=== bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon === bigon is now known as bigon` === ajmorris is now known as ajmorris|AFK === bigon` is now known as bigon [01:11] Anyone come across a failure to install over a pre-existing install with the daily builds on x86_64? === ajmorris is now known as ajmorris|AFK === ajmorris|AFK is now known as ajmorris === bmk789 is now known as bmk789_brb [02:33] Anyone had any issues installing with x86_64? [02:44] OOh, another cool thing about PulseAudio: the duplicate thingy has amazingly good synchronization. [02:44] I haven't tried using it to network sinks, but when I've used it on two sound cards, the audio was so in-sync that you get NO echo, and get stuff either in-phase or out-of-phase, depending on physical distance. [02:44] OOh, another cool thing about PulseAudio: the duplicate thingy has amazingly good synchronization. [02:44] I haven't tried using it to network sinks, but when I've used it on two sound cards, the audio was so in-sync that you get NO echo, and get stuff either in-phase or out-of-phase, depending on physical distance. [02:45] (i think my message got lost... Pidgin fails at noticing network disconnection. === jacobmp92 is now known as jacob [02:46] pulse audio [02:52] Will the next Kubuntu Alpha have a KDE4 Branch to test? [02:53] FunnyLookinHat they already do have a KD4 branch [02:53] I just can't find it atm [02:54] zoke, well I saw the kde4 build released the day after KDE4 was released into the wild [02:54] thats it [02:54] But taht was just an initial test live branch I thought.... [02:54] kubuntu-kd4 [02:54] it's going to be like that until hardy+1 [02:54] Ah ok, so that will be updated with the next Alpha release? [02:54] Oh no? [02:55] FunnyLookinHat the releases will be kept up todate [02:55] Awesome, thanks! [02:55] (I'm waiting for the next alpha to test it on m macbook) [02:55] but you won't see it in normal kubuntu until post hardy [02:55] Right. [02:56] * DanaG wonders what brand of laptop actually supports all the cool gnome-power-manager stuff such as ambient light sensors, keyboard lights, and such. [02:57] Macbook Pros probably do... only because the converts expect all of the same hardware support. [02:58] ;) [03:01] One mouse buton == no buy. [03:02] s/buton/button/ [03:02] DanaG, well I just tap with two fingers for a right click... and I actually like it more now : ) [03:02] What about when in Windows? [03:02] Windows? What's that? [03:02] i rightclick [03:02] how do you middle-click? [03:02] Apple has bootcamp software that lets you map a rightclick in windows [03:02] three finger tap [03:02] and it's VERY accurate [03:03] I was really amazed [03:03] Oh, and when I tried Feisty LiveCD on a friend's MacBook, I was appalled to see that the battery DOESN'T REPORT WATTAGE! [03:03] i don't like os x :p [03:03] Here's my touchpad config in Ubuntu: twofingerscroll (horz and vert). [03:03] lol, yeah Gutsy improved a lot of that === bigon is now known as bigon` [03:03] LOL [03:03] It's a BIOS (-emulation) limitation, isn't it> [03:03] ? [03:04] Oh yeah, and I have one-finger tap == nothing; 2-finger == middle, 3-finger == right. [03:04] Can't do that in OS X. [03:04] Hardy is actually my primary OS. [03:04] Not sure to be honest, but my power manager lets me see all aspects of the battery usage (wattage, voltage, etc.) [03:04] Try PowerTop, too. [03:04] I LOVE powertop! [03:05] It's freaking amazing. [03:05] Another thing: for some reason, I just don't like Apple. I'm not sure why -- perhaps it's something about freedom. [03:05] Oh, and the "my way or the highway" attitude. [03:05] Not only did Core2Duo chips win be back over, but powertop made apple the best thing ever in my book [03:05] LOL [03:05] True that. [03:05] I'm in it for the hardware. [03:05] updated liferea, but still the unread advance bug remains:( [03:06] Anybody have Asus notebooks? [03:06] why?1? [03:06] blkorpheus, why at me? [03:06] Oh yeah, one thing I reeeeeeeeeeeeeally want to see in a notebook: audio chip with multiple streaming -- have surround outputs AND a separate front output. [03:06] DanaG, that would be sweeeeeet :-D [03:07] I know Realtek chips can do that, but the OEM has to wire it up correctly. [03:07] FunnyLookinHat, no [03:09] what's powertop [03:10] wastrel, power management software for creating maximum CPU efficiency for best battery life [03:10] it analyzes your CPU cycles and the processes using them and makes recommendations [03:11] how strange [03:11] like "don't play WoW so much" ? [03:11] LOL [03:11] More like, "Disable the USB mass storage interface unless in use" etc. [03:18] Oh yeah, one really nice feature on my Gateway notebook: a toggle-all-LEDs hotkey. [03:19] ? [03:19] like the caps lock and num lock? [03:21] And hard drive, and wireless, and power button, too. [03:22] And the power and battery LEDs on the front. [03:22] What's the point of that? [03:23] SO you can watch a movie in the dark, if you want to, without having distracting LEDs. [03:23] oic [03:23] you turn them off :] [03:23] Wow... that's about as big a deal as having a front audio port (as opposed to 5 inches farther on the side) [03:23] Actually, it's a little touch nobody thinks of, but it turns out to be really nice. [03:24] It also means I can leave the laptop on at night and not have anything (except the ethernet port) lit up. [03:24] I doubt I'd ever use it. but I'm glad you enjoy it : ) [03:29] Hi all, has anybody got the 2.6.24 series kernel. For in my menu I've only 2.6.22-14-generic only. Also doing a uname -r gives me the same. [03:33] 2.6.24-5-generic [03:36] wastrel: how did you get the new one? [03:37] i got a 2.6.24-something when i upgraded from gusty iirc [03:37] then just upgrading got me newer versions. [03:38] this is not good for I'm not getting the newer version or perhaps I've them but they are not in menu.lst, something somewhere is not right. [03:39] Anyone had any issues installing with x86_64? [03:40] Lovely, I just got another one of those nvidia lockups. [03:40] It recovered, but boy is it annoying. [03:40] nvidia lockups you say? [03:40] this box is my first with an nvidia card seems to be problem-free so far [03:42] i get nvidia lockups all the time [03:42] Xid's [03:42] alot more common when using KDE apps [03:43] compiz.real[10915]: segfault at 00000004 eip b5cf69e6 esp bf8cbd50 error 4 [03:43] wastrel: DanaG: I have linux-image-2.6.24-5-generic but in menu.lst only 2.6.22-14-generic appears, any ideas guys how to fix that? [03:43] sudo update-grub ? [03:44] ah yes, [03:44] lemme try that [03:45] i don't use kde apps generally [03:45] * DanaG must go AFK for a while -- homework. [05:09] hi ah got a question with running 64bit ubuntu- do i for an intel 64bit computer grab the amd64 isos or are there intel 64bit isos ? [05:11] 64bit covers it all [05:11] ... really it says amd64 on my isp's repo :) [05:12] well good luck finding a intel one then [05:12] eh [05:12] do i need an intel one ? [05:12] no [05:12] good thought you were serious there for a second [05:12] -couldn't find any info about it [05:12] btw i can upgrade to 64bit ubuntu from 32bit yeah ? [05:13] no [05:13] - like keep the conf files no ? [05:13] theres no real reason to use 64 bit ubuntu [05:13] ... ... hits head [05:13] theres some conf files youll need to get rid of [05:13] yes there is [05:13] it's faster on 64-bit cpus [05:13] hydrogen how about 64bit is really cool and i just found out this box i was given a while ago has it [05:14] *with over 4gb of ram [05:14] 64-bit cpus only really emulate 32bit, so it's better to use a 64-bit os on it [05:14] mmm - even with other things toma you can get some performance [05:14] err [05:14] no [05:14] also [05:14] it is not faster [05:14] yes [05:14] using 64bit [05:14] it is [05:14] than 32bit [05:14] 32bit cpu's are also vulnerable to the y3k glitch [05:15] its a larger pain in ones rear end, unless you happen to a) have > 4gb of ram or b) run lots and lots of high end mathemtical software [05:15] no [05:15] it really isn't [05:15] oh, thats a definate reason to worry about using 64bit software [05:15] no [05:15] MY COMPUTER MIGHT BREAK IN 993 YEARS [05:15] omg [05:15] no [05:15] 20 [05:15] err [05:15] y3k [05:15] is year 3000 [05:15] I know [05:15] thats 993 years away [05:15] y3k is just a nickname [05:15] #ubuntu-offtopic to continue the 64bit VS 32bit war [05:15] mm [05:16] no need to continue it [05:16] exactly. [05:16] dude do you encode stuff ? [05:16] I'd rather stay out of lolcode territory [05:16] im sure dbmood1 has read all about the benefits of 64bit [05:16] err, lolcat [05:16] I was close! [05:16] lets move to the other channel and stop spamming this one [05:17] lol [05:52] wow, it's quiet. [05:53] good isnt it [05:55] could just mean the latest update broke networking :P [05:55] heheh === Dana1 is now known as DanaG [08:58] just wondering, does hard feel faster than gutsy and feisty? [09:08] Argl so many orphaned updates today >_< [09:09] and no restricted-core or manager ='( [09:33] according to launchpad, virtualbox-ose-1.5.4 should be in hardy since the 26th but i still get the broken 1.5.0 release when trying to install it? [09:34] i know silly question but did you do an apt-get update? [09:35] for me Version: 1.5.4-dfsg-4ubuntu1 is availible [09:37] flipstar: twice daily [09:38] what repo are you using? [09:39] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53945/ [09:39] i'm using the swiss mirror but i'll be damned if thats the reason [09:40] if i fetch the packages from launchpad i can build module and install it [09:40] which is um weird [09:41] looks like the modules are not propery built which leads to weird errors in aptitude [09:41] im using the main mirror due md5 issues.. [09:43] flipstar: did you just search for the package or try to install it? [09:43] nope [09:43] didnt installed [09:44] it seems like it erronously depends on 2.6.22 still [09:44] just used apt-cache show [09:44] what why did you keep that 'old' kernel ? [09:44] i did not [09:45] the deb seems broken [09:45] when i manually do build the kernel module and then try to install virtualbox-ose it works [09:45] i'll try to install.. [09:46] right i get the error message brocken packege.. [09:46] looks like the modules are not provided [09:46] but they are easily built from virtualbox-ose-source [09:47] well thanks anyway [09:49] now i can go try kde on windows :P [09:49] nice [09:55] HELLO? [09:56] I have a question for you [09:56] C'mon, somebody answer [09:56] 140 people. can't all be asleep. [09:56] !ask [09:56] Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) [09:56] flipstar. hook me up. i got a question [09:57] yeah, but why would i ask a question to a dead room? [09:57] what would that do for me besides kill time, which i, nor anyone, has? [09:58] how do i manually install updates? [09:58] flipstar, do you know? [09:58] from the command line? [09:59] say I want to install all updates.....all of them. is there a single command? [09:59] nice. i'm glad i asked the questions. thanks flipstar [10:00] !don't ask if it's late and no one is there [10:00] It's never late on the internets. [10:00] hm is you sure you grown enough for hardy ? [10:00] no, i'm not [10:00] try man apt-get [10:06] flipstar. thanks bro [10:14] heya [10:14] how goes it [10:25] Returning to mpd, I'm slightly confused seeing it only indexes mp3 files (of which I have about ten). [10:26] It seems to ignore my .ogg files. Does anybody know what I might be overlooking? [10:27] *blush* Permissions problem, sorry for the noise. :/ === bigon` is now known as bigon [12:28] where can i find alpha 4 ? [12:29] in ~48h everywhere [12:29] see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule [13:24] When I open "users and groups" adn click "unlick" I get "could not authenticate" "an unexpected error has occured"; running from a terminal users-admin, when I click Unlock, beside that message, in the terminal I get: "** (users-admin:5873): CRITICAL **: The name org.gnome.PolicyKit was not provided by any .service files"; when I run sudo users-admin, before it loads, in the terminal: "** (users-admin:5771): CRITICAL **: Unable to lookup session informa [13:25] em, Unlock* [13:30] i asked in #ubuntu but got no help. [13:31] installed the cUDA drivers from nvidia and screwed up the nice drivers installed by ubuntu [13:31] how can I fix it back? [13:31] tryed doing dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver [13:31] and nvidia-glx-new [13:31] anything else i can try? [13:32] envy [13:33] ^^ [13:33] ... [13:33] !envy [13:33] envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver » [13:33] cant you use envy to remove the drivers completely though? [13:34] I think Envy just updates the drivers. [13:34] when I messed my system earlier I could run envy in textual interface and clean my nvidia driver [13:34] dunno if that works in hardy [13:34] i have a hunch that the CUDA stuff left me some files [13:34] lemme try [13:34] I rebooted, same thing [13:35] i don't have envy [13:35] what package do i need to get? [13:36] albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html [13:40] fingers crossed :D [13:44] long live envy [13:44] ....and the spagetti :D [13:45] :) [13:51] Has anybody else noticed the current xorg hogging a lot of RAM? [13:52] nothing unusual here.. [13:53] mine's using 170megs (according to the system monitor). I don't think it used to get anywhere near that high === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon [14:33] Hi all, does anyone know how to disable the update manager in xubuntu hardy? [14:36] nm i remembered, software sources -> updates if anyone else has a brainfart [14:36] lovely word [14:36] brainfart [14:36] :P === amblin_ is now known as amblin === JSharp_ is now known as JSharp [15:32] so what's really new in Hardy in an end-user perspective? Firefox 3 and Xorg 7.3? [15:32] Does compiz-fusion still work with X7.3? [15:33] EmmerP, its more solid, mere polish and runs a little better and has new stuff [15:33] EmmerP, hardy is a LTS so its more about making it rock solid then features [15:33] ok, I was already impressed by gutsy, thinking that was lts too [15:34] EmmerP, nope [15:34] EmmerP, only other LTS is 6.06 [15:35] Think I'll give it a shot then...although its Alpha 3:) [15:35] i thought it was 4 now [15:36] could be [15:36] 4 will come in few days [15:36] EmmerP, i would wait to alpha4 out the 31. [15:37] EmmerP, aplha3 really sucks, way to shitty kernel :D [15:37] alpha* [15:37] what exactly is shitty about it? [15:37] everything for me atm with alpha3 [15:37] heh [15:37] +fine [15:37] e [15:38] installed when it was alpha1 and upgrading since then [15:39] So everything's fine for you you mean [15:39] i'am onboard since alpha 3 [15:40] EmmerP, its unstable and aint working properly [15:40] there was problems with some HAL packages for me [15:41] lost my connection and couldn't upgrade anymore [15:41] bardyr: ... you're aware of the concept of an Aplha release, yes? [15:41] for me there was - unitill now - nothing i couldn't deal with :P [15:41] or an alpha release (evidently my fingers are not aware of the concept of spelling) [15:41] ccooke, yea been on hardy since the repos opened ;) [15:41] flipstar, excactly [15:42] flipstar: what happened now? [15:42] ccooke, but i still dont recommend ubuntu hardy alpha 3 [15:42] no i mean it isn't stable yet.. [15:43] so who knows what happens tomorrow [15:43] bardyr: well, no. Nobody *should* be recommending it. Unless the people you're talking to are experienced testers who won't be surprised or worried when it breaks :-) [15:44] i just switched to the hardy kernel, what is the "extra timer interrupt" shown in powertop? [16:05] hello [16:06] i installed and configures postfix to be abel to send mail [16:06] now can i receive mail as well ? [16:07] try write yourself a mail :) [16:07] by the way bardyr, you sound a bit contradictive about Hardy: on the one hand you say 'its stable, polished, etc' and at the same time 'its unstable and not working properly' [16:07] well i dont knwo which is my local mail [16:07] try username@host [16:07] yes it is an development release [16:07] EmmerP, its goals are stable, polished, etc [16:07] it is going to be stable [16:07] I'm familiar with dev releases [16:08] using gentoo, beryl, ati drivers, etc in its newest forms [16:08] and ubuntu for about a year now [16:08] my local maio,s eems to be nik@dell [16:08] and currently i have not any major problems with it, but alpha3 was had a really buggy kernel [16:08] can i sent mail from my gmail accoutn to nik@dell ? [16:08] will it come? [16:09] no [16:09] then how cna i be sure i will be receiving mails? [16:09] i mean always from comamnd line [16:11] and when is ent mails they look like nik@gmail.com [16:11] but my gmail account its not nik its nikos1337 [16:11] so even if i sent mails they are not sent as for me [16:12] plz help [16:12] I think you need to explain yourself a little bit more [16:12] what are you trying to do using which programs [16:12] Are there nautilus updates in the repos that have ben there for several days that are still being held back? I have several in update manager and am wondering if it's the repos holding them or my install mesed up? [16:12] and which config [16:13] what i want to do is to be able to send and recive mails form cli [16:13] using mutt and postfix [16:14] Hmm, if you try doing updates with Aptitude (run with no parameters), it should give more info on why things are being held back. [16:14] WorkingOnWise: they might be released soon .. you can manually do it with update-manager -d [16:15] all i did is configure postfix to let me use my isp's mail server [16:15] Hash Sum mismatch on mirrors.kernel.org. Odd. [16:15] and i can sent mails but they look like nik@gmail.com [16:15] DanaG: you might try another server.. [16:16] flipstar: why are they being held? [16:16] EmmerP, ? [16:16] I use both mirrors.kernel.org and us.archive.ubuntu.com. [16:16] Mine doesn't show held, but it doesn't show changelogs for those packages. [16:17] I try not install things without reading changelogs. [16:17] WorkingOnWise, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [16:17] However, some things (such as gcc) seem to never SHOW any changelogs. [16:17] DanaG: you can change from local to main server in adept_manager [16:17] Try just plain 'sudo aptitude'. [16:17] I use both servers at once, with the faster one listed first to take priority in sources.list. [16:17] WorkingOnWise: no idea..maybe depencies issues maybe nothing [16:18] maybe you can test to exchange both.. [16:18] will someone going to help me/> [16:18] Nik0la0s: mails sent from your mutt+postfix setup have as sender nik@gmail.com? then that address must be somewhere in the config [16:19] .muttrc or /etc/postfix.conf or something [16:19] does anyone know what the status of gvfs' ftp backend is in Hardy? [16:19] not very familiar with it === x-spec-t is now known as Spec [16:19] Well, it's working fine -- it's just fallen back to the secondary mirror. [16:19] It just must mean that the first one is currently syncing, or something. [16:19] EmmerP, yes its /etc/postfix/main.cf [16:19] Anyway, gotta' go. [16:20] i agve as myhostname = gmail.com [16:20] whats your username, nik? [16:20] ah that makes sense [16:20] why gmail.com [16:20] your hostname should be the hostname of your server [16:20] well i wanted to look like iam sendign mails from my gmail account [16:21] ok my isp is forthnet.gr [16:21] aha [16:21] so myhostname = forthnet.gr right? [16:21] but my username is nkouras in forthnet [16:21] not nik [16:21] nik is my username in linux [16:21] how can i amke it look like iam nkouras@ath.forthnet.gr? [16:22] isn't there a 'from' address in postfix config? [16:22] flipstar: bardyr: I did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and it comes up with 1 package. update-manager -d comes up with none. Since Thursday the same nautilus updates have been in the repos. I can wait till their ready if thats the case, I just want to be sure their not held back because of something on my system, and if it is my system, to figure out what is wrong. [16:22] EmmerP, no there isnt [16:22] what's forthnet [16:22] my isp [16:23] WorkingOnWise, go to the software source manager and add all repos and check recommended, etc updates [16:23] so now you don't want to be the sender your gmail address? [16:23] a yes [16:23] okey lest say' [16:23] i want to look like nikos1337@gmail.com [16:23] lets forget forthnet [16:23] lest say i want to use my gmail account [16:24] 1st is to myhostname = gmail.com [16:24] correct? [16:24] no [16:24] as relay i uses this relayhost = mail.forthnet.gr:25 [16:24] because my isp allows relay [16:25] although i guess i had to use smtp.gmail.com:557 [16:25] bardyr: did that as soon as the reboot from install. Only thing not on is the cd and the Unsuppoeted (backports) [16:25] Nik0la0s, forward your gmail mail to your box or fetch it with IMAP/POP3 [16:25] bardyr, how? [16:25] Nik0la0s, then get your client to send/fetch it from gmail with pop3/imap [16:25] one thing at a time [16:26] 1st i wan tto just be able to sent mails [16:26] Nik0la0s, google knows or man your_mail_app [16:26] i cna send mails but appear as nik@gmail.com [16:26] while my accoutn is nikos137@gmail.com [16:26] EmmerP, ? [16:26] mutt has a 'from address' option as config [16:26] the from address has to be in mutt or postfix [16:26] ? [16:27] bardyr: are u fully updated atm? [16:27] yea [16:27] if you are using mutt to send mails it should be mutt [16:27] check this: [16:27] http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttFaq/Header [16:27] i upgraded to hardy's tickless kernel and my power consumption went from about 15W to 17-18, what gives? [16:29]