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[01:50] <jjesse> i never remember these simple things, if there is a lock is bzr break-lock or force break-lock?
[01:57] <mwh> jjesse: that doesn't seem like an actual question
[01:59] <jjesse> mwh: if i get a locking problem, how do i break it?
[01:59] <jjesse> bzr force break-lock?
[01:59] <mwh> bzr break-lock
[01:59] <jjesse> do i have to be the one who has it locked?
[01:59] <mwh> uh, i don't think so
[02:00] <mwh> you need to be able to write to the branch
[02:00] <mwh> (but i'd hope that was obvious)
[02:00] <mwh> it may work better over sftp rather than bzr+ssh
[02:00] <jjesse> mwh: ok will try that
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[02:38] <dcode> is there any plan to ever release the source of launchpad?  or is it to remain IP of Canonical?
[02:38] <dcode> sorry if that's a dupe...I didn't seem to be connected
[02:43] <Hobbsee> eventually, is the plan
[02:43] <dcode> okay....I wasn't looking for a date or anything....just the general idea of the plan
[02:44] <dcode> that's cool though....it's the cleanest project tool I've used to date by far...I love it
[03:24] <musashi> are there any admins here that can look into some inappropriate posts on answers?
[03:25] <musashi> see https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/23430
[03:25] <musashi> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/23366
[03:27] <musashi> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/23439
[03:28] <musashi> and others by aznmhc see rather pointless
[03:29] <musashi> s/see/seem
[03:54] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: please see https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/~mhc7791
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[05:09] <skyfaller_ppc> hey folks... the person who is "team owner"
[05:10] <skyfaller_ppc> on my "team
[05:10] <skyfaller_ppc> has gone missing
[05:10] <skyfaller_ppc> do you folks know who I should talk to to get admin powers in his place?
[05:10] <skyfaller_ppc> it's https://launchpad.net/~fcowebteam  if you're curious
[05:10] <Fujitsu> skyfaller_ppc: Ask a question on the launchpad project, as no admins appear to be around.
[05:11] <skyfaller_ppc> Fujitsu: could you give me a link?
[05:12] <Fujitsu> skyfaller_ppc: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[05:13] <skyfaller_ppc> Fujitsu: thanks! :)
[07:20] <Laibsch> I am getted repeated rejects with "MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive. Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification."
[07:20] <Laibsch> I verified the md5sums and everything is OK
[07:20] <Laibsch> What is the likely problem?
[07:20] <Laibsch> s/getted/getting/
[07:26] <stdin> Laibsch: have you uploaded anything to the repository (I'm guessing PPA?) before?
[07:27] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: is an .orig.tar.gz referenced in the source.changes?
[07:27] <Laibsch> stdin: yes
[07:27] <Laibsch> worked fine
[07:28] <Laibsch> https://launchpad.net/~r0lf/+archive
[07:28] <Laibsch> I deleted the failed packages now
[07:28] <stdin> Laibsch: are you trying to upload another version or the same one but for another version of ubuntu?
[07:28] <Laibsch> Hobbsee: I don't think so, let me check
[07:28] <Laibsch> stdin: this is about qemu
[07:29] <Laibsch> stdin: I had been trying for different version
[07:29] <Laibsch> s
[07:29] <Laibsch> Let me prepare the thing and put it up on a webserver so you guys can take a look
[07:29] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: which version of qemu are you uploading?
[07:31] <Laibsch> 0.9.1
[07:31] <Laibsch> but a patched version
[07:31] <Laibsch> http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/
[07:31] <Laibsch> the qemu stuff in there
[07:32] <stdin> what's the version in debian/changelog ?
[07:33] <Laibsch> stdin: http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/qemu_0.9.1-0oh1ubuntu1_source.changes
[07:33] <Laibsch> 0.9.1-0oh1ubuntu1
[07:33] <Laibsch> What I did to prepare this is "debchange && debuild -S && dput -f ../qemu*.changes"
[07:34] <stdin> ahh, you need "debuild -S -sa" to make sure the source is uploaded too
[07:34] <stdin> also, why -0oh1ubuntu1 ?
[07:34] <Hobbsee> stdin: it's native...
[07:34] <stdin> as opposed to  "-0ubuntu1~ppa1"
[07:35] <stdin> Hobbsee: ah, duh :P
[07:35] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: do you have a crappyconnection?
[07:36] <Laibsch> no
[07:36] <Laibsch> not at all
[07:37] <Laibsch> stdin: I am fairly new to packaging debs
[07:37] <Laibsch> ipks only so far ;-)
[07:37]  * Laibsch will try -sa
[07:37] <stdin> Laibsch: did you create an orig.tar.gz ?
[07:37] <Laibsch> no
[07:38] <Laibsch> there was none
[07:38] <Hobbsee> if it's native, there won't *be* an orig.tar.gz
[07:38] <Laibsch> what is native?
[07:38] <stdin> Hobbsee: it's not supposed to be native afaik
[07:38] <Hobbsee> stdin: by version number, though...
[07:42] <Laibsch> guys, what is native?
[07:42] <Laibsch> stdin: -sa is not documented in "man debuild"
[07:43] <stdin> Laibsch: "man dpkg-buildpackage"
[07:44] <stdin> debuild calls dpkg-buildpackage (amongst other things)
[07:46] <stdin> Laibsch: you need to move debian out of the qemu directory, then "mv qemu qemu-0.9.1" then make an orig.tar.gz "tar czf qemu_0.9.1.orig.tar.gz qemu-0.9.1" then move the debian dir back in and rebuild the package. a native package is one that is build for debian only, it has no .orig.tar.gz and no diff.gz
[07:47] <Laibsch> OK
[07:47] <Laibsch> Thanks for the explanation
[07:47] <stdin> you may also want to change the version, bacause -0oh1ubuntu1 won't be replaced by an official -0ubuntu1
[07:47] <Laibsch> I think I was kind of going for the native version even for non-native packages
[07:47] <stdin> it's a good idea to add "~ppa1" to the end too
[07:47] <Laibsch> Uploading the complete source makes sure it is available ;-)
[07:48] <stdin> Laibsch: if it's native, then every time you change something, you need to re-upload the whole source again
[07:48] <stdin> that's why you'll only see some small packages that are native
[07:49] <Laibsch> what would be a good version?
[07:49] <stdin> personally, I'd go for "0.9.1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1"
[07:50] <Laibsch> 0.9.1-0ubuntu1-oh~ppa1
[07:50] <Laibsch> ?
[07:50] <Laibsch> OK, thank you for the suggestion
[07:50] <stdin> what's with you and the "oh"'s? :p
[07:50] <Laibsch> I want the oh in there as an indication for openedhand
[07:50] <Laibsch> The guys preparing all the qemu patches
[07:51] <stdin> Laibsch: then have it "0.9.1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~openhand1" or "0.9.1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~oh1" ;)
[07:52] <Laibsch> Basically, I just package " svn co http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/misc/trunk qemu-packaging"
[07:54] <stdin> a good way to do that is to have a svn copy, then "cp svn-dir working-dir; find working-dir -type d -name ".svn" -exex rm -r {} +" then "mv working-dir package-version"
[07:54] <stdin> then you can tar it up into an orig.tar.gz and create your debian stuff after
[07:55] <Fujitsu> stdin: What's wrong with `svn export'?
[07:55] <stdin> Fujitsu: nothing, if it works. I'd had some problems with it a while ago and just got into the habit of doing it manually
[07:55] <Laibsch> BTW, another question if I may, how do I easily create packages for all ubuntu versions from the same source?
[07:56] <Laibsch> dapper, edgy, feisty, gutsy, hardy
[07:56] <Laibsch> Just debchange and replace the version?
[07:56] <Fujitsu> You'll need to change the version string and release in the changelog.
[07:57] <Fujitsu> One would normally dch -i, set the release to gutsy, and append ~gutsy1 to the version.
[07:57] <Laibsch> OK, thanks
[08:24] <Laibsch> It seems debuild made a native package again
[08:24] <Laibsch> What do I need to name the orig tar for version  0.9.1-0oh1~ubuntu1 ?
[08:26] <stdin> qemu-0.9.1.orig.tar.gz
[08:27] <Laibsch> Ah, thanks
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[08:37] <carlos> morning
[08:59] <Laibsch> I guess I am back to square one
[08:59] <Laibsch> The tar file is not being uploaded, it seems
[08:59] <Laibsch> https://launchpad.net/~r0lf/+archive/
[09:00] <Laibsch> Why is the orig.tar.gz not referenced in *.changes?
[09:00] <Laibsch> Do I need the -sa switch?
[09:00] <stdin> yes
[09:01] <Laibsch> OK, thanks
[09:02] <stdin> you may have to bump the version in order for it to upload, or remove the old package (which will take time to actually be removed)
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[10:02] <coolbhavi>  hi
[10:02] <coolbhavi>  I cant access launchpad...
[10:02] <coolbhavi> It comes connected to launchpad and then no activity
[10:02] <coolbhavi> I can access other sites
[10:03] <coolbhavi> its happening from past 3 hours
[10:04] <coolbhavi> Launchpad page opening is mighty slow..
[10:05] <intellectronica> coolbhavi: really? any URL, or anything specifically?
[10:05] <kiko> coolbhavi, sounds like problems with your internet connectivity
[10:05] <kiko> coolbhavi, have you tried to "mtr launchpad.net" and seeing what the packet loss looks like?
[10:05] <coolbhavi> No 
[10:06] <coolbhavi> Not a problem with my internet connectivity
[10:11] <oojah> Seems to be working fine here.
[10:14] <coolbhavi> --- launchpad.net ping statistics ---
[10:14] <coolbhavi> 68 packets transmitted, 34 received, 50% packet loss, time 67258ms
[10:14] <coolbhavi> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 422.024/435.886/459.624/11.294 ms
[10:17] <kiko> 50% packet loss is pretty high coolbhavi
[10:17] <kiko> you can use mtr to figure out where it is happening
[10:17] <coolbhavi> yes
[10:17] <coolbhavi> OK
[10:22] <coolbhavi> vanadium.canonical.com 51.7% packet loss
[10:31] <coolbhavi> Any suggestions?
[10:38] <simira> Beklager at dette har tatt lang tid! Det har stoppet opp litt med administrasjonen i teamet. Håper du fortsatt vil bidra med oversettelser!
[10:38] <simira> oops
[10:38] <simira> sorry, mipaste
[11:09] <mgunes> is marking blueprints as obsoleted no longer possible, or can it be done only by the drafter?
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #187285 in soyuz "queue reject fails with TypeError" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187285
[11:16] <intellectronica> mgunes: no, it should be possible to mark blueprints as obsolete, as long as you have the permissions to set the blueprints' status
[11:17] <intellectronica> mgunes: more specifically, what are you looking at?
[11:17] <mgunes> intellectronica, just figured that out, thank you.
[12:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:01] <Fujitsu> Morning mpt.
[12:02] <kiko> yo mpt 
[12:04] <Hobbsee> evening mpt 
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[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #187297 in rosetta "po-files exported from rosetta contain insufficient information about translator credits" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187297
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[13:54] <Hobbsee> now, why can't i search bzr branches?
[13:56] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: What fields would you search on?
[13:56] <Fujitsu> Or, where are you trying to search?
[13:57] <Hobbsee> hm, by name of the branch, or by project i think
[13:57] <Hobbsee> i thought we used to have a search for it
[13:57] <Hobbsee> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/
[13:57] <Hobbsee> or at least a "filter by: <box>"
[13:58] <Fujitsu> Hm, you're right. It used to be a textbox followed by a status selector.
[13:58] <Fujitsu> I guess 1.2.1 fixed that.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> fsvo "fixed".  how was it broken?
[14:00] <Hobbsee> in fact, being able to filter by the first 5 options in that dropdown look good...
[14:01] <Hobbsee> ie, automagically filter if "hardy" is in the title, project name, lifecycle status (yes, i know there are easier ways to do it), branhc name, or register name.
[14:01] <Hobbsee> project or name would be the most useful
[14:08] <kiko> Hobbsee, Fujitsu: guess thumper did away with it in one of the previous month's changes. file a bug on him, I'm sure he'll get it
[14:11] <Hobbsee> kiko: ...yay.  will do
[14:12]  * Hobbsee wonders how one accidently does away with features.
[14:14] <Fujitsu> kiko: You don't happen to know what criteria Launchpad uses to decide if a branch is to be marked as dormant, do you?
[14:15] <kiko> Hobbsee, one doesn't use them, doesn't check if other users do, and removes them. it's pretty easy.
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #187312 in launchpad "Standalone global announcements page doesn't seem useful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187312
[14:16] <kiko> Fujitsu, I don't -- it used to be just abandoned branches, and there's no hint in the page help.
[14:16] <Fujitsu> I did try to check the page help, and was rather surprised to see there was actually some there, albeit not useful for this.
[14:17] <Fujitsu> I presume it's something to do with how recently the branch has been updated, or it would be redundant with the status selector.
[14:22] <kiko> Fujitsu, agreed. time to ask a question on launchpad-bazaar and get thumper to update the page help <wink>
[14:23] <Fujitsu> The latter being achieved by filing a bug?
[14:25] <Fujitsu> Um, is /people/+teamlist not respecting the inactive/merged flag? I see a few that seem to have been merged with others, so 404.
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[14:59] <kiko> Fujitsu, bug too
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[15:21] <ingrediant> http://PRIVAT-GEKNIPST.dnsdojo.net/?id=5420a7e0
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[16:19] <ScottK> I'm bug contact for a package and now on a team that's bug contact for the same package.  I get two copies of the bugmail.  Bug or Feature?
[16:20] <Hobbsee> ScottK: bug
[16:20] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm
[16:20]  * Hobbsee can't see how that would be intentional.
[16:21]  * Hobbsee can't see how removing search dialog boxes are intentional though, either.
[16:21] <Hobbsee> mpt: are there efforts going on to make the launchpad tables act the same way?  ie, click on a column, and they sort by that column?
[16:21] <Hobbsee> having some that do, and some that don't is confusing
[16:22] <Hobbsee> see https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?batch=500 for those that do
[16:29] <mpt> Hobbsee, we know that needs doing, but nobody is working on it at the moment afaik
[16:30] <Hobbsee> mpt: right
[16:32] <mpt> bug 98950, bug 61735
[16:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98950 in rosetta "Column sorting doesn't work on distribution series language pages" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98950
[16:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 61735 in malone "Can't sort by column on +reportedbugs, +subscribedbugs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61735
[16:33] <mpt> It needs reporting for each *type of* page where it's missing, because it needs to be implemented separately for each type afaict
[16:38]  * ScottK braves the new bug reporting scream at you box to report the bug then.
[16:41] <ScottK> Hobbsee: After it turned out removing *-security from *-changes mail was intentional, I no longer make assumptions about the design.
[16:43] <elmo> is there a bug about being able to search for bugs against a specific project?  I can't seem to see that option in advanced search
[16:44] <mrevell> Launchpad users meeting in #launchpad-meeting in 15 minutes.
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #187346 in launchpad "Multiple bug mails received when both package bug contact and on a team that's contact" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187346
[16:57] <mpt> elmo, what page are you on where you expect to be able to see that option?
[16:57] <mpt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu ?
[16:59] <elmo> mpt: actually, no, I was going the wrong way round
[16:59] <elmo> mpt: I went to my page, to try and search from there
[16:59] <elmo> eventually figured I have to go to the project page's bugs and advanced search from there
[17:00] <mrevell> users meeting in #launchpad-meeting now! :)
[17:02] <mpt> elmo, maybe that should have worked
[17:03] <mpt> e.g. maybe the search field on your Bugs page should have contained "involving:elmo" by default, which you could have deleted before entering "package:name-of-package-here" then your search terms
[17:03] <elmo> mpt: that'd be nice
[17:04] <elmo> mpt: the UI for advanced search is sucky in a couple of other ways too
[17:04] <elmo> mpt: the tag madness, which I have to assume is known, for a start
[17:04] <mpt> yeah
[17:04] <elmo> mpt:  but also the tick boxes for status, some of which are implicit, AFAICT
[17:04] <intellectronica> elmo: the tag madness?
[17:04] <mpt> Yes, if you uncheck all of them it searches for everything except Invalid + Won't Fix + Fix Released
[17:04] <mpt> Too many pages and controls, not enough power
[17:05] <elmo> intellectronica: https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Eelmo/+bugs?advanced=1
[17:05] <mpt> That looks like milestone madness to me
[17:06] <intellectronica> elmo: right, you mean the milestone madness
[17:06] <elmo> oh, right
[17:06] <elmo> I saw a long list of crap
[17:06] <elmo> assumed it was tags ;-)
[17:06] <elmo> sorry
[17:06] <intellectronica> yeah that's bonkers
[17:06] <mpt> bug 50970
[17:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50970 in malone "Don't list irrelevant milestones for person Bugs advanced search" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50970
[17:06] <intellectronica> that entire page could do with a redesign
[17:06] <mpt> first reported on 2006-06-26 by  Matthew Paul Thomas
[17:07] <intellectronica> sorry, elmo, i only picked that up because we introduced new behaviour for tag searches, and i wanted to hear if ppl have problems with it
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #187353 in launchpad-answers "project/+myquestions initial search uses different criteria than those shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187353
[17:12] <mpt> elmo, but if we didn't have an implicit default for status search, then by unchecking all the statuses it'd be possible to do a search that always returned zero results, and what would be the point of that? :-)
[17:18] <elmo> mpt: then don't allow them all to be unchecked - but "nothing selected => 3 states selected you don't know about, haha" is evil
[17:20] <mpt> fair point
[17:20] <mpt> though GUIs don't (and therefore HTML forms don't) have a standard "at least one of these" widget
[17:21] <elmo> yeah
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[17:39] <edu710> hi everyone
[17:39] <edu710> i discover this forum by the launchpad-meeting
[17:40] <mrevell> edu710: welcome :)
[17:40] <edu710> re hi 
[17:40] <edu710> ;-))
[17:41] <edu710> a good page https://help.launchpad.net/
[17:42] <Iulian> Indeed
[17:44] <ssh_rdp> Hi, just a question? those this url works for you? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/files
[17:45] <ssh_rdp> I am trying to branch lp:exaile and it doesn't work
[17:48] <ssh_rdp> It gives me a CherryPy error
[17:52] <LaserJock> quick question, is it possible to let *any* team member set the team as a bug contact?
[17:53] <LaserJock> I haven't found any option for it but I could be looking in the wrong place
[18:13] <mpt> Hobbsee, what did you mean by "removing search dialog boxes"?
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #187367 in launchpad "Offering mentorship seems to be a no-op" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187367
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[18:21] <PaulSmits> is it possible for a translator to ask the developers a question about a certain word, sentence, etc.?
[18:29] <LaserJock> PaulSmits: you can always try :-)
[18:29] <mpt> elmo, the statuses problem is bug 150867
[18:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150867 in malone "Status defaults in advanced search page are misleading" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150867
[18:31] <ubotu> New bug: #187369 in malone "Can't use any Bugs search form for searching in any context" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187369
[18:31] <elmo> mpt: thanks
[18:35] <PaulSmits> yes, im trying, LaserJock... but it might be a nice feature: being able to (directly) ask a developing team about a word/sentence/etc that's hard to translate because of e.g. double meanings.
[18:36] <LaserJock> PaulSmits: ah
[18:36] <LaserJock> that's a good question
[18:41] <PaulSmits> so i figure it isn't possible?
[18:42] <mpt> PaulSmits, it's not possible within Launchpad
[18:42] <PaulSmits> ok
[18:42] <mpt> but you should be able to go to "Overview" (perhaps opening the link in a separate window) and find out who the developers are, and get their contact info
[18:43] <LaserJock> PaulSmits: it wouldn't seem feasible from LP directly as I don't know that LP would know who to talk to
[18:43] <LaserJock> but yeah, as mpt said, it should be fairly straightforwad to figure out an email list or something to ask
[18:44] <mpt> bug 211 might be relevant here
[18:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211 in rosetta "Add comments to POFile for communication between translators" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211
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[18:50] <anathaniel> hi there
[18:50] <anathaniel> looking for an Ubuntu enthusiast from Bangalore
[18:50] <ubotu> New bug: #187376 in soyuz "Distribution source package release page links to non-existent distribution series source package release page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187376
[18:52] <anathaniel> anybody there?
[18:52] <PaulSmits> i found this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/suggestion-approve-rejection-explanation
[18:52] <PaulSmits> seems to solve the problem a bit
[18:54] <mpt> anathaniel, this channel is about Launchpad, not about Ubuntu or India
[18:54] <mpt> anathaniel, I suggest looking for an Indian Ubuntu LoCo team on the Ubuntu Web site
[18:57] <anathaniel> ok
[18:57] <anathaniel> thanks mpt
[18:57] <anathaniel> is there an Ubuntu room on Freenode?
[18:57] <mtaylor> anathaniel: yup... #ubuntu
[18:58] <anathaniel> thanks mtaylor
[19:06] <PaulSmits> where can i find information about the next meeting?
[19:30] <thumper> Hobbsee: what'd I kill?
[21:21] <ubotu> New bug: #187410 in launchpad "In launchpad translations, adding a second template doesn't work if the name of the second template is a prefix of the first" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187410
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[23:06] <Odd_Bloke> What's the best way to upgrade a branch from knits to packs?  Rename the old one to something else and push the new one?
[23:07] <Rinchen> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/developers/packrepo.html#upgrading-an-existing-branch-or-repository-to-knitpack-format
[23:08] <Rinchen> Odd_Bloke, look just above that for the --upgrade method
[23:13] <Odd_Bloke> Oh yeah, totally forgot I could upgrade remotely. /o\
[23:13] <Odd_Bloke> Rinchen: Thanks. :)
[23:14] <Rinchen> Odd_Bloke, you're welcome!