[00:22] <PcPixel> Does anyone know of a good algebra tutoring program?
[00:23] <calimer> I think there is something called mathasurus
[00:23] <calimer> letme check if I have it in my links
[00:24] <PcPixel> thanks :) i have ubuntu installed on a friends son's pc & he needs help in algebra
[00:25] <calimer> hmm did a search and it wasn't the one I was thinking of
[00:25] <calimer> I remember seeing something though, hmm
[00:25] <calimer> oh this is what I was talking about
[00:25] <calimer> http://www.asymptopia.org/
[00:25] <calimer> but I don't htink it has algerbra
[00:26] <calimer> I'll do a search
[00:27] <PcPixel> thanks. id appreciate any help you can give.
[00:27] <lns> Has anyone gotten sound to work on a thin client regarding a tsclient session to a Windows server (using PulseAudio)? Is it pretty straight-forward?
[00:27] <PcPixel> ive been doing searches myself, but havent found anything
[00:28] <calimer> yeah a lot of this stuff is really complicated
[00:29] <calimer> have you tried here?
[00:29] <calimer> http://happypenguin.org/
[00:29] <calimer> boo nothing for algebra
[00:30] <PcPixel> never heard of happy penguin :)
[00:30] <PcPixel> i tried getdeb.net
[00:30] <PcPixel> but nothing there either
[00:30] <calimer> they do have a kids category
[00:30] <calimer> and that is a great resource in general
[00:32] <calimer> I found some windows ones
[00:32] <calimer> you  might be able to use wine to runt hem
[00:32] <calimer> http://www.filesland.com/software/free-educational-software-algebra.html
[00:32] <PcPixel> mmmm dunno if i wanna get that complicated
[00:32] <calimer> http://www.educational-software-directory.net/math/algebra.html
[00:33] <johnny> it'd be nice to get some funding to develop such things :(
[00:34] <calimer> http://www.linux.com/feature/119896
[00:34] <lns> johnny, i don't see why it would be so hard, as long as you're in the right industry
[00:35] <lns> and I'd definitely call the linux/education sector viable for programmers to make money writing open source software
[00:36] <calimer> http://www.nscf.org/
[00:36] <lns> wow..geogebra looks pretty cool =)
[00:37] <PcPixel> ooooh
[00:37] <PcPixel> yeah geo might work
[00:37] <calimer> it does indeed
[00:37] <PcPixel> cause he actually needs help w geometry as well
[00:38] <calimer> you can send the check in the mail
[00:38] <lns> calimer, do you work for these companies?
[00:39] <calimer> no
[00:39] <calimer> it was a joke, for a finders fee :D
[00:39] <lns> ooooh you were being sarcastic =p
[00:39] <lns> ah
[00:39] <calimer> I work for my own company :D
[00:39] <lns> it's crazy what's hiding in the corners of the internet...i never heard of these aps
[00:39] <calimer> and I work for several other companies too
[00:39] <lns> apps*
[00:39] <calimer> yeah no kidding
[00:39] <lns> i work for my own company as well
[00:39] <calimer> I'm going to take this opportunity to market my corner
[00:39] <lns> what's your corner?
[00:40] <calimer> http://kids.platinumarts.net game design software for kids :D
[00:40] <lns> wow
[00:40] <lns> how does it run via ltsp?
[00:40] <calimer> huh
[00:40] <lns> s/how/how well/
[00:40] <calimer> you download it and run the binaries :D
[00:41] <lns> with graphics and all i'd assume it would have to be optimized at some level for ltsp networks
[00:41] <calimer> not sure what those are
[00:42] <lns> ahh...i guess you don't deal with edubuntu much then ;)
[00:42] <calimer> unfortunately not
[00:42] <calimer> my linux HD has mandrake on it :D
[00:42] <calimer> until I finish this stinkin doom 3 mod I'm stuck on windows D:
[00:43] <lns> so do you not work at platinum arts?
[00:43] <calimer> I do it is my company :D
[00:43] <kgoetz> doom 3 runs on linux
[00:43] <calimer> yeah but the tools don't :(
[00:43] <kgoetz> :(
[00:44] <lns> doom 1 runs on my mp3 player
[00:44] <calimer> my linux HD needs so much cleaning too, haha
[00:44] <calimer> there are like 60 mb free
[00:44] <calimer> and it is a 180 gig HD
[00:44] <calimer> er 160
[00:45] <lns> so calimer, you programmed this game design app?
[00:45] <calimer> no it is based on another engine
[00:46] <calimer> I actually try to stay out of the programming when I can :D
[00:46] <calimer> though now I do have a coder, woo hooo!!
[00:46] <lns> it looks nice
[00:47] <lns> you should see how well it runs on edubuntu thin client networks
[00:47] <calimer> the SVN is already much improved now too
[00:47] <calimer> I think my coder is actually using ubuntu
[00:47] <calimer> hopefully he knows what a think client network is
[00:49] <calimer> I get to use it to teach game design for an after school club soon, woo!
[00:54] <lns> thin client network ;)
[00:54] <lns> calimer, what after school club?
[00:56] <calimer> at a HS
[01:13] <PcPixel> just checked out geogebra
[01:13] <PcPixel> its very nice and very powerful
[01:13] <PcPixel> but a little too "over the head" of the person i need it for
[01:17] <PcPixel> does anyone know of a simple math tutoring program (does algebra and geomerty)?
[01:22] <lns> PcPixel, from my perspective, algebra and geometry aren't simple so it would be impossible to have a 'simple geometry' program.
[01:23] <PcPixel> somethin that acts as a tutor
[01:23] <PcPixel> like "whats the area of teh square"
[01:23] <PcPixel> "complete this equation"
[01:23] <PcPixel> i dont need something like MathLab :)
[01:25] <PcPixel> this kid is in jr high & is having trouble in those subjects
[01:31] <PcPixel> something like kpercentage
[01:32] <PcPixel> or kbruch
[05:00] <y> I'm looking for a theory... I've got LDAP working on a server and I can connect to it on client, but I'm not getting consistent ldapsearch results from client/server
[06:55] <sakhi> RichEd: Hi there.
[06:56] <RichEd> hi
[06:56]  * johnny watches revdep-rebuild run
[06:57] <sakhi> edubuntu does not use nfs right?
[06:58] <johnny> ltsp5 distributed with edubuntu does not use nfs
[06:58] <johnny> by default that is
[06:58] <johnny> for gutsy and onwards
[06:58] <johnny> feisty still uses nfs
[06:59] <sakhi> ok
[07:03] <sakhi> johnny: Have you ever created an add on CD?, i.e. Customising edubuntu then put all the packages added on a CD so that you can install it on different PC's running Edubuntu 7.10
[07:04] <johnny> no, i haven't done that as of yet
[07:04] <johnny> in fact.. i've never installed edubuntu
[07:04] <johnny> only regular ubuntu
[07:04] <johnny> but i use ltsp with it
[07:04] <johnny> which is why i'm here
[07:08] <johnny> altho i'm sure it is the same as regular ubunt
[07:08] <johnny> sakhi, there are probably plenty of docs
[07:08] <johnny> if you search for "create ubuntu package cd
[07:08] <johnny> "
[07:08] <johnny> or "create debian package cd"
[07:09] <johnny> hmm.. if i was going to this kinda install tho.. i'd do it all over the network
[07:09] <johnny> instead of using cds
[07:09] <johnny> and just point the machines at that repository
[07:09] <johnny> with that machine running locally
[07:10] <sakhi> johnny: It would work on a local network
[07:11] <sakhi> but work differently on machines located in different areas.
[10:50] <daya> where can I found LTSP source code that is used by edubuntu 7.10
[11:16] <ogra> daya, apt-get source ltsp :)
[11:16] <Nubae> hi ogra... quick question, I'm trying to get all of edubuntu-desktop into the fat chroot, and get this:
[11:16] <Nubae> dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertion `!queuelen' failed.
[11:16] <Nubae> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly
[11:17] <ogra> hum
[11:17] <ogra> no idea
[11:17] <Nubae> i cant do dpkg --configure -a anymore, so I'm sorta stuck...
[11:17] <ogra> looks like a broken dpkg
[11:18] <Nubae> how could I check to see which one?
[11:18] <ogra> i mean the program dpkg
[11:18] <Nubae> dpkg: error processing libgdl-1-0 (--configure):
[11:18] <Nubae>  thats the last one before the error
[11:18] <Nubae> ah... oh
[11:18] <ogra> dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertion `!queuelen' failed.
[11:18] <ogra> looks serious
[11:18] <Nubae> dpkg: too many errors, stopping
[11:19] <Nubae>  I get that just before
[11:19] <ogra> can you check the scrollback for the very first error ?
[11:19] <ogra> i suspect thats not the first
[11:20] <daya> ogra, which list in repo
[11:20] <daya> ogra, its from ubuntu
[11:21] <ogra> its identical
[11:21] <Nubae> GC Warning: Couldn't read /proc/stat
[11:21] <Nubae> Couldn't read /proc/self/stat
[11:21] <Nubae> Aborted (core dumped)
[11:21] <ogra> Nubae, heh
[11:21] <ogra> mount proc in the chroot
[11:21] <ogra> some packages require it
[11:21] <Nubae> doh, makes sense
[11:22] <ogra> i think one package couldnt fifnish because of missing proc and pulled the others over the edge
[11:22] <Nubae> anyway, I'm close now... gdm went through, authentication worked, but went to a terminal after gdm cause edubuntu-desktop wasnt entireley installed
[11:23] <ogra> !!! dont forget to unmount proc before leaving the chroot !!!
[11:25] <Nubae> yeah cool, that did it...
[11:25] <Nubae> how about /sys... mount that?
[11:26] <ogra> should work without
[11:26] <ogra> only if you start to see intresting errors again :)
[11:27] <Nubae> so I'll put the wiki here: wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPFatClientHowto
[11:27] <Nubae> that ok?
[11:28] <ogra> hmm
[11:28] <ogra> i wonder if it shouldnt rather be on help.u.c
[11:28] <ogra> below the UbuntuLTSP category
[11:29] <Nubae> also... the instruction to mount proc... should I put that before apt-get install edubuntu-desktop?
[11:29] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[11:29] <ogra> yep
[11:29] <ogra> directly after entering the chroot is best
[11:30] <Nubae> ok, maybe I can link from the community help to the ubuntu wiki
[11:30] <Nubae> I mean write in community, link from ubuntu wiki
[11:31] <ogra> no, keep it in one place
[11:31] <Nubae> ok
[11:31] <ogra> (community help is actually a wiki ... you can use it with your normal wiki credentials)
[11:32] <ogra> it has just a sligh mor official touch
[11:32] <ogra> *slightly more
[11:32] <Nubae> k
[11:36] <Nubae> still cant set the root passwd though
[11:36] <ogra> weird
[11:37] <ogra> you dont use sudo *inside* the chroot for that, right ?
[11:37] <Nubae> NOW it takes for ever to build the image :-)
[11:37] <Nubae> heh, no
[11:38] <Nubae> hmm cant unmount proc
[11:38] <ogra> check with mount
[11:38] <ogra> and repeat the unmounting
[11:39] <Nubae> what do you mean?
[11:40] <ogra> repeat the umount command
[11:40]  * ogra needs to reboot ... brb
[11:53] <Nubae> lol... ok so shutdown doesnt work from within the chroot
[11:54] <Nubae> but at least that unmount proc from within the chroot 8)
[12:13] <Nubae> hmmm startup hangs at * Starting LTSP thin client
[12:14] <Nubae> and can't login from terminal either
[12:16] <Nubae> ogra, could something in the LTSP init scripts be stopping it?
[12:17] <ogra> try moving the gdm startup before the ltsp-client one
[12:18] <Nubae> which file is that in?
[12:26] <Nubae> ogra, u mean move S30gdm to runlevel 0?
[12:33] <ogra> no to S20 ... anything smaller than ltsp-client-core
[12:44] <Nubae> hmm, gets stuck on Starting Gnome Display Manager now
[12:44] <Nubae> so that wasnt it...
[12:44] <highvoltage> ogra: ping
[12:48] <Nubae> ogra, any ideas?
[12:50] <ogra> Nubae, actually not, no
[12:50] <ogra> drop splash and quiet from the botooptions, that should give more info
[12:50] <ogra> highvoltage, pong
[12:51] <highvoltage> ogra: there's a long list of people who applied to join the edubuntu-members team, but never sent a mail to us, or showed any kind of real-life interest. can I decline them on LP and include text on the membership process?
[12:52] <ogra> sure
[12:52] <highvoltage> ogra: a bunch of the requests as old as 2006 even: https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-members/+members
[12:52] <ogra> go ahead
[12:52] <highvoltage> ok, cool
[12:52] <ogra> i know rich meant to do that long ago, but we're both way to busy
[12:53] <highvoltage> me too, also been busy :)
[12:53] <Nubae> ogra, did that already, nothing shows
[12:53] <ogra> well, after all the changes in edubuntu land it should be a lot better for me in hardy+1 :)
[12:53] <ogra> no more CD to care for takes a ton of my sholders
[12:54] <Nubae> weird thing is before doing a complete apt-get install edubuntu-desktop, it was going through to gdm without problems
[12:55] <Nubae> so some new init script must be stopping the process now, no?
[12:55] <highvoltage> ogra: the company I work for is being swallowed by a much bigger company, and a lot of my work will now be delegated, so things should go smoother for me too
[12:55] <ogra> ah, nice
[12:59] <sakhi> highvoltage: that's sounds good.
[12:59] <highvoltage> hey sakhi, haven't seen you in this channel before.
[12:59] <highvoltage> sakhi: you should get jeremy to be here too :)
[13:01] <Nubae> darn, I can't login to the terminal so can't see the logs... dead end
[13:01] <sakhi> ummm where again? new company?
[13:01] <highvoltage> sakhi: Business Connexion
[13:02] <sakhi> don't worry.
[13:02] <sakhi> it will be done !-)
[13:04] <Nubae> ogra, could this have to do with requiring the netgroups part of ldap, registering the host as well as the users?
[13:05] <ogra> Nubae, might be
[13:09] <highvoltage> ogra: do existing Ubuntu members get to join Edubuntu Members for free? I see nixternal also applied at one stage
[13:10] <ogra> they should get it for free imho, yes
[13:10]  * ogra thought nixternal is member since ages
[13:10] <laga> do other people have to pay?
[13:10] <highvoltage> ogra: I thought so too
[13:11] <highvoltage> laga: no, it's just an expression we use
[13:11] <ogra> laga, only the ones with green nicknames in xchats default coloring :P
[13:11] <highvoltage> laga: when you are an Edubuntu Member, you are also an Ubuntu Member, so we say that the person gets Ubuntu membership "for free"
[13:11] <stgraber> I became an edubuntu member without having to go through the whole process as I was an Ubuntu member
[13:11] <ogra> right
[13:11] <highvoltage> ok, can I approve nixternal then?
[13:12] <ogra> i dont object
[13:12] <laga> ogra: :P
[13:12] <Nubae> hmmm, should I delete all system groups from ldap too?
[13:13] <ogra> Nubae, switch off ldap completely in the chroot and check if it boots then
[13:13] <ogra> just backup and edit the pam config files
[13:13]  * juliux is a edubuntu member but no ubuntu member;)
[13:13] <ogra> if it still doesnt boot its not ldap related
[13:14] <Nubae> right, ok, good point
[13:14] <ogra> juliux, you are spethial anyway :)
[13:14] <juliux> ogra, spethial?
[13:15] <Nubae> but in any case, should I delete all system groups from ldap, or just system users?
[13:15] <ogra> juliux, pronounce it :) (in english ... good training against german accent :P )
[13:15] <juliux> ogra, ohhhh
[13:15] <jvanrooyen> highvoltage: Hi there
[13:15] <ogra> *g*
[13:15] <jvanrooyen> highvoltage: Ek is hier al die tyd
[13:16] <ogra> juliux, btw, you wanted to send me a form
[13:16] <sakhi> jvanrooyen: hi
[13:16] <juliux> ogra, oh shit, i will send you that mail now;)
[13:16] <ogra> :)
[13:16] <jvanrooyen> sakhi: Hi
[13:16] <ogra> i got the payment reminder though *g*
[13:17] <highvoltage> oh, hi jvanrooyen, didn't notice that nick :)
[13:17] <jvanrooyen> highvoltage: lol
[13:17] <jvanrooyen> highvoltage: how are you mnr?
[13:18] <highvoltage> ogra: cliebow also applied for membership. he's an LTSP guy, right? should I ping him first and find out if he's still interested?
[13:18] <ogra> ARGH
[13:18] <ogra> mail flood
[13:18] <juliux> ogra, send out
[13:18] <ogra> highvoltage, he likely is
[13:18] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, I'm not going to decline him
[13:18] <juliux> ogra, i am working on a script that send the reminders automaticly out;)
[13:19]  * ogra wonders where to sort these tons of LP mails now
[13:19] <highvoltage> ogra: *delete*!
[13:19] <juliux> ogra, mv *launchpad* /dev/null
[13:19]  * ogra follows sheepish
[13:20] <ogra> ah, thats better :)
[13:20] <highvoltage> ogra: should we make the next edubuntu meeting a council meeting? or would that be too short notice?
[13:20] <ogra> its the late one, right
[13:21] <ogra> well
[13:21] <ogra> and its the first meeting of the month
[13:21] <highvoltage> then we could give the last 3 members who are left on the list a chance to get through, if they still want to
[13:21] <ogra> we once said each first one is EC
[13:21] <sakhi> was soooo confused...
[13:21] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[13:21] <ogra> we should probably return to that
[13:22] <juliux> there will happen something historic, a edubuntu council meeting
[13:22] <ogra> lol
[13:22]  * juliux will mark that day red in his calendar
[13:22] <highvoltage> good idea!
[13:22]  * highvoltage marks it in calender too (has really short memory)
[13:23] <juliux> ogra, btw i am back for testing edubuntu
[13:23] <ogra> we should ask LaserJock to mark it on the fridge
[13:23] <highvoltage> yay, it's just 2 days before my birthday
[13:23] <ogra> juliux, there is not much to test :)
[13:23] <juliux> ogra, my girl friend donate me a third tft;)
[13:23] <juliux> ogra, for me there is my last edubuntu installation is 1,5 years old
[13:23]  * highvoltage nearly read that very wrongly
[13:24] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2008-January/003218.html <-- juliux
[13:24] <juliux> ogra, i allready see the installtion point build ltsp on the alternate cd;9
[13:24] <ogra> right
[13:25] <ogra> if you want to test ltsp, use the alternate cd
[13:25] <juliux> that is what i have done yesterday but the -desktop packages are broken
[13:25] <ogra> i usually test daily running a virtualbox install, alpha4 will be good to go
[13:26] <ogra> hmm, the 20080130 build worked for me
[13:26] <juliux> it was 20080129
[13:26] <ogra> ah
[13:30] <juliux> jigo sricpt started for 20080130
[13:30] <juliux> jigdo
[13:30] <ogra> i couldnt test 31 yet ... my vbox drivers are broken
[13:31] <juliux> at home i use the small transtec pc for testing
[13:33] <ogra> i built a pretty fat machine over christmas ... i'm doing everything on it via ltsp now ...
[13:33] <juliux> cool
[13:34] <juliux> do you know a thinclient with two vga out?
[13:34] <ogra> sadly no
[13:34] <juliux> i still love it to work with two 17" tfts
[13:34] <ogra> but there are SBC boards with two VGA out's
[13:35] <ogra> you could assemble something yourself
[13:35] <laga> i was secretly contemplating turning my workstation into a fat client because the hard drive is bothering me. not sure if that's a good idea over fast ethernet
[13:35] <juliux> laga, i  have allready everything on my file server
[13:36] <laga> my "file server" only holds my multimedia files. hum
[13:36] <juliux> my fileserver has a raid5 my client a very old notebook harddisk so all important files are on my fileserver
[13:36]  * laga suppresses the urge to buy a thin client and retire his workstation to a closet
[13:38] <laga> great. now i searched ebay for "thin client" and found some cheap hardware. now i want to build both a thin client and a new mythtv frontend. gee.
[13:38]  * laga closes laptop and goes back to homework
[13:39] <ogra> http://www.abeco.de/sess/utn;jsessionid=1547a1cf4286c50/shopdata/0160_Nano+=26amp=3Bslash=3B+IEM+Embedded+Boards+=26amp=3Bslash=3B+KAMIO=28RISC=29/product_details.shopscript?article=0010_NANO-9453%2B-%2BRoHS%2B%3D28X00454%3D29
[13:39] <ogra> thats pretty fat
[13:42] <juliux> nice board;)
[13:43] <ogra> mount that to the back of a TFT and put one in every room of your house ;)
[13:44] <ogra> (touchscreen TFT indeed :) )
[13:44] <juliux> i have only one room so no problem;)
[13:44] <ogra> heh
[13:45] <juliux> i have 36qm and 5 computers;)
[13:46]  * ogra is playing with the thought of using ltsp for home automation at some point :)
[14:42] <Nubae> oh man... I give up, gonna start from a new chroot
[15:25] <Nubae> hmmm, ogra should I be doing ltsp-update-kernels?
[15:56] <stgraber> ogra: good news for you, first we have a 1.0.5 iTalc out including one of my patches (localization thing), second is that I and Tobias Doerffel (iTalc's upstream) isolated the bug
[15:56] <stgraber> it's a problem with the integrated x11vnc like which is crashing as soon as italc connects
[16:02] <ogra> yippie !"!!!
[16:02]  * ogra dances
[16:05] <stgraber> now, I just need to regenerates the packages + dbgsym packages so I can debug it
[16:05] <stgraber> (well, rather run gdb and send the backtrace right to Tobias :))
[16:09] <Nubae> cool, so hardy will have a working thin client manager ;-)
[16:16] <stgraber> ogra: do you happen to know how to make pbuilder to produce -dbgsym packages ? I installed pkg-create-dbgsym but it doesn't seem to help
[16:21] <stgraber> ogra: oh, maybe I need to install it in the chroot instead of the server itself :)
[16:22]  * stgraber will have to update his chroot builder scripts ...
[16:25] <pygi> Nubae, but it'll be uuugly :)
[16:25] <nixternal> oh no, it is that pygi guy :p
[16:42] <Nubae> ogra if I do  apt-get install edubuntu-addon-light will that pull enough through to get a working fat environment?
[17:56] <stgraber> ogra: ouch, took me some time to get a proper backtrace from the vnc part of italc but I finally have it :)
[17:56] <stgraber> ogra: let's hope Tobias will quickly find the problem
[18:12] <LaserJock> ogra, RichEd: regarding gcompris translations, for gutsy the fixed translations where supposed to go out in December but LP isn't behaving
[18:13]  * RichEd sorts out the misbehaving with a sharp clip around the earhole
[18:13] <RichEd> oops left out the LP
[18:13] <RichEd> LaserJock: will it be sorted out for hardy ?
[18:14] <LaserJock> RichEd: it's been sorted for Hardy for months
[18:14] <LaserJock> that was the easy part
[18:14] <RichEd> excellent ... dood
[18:14] <RichEd> thanks
[18:15] <LaserJock> I'm on the gcompris-devel mailing list and will certainly let them know when it's fixed
[18:15] <LaserJock> I also talked to some Canonical people to try to ... speed up getting it fixed
[18:17]  * RichEd is confused ... 
[18:17] <RichEd> "let them know when it's fixed" <- for gutsy ?
[18:17] <RichEd> or does something need to be fixed for hardy ?
[18:18] <LaserJock> gutsy
[18:18] <LaserJock> nobody cares about Hardy yet
[18:18] <LaserJock> but the gcompris developer is french and is really upset that gutsy messed up his translations
[18:19] <LaserJock> he wanted to use Edubuntu to show of gcompris to french schools, but he says it's useless for him
[18:20] <LaserJock> hmm, latest lang pack .debs in PPA aren't fixed
[18:23] <LaserJock> gotta run, bbl
[18:42] <stgraber> Edubuntu ready for testing (Alpha4 candidates) http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/edubuntu/all