[00:37] <Mike_Feravolo> hey
[00:52] <desertc> Mike_Feravolo: what do you mean by 'get out there' - where is there?
[00:52] <desertc> in regards to your chamber of commerce comment
[00:54] <Mike_Feravolo> It means that you have to show up at events when  you join a chamber for it to help you
[00:55] <Mike_Feravolo> At least that how it works in Orlando, Florida USA
[00:56] <Mike_Feravolo> Bug Number 1 is big in Orlando Florida and a lot of people don't know that it can be fixed
[00:59] <desertc> It always feels like you live in a community where everyone uses microsoft until you start checking around with people.
[01:00] <desertc> I did not realize there was a group here who loads ubuntu on donated computers and gives them to poor people, for example, or that there is a college department that runs all kubuntu
[01:04] <Mike_Feravolo> That sounds like good news, at least the donated computers part I don't know about the KDE thing
[01:04] <Mike_Feravolo> :-)
[01:08] <desertc> did you go to the florida linux show earlier in the month?
[01:08] <Mike_Feravolo> the one in jacksonville ?
[01:08] <desertc> yes, that one
[01:09] <Mike_Feravolo> I didn't get a change it's about 4 hours + away this time of year
[01:09] <Mike_Feravolo> man my spelling is awful
[01:10] <desertc> but those are the types of things that show there is linux activity in your area
[01:13] <Mike_Feravolo> Okay
[01:14] <Mike_Feravolo> But, how does that "sell" ubuntu to people that never heard of Linux  ?
[01:15] <desertc> just opportunities to collaborate with other groups in your loco
[01:15] <desertc> 1+1=3
[01:16] <desertc> like - I am considering setting up a coffee shop that will educate people on ubuntu (and sell coffee and internet), but I would get the computers donated from this group that gives them away
[01:16] <Mike_Feravolo> Where ?
[01:16] <desertc> that way I can run an coffee place at a profit without buying and maintaining the computers, and I can focus on putting together classes and promoting the store
[01:17] <Mike_Feravolo> The internet Cafe thing is cool
[01:17] <Mike_Feravolo> or I should say Ubuntu Cafe ?
[01:17] <desertc> nice
[01:18] <Mike_Feravolo> I does sound cool, the question is can you use it ?
[01:20] <desertc> only thing holding me back is that I have no idea how to convert a cement-floored empty space into a up-to-code restaurant.  I suppose I could learn.  :)
[01:20] <desertc> ... that and I don't want to dump 30 grand on a lease that is going to end up being a money pit  ;)
[01:21] <Mike_Feravolo> Been there, Done that :-)
[01:21] <desertc> which part?  bringing a place to code or dumping a truck load of savings into a hole?
[01:21] <Mike_Feravolo> Which is why I am sticking to the Computer Trade
[01:22] <Mike_Feravolo> The flushing a ton of money into some elses building and lossing my . . . . 
[01:22] <desertc> yes, for certain I can make more money doing the IT gig.  just got bored of it as of lately
[01:23] <Mike_Feravolo> How long have you been in the profession ?
[01:24] <Mike_Feravolo> I have been in the Computer Science trade since the Mini-Computer era
[01:25] <Mike_Feravolo> I even feel for the MCSE scam
[01:26] <Mike_Feravolo> But realized that is just another way to make you know who richer
[01:27] <Mike_Feravolo> So I burned my MCP card
[01:29] <Mike_Feravolo> Peace
[01:32] <desertc> oh, hi, back
[01:32] <desertc> yes, got the mcse back in NT 4.0 days and a cert list as long as my arm
[01:33] <desertc> I might consider getting the LCP if I started supporting linux systems.  I am someone who loves to learn!
[01:44] <Mike_Feravolo> Still here, more or less, What type of things are you interested in learning - I like programming and would like to learn Groovy
[01:45] <Mike_Feravolo> Groovy is the secound langauge to run under the java run time
[01:46] <Mike_Feravolo> I hate this comparision but it's like VB.net is to C##
[01:50] <desertc> I am not much of a programmer, even though I went to school for it.  I'm more about working with other people to do technical solutions.
[01:50] <desertc> That's the kind of stuff that gets me really excited: to see people getting together, working with computers to get them to do something important.
[01:51] <desertc> So, like, working with people to adopt a free software solution like ubuntu is a dream for me!  :)
[01:52] <Mike_Feravolo> I agree,  I don't do a lot of programming other then web based stuff these days
[01:56] <Mike_Feravolo> Working with people to adopt a free software solution, that sounds like a clear objective to me
[07:36] <DPic> Idea-- how about we create a guide for people to lobby their local govenments for free software and Ubuntu adoption? http://www.google.com/search?q=lobby+governmnet+%22how+to%22+OR+guide
[08:25] <juliux> morning
[20:00] <monkee> b00