[00:20] <tekteen> anyone know of a guide to python and qt
[00:21] <tekteen> ?
[00:22] <Riddell> http://www.qtrac.eu/pyqtbook.html
[00:22] <tekteen> thanks
[00:22] <tekteen> It is a book?
[00:23] <Riddell> yes
[00:23] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay/PyKDE
[00:24] <tekteen> thanks
[00:24] <tekteen> I want to learn to be a kubuntu developer
[00:24] <Riddell> tekteen: excellent!
[00:24] <tekteen> what would you recommend?
[00:25] <tekteen> is python/qt a good choice?
[00:25] <Riddell> the best
[00:25] <tekteen> kool
[00:25] <tekteen> thanks
[00:25] <Riddell> although the documentation isn't as complete as c++, but you can usually convert things
[00:26] <tekteen> ok
[00:26] <tekteen> I have played with c, python, and bash (as a programming language)
[00:27] <tekteen> bye
[00:35] <afiestas> will be networkmanager 0.7 ready for hardy? I search in lists/forums/etc and I don't found any info about timming (also I search in networkmanager lists)
[00:35] <mhb> afiestas: judging by the fellow ubuntuers' blog posts, I guess it will be.
[00:37] <Riddell> asac seems to think it would be, the trouble is knetworkmanager 0.7 isn't
[00:38] <afiestas> mm iirc opensuse mantains the knetworkmanager
[00:38] <cheguevara> yep
[00:38] <afiestas> and the next release of opensuse will have networkmanager 0.7
[00:39] <cheguevara> a port for KDE 4 would be nice as well
[00:39] <afiestas> Riddell did you talk with opensuse mantainers about it?
[00:40] <Riddell> afiestas: yes, and I don't think they've started on it yet
[00:40] <Riddell> kde 4 port is after
[00:41] <cheguevara> kde 4 port should be easy
[00:41] <Riddell> it's another rewrite (to solid)
[00:41] <cheguevara> since the backend is already there (solid)
[00:41]  * Riddell spots http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/NetworkManager-kde-0.7r759902-10.src.rpm
[00:42] <mhb> transparency at its finest.
[00:42] <cheguevara> last change in svn is 6 weeks ago
[00:43] <afiestas> cheguevara in solid backend or in knetworkmanager 0.7?
[00:43] <cheguevara> knetworkmanager
[00:48] <Riddell> well if someone want to try that with n-m from https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive please do
[00:55] <yuriy> mornfall: would it be possible to do partial matches just on package names?
[00:56] <mornfall> yuriy: Not sure, depends whether the names are tagged somehow in xapian, but I somewhat doubt that.
[00:57] <mornfall> Lemme finish a mail, then I'll check that and then I'll crash to bed.
[01:01] <mornfall> yuriy: Okey, it seems they are tagged somehow, so that could be achievable. I'm off till weekend, but when I get back, I'll check with Enrico on how to do that best.
[01:19] <afiestas> Riddell you know the mandriva "netApplet" ?
[01:20] <afiestas> I'm searching the subversion now, but I'm sure that it isn't integrate with "drakePanel" etc etc
[01:20] <afiestas> and it is spllt in a daemon/client
[01:21] <afiestas> I'm searching the licence but it should be gpl compatible
[01:22] <jjesse> evening
[01:22] <jjesse> wow michigan weather is crazy
[01:25] <jjesse> wow
[01:30] <afiestas> Riddell change the network daemon is an option? or the only way is do something with network-manager?
[01:39] <jjesse> anyone else having problems with us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[03:37]  * yuriy sticks the hardy cd in his laptop
[03:40] <yuriy> whoa funky wallpaper
[03:40] <yuriy> but.. kde3? is the kde4 cd somewhere else or not yet existent?
[03:42] <yuriy> btw the cdimage page says "Kubuntu 8.04 *LTS*"
[03:51] <yuriy> "the installation needs to remove operating system files from the target install, but was unable to do so. the installer cannot continue"
[03:52] <Hobbsee> yuriy: screenshot?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> of the funky wallpaper?
[03:52] <yuriy> Hobbsee: clicked ok before thinking :-\
[03:52] <yuriy> oh
[03:52] <yuriy> funky in a good way
[03:55] <yuriy> Hobbsee: http://www.yktech.us/temp/hardy.png
[03:56] <Hobbsee> yuriy: strange :)
[03:59] <yuriy> looks like it did delete most of the stuff on the partition
[04:02] <yuriy> screenshot of the error: http://www.yktech.us/temp/hardyinstallerror.png
[04:13] <DasKreech> Jucato: Heya
[04:15] <DasKreech> yuriy: Would the KDE4 install Cd install OO.o ?
[04:15] <yuriy> DasKreech: what kde4 install cd?
[04:15] <yuriy> I haven't found one
[04:16] <DasKreech> I know it doesn't exist yet. I just wanted to know would it be Kubuntu KDE4 or KDE4 on a kubuntu base ?
[04:16] <yuriy> oh as in openoffice
[04:17] <yuriy> i think it would since koffice2 is still not available
[04:17] <yuriy> though kword in the alpha works nicely
[04:17] <DasKreech> !info mp3blaster
[04:17] <ubotu> mp3blaster (source: mp3blaster): Full-screen console mp3 and Ogg Vorbis player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.2.3-3 (gutsy), package size 200 kB, installed size 656 kB
[04:17] <DasKreech> Sweet :)
[04:19] <Jucato> yo DasKreech
[04:20] <DasKreech> Jucato: Hopefully soon I'll be missing Basket :)
[04:20] <Jucato> oh... KDE4?
[04:21] <Jucato> soon, you'll be porting it to KDE4 :)
[04:22] <DasKreech> Well there are three guys working on it
[04:22] <DasKreech> Just .. you know .. FOSS happens on spare time
[04:23] <Jucato> spare tires...
[04:27] <DasKreech> That too sometimes
[04:29] <DasKreech> though the spare time normally works out better
[04:38] <DasKreech> Jucato: went through the release party yet?
[04:39] <Jucato> hm?
[04:39] <DasKreech> Videos on Video.google.com
[04:42] <Jucato> ah no
[04:42] <Jucato> only aseigo's
[04:44] <DasKreech> Of course :)
[04:45] <DasKreech> I'll admit to cherry picking as well
[04:51] <yuriy> wow same error on the alternate cd
[05:01] <DasKreech> seele: You lost out on the big cash prize?
[05:09] <DasKreech> Jucato: Check out the LinuxMCE one
[05:57] <DasKreech> Jucato:
[05:57] <DasKreech> So what's up?
[05:57] <Jucato> yes?
[05:58] <DasKreech> Been out of the loop for  a while
[05:58] <DasKreech> how are you?
[05:58] <DasKreech> you were sick last time I spoke to you
[05:58] <Jucato> doing fine. I'm sort of trying to unwind right now
[05:58] <Jucato> and moving on with my C++ studies
[05:59] <DasKreech> what had you wound up ?
[06:02] <Jucato> (see my blog :P)
[06:03] <DasKreech> I'm so behind on reading too
[06:03] <DasKreech> I'm like 3 weeks out on the Digest and like 5 for Distrowatch
[06:03] <Jucato> :P
[06:03] <DasKreech> like 4 months for planet mozilla and a month on planet KDE :(
[06:05] <Jucato> hehe I don't keep up with that much info :)
[06:05] <DasKreech> Wait Publisher?
[06:12] <DasKreech> you were working with that spawn? :)
[06:17] <Jucato> :)
[06:17] <Jucato> <-- goes to nap..
[06:19] <DasKreech> Bah
[06:19] <DasKreech> well guess I'll sleep then
[06:31] <yuriy> installed hardy from alpha 3 and upgraded. kdm troubles now
[06:31] <DasKreech> yuriy: hmm someone in #kubuntu is having the same
[06:31] <DasKreech> eatThisandDIE
[06:32] <yuriy> DasKreech: password?
[06:32] <DasKreech> yuriy: to?
[06:32] <yuriy> DasKreech: i mean, what was that ^^
[06:32] <DasKreech> The person who whas having KDM issues
[06:32] <DasKreech> It's IRC sometimes I ask sometimes I don't
[06:35] <yuriy> DasKreech: i guess it's just jjesse who keeps putting his password in chan :D
[06:36] <DasKreech> In this chan maybe :)
[06:36] <DasKreech> I've been in chans where it seems endemic
[06:37] <yuriy> heh somebody mentioned 2 batteries before i think
[06:48] <DasKreech> yuriy: Another one popped in
[06:48] <DasKreech> davedorm
[06:52] <yuriy> DasKreech: my problem is different from DaveDorm's. anyways, gn, i installed gdm for now, maybe i'll deal with it tomorrow
[06:53] <DasKreech> yuriy: XDM :)
[07:05] <DasKreech> Night all
[07:05] <DasKreech> Hobbsee: ping
[07:05] <Hobbsee> DasKreech: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[07:05]  * DasKreech rolls eyes
[07:05] <DasKreech> Hobbsee: ping Do you know if there is streaming from the event down there .. umm down under?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> DasKreech: no idea
[07:07] <DasKreech> damn
[07:07] <Hobbsee> ooh, contentlessping.pl works :)
[07:07] <Hobbsee> probably
[07:07] <DasKreech> Aseigo is giving a talk and I don't even know what conference it is
[07:07] <Hobbsee> lca?
[07:08] <DasKreech> What's that?
[07:08] <DasKreech> Googling it just gives me aaron's blog saying he's at it :)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> linux conf au
[07:10] <DasKreech> just got it :)
[07:12] <Jucato> linux.conf.au
[07:14] <DasKreech> Hmm
[07:14] <DasKreech> HP sponsors it they better have streaming :(
[07:16] <Jucato> his talk is still on thursday (and it's still Wednesday even in .au)
[07:16] <DasKreech> I know
[07:16] <Jucato> hm.. plasma talk...
[07:31] <DasKreech> :)
[07:31] <DasKreech> Well night all
[09:59] <emu> Are the Release-Notes for Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 4 already available?
[10:00] <emu> I`m working on the German translation and would like to have the basis for this.
[10:07] <Riddell> emu: no, nothing has been written
[10:08] <emu> Riddell: Do you know where I could get the Information about, what _should_ be in the Release-Notes for Kubuntu?
[10:10] <davmor2> Riddell: Is it safe to start testing kub?  Are there any major updates in the pipeline?
[10:13] <Riddell> emu: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha4/Kubuntu
[10:13] <Riddell> davmor2: yes, please do
[10:13] <davmor2> okay cool :)
[10:13] <emu> Riddell: THX
[10:14] <effie_jayx> Riddell, ping
[10:16] <Riddell> davmor2: which one are you starting with?
[10:16] <Riddell> hi effie_jayx
[10:17] <davmor2> Riddell:  64bit live
[10:17] <Riddell> davmor2: ok, I'll try 32bit live
[10:19] <effie_jayx> Riddell,  hey I just started contributing to motu and I found and easy but to fix. it's a manpage tittle in kdepim https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/180141 . I have fixed the bug and I am trying to test build it and it won't build due to unmet deps . My little knowledges doesn't help. I was wondering if you can share some ideas...
[10:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180141 in kdepim "Typo in man page" [Low,In progress]
[10:22] <Riddell> effie_jayx: install the missing depends?
[10:22] <Riddell> effie_jayx: but kmailcvt --help says "filters" and I presume it knows what it does
[10:23] <effie_jayx> Riddell,  the test build fails due to unmet deps, from what I and other people in #ubuntu-motu have been telling me...  kde-pim compiles into different binary packages, one it's called kdepim-kresources, where the kabc_*.so sits and also the libscalix.so.0 lib
[10:24] <effie_jayx> Riddell,  I didn't triage the bug, but it was confirmed and marked as bitesize for noobs like me to play with :S
[10:27] <Riddell> effie_jayx: you need to pastebin the error else I won't know what wrong
[10:28] <effie_jayx> Riddell,  http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/53933/
[10:30] <Riddell> effie_jayx: hrm, dunno, nasty linker error
[10:30] <Riddell> effie_jayx: did you have all the build-depends installed?
[10:30] <Riddell> effie_jayx: however I'm pretty confident that bug is invalid, the program is an import filter
[10:31] <effie_jayx> Riddell, I think I did
[10:32] <effie_jayx> Riddell, pbuilder got all the deps acording t what the package suggested
[10:33] <effie_jayx> Riddell,  It is strange beause I pick the bug and it was confirmed ...
[10:33]  * effie_jayx thinks it must have been tagged just by the easiness of it
[10:33] <effie_jayx> Riddell,  I'll close it
[10:36] <effie_jayx> Thanks Riddell
[10:42] <mhb> good morning.
[10:49] <davmor2> Riddell: this may take a while fscking gvfs ;)
[10:58] <davmor2> Riddell: no restricted device manager again ?
[11:04] <Riddell> davmor2: no, it's being re-written
[11:05] <Riddell> and it's got a silly new name
[11:05] <Riddell> hug mhb nicely and he might make the KDE frontend for it
[11:10] <davmor2> Riddell: np as long as you knew it was missing :)
[11:22] <aantipop> kaffeine started to segfault today, is this already known ?
[11:24] <Riddell> aantipop: nope
[11:25] <aantipop> kaffeine --verbose does not give any more information
[11:25] <aantipop> i am using standard xine backend
[11:26] <aantipop> so should i file a bug ? i cant give any more information beside kaffeine segfaults with everything up to date
[11:27] <Riddell> aantipop: please do
[11:27] <Riddell> although it works from today's live CD so it might not be easy to recreate
[11:27] <aantipop> any information i should add ?
[11:28] <aantipop> is the graphics card driver / sound card or such relevant ?
[11:31] <Riddell> aantipop: try installing xine-ui and seeing if that runs
[11:33] <aantipop> works
[11:33] <Riddell> humbug
[11:33] <aantipop> i have video playback there
[11:35] <aantipop> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/187287
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187287 in kaffeine "kaffeine segfaults" [Undecided,New]
[11:36] <aantipop> anything else i could do to find the reason ?
[11:38] <Riddell> install the debug packages and get a backtrace
[11:38] <aantipop> doing this at the moment
[11:41] <aantipop> riddell: sorry, i asked in other channels, but how do i create a backtrace :/ ?
[11:42] <Riddell> gdb kaffine
[11:42] <Riddell> args --nofork
[11:42] <Riddell> run
[11:42] <Riddell> bt
[11:43] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Backtrace may help
[11:52] <aantipop> no idea if i have dont it the right way..i attached it to the bug-report
[11:53] <cheguevara> PARIS (AFP) — The French paramilitary police force said Wednesday it is ditching Microsoft for the free Linux operating system, becoming one of the biggest administrations in the world to make the break.
[11:55] <aantipop> hmm got to go now..bye
[12:05] <iRon> cheguevara: french.. so it is mandriva..
[12:06] <sebas> cheguevara: The French Parliament opts for Kubuntu, AFAIK
[12:06] <sebas> So it's not that 1:1
[12:07] <cheguevara> nop
[12:07] <cheguevara> The gendarmerie's 70,000 desktops currently use Microsoft's Windows XP operating system. But these will progressively change over to the Linux system distributed by Ubuntu, explained Colonel Nicolas Geraud, deputy director of the gendarmerie's IT department
[12:24] <Hobbsee> someone running konversation here?
[12:26] <hunger> Hobbsee: I do.
[12:26] <flipstar> me too
[12:26] <Hobbsee> can you tell me what the default value for double clicking on a nick is?
[12:27] <flipstar> open a private chan with that nick
[12:27] <hunger> Hobbsee: That opens a private chat with the guy here.
[12:27] <Hobbsee> hunger: sorry, but what's the syntax?
[12:28]  * Hobbsee changed it, and now doesn't know how to get back to the original behaviour
[12:28] <hunger> Hobbsee: Syntax?
[12:28] <flipstar>  /msg $nick ?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> flipstar: i think it was longer than that - i tried that
[12:29] <hunger> Hobbsee: I have this in my config: /QUERY %u%n
[12:29] <hunger> Hobbsee: That is in settings->Behavior->Nickname List->Command to exec on double click.
[12:30] <Hobbsee> hunger: ah, thanks a lot.  i was missing the %n
[12:31] <Hobbsee> yay, works again now :)
[12:31] <hunger> Hobbsee: You should really ask that kind of questions on #kubuntu... this is a devel channel after all.
[12:31] <hunger> Hobbsee: Sorry, couldn't resist;-)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hunger: which would require joining it, yes.
[12:33]  * Hobbsee beats hunger with a large pole
[12:33]  * hunger grins. Sorry I just could not resist to tell a dev to go to a different channel;-)
[12:34] <hunger> Hobbsee: By the way: Switching to gentoo for a couple of days made me a happy ubuntu user again:-)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:35] <nixternal> mornin'
[12:35] <nixternal> feelin' a tad bit better today, but still not all that well :/
[12:35] <hunger> nixternal: Morning.
[12:36] <nixternal> Riddell: I will work up the release notes today
[12:37] <Riddell> nixternal: ooh, rocking.  I've put bullet points there, let me know if you need me to explain anything
[12:41] <nixternal> roger that
[13:14] <aantipop> riddell: kaffeine works again. i cant explain why..i did not reboot or update. should i set the bug to invalid ?
[13:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey, I will try to mock something up by tomorrow, havent really gotten there yet :(
[13:30] <kwwii> _StefanS_: no worries
[13:30] <_StefanS_> I wonder what those 200+mb updates did to my hardy instalk... seems like nothing changed :D
[13:32] <Artimus> _StefanS_: Half the time, they're fixing little build errors.  I just love it when I have to redownload OpenOffice.  They did fix a KDE3 bug for me finally, though
[13:41] <_StefanS_> Artimus: hope it was a nasty one :)
[13:41] <Artimus> Yeah.  All of the kcontrol entries got thrown into Lost+Found
[13:41] <nixternal> Riddell: would there be any issues by adding StartupNotify=true to the KDE Edu .desktop files? It seems w/o it that on the ClassmatePCs using Gnome, they don't know if the app has started or not and tend to timeout
[13:45]  * ryanakca grumbles and mutters about power outages.
[13:51] <nixternal> jjesse: is it cold there this morning?
[13:52] <nixternal> -1f or -18c here this morning..with windchill we are currently -25f or -31c
[13:52] <nixternal> brrr it is cold
[13:52] <Jucato> same here.. cold... 84.0F...
[13:52] <nixternal> haha
[13:52] <nixternal> having a cold+flu right now sucks
[13:53] <Jucato> having a cold+flu sucks anytime... :(
[13:54] <Jucato> hope you get well soon...
[13:54] <Jucato> like in an hour or so
[13:54] <Artimus> Broken menu entries are annoying...  People will have to redownload a package for something so petty...
[13:54] <nixternal> I am getting better today at least
[13:54] <nixternal> but it seems in the morning I am fine, and then it gets worse right before the evening
[13:55] <nixternal> jjesse: did you hear I am working on the book now too? when is your deadline btw? Mine is in like 3 weeks
[13:55] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm, that sounds like a gnome bug to me
[13:56] <nixternal> Riddell: any ideas on how we could fix it or at least help in fixing it? or should we point the finger at gnome and see if they can fix it?
[13:57] <Riddell> nixternal: is it a recent issue?  does it only affect classmate pc?  what does adding that actually change?
[13:57] <nixternal> it seems it only effects the classmate because of its limited resources according to ogra
[13:59] <Riddell> so what's the difference that makes it necessary?
[13:59] <jjesse> nixternal: what are you doing for the book?
[13:59] <nixternal> edubuntu :p
[13:59] <jjesse> nice
[13:59] <jjesse> how's the weather in good ole chi town?
[13:59] <nixternal> cold
[13:59] <nixternal> sunny though
[13:59] <jjesse> i have a week or so though
[14:00] <jjesse> its still snowy and blowing and cold
[14:00] <nixternal> probably lake effect
[14:00] <nixternal> we probably only got about an inch or so
[14:00] <nixternal> Riddell: I am trying to get ogra now to ask him
[14:00] <jjesse> its freakin cold as well, -15 F w/ the wind
[14:02]  * ryanakca grumbles at libqt4-dev being broken in debian
[14:02] <jpatrick> ryanakca: better do that in #debian-qt-kde
[14:02] <jpatrick> maybe no tho
[14:02] <nixternal> Riddell: he said that by adding it, it makes the gnome desktop notification work
[14:03] <nixternal> I am getting more and more confused here :)
[14:03] <nixternal> 08:03:00 [      ogra] nixternal, if the app is faster than the timeout the notification lib gives feedback and switches the cursor ... else it stays until timeout
[14:03] <nixternal> 08:03:19 [      ogra] on classmate thats critical because apps definately exhaust the timeout
[14:03] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^
[14:04] <Riddell> so adding that makes it not timeout?
[14:04] <nixternal> according to him, yes
[14:04] <ryanakca> jpatrick: they already know... its due to someone breaking a dependency's dependency or something or other.
[14:04] <Riddell> nixternal: well if it affects all apps it sounds like they should adjust their timeout rather than edit all apps
[14:04] <jpatrick> ryanakca: I know ;)
[14:07] <freeflying> have you all ever treid the powerpc alternate cd of kubuntu, yestoday and today's both fail to install, due to the cdrom module
[14:08] <nixternal> 08:06:35 [      ogra] nixternal, what do i gain by adjusting the timeout to something thats never fired up ?
[14:08] <nixternal> 08:07:01 [      ogra] the missing var keeps startup niotification from firing at all
[14:08] <nixternal> 08:07:19 [      ogra] which means no feedback at all for a click
[14:08] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^
[14:08] <nixternal> maybe you should talk directly to ogra? I hope I am not confusing the situation
[14:18] <mhb> hmm
[14:18] <mhb> there's a new tool in town
[14:20] <nixternal> which is?
[14:21] <jpatrick> http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=kde-style-domino
[14:22] <jpatrick> now, let's see if I can get it through :)
[14:23] <freeflying> jpatrick: ask upload in #debian-qt-kde
[14:24] <jpatrick> freeflying: done
[14:35] <dasKreech> Hi Mez
[14:36] <Mez> hi dasKreech
[14:41] <afiestas> nixternal in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha4/Kubuntu you say that kubuntu have a new wallaper, is this http://people.brandeis.edu/~ykozlov//temp/hardy.png ? if is true, is the default wallpaper for kubuntu hardy? (I like it a lot)
[14:42] <mhb> afiestas: well
[14:42] <mhb> afiestas: it may not be the default in the final release
[14:43] <mhb> afiestas: but it's the default in Hardy now
[14:46] <afiestas> oks nice
[14:55] <kwwii> mhb: yes, that is the current default wallpapaer for Hardy
[14:55] <nixternal> I am using it for KDE 4 too, I really like it
[14:56] <nixternal> I would love to know how that guy does that stuff...simply amazing...
[14:58] <afiestas> Finally what network managment solution will have kubuntu hardy? Yesterday I talk with Riddell about networkmanager 0.7 and knetworkmanager etc
[14:58] <afiestas> I'm a bit confused and worried about it :/
[15:00] <gribelu_> jpatrick: ? there's already a kde-style-domino in the repos .. 0.4-0ubuntu1 in universe/kde
[15:01] <Riddell> afiestas: if n-m 0.7 has new features and works well then we'll use that, otherwise 0.6
[15:01] <nixternal> knetworkmangler is just a frontend to networkmangler
[15:01] <jpatrick> gribelu_: yes, that's my package in Kubuntu, now I'm putting it into Debian
[15:01] <gribelu_> ah sorry
[15:01] <gribelu_> thought you wanted to get it FROM debian
[15:01] <dasKreech> Riddell: I hear good things about the new coffee machine in london
[15:01] <nixternal> I thought I heard that networkmangler 0.7 still has some issues being worked out (didn't someone just post a picture on the planet with people having connection issues at canonical :)
[15:02] <afiestas> I know that nixternal the problem is that knetworkmanager isn't update to networkmanager 0.7 :/
[15:02] <nixternal> have to wait and see what suse does with knetworkmangler
[15:02] <afiestas> Riddell the new features of networkmanager 0.7 are a few basic thinks like static ip, static dns etc
[15:02] <gribelu_> does it still not work?:)
[15:03] <nixternal> it has typically always worked for me
[15:03] <nixternal> right now I am not happy with the kernel drivers for broadcom cards and was quite happy with ndiswrapper...I will probably switch back one of these days when I am not so lazy :)
[15:04] <gribelu_> hmm for me it keeps disconnecting me etc .. on a wireless device
[15:04] <afiestas> and networkmanager is the only option?
[15:05] <afiestas> for example my girlgriend use mandriva because she needs a static ip, and mandriva have a different daemon called "netApplet" I think
[15:05] <nixternal> I use static IP at home
[15:05] <nixternal> with networkmangler
[15:06] <afiestas> and wpa? how?
[15:06] <afiestas> I try it a lot of times :/
[15:06] <nixternal> manual configuration
[15:06] <nixternal> no wpa
[15:07] <gribelu_> i'm using a manual configuration for the wireless.. but sometimes i get disconnected from the router and it never reconnects unless i do it
[15:07] <gribelu_> but it happends more often with networkmanager
[15:07] <gribelu_> so i guess the drivers aren't all that good either
[15:08] <afiestas> yes but that's problem, wpa is anywhere....
[15:08] <Riddell> dasKreech: coffee machine?
[15:08] <gribelu_> nixternal: i think you can use wpa if you use wpa_supplicant or whatever it's called
[15:08] <nixternal> no need for wpa, I use only open wifi
[15:09] <nixternal> plus it only takes a few seconds to crack wpa anyways, so it is useless
[15:09] <Riddell> nixternal: suse factory has a knetworkmanager with 0.7 in the version, it needs to be tested with the packages in asac's PPA
[15:09] <gribelu_> :)
[15:09] <nixternal> groovy Riddell
[15:09] <gribelu_> if one would ever care to crack it
[15:09] <Riddell> dasKreech: oh did you ever get the kubuntu group photo from the release event?
[15:10] <dasKreech> Well I have the camera over there ---?
[15:10] <dasKreech> ----->
[15:11] <Riddell> dasKreech: ooh let's see
[15:12] <Riddell> hi freeflyi1g, new chinese paragraph on http://kubuntu.org/support2.php
[15:12] <Riddell> wait, you're in .de?
[15:12] <jpatrick> ryanakca: mate, you're not the only one with Debian broken package problems :D
[15:12] <dasKreech> nixternal: same deal as jjesse I'm open for proofreading
[15:14] <nixternal> groovy, thanks
[15:14] <nixternal> I think my head is going to explode
[15:15] <afiestas> That's a fake nixternal. WPA has been demonstrated to be secure, being only affected by brute force attacks.
[15:15] <afiestas> So, don't tell me that it's something useless because currently WPA is the only way for a normal user to keep a wireless channel secure.
[15:16] <nixternal> come to Chicago, I will introduce you to red_herring (RJ) and you can watch him circumvent any wireless security in seconds
[15:16] <afiestas> The protocol that has been proved to be insecure is WEP, and yet attacking WEP isn't so easy when the scenario is not ideal, just as the tutorials say
[15:16] <nixternal> he is sick
[15:16] <afiestas> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access#Security_in_pre-shared_key_mode
[15:17] <dasKreech> nixternal: Bet he can't do WEP2 with my stuff on it :)
[15:17] <nixternal> if it can be hacked, he will do it
[15:20] <afiestas> it's just that you cannot talk without knowing the matter.
[15:21] <jdong> afiestas: there's actually "ideal" scenarios these days with WEP?
[15:21] <jdong> afiestas: I've used wesside-ng to crack all the WEP AP's reachable from my house, single command
[15:22] <jdong> the new methods these days make it trivial even if there's nobody on the AP at all
[15:22] <jdong> heck even the ARP packets can be forged
[15:22] <afiestas> :/ i'm outdated on this
[15:22] <mhb> nixternal: review board
[15:23] <mhb> nixternal: (is the new tool in town)
[15:23] <nixternal> gotta link?
[15:23] <mhb> http://review-board.org/
[15:23] <jdong> afiestas: yeah, before there were lots of required circumstances to crack WEP. Now... there really isn't any except that you need a good signal reach to the victim to send a few thousand packets over a minute.
[15:25] <nixternal> Code reviews are fun again! ...almost.
[15:25] <nixternal> hahaha
[15:25] <afiestas> more reasons for kubuntu to support WPA
[15:25] <Hobbsee> ...
[15:25] <Hobbsee> kubuntu *does* support wpa, last i checked.
[15:26] <afiestas> (a good support for wpa)
[15:26] <Hobbsee> afiestas: which card are you using?
[15:26] <afiestas> Hobbsee networkmanager 0.6 (that is used in kubuntu) don't support static ip
[15:26] <Hobbsee> oh, meh.  you didn't specify that.
[15:26] <mhb> networkmanager is kind of bad in this
[15:26] <mhb> wpa_supplicant custom config rules.
[15:26] <ScottK> afiestas: I've used WPA with Kubuntu since Edgy, so no idea what you mean.
[15:26] <afiestas> yes, sorry :/ I don't have a good english ._.
[15:27] <Hobbsee> ScottK: static IP's would be a rpoblem though
[15:27] <ScottK> Hobbsee: True.
[15:27]  * ScottK tries.
[15:28] <afiestas> I'm talking about the support networkmanager has for static ips, and if I remember correctly kubuntu is unable to switch between roaming and manual modes
[15:28] <afiestas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/125767
[15:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125767 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager Can't Set "Roaming Mode"" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:29] <ScottK> This is true.
[15:29] <afiestas> this bug is reported by me
[15:29] <ScottK> I just use dhcp everywhere on my laptop with no trouble.
[15:29] <afiestas> I think
[15:29] <afiestas> not exactly me bug reporting has been marked as duplicated with this bug
[15:29] <afiestas> :/
[15:33] <nixternal> hrmm, kind of hard to do any iso testing when you can't install from any of the isos
[15:35] <ScottK> That would be a test.
[15:35] <nixternal> hehe
[15:35] <nixternal> and the test failed
[15:35] <ScottK> Yep
[15:35] <ScottK> Of course it's open to question was it a test of the ISO or the operator?
[15:35] <nixternal> ISO :p
[15:35] <nixternal> it has been happening all week now
[15:36] <Riddell> today's ISOs are broken during install
[15:36] <nixternal> more like "this weeks ISOs" :)
[15:37] <nixternal> I at least have the current Live CD running for screenshots
[15:37] <nixternal> how can I screenshot your printer config?
[15:37] <Riddell> nixternal: there's a picture on my blog
[15:40] <nixternal> ahh, so the new config only works for local printers, not network printers? ie. autorecognizing them
[15:40] <gribelu_> hey was kde 4.0.1 tagged yet?
[15:40] <nixternal> next week
[15:41] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, network printers should be autodetected normally though
[15:41] <nixternal> hrmm
[15:42] <Riddell> nixternal: tell people to run system-config-printer-kde to test it
[15:42] <nixternal> ahh
[15:42] <nixternal> that's what I was looking for :)
[15:42] <gribelu_> hum.. their schedule says january 30th 'tagging 4.0.1' and february 6 the release
[15:43] <nixternal> system-config-printer-applet-kde :)
[15:43] <nixternal> oh wow, today is the 30th
[15:43] <gribelu_> exactly
[15:43] <nixternal> man, I have been a week behind
[15:43] <gribelu_> i've been waiting for this day
[15:43] <nixternal> so it should be in the process of tagging now
[15:44]  * nixternal checks ktown
[15:44] <gribelu_> i'm hopping to see some bugs fixed.. the ones that annoy me anyway
[15:45] <nixternal> nope, looks like tagging hasn't started yet
[15:45] <gribelu_> i think it was originaly set for tagging on january 28
[15:45] <gribelu_> but was delayed
[15:53] <nixternal> Riddell: should I just be able to run system-config-printer-applet-kde just like any other app?
[15:57] <ryanakca> jpatrick: no?
[15:57] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, from the command line
[15:58] <nixternal> hrmm
[15:58] <Riddell> nixternal: but it won't do much until you plug in a printer or print something
[15:58] <nixternal> ahh
[15:58] <nixternal> my printer is a network printer
[15:58] <Riddell> nixternal: print something, see if it appears
[15:58] <nixternal> roger
[15:59] <jpatrick> ryanakca: http://dpaste.com/33152/ lovely
[16:00] <ryanakca> jpatrick: ooooh, hurray
[16:01] <jpatrick> ryanakca: fix uploaded I've been told tho
[16:01]  * ryanakca debates if he should upload his package to universe before debian since the deadline for syncs is supposedly comming soon
[16:01] <ryanakca> ooooh, goodies
[16:01] <hunger_t_> So I will end up with yet another taskbar thingy just so that if might find a printer at some point?
[16:01]  * ryanakca hopes it'll be approved/added to repos before the end of the day
[16:02] <ryanakca> ... but realises that that is probably quite unrealistic
[16:02]  * jpatrick hunts down ryanakca's package on revu
[16:04] <gribelu_> I have a problem. If i add any application shortcuts to my KDE4 panel, they don't work when i click them as in nothing launches. Does anyone else have the same problem? It used to work until some weeks ago and i kept hopping that it was a temporary bug with some package(s)
[16:05] <jpatrick> ryanakca: erm... what is it?
[16:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: grr, flash has stopped working for me today in hardy
[16:12] <gribelu_> Riddell: works fine for me.. hardy as well
[16:12] <Riddell> gribelu: 13ce705df5d47422a9192b29827544e8 md5sum?
[16:13] <gribelu> umm lemme check
[16:13] <gribelu> yup
[16:13] <gribelu> same
[16:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[16:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: youtube.com works for me.....
[16:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: not for you ?
[16:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: nothing flash does, I don't know what I changed.  however it's working in gutsy, feisty, edgy and dapper :)
[16:17] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/184149
[16:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184149 in kdebase "[hardy]xembed and flash support patches doesn't work for konqueror" [Medium,New]
[16:18] <gribelu> Riddell: it doesn't work in konqueror but then again i never tried it before.. ever
[16:18]  * ryanakca mutters and grumbles about power outages... again
[16:19] <Hobbsee> heh
[16:19] <ryanakca> its blizzarding out here :)
[16:19] <jpatrick> ryanakca: what's the package?
[16:19] <ryanakca> jpatrick: for?
[16:19] <ryanakca> that I'm trying to build?
[16:19] <ryanakca> basic256
[16:19] <jpatrick> ryanakca: yes :p
[16:19] <Hobbsee> for the blizzard
[16:19] <Hobbsee> so he can purge it
[16:20] <ryanakca> oh, that one. Umm... 'lyingweatherman' I think. and the weather applet in gnome-applets
[16:21] <ryanakca> jpatrick: just a sec, I'll give you a link to dget if you want it :)
[16:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: the patch is known not to be perfect
[16:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: but yeah I don't know what you changed
[16:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't restart kde since latest kdelibs update this morning, lemme test
[16:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay now I have your issue
[16:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking at kdelibs
[16:25] <Riddell> uh oh
[16:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: you broke my upload
[16:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: my fault, I didn't commit bzr ;)
[16:25] <Riddell> moi?
[16:26] <Riddell> I've not been using bzr
[16:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: your package doesn't have my package's patch
[16:26] <nixternal> are we sure that Konqueror and Flash are fixed? It just crashed my system causing it to reboot
[16:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: well my changelog is missing
[16:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno what you did but you broke my upload :)
[16:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: I expect we uploaded at the same time
[16:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: did yours get rejected?
[16:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe yes, so it rejected yours
[16:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope it got in
[16:27] <Tonio_> Riddell:
[16:27] <Tonio_>  kdelibs (4:3.5.8-4ubuntu7) hardy; urgency=low
[16:27] <Tonio_>  .
[16:27] <Tonio_>    * Updated kubuntu_96_flash_xembed.diff:
[16:27] <Tonio_>      - Sync with current svn status.
[16:27] <Tonio_>      - Reported to make flash works again this time
[16:27] <Tonio_> my changelog
[16:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can reupload with the correct patch ;)à
[16:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably your upload was rejected, unless launchpad has a serious problem :)
[16:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes it did but I didn't notice and my later ubuntu8 upload wiped your ubuntu7 changes
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem I'm reuploading
[16:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks
[16:35] <ryanakca> jpatrick: http://packages.ryanak.ca/dists/ryan-sid/devel/
[17:07] <jpatrick> ryanakca: you'll have to ump it on revu if you want me to upload to universe :)
[17:08]  * ryanakca nods
[17:08]  * ryanakca is trying to figure out why it goes into Lost & Found in the menu
[17:35] <Lure> any motu around to review this package for me: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=qlandkarte
[17:37] <jpatrick> Lure: does debhelper (>= 6) not work?
[17:37] <crimsun> it could, but that would make it impossible to backport.
[17:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdelibs uploaded
[17:39] <Lure> jpatrick: it works, but I have left it to 5 in order to allow backport to gutsy if requested
[17:40] <Lure> jpatrick: is there some push towards move to 6? afaik it will use 6 anyhow on hardy...
[17:41] <jpatrick> Lure: no idea, but I thought it was best to go with lastest versions of things (like policy, etc)
[17:42]  * Jucato wonders why he received an e-mail from PayPal sent to allee...
[17:42] <jpatrick> hehe
[17:42] <Lure> Jucato: just e-mail or also the money? ;-)
[17:43] <jpatrick> Jucato: wait... what are *you* doing in his mail!?
[17:43] <Jucato> jpatrick: rather, what is his mail doing in here!
[17:43] <Jucato> Lure: I was hoping the money too :)
[17:43] <jpatrick> Lure: -- Luka Renko <lure@ubuntu.com>  Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:24:07 +0100
[17:45] <Lure> jpatrick: that is the time I started to work on ;-) I took me a while to find some quality time to finish it ;-)
[17:45] <Riddell> Jucato: spam presumably
[17:45] <Lure> jpatrick: should I change it to now?
[17:45] <jpatrick> Lure: maybe, and you have a spare "." at the end of control
[17:46] <Lure> jpatrick: right, probably left from Homepage being in description originally...
[17:47] <jpatrick> Lure: is ${misc:Depends} necessary, I saw some talk against it in #debian-qt-kde once (can't remember what about tho)
[17:48] <Lure> jpatrick: that is probably copy/paste issue - will check it
[17:49] <jpatrick> Lure: you might get bashed for not having Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists...>...
[17:49] <nixternal> is there a wiki page for the desktop effects and printer config I can link to for further info in the release notes?
[17:50] <Lure> jpatrick: really? So we need to do this even if ubuntu.com is Maintainer?
[17:50]  * Lure checks policy
[17:50] <jpatrick> Lure: yep (just run update-maintainer)
[17:51] <Lure> jpatrick: but according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField, reasoning is with debian developers concerns and not ubuntu
[17:51] <jpatrick> Lure: ok :)
[17:52] <Lure> jpatrick: I just do not see a benefit to change it to generic name (besides protecting my e-mail from spam - which Google does anyhow) ;-)
[17:53] <Lure> jpatrick: but "dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field" actually looks strange
[17:53] <Lure> will ask in -motu
[17:55] <nixternal> Riddell: can you briefly explain the 'desktop effects'? is it for kde3 or kde4 or both? also explain kde4 integration
[17:56] <mhb> nixternal: desktop effects is a tool for quick compiz installation and configuration
[17:56] <nixternal> OK, so it is our version of Ubuntu's tool then
[17:56] <mhb> nixternal: it works with both KDE3 and KDE4 (it's a pyqt4 app)
[17:57] <nixternal> groovy
[17:57] <nixternal> didn't know Compiz worked with KDE 4
[17:57] <mhb> it should, AFAIK.
[17:58] <nixternal> is it a universe app? what do I have to do in order to install it?
[17:58] <Riddell> nixternal: it does, it replaces the window manager.  there's less need of it since kwin in kde 4 has its own compositor
[17:58] <Riddell> nixternal: yes universe, install desktop-effects-kde
[17:58] <nixternal> k
[17:58] <Riddell> nixternal: and this is a first upload of it, call it alpha
[17:58] <nixternal> alpha it is
[17:59] <mhb> Riddell: less need maybe, but KDE4's compositing is still way behind compiz.
[17:59] <mhb> bling-wise
[17:59] <Riddell> mhb: yes, still need, it's the only way to get your windows to wobble
[18:00] <nixternal> heh, people actually like the wobble?
[18:00] <nixternal> that is so 2 years ago already :p
[18:00] <Riddell> Tm_T: so going to book a slot to talk about kubuntu on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep ?
[18:01] <nixternal> speaking of talking about Kubuntu...I will be giving a fairly large talk at a developer conference in April on Kubuntu and KDE, so if Kubuntu and KDE want to help sponsor the event, ping me and I will get you in touch with the organizers :)
[18:03] <Riddell> nixternal: they'd need to contact canonoical with proper sponsorship packages for real sponsorship.  you can ask sealne for t-shirts, I can probably expense a couple for you to wear during the talk and give away as a prize, you can also ask Czessi about having the poster stand shipped over (although hassle that across the atlantic)
[18:03] <nixternal> hrmm, the binary for desktop-effects-kde is desktop-effects-kde4...isn't this a tad bit confusing for kde3 users?
[18:04] <Riddell> nixternal: like I say, alpha, plenty of bits to fix :)
[18:04] <nixternal> hehe, k
[18:04] <nixternal> groovy
[18:04] <mhb> it's more like a symlink I guess
[18:04] <mhb> if we kept that ol' restricted-manager way of launching
[18:05] <nixternal> also needs a .desktop to put it in the menu :)
[18:05] <allee> Jucato: oh, I'm not aware that I have an paybal account :)
[18:05] <Jucato> allee: heheh your spam is coming my way. :)
[18:06] <allee> Jucato: good :)
[18:06] <Jucato> lol
[18:06] <mhb> hmm
[18:06] <mhb> I guess I got that, too :o)
[18:06] <allee> Jucato: put don't forget: money is not spam.  Please redistribute to me immediately (independent how much it is ;)
[18:07] <Jucato> ahahah
[18:07] <mhb> allee: can we arrange a meeting so I can give you a -1000$ ?
[18:07]  * allee lucks in the other direction
[18:08] <allee> s/lucks/looks/
[18:08] <mhb> it's the absolute value that counts :o)
[18:12] <nixternal> Riddell: flash plugin and konqi still do not work
[18:15] <nixternal> ahh, could be because I haven't gotten the latest download of kdelibs
[18:18] <nixternal> better integration I am assuming is really "fixing .desktop install locations"?
[18:23] <Lure> jpatrick: funny, update-maintainer says: "Not an Ubuntu package or already maintained by the Ubuntu team."
[18:23] <Lure> ;-)
[18:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, yes, will do it now
[18:23] <nixternal> Riddell: fancy previewing https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha4/Kubuntu :)
[18:24] <Lure> jpatrick: any other concern with package? otherwise I can upload package with fixes (dates, . in control, remove ${misc:Depends})...
[18:24] <Tm_T> Riddell: though, actually my health is currently in interesting point, so, I afraid we might need some other person in to it too
[18:25] <Lure> Riddell, nixternal: should we ask for testing for regressions of latest kdepim that is supposed to get released in 3.5.9
[18:25] <nixternal> do we have packages for it already?
[18:27] <nixternal> OK, I will put to rest the myth about "Vitamin C and fighting colds"!
[18:27] <Tm_T> anyway, going to fix something, be back soon ->
[18:28] <Lure> nixternal: they are in
[18:28] <nixternal> is it what i am using now?
[18:28] <nixternal> if so, then asking for some imap help would be good
[18:29] <nixternal> on the POP3 side, everything has been great for me, but I am one of those that have never had a problem with kdepim
[18:30] <Lure> nixternal: yep, there is already one regression on imap (filters)
[18:31] <nixternal> hehe, imap and kdepim have had a bad relationship for a bit it seems
[18:41] <Riddell> Tm_T: how about if I was your backup?
[18:42] <Tm_T> Riddell: sounds perfect
[18:42] <Tm_T> Riddell: tuesday 18 UTC ?
[18:43] <Riddell> Tm_T: works for me
[18:43] <Tm_T> then that would be it
[18:43] <Riddell> nixternal: KDE 4 integration is .desktop file in the right place, also KDE 4 apps show up as (KDE 4) in the 3 menu and 3 apps as KDE3 in the 4 menu
[18:44] <nixternal> groovy, thanks
[18:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: thanks, I'll poke dholpbach when he's online or I send mail to him, which come sooner (before tomorrow morning anyway)
[18:44] <nixternal> I messaged Kenny about some t-shirts, but it would be groovy to hand out a couple of t-shirts for prizes
[18:44] <nixternal> Kubuntu Jeopardy!
[18:45] <Riddell> nixternal: if you can justify it I should be able to expense it
[18:45] <nixternal> I am sure justifying will be easy...it is a fairly large conference with fairly large supporters now
[18:46] <nixternal> I will be speaking next to, as well as doing a board talk with John Maddog Hall, Bruce Perens, Brian Fitzpatrick (Google), and more
[18:47] <smarter_> system-config-printer-applet-kde looks pretty cool!
[18:47] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.flourishconf.com
[18:47] <Tm_T> nixternal: say hi to Hall :)
[18:47] <smarter_> Does it support SMB printers?
[18:48] <nixternal> Tm_T: of course...I had the pleasure of speaking with him on a few occasions, but this will be a first with Bruce Perens
[18:48] <Tm_T> nixternal: :) Hall was fun in "Linux 15 years" happening
[18:49] <Tm_T> if I don't mess up parties now
[18:49] <nixternal> hehe
[18:51] <nixternal> trying to find a decent picture of me for their website though is proving tough right now
[18:53] <Tm_T> nixternal: you need something like this: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temps-01.jpg
[18:53] <nixternal> hahahhahahaha
[18:54] <nixternal> every picture I have of me, I am wearing the same damn shirt
[18:54] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=319075216&size=l
[18:54] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/floydwilde/319070064/  <-- there is my Tm_T moment :p
[18:56] <Tm_T> lovely
[18:56] <nixternal> hehe
[19:15] <jjesse> nixternal: i think you wore that shirt when we got together last time
[19:16] <Lure> nixternal: what do you expect - this is the only shirt he owns
[19:16] <Lure> ;-)
[19:16] <dasKreech> he ALWAYS wears that shirt
[19:16] <Lure> jjesse: ^^
[19:16] <nixternal> haha
[19:16] <Tm_T> atleast he wears a shirt
[19:17] <nixternal> sometimes at least
[19:17] <Tm_T> just imagine if he were going naked all the time
[19:17] <Tm_T> trust me, you don't like it
[19:17] <nixternal> hahahahah, thanks :)
[19:17] <Lure> ;-)
[19:17] <Tm_T> nixternal: youre welcome son ;)
[19:17] <dasKreech> in chiacgo?
[19:17] <dasKreech> Yeah
[19:17] <dasKreech> I don't think he's that much a hot dog
[19:17] <Tm_T> well dog yes
[19:18] <dasKreech> nixternal: Oh I had a Chicago Hot Dog :)
[19:18] <nixternal> from o'hare?
[19:18] <nixternal> that wasn't a hot dog
[19:18] <nixternal> and for the sake of not causing you to faint, I won't tell you what it was
[19:20] <Tm_T> nixternal: please don't remind me of that
[19:20] <dasKreech> I thought it was funny
[19:21] <dasKreech> Resturant open
[19:21] <dasKreech> one person in there
[19:21] <jjesse> someone actually bought a hot dog in o'hare?
[19:21] <dasKreech> McDonalds beside it closed Loooong line in front of it
[19:21]  * jjesse shudders
[19:22] <nixternal> buying any food in o'hare should cause any and everyone to shudder
[19:23] <nixternal> I hate writing my own biography, it really makes me sound conceited
[19:23] <jjesse> what are you writing your biography for?
[19:23] <nixternal> I need it for a few talks I am scheduled for in the next few months
[19:24] <nixternal> in the past, people usually took care of adding a little blurb, but this time they have asked for a biography
[19:24] <jjesse> ah, i had a hard time writing mine for the book
[19:24] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: I hate writing anything about me...
[19:24] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, and that one too
[19:24] <emonkey> how can i detect the cdrom in qemu if I want to install it from a iso image?
[19:24] <nixternal> I just gave them some pointers, didn't write anything, and said surprise me :)
[19:24] <Tm_T> glad my lifestory still does get refused by publisher
[19:25] <nixternal> haha
[19:25] <dasKreech> i normally just put daskreech fantastic latin lover... occasional liar
[19:25] <jjesse> hrmmm is the fantastic latin lover part of the lie?
[19:25] <nixternal> haha
[19:25] <nixternal> Richard Johnson is a long time advocator and contributor of the GNU/Linux operating system as well as free software. For the past couple of years he has been most active in the Kubuntu and KDE communities as an advocator, developer, and documentation writer. Other notable contributions to the free software community include Debian, Foresight, the Ubuntu Chicago Local Community Team, and more.
[19:25] <Tm_T> jjesse: is not
[19:26] <nixternal> short and sweet, and hopefully not to conceited
[19:26] <nixternal> and the write up about talk #1 for Flourish:
[19:26] <nixternal> Richard will be representing both the Kubuntu and KDE communities in his talk. He will briefly explain both communities as well as how to get involved. His talk will also cover the recently released KDE 4 and its future.
[19:27] <Tm_T> nixternal: whee, remember to mention "we will eat your children" strategy we have behind the curtains ;)
[19:27] <nixternal> we also have a great joke we are going to play with Bruce Perens...we are all going to wrap our conference badges in tin foil just for him
[19:27] <dasKreech> When did you contribute Debian?
[19:28] <dasKreech> and does Debbie know?
[19:28] <nixternal> dasKreech: forever
[19:28] <nixternal> long before Ubuntu was a figment of sabdfl's imagination
[19:28] <dasKreech> cause she gave up her husband for a year I' think she'd like to know what he was actually doing :)
[19:28] <nixternal> and I still have a couple of packages I maintain in Debian
[19:29] <nixternal> actually, I think I have turned them all over to either people more interested in the packages or the kde-extras team
[19:29] <nixternal> even though they are in the kde-extras group, I still maintain them
[19:30] <nixternal> I was trying to find bugs I reported in Slackware in 1994 a couple of weeks ago, as well as some old bugs of mine in KDE like 10 years ago...but I can't remember what I used as my nick or my email address back then
[19:30] <dasKreech> Just show them the shirt they'll recognize it
[19:31] <nixternal> lol
[19:31] <dasKreech> ah yes you.. Come on it
[19:31] <dasKreech> in
[19:31] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/nixternal.png
[19:31] <nixternal> hey, nice shirt!
[19:31] <nixternal> see!
[19:32] <Lure> any other motu that would throw his eyes at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=qlandkarte ?
[19:32] <nixternal> ooh, I found 2 pictures where I am wearing a different shirt
[19:32] <Lure> nixternal: made in gimp? ;-)
[19:32] <nixternal> edited in gimp
[19:33] <Lure> nixternal: please show them, I am interested in photo art retouching ;-)
[19:33] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=236355132&size=l
[19:33] <nixternal> that was at the college for student activities fair
[19:34] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1702151090&size=l
[19:34] <nixternal> and that was at the Ubuntu 7.10 release event
[19:34] <Lure> nixternal: oh, right, I though that you have removed some weight in gimp also ;-)
[19:35] <nixternal> hardy har har :)
[19:35] <nixternal> gimp isn't that good now
[19:35] <Lure> nixternal: ;-)
[19:35] <nixternal> hehe
[19:37] <Nightrose> nixternal: you should wear more of this: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=236355132&size=l
[19:37] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:38] <nixternal> the vertical lines make you look thinner right? :)
[19:38] <Nightrose> well depends
[19:38] <Nightrose> but with this one yes
[19:38] <Nightrose> and the color suits you
[19:39] <Nightrose> makes you look younger
[19:39] <nixternal> if I look any younger I will be in trouble
[19:39] <Nightrose> hehe
[19:39] <crimsun> yeah, they definitely won't let him collect social security.
[19:40] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/Johnson028j.jpg
[19:40] <nixternal> I have a different shirt there too, but I look goofy
[19:40] <nixternal> that was a hot arse day too for family pics
[19:43] <emu> nixternal: could you inform me, when you finished the hardy alpha 4 release notes?
[19:43] <nixternal> emu: will do, you and txwikinger will be the first to know now :)
[19:43] <nixternal> ooh, all I have to do is the KDE 4 integration bit and that's it
[19:43] <emu> thx
[19:43] <nixternal> give me a couple of minutes
[19:44] <nixternal> http://lug.cs.uic.edu/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=26&catid=3&PageNo=4    <-- whoa, now that is a really nice shirt :p
[19:45]  * nixternal goes and finishes the release notes
[19:50] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha4/Kubuntu
[19:50] <nixternal> ^^ needs reviewing
[19:52] <dasKreech> Alpha 4 is the first in a series?
[19:52]  * nosrednaekim reviews...:)
[19:52] <Lure> dasKreech: for the series starting with 4... ;-)
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: do you want me to fix that -kde4 thing?
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> Nice new wallpaper
[19:56] <dasKreech> nixternal: also I think all the Cds this week have installer bugs so the second sentence isn't true
[19:56]  * emonkey likes the new wallpaper too
[19:57] <smarter> Is there some MOTU around to review my Bespin package? ;) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin
[19:58] <nixternal> dasKreech: good find...forgot to replace that "first in a series" part
[19:59] <nixternal> fixed
[19:59] <dasKreech> told I'm good for proof reading :)
[20:05] <nosrednaekim> smarter: no.... but are there any screenshots of it?
[20:05] <dasKreech> The first sentence in New in Alpha 4 sounds like funk
[20:10] <ryanakca> hmm... any plans on creating a package full of plasmoids? Or a package per plasmoid? Or let people compile them for themselves?
[20:13] <jjesse> don't extra plasmoids come from kde-extras or something like that?
[20:14] <tekteen> we need a get hot new stuff ( I think it has a new name) for plasmoids
[20:15] <ryanakca> jjesse: dunno, I was just browsing around on kde-look.org, plasmoids section, and wondering :)
[20:17] <jjesse> ryanakca and tekteen i think a ghns would be great for plasmoids
[20:18] <ryanakca> ghns?
[20:18] <jjesse> get hot new stuff
[20:18] <ryanakca> ah, get hot new stuff, nvm :)
[20:18] <jjesse> is there a plasmoid section on kde-look?
[20:19] <ryanakca> yep
[20:19] <tekteen> kool
[20:19] <ryanakca> http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=70
[20:19] <tekteen> I need to check that out
[20:20] <jjesse> i'm looking for a weather one
[20:22] <ryanakca> don't think there is one yet :(
[20:22] <nixternal> there is one
[20:22] <smarter> there's one
[20:22]  * ryanakca wonders how hard it would be to write one
[20:22] <ryanakca> oooh
[20:22] <smarter> in extragear or playground
[20:22] <nixternal> extragear I think
[20:22] <smarter> it only shows textual information ATM
[20:22] <nixternal> the one in playground is an attempt to use javascript, but it useless w/o webkit
[20:22] <tekteen> ryanakca: java script
[20:22] <smarter> we have webkit in the repo
[20:23] <nixternal> doesn't integrate with plasma though, just konqi
[20:23] <nixternal> and it doesn't work well either
[20:23] <mhb> aren't plasmoids code?
[20:23] <mhb> code is kind of hard to distribute via ghns
[20:23] <nixternal> you can write a plasmoid in just about anything
[20:23] <ryanakca> tekteen: what? to make one? hmmm... don't know it yet... *wonders if there's a python interface for writing them*
[20:23] <mhb> yeah, but I think most of the current ones are C++.
[20:23] <nixternal> all of them right now are pretty much c++ that work
[20:24] <nixternal> I think the ruby one works as well
[20:24] <mhb> it's impossible to ship binaries via GHNS for all linux platforms
[20:24] <mhb> so it's kind of impossible for GHNS to ship non-ruby non-python plasmoids
[20:24] <ryanakca> well, imho, it would be better if they were all written in a scripting language, that way you could have a GHNS
[20:24] <mhb> (and is ruby even present in Kubuntu by default?)
[20:24] <nixternal> it isn't ghns anymore
[20:24] <nixternal> mhb: has to be if we ship amarok
[20:24] <ryanakca> nope, don't think so, I had to install it
[20:25] <tekteen> I think python support is next
[20:25] <mhb> ruby is not that attractive to me anyway.
[20:25] <nixternal> me either
[20:25] <mhb> it's a lot like Python, and I don't think there's a reason to use Ruby and not Python
[20:25]  * ryanakca is having fun with Accelerated C++
[20:25] <mhb> accelerated?
[20:26] <mhb> that sounds like a root of all evil
[20:26] <Lure> mhb: book
[20:26] <Lure> mhb: nice starting book for c++
[20:26] <mhb> Lure: I guessed so.
[20:26] <mhb> Ah, starting book, okay then.
[20:26] <mhb> it just sounded like a book about premature optimization, and you know what that is :o)
[20:26] <ryanakca> mhb: well, its the one they promote in ##C++
[20:27] <smarter> I bought C++ Primer which is pretty cool too
[20:27] <ryanakca> ... or used to promote... written by Andrew Koenig and Barbara E. Moo
[20:27] <smarter> what's the "best" Qt book available?
[20:27]  * ryanakca guesses he'll need to get one of those too
[20:28] <mhb> API
[20:28] <ryanakca> hrrrm.   plasma-playground: Depends: kde4base but it is not installable
[20:28] <mhb> ryanakca: that's where I learned my Qt :o)
[20:28] <ryanakca> mhb: lol
[20:29] <nixternal> mhb: premature optimization? can't a doctor fix that? :p
[20:29] <nixternal> smarter: there are 3 Qt 4 books which are excellent
[20:29] <smarter> nixternal: I know, and I don't know which one I should buy :)
[20:29] <jjesse> nixternal: which 3 qt4 books?
[20:30] <mhb> smarter: the best way to learn it is to live it
[20:30] <nixternal> C++ GUI Programming with Qt4 (Blanchette/Summerfield), The Book of Qt 4(Holkentin), and Foundation of Qt Development (Thelin)
[20:30] <mhb> smarter: pick a project, start contributing, don't slack off, use API, and in 3 months, you'll know Qt as much as I do
[20:30] <nixternal> the Blanchette/Summerfield book has an updated version coming out soon
[20:30] <nixternal> the Book of Qt4 is actually by danimo
[20:30] <mhb> smarter: which might not be much, but still more than nothing :o)
[20:31] <nixternal> the Foundation of Qt Development is a book Riddell just posted a review of not to long ago
[20:31] <mhb> (API as in API docs)
[20:31] <smarter> [21:30] <nixternal> the Blanchette/Summerfield book has an updated version coming out soon << cool! They make a french translation so it'll be easier for me to read it :)
[20:31] <nixternal> there you go
[20:31]  * ryanakca enjoys the incredible wait-for-your-chars-to-appear-on-screen slowness of running an upgrade and an sbuild at the same time
[20:31] <nixternal> actually I think the other 2 books should have a translation, or a translation coming soon
[20:42] <toma> nixternal: ping
[20:42] <nixternal> what's up tomaskillet :p
[20:43] <toma> nixternal: hiya. You are the ligature man for kubuntu ?
[20:43] <dasKreech> ryanakca: there is one
[20:43] <nixternal> jjesse is :)
[20:44] <ryanakca> dasKreech: a plasmoid package? okies
[20:44] <toma> nixternal: svn shows you changed some cmake stuff recently ;-)
[20:44] <nixternal> oh
[20:44] <nixternal> that ligature
[20:44] <nixternal> lol
[20:44] <toma> ;-)
[20:44] <dasKreech> nixternal: Quiet!! It's always GHNS!!!
[20:44] <nixternal> I thought you meant with writing and typography type ligature
[20:44] <nixternal> dasKreech: they changed it recently fyi
[20:44] <toma> ah, no, my english is not that good ;-)
[20:44] <dasKreech> I spent too long talking about GHNS for anyone to change it
[20:44] <nixternal> toma: ya, in order to get it to build a bit
[20:45] <toma> nixternal: i'm unable to build it now, not sure if i ever managed though
[20:45] <dasKreech> nixternal: the renamed the server DXS
[20:45] <toma> nixternal: did you manage to build it ?
[20:45] <dasKreech> the she-bang is still GHNS though
[20:45] <dasKreech> though the changes to DXS are really hot
[20:46] <nixternal> toma: I got close to getting it to build, but there were some other things missing
[20:46] <toma> nixternal: ohh ok. I've made the new for 4.0.1 tarball and i fail as well
[20:47] <toma> nixternal: I think I will mail release-team and suggest to not publish it
[20:47] <toma> i'll ask the suse crue
[20:47] <nixternal> groovy, should have been done for 4.0.0 as well
[20:47] <nixternal> toma: they didn't build it last I checked
[20:47] <nixternal> and neither did Debian, as I was working on theirs as well
[20:47] <toma> ;-)
[20:49] <nixternal> I think with the changes I uploaded, I got it past 50% at least :)
[20:49] <toma> yes
[20:49] <toma> fails on an UNIX define which is not set
[20:49] <nixternal> oh ya
[20:50] <nixternal> that's how far it got, the config.h right?
[20:50] <toma> and after fixing that, it fails on a LC_MESSAGES not set
[20:50] <toma> i just wonder how many will follow
[20:50] <nixternal> what was the fix for the UNIX define? i can't remember what it was now...it is on the tip of my tongue
[20:51] <toma> i'm happy to fix it if a quick fix is possible, but I'm not going to fix the whole lib
[20:52] <toma> I just defined UNIX with some code: #if defined(__unix) || defined(__unix__) || defined(unix) || defined(__linux) || defined(__linux__) || defined(linux)
[20:52]  * nixternal thinks it is time to update the kicker in kde 3.5 for Kubuntu
[20:52] <nixternal> it doesn't match the wallpaper to well I don't think, stands out way to much imho
[20:53] <nixternal> ahh, OK...you may have hit a different define than I remember then
[20:53] <nixternal> maybe I fixed the one define, can't remember now though...all I do remember is that package gave me a head ache
[20:53] <toma> right
[20:54] <mhb> is it a bug or a feature that some KDE4 apps cannot be built the old cmake; make; make install way?
[20:55] <mhb> I mean like when I build kdesudo, I have to debuild it, because it fails if cmake is run the "old" way.
[20:55] <jjesse> is there a way to suspend a laptop in kde4?
[20:55] <nixternal> shut it off? :p
[20:55] <mhb> jjesse: sudo /ect/acpi/sleep.sh is a trusty way
[20:56] <mhb> CMake Error: ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config
[20:57] <mhb> is it possible to "hack" cmake so it finds the kde4-config correctly on a kubuntu system?
[20:57] <jjesse> mhb:  thanks :)
[20:57] <mhb> it is installed of course
[20:58] <mhb> anyone? pretty please?
[20:58] <mhb> I know there are packagers in here!
[20:58] <mhb> :o)
[20:58] <jpatrick> does Tonio_ know has last uploads in kdebase are missing the .org in ...@kubuntu.org?
[20:59] <jpatrick> mhb: I would help, but I have a massive headache wondering how I plan to update the kio-media LUKS patch...
[20:59] <toma> mhb: you mean build in the source dir ?
[21:00] <toma> that is what you are doing i think
[21:00] <mhb> toma: yes
[21:00] <toma> that's not supported anymore
[21:00] <mhb> oh, great.
[21:00] <toma> just mkdir i; cd i; cmake ..; make
[21:01] <mhb> says the same.
[21:01] <mhb> CMake Error: ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config
[21:01] <toma> yep
[21:01] <toma> remove the cache from the source dir
[21:01] <jpatrick> mhb: CMAKE_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4? (or something like that?)
[21:02] <jpatrick> forget that, toma probably knows best
[21:02] <toma> ;-)
[21:02] <mhb> toma: still not it
[21:02]  * mhb tries the prefix
[21:03] <toma> i've never seen that error, so jpatrick might be right
[21:03] <jpatrick> mhb: I can't remember what the actual flag is tho (-DCMAKE_PREFIX maybe)
[21:03] <mhb> no
[21:04] <smarter> -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX iirc
[21:04] <mhb> smarter wins
[21:05] <smarter> \o/
[21:05] <mhb> thanks
[21:05] <mhb> to all
[21:05] <jpatrick> mhb: not my fault he's smarter
[21:05] <toma> well. building in source dir is not supported, no matter what ;-)
[21:05] <toma> so I want at least 1/2 a point
[21:05] <nixternal> odd that -DCMAKE_PREFIX didn't work
[21:06] <smarter> odd that --prefix doesn't work
[21:06] <nixternal> true
[21:07] <mhb> toma: I thought it still is
[21:07] <mhb> toma: AFAIK only kdelibs did want an out-of-source build
[21:07] <mhb> toma: kdebase built fine, IIRC
[21:07] <mhb> toma: perhaps it has changed after 4.0.0, when I got lazy and started using the kubuntu packages.
[21:07] <toma> sure, you are just not allowed to complain if it does not
[21:11] <mhb> okay, you folks have fun
[21:12] <mhb> I'm going to unplug myself and go into the Fortress of Off-line Solitude ... I should emerge in the morning with something, and I hope it will be something awesome
[21:13] <mhb> like Qt4 frontend for Jockey the Restricted Manager
[21:13] <mhb> good night
[21:41] <dasKreech> nixternal: too many relelases
[21:42] <dasKreech> feedback section first sentence
[21:54] <dasKreech> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afXWczd_MFA
[22:17] <emu> blizzzek: Ich hab schonmal angefangen... kannst ja weitermachen.
[22:18] <emu> hmmmp. wrong channel
[22:18] <blizzzek> emu: alright, gonna do it past midnight
[22:18] <blizzzek> emu: ty
[22:18] <seele> dasKreech: huh?
[22:19] <dasKreech> seele: They offered you a one pound cash prize :)
[22:19] <dasKreech>  that must have been just before i walked back in the room
[22:19] <dasKreech> I'm catching up on the talks I missed out on
[22:19] <dasKreech> that's like ... 2 dollars
[22:21] <dasKreech> seele: assuming that you are querying my outburst from last night ;-)
[22:25] <seele> dasKreech: who?
[22:25] <seele> dasKreech: i think i'm missing something
[22:25] <dasKreech> The Sirius talk
[22:26] <dasKreech> They gave out 1 US dollar at the start and had a cash prize for the end
[22:26] <dasKreech> They asked you if you would like to speak and offered the cash prize of one pound :)
[22:26]  * dasKreech has it on tape!
[22:26] <dasKreech> Pretty much asked you if you wanted to talk about your research
[22:28] <dasKreech> I'll have a definitive word on likker importation to jamdown by the end of the week
[22:29] <seele> oh right
[22:29] <seele> well i wish adrian would have TOLD me he was going to ask me about that
[22:29] <seele> i hadnt a clue what to say
[22:30] <dasKreech> Hi I'm celeste and I'm addicted
[22:31] <dasKreech> I typed out seele :) then realized that would have made no sense
[22:33] <sahin_h> Hi kubuntu developers! I tried to sync my kontact calendar with my google calendar.
[22:34] <sahin_h> Unfortunately the opensync-plugin-kdepim part just crashed.
[22:34] <sahin_h> Finally I've rebuild the opensync-plugin-kdepim against the kontact packages which is part of gutsy.
[22:35] <sahin_h> And the problem went away!
[22:35] <sahin_h> So I can sync my calendars.
[22:35] <sahin_h> Meanwhile I found this report:
[22:35] <sahin_h> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/134622
[22:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134622 in opensync "kitchensync - opensync synchronization crash" [Undecided,New]
[22:36] <sahin_h> Could somebody create a fixed package?
[22:37] <sahin_h> The solution is only rebuild the package, and play with it a little.
[22:37] <toma> Riddell: ^ it's only a rebuild request
[22:37] <toma> or someone else who can trigger that ;-)
[22:38] <toma> sahin_h: maybe it should be assigned to someone and it will happen automatically
[22:38] <toma> sahin_h: maybe look in the wiki
[22:39] <sahin_h> Hmmm. Should I assign to someone who is part of the kubuntu team?
[22:50] <mhb> sahin_h: hm, either that or keep asking here until one of the packagers hear you
[22:50] <mhb> sahin_h: I'm sorry but I can't help, I'm trying to avoid packaging stuff
[22:50] <mhb> (but I'm sure the others will help you)
[22:50] <sahin_h> mhb: Ok, I will asking here again.
[22:51] <sahin_h> mhb: Because I'm not a big packager also, and I found some error in the package too.
[22:51] <sahin_h> mhb: Now I'm working on...
[22:55] <wolfger> /ignore joins
[22:56] <sahin_h> Ok, now I fixed one bug in the package file itself. My fix is a hack exactly, but my package works!