[01:11] <Toma-> Anyone come across a failure to install over a pre-existing install with the daily builds on x86_64?
[02:33] <Toma-> Anyone had any issues installing with x86_64?
[02:44] <DanaG> OOh, another cool thing about PulseAudio: the duplicate thingy has amazingly good synchronization.
[02:44] <DanaG> I haven't tried using it to network sinks, but when I've used it on two sound cards, the audio was so in-sync that you get NO echo, and get stuff either in-phase or out-of-phase, depending on physical distance.
[02:44] <DanaG> OOh, another cool thing about PulseAudio: the duplicate thingy has amazingly good synchronization.
[02:44] <DanaG> I haven't tried using it to network sinks, but when I've used it on two sound cards, the audio was so in-sync that you get NO echo, and get stuff either in-phase or out-of-phase, depending on physical distance.
[02:45] <DanaG> (i think my message got lost... Pidgin fails at noticing network disconnection.
[02:46] <wastrel> pulse audio
[02:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Will the next Kubuntu Alpha have a KDE4 Branch to test?
[02:53] <zoke> FunnyLookinHat they already do have a KD4 branch
[02:53] <zoke> I just can't find it atm
[02:54] <FunnyLookinHat> zoke, well I saw the kde4 build released the day after KDE4 was released into the wild
[02:54] <zoke> thats it
[02:54] <FunnyLookinHat> But taht was just an initial test live branch I thought....
[02:54] <zoke> kubuntu-kd4
[02:54] <zoke> it's going to be like that until hardy+1
[02:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah ok, so that will be updated with the next Alpha release?
[02:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh no?
[02:55] <zoke> FunnyLookinHat the releases will be kept up todate
[02:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Awesome, thanks!
[02:55] <FunnyLookinHat> (I'm waiting for the next alpha to test it on m macbook)
[02:55] <zoke> but you won't see it in normal kubuntu until post hardy
[02:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Right.
[02:56]  * DanaG wonders what brand of laptop actually supports all the cool gnome-power-manager stuff such as ambient light sensors, keyboard lights, and such.
[02:57] <FunnyLookinHat> Macbook Pros probably do...  only because the converts expect all of the same hardware support.
[02:58] <FunnyLookinHat> ;)
[03:01] <DanaG> One mouse buton == no buy.
[03:02] <DanaG> s/buton/button/
[03:02] <FunnyLookinHat> DanaG, well I just tap with two fingers for a right click...  and I actually like it more now   : )
[03:02] <DanaG> What about when in Windows?
[03:02] <FunnyLookinHat> Windows?  What's that?
[03:02] <wastrel> i rightclick
[03:02] <wastrel> how do you middle-click?
[03:02] <FunnyLookinHat> Apple has bootcamp software that lets you map a rightclick in windows
[03:02] <FunnyLookinHat> three finger tap
[03:02] <FunnyLookinHat> and it's VERY accurate
[03:03] <FunnyLookinHat> I was really amazed
[03:03] <DanaG> Oh, and when I tried Feisty LiveCD on a friend's MacBook, I was appalled to see that the battery DOESN'T REPORT WATTAGE!
[03:03] <wastrel> i don't like os x :p
[03:03] <DanaG> Here's my touchpad config in Ubuntu: twofingerscroll (horz and vert).
[03:03] <FunnyLookinHat> lol, yeah Gutsy improved a lot of that
[03:03] <FunnyLookinHat> LOL
[03:03] <DanaG> It's a BIOS (-emulation) limitation, isn't it>
[03:03] <DanaG> ?
[03:04] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I have one-finger tap == nothing; 2-finger == middle, 3-finger == right.
[03:04] <DanaG> Can't do that in OS X.
[03:04] <DanaG> Hardy is actually my primary OS.
[03:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Not sure to be honest, but my power manager lets me see all aspects of the battery usage (wattage, voltage, etc.)
[03:04] <DanaG> Try PowerTop, too.
[03:04] <FunnyLookinHat> I LOVE powertop!
[03:05] <FunnyLookinHat> It's freaking amazing.
[03:05] <DanaG> Another thing: for some reason, I just don't like Apple.  I'm not sure why -- perhaps it's something about freedom.
[03:05] <DanaG> Oh, and the "my way or the highway" attitude.
[03:05] <FunnyLookinHat> Not only did Core2Duo chips win be back over, but powertop made apple the best thing ever in my book
[03:05] <FunnyLookinHat> LOL
[03:05] <FunnyLookinHat> True that.
[03:05] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm in it for the hardware.
[03:05] <blkorpheus> updated liferea, but still the unread advance bug remains:(
[03:06] <DanaG> Anybody have Asus notebooks?
[03:06] <blkorpheus> why?1?
[03:06] <FunnyLookinHat> blkorpheus, why at me?
[03:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one thing I reeeeeeeeeeeeeally want to see in a notebook: audio chip with multiple streaming -- have surround outputs AND a separate front output.
[03:06] <FunnyLookinHat> DanaG, that would be sweeeeeet   :-D
[03:07] <DanaG> I know Realtek chips can do that, but the OEM has to wire it up correctly.
[03:07] <blkorpheus> FunnyLookinHat, no
[03:09] <wastrel> what's powertop
[03:10] <FunnyLookinHat> wastrel, power management software for creating maximum CPU efficiency for best battery life
[03:10] <FunnyLookinHat> it analyzes your CPU cycles and the processes using them and makes recommendations
[03:11] <wastrel> how strange
[03:11] <wastrel> like "don't play WoW so much" ?
[03:11] <FunnyLookinHat> LOL
[03:11] <FunnyLookinHat> More like, "Disable the USB mass storage interface unless in use" etc.
[03:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one really nice feature on my Gateway notebook: a toggle-all-LEDs hotkey.
[03:19] <wastrel> ?
[03:19] <wastrel> like the caps lock and num lock?
[03:21] <DanaG> And hard drive, and wireless, and power button, too.
[03:22] <DanaG> And the power and battery LEDs on the front.
[03:22] <FunnyLookinHat> What's the point of that?
[03:23] <DanaG> SO you can watch a movie in the dark, if you want to, without having distracting LEDs.
[03:23] <wastrel> oic
[03:23] <wastrel> you turn them off :]
[03:23] <FunnyLookinHat> Wow...  that's about as big a deal as having a front audio port (as opposed to 5 inches farther on the side)
[03:23] <DanaG> Actually, it's a little touch nobody thinks of, but it turns out to be really nice.
[03:24] <DanaG> It also means I can leave the laptop on at night and not have anything (except the ethernet port) lit up.
[03:24] <FunnyLookinHat> I doubt I'd ever use it. but I'm glad you enjoy it  : )
[03:29] <shirish> Hi all, has anybody got the 2.6.24 series kernel. For in my menu I've only 2.6.22-14-generic only. Also doing a uname -r gives me the same.
[03:33] <wastrel> 2.6.24-5-generic
[03:36] <shirish> wastrel: how did you get the new one?
[03:37] <wastrel> i got a 2.6.24-something when i upgraded from gusty iirc
[03:37] <wastrel> then just upgrading got me newer versions.
[03:38] <shirish> this is not good for I'm not getting the newer version or perhaps I've them but they are not in menu.lst, something somewhere is not right.
[03:39] <Toma-> Anyone had any issues installing with x86_64?
[03:40] <DanaG> Lovely, I just got another one of those nvidia lockups.
[03:40] <DanaG> It recovered, but boy is it annoying.
[03:40] <wastrel> nvidia lockups you say?
[03:40] <wastrel> this box is my first with an nvidia card seems to be problem-free so far
[03:42] <Toma-> i get nvidia lockups all the time
[03:42] <Toma-> Xid's
[03:42] <Toma-> alot more common when using KDE apps
[03:43] <DanaG> compiz.real[10915]: segfault at 00000004 eip b5cf69e6 esp bf8cbd50 error 4
[03:43] <shirish> wastrel: DanaG: I have linux-image-2.6.24-5-generic but in menu.lst only 2.6.22-14-generic appears, any ideas guys how to fix that?
[03:43] <DanaG> sudo update-grub ?
[03:44] <shirish> ah yes,
[03:44] <shirish> lemme try that
[03:45] <wastrel> i don't use kde apps generally
[03:45]  * DanaG must go AFK for a while -- homework.
[05:09] <dbmood1> hi ah got a question with running 64bit ubuntu- do i for an intel 64bit computer grab the amd64 isos or are there intel 64bit isos ?
[05:11] <Toma-> 64bit covers it all
[05:11] <dbmood1> ... really it says amd64 on my isp's repo :)
[05:12] <Toma-> well good luck finding a intel one then
[05:12] <dbmood1> eh
[05:12] <dbmood1> do i need an intel one ?
[05:12] <tumbleweed__> no
[05:12] <dbmood1> good thought you were serious there for a second
[05:12] <dbmood1> -couldn't find any info about it
[05:12] <dbmood1> btw i can upgrade to 64bit ubuntu from 32bit yeah ?
[05:13] <Toma-> no
[05:13] <dbmood1> - like keep the conf files no ?
[05:13] <hydrogen> theres no real reason to use 64 bit ubuntu
[05:13] <dbmood1> ... ... hits head
[05:13] <Toma-> theres some conf files youll need to get rid of
[05:13] <tumbleweed__> yes there is
[05:13] <tumbleweed__> it's faster on 64-bit cpus
[05:13] <dbmood1> hydrogen how about 64bit is really cool and i just found out this box i was given a while ago has it
[05:14] <Toma-> *with over 4gb of ram
[05:14] <tumbleweed__> 64-bit cpus only really emulate 32bit, so it's better to use a 64-bit os on it
[05:14] <dbmood1> mmm - even with other things toma you can get some performance
[05:14] <hydrogen> err
[05:14] <hydrogen> no
[05:14] <tumbleweed__> also
[05:14] <hydrogen> it is not faster
[05:14] <tumbleweed__> yes
[05:14] <hydrogen> using 64bit
[05:14] <tumbleweed__> it is
[05:14] <hydrogen> than 32bit
[05:14] <tumbleweed__> 32bit cpu's are also vulnerable to the y3k glitch
[05:15] <hydrogen> its a larger pain in ones rear end, unless you happen to a) have > 4gb of ram or b) run lots and lots of high end mathemtical software
[05:15] <tumbleweed__> no
[05:15] <tumbleweed__> it really isn't
[05:15] <hydrogen> oh, thats a definate reason to worry about using 64bit software
[05:15] <tumbleweed__> no
[05:15] <hydrogen> MY COMPUTER MIGHT BREAK IN 993 YEARS
[05:15] <hydrogen> omg
[05:15] <tumbleweed__> no
[05:15] <tumbleweed__> 20
[05:15] <hydrogen> err
[05:15] <hydrogen> y3k
[05:15] <hydrogen> is year 3000
[05:15] <tumbleweed__> I know
[05:15] <hydrogen> thats 993 years away
[05:15] <tumbleweed__> y3k is just a nickname
[05:15] <Toma-> #ubuntu-offtopic to continue the 64bit VS 32bit war
[05:15] <hydrogen> mm
[05:16] <hydrogen> no need to continue it
[05:16] <Toma-> exactly.
[05:16] <dbmood1> dude do you encode stuff ?
[05:16] <hydrogen> I'd rather stay out of lolcode territory
[05:16] <Toma-> im sure dbmood1 has read all about the benefits of 64bit
[05:16] <hydrogen> err, lolcat
[05:16] <hydrogen> I was close!
[05:16] <dbmood1> lets move to the other channel and stop spamming this one
[05:17] <tumbleweed__> lol
[05:52] <DanaG> wow, it's quiet.
[05:53] <Toma-> good isnt it
[05:55] <pwnguin> could just mean the latest update broke networking :P
[05:55] <Toma-> heheh
[08:58] <alka_trash> just wondering, does hard feel faster than gutsy and feisty?
[09:08] <Oli```> Argl so many orphaned updates today >_<
[09:09] <Oli```> and no restricted-core or manager ='(
[09:33] <buz> according to launchpad, virtualbox-ose-1.5.4 should be in hardy since the 26th but i still get the broken 1.5.0 release when trying to install it?
[09:34] <flipstar> i know silly question but did you do an apt-get update?
[09:35] <flipstar> for me Version: 1.5.4-dfsg-4ubuntu1 is availible
[09:37] <buz> flipstar: twice daily
[09:38] <buz> what repo are you using?
[09:39] <flipstar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53945/
[09:39] <buz> i'm using the swiss mirror but i'll be damned if thats the reason
[09:40] <buz> if i fetch the packages from launchpad i can build module and install it
[09:40] <buz> which is um weird
[09:41] <buz> looks like the modules are not propery built which leads to weird errors in aptitude
[09:41] <flipstar> im using the main mirror due md5 issues..
[09:43] <buz> flipstar: did you just search for the package or try to install it?
[09:43] <flipstar> nope
[09:43] <flipstar> didnt installed
[09:44] <buz> it seems like it erronously depends on 2.6.22 still
[09:44] <flipstar> just used apt-cache show
[09:44] <flipstar> what why did you keep that 'old' kernel ?
[09:44] <buz> i did not
[09:45] <buz> the deb seems broken
[09:45] <buz> when i manually do build the kernel module and then try to install virtualbox-ose it works
[09:45] <flipstar> i'll try to install..
[09:46] <flipstar> right i get the error message brocken packege..
[09:46] <buz> looks like the modules are not provided
[09:46] <buz> but they are easily built from virtualbox-ose-source
[09:47] <buz> well thanks anyway
[09:49] <buz> now i can go try kde on windows :P
[09:49] <flipstar> nice
[09:55] <adrock358> HELLO?
[09:56] <adrock358> I have a question for you
[09:56] <adrock358> C'mon, somebody answer
[09:56] <adrock358> 140 people.  can't all be asleep.
[09:56] <flipstar> !ask
[09:56] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[09:56] <adrock358> flipstar.  hook me up.  i got a question
[09:57] <adrock358> yeah, but why would i ask a question to a dead room?
[09:57] <adrock358> what would that do for me besides kill time, which i, nor anyone, has?
[09:58] <adrock358> how do i manually install updates?
[09:58] <adrock358> flipstar, do you know?
[09:58] <adrock358> from the command line?
[09:59] <adrock358> say I want to install all updates.....all of them.  is there a single command?
[09:59] <adrock358> nice.  i'm glad i asked the questions.  thanks flipstar
[10:00] <adrock358> !don't ask if it's late and no one is there
[10:00] <BenderUnit22> It's never late on the internets.
[10:00] <flipstar> hm is you sure you grown enough for hardy ?
[10:00] <adrock358> no, i'm not
[10:00] <flipstar> try man apt-get
[10:06] <adrock358> flipstar.  thanks bro
[10:14] <Assid> heya
[10:14] <Assid> how goes it
[10:25] <BenderUnit22> Returning to mpd, I'm slightly confused seeing it only indexes mp3 files (of which I have about ten).
[10:26] <BenderUnit22> It seems to ignore my .ogg files. Does anybody know what I might be overlooking?
[10:27] <BenderUnit22> *blush* Permissions problem, sorry for the noise. :/
[12:28] <rsk> where can i find alpha 4 ?
[12:29] <flipstar> in ~48h everywhere
[12:29] <flipstar> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[13:24] <zombie_monkey> When I open "users and groups" adn click "unlick" I get "could not authenticate" "an unexpected error has occured"; running from a terminal users-admin, when I click Unlock, beside that message, in the terminal I get: "** (users-admin:5873): CRITICAL **: The name org.gnome.PolicyKit was not provided by any .service files"; when I run sudo users-admin, before it loads, in the terminal: "** (users-admin:5771): CRITICAL **: Unable to lookup session informa
[13:25] <zombie_monkey> em, Unlock*
[13:30] <clusty> i asked in #ubuntu but got no help.
[13:31] <clusty> installed the cUDA drivers from nvidia and screwed up the nice drivers installed by ubuntu
[13:31] <clusty> how can I fix it back?
[13:31] <clusty> tryed doing dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[13:31] <clusty> and nvidia-glx-new
[13:31] <clusty> anything else i can try?
[13:32] <Gigamo> envy
[13:33] <Gigamo> ^^
[13:33] <Pici> ...
[13:33] <Pici> !envy
[13:33] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[13:33] <Gigamo> cant you use envy to remove the drivers completely though?
[13:34] <nat6138> I think Envy just updates the drivers.
[13:34] <Gigamo> when I messed my system earlier I could run envy in textual interface and clean my nvidia driver
[13:34] <Gigamo> dunno if that works in hardy
[13:34] <clusty> i have a hunch that the CUDA stuff left me some files
[13:34] <clusty> lemme try
[13:34] <zombie_monkey> I rebooted, same thing
[13:35] <clusty> i don't have envy
[13:35] <clusty> what package do i need to get?
[13:36] <Gigamo> albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[13:40] <clusty> fingers crossed :D
[13:44] <clusty> long live envy
[13:44] <clusty> ....and the spagetti :D
[13:45] <Gigamo> :)
[13:51] <Oli```> Has anybody else noticed the current xorg hogging a lot of RAM?
[13:52] <flipstar> nothing unusual here..
[13:53] <Oli```> mine's using 170megs (according to the system monitor). I don't think it used to get anywhere near that high
[14:33] <flibberdy> Hi all, does anyone know how to disable the update manager in xubuntu hardy?
[14:36] <flibberdy> nm i remembered, software sources -> updates if anyone else has a brainfart
[14:36] <Gigamo> lovely word
[14:36] <Gigamo> brainfart
[14:36] <Gigamo> :P
[15:32] <EmmerP> so what's really new in Hardy in an end-user perspective? Firefox 3 and Xorg 7.3?
[15:32] <EmmerP> Does compiz-fusion still work with X7.3?
[15:33] <bardyr> EmmerP, its more solid, mere polish and runs a little better and has new stuff
[15:33] <bardyr> EmmerP, hardy is a LTS so its more about making it rock solid then features
[15:33] <EmmerP> ok, I was already impressed by gutsy, thinking that was lts too
[15:34] <bardyr> EmmerP, nope
[15:34] <bardyr> EmmerP, only other LTS is 6.06
[15:35] <EmmerP> Think I'll give it a shot then...although its Alpha 3:)
[15:35] <wastrel> i thought it was 4 now
[15:36] <EmmerP> could be
[15:36] <hit> 4 will come in few days
[15:36] <bardyr> EmmerP, i would wait to alpha4 out the 31.
[15:37] <bardyr> EmmerP, aplha3 really sucks, way to shitty kernel :D
[15:37] <bardyr> alpha*
[15:37] <EmmerP> what exactly is shitty about it?
[15:37] <hit> everything for me atm with alpha3
[15:37] <EmmerP> heh
[15:37] <hit> +fine
[15:37] <EmmerP> e
[15:38] <hit> installed when it was alpha1 and upgrading since then
[15:39] <EmmerP> So everything's fine for you you mean
[15:39] <flipstar> i'am onboard since alpha 3
[15:40] <bardyr> EmmerP, its unstable and aint working properly
[15:40] <hit> there was problems with some HAL packages for me
[15:41] <hit> lost my connection and couldn't upgrade anymore
[15:41] <ccooke> bardyr: ... you're aware of the concept of an Aplha release, yes?
[15:41] <flipstar> for me there was - unitill now - nothing i couldn't deal with :P
[15:41] <ccooke> or an alpha release (evidently my fingers are not aware of the concept of spelling)
[15:41] <bardyr> ccooke, yea been on hardy since the repos opened ;)
[15:41] <hit> flipstar, excactly
[15:42] <ccooke> flipstar: what happened now?
[15:42] <bardyr> ccooke, but i still dont recommend ubuntu hardy alpha 3
[15:42] <flipstar> no i mean it isn't stable yet..
[15:43] <flipstar> so who knows what happens tomorrow
[15:43] <ccooke> bardyr: well, no. Nobody *should* be recommending it. Unless the people you're talking to are experienced testers who won't be surprised or worried when it breaks :-)
[15:44] <bmk789> i just switched to the hardy kernel, what is the "extra timer interrupt" shown in powertop?
[16:05] <Nik0la0s> hello
[16:06] <Nik0la0s> i installed and configures postfix to be abel to send mail
[16:06] <Nik0la0s> now can i receive mail as well ?
[16:07] <flipstar> try write yourself a mail :)
[16:07] <EmmerP> by the way bardyr, you sound a bit contradictive about Hardy: on the one hand you say 'its stable, polished, etc' and at the same time 'its unstable and not working properly'
[16:07] <Nik0la0s> well i dont knwo which is my local mail
[16:07] <EmmerP> try username@host
[16:07] <flipstar> yes it is an development release
[16:07] <bardyr> EmmerP, its goals are stable, polished, etc
[16:07] <flipstar> it is going to be stable
[16:07] <EmmerP> I'm familiar with dev releases
[16:08] <EmmerP> using gentoo, beryl, ati drivers, etc in its newest forms
[16:08] <EmmerP> and ubuntu for about a year now
[16:08] <Nik0la0s> my local maio,s eems to be nik@dell
[16:08] <bardyr> and currently i have not any major problems with it, but alpha3 was had a really buggy kernel
[16:08] <Nik0la0s> can i sent mail from my gmail accoutn to nik@dell ?
[16:08] <Nik0la0s> will it come?
[16:09] <flipstar> no
[16:09] <Nik0la0s> then how cna i be sure i will be receiving mails?
[16:09] <Nik0la0s> i mean always from comamnd line
[16:11] <Nik0la0s> and when is ent mails they look like nik@gmail.com
[16:11] <Nik0la0s> but my gmail account its not nik its nikos1337
[16:11] <Nik0la0s> so even if i sent mails they are not sent as for me
[16:12] <Nik0la0s> plz help
[16:12] <EmmerP> I think you need to explain yourself a little bit more
[16:12] <EmmerP> what are you trying to do using which programs
[16:12] <WorkingOnWise> Are there nautilus updates in the repos that have ben there for several days that are still being held back? I have several in update manager and am wondering if it's the repos holding them or my install mesed up?
[16:12] <EmmerP> and which config
[16:13] <Nik0la0s> what i want to do is to be able to send and recive mails form cli
[16:13] <Nik0la0s> using mutt and postfix
[16:14] <DanaG> Hmm, if you try doing updates with Aptitude (run with no parameters), it should give more info on why things are being held back.
[16:14] <flipstar> WorkingOnWise: they might be released soon .. you can manually do it with update-manager -d
[16:15] <Nik0la0s> all i did is configure postfix to let me use my isp's mail server
[16:15] <DanaG> Hash Sum mismatch on mirrors.kernel.org.  Odd.
[16:15] <Nik0la0s> and i can sent mails but they look like nik@gmail.com
[16:15] <flipstar> DanaG: you might try another server..
[16:16] <WorkingOnWise> flipstar: why are they being held?
[16:16] <Nik0la0s> EmmerP, ?
[16:16] <DanaG> I use both mirrors.kernel.org and us.archive.ubuntu.com.
[16:16] <DanaG> Mine doesn't show held, but it doesn't show changelogs for those packages.
[16:17] <DanaG> I try not install things without reading changelogs.
[16:17] <bardyr> WorkingOnWise, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:17] <DanaG> However, some things (such as gcc) seem to never SHOW any changelogs.
[16:17] <flipstar> DanaG: you can change from local to main server in adept_manager
[16:17] <DanaG> Try just plain 'sudo aptitude'.
[16:17] <DanaG> I use both servers at once, with the faster one listed first to take priority in sources.list.
[16:17] <flipstar> WorkingOnWise: no idea..maybe depencies issues maybe nothing
[16:18] <flipstar> maybe you can test to exchange both..
[16:18] <Nik0la0s> will someone going to help me/>
[16:18] <EmmerP> Nik0la0s: mails sent from your mutt+postfix setup have as sender nik@gmail.com? then that address must be somewhere in the config
[16:19] <EmmerP> .muttrc or /etc/postfix.conf or something
[16:19] <robertj> does anyone know what the status of gvfs' ftp backend is in Hardy?
[16:19] <EmmerP> not very familiar with it
[16:19] <DanaG> Well, it's working fine -- it's just fallen back to the secondary mirror.
[16:19] <DanaG> It just must mean that the first one is currently syncing, or something.
[16:19] <Nik0la0s> EmmerP, yes its /etc/postfix/main.cf
[16:19] <DanaG> Anyway, gotta' go.
[16:20] <Nik0la0s> i agve as myhostname = gmail.com
[16:20] <EmmerP> whats your username, nik?
[16:20] <EmmerP> ah that makes sense
[16:20] <EmmerP> why gmail.com
[16:20] <EmmerP> your hostname should be the hostname of your server
[16:20] <Nik0la0s> well i wanted to look like iam sendign mails from my gmail account
[16:21] <Nik0la0s> ok my isp is forthnet.gr
[16:21] <EmmerP> aha
[16:21] <Nik0la0s> so  myhostname = forthnet.gr right?
[16:21] <Nik0la0s> but my username is nkouras in forthnet
[16:21] <Nik0la0s> not nik
[16:21] <Nik0la0s> nik is my username in linux
[16:21] <Nik0la0s> how can i amke it look like iam nkouras@ath.forthnet.gr?
[16:22] <EmmerP> isn't there a 'from' address in postfix config?
[16:22] <WorkingOnWise> flipstar: bardyr: I did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and it comes up with 1 package. update-manager  -d comes up with none. Since Thursday the same nautilus updates have been in the repos. I can wait till their ready if thats the case, I just want to be sure their not held back because of something on my system, and if it is my system, to figure out what is wrong.
[16:22] <Nik0la0s> EmmerP, no there isnt
[16:22] <EmmerP> what's forthnet
[16:22] <Nik0la0s> my isp
[16:23] <bardyr> WorkingOnWise, go to the software source manager and add all repos and check recommended, etc updates
[16:23] <EmmerP> so now you don't want to be the sender your gmail address?
[16:23] <Nik0la0s> a yes
[16:23] <Nik0la0s> okey lest say'
[16:23] <Nik0la0s> i want to look like nikos1337@gmail.com
[16:23] <Nik0la0s> lets forget forthnet
[16:23] <Nik0la0s> lest say i want to use my gmail account
[16:24] <Nik0la0s> 1st is to myhostname = gmail.com
[16:24] <Nik0la0s> correct?
[16:24] <bardyr> no
[16:24] <Nik0la0s> as relay i uses this relayhost = mail.forthnet.gr:25
[16:24] <Nik0la0s> because my isp allows relay
[16:25] <Nik0la0s> although i guess i had to use smtp.gmail.com:557
[16:25] <WorkingOnWise> bardyr: did that as soon as the reboot from install. Only thing not on is the cd and the Unsuppoeted (backports)
[16:25] <bardyr> Nik0la0s, forward your gmail mail to your box or fetch it with IMAP/POP3
[16:25] <Nik0la0s> bardyr, how?
[16:25] <bardyr> Nik0la0s, then get your client to send/fetch it from gmail with pop3/imap
[16:25] <Nik0la0s> one thing at a time
[16:26] <Nik0la0s> 1st i wan tto just be able to sent mails
[16:26] <bardyr> Nik0la0s, google knows or man your_mail_app
[16:26] <Nik0la0s> i cna send mails but appear as nik@gmail.com
[16:26] <Nik0la0s> while my accoutn is nikos137@gmail.com
[16:26] <Nik0la0s> EmmerP, ?
[16:26] <EmmerP> mutt has a 'from address' option as config
[16:26] <Nik0la0s> the from address has to be in mutt or postfix
[16:26] <Nik0la0s> ?
[16:27] <WorkingOnWise> bardyr: are u fully updated atm?
[16:27] <bardyr> yea
[16:27] <EmmerP> if you are using mutt to send mails it should be mutt
[16:27] <EmmerP> check this:
[16:27] <EmmerP> http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttFaq/Header
[16:27] <bmk789> i upgraded to hardy's tickless kernel and my power consumption went from about 15W to 17-18, what gives?
[16:29] <WorkingOnWise> will u check your nautilus ver for me? mine is 2.20.0-2ubuntu3, and the one in the repo being held is 2.21.6-0ubuntu2
[16:29] <Nik0la0s> i can tfind mutt's conf
[16:29] <Nik0la0s> why use mutt and not use mail?
[16:29] <Nik0la0s> what is simpler?
[16:31] <EmmerP> I thought u wanted to use mutt
 what i want to do is to be able to send and recive mails form cli
 using mutt and postfix
[16:31] <Nik0la0s> yes but it smes diffciuly
[16:32] <EmmerP> I never use mail
[16:32] <Nik0la0s> please direct me step by step
[16:32] <EmmerP> so can't help you any further
[16:32] <Nik0la0s> you use mutt?
[16:32] <EmmerP> yes
[16:32] <EmmerP> follow that link
[16:32] <Nik0la0s> its not clear
[16:32] <Nik0la0s> isnt ehre a file in mutt i can configure to say
[16:32] <Nik0la0s> iam who iam
[16:33] <EmmerP> it says to edit ~/.muttrc, so do vim ~/.muttrc
[16:33] <Nik0la0s> and sent mail from that address?
[16:33] <EmmerP> that's what I told you
[16:33] <EmmerP> http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttFaq/Header
[16:33] <EmmerP> says how to say who you are
[16:33] <Nik0la0s> its mepty file
[16:33] <Nik0la0s> ~/.muttrc is an amtpy file
[16:33] <Nik0la0s> empty
[16:34] <WorkingOnWise> bardyr: will u check your nautilus ver for me? mine is 2.20.0-2ubuntu3, and the one in the repo being held is 2.21.6-0ubuntu2
[16:34] <bardyr> 2.21-6
[16:34] <bardyr> .6
[16:34] <EmmerP> Nik0la0s, that's possible, nothing wrong with that
[16:34] <bardyr> WorkingOnWise, you are better off with the old version, 21.6 is very unstable :D
[16:34] <bardyr> but has some nice additions
[16:35] <EmmerP> but you should use a mutt howto to learn mutt
[16:35] <WorkingOnWise> bardyr: do u have backports enabled?
[16:35] <bardyr> yea
[16:35] <bardyr> but it should be empty
[16:36] <WorkingOnWise> that must be the dif...i usually dont turn it on
[16:37] <WorkingOnWise> however, I was wondering because Natilus is fubar on my machine and figured it was something to do with a 1/2 update of Nautilus, hence the held back packages in the repos
[16:38] <EmmerP> Nik0la0s: I have to go now, good luck, but I think you need to study some more howtos/guides
[16:39] <WorkingOnWise> all in all its been pretty uneventful testing hardy...I'll enable backports ans see what we can do about that!
[16:39] <Assid> err
[16:39] <Assid> so what new can we expect from hardy as such over gutsy ?
[16:40] <WorkingOnWise> Assid: more polished, focus on long term support.
[16:40] <Assid> okay so no new features
[16:40] <Assid> atleast i know what im testing for
[16:40] <Assid> hehe
[16:41] <WorkingOnWise> some. awn is in the repos. evolution now does 2 way sync with gogle cal.
[16:41] <WorkingOnWise> google
[16:41] <Assid> awn ?
[16:41] <Assid> the dock ?
[16:41] <WorkingOnWise> yup
[16:41] <Assid> sweet
[16:42] <WorkingOnWise> kinda
[16:42] <hydrogen> gnome will add two new features that have been in kde for years, and everyone will praise how innovative and amazing they are
[16:42] <hydrogen> just the usual release
[16:42] <WorkingOnWise> no applets, list the status bar for now....
[16:42] <Assid> they should fix the darn brightness bug.. it keeps going bright dark on me :(
[16:42] <WorkingOnWise> hydrogen: lol...dontca love good marketing!
[16:45] <Assid> WorkingOnWise: gutsy honestly felt like beta for me on my laptop
[16:47] <WorkingOnWise> really? I was pretty happy with it for the time I could give it. I was wtill in Windows then...
[16:48] <WorkingOnWise> wtill=still
[16:49] <cube_> go 8.04! no problems so far
[16:50] <Assid> err
[16:50] <Assid> many problems!!
[16:50] <cube_> yeah i been on it since yesterday
[16:50] <Assid> wth are you testing!
[16:50] <cube_> basic functions
[16:50] <Assid> err... been using it every night
[16:50] <cube_> so what isn't working for u
[16:51] <Assid> err.. the brightness goes up and down like a yoyo for example
[16:51] <Assid> compiz crshes
[16:51] <Assid> appearance manager randomly crashes
[16:51] <cube_> the brightness thing might be compiz or maybe if u have a lcd screen
[16:51] <Assid> lcd- laptop
[16:51] <cube_> i am gonna install compiz manager right now
[16:51] <cube_> see if it works forme
[16:52] <Assid> happens even if compiz is not running
[16:52] <cube_> im on a vga with a DVI out card and a converter and no problems like that
[16:53] <cube_> yep compiz working fine so far
[16:54] <cube_> yeah developmental would probably be more troublesome on a laptop
[16:54] <cube_> for me everything is working just like it did on gutsy
[16:59] <Assid> hrmm
[16:59] <Assid> i got a dell d600
[16:59] <Assid> and im guessing the problem is cause of lcd
[17:00] <chowmeined> suspend/hibernate doesnt work, the graphics driver causes corrupts images, gnome-keyring asks for passwords even though its supposed to be tied in to login/unlock screen,
[17:05] <Assid> and recursive deleting directories on external drives dont work
[17:05] <Assid> not with ntfs-3g atleast
[17:09] <cube_> my graphics driver doesn't corrupt image
[19:01] <bardyr> how come the live builds are not updated?
[19:01] <bardyr> on a daily basis
[19:01] <rsk> don't know
[19:02] <rsk> need some bug squashed?
[19:04] <bardyr> i think its and automatic build
[19:23] <juliux> hi
[19:24] <juliux> is it a known bug that the daily from today is not installable?
[19:49] <pwnguin> bug #159933
[19:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159933 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "license question about linux-ubuntu-modules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159933
[19:53] <kalpik> hey all.. just a simple query.. an upgrade is trying to remove restricted-manager restricted-manager-core system-config-printer
[19:53] <kalpik> is that fine?
[19:54] <stdin> only if you don't need those things
[19:55] <kalpik> stdin, i DO use the restricted drivers manager.. but why is it trying to remove it? and is it doing the same for other people?
[19:56] <flipstar> restricted-manager seems to be no longer in the repos for hardy ..
[19:56] <kalpik> flipstar, any idea why?
[19:56] <rsk> probably getting replaced then
[19:57] <kalpik> so should i let the dist-upgrade remove it? :P
[19:58] <rsk> if there's something new coming at the same time.. sure
[19:58] <kalpik> rsk, a lot of new things are coming.. but i dont think anything's replacing it..
[19:59] <kalpik> im getting the whole of gnome-desktop
[19:59] <kalpik> and a lot of xorg related stuff..
[19:59] <kalpik> if anyone's interested, i can pastebin it :P
[20:00] <stdin> it's up to you to decide what's safe to update and what's not
[20:00] <kalpik> lol
[20:00] <kalpik> im getting the whole of gnome 2.21.90
[20:01] <rsk> 8)
[20:01] <rsk> congratulations
[20:01] <kalpik> stdin, wth.. i guess ill do the dist-upgrade.. restricted drivers manager shouldnt hurt anyway, cause nvidia-glx-new is still installed :)
[20:01] <kalpik> rsk, :P
[20:01] <Assid> heya
[20:02] <flipstar> hi :)
[20:04] <Assid> oh crap.. i wanted to say something
[20:04] <Assid> forgot
[20:04] <Assid> ADD ? maybe
[20:04] <rsk> uh oh
[20:07] <kalpik> rsk, flipstar stdin oh cool! they've renamed restricted drivers manager to "Driver Setup"
[20:07] <kalpik> so everything still works :)
[20:07] <rsk> hehe take that! windows
[20:07] <kalpik> gnome 2.21.90 :D
[20:08] <kalpik> i guess ill go sleep now.. 1:40 AM here in india :P
[20:08] <kalpik> gnite.. and thanks :)
[20:27] <shirish> Hi after today's updates is anybody seeing this
[20:27] <shirish> (gecko:7997): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[20:28] <timing> hey what's this evolution-data-server?
[20:28] <timing> it runs 100% cpu on one core all the timg
[20:28] <shirish> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[20:28] <shirish> this is with ff2 as well as seamonkey
[20:28] <flipstar> didnt updated today :P
[20:29] <Assid> err im updating as we speak
[20:31] <shirish> Assid: I have 3 browsers , ff2, seamonkey & ff3b3. Out of this ff2 & seamonkey both support downloading but if I try to download anything, both of them crash
[20:35] <shirish> in fact filed a bug with seamonkey https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/187140
[20:35] <Assid> weird
[20:35] <Assid> am doing the updates yet as we speak
[20:41] <Oli``> I've been getting a lot of "partial upgrade" warnings recently. Something I should be worried about? Or is this just something that happens as things are released for testing?
[20:42] <Assid> dont worry about it
[20:42] <Oli``> I've been using apt-get to upgrade because the partial upgrade manager keeps trying to remove stuff it can't upgrade =\
[20:42] <Assid> just upgrade.. or see if anyone has any issues.. and wait
[20:59] <ConstyXIV> about how much HD space will you need to make the upgrade to hardy?
[21:01] <flipstar> *guessing* few hundreds mb during download then your old ubuntu will be replaced..
[21:01] <Gigamo> any tips for me while upgrading? going to update-manager -d in a few hours
[21:02] <Gigamo> should I quit running apps etc?
[21:02] <timing> well jsut save your stuff, you never know
[21:02] <timing> or do some backups
[21:02] <Gigamo> backups I will
[21:02] <Gigamo> im just afraid of nvidia drivers :P
[21:02] <flipstar> first remember it is an alpha release..
[21:03] <flipstar> dont be suprised when it breaks
[21:03] <Gigamo> that I know ^^
[21:03] <flipstar> then just run update-manager -d
[21:04] <DanaG> Wow, I just noticed: NetworkManager now no longer breaks after suspend, for me.
[21:04] <DanaG> Sweet!
[21:05] <flipstar> dont wonder if your house is burned down or your dog is killed .. but it *should*
[21:05] <flipstar> be working
[21:05] <DanaG> Huh?
[21:05] <DanaG> Well, I mean, NetworkManager always used to break after suspend.
[21:06] <flipstar> just introducing hardy
[21:38] <sarthor> Hi. every thing is ok on my ubuntu, but when i press Alt+ctrl+F1, Means log to real mode, so my every thing looks very larg there? means to say the resolution is not good? how to fix this problem. my laptop hav 14" screen, its dell x-300 latitude
[21:39] <flipstar> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[21:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Unknown,Fix released]
[21:42]  * h3sp4wn_ wonders why anyone would use vesafb when they could use radeonfb (and have an accelerated framebuffer)
[21:43] <flipstar> radeonfb doesnt work ever
[21:43] <flipstar> i tried with nvidiafb .. no sucess
[21:44] <h3sp4wn_> ? Works flawlessly for me when I have used it
[21:44] <h3sp4wn_> nvidiafb won't work if you want to use the non-free nvidia drivers though
[21:45] <flipstar> did you had the same bug ?
[21:45] <h3sp4wn_> Not that I noticed
[21:46] <h3sp4wn_> (Which is not to say that it didn't exist - I am using radeonfb though)
[21:46] <flipstar> ..
[21:47] <DPic> can someone help me install hardy on my ps3 using the alternate cd?
[21:49] <Assid> err i enabled avant-window-navigator
[21:49] <Assid> but how the hell do i use it
[21:49] <Assid> i click on it.. but nothing happens
[21:53] <Assid> anyone?
[21:54] <flipstar> dont have that app ..
[21:54] <Assid> try it
[21:55] <flipstar> dont even got gnome ..
[21:55] <Assid> kde?
[21:56] <flipstar> right :)
[21:56] <flipstar> but it is working anyway
[21:56] <flipstar> for me it is working great
[21:57] <flipstar> click on it and application pops up ..
[21:57] <Assid> i thin te problem is you need compiz
[21:57] <flipstar> i got compiz
[21:58] <flipstar> running really nice
[21:58] <Assid> yeah compiz kept dying for me
[21:58] <Assid> i was thinking of moving to kde
[21:58] <Assid> but gnome runs better with compiz for my ati
[21:59] <Assid> odd huh
[21:59] <flipstar> did you tried ?
[21:59] <flipstar> thats wired
[21:59] <Assid> yeah i used to run kubuntu
[21:59] <Assid> yeah
[22:00] <Assid> but lets see
[22:00] <Assid> m considering moving my desktop machine to linux too
[22:00] <Assid> but too much requirements on windows amt
[22:00] <Assid> atm
[22:00] <flipstar> great idea
[22:00] <flipstar> at least dual boot ..
[22:00] <Assid> yeah tats whats im trying
[22:01] <Assid> but i might just wait for hardy to hit release
[22:01] <flipstar> if you have win installed first its absolutly no problem
[22:01] <Assid> as the desktop is my main machine
[22:02] <Assid> the icon kopete uses in avant sucks.. its not crisp one bit
[22:02] <Assid> these icons should really be updated
[22:03] <Assid> how do you edit the config for avant
[22:03] <RAOF> System->Preferences->Awn manager?
[22:04] <Assid> dont think that installed
[22:04] <RAOF> Well, that would be a problem :)
[22:07] <Assid> sweet
[22:07] <Assid> it seems to be up
[22:08] <Assid> i still manage to kill appearance
[22:08] <Assid> appearance preferances dies
[22:13] <Assid> err
[22:13] <Assid> when i say report for apport.. isnt it supposed to log me into launchpad
[22:14] <Assid> here its not doing that
[22:14] <flipstar> same prob here
[22:14] <Assid> wat part
[22:14] <Assid> the preferances crashing ? or apport not ogoing to launchpad
[22:15] <flipstar> problems at lp itself ..
[22:15] <flipstar> login probs
[22:15] <Assid> weird
[22:16] <Assid> mine doesnt even open the browser to report the problem
[22:17] <flipstar> which browser you using as default ?
[22:17] <Assid> firefox
[22:17] <flipstar> tried to change it ?
[22:17] <flipstar> apport open for me konqueror ..
[22:18] <Assid> it used to work
[22:18] <Assid> how do i change the defaults in gnome
[22:19] <Assid> got it
[22:19] <Assid> preferred application
[22:19] <Assid> firefox in there too
[22:21] <mtaylor> anybody know where I can find gcc-4.3 packages for hardy?
[22:23] <Assid> gnight
[23:11] <flipstar> damn my gpu fan just stopped working oO
[23:14] <flipstar> did this ever happend to someone..? using nvclock_gtk
[23:59] <EmmerP> well, upgrade to hardy went fine :) no probs at all