[00:20] <cody-somerville> http://www.mudconnect.com/discuss/discuss.cgi?mode=MSG2&area=promotions&page=1&m
[00:20] <cody-somerville> essage=18937#19071
[00:20] <cody-somerville> mischan
[00:38] <y_lee> How do i report a broken link on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[00:41] <seisen> whats the link?
[00:41] <y_lee> on this page
[00:41] <y_lee> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Spca5xx#head-032065f8a5fb6a485a7985ddb3a40262a0629fe5
[00:41] <y_lee> Even if you're running a version of Ubuntu that includes spca5xx out of the box, you still might not have it and need to install the driver. In that case, the easiest way is to enable the universe repository then follow these [WWW] installation instructions.
[00:41] <y_lee> the link is installation instructions
[00:42] <y_lee> I've never been able to get my web cam to work and came across this page before
[00:44] <seisen> are you talking about this link: http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html
[00:45] <y_lee> http://scottabbey.org/node/12
[00:45] <y_lee> found in the troubleshooting section
[00:46] <y_lee> page on Spca5xx
[00:48] <y_lee> I've also never been able to get gspcav1-20071224.tar.gz to compile but that is a separate issue, lol
[00:55] <seisen> I tried to find another link for it but I cant find anything but I will mark it as needing cleaned up
[00:56] <y_lee> thanks i just wanted to report it, first time i really used this program too
[03:32] <j1mc> hi all
[03:33] <sommer> hello
[03:34] <j1mc> hi sommer.  i work on xubuntu docs... we currently have the server guide included as part of our docs, but it was just leftover from the gutsy release.  what would you (or others) think about merging over all of the server-related changes into our hardy docs?
[03:34] <j1mc> any thoughts?
[03:35] <sommer> I think thats usually done before the freeze
[03:35] <sommer> I'm not 100% sure of the process though
[03:35] <j1mc> yeah... we don't use yelp, tho... we'd have to modify the yelp-specific links.
[03:36] <j1mc> i if we can manage that, i think it'd be a good idea, though.
[03:36] <sommer> sure, I don't think there are too many in the Server Guide, maybe 2-5
[03:36] <j1mc> ah, ok.
[03:36] <sommer> I'd guess you'd just do a bzr merge between the two?
[03:37] <j1mc> i'm not sure... we'd have to bzr merge specific folders.
[03:37] <j1mc> bc the server guide is just part of the ubuntu-hardy branch.
[03:38] <sommer> mdke: is probably more knowledgeable that I am about the merge process between the different repos
[03:39] <sommer> I'd think you can just merge the generic/server/C folder
[03:39] <j1mc> cool.  thanks, sommer
[03:39] <j1mc> what is your name on the mailing list?
[03:39] <sommer> asommer70 at gmail.com
[03:40] <sommer> Adam Sommer is my full name, if that's what you were looking for :-)
[03:41] <j1mc> cool... i've seen your posts ... i think you close with a funny saying.  :)
[03:42] <sommer> heh... Waynes World is the greatest!!!
[03:45] <j1mc> i used to live in aurora, IL.  home of wayne's world.
[03:46] <sommer> sweet, that's awesome
[03:46] <sommer> we need coffee and krulers stat!
[03:55] <j1mc> sorry, phone... i haven't seen that movie in a long time, but it's fun.
[03:56] <j1mc> i'm jim campbell on the ML, btw.  i don't post that often... just mostly stuff about xubuntu.
[03:56] <j1mc> i follow the threads, though.
[03:57] <sommer> cool, have any opinions on the tag styling thread?
[03:57] <sommer> as in where to use <command>, <userinput>, <programlisting>, <computeroutput>
[03:58] <sommer> they may be unique to the Server Guide or cli sections, now that I think about it
[04:00] <j1mc> i probably won't have any opinions on it (i'm still somewhat of a docbook noob, but i'm passable for what i do, i suppose), but i'll have a look.
[04:00] <j1mc> :)
[04:00] <sommer> cool, thanks man
[04:05] <j1mc> hi adam - yeah, sorry, couldn't tell you one way or the other on that one.
[04:05] <sommer> that's cool thanks for taking a look
[04:05] <j1mc> hopefully phil or matthew or someone else will be able to lend their thoughts.  seems like you're trying to get things right, though.
[04:05] <sommer> me and Gilbert just weren't sure on wich direction is best
[04:05] <j1mc> nitpicky isn't bad when it comes to getting docs right, i don't think.
[04:06] <sommer> ya, the kind of weird thing is they produce pretty much the same output
[04:07] <sommer> which just helps make things more unclear ;-)
[04:07] <j1mc> heh
[04:16] <Kr0ntab> heya guys...
[04:16] <j1mc> hi Kr0ntab
[04:16] <Kr0ntab> hows it goin j1mc...
[04:17] <Kr0ntab> I was just readin the conversation... I'm Gilbert Mendoza, btw... :-)
[04:17] <Kr0ntab> I just submitted one more patch, and think we're on the right path, now.
[04:18] <Kr0ntab> so no sweat, Adam.
[04:18] <Kr0ntab> :-)
[04:19] <sommer> Kr0ntab: whats up... just committed your latest patch, great stuff
[04:19] <Kr0ntab> hehe... woot...
[04:20] <sommer> ah crap, didn't reply to all though, apologies for the dups
[04:20] <j1mc> cool, Kr0ntab ... thanks for your work.
[04:20] <Kr0ntab> man o man... :-P  Figured we'd get it one of these days.  I'm pretty glad to have gone through a lot of that, because it cleared a whole lot of concepts for me, and I'm sure others will appreciate the input.
[04:20] <Kr0ntab> ah no prob at all.
[04:21] <Kr0ntab> just happy to be able to contribute where needed.
[04:21] <j1mc> :)
[04:21] <sommer> ya, I just hope you don't feel I was getting down on you or anything... I don't think those tags have really been discussed before
[04:21] <bhuvan> hi sommer, Kr0ntab
[04:22] <sommer> bhuvan: hows it going
[04:22] <bhuvan> awesome work in last few weeks, keep it up!
[04:22] <bhuvan> going good sommer
[04:22] <Kr0ntab> oh no no, I don't take things like that personal.  There's a right way to do things, and it's much better to set the right example.
[04:23] <Kr0ntab> heya bhuvan ... thanks man.
[04:23] <sommer> Kr0ntab: cool
[04:25] <bhuvan> sommer: fyi, i think the tags were chosen based on how it was in rest of documents. initially, it used to be consistent with other documents
[04:27] <bhuvan> just keep in mind that the server guide layout is in line with other documents; if you are convinced to change the layout, thats ok; just keep other document owners (ex: desktop guide) informed thus, theh would make similar change in that document (if it is necessary)
[04:27] <sommer> gotch, that makes sense
[04:28] <sommer> sure, I'm not sure about changing the layout, is the question more clarifying which tags to use
[04:28] <sommer> but then that sort of does change the layout... mmmm
[04:30] <sommer> I guess I'm really not too familiar with the rest of the guide... been concentrating on the Server section pretty exclusively
[04:30] <sommer> I'll read through the other sections
[04:32] <Kr0ntab> Yeah I was thinking it would be a good idea to go through some of the other docs and make sure the tags used are all consistent.
[04:35] <sommer> Kr0ntab: do you have hardware that supports KVM virtualization?
[04:36] <Kr0ntab> yeah, I do...
[04:36] <sommer> I've been trying to work on a virtualization section, but none of my hardware supports it
[04:37] <Kr0ntab> ah.. yeah.  For the server guide?
[04:37] <sommer> coooool... have you seen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmVirtManagerEtc
[04:37] <sommer> yep, it came up in one of the last Server Team meetings
[04:38] <sommer> I can do a section on qemu, but I don't think the new virt-manager stuff works with it from the cli
[04:38] <sommer> wondering if you'd be up for working on a KVM section?
[04:38] <Kr0ntab> I've been reading a lot on KVM... and am interested in working on it.  I would just have to familiarize myself with it beforehand.  time frame?
[04:39] <sommer> heh... Feb 14th I guess
[04:39] <Kr0ntab> hehe... why'd I guess you were going to say that.
[04:39] <sommer> though we can always apply for an extension ahead of time
[04:40] <sommer> I'm not even sure development will be 100% done by then, so adjustments may have to be made anyway
[04:40] <Kr0ntab> hmm... I have some spare HP DL360/380 servers that I can do something with...
[04:41] <sommer> cool, I'm looking at getting a new box around April, but hardy will be out by then :)
[04:42] <Kr0ntab> You're just looking for a machine with appropriate chip extensions that KVM supports, right?  Will you need access to it to write up your part?
[04:43] <sommer> heh, I was wondering if you'd be up for writing it?
[04:43] <sommer> but I guess if you're willing to...
[04:43] <sommer> I'm really not too familiar with kvm, xen, etc myself... moslty just used qemu
[04:44] <sommer> someone else on the server team may be willing to write most of it in the wiki, which we can then "translate" to docbook as well
[04:45] <sommer> I was just wondering, since your security updates have been so good ;-)
[04:45] <Kr0ntab> oh ok, no sweat.  let me see what resources I have, do some reading, and let you know by tomorrow..
[04:45] <sommer> sure, no rush
[04:46] <Kr0ntab> sweet.  well thanks for that, btw.  It would be pretty cool.
[04:46] <sommer> soren in #ubuntu-server is the one working on the virt-manager integration if you have any questions
[04:47] <Kr0ntab> yeah, I'll make sure to consult if need be.
[04:47] <sommer> cool, I think I'm off to bed... have a good one all
[04:48] <Kr0ntab> are all the prelim packages in the repos?  or do I need to get them from PPA's?
[04:48] <j1mc> is february 14th string freeze?
[04:48] <Kr0ntab> or is that a soren question... hehe
[04:48] <sommer> they're in the repos, you'll need to load a hardy alpha release though
[04:49] <Kr0ntab> yeah, thats no sweat...
[04:49] <Kr0ntab> brb...
[04:49] <sommer> j1mc: that was proposed, by matt east, I'm not 100% sure that it's concrete though
[04:49] <j1mc> oh, ok.
[04:50] <j1mc> that would be when we'd do a test build of the docs, and then just work out bugs... ??  iirc...
[04:50] <sommer> feb 14th is proposed to be a major content freeze to allow more time to qa
[04:50] <sommer> j1mc: yep, that's my understanding
[04:50] <j1mc> cool.  thanks.
[04:51] <j1mc> g'nite all.  nice chatting w/ all of you.  keep up the good work.  :)
[04:51] <sommer> j1mc: later, thanks man
[04:56] <Kr0ntab> back..
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