) [21:11] yay for... left behind binaries? [21:11] 'night everyone [21:11] BTW, I've packaged the Qt4 Bespin style for people who don't like Oxygen ;) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin [21:11] bonne nuit smarter [21:12] thanks jpatrick ;) [21:13] i'd love to see domino for kde4 [21:14] but the way i used domino was quite close to oxygen anyway [21:14] btw, how comes sometime i get kde4 colors in kde3 apps and sometimes not? (inside kde4 session) [21:15] buz: like which apps are you getting color in? [21:15] sometimes kmail is kde4 style, but usually not [21:15] konversation stays kde3 [21:15] and i think i saw akregator once in oxygen colors [21:15] odd. my kde3 apps never aquire the kde3 colors [21:16] *kde4 [21:16] yeah lately i havent seen it either [21:16] ah, nosrednaekim, we still want to get the desktop effects applet packaged up [21:16] oh there's a apply colors to non kde4 applications checkbox in appearance->colors [21:17] Riddell: I'm sorry, I don't know any packaging :) [21:17] nosrednaekim: remind me again where it is? [21:17] ~kubuntu-users [21:17] ~/kubuntu-users/desktop-effects-kde [21:18] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde [21:18] thanks jpatrick [21:53] what to do if application does not have icon (new package): what to put in .desktop file? [21:53] Lure: choose one from stock kde which fits best [21:54] if you can't find anything use a gear :) [21:54] apachelogger: and notify upstream to add .desktop + icon for next release? [21:54] yup [21:55] * apachelogger mosty notifies upstream about everything [21:55] apachelogger: stock kde being "hicolor"? [21:55] I think I would find my self highly annoying :D [21:55] Lure: crystalsvg [21:55] only app icons go hicolor [21:56] apachelogger: right [21:56] Lure: what app are we talking about anyway? [21:56] apachelogger: qlandekarte [21:56] qlandkarte even ;-) [21:56] the app isn' t that nu, is it? [21:57] * apachelogger is wondering why none made an icon yet [21:57] it is pretty new and they have some xpm stuff in code for icon [21:57] ugly [21:57] no wort using that [21:58] Riddell: if I translate the strigi page is there any chance it can be used? [21:58] I'm not sure if there's any localisation there .... [22:01] Lure: hehe... well... you can throw an xpm in /usr/share/pixmaps [22:01] and use that for now [22:02] uga: I expect so, it should be just i18n'ed strings [22:02] apachelogger: not sure I want that.. ;-) [22:03] hehe, ok :) [22:03] * apachelogger heads off to bed though [22:03] nini [22:03] apachelogger: good night [22:04] gute nacht apachelogger [22:04] oh, wait, I forgot, no german after 10 [22:06] why not? [22:06] or, more precisely, warum nicht? [22:06] why yes, it is a warm night [22:08] mhb: keine Ahnung, something he told me not to do (with him at least) ;) [22:48] Hobbsee: looks like they didn't get your no OT messae (?) [22:52] Riddell: entschuldigung [22:54] wow, I crimped my first RJ-45 using ordinary pliers [22:54] is that like an entwickler? [22:54] congratulations, those thing are always fiddly [22:58] is it normal to install binaries with caps in /usr/bin (e.g. /usr/bin/QLandkarte)? [22:58] or should we rename them? [22:59] Riddell: its more like "please put all guilt away from me" [22:59] oh, so we should put debhelper >= 6 now? [23:00] Lure: it is definitely not normal. [23:00] Lure: I'd say it is "ugly" [23:00] mhb: I have no command with caps and I get lintian warnings (as manpage is small letters only) [23:00] X11 [23:01] jpatrick: ;-) [23:01] good catch, will fix that also ;-) [23:01] Lure: there's no policy against it, but it's not pretty indeed [23:01] jpatrick: VirtualBox does it too (I hate him for that, by the way) [23:01] Lure: yeah, we probabaly should debhelper 6 now (keep -motu happy) [23:02] should probably readup on what the difference is in 6 first :) [23:02] Riddell: if it works, I do not care ;-) [23:09] obviously don't use debhelper 6 for anything you think might be backported [23:10] Riddell: it is new package, are such backported? [23:10] if someone wants it in gutsy [23:11] if it's not very popular then probably not [23:11] ok, will stay with 5 then [23:13] Riddell: it is the best gps utility for Garmin GPS, so I suspect it might be wanted [23:14] yuriy: Ping? You wanted something/ [23:26] mornfall: about the weird searching i mentioned [23:26] an example: search for ksm [23:26] should come up with ksmserver, among other things [23:26] it flickers something, then blank [23:28] jpatrick: how quickly does revu pick up uploads? [23:29] it does it every 10 mins from my experience [23:30] stdin: thanks [23:30] * Lure want to get to bed, but not before I see it on revu [23:31] ok, here it is [23:32] any motu have time to revu the qlandkarte package for me: bug 103324 has all details [23:32] Launchpad bug 103324 in ubuntu "[need-packaging] QLandkarte" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103324 [23:32] * Lure -> bed, good night all [23:34] yuriy: Well, that's basically not weird, since "ksm" is not a word per se. [23:42]