[11:14] <gerr1> juliux: ping
[11:15] <juliux> gerr1, pong
[11:18] <gerr1> i have spoken with marileze regarding the CDs
[11:18] <gerr1> can I ask why you want 5000? 
[11:19] <juliux> gerr1, pong
[11:20] <juliux> because cebit is the largest it event at world?
[11:20] <juliux> cebit has 400.000 visitors every year
[11:20] <juliux> last year the ubuntu booth has visitors over the whole day, we stand there 8h a day and talked with people and gave them cds
[11:21] <gerr1> sure and we wnat to support that 
[11:21] <juliux> ok
[11:21] <gerr1> but i question the value of giving a CD to everyone who visits
[11:22] <juliux> 5000cds if for cebit nothing
[11:22] <juliux> ask malcolm or christian how it was last year
[11:22] <gerr1> the feeling of our guys is that a small percentage of those who visit would actually use their cds 
[11:22] <gerr1> and  that is my experience at most shows 
[11:23] <gerr1> i have no problem with having a supply for those who ask for it 
[11:23] <juliux> what you will say to people if they ask you if they can have a cd but you have no left?
[11:23] <gerr1> they can download it 
[11:23] <juliux> everybody knows that there are free cds
[11:24] <gerr1> come on  people come and take 5 cds 
[11:24] <gerr1> o one of everything
[11:24] <gerr1> why would you need 5 cds? 
[11:24] <juliux> we don't give them 5cds
[11:24] <gerr1> There is a cost issue that is not insignificant 
[11:24] <gerr1> it costs about 1e a CD 
[11:25] <juliux> if there is a clear statment that there are no cds we will search for an other source for cds
[11:25] <gerr1> that's not what I mean
[11:25] <juliux> 1€ per cd?? we made only 800dvds in 2006 for 0,70€
[11:26] <gerr1> I mean we need to ship a sensible amount and give them out carefully
[11:26] <gerr1> ^^ that's the figure I am told 
[11:26] <gerr1> rolled in with shipping and packaging
[11:26] <juliux> ok then let me know how many cds we get from canonical and then we will see if we can get more cds from an other source or we will deal witht he small amount of cds
[11:27] <gerr1> 3000 is the figure I have agreed 
[11:27] <gerr1> BUT 
[11:27] <juliux> ok
[11:27] <gerr1> I still think w eneed to stop equating success at shows with number of CDs we give out 
[11:27] <gerr1> think of the environment for one 
[11:28] <juliux> we don't but the cds on a table in the front of the booth so everybody can grap one;) we give them to people if they asked and if we talked with them
[11:28] <gerr1> the fact that people are there to talk about ubuntu, to share experiences, to get some advice to talk about what is new is far more valuable 
[11:28] <gerr1> ^^yeah I know we've done that but not any more 
[11:29] <gerr1> :-[
[11:29] <gerr1> but come on how many CDs have you given to people you know already use it?
[11:29] <gerr1> what can they need a CD for? 
[11:30] <juliux> i know a lot of people and you also can see it at the german forum how many new people register there in the weeks after an event
[11:30] <juliux> but you are right with the cds, but that is a long term problem that should be announce not 4 weeks for an event
[11:31] <juliux> i think it would be cool to have tool that copies an ubuntu live system on a usb stick so people can start it from the ubs stick and if they don't like it they can erase ubuntu on the stick and can use the stick for something else
[11:32] <gerr1> 1. we are not stopping supplying CDs for shows 
[11:33] <juliux> but the amount;)
[11:34] <gerr1> we are reducing the amount at shows and trying to get them to people who wnat them 
[11:34] <gerr1> not the collectors you get at shows 
[11:34] <gerr1> 3000 is still a lot 
[11:35] <gerr1> i don't think we could do the USB stick as a give away
[11:35] <gerr1> is that what you mean? 
[11:35] <juliux> not as a give away
[11:35] <juliux> but a service that people can come with there own usb stick and we will put them an ubuntu livesystem on it
[11:40] <gerr1> oh right 
[11:40] <gerr1> sounds like a smashing idea; an Ubuntu Top Up Station
[11:40] <juliux> yeah
[11:41] <quesh> hello
[11:41] <juliux> i also think about to provide the ubuntu .isos via wlan
[11:41] <juliux> so everybody can contect to this wlan, but he only can download the iso files
[11:41] <juliux> perhaps i find time to build this things in the next weeks
[11:42] <juliux> so if somebody has his notebook he can easy download the iso files with a higher speed then at home
[11:42] <juliux> but that are only ideas atm
[11:52] <gerr1> loading it on the USB key sound doable and a very good alternative to CD giveaways if fast enough 
[11:56] <juliux> but i don't want to copy the iso to the usb key
[11:56] <juliux> there is a howto on the wikipage how to copy the content of the ubuntu iso to a usb key so you can boot from this usb key
[11:57] <juliux> so you can use the usb key like the live cd