| CIA-23 | ubiquity: superm1 * r2429 ubiquity/ (7 files in 5 dirs): update plugins for MythTV 0.21 changes | 03:06 |
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| xivulon | I was reading https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-January/024967.html | 10:15 |
| xivulon | Now that we can support loopinstallation targets in ubiquity | 10:16 |
| xivulon | Ubiquity + an appropriate preseed should be enough to generate a VM image file | 10:16 |
| xivulon | Would that approach help? | 10:16 |
| evand | xivulon: would it be an unreasonable feature request to ask that Wubi ejects the CD when you hit the reboot button? | 10:55 |
| evand | I find the isolinux menu to be quite confusing in the context of using wubi. | 10:55 |
| evand | oh, and it works! | 10:56 |
| evand | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20080131.2/ has wubi.exe in the root of the CD filesystem. | 10:57 |
| xivulon | ah great news! | 11:01 |
| xivulon | re CD eject, I thought that the working was like that | 11:01 |
| xivulon | 1) if you are using an ISO it should skip the eject question and reboot straight away | 11:01 |
| xivulon | 2) if you are using a CD, it should ask | 11:01 |
| xivulon | that was somewhere in init.d/ubiquity | 11:02 |
| xivulon | there should be a line that checks for find_iso in /proc/cmdline, which indicates we are using an ISO | 11:02 |
| xivulon | hmm evand can you rephrase the question? I thought you were talking about the final reboot/eject. | 11:05 |
| evand | ah, ok | 11:05 |
| xivulon | do you mean a reboot during installation? | 11:06 |
| evand | imho, in Windows, when wubi is done and prompts the user to reboot now or reboot later, pressing reboot now should eject the CD | 11:06 |
| evand | as it's no longer needed and creates confusion if the CDROM is the first boot device | 11:07 |
| xivulon | ah sorry was thinking about the linux side | 11:07 |
| xivulon | yes the code is there, but did not work and forgot to check that (should use lp bugs more). | 11:08 |
| xivulon | will turn it on but cannot do it today | 11:08 |
| evand | that's ok, it's too late to put that feature into the alpha anyway | 11:08 |
| evand | I'll just release note that | 11:09 |
| xivulon | sure | 11:10 |
| xivulon | I have always tested with ISO images and completely forgot about that | 11:10 |
| evand | I did get a access violation once when running wubi, but I was able to successfully run it several times before and after that. | 11:13 |
| xivulon | that is using a physical CD? | 11:13 |
| evand | yes | 11:13 |
| xivulon | I will do more tests with that using alpha4. For the eject you can track bug #187601 | 11:14 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 187601 in wubi "Wubi does not eject the CD when rebooting" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187601 | 11:14 |
| evand | perhaps windows doesn't like the filesystem being ripped out from under the process? | 11:15 |
| xivulon | not sure at this point, it would be nice if you could reproduce that. | 11:17 |
| evand | you could always copy wubi.exe to the temporary folder, exec and fork, exit, and reparent the child to init (translated into windows somehow), no? | 11:21 |
| evand | I'll try to reproduce it, I imagine I'll encounter it again in further testing | 11:21 |
| xivulon | I guess so | 11:22 |
| xivulon | Probably should have used DeviceIoControl to eject... | 11:28 |
| cjwatson | wubi> fantastic, really glad to hear it | 11:29 |
| * xivulon glad too! | 11:29 | |
| xivulon | many many thanks to evand and cjwatson! | 11:31 |
| evand | xivulon: thank you for all your hard work | 11:31 |
| * xivulon builds barricades in wubi forum | 11:32 | |
| evand | hahaha | 11:32 |
| evand | xivulon: do you mind if I blog post this to Planet Ubuntu later today? | 11:32 |
| xivulon | absolutely | 11:33 |
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| xivulon | shall we add a mention to wubi in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha4? | 14:34 |
| evand | indeed | 14:51 |
| xivulon | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54214/ | 14:54 |
| xivulon | evand ^ | 14:55 |
| evand | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54220/ | 15:02 |
| evand | xivulon: looks good to me, do you approve? | 15:02 |
| xivulon | yes, will add to wiki | 15:03 |
| evand | thanks | 15:03 |
| evand | don't forget to add your name to the credits | 15:03 |
| evand | and pleasae let me know when you're done | 15:04 |
| evand | hrmm, perhaps we should insert something along the lines of "when wubi is done installing in Windows, be sure to remove the CD from the drive" | 15:04 |
| evand | I'm going to add a note about that problem to the cavets sections, but not everyone will read that far down | 15:05 |
| evand | caveats* | 15:05 |
| xivulon | done | 15:07 |
| xivulon | needs a screenshot | 15:07 |
| evand | sure, I'll take care of it | 15:08 |
| xivulon | thanks | 15:09 |
| evand | oh, as I only mentioned it in #ubuntu-release, kubuntu wubi isn't working, but it's on the ubuntu side of things. | 15:09 |
| evand | I'm looking into it, but it will be post-Alpha | 15:09 |
| xivulon | ok | 15:11 |
| evand | there we go | 15:28 |
| xivulon | :) | 15:28 |
| xivulon | what is the issue with kde | 15:37 |
| evand | kdm launches before ubiquity can, the kde frontend still shows the welcome page when in --automatic mode, and it crashed hard part way through the install for me. | 15:39 |
| evand | that's what I've found so far :) | 15:39 |
| xivulon | that will affect any ubiquity-automatic not just wubi I suppose | 15:41 |
| evand | indeed, that's what I meant by it being on the ubuntu side of things | 15:42 |
| xivulon | Ah I already had the eject warning in the feature description | 15:42 |
| xivulon | "...Wubi works with a physical CD (make sure to remove the CD before rebooting) or ..." | 15:42 |
| evand | oh? I apparently cannot read. | 15:42 |
| evand | feel free to reword that or I'll take care of it after I'm done drafting this blog post. | 15:48 |
| xivulon | there is another issue for wubi in stand-alone mode (using the downloader): the urls/filenames are not correct for kubuntu and other derivatives | 16:00 |
| xivulon | ubuntu is fine | 16:00 |
| evand | ok | 16:01 |
| xivulon | added that to the note in the features list | 16:06 |
| evand | do you mind if I move it to the caveats section? I don't think its a severe enough problem to warrant that kind of immediate attention | 16:07 |
| evand | also, is there a bug associated with this? | 16:08 |
| xivulon | nope will do one | 16:08 |
| evand | ok | 16:08 |
| xivulon | that will be an issue for the final | 16:08 |
| evand | indeed | 16:08 |
| xivulon | I mean urls are encoded inside wubi, but we cannot test with new urls/file-names | 16:09 |
| xivulon | before the release | 16:09 |
| xivulon | so we need to be double sure that what we have in isolist.ini and in the metalinks is correct | 16:09 |
| evand | indeed, we can talk to cjwatson about that as we get closer to the final release | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | the metalinks stuff is delegated to Steve | 16:10 |
| xivulon | there are 2 separate issues | 16:10 |
| evand | ah, to slangasek then | 16:11 |
| xivulon | in fact not | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | oh, you don't mean creating metalinks on cdimage? | 16:12 |
| xivulon | yes | 16:12 |
| xivulon | but the only use is for md5 checks of pre-downloaded ISO | 16:12 |
| xivulon | think of people with no internet and no CD | 16:12 |
| xivulon | but you cannot put md5 within the CD itself | 16:13 |
| xivulon | at least not the md5 of the full ISO | 16:13 |
| xivulon | will have to use the md5 of the files in the ISO | 16:13 |
| xivulon | but that requires either extracting the files or finding a library capable of mounting ISOs in windows | 16:13 |
| xivulon | in either case it makes the usefulness of metalink files inside the ISO a mutt point | 16:14 |
| xivulon | isolist.ini contains other info that has to be on the CD, basically the content of .disk/info | 16:17 |
| xivulon | pluse isofile name | 16:18 |
| xivulon | plus | 16:18 |
| xivulon | evand bug #187701 | 16:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 187701 in wubi "Fix urls and file names for derivative distros" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187701 | 16:22 |
| evand | updated, thanks | 16:23 |
| xivulon | evand see also #187718 | 16:41 |
| evand | ok | 16:42 |
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| evand | cjwatson: in the initscripts, kdm gets started at 13 which doesn't work well with the ubiquity initscript (starts at 29). Should I change KDM to start later or ubiquity to start earlier, or do I need a different approach entirely? | 18:31 |
| cjwatson | hmm, there was a reason to start it later | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | unfortunately I don't appear to have documented it | 18:34 |
| evand | heh | 18:34 |
| evand | gdm starts later obviously, but it appears that it used to start earlier | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | shouldn't kdm's startup be suppressed when automatic-ubiquity or only-ubiquity is in use? | 18:34 |
| evand | so perhaps kdm hasn't caught up with some change? | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | maybe what we should do is: | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | * suppress both gdm and kdm normal startup | 18:35 |
| evand | cjwatson: wasn't the idea to fall back to kdm when ubiquity crashes? | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | * have ubiquity's init script explicitly start kdm at the end if ubiquity didn't say to reboot | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | (or gdm or whatever) | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | getting the ordering right always is likely to continue to be hard so it might be best to sidestep it | 18:35 |
| evand | indeed. I imagine the supression should occur in casper, correct? | 18:36 |
| cjwatson | aye | 18:36 |
| cjwatson | anyway, this is just my off-the-cuff suggestion; I'm not thinking terribly straight right now so feel free to come up with something else | 18:37 |
| cjwatson | 25configure_init already has the code to suppress *dm in other circumstances | 18:37 |
| evand | indeed, I played with that for noninteractive | 18:38 |
| evand | seems reasonable | 18:38 |
| evand | ok | 18:38 |
| evand | thanks | 18:38 |
| evand | of course if something goes wrong in /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm we're screwed. hrm. | 18:39 |
| evand | actually nevermind that last thought | 18:40 |
| xivulon | evand shall I address 187701 for kde release or there is no point? | 20:00 |
| evand | wubi will not be on the Kubuntu alpha 4 CD, so there's no rush. | 20:02 |
| xivulon | ok then | 20:03 |
| xivulon | all the ISOs are called "hardy-desktop-XXX.iso" whatever the flavor, correct? | 20:05 |
| evand | for the desktop CD, yes | 20:07 |
| xivulon | does gobuntu come with the live cd? | 20:44 |
| evand | not yet | 20:45 |
| xivulon | I have fixed 187701 anyway | 20:55 |
| evand | bug 187701 | 20:55 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 187701 in wubi "Fix urls and file names for derivative distros" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187701 | 20:55 |
| evand | ah | 20:55 |
| evand | great | 20:56 |
| xivulon | in case someone wants to use wubi in standalone mode we can point to that | 20:57 |
| xivulon | http://wubi-installer.org/devel/minefield/Wubi-8.04-alpha-rev395.exe | 21:03 |
| xivulon | build with correct urls | 21:03 |
| evand | ok | 21:04 |
| xivulon | ah I see I posted a bit to soon on the forum about the 8.04... | 21:10 |
| xivulon | couldn't resiste :D | 21:11 |
| evand | heh | 21:29 |
| evand | yeah, the alpha isn't out yet | 21:29 |
| evand | ugh, something in the delta between a wubi install and a regular Kubuntu install is causing a segfault. | 21:30 |
| evand | in a library | 21:30 |
| xivulon | is that for kubuntu only? | 21:38 |
| evand | as far as I can tell, yes | 21:39 |
| xivulon | but didn't you say that there is no wubi in kubuntu? | 21:41 |
| evand | there isn't yet, I'm trying to get things in shape for there to be one | 21:41 |
| xivulon | ah | 21:41 |
| evand | this is one of the things I mentioned earlier that deferred it for kubuntu | 21:42 |
| evand | only now I have part of a stack trace to work with | 21:42 |
| evand | that is, if VMWare decides to ever give my keyboard back to me :/ | 21:42 |
| xivulon | if you need to change other files there, you may use wubi395 in case, at least the urls should be fine | 21:42 |
| xivulon | that is annoying | 21:43 |
| xivulon | no point in me working on the eject I assume | 21:43 |
| evand | why is that? | 21:43 |
| xivulon | to have it in | 21:46 |
| evand | well, it wont make it into Alpha 4, but it can be on the CDs as early as tomorrow | 21:46 |
| evand | the daily builds, that is | 21:46 |
| xivulon | I prefer to rest then :) | 21:47 |
| xivulon | can I help with the kubuntu issue? | 21:47 |
| evand | by all means | 21:47 |
| evand | ugh. this bug plaguing my laptop is worse than I thought | 21:48 |
| evand | it's the bug that bit me at the sprint. Only a very small number of keypresses get registered post-gdm | 21:48 |
| * evand kicks GNOME | 21:48 | |
| xivulon | can i replicate? | 21:49 |
| evand | the kubuntu issue? | 21:49 |
| evand | probably | 21:49 |
| evand | just pop in the latest daily-live copy of kubuntu in windows and fire up wubi | 21:49 |
| evand | you wont get ubiquity-automatic mode when it restarts | 21:49 |
| evand | so you have to open up a "konsole" and run ubiquity --automatic | 21:50 |
| evand | it'll get most of the way through and then bail out | 21:50 |
| evand | dumping an apport crash in /var/crach | 21:50 |
| evand | crash* | 21:50 |
| evand | which you can use apport-unpack on to extract the core file out | 21:51 |
| evand | oh and you'll have to hit next on the first page of the installer, but it'll continue from there | 21:56 |
| xivulon | downloading | 22:02 |
| xivulon | is automatic in the boot menu at all? | 22:02 |
| evand | nope | 22:03 |
| xivulon | can you send me the wubi log? | 22:08 |
| xivulon | can you also try with rev395? | 22:08 |
| xivulon | in fact not | 22:08 |
| evand | I can't do much of anything on that machine right now. | 22:08 |
| xivulon | are you trying with a CD or with an ISO? | 22:08 |
| evand | CD | 22:08 |
| evand | I'll grab the log and try with the newest version when I can, but I don't think the problem lies in wubi. | 22:09 |
| xivulon | then URLs and file names are irrelevant | 22:09 |
| evand | I didn't say they were relevant | 22:09 |
| evand | perhaps we're not on the same page | 22:10 |
| xivulon | download is very slow | 22:11 |
| xivulon | will try torrent | 22:11 |
| xivulon | no luck with that either | 22:21 |
| xivulon | evand you did not start wubi with cdboot flag by any chance? | 22:25 |
| xivulon | also what are the sizes of /ubuntu/disks/*.disk? | 22:26 |
| xivulon | mm do not have any spare CD and do not have XP in VM... | 22:42 |
| xivulon | good news is that the download flows well now | 22:43 |
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