[00:20] anyone know of a guide to python and qt [00:21] ? [00:22] http://www.qtrac.eu/pyqtbook.html [00:22] thanks [00:22] It is a book? [00:23] yes [00:23] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay/PyKDE [00:24] thanks [00:24] I want to learn to be a kubuntu developer [00:24] tekteen: excellent! [00:24] what would you recommend? [00:25] is python/qt a good choice? [00:25] the best [00:25] kool [00:25] thanks [00:25] although the documentation isn't as complete as c++, but you can usually convert things [00:26] ok [00:26] I have played with c, python, and bash (as a programming language) [00:27] bye [00:35] will be networkmanager 0.7 ready for hardy? I search in lists/forums/etc and I don't found any info about timming (also I search in networkmanager lists) [00:35] afiestas: judging by the fellow ubuntuers' blog posts, I guess it will be. [00:37] asac seems to think it would be, the trouble is knetworkmanager 0.7 isn't [00:38] mm iirc opensuse mantains the knetworkmanager [00:38] yep [00:38] and the next release of opensuse will have networkmanager 0.7 [00:39] a port for KDE 4 would be nice as well [00:39] Riddell did you talk with opensuse mantainers about it? [00:40] afiestas: yes, and I don't think they've started on it yet [00:40] kde 4 port is after [00:41] kde 4 port should be easy [00:41] it's another rewrite (to solid) [00:41] since the backend is already there (solid) [00:41] * Riddell spots http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/NetworkManager-kde-0.7r759902-10.src.rpm [00:42] transparency at its finest. [00:42] last change in svn is 6 weeks ago [00:43] cheguevara in solid backend or in knetworkmanager 0.7? [00:43] knetworkmanager [00:48] well if someone want to try that with n-m from https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive please do [00:55] mornfall: would it be possible to do partial matches just on package names? [00:56] yuriy: Not sure, depends whether the names are tagged somehow in xapian, but I somewhat doubt that. [00:57] Lemme finish a mail, then I'll check that and then I'll crash to bed. [01:01] yuriy: Okey, it seems they are tagged somehow, so that could be achievable. I'm off till weekend, but when I get back, I'll check with Enrico on how to do that best. [01:19] Riddell you know the mandriva "netApplet" ? [01:20] I'm searching the subversion now, but I'm sure that it isn't integrate with "drakePanel" etc etc [01:20] and it is spllt in a daemon/client [01:21] I'm searching the licence but it should be gpl compatible [01:22] evening [01:22] wow michigan weather is crazy [01:25] wow [01:30] Riddell change the network daemon is an option? or the only way is do something with network-manager? [01:39] anyone else having problems with us.archive.ubuntu.com? [03:37] * yuriy sticks the hardy cd in his laptop [03:40] whoa funky wallpaper [03:40] but.. kde3? is the kde4 cd somewhere else or not yet existent? [03:42] btw the cdimage page says "Kubuntu 8.04 *LTS*" [03:51] "the installation needs to remove operating system files from the target install, but was unable to do so. the installer cannot continue" [03:52] yuriy: screenshot? [03:52] of the funky wallpaper? [03:52] Hobbsee: clicked ok before thinking :-\ [03:52] oh [03:52] funky in a good way [03:55] Hobbsee: http://www.yktech.us/temp/hardy.png [03:56] yuriy: strange :) [03:59] looks like it did delete most of the stuff on the partition [04:02] screenshot of the error: http://www.yktech.us/temp/hardyinstallerror.png [04:13] Jucato: Heya [04:15] yuriy: Would the KDE4 install Cd install OO.o ? [04:15] DasKreech: what kde4 install cd? [04:15] I haven't found one [04:16] I know it doesn't exist yet. I just wanted to know would it be Kubuntu KDE4 or KDE4 on a kubuntu base ? [04:16] oh as in openoffice [04:17] i think it would since koffice2 is still not available [04:17] though kword in the alpha works nicely [04:17] !info mp3blaster [04:17] mp3blaster (source: mp3blaster): Full-screen console mp3 and Ogg Vorbis player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.2.3-3 (gutsy), package size 200 kB, installed size 656 kB [04:17] Sweet :) [04:19] yo DasKreech [04:20] Jucato: Hopefully soon I'll be missing Basket :) [04:20] oh... KDE4? [04:21] soon, you'll be porting it to KDE4 :) [04:22] Well there are three guys working on it [04:22] Just .. you know .. FOSS happens on spare time [04:23] spare tires... [04:27] That too sometimes [04:29] though the spare time normally works out better [04:38] Jucato: went through the release party yet? [04:39] hm? [04:39] Videos on Video.google.com [04:42] ah no [04:42] only aseigo's [04:44] Of course :) [04:45] I'll admit to cherry picking as well [04:51] wow same error on the alternate cd [05:01] seele: You lost out on the big cash prize? [05:09] Jucato: Check out the LinuxMCE one [05:57] Jucato: [05:57] So what's up? [05:57] yes? [05:58] Been out of the loop for a while [05:58] how are you? [05:58] you were sick last time I spoke to you [05:58] doing fine. I'm sort of trying to unwind right now [05:58] and moving on with my C++ studies [05:59] what had you wound up ? [06:02] (see my blog :P) [06:03] I'm so behind on reading too [06:03] I'm like 3 weeks out on the Digest and like 5 for Distrowatch [06:03] :P [06:03] like 4 months for planet mozilla and a month on planet KDE :( [06:05] hehe I don't keep up with that much info :) [06:05] Wait Publisher? [06:12] you were working with that spawn? :) [06:17] :) [06:17] <-- goes to nap.. [06:19] Bah [06:19] well guess I'll sleep then [06:31] installed hardy from alpha 3 and upgraded. kdm troubles now [06:31] yuriy: hmm someone in #kubuntu is having the same [06:31] eatThisandDIE [06:32] DasKreech: password? [06:32] yuriy: to? [06:32] DasKreech: i mean, what was that ^^ [06:32] The person who whas having KDM issues [06:32] It's IRC sometimes I ask sometimes I don't [06:35] DasKreech: i guess it's just jjesse who keeps putting his password in chan :D [06:36] In this chan maybe :) [06:36] I've been in chans where it seems endemic [06:37] heh somebody mentioned 2 batteries before i think [06:48] yuriy: Another one popped in [06:48] davedorm [06:52] DasKreech: my problem is different from DaveDorm's. anyways, gn, i installed gdm for now, maybe i'll deal with it tomorrow [06:53] yuriy: XDM :) [07:05] Night all [07:05] Hobbsee: ping [07:05] DasKreech: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. [07:05] * DasKreech rolls eyes [07:05] Hobbsee: ping Do you know if there is streaming from the event down there .. umm down under? [07:06] DasKreech: no idea [07:07] damn [07:07] ooh, contentlessping.pl works :) [07:07] probably [07:07] Aseigo is giving a talk and I don't even know what conference it is [07:07] lca? [07:08] What's that? [07:08] Googling it just gives me aaron's blog saying he's at it :) [07:10] linux conf au [07:10] just got it :) [07:12] linux.conf.au [07:14] Hmm [07:14] HP sponsors it they better have streaming :( [07:16] his talk is still on thursday (and it's still Wednesday even in .au) [07:16] I know [07:16] hm.. plasma talk... [07:31] :) [07:31] Well night all === apache|mobile is now known as apachelogger [09:59] Are the Release-Notes for Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 4 already available? [10:00] I`m working on the German translation and would like to have the basis for this. [10:07] emu: no, nothing has been written [10:08] Riddell: Do you know where I could get the Information about, what _should_ be in the Release-Notes for Kubuntu? [10:10] Riddell: Is it safe to start testing kub? Are there any major updates in the pipeline? [10:13] emu: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha4/Kubuntu [10:13] davmor2: yes, please do [10:13] okay cool :) [10:13] Riddell: THX [10:14] Riddell, ping [10:16] davmor2: which one are you starting with? [10:16] hi effie_jayx [10:17] Riddell: 64bit live [10:17] davmor2: ok, I'll try 32bit live [10:19] Riddell, hey I just started contributing to motu and I found and easy but to fix. it's a manpage tittle in kdepim https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/180141 . I have fixed the bug and I am trying to test build it and it won't build due to unmet deps . My little knowledges doesn't help. I was wondering if you can share some ideas... [10:19] Launchpad bug 180141 in kdepim "Typo in man page" [Low,In progress] [10:22] effie_jayx: install the missing depends? [10:22] effie_jayx: but kmailcvt --help says "filters" and I presume it knows what it does [10:23] Riddell, the test build fails due to unmet deps, from what I and other people in #ubuntu-motu have been telling me... kde-pim compiles into different binary packages, one it's called kdepim-kresources, where the kabc_*.so sits and also the libscalix.so.0 lib [10:24] Riddell, I didn't triage the bug, but it was confirmed and marked as bitesize for noobs like me to play with :S [10:27] effie_jayx: you need to pastebin the error else I won't know what wrong [10:28] Riddell, http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/53933/ [10:30] effie_jayx: hrm, dunno, nasty linker error [10:30] effie_jayx: did you have all the build-depends installed? [10:30] effie_jayx: however I'm pretty confident that bug is invalid, the program is an import filter [10:31] Riddell, I think I did [10:32] Riddell, pbuilder got all the deps acording t what the package suggested [10:33] Riddell, It is strange beause I pick the bug and it was confirmed ... [10:33] * effie_jayx thinks it must have been tagged just by the easiness of it [10:33] Riddell, I'll close it [10:36] Thanks Riddell [10:42] good morning. [10:49] Riddell: this may take a while fscking gvfs ;) [10:58] Riddell: no restricted device manager again ? [11:04] davmor2: no, it's being re-written [11:05] and it's got a silly new name [11:05] hug mhb nicely and he might make the KDE frontend for it [11:10] Riddell: np as long as you knew it was missing :) [11:22] kaffeine started to segfault today, is this already known ? [11:24] aantipop: nope [11:25] kaffeine --verbose does not give any more information [11:25] i am using standard xine backend [11:26] so should i file a bug ? i cant give any more information beside kaffeine segfaults with everything up to date [11:27] aantipop: please do [11:27] although it works from today's live CD so it might not be easy to recreate [11:27] any information i should add ? [11:28] is the graphics card driver / sound card or such relevant ? [11:31] aantipop: try installing xine-ui and seeing if that runs [11:33] works [11:33] humbug [11:33] i have video playback there [11:35] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/187287 [11:35] Launchpad bug 187287 in kaffeine "kaffeine segfaults" [Undecided,New] [11:36] anything else i could do to find the reason ? [11:38] install the debug packages and get a backtrace [11:38] doing this at the moment [11:41] riddell: sorry, i asked in other channels, but how do i create a backtrace :/ ? [11:42] gdb kaffine [11:42] args --nofork [11:42] run [11:42] bt [11:43] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Backtrace may help [11:52] no idea if i have dont it the right way..i attached it to the bug-report [11:53] PARIS (AFP) — The French paramilitary police force said Wednesday it is ditching Microsoft for the free Linux operating system, becoming one of the biggest administrations in the world to make the break. [11:55] hmm got to go now..bye [12:05] cheguevara: french.. so it is mandriva.. [12:06] cheguevara: The French Parliament opts for Kubuntu, AFAIK [12:06] So it's not that 1:1 [12:07] nop [12:07] The gendarmerie's 70,000 desktops currently use Microsoft's Windows XP operating system. But these will progressively change over to the Linux system distributed by Ubuntu, explained Colonel Nicolas Geraud, deputy director of the gendarmerie's IT department [12:24] someone running konversation here? [12:26] Hobbsee: I do. [12:26] me too [12:26] can you tell me what the default value for double clicking on a nick is? [12:27] open a private chan with that nick [12:27] Hobbsee: That opens a private chat with the guy here. [12:27] hunger: sorry, but what's the syntax? [12:28] * Hobbsee changed it, and now doesn't know how to get back to the original behaviour [12:28] Hobbsee: Syntax? [12:28] /msg $nick ? [12:28] flipstar: i think it was longer than that - i tried that [12:29] Hobbsee: I have this in my config: /QUERY %u%n [12:29] Hobbsee: That is in settings->Behavior->Nickname List->Command to exec on double click. [12:30] hunger: ah, thanks a lot. i was missing the %n [12:31] yay, works again now :) [12:31] Hobbsee: You should really ask that kind of questions on #kubuntu... this is a devel channel after all. [12:31] Hobbsee: Sorry, couldn't resist;-) [12:33] hunger: which would require joining it, yes. [12:33] * Hobbsee beats hunger with a large pole [12:33] * hunger grins. Sorry I just could not resist to tell a dev to go to a different channel;-) [12:34] Hobbsee: By the way: Switching to gentoo for a couple of days made me a happy ubuntu user again:-) [12:34] hehe [12:35] mornin' [12:35] feelin' a tad bit better today, but still not all that well :/ [12:35] nixternal: Morning. [12:36] Riddell: I will work up the release notes today [12:37] nixternal: ooh, rocking. I've put bullet points there, let me know if you need me to explain anything [12:41] roger that === \sh_away is now known as \sh [13:14] riddell: kaffeine works again. i cant explain why..i did not reboot or update. should i set the bug to invalid ? [13:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey, I will try to mock something up by tomorrow, havent really gotten there yet :( [13:30] _StefanS_: no worries [13:30] <_StefanS_> I wonder what those 200+mb updates did to my hardy instalk... seems like nothing changed :D [13:32] _StefanS_: Half the time, they're fixing little build errors. I just love it when I have to redownload OpenOffice. They did fix a KDE3 bug for me finally, though [13:41] <_StefanS_> Artimus: hope it was a nasty one :) [13:41] Yeah. All of the kcontrol entries got thrown into Lost+Found [13:41] Riddell: would there be any issues by adding StartupNotify=true to the KDE Edu .desktop files? It seems w/o it that on the ClassmatePCs using Gnome, they don't know if the app has started or not and tend to timeout [13:45] * ryanakca grumbles and mutters about power outages. [13:51] jjesse: is it cold there this morning? [13:52] -1f or -18c here this morning..with windchill we are currently -25f or -31c [13:52] brrr it is cold [13:52] same here.. cold... 84.0F... [13:52] haha [13:52] having a cold+flu right now sucks [13:53] having a cold+flu sucks anytime... :( [13:54] hope you get well soon... [13:54] like in an hour or so [13:54] Broken menu entries are annoying... People will have to redownload a package for something so petty... [13:54] I am getting better today at least [13:54] but it seems in the morning I am fine, and then it gets worse right before the evening [13:55] jjesse: did you hear I am working on the book now too? when is your deadline btw? Mine is in like 3 weeks [13:55] nixternal: hmm, that sounds like a gnome bug to me [13:56] Riddell: any ideas on how we could fix it or at least help in fixing it? or should we point the finger at gnome and see if they can fix it? [13:57] nixternal: is it a recent issue? does it only affect classmate pc? what does adding that actually change? [13:57] it seems it only effects the classmate because of its limited resources according to ogra [13:59] so what's the difference that makes it necessary? [13:59] nixternal: what are you doing for the book? [13:59] edubuntu :p [13:59] nice [13:59] how's the weather in good ole chi town? [13:59] cold [13:59] sunny though [13:59] i have a week or so though [14:00] its still snowy and blowing and cold [14:00] probably lake effect [14:00] we probably only got about an inch or so [14:00] Riddell: I am trying to get ogra now to ask him [14:00] its freakin cold as well, -15 F w/ the wind [14:02] * ryanakca grumbles at libqt4-dev being broken in debian [14:02] ryanakca: better do that in #debian-qt-kde [14:02] maybe no tho [14:02] Riddell: he said that by adding it, it makes the gnome desktop notification work [14:03] I am getting more and more confused here :) [14:03] 08:03:00 [ ogra] nixternal, if the app is faster than the timeout the notification lib gives feedback and switches the cursor ... else it stays until timeout [14:03] 08:03:19 [ ogra] on classmate thats critical because apps definately exhaust the timeout [14:03] Riddell: ^^ [14:04] so adding that makes it not timeout? [14:04] according to him, yes [14:04] jpatrick: they already know... its due to someone breaking a dependency's dependency or something or other. [14:04] nixternal: well if it affects all apps it sounds like they should adjust their timeout rather than edit all apps [14:04] ryanakca: I know ;) [14:07] have you all ever treid the powerpc alternate cd of kubuntu, yestoday and today's both fail to install, due to the cdrom module [14:08] 08:06:35 [ ogra] nixternal, what do i gain by adjusting the timeout to something thats never fired up ? [14:08] 08:07:01 [ ogra] the missing var keeps startup niotification from firing at all [14:08] 08:07:19 [ ogra] which means no feedback at all for a click [14:08] Riddell: ^^ [14:08] maybe you should talk directly to ogra? I hope I am not confusing the situation [14:18] hmm [14:18] there's a new tool in town [14:20] which is? [14:21] http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=kde-style-domino [14:22] now, let's see if I can get it through :) [14:23] jpatrick: ask upload in #debian-qt-kde [14:24] freeflying: done === DasKreech_ is now known as dasKreech === davies is now known as jpatrick [14:35] Hi Mez [14:36] hi dasKreech [14:41] nixternal in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha4/Kubuntu you say that kubuntu have a new wallaper, is this http://people.brandeis.edu/~ykozlov//temp/hardy.png ? if is true, is the default wallpaper for kubuntu hardy? (I like it a lot) [14:42] afiestas: well [14:42] afiestas: it may not be the default in the final release [14:43] afiestas: but it's the default in Hardy now [14:46] oks nice [14:55] mhb: yes, that is the current default wallpapaer for Hardy [14:55] I am using it for KDE 4 too, I really like it [14:56] I would love to know how that guy does that stuff...simply amazing... [14:58] Finally what network managment solution will have kubuntu hardy? Yesterday I talk with Riddell about networkmanager 0.7 and knetworkmanager etc [14:58] I'm a bit confused and worried about it :/ [15:00] jpatrick: ? there's already a kde-style-domino in the repos .. 0.4-0ubuntu1 in universe/kde [15:01] afiestas: if n-m 0.7 has new features and works well then we'll use that, otherwise 0.6 [15:01] knetworkmangler is just a frontend to networkmangler [15:01] gribelu_: yes, that's my package in Kubuntu, now I'm putting it into Debian [15:01] ah sorry [15:01] thought you wanted to get it FROM debian [15:01] Riddell: I hear good things about the new coffee machine in london [15:01] I thought I heard that networkmangler 0.7 still has some issues being worked out (didn't someone just post a picture on the planet with people having connection issues at canonical :) [15:02] I know that nixternal the problem is that knetworkmanager isn't update to networkmanager 0.7 :/ [15:02] have to wait and see what suse does with knetworkmangler [15:02] Riddell the new features of networkmanager 0.7 are a few basic thinks like static ip, static dns etc [15:02] does it still not work?:) [15:03] it has typically always worked for me [15:03] right now I am not happy with the kernel drivers for broadcom cards and was quite happy with ndiswrapper...I will probably switch back one of these days when I am not so lazy :) [15:04] hmm for me it keeps disconnecting me etc .. on a wireless device [15:04] and networkmanager is the only option? [15:05] for example my girlgriend use mandriva because she needs a static ip, and mandriva have a different daemon called "netApplet" I think [15:05] I use static IP at home [15:05] with networkmangler [15:06] and wpa? how? [15:06] I try it a lot of times :/ [15:06] manual configuration [15:06] no wpa [15:07] i'm using a manual configuration for the wireless.. but sometimes i get disconnected from the router and it never reconnects unless i do it [15:07] but it happends more often with networkmanager [15:07] so i guess the drivers aren't all that good either [15:08] yes but that's problem, wpa is anywhere.... [15:08] dasKreech: coffee machine? [15:08] nixternal: i think you can use wpa if you use wpa_supplicant or whatever it's called [15:08] no need for wpa, I use only open wifi [15:09] plus it only takes a few seconds to crack wpa anyways, so it is useless [15:09] nixternal: suse factory has a knetworkmanager with 0.7 in the version, it needs to be tested with the packages in asac's PPA [15:09] :) [15:09] groovy Riddell [15:09] if one would ever care to crack it [15:09] dasKreech: oh did you ever get the kubuntu group photo from the release event? === flipstar_ is now known as flipstar [15:10] Well I have the camera over there ---? [15:10] -----> === czessi_ is now known as Czessi [15:11] dasKreech: ooh let's see [15:12] hi freeflyi1g, new chinese paragraph on http://kubuntu.org/support2.php [15:12] wait, you're in .de? [15:12] ryanakca: mate, you're not the only one with Debian broken package problems :D [15:12] nixternal: same deal as jjesse I'm open for proofreading [15:14] groovy, thanks [15:14] I think my head is going to explode [15:15] That's a fake nixternal. WPA has been demonstrated to be secure, being only affected by brute force attacks. [15:15] So, don't tell me that it's something useless because currently WPA is the only way for a normal user to keep a wireless channel secure. [15:16] come to Chicago, I will introduce you to red_herring (RJ) and you can watch him circumvent any wireless security in seconds [15:16] The protocol that has been proved to be insecure is WEP, and yet attacking WEP isn't so easy when the scenario is not ideal, just as the tutorials say [15:16] he is sick [15:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access#Security_in_pre-shared_key_mode [15:17] nixternal: Bet he can't do WEP2 with my stuff on it :) [15:17] if it can be hacked, he will do it === freeflyi2g is now known as freeflying [15:20] it's just that you cannot talk without knowing the matter. [15:21] afiestas: there's actually "ideal" scenarios these days with WEP? [15:21] afiestas: I've used wesside-ng to crack all the WEP AP's reachable from my house, single command [15:22] the new methods these days make it trivial even if there's nobody on the AP at all [15:22] heck even the ARP packets can be forged [15:22] :/ i'm outdated on this [15:22] nixternal: review board [15:23] nixternal: (is the new tool in town) [15:23] gotta link? [15:23] http://review-board.org/ [15:23] afiestas: yeah, before there were lots of required circumstances to crack WEP. Now... there really isn't any except that you need a good signal reach to the victim to send a few thousand packets over a minute. [15:25] Code reviews are fun again! ...almost. [15:25] hahaha [15:25] more reasons for kubuntu to support WPA [15:25] ... [15:25] kubuntu *does* support wpa, last i checked. [15:26] (a good support for wpa) [15:26] afiestas: which card are you using? [15:26] Hobbsee networkmanager 0.6 (that is used in kubuntu) don't support static ip [15:26] oh, meh. you didn't specify that. [15:26] networkmanager is kind of bad in this [15:26] wpa_supplicant custom config rules. [15:26] afiestas: I've used WPA with Kubuntu since Edgy, so no idea what you mean. [15:26] yes, sorry :/ I don't have a good english ._. [15:27] ScottK: static IP's would be a rpoblem though [15:27] Hobbsee: True. [15:27] * ScottK tries. === hunger_t_ is now known as hunger [15:28] I'm talking about the support networkmanager has for static ips, and if I remember correctly kubuntu is unable to switch between roaming and manual modes [15:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/125767 [15:28] Launchpad bug 125767 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager Can't Set "Roaming Mode"" [Medium,Confirmed] [15:29]