[00:22] Does anyone know of a good algebra tutoring program? [00:23] I think there is something called mathasurus [00:23] letme check if I have it in my links [00:24] thanks :) i have ubuntu installed on a friends son's pc & he needs help in algebra [00:25] hmm did a search and it wasn't the one I was thinking of [00:25] I remember seeing something though, hmm [00:25] oh this is what I was talking about [00:25] http://www.asymptopia.org/ [00:25] but I don't htink it has algerbra [00:26] I'll do a search [00:27] thanks. id appreciate any help you can give. [00:27] Has anyone gotten sound to work on a thin client regarding a tsclient session to a Windows server (using PulseAudio)? Is it pretty straight-forward? [00:27] ive been doing searches myself, but havent found anything [00:28] yeah a lot of this stuff is really complicated [00:29] have you tried here? [00:29] http://happypenguin.org/ [00:29] boo nothing for algebra [00:30] never heard of happy penguin :) [00:30] i tried getdeb.net [00:30] but nothing there either [00:30] they do have a kids category [00:30] and that is a great resource in general [00:32] I found some windows ones [00:32] you might be able to use wine to runt hem [00:32] http://www.filesland.com/software/free-educational-software-algebra.html [00:32] mmmm dunno if i wanna get that complicated [00:32] http://www.educational-software-directory.net/math/algebra.html [00:33] it'd be nice to get some funding to develop such things :( [00:34] http://www.linux.com/feature/119896 [00:34] johnny, i don't see why it would be so hard, as long as you're in the right industry [00:35] and I'd definitely call the linux/education sector viable for programmers to make money writing open source software [00:36] http://www.nscf.org/ [00:36] wow..geogebra looks pretty cool =) [00:37] ooooh [00:37] yeah geo might work [00:37] it does indeed [00:37] cause he actually needs help w geometry as well [00:38] you can send the check in the mail [00:38] calimer, do you work for these companies? [00:39] no [00:39] it was a joke, for a finders fee :D [00:39] ooooh you were being sarcastic =p [00:39] ah [00:39] I work for my own company :D [00:39] it's crazy what's hiding in the corners of the internet...i never heard of these aps [00:39] and I work for several other companies too [00:39] apps* [00:39] yeah no kidding [00:39] i work for my own company as well [00:39] I'm going to take this opportunity to market my corner [00:39] what's your corner? [00:40] http://kids.platinumarts.net game design software for kids :D [00:40] wow [00:40] how does it run via ltsp? [00:40] huh [00:40] s/how/how well/ [00:40] you download it and run the binaries :D [00:41] with graphics and all i'd assume it would have to be optimized at some level for ltsp networks [00:41] not sure what those are [00:42] ahh...i guess you don't deal with edubuntu much then ;) [00:42] unfortunately not [00:42] my linux HD has mandrake on it :D [00:42] until I finish this stinkin doom 3 mod I'm stuck on windows D: [00:43] so do you not work at platinum arts? [00:43] I do it is my company :D [00:43] doom 3 runs on linux [00:43] yeah but the tools don't :( [00:43] :( [00:44] doom 1 runs on my mp3 player [00:44] my linux HD needs so much cleaning too, haha [00:44] there are like 60 mb free [00:44] and it is a 180 gig HD [00:44] er 160 [00:45] so calimer, you programmed this game design app? [00:45] no it is based on another engine [00:46] I actually try to stay out of the programming when I can :D [00:46] though now I do have a coder, woo hooo!! [00:46] it looks nice [00:47] you should see how well it runs on edubuntu thin client networks [00:47] the SVN is already much improved now too [00:47] I think my coder is actually using ubuntu [00:47] hopefully he knows what a think client network is [00:49] I get to use it to teach game design for an after school club soon, woo! [00:54] thin client network ;) [00:54] calimer, what after school club? [00:56] at a HS [01:13] just checked out geogebra [01:13] its very nice and very powerful [01:13] but a little too "over the head" of the person i need it for [01:17] does anyone know of a simple math tutoring program (does algebra and geomerty)? [01:22] PcPixel, from my perspective, algebra and geometry aren't simple so it would be impossible to have a 'simple geometry' program. [01:23] somethin that acts as a tutor [01:23] like "whats the area of teh square" [01:23] "complete this equation" [01:23] i dont need something like MathLab :) [01:25] this kid is in jr high & is having trouble in those subjects [01:31] something like kpercentage [01:32] or kbruch [05:00] I'm looking for a theory... I've got LDAP working on a server and I can connect to it on client, but I'm not getting consistent ldapsearch results from client/server [06:55] RichEd: Hi there. [06:56] hi [06:56] * johnny watches revdep-rebuild run [06:57] edubuntu does not use nfs right? [06:58] ltsp5 distributed with edubuntu does not use nfs [06:58] by default that is [06:58] for gutsy and onwards [06:58] feisty still uses nfs [06:59] ok [07:03] johnny: Have you ever created an add on CD?, i.e. Customising edubuntu then put all the packages added on a CD so that you can install it on different PC's running Edubuntu 7.10 [07:04] no, i haven't done that as of yet [07:04] in fact.. i've never installed edubuntu [07:04] only regular ubuntu [07:04] but i use ltsp with it [07:04] which is why i'm here [07:08] altho i'm sure it is the same as regular ubunt [07:08] sakhi, there are probably plenty of docs [07:08] if you search for "create ubuntu package cd [07:08] " [07:08] or "create debian package cd" [07:09] hmm.. if i was going to this kinda install tho.. i'd do it all over the network [07:09] instead of using cds [07:09] and just point the machines at that repository [07:09] with that machine running locally [07:10] johnny: It would work on a local network [07:11] but work differently on machines located in different areas. [10:50] where can I found LTSP source code that is used by edubuntu 7.10 [11:16] daya, apt-get source ltsp :) [11:16] hi ogra... quick question, I'm trying to get all of edubuntu-desktop into the fat chroot, and get this: [11:16] dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertion `!queuelen' failed. [11:16] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly [11:17] hum [11:17] no idea [11:17] i cant do dpkg --configure -a anymore, so I'm sorta stuck... [11:17] looks like a broken dpkg [11:18] how could I check to see which one? [11:18] i mean the program dpkg [11:18] dpkg: error processing libgdl-1-0 (--configure): [11:18] thats the last one before the error [11:18] ah... oh [11:18] dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertion `!queuelen' failed. [11:18] looks serious [11:18] dpkg: too many errors, stopping [11:19] I get that just before [11:19] can you check the scrollback for the very first error ? [11:19] i suspect thats not the first [11:20] ogra, which list in repo [11:20] ogra, its from ubuntu [11:21] its identical [11:21] GC Warning: Couldn't read /proc/stat [11:21] Couldn't read /proc/self/stat [11:21] Aborted (core dumped) [11:21] Nubae, heh [11:21] mount proc in the chroot [11:21] some packages require it [11:21] doh, makes sense [11:22] i think one package couldnt fifnish because of missing proc and pulled the others over the edge [11:22] anyway, I'm close now... gdm went through, authentication worked, but went to a terminal after gdm cause edubuntu-desktop wasnt entireley installed [11:23] !!! dont forget to unmount proc before leaving the chroot !!! [11:25] yeah cool, that did it... [11:25] how about /sys... mount that? [11:26] should work without [11:26] only if you start to see intresting errors again :) [11:27] so I'll put the wiki here: wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPFatClientHowto [11:27] that ok? [11:28] hmm [11:28] i wonder if it shouldnt rather be on help.u.c [11:28] below the UbuntuLTSP category [11:29] also... the instruction to mount proc... should I put that before apt-get install edubuntu-desktop? [11:29] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP [11:29] yep [11:29] directly after entering the chroot is best [11:30] ok, maybe I can link from the community help to the ubuntu wiki [11:30] I mean write in community, link from ubuntu wiki [11:31] no, keep it in one place [11:31] ok [11:31] (community help is actually a wiki ... you can use it with your normal wiki credentials) [11:32] it has just a sligh mor official touch [11:32] *slightly more [11:32] k [11:36] still cant set the root passwd though [11:36] weird [11:37] you dont use sudo *inside* the chroot for that, right ? [11:37] NOW it takes for ever to build the image :-) [11:37] heh, no [11:38] hmm cant unmount proc [11:38] check with mount [11:38] and repeat the unmounting [11:39] what do you mean? [11:40] repeat the umount command [11:40] * ogra needs to reboot ... brb [11:53] lol... ok so shutdown doesnt work from within the chroot [11:54] but at least that unmount proc from within the chroot 8) [12:13] hmmm startup hangs at * Starting LTSP thin client [12:14] and can't login from terminal either [12:16] ogra, could something in the LTSP init scripts be stopping it? [12:17] try moving the gdm startup before the ltsp-client one [12:18] which file is that in? [12:26] ogra, u mean move S30gdm to runlevel 0? [12:33] no to S20 ... anything smaller than ltsp-client-core [12:44] hmm, gets stuck on Starting Gnome Display Manager now [12:44] so that wasnt it... [12:44] ogra: ping [12:48] ogra, any ideas? [12:50] Nubae, actually not, no [12:50] drop splash and quiet from the botooptions, that should give more info [12:50] highvoltage, pong [12:51] ogra: there's a long list of people who applied to join the edubuntu-members team, but never sent a mail to us, or showed any kind of real-life interest. can I decline them on LP and include text on the membership process? [12:52] sure [12:52] ogra: a bunch of the requests as old as 2006 even: https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-members/+members [12:52] go ahead [12:52] ok, cool [12:52] i know rich meant to do that long ago, but we're both way to busy [12:53] me too, also been busy :) [12:53] ogra, did that already, nothing shows [12:53] well, after all the changes in edubuntu land it should be a lot better for me in hardy+1 :) [12:53] no more CD to care for takes a ton of my sholders [12:54] weird thing is before doing a complete apt-get install edubuntu-desktop, it was going through to gdm without problems [12:55] so some new init script must be stopping the process now, no? [12:55] ogra: the company I work for is being swallowed by a much bigger company, and a lot of my work will now be delegated, so things should go smoother for me too [12:55] ah, nice [12:59] highvoltage: that's sounds good. [12:59] hey sakhi, haven't seen you in this channel before. [12:59] sakhi: you should get jeremy to be here too :) [13:01] darn, I can't login to the terminal so can't see the logs... dead end [13:01] ummm where again? new company? [13:01] sakhi: Business Connexion [13:02] don't worry. [13:02] it will be done !-) [13:04] ogra, could this have to do with requiring the netgroups part of ldap, registering the host as well as the users? [13:05] Nubae, might be [13:09] ogra: do existing Ubuntu members get to join Edubuntu Members for free? I see nixternal also applied at one stage [13:10] they should get it for free imho, yes [13:10] * ogra thought nixternal is member since ages [13:10] do other people have to pay? [13:10] ogra: I thought so too [13:11] laga: no, it's just an expression we use [13:11] laga, only the ones with green nicknames in xchats default coloring :P [13:11] laga: when you are an Edubuntu Member, you are also an Ubuntu Member, so we say that the person gets Ubuntu membership "for free" [13:11] I became an edubuntu member without having to go through the whole process as I was an Ubuntu member [13:11] right [13:11] ok, can I approve nixternal then? [13:12] i dont object [13:12] ogra: :P [13:12] hmmm, should I delete all system groups from ldap too? [13:13] Nubae, switch off ldap completely in the chroot and check if it boots then [13:13] just backup and edit the pam config files [13:13] * juliux is a edubuntu member but no ubuntu member;) [13:13] if it still doesnt boot its not ldap related [13:14] right, ok, good point [13:14] juliux, you are spethial anyway :) [13:14] ogra, spethial? [13:15] but in any case, should I delete all system groups from ldap, or just system users? [13:15] juliux, pronounce it :) (in english ... good training against german accent :P ) [13:15] ogra, ohhhh [13:15] highvoltage: Hi there [13:15] *g* [13:15] highvoltage: Ek is hier al die tyd [13:16] juliux, btw, you wanted to send me a form [13:16] jvanrooyen: hi [13:16] ogra, oh shit, i will send you that mail now;) [13:16] :) [13:16] sakhi: Hi [13:16] i got the payment reminder though *g* [13:17] oh, hi jvanrooyen, didn't notice that nick :) [13:17] highvoltage: lol [13:17] highvoltage: how are you mnr? [13:18] ogra: cliebow also applied for membership. he's an LTSP guy, right? should I ping him first and find out if he's still interested? [13:18] ARGH [13:18] mail flood [13:18] ogra, send out [13:18] highvoltage, he likely is [13:18] ogra: ok, I'm not going to decline him [13:18] ogra, i am working on a script that send the reminders automaticly out;) [13:19] * ogra wonders where to sort these tons of LP mails now [13:19] ogra: *delete*! [13:19] ogra, mv *launchpad* /dev/null [13:19] * ogra follows sheepish [13:20] ah, thats better :) [13:20] ogra: should we make the next edubuntu meeting a council meeting? or would that be too short notice? [13:20] its the late one, right [13:21] well [13:21] and its the first meeting of the month [13:21] then we could give the last 3 members who are left on the list a chance to get through, if they still want to [13:21] we once said each first one is EC [13:21] was soooo confused... [13:21] ogra: ok [13:21] we should probably return to that [13:22] there will happen something historic, a edubuntu council meeting [13:22] lol [13:22] * juliux will mark that day red in his calendar [13:22] good idea! [13:22] * highvoltage marks it in calender too (has really short memory) [13:23] ogra, btw i am back for testing edubuntu [13:23] we should ask LaserJock to mark it on the fridge [13:23] yay, it's just 2 days before my birthday [13:23] juliux, there is not much to test :) [13:23] ogra, my girl friend donate me a third tft;) [13:23] ogra, for me there is my last edubuntu installation is 1,5 years old [13:23] * highvoltage nearly read that very wrongly [13:24] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2008-January/003218.html <-- juliux [13:24] ogra, i allready see the installtion point build ltsp on the alternate cd;9 [13:24] right [13:25] if you want to test ltsp, use the alternate cd [13:25] that is what i have done yesterday but the -desktop packages are broken [13:25] i usually test daily running a virtualbox install, alpha4 will be good to go [13:26] hmm, the 20080130 build worked for me [13:26] it was 20080129 [13:26] ah [13:30] jigo sricpt started for 20080130 [13:30] jigdo [13:30] i couldnt test 31 yet ... my vbox drivers are broken [13:31] at home i use the small transtec pc for testing [13:33] i built a pretty fat machine over christmas ... i'm doing everything on it via ltsp now ... [13:33] cool [13:34] do you know a thinclient with two vga out? [13:34] sadly no [13:34] i still love it to work with two 17" tfts [13:34] but there are SBC boards with two VGA out's [13:35] you could assemble something yourself [13:35] i was secretly contemplating turning my workstation into a fat client because the hard drive is bothering me. not sure if that's a good idea over fast ethernet [13:35] laga, i have allready everything on my file server [13:36] my "file server" only holds my multimedia files. hum [13:36] my fileserver has a raid5 my client a very old notebook harddisk so all important files are on my fileserver [13:36] * laga suppresses the urge to buy a thin client and retire his workstation to a closet [13:38] great. now i searched ebay for "thin client" and found some cheap hardware. now i want to build both a thin client and a new mythtv frontend. gee. [13:38] * laga closes laptop and goes back to homework [13:39] http://www.abeco.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=1547a1cf4286c50/shopdata/0160_Nano+=26amp=3Bslash=3B+IEM+Embedded+Boards+=26amp=3Bslash=3B+KAMIO=28RISC=29/product_details.shopscript?article=0010_NANO-9453%2B-%2BRoHS%2B%3D28X00454%3D29 [13:39] thats pretty fat [13:42] nice board;) [13:43] mount that to the back of a TFT and put one in every room of your house ;) [13:44] (touchscreen TFT indeed :) ) [13:44] i have only one room so no problem;) [13:44] heh [13:45] i have 36qm and 5 computers;) [13:46] * ogra is playing with the thought of using ltsp for home automation at some point :) [14:42] oh man... I give up, gonna start from a new chroot [15:25] hmmm, ogra should I be doing ltsp-update-kernels? === PriceChild is now known as pmdgandalf_ === pmdgandalf_ is now known as PriceChild [15:56] ogra: good news for you, first we have a 1.0.5 iTalc out including one of my patches (localization thing), second is that I and Tobias Doerffel (iTalc's upstream) isolated the bug [15:56] it's a problem with the integrated x11vnc like which is crashing as soon as italc connects [16:02] yippie !"!!! [16:02] * ogra dances [16:05] now, I just need to regenerates the packages + dbgsym packages so I can debug it [16:05] (well, rather run gdb and send the backtrace right to Tobias :)) [16:09] cool, so hardy will have a working thin client manager ;-) [16:16] ogra: do you happen to know how to make pbuilder to produce -dbgsym packages ? I installed pkg-create-dbgsym but it doesn't seem to help [16:21] ogra: oh, maybe I need to install it in the chroot instead of the server itself :) [16:22] * stgraber will have to update his chroot builder scripts ... [16:25] Nubae, but it'll be uuugly :) [16:25] oh no, it is that pygi guy :p [16:42] ogra if I do apt-get install edubuntu-addon-light will that pull enough through to get a working fat environment? [17:56] ogra: ouch, took me some time to get a proper backtrace from the vnc part of italc but I finally have it :) [17:56] ogra: let's hope Tobias will quickly find the problem [18:12] ogra, RichEd: regarding gcompris translations, for gutsy the fixed translations where supposed to go out in December but LP isn't behaving [18:13] * RichEd sorts out the misbehaving with a sharp clip around the earhole [18:13] oops left out the LP [18:13] LaserJock: will it be sorted out for hardy ? [18:14] RichEd: it's been sorted for Hardy for months [18:14] that was the easy part [18:14] excellent ... dood [18:14] thanks [18:15] I'm on the gcompris-devel mailing list and will certainly let them know when it's fixed [18:15] I also talked to some Canonical people to try to ... speed up getting it fixed [18:17] * RichEd is confused ... [18:17] "let them know when it's fixed" <- for gutsy ? [18:17] or does something need to be fixed for hardy ? [18:18] gutsy [18:18] nobody cares about Hardy yet [18:18] but the gcompris developer is french and is really upset that gutsy messed up his translations [18:19] he wanted to use Edubuntu to show of gcompris to french schools, but he says it's useless for him [18:20] hmm, latest lang pack .debs in PPA aren't fixed [18:23] gotta run, bbl === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd [18:42] Edubuntu ready for testing (Alpha4 candidates) http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/edubuntu/all