[00:00] <Mm|Spunky> haha ok
[00:08] <Seveas> meh
[00:08] <Seveas> are there no good irc bouncers?
[00:09] <Seveas> bip sucks
[00:09] <Seveas> dircproxy sucks
[00:09] <LjL> Seveas: i share your pain
[00:10] <LjL> i'm on muh
[00:10] <LjL> which sucks
[00:10] <LjL> Seveas: all these irssi fanatics say they use irssi-proxy
[00:10] <Seveas> irssi sucks
[00:10] <LjL> i might give up and try it, unless i get around to writing my own
[00:11] <LjL> Seveas: irssi may suck, but used as a proxy it certainly has some interesting features
[00:11] <PriceChild> i thought irssi-proxy was great
[00:11] <PriceChild> it also gives the advantage of being a client at the same time
[00:11] <LjL> PriceChild: well, i call that unneeded bloat, unless you actually like using it as a client
[00:11] <LjL> which i don't
[00:11] <PriceChild> hehe
[00:11] <LjL> but anyway, if its proxy is the best around...
[00:13] <LjL> Seveas: there is a derivative of muh that someone recommended to me, as well... it fixes most of muh's horrible shortcomings, although one i find pretty serious still remains: QUIT and NICK are logged for *all* channels regardless of whether the person was in such channels or not
[00:13] <LjL> that makes logs... *slightly*... cluttered and big
[00:14] <PriceChild> I would rather that....
[00:14] <PriceChild> reading one log would be confusing if someone changes
[00:15] <LjL> PriceChild, but there is no problem if the nick change is only shown in the logs for the *channels they're in*
[00:15] <Seveas> ctrlproxy looks promising
[00:15] <PriceChild> ohhhh
[00:15] <PriceChild> LjL, that's wierd
[00:15] <LjL> PriceChild: basically, when i look at the logs of -ops, i see quit/nick commands for #ubuntu too
[00:15] <PriceChild> who thought that'd be a good idea?!
[00:15] <LjL> PriceChild: it's not weird really, as QUIT and NICK are the only "global" commands
[00:15] <PriceChild> ah ok
[00:16] <LjL> PriceChild, the original muh developer probably just wanted something easy. the derivative's developers call it a "feature not a bug". it's still a bug.
[00:16] <LjL> PriceChild: fixing it involves keeping a nicklist for every channel you're in
[00:16] <PriceChild> yup
[00:16] <LjL> which *clients* already do, of course, so it's no issue for them
[00:16] <PriceChild> LjL, fork it
[00:16]  * PriceChild grins
[00:16] <PriceChild> LjL, how about attach an irssi to it for logging?
[00:16]  * PriceChild runs off
[00:16] <LjL> easier to write my own than to understand someone else's code... it's not an incredibly complicated thing
[00:17] <LjL> PriceChild: it allows only one client connected at a time ;)
[00:17] <PriceChild> bug!!
[00:17] <PriceChild> ok
[00:17] <LjL> how come ctrlproxy is the only one i *don't* have installed
[00:17] <PriceChild> run irssi proxy
[00:17] <PriceChild> then attach muh to irssi
[00:17] <PriceChild> then your client to muh
[00:17] <PriceChild> and make irssi log
[00:17] <LjL> erg
[00:17] <PriceChild> :D
[00:18] <LjL> PriceChild: anyway jokes aside, there is a pretty interesting Qt client in the works, howsitcalled
[00:18] <LjL> PriceChild: which does something i've often though about, i.e. being divided in a daemon and a frontend - but not the way proxies do it, actually keeping all stateful information in the backend
[00:19] <LjL> quassel-irc.org
[00:21] <PriceChild> interesting
[00:21] <Seveas> LjL, that's exactly what I'm looking for as well
[00:23] <LjL> Seveas: well i think you'll have to wait a while still for that one to be released... ctrlproxy dunno, it doesn't seem to have even basic stuff such as giving a server password
[00:24] <LjL> i'd live a compressing irc proxy as well, i'd need that for the cell phone's pretty expensive data connection
[00:24] <LjL> s/live/love/
[00:24] <LjL> but of course that requires a proxy on the phone too so no chances unless i write it
[00:25] <PriceChild> Someone give me money for a machine I can use to run a proxy so I can worry and spend time on problems like this..
[00:25] <LjL> PriceChild: nice try
[00:25] <PriceChild> :P
[00:29] <LjL> uh, concerning logs, let's see how long yesterday's idiot has kept CTCPing me tonight, for kicks
[00:29] <LjL> and bans
[00:30] <LjL> wow, he went on until 5:30am with privmsgs, possibly longer with ctcps (which my very smart proxy doesn't seem to log at all)
[02:16] <Pandillero> United Mexican Trolls On The Attack!!!!    WE WILL RECONQUER THE SOUTHWEST DEMOGRAPHICALLY!!!  VAYANSE A LA CHINGADA GRINGOS DE MIERDA  SON RATEROS JUDIOS Y NECESITAN VOLVER A EUROPA    GO BACK TO EUROPE THEIVING GRINGOS  FUCCCKING JEWS  WE WILL OUTBREED YOU AND RECONQUER THE AMERICAN SOUTHWEST    6 TROLLS AT THE UNAM IN MEXICO CITY    UNSTOPPABLE
[02:17] <nalioth> smart.
[02:17] <nalioth> real smart.
[02:25] <jdong> lol. that actually made me laugh a bit.. I'm going to hell
[02:27] <pleia2> jdong: me too :)
[02:52] <LjL> jdong: don't worry you'd have gone to hell anyway
[03:02] <tritium> yikes
[03:02] <Pici> el chupacabra
[03:02] <tritium> That hits a little too close to home...
[03:04]  * tritium lives in the American Southwest
[03:08] <Jack_Sparrow> I am part american indian.. our casinos will take over mexico ")
[03:09] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: I thought you were a pirate from the Carribean ;)
[03:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Long story
[03:13] <LjL> i'm italian, please someone take us over
 WARNING: nuri3l, co_basket, aini-zidane, fie are all connected from 222.124.230.41
[03:15] <LjL> muted - they all have idents and realnames "komp<number>"
[03:17] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[03:17] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[03:19] <tonyyarusso> for real?  geeeeez
[03:19] <Pici> nalioth: mrroboto (i=grids@drank.co.uk)
[03:19] <tonyyarusso> Upgrading my router firmware actually made it vulnerable when it wasn't before it seems
[03:19] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> Could a third party please exploit test me?
[03:22] <Pici> tonyyarusso: /j #ubuntu-read-topic
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> Pici: I'm in there now - the bot banforwarded me
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> oh wait
[03:23] <Pici> read the topic
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> auto testing?  are you serious?
[03:23] <Pici> yes.
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> sweet
[03:23] <Pici> LjL is magical.
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> !botsnack | LjL
[03:23] <ubotu> LjL: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:24] <Pici>  <FloodBot1> tonyyarusso has been removed from the exploit quarantine
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> That's super cool
[03:24] <Pici> It really is.
[03:24] <LjL> when it works
[03:24]  * tonyyarusso needs to rebuild the irssi config anyway
[03:25] <LjL> meh we need to find all these weird hostnames in #ubuntu
[03:25] <LjL> it sounds easy in theory as they're easy to spot by eye... but by machine? i don't know
[03:26] <Pici> Well, two of them were with i=grids@*
[03:26] <tritium> Anybody else getting all the foul DCC send requests?
[03:27] <Pici> tritium: no, we're just sitting here twiddling our thumbs.
[03:27] <Jay-Oh-En> can somebody test me
[03:27] <Pici> Jay-Oh-En: Did you read the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[03:27] <Jay-Oh-En> yes
[03:27] <Jay-Oh-En> i tried all of that
[03:28] <jrib> guess not
[03:28] <tritium> *sigh*
[03:29] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: or is it a mirage
[03:29] <jrib> Jay-Oh-En: did you change the port you connect to?
[03:29] <Pici> LjL: The last 3 attacks were by people identified, I dont think we need to have +r set.
[03:29] <Jay-Oh-En> jrib, ill do that
[03:30] <LjL> Pici: ah they were? fantastic.
[03:31] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: I finished the modules for upstreamdev      http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id2504530573.html
[03:31] <LjL> here was another attempting...
[03:31] <Pici> i=grids, I saw.
[03:32] <nalioth> thanks, Pici
[03:32] <LjL> pici, that i= doesn't mean they're identified though
[03:32] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: can you email it to me, I don't think I'll look at it today?  I sent you an email to your gmail.
[03:32] <Jay-Oh-En> jrib, it works now
[03:32] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: Sure I can send it over
[03:32] <Pici> LjL: I thought i= was identified and n= not id'd.
[03:32] <Pici> Although that would make just enough sense for it to be illogically wrong.
[03:32] <LjL> Pici: "identified" in the sense that an identd server on the user's machine replied to the ident request from the server
[03:33] <LjL> that's an entirely different thing from being identified to *services*
[03:33] <Pici> Well thats silly.
[03:33] <LjL> it's always been that way
[03:33] <LjL> only way to know if someone is identified to *services* is /whois or /capab identify-msg
[03:33] <nalioth> Pici: you really need to set this up:
[03:33] <nalioth> Want to see if someone is identified to services at a glance?  http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spoofing Pici
[03:34] <LjL> nalioth: doesn't really help when they join and haven't said anything yet though :)
[03:34] <LjL> and on a CTCP, it won't show anything
[03:36] <Pici> nalioth: thanks, setup.
[03:36] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: In the mail now.  I was able to do what I wanted writing only new modules in py...  no hooks in upstreamdev, no batch files etc..
[03:58] <Pici> I'm probably going to be writing up the new templates for the bantracker branch's new web ui, ping me if anyone has any ideas besides the current layout.
[03:58] <Pici> s/templates/templates tomorrow/
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> wow I'm laggy
[06:20] <ubotu> In ubotu, Presto123 said: !foo is foo
[06:20] <ubotu> In ubotu, Presto123 said: !foo is also bar
[06:25] <nalioth> ubotu: tell presto123 about bot
[06:53] <bodhi_zazen> hey, anyone know the nick
[06:53] <bodhi_zazen> adrock358 ?
[06:53] <bodhi_zazen> claims he was banned from #ubuntu ?
[06:54] <bodhi_zazen> s/he showed up on #ubuntu-montana and was not so nice
[06:54] <bodhi_zazen> was going to moderate, but they left the channel
[06:57] <nalioth> lovely  ;)
[07:08] <Seveas> 2008-01-24T05:19:37 <adrock358> bloo bloo bloo bloo blah blah
[07:08] <Seveas> 2008-01-24T05:19:51 <adrock358> madgoat goat, want to hook a nigger up?
[07:08] <Seveas> that's a summary of his english :)
[07:08] <Seveas> Not too bad for someone from montana
[07:08]  * Seveas runs :)
[07:13] <Jucato> oh he's in #kubuntu now... gotta keep watch
[07:15] <Seveas> -us-tx and -us-ny as well
[11:25] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[11:26] <Mez> nice reaction from the Floodbot there :D
[11:27] <stdin> quicker than my reaction anyway :p
[12:54] <usuario> jeferson
[12:54] <PriceChild> lincoln
[12:54] <usuario> d
[12:54] <PriceChild> c
[12:54] <usuario> qual seu nome?
[12:54] <PriceChild> You lose.
[12:55] <Seeker`> I win!
[12:55] <PriceChild> usuario, do you speak English?
[12:55] <usuario> o que é isso?
[12:55] <PriceChild> aha he has a banforward on him
[12:55] <usuario> não fala portugues?
[12:56] <PriceChild> Não pesaroso. Acabo de usar um tradutor livre agora mesmo.
[12:56] <usuario> de onde vc é ?
[12:57] <PriceChild> usuario, /join #ubuntu-pt
[12:57] <PriceChild> !pt
[12:57] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[13:00] <Pici> you so funny PriceChild
[13:00] <PriceChild> Pici, what'd I do?!
[13:01] <Pici> Just the Jefferson,Lincoln thing above.
[13:06] <PriceChild> pfft you're just sore because you didn't win
[13:16] <Pici> guest22: How can we help you today?
[13:19] <Hobbsee> @now portland
[13:39] <jpatrick> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3975/
[13:39] <jpatrick> did anyone else suffer tha?
[13:43] <elkbuntu> !test
[13:43] <ubotu> Failed.
[13:43] <stdin> they were sent to #ubuntu so everyone in #ubuntu did
[13:43] <jpatrick> ok
[13:53] <Pici> jpatrick: yeah, that was taken care of last night.
[14:04] <LjL> mwah
[14:04] <LjL> [15:02:40] [Notice] -- [Tue 29 Jan 04:39:10](htns) Hey dude [15:02:40] [Notice] -- [Tue 29 Jan 04:39:18](htns) Can you unban me from #ubuntu? [15:02:40] [Notice] -- [Tue 29 Jan 04:39:28](htns) I'm sorry the way I acted, I really need some help
[14:04] <LjL> sure, after you ctcp flooded me for hours. sure.
[14:04] <Pici> hah
[14:08] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu (nunzio_)
[14:09] <ikonia> best kick message goes to ljl
[14:10] <stdin> looks like my highlight on irc:// works :)
[14:10] <LjL> ikonia: maybe, but worst kick :)
[14:10] <LjL> i did /whois nunzio[linux]
[14:10] <ikonia> your message made up for it
[14:10] <ikonia> ;)
[14:10] <LjL> then /whois nunzioTAB, thinking it would give me nunzio_, who however had been kicked
[14:10] <LjL> the rest you can guess :)
[14:11] <ikonia> I see where that went
[14:11] <LjL> good thing when people have autojoin on invite though
[14:11] <LjL> well - bad thing, actually, but sometimes it helps
[14:11] <ikonia> saves blushes
[14:12] <Pici> Neat, new bantracker seems to be working: 2008-01-29T09:07:56 Registering Kick Event: nunzio kicked by jri.b
[14:13] <ikonia> Pici: so that picks up a feed from ubotu ?
[14:13] <Pici> ikonia: No, my own bot.
[14:13] <LjL> ah Pici, i meant to ask you something... you said that each record is kept separately, does that mean that each message in the logs is stored in a separate db row?
[14:13] <ikonia> ahhh
[14:13] <Pici> LjL: In my tracker, yes.
[14:13] <LjL> oh jesus my gay fan club is back
[14:14] <ikonia> ll ?
[14:14] <LjL> Pici: hmm that's not a very good thing in that it won't allow to store logs compressed...
[14:14] <ikonia> LjL: LL is a mega odd one
[14:14] <LjL> ikonia: yeah, although the nick was different the last time
[14:14] <ikonia> I've seen him as [LL] before
[14:14] <Pici> LjL: I'll have to play with it.
[14:15] <ikonia> Pici: that looks very interesting so is it key word triggered ?
[14:15] <LjL> Pici: you see, you can still compress each message separately, but that wouldn't give you very good compression - and a lot of overhead
[14:15] <LjL> gah i didn't whois in time, was ll registered?
[14:15] <Pici> ikonia: Right now it only triggers on removes.
[14:15] <Pici> LjL: yes
[14:16] <ikonia> Pici: but is it the "word" that removes it or an event
[14:16] <ikonia> Pici: I'm wording that badly, sorry
[14:16] <LjL> Pici: you've got your identify-msg huh? :)
[14:16] <LjL> last time the nick was N1c
[14:16] <LjL> same host
[14:17] <LjL> i was about to kick him but for some reason i gave him to price's PM torture instead
[14:18] <LjL> ikonia: yeah you make no sense tbh :)
[14:18] <Pici> ikonia: Its based on whether the part message begins with 'requested by' (note that normal part messages begin with double quotes).
[14:19] <Pici> if(msg.args[1][:12] == 'requested by')
[14:19] <ikonia> Pici: ok - so it's keyword on the part message
[14:20] <Pici> Yes.
[14:21] <LjL> ikonia: it's the only way to do it
[14:21] <LjL> otherwise, a "remove" message is perfectly indistinguishable from a PART
[14:22] <Pici> No, remove messages don't have double quotes around them like PART messages do.
[14:22] <LjL> Pici: yep sure, it's still a matter of matching a regex against the command body though
[14:22] <LjL> ("command body" i mean the stuff after the ":")
[14:22] <Pici> LjL: Right, they are still of type PART.
[14:22] <Pici> ArthurArchnix: How can we help you today?
[14:23] <LjL> Pici: yes, which theoretically means that it could even trigger bugs in clients :)
[14:23] <LjL> which usually don't quit expect to see themselves parted from channels when they didn't ask for it
[14:23] <LjL> Pici, ArthurArchnix wants to comment on a bot factoid and submit a new one, i directed him here
[14:24] <Pici> LjL: Ah, okay.
[14:24] <ArthurArchnix> Hi guys, sorry to bother, but with respect to "!flash" the two messages that ubotu spits out are confusing. After reading the first one I think that flash is fixed, after all, there's a message saying that it's now available in backports. Then another message pops up saying it broken. I was just wondering if there might be a better way to say that it's broken for Gutsy (still) and it's fixed (or not) in backports. I notic
[14:24] <ArthurArchnix> Thanks for considering it.
[14:25] <LjL> ArthurArchnix, well, the part in backports is about the fact that it's available in *older* releases, i think
[14:25] <LjL> !flash
[14:25] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:25] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[14:25] <LjL> ArthurArchnix: yes, see, it says it's available in backports for dapper and edgy
[14:25] <stdin> I think the "backports" part can be removed, that was from when flash 9 was put into backports
[14:25] <LjL> stdin: well it's still in backports only for dapper (who cares about edgy :)
[14:26] <ArthurArchnix> Yeah... I just wanted to say that I was confused, and see if anyone else is... sometimes I get confused all alone. :)
[14:26] <LjL> !no flash is <reply> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:26] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[14:26] <LjL> better?
[14:27] <ArthurArchnix> !flash
[14:27] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:27] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[14:28]  * Pici thinks of a bug to log for ubotu
[14:28] <Pici> -also factoids should prefix themselves with whatever the first message is prefixed with.
[14:29] <ArthurArchnix> Yes, no. I dunno. Like I said... I was confused when I first came across it. Then I ran into someone in the channels also confused and I thought I'd mention it. I'm probably overthinking it, and you probably have better things to handle. Thanks again. Night.
[14:29] <ikonia> Pici: you may want to speak to Sevas as I've made a request about the flash plugin factoid which I think sevas was looking at
[14:31] <LjL> Pici: they should
[14:31] <LjL> by the way
[14:31] <LjL> !no flash-also is <reply> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. An official fix may take some time, but see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you can't wait.
[14:31] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[14:32] <LjL> i feel like i'm fooling around with people when i say "it's recommended to wait for an official fix" by now
[14:32] <ikonia> LjL: it is a dissapointing state
[14:32]  * jussi01 agrees with ikonia 
[14:32] <LjL> Pici: however, "double" factoids (i.e. also) should really never be used in the channel ideally... they're intended for PM to begin with
[14:34] <LjL> anyway, i'll just assume the guy is right so
[14:34] <LjL> !flash =~ s/$/ - Flash is currently BROKEN, see « /msg ubotu flashissues »/
[14:34] <ubotu> Too many (or not enough) delimiters
[14:35] <LjL> !flash =~ s/$/ - Flash is currently BROKEN, see « \/msg ubotu flashissues »/
[14:35] <ikonia> LjL: much much better
[14:35] <LjL> !forget flash-also
[14:35] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[14:37] <jussi01> LjL: should you not add "installation" to that? (or something similar)
[14:38] <LjL> jussi01: hm?
[14:38] <LjL> ah
[14:38] <jussi01> LjL: flash works fine, just the install is broken
[14:38] <stdin> LjL: I think he means "Flash installation is currently BROKEN..."
[14:38] <LjL> !flash =~ s/Flash is currently/The Flash package is currently/
[14:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[14:39] <jussi01> :)
[14:39] <stdin> unless you use konqueror, where flash is quite b0rked
[14:39] <jussi01> true
[14:40] <ikonia> the flash situation is getting sad
[14:40] <Pici> Yes.
[14:40] <jussi01> ikonia: no, the flash situation IS sad
[14:41] <LjL> stdin: WFM
[14:41] <stdin> LjL: there are many reports of nspluginviewer crashing with flash
[14:41] <LjL> stdin: i don't think i even know what nspluginviewer is
[14:42] <stdin> it's the part that runs the ns (Netscape) plugin  (the libflashplayer.so)
[14:42] <LjL> i just know youtube can be pretty annoying, as it works *if* i start from the youtube.com page and then search, but it doesn't if i use a direct link to the relevant page
[14:42] <LjL> but i guess that's something to do with the browser id being sent...
[14:43] <jussi01> ahny one know which timezone jono is in ?
[14:43] <stdin> depends what country he's in atm
[14:43] <stdin> if he's home it's GMT
[14:43] <jussi01> hehe, ok
[14:43] <jussi01> stdin: thanks
[14:44] <ikonia> jussi01: UK
[14:44] <Pici> spuh4kl527993
[14:44] <Pici> oops
[14:44] <stdin> ikonia: since when is UK a timezone? ;)
[14:45] <Pici> At least its not *my* password.
[14:45] <jussi01> LOL
[14:45]  * LjL makes a note to never give pici passwords
[14:46] <ikonia>  msg nickserv identify ikonia iloveljl
[14:46] <ikonia> oops
[14:46] <ikonia> how did that slip
[14:46] <Pici> I told keepass to do its auto-type thing but didnt have the browser in focus
[14:46] <ikonia> perhaps not the most approrpiate joke to play while [ll] is around
[14:47] <ikonia> Pici: did your bot pick that up ;)
[14:47] <LjL> Pici: it's funny when i try to turn off the computer before going to bed -- with the screen off
[14:47] <LjL> ikonia: :P
[14:47] <Pici> ikonia: no, it doesnt pick up proper kicks yet.
[14:47] <LjL> ctrl+alt+f1 -- whoops that wasn't Alt
[14:47] <LjL> ljl
[14:47] <LjL> .........
[14:47] <LjL> sudo halt
[14:47] <LjL> .........
[14:48]  * LjL thinks computers should have a separate keyboard for passwords ;P
[14:48] <pleia2> hehe
[14:48] <ikonia> LjL: have you played with the optimus mini ?
[14:48] <ikonia> LjL: I've tried using that for "password" buttons
[14:48] <LjL> the what
[14:49] <ikonia> "optiums mini"
[14:49] <LjL> ah the expensive keyboard with leds on buttons
[14:49] <ikonia> yup
[14:49] <ikonia> I bought one about a year ago for some dev work
[14:49] <ikonia> one of the functions was auth (or passwords)
[14:49] <LjL> you can justify any crazy expense if you add "for some dev work" at the end of the sentence
[14:50] <ikonia> of course
[14:50] <ikonia> got loads of good uses out of it
[14:50] <ikonia> implimented a few around the company
[14:50] <ikonia> basiclly short cut buttons only
[14:51] <LjL> i was thinking of another keyboard though, a qwerty ones with leds on each key. anyway, i've found which one it is now
[14:51] <ikonia> ahhh thats the bigger one
[14:51]  * LjL sticks to using his PDA for that :)
[14:51] <LjL> well, i lie, i never did use it for that, but i could
[14:52] <LjL> although my PDA is black and white and doesn't look nearly as much kewl
[14:52] <LjL> you know, it reminds a bit of a WindowMaker dock
[14:52] <LjL> 'cept it's a physical dock
[14:57] <ikonia> LjL: that has to be a palm
[14:57] <LjL> ikonia: nope, a Psion 5 and an iPaq 3130 (yes, b/w iPaq)
[14:58] <ikonia> wow
[14:58] <ikonia> vintage
[14:58] <LjL> i should find the time to install linux on the ipaq by the way, now that i don't need it for GPS anymore (got useless birthday present...)
[14:58] <ikonia> LjL: I've got 2 old Ipaq for that very purpose
[14:58] <ikonia> I tried to give them away when mine got upgrded, no-one wanted them
[14:58] <LjL> ikonia: the iPaq is vintage crap (except for the price i got it for...), but the Psion is extremely useful vintage.
[14:58] <ikonia> they are both really good models
[14:59] <LjL> ikonia: i can't really use such PDAs very much though. no keyboard... what do i do with them except navigation, and Windows CE well you know. the Psion is actually something i use - i've probably typed more stuff on the psion than on my computer (excluding stuff typed on IRC)
[15:00] <ikonia> LjL: thats understandable, I just use mine for GPS, mail/calander sync basic stuff to not have to boot the laptop while around
[15:00] <LjL> you could say they're versatile... well they are, mp3 player, metronome, ham radio modem, guitar tuner is some of the things i used it for. but the battery lasts 2 hours... whenever i'd need it, it's usually flat
[15:01] <LjL> ikonia: yep for GPS they're ok but even for mail and calendar, you just should try a psion. having a keyboard to type on, and batteries which last 10 hours, is well another thing
[15:02] <ikonia> LjL I used to have a pison, but for who my main client is at the moment, I /have/ to use an ipaq
[15:02] <ikonia> although i don't write much, really just read
[15:02] <ikonia> got my web urls bookmarked so not much typing to do
[15:02] <ikonia> http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-tactus/
[15:02] <ikonia> this is starting to get silly ;)
[15:03] <LjL> ikonia: well different people different needs, but admit the software at least is miles above windows ce... (now they've ruined it with recent symbian version, but anyway)
[15:03] <ikonia> LjL ooh totally windows CE suckor
[15:03] <LjL> but silly, yes :)
[15:03] <ikonia> LjL: one of the things I'm trying witht he HX4700 is to get linux on it and thunderbird and a few things like that
[15:03] <ikonia> trying to make it an open ipaq
[15:04] <ikonia> with rather limited sucssed at the moment
[15:04] <LjL> ikonia: eh... there is such thing as an open ipaq already... although i'm afraid it's a bit of a mess now, with the handhelds.org quarrel
[15:05] <ikonia> LjL: exactly
[15:05] <LjL> on my older ipaq, i had Familiar for most of the time
[15:05] <ikonia> hence why I'm doing my own thing ;)
[15:05] <ikonia> I used it on the old compaq ipaws
[15:05] <ikonia> ipaqs
[15:05] <LjL> ikonia: well the stuff *is* there and open source though
[15:05] <LjL> just a bit confusing reading about right now
[15:05] <ikonia> it's all scrappy
[15:05] <ikonia> just doing my own thing and building on people's stuff to make my own solution
[15:06] <LjL> ikonia: it was in pretty good shape when i used it on the other ipaq :|
[15:06] <LjL> even though i used 0.6.0 or something i think, never anything newer
[15:06] <LjL> Opie, mind, X sucked ;)
[15:07] <LjL> ikonia: actually i mostly used it over SSH to compile stuff on... since it had a faster processor than my computer :D
[15:08] <jussi01> has gtt surfaced yet?
[15:08] <LjL> wha?
[15:08] <jussi01> the guy I banned yesterday - gtt
[15:08] <LjL> ah
[15:09] <LjL> jussi01: not after you told him to come back in 24 hours
[15:11] <jussi01> LjL: ok. thanks
[15:14] <ikonia> LjL: thats a cool use
[15:15] <LjL> ikonia: well, it can be if you still have a pentium 166 in >2000
[15:15] <ikonia> LjL: wasn't the arch "arm" though ?
[15:16] <LjL> ikonia: yes, i'm saying, it's a cool use if the ARM 200MHz that's in your PDA is faster than the Pentium 166 that's in your desktop computer
[15:16] <LjL> ARM 233Mhz actually
[15:16] <ikonia> ahhh
[15:16] <LjL> mind, i don't have a Pentium 166 anymore *now* :)
[15:17] <ikonia> big upgrade ?
[15:17] <LjL> ikonia: uhm sort of... i bought the cheapest Sempron i could find a couple of years ago, but the PSU exploded and so did the motherboard. so now i'm using a Celeron 1700 that a friend of mine found next to his house's trash bin
[15:18] <ikonia> your on borrowed kit
[15:18] <LjL> could put it that way
[15:31] <Seeker`> mmm...borrowed kit
[16:26] <LjL> !el
[16:26] <LjL> of course we have a greek channel
[16:27] <Pici> !gr
[16:27] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[16:27] <Pici> Whats el?
[16:27] <LjL> !el | bot log
[16:27] <ubotu> bot log: #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[16:27] <LjL> hellas (eλλαδα)
[16:27] <LjL> greece
[16:29] <LjL> s/bot log/bot lag/
[16:30] <Pici> ah.
[16:31] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL: I am in need of a little assistance.  WHat I am looking for is your list of cli commands that you would use to troubleshoot a video problem, or sound, or networking.  I would like to try and write them into a module for upstream
[16:32] <Jack_Sparrow> brb
[16:32] <jussi01> its PriceChild!!! ssshhhh!!!
[16:32] <jussi01> :P
[16:34] <Pici> ugh... this Nik0la0s fellow is still trying to use mutt and smtp...
[16:36] <PriceChild> http://pastebin.ca/879249 lol (completely offtopic)
[16:36] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow, usually i dodge video/sound problems... :) but, "amixer" shows all mixer settings, and that's definitely useful for when people are lost in a mixer with too many controls. "lsmod" is certainly handy in general, i suppose they have it already... (and "lshw" but i *know* they have that already). perhaps "aptitude search '~Pxserver-xorg-video" can also help (shows which [proprietary] video drivers you have installed, although one would need the
[16:36] <LjL> version numbers too, there's probably a way to show them as well).
[16:38] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: for sound, you may give crimsun a ping
[16:38] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL: I already have upstream modules for xorg, fstab, mount, grub/menu.lst, lspci, lsb_release etc....   Looking to add anything else useful
[16:39] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: well, for sound amixer is
[16:39] <jussi01> PriceChild: cool!
[16:39] <LjL> but crimsun should know better
[16:39] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL: Thanks.. will check into that now..  I have tons of stuff on video that I am working on now.
[16:40] <PriceChild> crimsun has a command he gets people to run... after downloading it from his site... grep logs of #ubuntu
[16:40] <PriceChild> or +1
[16:40] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: about video, i don't know that i can help you very much aside from that aptitude command
[16:41] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL: Actually, I have lots of notes already on video and res
[16:41] <Seeker`> lo
[16:42]  * Seeker` still hasn't got the hang of focus follows mouse
[16:42] <PriceChild> Seeker`, don't use it then?
[16:42] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild: Cool....  I have the logs pulled up already so that should be an easy add.
[16:42] <Seeker`> PriceChild: I want to get used to it, as it reduces the amount of clicking I have to do
[16:42] <Seeker`> and therefore reduces my RIS
[16:42] <Seeker`> *RSI
[16:43] <PriceChild> *grins*
[16:43] <PriceChild> Seeker`, alt+tab?
[16:43] <Jack_Sparrow> What hours is crimson usually around....  Pacific time for me..
[16:46] <Seeker`> PriceChild: meh :P
[16:47] <Seeker`> something just ate my soundcard :(
[16:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Hope it made an interesting sound doing it :)
[16:49] <Seeker`> no, but now nothing can access the soundcard
[16:49] <Seeker`> i'm gonna try restarting
[16:50] <gouki> I'm thinking about registering #ubuntu-folding for the Ubuntu Folding Team.
[16:50] <gouki> Is it OK with the Council?
[16:51] <jpatrick> hi gouki
[16:51] <gouki> Hi jpatrick
[16:53] <jpatrick> gouki: I'm not a member of the council, but you may wish to read: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IrcTeam/CreatingChannels
[16:54] <gouki> jpatrick, yeah, I know about the good practices to register, I just wanted to check if it was OK to actually register
[16:55] <PriceChild> gouki, I say its fine :)
[16:55] <gouki> PriceChild, thanks.
[16:55] <gouki> jpatrick, thanks for your help.
[16:55] <jpatrick> if it's for a team, why not? :)
[16:57] <no0tic> gouki, what is folding team about?
[16:57] <Seeker`> no0tic: Seeing what the smallest box you can fit Gary in is.
[16:57] <gouki> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoldingAtHomeTeamUbuntu
[16:58] <no0tic> Seeker`, :)
[16:58]  * emmajane waves
[16:58] <PriceChild> Hey emmajane, how can I help?
[16:59] <emmajane> PriceChild: are you in #offtopic atm?
[16:59] <PriceChild> nope
[16:59] <PriceChild> emmajane, are they plotting something?
[16:59] <emmajane> nope, just trying to understand why I was just given a warning...
[17:00] <emmajane> Pici asked me to ask in here.
[17:00] <PriceChild> do you mean #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[17:00] <emmajane> yeah,
[17:00] <emmajane> sorry. :)
[17:00] <PriceChild> ah, that makes more sense
[17:00] <PriceChild> emmajane, I assume from a quick scan he's referring to religion being a controversial topic.
[17:00] <emmajane> which is fair...
[17:01] <emmajane> but I'm not sure how "religion in schools" is not...
[17:01] <PriceChild> I'm afraid I have to run off but will be back in an hour and a half if you want to discuss it further and Jack_Sparrow can't help. *cough cough*
[17:01] <emmajane> I'm just trying to understand the boundaries.
[17:01] <PriceChild> or if anyone else is still around
[17:01] <coolbhavi> PriceChild hi
[17:01] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild: Play nice
[17:01] <PriceChild> coolbhavi, sorry, got to run
[17:02] <coolbhavi> OK
[17:02] <Jack_Sparrow> emmajane: Did he answer enough of your question?
[17:02] <emmajane> Jack_Sparrow: nope. :)
[17:03] <Jack_Sparrow> emmajane: You are looking for the boundaries of offtopic?
[17:03] <emmajane> Jack_Sparrow: I'm trying to understand why religion in schools was not offtopic...
[17:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Usually, religion and politics are something to avoid
[17:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Let me join and take a listen..
[17:04] <emmajane> Jack_Sparrow: too late.
[17:04] <jpatrick> !o4o | basically
[17:04] <ubotu> basically: Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[17:04] <emmajane> I know to respect someone's request to drop a topic.
[17:04] <emmajane> I just don't understand how it was what I said that suddenly made it inappropriate.
[17:04] <Jack_Sparrow> jpatrick: thanks...
[17:05] <jpatrick> Jack_Sparrow: no problem, ate
[17:05] <jpatrick> mate*
[17:05] <emmajane> yes, yes, I read all of that...
[17:05] <emmajane> Pici pointed two of us at it.
[17:05] <Jack_Sparrow> jpatrick: Since I have your attention.. do you have any favorite cli commands you use to troubleshoot a system
[17:07] <jpatrick> Jack_Sparrow: hmm, no but if I'mm debugging I use "gdb" or dmesg if I think it's kernel related
[17:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok, I am just trolling for good greps of the logs and other ways of pulling out useful info when troubleshooting issues
[17:09] <jpatrick> I rarely have to troubleshoot...
[17:40] <ejer> quick question, I want to correct some ubotu factoids, should I just do it with !-no command, or should I seek permission first
[17:41] <jpatrick> ejer: just do them and they'll be reviewed here later
[17:41] <ejer> ok thx
[18:34] <PriceChild> I'll get back to emmajane when she next appears
[18:44]  * Pici *just* got back from the meeting that drew me away from answering her in first place.
[18:56] <Jack_Sparrow> PriceChild: after o4o  she didnt seem to have any more questions
[18:57] <Pici> I think the confusion was that at some point there was a conversation on religion in schools, and no one o4o'd over that.  Then I happened to look at the channel when they were comparing distros to religions or something, and o4o'd them.
[19:09] <PriceChild> Jack_Sparrow, she wasn't satisfied.
[19:10] <Jack_Sparrow> AH, story of my life..  :)  I was a bit rushed...
[19:18] <ompaul> Seveas: you about?
[20:27] <PriceChild> LjL, how come the floodbot decided to tell not to flood before it muted?
[21:03] <LjL> PriceChild: it always does that actually - it gives the "don't flood" message after 5 lines, it mutes after six
[21:03] <LjL> most of the times however, if people are actually flooding [fast enough], the mute will come before the message, because the message is sent in the slow queue
[21:04] <PriceChild> ah right thanks
[21:27] <jpatrick> what's the root support fact?
[21:28] <nalioth> !root
[21:28] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[21:28] <jpatrick> !rootsupport
[21:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rootsupport - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:29] <jpatrick> !supportroot
[21:29] <ubotu> We don't support a root password so don't suggest one unless you are going to be here 24/7 to help someone who has problems as a result of having one, many thanks ;-)
[21:29] <jpatrick> there it is
[21:51] <Pici> also !noroot
[21:57] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (lolers)
[21:58] <PriceChild> jrib, "my girlfriend is a slut" ones... they've been pretty regular lately
[21:59] <PriceChild> *ex girlfriend
[21:59] <Seveas> PriceChild, what's her phone number? :)
[22:03] <jpatrick> does one have to get approved of at an irc-meeting to get access in #ubuntu?
[22:03] <PriceChild> nope
[22:04]  * Seveas hates stupid developers
[22:04] <Seveas> we seem to have a lot of them where I work
[22:04] <Seveas> got a few hours of work ahead of me...
[22:05] <PriceChild> hire me
[22:05] <PriceChild> i'll replace all your stupid developers at a fraction the price
[22:12] <Gary> replace lots of stupid developers with only one stupid developer, sounds like a bargain :p
[22:13] <ubotu> In ubotu, PriceChild said: no ops-#ubuntuforums is <reply> Help zenrox, byen, frodon, KiwiNZ, zenwhen, jdong, KingBahamut, PriceChild, ubuntugeek, ubuntu_demon, darkmatter, Brunellus, panickedthumb, jenda, Vorian, MikeB-, k_mandla, bapoumba, HymnToLife, jacob, macogw, bodhi_zazen, LaRoza or Lord_Illidian!
[23:07] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Pici said: !me is <alias> ubotu
[23:07] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !me is <alias> myself
[23:07] <Pici> !login
[23:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about login - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:07] <Pici> @login
[23:07] <ubotu> OK
[23:08] <Pici> !me is <alias> ubotu
[23:08] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici