[01:23] <thumper> Odd_Bloke: upgrading remotely is very slow though
[01:44] <Fujitsu> Oh my god I think my eyes just burnt out of my skull.
[01:44] <Fujitsu> It's so big and huge and yellow and OUCH.
[01:45] <thumper> Fujitsu: the sun I take it?
[01:45] <Fujitsu> No, the new custom instructions on +filebug.
[01:46] <thumper> haha
[01:46]  * thumper goes to loook
[01:47] <Fujitsu> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cherrypy3/+filebug, for example.
[01:48] <thumper> hmm, large
[01:48] <Odd_Bloke> thumper: Any idea how 'slow' slow is?
[01:49] <thumper> according to the bzr guys, it downloads the entire branch to your machine, upgrades there, then pushes the whole branch back up
[01:49] <thumper> so it depends
[01:49] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, OK, that's probably not too bad.
[01:49] <Odd_Bloke> I'm sitting on a line that's normally limited by the 10/100 router that is between it and this machine. :p
[01:50] <Fujitsu> thumper: Even with bzr+ssh?
[01:50] <thumper> Fujitsu: yup
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Ew.
[01:50] <thumper> Fujitsu: there is a plan to do upgrades remotely, but right now it isn't implemented
[01:50] <thumper> Fujitsu: it is a bzr smartserver thing
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Ahh.
[01:52] <ScottK> Fujitsu: There are already multiple bugs on the yellow monstrosity.
[01:52]  * ScottK is studying up on the email interface.
[01:52] <Fujitsu> ScottK: Oh, good.
[01:53]  * Fujitsu hasn't quite caught up on everything yet.
[01:53] <ScottK> Understand.
[01:54] <ScottK> Personally I more excited about getting multiple copies of bug reports now (one per team that's assigned the package plus one more if I'm bug contact).
[01:54] <ScottK> The sweet smell of regression.
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Ah yes, I saw that bug.
[01:56] <ScottK> I'm still recovering from "I don't know whether that's something that's worth focussing on but I'll
[01:56] <ScottK> keep investigating."
[02:20] <Hobbsee> thumper: the filter boxes for bzr branch listings
[02:21] <Fujitsu> The filtering stuff is nice for sure, but the old functionality is now absent.
[02:22]  * Fujitsu exploits some LP vulnerabilities to approve release nominations for things he really shouldn't be able to.
[02:23] <Fujitsu> I only need to do it because the release nomination stuff is broken anyway, but still...
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i don't even really remember what the old functionality was beyond the filter box
[02:25]  * Hobbsee just now knows that she can't search, unless using a firefox page search, for every page
[02:25] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: There was a textbox to search by name, and a dropdown to indicate whether you wanted branches that were Abandoned or not.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ahhh yes, that's right
[02:27] <Fujitsu> That reminds me, I need to file the bug requesting an explanation in the help tab about what `dormant' means in that context.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> dormant == abandoned, or?
[02:29] <Fujitsu> No, I think it's based on how recently it was updated.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[02:30] <Hobbsee> with using a metric like the cycle of the moon to decide, or something?
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #187489 in launchpad-bazaar "Explain 'dormant' (as used in project branch listing) in help tab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187489
[03:06] <thumper> Hobbsee: dormant is something that hasn't been touched in ages (6 months)
[03:06] <thumper> Fujitsu: what old functionality is missing?
[03:06] <Fujitsu> thumper: The textbox to search by name.
[03:06] <thumper> Fujitsu: there wasn't one
[03:06] <Fujitsu> I thought there was.
[03:06] <thumper> Fujitsu: there never has been for branches
[03:06] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[03:07] <thumper> Fujitsu: I want to add one, but at the same time get rid of the filtering boxes by providing a more intuitive way
[03:07] <Fujitsu> Sorting by clicking on column headings would be nice, but Launchpad seems to have something against that.
[03:07] <Fujitsu> For filtering... what better way is there?
[03:07] <thumper> Fujitsu: that works (on branches at least) if there is less than a page of them
[03:08] <Fujitsu> Right, it does that on a lot of pages.
[03:08] <thumper> Fujitsu: by providing a free text area to say waht you want
[03:08] <Fujitsu> How would that handle the status filtering?
[03:08] <thumper> status:active
[03:08] <Fujitsu> Ahh.
[03:09] <thumper> or a short s:active, s:new
[03:09]  * Fujitsu would like that for bugs too.
[03:09] <thumper> it is something that I've talked with mpt about before
[03:09] <thumper> but it needs some buy-in first
[03:10] <Fujitsu> The advanced search page for bugs is so inefficient that I end up composing most advanced search URLs manually, so a search method where one could specify other fields in the simple search box would be great.
[03:10] <Fujitsu> For all searchable things.
[03:10] <thumper> yeah
[03:11] <thumper> I'm hoping that we can demonstrate it with branches, then go for site-wide behaviour
[03:11] <Fujitsu> Sounds good.
[03:11]  * thumper crosses fingers
[03:12] <mwh_> i guess you have an advanced search form that creates the encoded "status:new author:thumper" for you, so people can learn the short forms
[03:12] <Fujitsu> It would be difficult for importance, status, and particularly milestones.
[03:12] <thumper> mwh_: I was thinking of a key at the bottom of the pages
[03:12] <thumper> mwh_: and emergant behaviour would take care of the rest
[03:13] <mwh_> hm, maybe
[03:13] <Fujitsu> Having the advanced form just be a frontend for that would also mean that we don't have the situation where sorting a bug listing erases the advanced options.
[08:22] <Aloha> anyone know how long it takes to purge deleted packages in PPA?
[08:27] <Fujitsu> Aloha: As far as I know it should be at the next publisher run (as noted in bug #185606). The PPA publisher runs at :00, :20, :40, every hour.
[08:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185606 in soyuz "PPAs with deletions are not automatically re-published" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185606 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[08:28] <Aloha> Fujitsu, thnx
[08:28] <Aloha> Fujitsu, is there a wiki page for the publisher?
[08:29] <Fujitsu> I haven't seen one, so there's probably not one that's public.
[08:30] <Aloha> Fujitsu, thnx
[08:37] <Aloha> Fujitsu, whats RF 5562 mean?
[08:46] <BUGabundo> hi there
[08:46] <BUGabundo> can some LP admin please delete profile ~sdgsdt
[08:46] <BUGabundo> its a dumy profile with email test@test.com
[08:47] <BUGabundo> and it is subscribed to several bug reports groups...
[08:50] <Fujitsu> Aloha: RF stands for rocketfuel, which is the Launchpad development trunk. 5562 is the revision that the fix appeared in.
[08:51] <Aloha> Fujitsu, gotcha. whats the difference between a branch and a trunk?
[08:53] <Fujitsu> Aloha: Trunk is just the main branch, I guess you could say. It's what the other branches are merged into when they're complete.
[08:53] <Aloha> Fujitsu, gotcha
[09:17] <Aloha> is there a way to delete a release in LP code?
[09:18] <Fujitsu> Aloha: You'll have to ask a Launchpad administrator, probably at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[09:19] <Aloha> Fujitsu, thnx
[09:52] <oly-> hi, was just curious is there any way to check any stats on a launchpad project like how manay people have checked it out and when ?
[09:53] <oly-> been using launchpad for a while and thought it would be nice to know if any one else evn checks out the code :p
[09:54] <gmb> oly-: I don't think that LP offers that kind of functionality at the moment.
[09:55] <oly-> fair enough was just curious if it was there and i had not spotted it 
[09:56] <gmb> There might be a bug about it. Hang on...
[09:59] <Fujitsu> There's a bug about getting download stats for branches.
[09:59] <Fujitsu> Rather recent, IIRC.
[10:00] <gmb> oly-, Fujitsu: Bug #181331
[10:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181331 in launchpad-bazaar "Provide statistics on access to hosted branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181331 - Assigned to Tim Penhey (thumper)
[10:00] <gmb> And yes, it's pretty new.
[10:00] <Fujitsu> That's the one I was thinking of.
[10:00] <gmb> This month, in fact.
[10:00] <oly-> aha cool
[10:03] <Laibsch> ping mrevell
[10:04] <mrevell> Hello Laibsch
[10:04] <Laibsch> Hi there
[10:04] <Laibsch> You have a minute?
[10:04] <mrevell> Laibsch: sure
[10:04] <Laibsch> Maybe you remember
[10:04] <Laibsch> We talked about openembedded.org and launchpad about a year ago
[10:04] <Laibsch> Can we have a short voice chat?
[10:05] <mrevell> Laibsch: Yeah, I remember. Of course. How do you want to do it?
[10:05] <Laibsch> SIP?
[10:05] <Laibsch> I hope it works from here
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #187597 in launchpad "IPerson.isAdmin would be useful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187597
[12:01] <coolbhavi> hi
[12:02] <BUGabundo> hi coolbhavi
[12:03] <coolbhavi> access to my LP page and secured sites is mighty slow
[12:03] <coolbhavi> I am on OpenDNS no luck
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #187619 in malone "Upstream tracking from Debian BTS undocumented" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187619
[12:51] <coolbhavi> PriceChild my router says dns address should be in the range 192.xx.xx.1 to 192.xx.xx.254
[12:51] <coolbhavi> I'm not able to access LP
[12:51] <PriceChild> coolbhavi, unless I'm *really* mistaken, this has nothing to do with the ubuntu operator team or launchpad?
[12:51] <PriceChild> coolbhavi, lets pm about it
[12:52] <coolbhavi> OK
[13:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[13:00] <Fujitsu> Hi mpt.
[13:03] <Hobbsee> oh noes, ti's mpt!
[13:21] <kiko> launchpad meeting in T-39 minutes
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #187647 in rosetta "Accept invalid nplurals if no plurals translated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187647
[13:44] <kiko> ** launchpad meeting in T-15 minutes in #launchpad-meeting, be there or be square
[13:45]  * Fujitsu prepares some additional right-angles.
[13:46] <emgent> Heya Fujitsu :)
[13:47] <Fujitsu> Hi emgent.
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[13:55] <kiko> ***** launchpad meeting in T-5 minutes in #launchpad-meeting matter of life and death
[13:55]  * Hobbsee dies
[13:55] <oojah> Gosh
[13:55] <Hobbsee> (preemtively)
[13:55]  * Fujitsu boxes up Hobbsee and sends her home.
[13:55] <kiko> the things you need to do to get people's attention
[13:56] <Hobbsee> yeah.  when the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ isn't enough
[13:59] <kiko> ******* launchpad meeting in T-1 minutes in #launchpad-meeting the dawn of a new era
[14:00] <Fujitsu> [citation needed]
[14:04] <geser> Fujitsu: do you remember who is our liaison for motu-related bugs in LP itself? I'd like to see bug #141540 fixed now that even the bug listings has this information
[14:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141540 in soyuz "New source page doesn't show in which component a package is" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141540
[14:04] <Fujitsu> geser: LaserJock is your man.
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #187655 in rosetta "Warn if import translates to plural forms higher than nplurals" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187655
[14:57] <bordy> hey folks, is it the same command to initially pull a bzr branch as it is to pull updated code?
[14:57] <kiko-fud> bordy, kind of yes
[14:57] <kiko-fud> if you've branched you should merge though
[14:57] <kiko-fud> it's only if you have a clone of upstream
[14:57] <bordy> cause my boss is trying to pull my code, then I updated and we cant figure out how he pulls it again lol
[14:57] <kiko-fud> you have a smart boss bordy 
[14:57] <kiko-fud> tell him to just bzr pull again
[15:09] <bordy> oh we got it, evidently I had forgotten to add a directory :-X
[15:38] <kilian_> superm1: Might it be possible to update the libgpod3 in the ipod touch ppa to the latest svn version? Or du you support official releases only? The latest svn has some really cool changes...
[16:42] <bordy> Alright, I'm sorry to bother you guys, but one last question... if someone sent a patch to my launchpad (bzr send -o mycode.patch) how would I see that patch?
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #187717 in launchpad-answers "[Enhancement] Integrate translit into pages that prefer input with cyrillic characters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187717
[17:00] <synic> hey, I'm getting the following error when trying to branch from our main trunk:
[17:00] <synic> bzr: ERROR: Could not install revisions:
[17:00] <synic> sasongko@gmail.com-20080129204555-7h0j46m8wwlpcff2
[17:01] <synic> that revision is a recent push, I'm not sure what's wrong with it
[17:01] <synic> but I can't download any of the branch
[17:03] <synic> any clues on how I can fix it?
[17:15] <beuno> kiko, hello :D   Is there any chance some non-ascii characters in commit messages makes LP mad?  https://code.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main  is reported as broken in the latest rev
[17:25] <ubotu> New bug: #187750 in launchpad "Copyright message should say 2008" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187750
[17:39] <Aloha> can an admin please delete https://code.edge.launchpad.net/shakabuntu-surf/0.1/0.3rc1? :)
[17:48] <intellectronica> Aloha: your best bet is to file a question. that way you can be sure it will get spotted and you'll receive email about the proceedings
[17:48] <Aloha> intellectronica, thank you :)
[18:10] <ubotu> New bug: #187776 in launchpad "[wishlist] Ability to add Answers from personal Answers page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187776
[19:59] <geser> cprov: Hi, what's the "fix" for a build failing with "Failed to upload" after a package was moved from universe to multivers? A retry?
[20:00] <cprov> geser: yes, the simplest thing you can do is to retry the build after the override is published.
[20:01] <cprov> geser: if it is a expensive build we can think about manually re-processing it.
[20:02] <geser> cprov: it took only 4 min, so I will ask tomorrow for retry. thanks.
[20:02] <geser> nice that the mail contains now a log with the reason
[20:03] <cprov> geser: it will be fixed soon, bug 180218
[20:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180218 in soyuz "override mismatch race needs to be fixed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180218 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[20:25] <superm1> kilian_, nothing newer than is in hardy
[20:25] <superm1> so if there is a good reason to bring it into hardy
[20:25] <superm1> then that can be done
[20:33] <synic> kiko: help!  hehe
[20:56] <musashi> is there a launchpad admin in the room?
[20:57] <Fujitsu> musashi: What action do you require? You're probably better off asking a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion.
[20:58] <musashi> I posted about a possible troll on lauchpad the other day. not sure it was addressed
[20:58] <musashi> just wanted to follow up
[20:58] <musashi> Fujitsu: are you an admin?
[20:58] <Fujitsu> If you ask a question on the Answers tracker, it will be less likely to get lost.
[20:58] <Fujitsu> No, I'm a mere user.
[21:01] <musashi> well, it's not really a question. i thought here was the place to get in touch with the power users. I do a lot on answers but this didn't seem like a "question". I don't even know if the admins spend much time moderating.
[21:01] <mpt> musashi, we don't, but I guess we will need to do it more as time goes on
[21:02] <mpt> The current way of reporting spam etc is at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[21:02] <musashi> okay, i'll do that
[21:03] <musashi> mpt: just a thought,what about tapping into those of us who spend a lot of time on answers to keep an eye on things.
[21:13] <mpt> musashi, I agree
[21:13] <mpt> see bug 45419
[21:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45419 in launchpad "Launchpad needs a way of easily flagging spam" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45419
[21:27] <musashi> mpt: yeah, that would be good. I think lauchpad is also getting more like a forum and having some individuals act as moderators would probably be good too. I guess that's the admins but i don't know if you all have time for that
[21:30] <mpt> we don't :-)
[21:40] <musashi> yeah, and posting a question to mark spam seems the wrong way to go about it. it just adds more questions.
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #187864 in soyuz "should provide snapshot support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187864
[22:15] <geser> LaserJock: as our liaison towards LP: can you do something to get bug #141540 fixed as now even bug listing pages have this information but not the overview?
[22:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141540 in soyuz "New source page doesn't show in which component a package is" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141540
[22:18] <LaserJock> geser: added motu tag
[22:25] <ubotu> New bug: #187871 in malone "Bug-reporting guidelines are editable even when not tracking bugs in Launchpad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187871
[23:16] <greg-g> quick question (hopefully): There is someone who has started a redundant LoCo team page on Launchpad.  I am going to email him and ask him to "remove" it.  But I am actually not sure what to tell him to do.  Looking at the admin options for my team I don't see a remove or cancel or close team option.  What is the best course of action?
[23:17] <Fujitsu> greg-g: You'll need to ask a Launchpad administrator to remove the team. The best way to achieve that is at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion.
[23:17] <greg-g> ok, thank you Fujitsu 
[23:23] <mpt> and that's bug 50525
[23:30] <greg-g> ok, from looking at bug 50525 and 29177: what happens when two teams are merged?  Does one of them "go away" (no longer in launchpad)?  ie: is that a good option for a situation where someone created a regional loco team (a sub region of a US State) but has since not done anything with it and has no members?
[23:33] <Fujitsu> greg-g: Probably best to remove the team in that case.
[23:33] <greg-g> Fujitsu: ok, will do.  thanks again
[23:33] <Fujitsu> Merging would only be useful if it had memberships and related bugs and the like that are needed.
[23:34] <greg-g> gotcha, thanks