| CIA-23 | console-setup: cjwatson * r47 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog config.proto): * Set default for Dutch to us(intl), not just us (LP: #129982). | 00:09 |
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| CIA-23 | console-setup: cjwatson * r48 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.21ubuntu2 | 00:13 |
| CIA-23 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r872 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20070308ubuntu27 | 00:21 |
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| ganesh | how to upldate the grub when the filesystem copied from live cd | 08:42 |
| superm1 | evand, Kano threw this together earlier tonight: http://kanotix.com/files/thorhammer/updates/casper/casper-aufs.patch . You may consider adding it to casper, there should be an upcoming patch to the kernel for aufs support (which is where its headed) | 09:24 |
| * mpt wishes there was some way of telling the installer "Show only those keyboard layouts for which Shift+3 gives me a # symbol not a £ symbol dammit" :-) | 09:34 | |
| superm1 | hehe | 09:35 |
| cjwatson | casper patch looks sane at first glance | 09:47 |
| superm1 | at very worst it shouldn't break anything, but it won't be testable until aufs gets in lum | 09:48 |
| mpt | cjwatson, evand wrote that "Colin is taking care of" presenting the list of languages in isolinux before showing the main menu. Is that right? | 10:01 |
| mpt | And if so, is that tracked in a bug report? (I don't see one) | 10:02 |
| CIA-23 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2421 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): * Run fontconfig-voodoo with --force. | 10:03 |
| CIA-23 | oem-config: cjwatson * r407 oem-config/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 10:11 |
| CIA-23 | oem-config: * Call 'fontconfig-voodoo --auto --force --quiet' on startup and when the | 10:11 |
| CIA-23 | oem-config: language is changed. May help with LP #185269. | 10:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 185269 in oem-config "Incorrect Chinese Characters in Firstboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185269 | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | mpt: yes; it's tracked in the HardyBootloaderReview spec | 10:12 |
| cjwatson | haven't actually started on it yet though | 10:13 |
| CIA-23 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2422 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/language.py): | 10:13 |
| CIA-23 | ubiquity: * Call 'fontconfig-voodoo --auto --force --quiet' when the language is | 10:13 |
| CIA-23 | ubiquity: changed. May help with LP #185269. | 10:13 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 185269 in oem-config "Incorrect Chinese Characters in Firstboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185269 | 10:13 |
| cjwatson | mpt: why? | 10:16 |
| mpt | cjwatson, I'm following up on Thorsten Wilms' review, linking to the relevant bugs/blueprints | 10:21 |
| xivulon | I have also experienced bug #186711 when testing wubi yesterday | 11:50 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 186711 in partman-target "The installer needs to remove operating system files from the install target, but was unable to do so. The install cannot continue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186711 | 11:50 |
| xivulon | it worked well in VM but for some reason did not work on real hardware | 11:51 |
| xivulon | was late and did not have time to debug properly, will resume tonight | 11:52 |
| mpt | I experienced that bug this morning :-) | 12:05 |
| * xivulon glad it's not me breaking stuff | 12:07 | |
| xivulon | that means that the wubi frontend might be okish for initial testing (once update-grub/umountfs patches hit the new builds) | 12:09 |
| cjwatson | I'm going to milestone that for alpha-4, since it seems to be biting a lot of people | 12:20 |
| CIA-23 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2423 ubiquity/debian/changelog: usability -> accessibility | 12:21 |
| xivulon | talking of accessibility, mpt, any progress there? | 12:45 |
| mpt | xivulon, not in the next three weeks sorry. I'll be busy with music-in-Ubuntu + photos-in-Ubuntu + Launchpad this week, and on holiday the two weeks after that. | 12:59 |
| xivulon | sure, note that I just discovered that the Ease of Access thingy is Vista only... So detecting windows accessibility settings might not be trivial | 13:07 |
| xivulon | cjwatson, evand, did you do any testing with layoutcode preseeding by any chance, I forgot to test that myself? | 13:10 |
| xivulon | also there is a minor glitch in ubiquity automatic, whereby at startup a large window is displayed for 1 sec or so, which then vanishes and the progress dialog gets displayed | 13:16 |
| evand | I would advise against trying to automagically detect the Windows a11y settings. I spoke with TheMuso about this and he said that most a11y tools do not record their presence or purpose in a common location. I think asking the user to select from a list of options is perfectly reasonable. | 14:01 |
| evand | I'm also aware of that brief display of the main window. I thought I had fixed it a while back, but I'll take care of it. | 14:08 |
| * evand goes to unbreak the world. | 14:08 | |
| saispo | it maybe a silly question, but for build an amd64 cd i just do "ARCH=amd64 DIST=gutsy project cron.daily" ? | 14:18 |
| xivulon | evand I should have fixed the preseed recipes, you can have a go with the new build | 14:22 |
| xivulon | if it's good enough it might go into alpha4 | 14:22 |
| xivulon | cdboot is still supported as a flag, (wubi --cdboot) | 14:23 |
| xivulon | forgot to add confirmation dialog in that case | 14:23 |
| cjwatson | saispo: 'ARCHES=amd64 DIST=gutsy for-project ubuntu cron.daily' I'd've thought | 14:24 |
| saispo | ok, thanks :) | 14:24 |
| xivulon | evand, mpt, re accessibility, there isn't much interaction in the windows frontend itself other than insterting the password and pressing install | 14:38 |
| xivulon | particularly considering than any windows accessibility tool would probably be active at the time | 14:38 |
| xivulon | if the user has to activate accessibility within wubi, he might just as well do it after ubuntu installation | 14:39 |
| xivulon | while by autodetecting existing settings/apps, we might avoid this last step, hence it might be worth giving it a go | 14:40 |
| evand | The scenario I have in my head is that a blind user starts Wubi, their existing Windows screen reader reads the a11y options to them, they select "Blindness" and press install. Wubi adds access=v3 to the kernel command line, capser picks that up, does the necessary magic and orca is launched along with ubiquity and added to their session post-install. | 14:44 |
| evand | let me know if that got cut off. Speaking of which, anyone know offhand if there's a way to tell irssi to split long messages? | 14:45 |
| xivulon | got it al | 14:45 |
| evand | All of the infrastructure is there, wubi just needs a drop down box with the a11y options and the backend code to take the selected option and stick it on the kernel command line | 14:45 |
| xivulon | last is the easy part, as for the list is mostly a matter of making it accessible in itself | 14:46 |
| evand | that was my point, we can expect that the user has already taken care of this by installing a screen reader in windows | 14:47 |
| xivulon | I'd prefer to detect the screen reader itself, if not I might have a button "accessiblity" that diplays a new form with checkboxes | 14:47 |
| evand | as I said above, I don't think it's possible to detect the screen reader | 14:47 |
| xivulon | Then I will add "accessibility" where you normally have the back button | 14:49 |
| xivulon | 1 page with V1, v2, v3, m1, m2 checkboxes (and proper localized labels) | 14:49 |
| evand | whatever UI you decide on is fine with me. If you want to stay consistent with Windows, I believe the log in screen has an accessibility button (at least in Vista it does) that you could use as an example. | 14:50 |
| evand | I don't think the codes have any significance to users, you probably just want the localized labels. | 14:51 |
| xivulon | absolutely | 14:51 |
| evand | ah, indeed | 14:51 |
| xivulon | mpt, if you agree on the above I will add a comment on bug #185954 | 14:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 185954 in wubi "Detect accessibility settings" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185954 | 14:52 |
| mpt | xivulon, I think this is out of my league actually | 14:53 |
| mpt | I have access to a Vista VM, but it's not activated a.t.m. | 14:54 |
| xivulon | evand the accessibility options are mutually exclusive or not? particularly within the same category. | 14:58 |
| evand | yes they are | 14:59 |
| xivulon | what happens if I boot with v1 v3 m1 m2? | 14:59 |
| evand | it just takes whatever is first | 14:59 |
| xivulon | v1 in the above case | 15:00 |
| xivulon | not v1 m1 | 15:00 |
| evand | actually, I may be wrong here | 15:00 |
| xivulon | it should be highest option in each group: v3 m2 | 15:02 |
| evand | it looks like they can be used together, but talk to TheMuso on #ubuntu-devel, he'll know for sure what the intended outcome is. | 15:02 |
| evand | casper definitely accepts any combination of them. | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | OTOH gfxboot-theme-ubuntu will only let you pick one | 15:03 |
| evand | oh, right. hrm. | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | so unclear what the intent is; I agree, talk to Luke | 15:04 |
| evand | xivulon: you may have some difficulty in reaching him at the moment as he's in Australia. Sorry, I should've said that earlier. | 15:05 |
| xivulon | ah | 15:05 |
| evand | his email address is listed on his LP page though: https://launchpad.net/~themuso | 15:05 |
| xivulon | changed 185954 description | 15:06 |
| xivulon | I think that the options should be in separate radio groups, 1 per category. | 15:07 |
| xivulon | And that it should be possible to boot with more than one profile at once, particularly for separate categories | 15:07 |
| xivulon | If that is not the case, it should be fixed | 15:07 |
| xivulon | evand, do you think it is reasonable to have wubi full in alpha 4? | 15:44 |
| evand | quite hard to say at the moment, I don't know when the seeds are going to reopen, or if the latest grub really fixes things (I'm going to be looking at that today). I'll keep you posted though. | 15:51 |
| xivulon | as mentioned I think that the frontend is ok | 15:53 |
| xivulon | pending changes should be independent of the frontend at this point | 15:53 |
| evand | indeed, I tried your new version and it fixed the issues for me. | 15:54 |
| cjwatson | seeds are open | 15:54 |
| cjwatson | archive is soft-frozen | 15:54 |
| * xivulon likes the sound of that | 15:54 | |
| cjwatson | (but important reasonable things can still go in) | 15:54 |
| xivulon | like wubi :=) | 15:55 |
| evand | ah, fantastic | 15:56 |
| xivulon | not sure what winfoss status is anymore, but the call for cdboot is now "wubi --cdboot" | 15:56 |
| evand | did heno ever get back to you? | 15:56 |
| xivulon | nope | 15:56 |
| evand | odd | 15:57 |
| evand | ah, thanks for fixing the system-config-printer breakage, cjwatson. | 15:58 |
| cjwatson | yeah, was playing with virt-manager and ran right into it | 15:58 |
| xivulon | evand the last patch in 151579 is in correct? | 16:00 |
| evand | xivulon: not yet, I'd like to rearrange it so it's no more verbose than it was prior to the patch, I just haven't had a chance yet. | 16:02 |
| xivulon | evand, that is a hard requirement since without that you have an fs freeze at each reboot | 16:03 |
| xivulon | cjwatson you may also want to review the prosed patch | 16:04 |
| xivulon | it's an hybrid of what we discussed in the past | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | I'm happy for evand to review it | 16:04 |
| xivulon | If it can help the patch skips all the mountpoints in the top section of /proc/mounts (like before) | 16:05 |
| xivulon | On top of it, for the mountpoints in the bottom half, that have a device which is also in top half, it removes the -f flag when umounting | 16:05 |
| xivulon | since umount -f mountpoint ~ umount device (at least for bindmounts) | 16:06 |
| xivulon | that is an issue for wubi since /boot is bindmounted and the device is the same as /host | 16:07 |
| evand | speaking of bind mounts, I noticed that update-initramfs doesn't seem to play nice with a bind mounted /boot. It's on my list of things to look at. | 16:07 |
| xivulon | ah I think I know that | 16:08 |
| xivulon | if you replace the initrd it works, if you update it, it does not | 16:09 |
| xivulon | update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) should work for instance | 16:09 |
| xivulon | do not know why the update fails though | 16:09 |
| evand | it thinks /boot is mounted ro from the warning that I got | 16:09 |
| xivulon | nope | 16:10 |
| xivulon | that's the error message but it must be bogus | 16:10 |
| xivulon | since boot is rw (try to write to it) and since if you replace the initrd it works ok | 16:10 |
| xivulon | -c flag | 16:11 |
| xivulon | try: update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r) | 16:12 |
| xivulon | is there a bug for it already? | 16:12 |
| xivulon | I noticed some time ago' and forgot to file a report | 16:14 |
| evand | I haven't filed a bug report, no. | 16:16 |
| xivulon | I can do that | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | I wonder if the ro_boot_check function is broken then | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | boot_opts=$(awk '/boot/{if (match($4, /ro/) && $2 == "/boot") | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | print "ro"}' /proc/mounts) | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | if [ -n "${boot_opts}" ]; then | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | that's the logic | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | /ro/ doesn't happen to match something else in the mount options, does it? | 16:17 |
| * cjwatson hates dodgy checks like that ... | 16:17 | |
| cjwatson | could match errors=remount-ro for instances | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | s/s$// | 16:18 |
| xivulon | don't recall what is in there normally, it might well be the case. the only thing I noticed is that update-initramfs -c works, while update-initramfs -u does not | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | right, I'm just trying to analyse :) | 16:21 |
| xivulon | I mean I do not have a loopinstallation at hand to have a look at | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | if that fires, you get a message "WARNING: /boot is ro mounted." | 16:21 |
| xivulon | seems very plausible, I'd say that if the same check is not there for -c then I'd put my money on it. | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | that's correct | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | it's only called in the update path | 16:23 |
| xivulon | then 1 bug less | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | not until it's fixed ;-) | 16:23 |
| xivulon | That said, the check should be in -c also though | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | maybe; I do wonder why it causes update-initramfs to exit 0 rather than 1, so in its current form adding it to -c might cause errors to go unnoticed | 16:26 |
| xivulon | I do not see why -u should fail silently anyway, if that is required the calling app should trap the error | 16:32 |
| evand | ah, so my logic in clear_partitions completely fails to account for the fact that you cannot remove a directory that's a mountpoint. | 16:41 |
| bdmurray | When did ubiquity start warning about reserved usernames? Those types of bugs should be "Fix Released" right? | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | ah | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: somewhere between dapper and edgy | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | ubiquity 1.1.28 | 16:52 |
| bdmurray | Reading the bug report closer - does debian-installer also warn? | 16:53 |
| evand | yes, it's done by user-setup, the underlying d-i component. | 16:55 |
| cjwatson | there was a separate bug on user-setup | 16:57 |
| CIA-23 | apt-setup: cjwatson * r118 apt-setup/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 17:02 |
| CIA-23 | apt-setup: * Add apt-setup/proposed question (never asked); if preseeded to true, | 17:02 |
| CIA-23 | apt-setup: -proposed entries will be added to sources.list (LP: #181776). | 17:02 |
| CIA-23 | net-retriever: cjwatson * r340 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog net-retriever): * Fetch installer components from -proposed if apt-setup/proposed is true. | 17:03 |
| CIA-23 | base-installer: cjwatson * r321 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog library.sh): | 17:06 |
| CIA-23 | base-installer: * If apt-setup/proposed is true, set up the default sources.list to look | 17:06 |
| CIA-23 | base-installer: in -proposed as well (LP: #181776). | 17:06 |
| CIA-23 | net-retriever: cjwatson * r341 ubuntu/debian/changelog: last commit closes LP: #181776 | 17:06 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: the bug report says "XUbuntu 6.10-lts" so who knows what he actually meant :-) I suspect 6.06 LTS | 17:59 |
| xivulon | evand see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53974/ | 18:00 |
| xivulon | should have same verbosity as before | 18:00 |
| xivulon | did not test that though | 18:00 |
| bdmurray | Yeah it is hard to say. | 18:00 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: One thing I wanted to talk about last week was the console-setup project in Launchpad. It says it doesn't use bugs but I thought it should point to the debian bug tracker. | 18:05 |
| cjwatson | is that possible? | 18:05 |
| cjwatson | oh, hey, that's new | 18:06 |
| cjwatson | that feature didn't exist when I/others registered all the bits of d-i :) | 18:06 |
| cjwatson | I've changed console-setup, will go round and change others too | 18:06 |
| cjwatson | doesn't really produce a fantastic link mind you | 18:07 |
| cjwatson | hey, neat, I can just change the bug tracker for d-i and it changes all the bits at once | 18:08 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: I've also submitted bug 181860 - what is the deadline to get that fixed? Since it is something I could help with. | 18:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 181860 in console-setup "spelling or grammar issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181860 | 18:25 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: need to push that one upstream | 18:29 |
| cjwatson | (otherwise cue translation update nightmare) | 18:30 |
| cjwatson | I'll do it this week | 18:30 |
| bdmurray | Could I get the upstream code via bzr and create a branch or is just easier for you to do? | 18:32 |
| cjwatson | significantly easier for me to just do it | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | you can certainly get the current code from https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/console-setup/trunk | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | and a patch would probably speed things up | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | but I'll basically have to re-commit it to upstream svn anyway | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | the text in question was written by a Bulgarian and it does sort of show :) | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | very good coder, somewhat dodgy English | 18:35 |
| bdmurray | Okay. I'm curious about how others can go about fixing strings like this as it seems like a potentially easy thing for new contributors to do. | 18:38 |
| cjwatson | best process is a bug report to upstream | 18:38 |
| cjwatson | the problem is that syncing up translations is a lot of manual work | 18:39 |
| cjwatson | upstream already has a process for doing all of this with loads of automation, and it's best to take advantage of it where possible | 18:39 |
| * cjwatson -> out for a bit | 18:39 | |
| bdmurray | Is the translations bit complicated because it is in debian? | 18:40 |
| cjwatson | err, sort of, that's not really the reason | 19:36 |
| cjwatson | changing translated strings involves changing the gettext .po files for all languages supported by the package, which creates a massive diff that is a lot of manual labour to merge later | 19:36 |
| cjwatson | (our tools are pretty poor at doing it automatically) | 19:36 |
| cjwatson | and it also puts the burden on us to gather translations | 19:37 |
| cjwatson | if somebody else is already doing that, and if it's really just a bug rather than an Ubuntu-specific extension, then it just doesn't make sense to do the change locally in Ubuntu | 19:37 |
| cjwatson | especially as translations are difficult to forward upstream - you typically can't just commit them, you have to get approval from the translation teams or you get lots of angry e-mail | 19:38 |
| cjwatson | (been there, done that) | 19:38 |
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