[00:00] <Agent_bob> !bug
[00:00] <ubotwo> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[00:00] <nemetsk> epimeth: not at all. like...     album - track 01.ogg, album - track 03.ogg ........ track 02 had a german character in its name.
[00:01] <Agent_bob> cause / is an ilegal char for linux file systems
[00:01] <AMcBain> Agent_bob: (tab reorder) Awww. I had an interesting program on Windows called Taskix that allowed you to do that by injecting code into explorer.exe ... I'm not saying Linux should emulate that part, but it would be a really nice add on ... maybe look at what it does (not code wise) to get ideas?
[00:01] <AMcBain> Agent_bob: I'll see if I can reproduce it.
[00:01] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[00:01] <nemetsk> epimeth: under konsole, dolphin, web browser, everything - no file. but i JUST came from an xp env so i know its there. i have a lot of files like this so i'm sure its the character thing
[00:02] <epimeth> nemetsk: sorry amigo... gonna have to either reisntall windows or attach the hd to a windows box
[00:02] <nemetsk> epimeth: hrm to suggestion #2. ok bro thx for the brain time :)
[00:03] <Agent_bob> nemetsk dual boot ?
[00:03] <nemetsk> Agent_bob not now, no
[00:03] <Agent_bob> hmmm ok.
[00:04] <nemetsk> i guess doze injected more evil juice into my filenames
[00:04]  * Agent_bob wonders if windows has a live CD yet ???
[00:04] <epimeth> nemetsk: no worries
[00:04] <nemetsk> isn't this why we have standardization ppl !?
[00:04] <bascule> Agent_bob: barts boot disk, winPE
[00:05] <Agent_bob> winPE ?
[00:05]  * Agent_bob goes to joogle
[00:05] <epimeth> nemetsk: lol... standardization... lololl
[00:05] <Dr_willis> The great thing about Standards. theres so many to choose from!
[00:05] <bascule> winPE is what bart's is built on, at work we have a disk with useful stuff in the winPE enviroment
[00:05] <epimeth> Dr_willis: zegactly
[00:05] <nemetsk> ain't that the truth.
[00:06] <epimeth> gtg folks... catch yous later
[00:06] <Agent_bob> not only so. but after choosing a standard, you always deviate just a little anyway.............
[00:07] <bascule> Agent_bob: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Rescue-CD-System-Recovery,review-29976.html
[00:07] <Agent_bob> nice.  ty
[00:07] <Dr_willis> Agent_bob,  so the 'standard' is to deviate from the standard. :)
[00:08] <Agent_bob> might be a good shot for nemetsk ^ ?
[00:08] <Agent_bob> Dr_willis yeah.
[00:08] <nemetsk> is that like rules are made to be broken
[00:08] <nemetsk> ok thx Agent_bob
[00:08] <Agent_bob> isn't that why there are so many rules ?
[00:08] <bascule> standards are to be embraced and extended -- Bill Gates
[00:09] <Agent_bob> s/rule/standard/
[00:09] <nemetsk> i hate burning cds like i hate printing. "keep it digital" - me, 1 second ago
[00:09] <bascule> read: broken so we can force things to happen our way and kn-one else can see how it's done
[00:11]  * Agent_bob ponders the differance in 'burned to CD' and 'digital' ....
[00:11] <kgx> does anyone know how i can compare files in 2 different directories? something like rsync but not merge the changes
[00:11] <Agent_bob> diff ?
[00:11] <Agent_bob> kdiff diff3 ....
[00:12] <bascule> diff /path/to1 /path/to/2
[00:12] <Agent_bob> kompare   or what ever it's called
[00:12] <bascule> there are about 6 million switches of course :)
[00:12] <kgx> sadly i'm not on linux right now, new laptop.only has vista :(
[00:12] <bascule> kompare is nice actually, very nice
[00:13] <kgx> yeah i like kompare
[00:13] <Agent_bob> "6 million switches" yeah but some of them break standards
[00:13] <bascule> :)
[00:13] <Agent_bob> actually i'm all for posix compliance.  for the record
[00:13] <Dr_willis> colordiff
[00:15] <bascule> kgx: there may well be something in python for CLI diff in windows .... I always think python when I want a linux CLI util
[00:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm Fixing US broadband: $100 billion for fiber to every home -  So if i Had Fiber.. and the RIAA/MPAA had their way.. what would i be doing with it... :)
[00:16]  * Dr_willis goes back to reading the News.
[00:16] <bascule> you'd be watching one of 6 million streaming TV channels :)
[00:16] <Agent_bob> lol
[00:16] <Agent_bob> not me.
[00:17] <bascule> I haven't got a TV
[00:17] <Dr_willis> I can barely find 6 of those channels now.. :) and my not real sure how legal those are.
[00:17] <bascule> I *hate* TV
[00:17] <Agent_bob> well i actually have one.   but it hasn't been on in years
[00:20] <goofykinky> Hi, all i have a problem i installed kubuntu and downloaded the upgarde to KDE 4.0 but when i turn on the desktop effects my screen went blank and i dont see anything how can i get it back or disable that effect (the kubuntu is running on VMWare)
[00:20] <SlimeyPete> !kde4
[00:20] <Phoenix92x> Hi, I'm running 7.10 and am trying to play a rip of a Blu-ray movie. I've looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD but it seems to have little on blu-ray playback. Has anyone been able to play a rip of a blu-ray movie? (non-encoded)
[00:21] <SlimeyPete> hmm, no bot
[00:21] <SlimeyPete> goofykinky: you're best-off asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[00:21] <goofykinky> ok let me aks there thanks SlimeyPete
[00:21] <Agent_bob> SlimeyPete ubotu is down, but ubotow should be around here some where
[00:21] <jereme> I'm running an ati radeon 9600 card in dual-head mode with the fglrx driver packaged with gutsy.  Everything seems to be good... driver is installed right, framerates are high... however, glxgears is blank, and when I run a GL screensaver, the last 400 or so pixels of my 2nd monitor show the desktop through the screensaver, and small gl preview windows are blank
[00:22] <Phoenix92x> jereme: had the same poroblem a few days ago, rebooting fixed it for me
[00:22] <jereme> Phoenix92x: I'll give it a shot
[00:22] <jereme> thanks
[00:23] <jereme> back when I worked dial-up tech support in '97. "reboot and try again" was what we'd tell people at the end of our shift
[00:23] <LjL> !kde4
[00:23] <jereme> 1, because that fixes 99% of windows errors
[00:23] <ubotwo> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[00:23] <jereme> 2. because they generally only have one phone line, and have to hang up to try again
[00:23] <jereme> probably cost me some good karma though
[00:24] <jereme> bbias
[00:24] <Dr_willis> the ISP/Cable company runs ads  basicially saying
[00:24] <BluesKaj> jereme, there were those of us who had 2 phone lines before dsl came along..one for dialup ...what a PITA
[00:24] <Dr_willis> 'if your internet is not working, power down EVERYTHING  then power back up'  (router, switches, microwave ovens)
[00:25] <Phoenix92x> jereme: heh, tis true
[00:30] <Daisuke_too> BluesKaj: then there were those of us that had two phone lines back before standard dialup - to run our BBSes :)
[00:30] <crazy_bus> is there anyway to make kubuntu mount the sansa e200 player properly.  It sometimes allows write access and sometimes doesn't
[00:30]  * Agent_bob hates to even be associated with a linux system that the official support says "try a reboot"....
[00:31] <Daisuke_too> ...his loss
[00:31] <ahmos> sorry but can I ask how to do this. install /msg ubotu java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider /msg ubotu FrostWire as an alternative.
[00:32] <ahmos> I've downloaded limewire
[00:32] <Dr_willis> Given the level of experoence with some  of the people asking questions in here.. its MUCH more economical to ask them to just reboot. :)
[00:32] <Dr_willis> plus it gives me time to change my Nick ifi dont want to talk to them again. :P
[00:32] <fildo> ahah
[00:33] <SlimeyPete> ahmos: type /msg ubotu java into your IRC client
[00:33] <SlimeyPete> ubotu will tell you how to install java
[00:33] <SlimeyPete> (ubotu is a computer program which responds to messages)
[00:33] <Dr_willis> Install the 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' package should install java and some other tools you proberly want/need.
[00:33] <ahmos> aha
[00:34] <ahmos> I see now
[00:39] <AMcBain> Agent_bob: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/187904
[00:42] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[00:42] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[00:43] <AMcBain> I tried to use that ... my PC wasn't happy.
[00:43] <SlimeyPete> doesn't work for everybody
[00:44] <SlimeyPete> didn't work terribly well for me on this system
[00:44] <AMcBain> It gave all my menus white borders, and some windows got covered by a solid color and became uninteractable etc. I had to restart the default KDE one.
[00:45] <Dr_willis> I play with the compiz toys for a while.. then turn them off for a while.. then go back to playing with them..
[00:46] <AMcBain> I'd like to play with them if they didn't screw things up beyond usability.
[00:50] <fprintf> I tried KDE4 and my system puked. It worked with compiz-fusion much better.
[00:50] <Dr_willis> kde4 is very much a work in progress. :)
[00:51] <Dr_willis> But give it a year.. and see what happens.
[00:52] <AMcBain> I want to see Plasma, as I really want a fighting chance for Linux to support Konfabulator, which I dearly miss.
[00:52] <fprintf> I agree. It sure looks nice though before the system puked. I am reinstalling KDE right now (I broke it worse after trying to remove KDE4)
[00:52] <AMcBain> (I was/still am an avid developer for Konfabulator, but not if I can't get a good Windows VM going or get a linux equiv that supports it)
[00:53]  * fprintf is reinstalling KDE on my main machine. Typing this on my networked laptop.
[00:54] <Dr_willis> I dont rember konfabulator. :)
[00:54] <AMcBain> I've noticed that a lot of apps state that KDE is a related package so to uninstall something such as Konqueror (just for example) would uninstall KDE ... a bit weird if you ask me. Just cause I installed KDE and it installed Konqueror, that doesn't make Konqueror an integral part of KDE ...
[00:55] <Dr_willis> package management is a very.... interesting  'problem' :)
[00:55] <SlimeyPete> AMcBain: yeah, it's irritating
[00:55] <AMcBain> Dr_willis: It's called Yahoo! Widget Engine now, but "Yahoo!" (the name) seems to spread bad vibes to people I talk with, even though the community is its own thing. I prefer to call it by the old, cooler name Konfabulator.
[00:56] <AMcBain> Never really took any screenshots of my desktop with it running, so the best I can maybe post is shots of my projects for it ...
[00:56] <AMcBain> (I have my NTFS mounted until I have my ext HDD, copy stuff over, and can blow this one out and start over)
[00:56] <Tmas> hey anyone know why my whole computer locks up when i try to connect to a WEP encrypted network?
[00:57] <AMcBain> And also so I can use Amarok with my music collection (Amarok rules)
[00:57] <AMcBain> :)
[00:59] <endir> What's the best way to replace KWin with another program? export KDEWM=app doesn't work. And I thought there was a way in ~/.kde/share/config/
[00:59] <AMcBain> Basically after I decided to try out Kubuntu (which I think finally killed my XP install) my position went from just waiting until I could go back to Windows to I can reinstall Linux for real and run XP VM style ... :P
[01:00] <AMcBain> Which is very impressive having used only Windows since who knows when, and XP being absolutely fabulous as Windows OSes go, if you know what I mean.
[01:00] <BluesKaj> AMcBain, did you let the live cd partitioner wipe out windows on your install ?
[01:00] <Tmas> XP is a great OS now. It wasnt at release
[01:01] <AMcBain> XP is great. Very stable.
[01:01] <jereme> okay, so now my fglrx can show glxgears and whatnot, but my xscreensavers still aren't full screen... I've now done the binary driver install using ati's package generator
[01:01] <AMcBain> That's my point. It was better than '98 the previous stable one.
[01:02] <jereme> '98 was more stable than 2k?
[01:02] <jereme> certainly not in my experience
[01:02] <BluesKaj> jereme, does it do fgl_glxgears ?
[01:02] <AMcBain> No, I said XP was more stable than '98./
[01:02] <jereme> 95 was a hooker and 98 was a hooker with make-up
[01:02] <jereme> oh
[01:02] <AMcBain> BluesKaj: No, I created a new, very small partition to try out Linux on (rather than do LiveCD each time) and Windows lasted for a day (on its own partition) then commited suicide.
[01:02] <jereme> BluesKaj: yeah it does
[01:02] <soulrider> hey everyone!
[01:02] <jereme> BluesKaj: everything works except xscreensaver spanning all the way across my 2 monitors
[01:03] <TheWhiteRook> BluesKaj: XP and 2K weren't the same thing
[01:03] <soulrider> guys, check out what i made :P http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=683952
[01:03] <stumac> hy
[01:04] <BluesKaj> AMcBain, it may still be there , the boot MBR may just be buried by grub and XP can be rebooted by the grub menu by just abit of editing the grubmenu.lst
[01:04] <fildo> i have a silly question if anyone is willing to answer it
[01:04] <stumac> how to make website with php in ubuntu
[01:04] <fildo> i have just installed gutsy and everytime i open kopete. i loose my background,.
[01:04] <fildo> in the desktop
[01:04] <AMcBain> BluesKaj: I never said I couldn't boot into Windows. It just doesn't finish logging in. The only chance I have is to do the 3 finger salute and start explorer.exe manually from the task manager. Even that isn't assured I found out.
[01:05] <fildo> im running xgl .. im wondering if its the cause of it
[01:05] <BluesKaj> TheWhiteRook, uhm, it wasn't my comparison but yes, I'm aware of that
[01:05] <jereme> soulrider: that's pretty cool...    when are you going to make 2.0?
[01:05] <soulrider> jereme: as soon as i have time and better wood
[01:05] <soulrider> i need to experiment with other varnishes too :P and logos
[01:05] <BluesKaj> AMcBain, ok
[01:05] <jereme> BluesKaj: apples and oranges aren't the same thing
[01:06] <AMcBain> soulrider: Still cool. I want to play with CNC machine one day (just for the hell of it) but that's not happening. But that engraving is just cool.
[01:06] <BluesKaj> uhm jereme , et tu ? ...I did NOT say that '98 and 2k were the same thing ...pls read the text more sarefully !
[01:07] <BluesKaj> err carefully
[01:07] <jereme> BluesKaj: I'm just teasing
[01:07] <jereme> please read my subtext more carefully :)
[01:07] <BluesKaj> well, it wasn't me in the first place
[01:08] <soulrider> AMcBain: my dad built a CNC machine
[01:08] <AMcBain> cool.
[01:09] <soulrider> yeah
[01:09] <soulrider> i was thinking of selling coasters
[01:09] <AMcBain> Adult power-toys (oops, I meant power-tools) can be fun ...
[01:10] <soulrider> but it would be a lot cheaper if i could send a bunch to the us and have people distribute them there or something
[01:10] <AMcBain> Well, sell them in bulk or something so you can work out a deal.
[01:11] <Dr_willis> I work on CNC machines all day. :)
[01:11] <Tmas> whats CNC?
[01:11] <Dr_willis> fixing them when they wreck..  Always double check your  #'s
[01:11] <Dr_willis> Computer controlled Machineing  Tools. Mills, Lathes, drills
[01:11] <soulrider> Dr_willis: any CNC for linux?
[01:11] <Dr_willis> plasma cutters and so forth.
[01:11] <Tmas> oh ok
[01:11] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  No idea. I dont program them much. :) i fix them when the operators Wreck them.
[01:12] <soulrider> AMcBain: i need to find people interested to seel in bulk
[01:12] <soulrider> lol
[01:12] <Dr_willis> and EGADS they can make some big loud wrecks.
[01:12] <AMcBain> The more simpler simpler CNCs just cut material away from blocks. So technically you could scuplt plastic and the like.
[01:12] <soulrider> dunno what an EGAD is
[01:12] <AMcBain> A word. In all caps.
[01:12] <Dr_willis> Gadzooks! :P
[01:12] <AMcBain> sculpt*
[01:13] <Dr_willis> Ever see what happens when a 1000+lb chunk of metal gets hit by a  rapidly moving Spindal..that thinks it should be on the other side of the metal. :) sparks everywhere.. belts break. bearings shatter.
[01:13] <Dr_willis> and im busy for a week.
[01:13] <Dr_willis> We make Transmision  parts and Cases where I work.
[01:14] <AMcBain> ouch
[01:14] <Dr_willis> Then ya get the Fuji robots that throw parts across the room by mistake. :)
[01:15] <AMcBain> Sounds like fun.
[01:15] <BluesKaj> never trust anything with fuji on it :)
[01:15] <Dr_willis> I will say the robots themeslfs are very reliable. - Its the 'gripper hand' that keeps breaking on us.
[01:16] <AMcBain> That's odd. All looping is off and Amarock just started the playlist over.
[01:16] <AMcBain> Also, isn't a bit odd that if you remove the current song (being played) from the playlist, it just keeps playing it?
[01:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I normally just do a select all/ random play. :)
[01:16] <AMcBain> Hehe. I like that too.
[01:17] <Peke_15> hola
[01:17] <AMcBain> Well, things are just odd when you first get used to them.
[01:17] <AMcBain> Hola. Como estan?
[01:21] <ahmos> How can I install this file  runLime.sh
[01:21] <ahmos> ?
[01:21] <LjL> ahmos: install? a shell script?
[01:22] <ahmos> it is a limewire program..and I want to install it
[01:23]  * AMcBain shudders
[01:23] <tekteen> ahmos: try sh runLime.sh
[01:23] <tekteen> in the konsole
[01:25] <ahmos> I got this..runLime.sh: 48: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[01:27] <cn28h> ahmos, try ./runtime.sh
[01:28] <BluesKaj> as long as he's in the right dir
[01:29] <ahmos> bash: ./runtime.sh: No such file or directory
[01:29] <cn28h> see above comment
[01:29] <cn28h> ;P
[01:29] <ahmos> i saw
[01:30] <ahmos> but I'm in the right directory ,I typed ls and the file was there
[01:31] <cn28h> chmod +x runtime.sh
[01:31] <cn28h> er
[01:31] <cn28h> sorry
[01:31] <cn28h> runLime.sh
[01:31] <cn28h> I can't read
[01:31] <cn28h> haha
[01:31] <cn28h> ./runLime.sh
[01:32] <jickles> anyone using kde4?
[01:33] <BluesKaj> or find the file and open properties and make the the file executable , same as chmod +x
[01:34] <jickles> konqueror crashing a lot on me, can't ftp using it
[01:37] <Dr_willis> Frostwire works better for me then limewire
[01:37] <ahmos> yes it worked,but I have a problem with java now :o
[01:37] <Dr_willis> sun turned java into such a disaster...... :(
[01:38] <AMcBain> What! Java is great!
[01:39] <AMcBain> I don't think that all apps made *with* Java are great, but that is no reason to bash the language ...
[01:39] <Dr_willis> The WAY sun has handled java - is the issue
[01:39] <ahmos> i got this,
[01:39] <ahmos> Maybe you're using the wrong version of Java?
[01:39] <ahmos> (LimeWire is tested against and works best with with Sun's JRE, Java 1.5+)
[01:39] <ahmos> The version of Java in your PATH is:
[01:39] <ahmos> java version "1.7.0"
[01:39] <ahmos> IcedTea Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0-b21)
[01:39] <ahmos> IcedTea 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.7.0-b21, mixed mode)
[01:40] <Dr_willis> You are using the icedtea plugin it seems.
[01:40] <Dr_willis> heh so am i it seems. :)
[01:40] <Dr_willis> I installed it - to get Miro working yesterday
[01:40] <ahmos> :)
[01:40] <AMcBain> 1.7.0? That isn't officially out yet ...
[01:41] <Dr_willis> !java
[01:41] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:41] <ahmos> i don't know
[01:41] <AMcBain> 1.6.0 is the latest Java.
[01:41] <Dr_willis> I just followed a 'get miro working' guide yesterday.
[01:41] <Dr_willis> not sure what icedtea actually is heh.
[01:41] <Dr_willis> IcedTea is available on Ubuntu 7.10 in the Universe repository. The runtime environment is located in the icedtea-java7-jre package.
[01:41] <AMcBain> It is supposed to be a completely open source implementation of the Java JVM.
[01:41] <ahmos> me too :o
[01:41] <Dr_willis> thats from the !java wiki page
[01:42] <AMcBain> Java is 99.99999% open source now. I think there is only a few kilibytes of utility left that isn't oss..
[01:42] <AMcBain> (they may have already taken care of that bit by now though)
[01:43] <Dr_willis> You could set it to the other java.
[01:43] <Dr_willis> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[01:43] <Dr_willis> and see if it works then
[01:43] <AMcBain> And even if it wasn't oss, I would still prefer the Sun JVM over others any day. I've seen what Apple did (slow to update, and SpringLayout is still broken on Mac)
[01:44] <Dr_willis> at one time - i recall that Limewire and so on  Required the actual SUN JVM
[01:44] <AMcBain> That's a bit paranoid and overkill.
[01:44] <Dr_willis> lets see. Installing frostwire
[01:45] <Dr_willis> they required it - because they would crash otherwise. :) so do what you want..
[01:45] <Dr_willis> use it so they run.. or dont use it.. and they dont run.
[01:45] <ahmos> yes it worked after configuring java :)
[01:45] <AMcBain> Well, all JVMs are supposed to be the same. Unless you mean it can run without Java now.
[01:45] <Dr_willis> seems they still need the official-sun java to work.
[01:45] <Dr_willis> 'supposed to be' :)
[01:46] <ahmos> yes, but thank you all for hlping me...
[01:46] <ahmos> helping me
[01:46] <Dr_willis> Now go get the RIAA and MPAA mad at you for using Limewire.
[01:46] <AMcBain> Well, we all know the Apple JVM is "different". but the rest are all pretty equal and good.
[01:46] <Dr_willis> You Might want to check out Frostwire instead.
[01:47]  * AMcBain wonders why Linux is incapable of turning of his laptop monitor in favor of the external.
[01:47] <ahmos> frostwire is a program similar to limewire
[01:47] <ahmos> ?
[01:47] <Dr_willis> Depends on th laptops from what ive seen
[01:47] <Dr_willis> ahmos,  identical - and 100& GPL
[01:47] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[01:47] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[01:47] <Dr_willis> Whih is why the !limewire factoid suggests
[01:47] <Dr_willis> using it instead.
[01:48] <Dr_willis> !limewire
[01:48] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install /msg ubotu java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider /msg ubotu FrostWire as an alternative.
[01:48] <ahmos> ok
[01:48] <AMcBain> Intel integrated graphics and I'm using URandR and it won't let me turn it off, only run it as a clone. I could push the "laptop-screen 'off button'" but that defeats the purpose.
[01:48] <AMcBain> And doesn't work. I just tried.
[01:49] <Dr_willis> Ive seen diffrent laptops and differnt catrds work in different ways.. sadly.
[01:49] <ubuntu> good evening
[01:49] <ahmos> good moorning :o
[01:49] <Dr_willis> Guy at work - his laptop defaults to the external monitor - even when its not plugged in. Figure that out. :) he boots to a black screen has to hit the Function-MOnitor Key on the laptop to get a useable desktop
[01:49] <AMcBain> ugh.
[01:49] <Dr_willis> It was pure luck we discovered that also.
[01:50] <Dr_willis> Nvidia card in that one.
[01:50] <AMcBain> Mine worked okay under Windows with the built in software, but since I have Intel integrated graphics I have suckiest "card" (if you can even call it that) on the planet.
[01:51] <Dr_willis> I got an X200m In my laptop. :) its rather bad.
[01:51] <sub[t]rnl> intel intergrated cards work well in linux
[01:51] <AMcBain> I'm not complaining. It works quite nicely, actually.
[01:51] <Dr_willis> No more ati  based laptops for me... ever .. no matter how good a sale they are. :)
[01:52] <AMcBain> It's just rather distracting to have a second, smaller, monitor that you can't turn off that clones the ext screen.
[01:52] <sub[t]rnl> heh, it can turn off
[01:52] <sub[t]rnl> just have to tell it to
[01:52] <BluesKaj> <--got an ATI X200G on my pc ..works well with the restricted driver
[01:52] <Dr_willis> There may be some extra tools you need to be using.
[01:52] <AMcBain> I use URandR and there seems to be no option.
[01:52] <AMcBain> Dr_willis: Aww. ATI just got good. For desktops anyways (supposedly, I haven't really read up lately)
[01:53] <sub[t]rnl> example: xrandr --output LVDS off
[01:53] <Dr_willis> AMcBain,  i will belive THAT when i see it...
[01:53] <sub[t]rnl> actually.. xrandr --output LVDS --off
[01:53] <sub[t]rnl> will turn off the laptop, but keep the VGA on
[01:53] <Dr_willis> ATI has made a lot of promises...  that are not worth the paper the email is printed on. :)
[01:54] <BluesKaj> AMcBain, thew ATI latest linux driver offerings are ok for pci cards ,but suck badly on onboards
[01:54] <AMcBain> Not high end cards, apparently they focused on medium range and were actually able to reduce the power, and come up with something really nice. They dropped competing on the highend.
[01:54] <sub[t]rnl> AMcBain➜ see if that works for you
[01:54] <Dr_willis> and of course with laptops - it can be a real toss up if they will work or not. :)
[01:55] <AMcBain> Whee!
[01:55] <AMcBain> No more distraction.
[01:55] <Dr_willis> ati stopped compeating at the high end? Hmm..they just released a new high end thing this week I thought
[01:55] <AMcBain> Well, I have no idea anymore. I stopped getting MaxPC so my knowledge is sadly out of date.
[01:55] <AMcBain> I don't bother to keep up really, until I need to buy something.
[01:57] <AMcBain> Oh! There is a setting. I missed the tiny "enabled" checkbox.
[01:57] <AMcBain> My powers of observation suck, apparently.
[01:58] <AMcBain> Thanks though.
[01:58] <Dr_willis> AMD Introduces Radeon HD 3870 X2 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjMwNw
[01:58] <sub[t]rnl> crossfire in one
[01:59] <sub[t]rnl> mmmn
[01:59] <Dr_willis> This new high-end AMD graphics card is the first to break the Teraflop barrier yet costs under $500 USD. However, unlike the Radeon HD 3400/3600 series, the Linux support for the HD 3870 X2 can be questioned.
[01:59] <Dr_willis> No crossfire for Linux yet - it seems. :)
[01:59] <Dr_willis> I think i will stick with nvida for the next year or 2.
[02:00]  * Dr_willis wonders how long it will be befor all the compiz eye candy  needs  a SLI system for the best wiggly windows!
[02:00] <AMcBain> ick. (not the wiggly windows, just something needing that much "power")
[02:01] <maduser> the kde4 should outdue compiz though
[02:01] <maduser> once it works
[02:01] <maduser> with kubuntu
[02:01] <AMcBain> out do*
[02:01] <AMcBain> Certainly.
[02:02] <Dr_willis> And perhaps once everyone gets sick of the eyecandy.. actual features that improve useablity will get added. :P
[02:02] <AMcBain> If I'm not mistaken, Plasma should do both.
[02:03] <bascule> scale is a good usability feature, so is the rotation (yo me)
[02:04] <Dr_willis> I never use either of those . With my 2 monitors.. they just dont work very well.
[02:04] <bascule> to me (bed time)
[02:04] <bascule> mv bascule /dev/bed
[02:04] <Dr_willis> sudo shortsheet /bascule/bed
[02:16] <ahmos> hey DR_Willis: i've installe frostwire now but it didn't work ( java problem again)
[02:17] <stafacc> tes
[02:17] <ahmos> limewire working but frostwire no..!!
[02:18] <kiba> hello
[02:18] <kiba> problem installing kde4
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> kiba: yes?
[02:19]  * Winny quietly asks if anyone else is having issues with an 8500GT and Kubuntu 7.10
[02:19] <Ryu010> hello?
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> Winny: what issues?
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> hi Ryu010
[02:19] <Daisuke_too> kiba: a problem better suited for #kubuntu-kde4 perhaps?
[02:20] <Ryu010> can someone  help me?
[02:20] <Winny> nosrednaekim, the desktop acts incredibly weird (things don't render properly), when I try to run the installer, it freezes, etc.
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> Ryu010: wats the problem?
[02:20] <Dr_willis> ahmos,  i cant even get it to install.. server seems down.
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> Winny: oh.. the liveCD? please go over to #kubuntu-kde4, i'm there too
[02:20] <Ryu010> i just installed kubuntu, ir looks as though it is starting fine then it goes to a black screen and nothing happens
[02:20] <Winny> nosrednaekim, eh.. 7.10 has KDE 3
[02:21] <Daisuke_too> Winny: there's a kde4 livecd
[02:21] <Dr_willis> Ryu010,  what video card?
[02:21] <ahmos> but i've downloaded it from the site and installed it..
[02:21] <kiba> packages won't install
[02:21] <Ryu010> im not sure, i am using a hp tx1318ca tablet
[02:22] <Dr_willis> Ryu010,  if its using an ati, or nvidia card. You need to most likely Install the proper ati or nvidia drivers.
[02:22] <Dr_willis> There is a Laptop forum on th Ubuntu web site. I belive
[02:22] <Daisuke_too> kiba: again, #kubuntu-kde4
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> that uses an nvidia Ryu010
[02:22]  * Daisuke_too smacks himself in the face repeatedly
[02:23] <Ryu010> alright, so what do i do to make it work?
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_too: frustrating day?
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> Ryu010: boot into recovery mode and install the nvidia driver
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> !nvidia
[02:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:23] <Daisuke_too> nosrednaekim: i can't say what i would like to :)
[02:24] <Ryu010> recovery mode starts at a black screen as well
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_too: *^(@$^*&*@&$*& and *&*^*&%@*$ day?
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> lol
[02:24] <Ryu010> oops nvm
[02:24] <Ryu010> its in recovery mode
[02:25] <Ryu010> will it get an ip for me from my dhcp or do i need to assign?
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> Ryu010: if you are on wired, run "sudo dhclient eth0"
[02:26] <Ryu010> alright
[02:27] <haplo> anyone know if the kernel option CONFIG_HZ_1000 is set to yes on the default kubuntu kernel?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Hmm there used to be a  kernel config file in /proc/ or similer - i recall.. but not seen that in ages.
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> haplo: in the 64 bit edition, I believe so
[02:28] <haplo> okay, yeah I am using the 64bit version
[02:28] <Daisuke_Ido> it's official, there are no more windows machines in this house :)
[02:29] <Strangework> does DHCP have a seperate installation process/required software between Kubuntu and Fluxbuntu? DHCP works fine in Kubuntu, but it doesn't function in Fluxbuntu (it wasn't installed during installation)
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Strangework: this is not the fluxubuntu help[ channel
[02:30] <Ryu010> the site that was given with driver installiation is for gui\
[02:30] <Ryu010> i need to know how to do it command line
[02:30] <Daisuke_Ido> well if it wasn't installed, i can imagine that it won't work...
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Ryu010: nvidia?
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> Ryu010: ah ok... run "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new"
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the line
[02:31] <Ryu010> alright
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> it's almost tempting to snag the 64mb gf2 out of my geexbox machine and stick it in this one.  this chrome9 chipset's driving me friggin nuts
[02:33] <Ryu010> i usually use mandriva powerpack and everythis is already there, i have never had a driver issue
[02:33] <Ryu010> so what do i do after i have run  "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new"
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> did it install?
[02:34] <barkink> i cant play another sound file while using mplayer
[02:34] <Ryu010> i think so
[02:34] <mixed> is it possible to install kicker-kickoff in kubuntu?
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> Ryu010: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and leave all settings but the driver name as default..... make that "nvidia"
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: or sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:35] <barkink> and if i am playing sthng else, i get "[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" this error from mplayer while trying to play sthng
[02:35] <Ryu010> do i have to enter a identifier for my card?
[02:36] <kadam> Is there a note-taking application for Kubuntu, similar to M$' One-Note?
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> and that's why i recommend -phigh
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: so true...
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> kadam: you want a program similar to microsoft's offering, yet you degrade the concept of MS and anything they might offer by abbreviating it M$.  i have now seen the ultimate hypocrisy.  thanks for playing, don't forget to try our home game!
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> but other than that...  i'm not sure i've seen anything that would really fit the bill
[02:37] <Ryu010> do i have to enter a identifier for my card?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> Ryu010: nope
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> Ryu010: leave everything as default
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> except the driver
[02:39] <mar0976> hello together
[02:39] <mar0976> i have a problem
[02:39] <mar0976> i want to copy one file to many folders
[02:40] <mar0976> cp blaaa /* doesnt work
[02:40] <Ryu010> alright i am done, now do i reboot?
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> Ryu010: yah... give it a shot
[02:40] <mar0976> cp -f .directory music/*/  doesn work
[02:41] <mar0976> can you help me?
[02:41] <kadam> Daisuke_Ido: Thanks, as far as I know the $ in M$ refers to money, which they have plenty of.  By asking if there is something similar to one of their offerings, I was more insinuating my support for non-$ based developers by seeing whether or not I would be reinventing the wheel should I decide on such an application as being the focus of my own development efforts.  But, thanks for the second answer...
[02:41] <Ryu010> how would i get the touch screen to work?]
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> Ryu010: thats a whole nother can of worms :)
[02:43] <Ryu010> lol
[02:43] <Ryu010> want to open it?
[02:43] <Ryu010> ahh no wifi :(
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> !wireless
[02:45] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:45] <Ryu010> wow
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> I have to go... sorry
[02:47] <fatguy> Cannot find the 7.04 ISO to download--does anyone know where to find a copy for download?
[02:50] <kadam> !qt
[02:50] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[02:51] <fatguy> nobody ever cares about the fatguy's problems..
[02:51]  * kiba feel terrible
[02:51] <kiba> I want my kde4 install!
[02:51] <ahmos> :o
[02:51] <kiba> http://pastie.caboo.se/146050
[02:51] <kiba> I got this problem
[02:51] <fatguy> kde4 is awesome...
[02:52] <yotux> kde 4 is something else I will give you that
[02:52]  * AMcBain decides he will wait until it is stable.
[02:52] <yotux> fatguy how are you running it
[02:53] <kiba> can anybody please help me?
[02:53] <kiba> I tried purging it from my system
[02:53] <kiba> and it won't work
[02:53] <Ryu010> alright well thanks for you help everyone :P
[02:53] <Ryu010> bye
[02:54] <yotux> kiba: did you install kde4 before you are install it again?
[02:54] <fatguy> yotux: I just tested it out on the opensuse livecd.. I'd consider it still beta.. but looks like it'll be really good when all its apps are out..
[02:55] <yotux> I installed it on kubuntu
[02:55] <kiba> I think so..I don't know?
[02:55] <yotux> I rember seeing something about the RC release not compatible with the roll out on the 11th
[02:56] <fatguy> the most important concept, in my view, is definitely tagging files based on their individual histories then being able to query for the files you want.
[02:56] <yotux> I would use apt-get remove kde4-core followed by a autoclean
[02:56] <yotux> then try re-installing
[02:57] <kiba> won't work
[03:02] <yotux> fatguy: I load into kde4 and every thing seem larger on this display what where your thoughts
[03:02] <yotux> I run 1400x900 res
[03:02] <yotux> icons where huge for me
[03:03] <yotux> kiba:  I can't debug for you at the moment,  I am running other apt scripts at the moment
[03:04] <kiba> good night
[03:04] <yotux> good evening
[03:13] <rayne3rr0r> can I get help with kubuntu on my lapto
[03:13] <rayne3rr0r> laptop*
[03:14] <ubuntu_> hola a todos
[03:15] <norv> !es | ubuntu_
[03:15] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:16] <el_taco> anyone here use a board with AMD northbridge?
[03:16] <rayne3rr0r> in kubuntu my kde won't start
[03:16] <rayne3rr0r> fatal I0 error
[03:17] <rayne3rr0r> xauth: error in locking authority file /home/rayne/ .Xauthority
[03:18] <no0tic> rayne3rr0r, remove .Xauthority and don't use sudo with graphical applications
[03:19] <rayne3rr0r> how do I do that
[03:22] <rayne3rr0r> ok I removed it and tried to start the gui but it didn't work
[03:23] <no0tic> rayne3rr0r, what does it tell you?
[03:24] <rayne3rr0r> xauth: error in locking authority file /home/rayne/ .Xuthority
[03:25] <no0tic> rayne3rr0r, you must remove it.
[03:26] <rayne3rr0r> I did do that
[03:26] <no0tic> rayne3rr0r, log in a console and rm .Xauthority
[03:27] <rayne3rr0r> rm: cannot remove .Xauthority : No such file or directory
[03:38] <ahmos> hi everybody, i've installed limewire and frostwire..but frostwire didn't work,anyboy can help me plz?
[03:40] <ol_dude67> what is the error with frostwire?
[03:41] <Roy_M> Hi, I am just wondering where the best place to ask about iperf might be?
[03:41] <rayne3rr0r> no0tic I removed the file and I still can't get into kde
[03:42] <ahmos> Something went wrong with FrostWire.
[03:42] <ahmos> Maybe you're using the wrong version of Java?
[03:42] <ahmos> (FrostWire is tested against and works best with with Sun's JRE, Java 1.4+)
[03:42] <ahmos> The version of Java in your PATH is:
[03:42] <ahmos> java version "1.6.0_03"
[03:42] <ahmos> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05)
[03:42] <ahmos> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.6.0_03-b05, mixed mode)
[03:43] <no0tic> rayne3rr0r, same error?
[03:43] <no0tic> rayne3rr0r, try creating a new user and logging in with that
[03:43] <rayne3rr0r> ok
[03:44] <rayne3rr0r> should I work in recovery mode?
[03:44] <no0tic> rayne3rr0r, no
[03:44] <dangaio> hello, I just installed Kubuntu 7.10
[03:45] <dangaio> It said that there was a distribution upgrade and I ran it.
[03:45] <dangaio> Now it is  stuck on installing upgrade and it's been at 0% for the past 20 minutes.  Is this ok?
[03:48] <rayne3rr0r> no0tic xauth: timeout in locking authority file //.serverauth.5174
[03:48] <rayne3rr0r> xauth: timeout in locking authority file //.Xauthority
[03:49] <rayne3rr0r> gives me the same error
[03:49] <Agent_bob> ok that artical explains why the live CD is hanging with "permission denied" error messages.    it's because the latest liveCD tries to automount all connected file systems.     bad move ubuntu!
[03:50] <dangaio> should I kill this process/application?
[03:53] <Agent_bob> rayne3rr0r user will not have permission to touch //.*   do you mean ~/.Xauthority  ?
[03:53] <rayne3rr0r> nope that's what it said
[03:54] <Agent_bob> then either the error message is wrong or you found a bug.   cause nothing should be trying to touch //.*
[03:54] <rayne3rr0r> "XI0: fatal I0 error 104 (connection reset by peer) on Xserver ":0.0"
[03:54] <rayne3rr0r>        after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining" is what I get when I try to startx
[03:55] <ol_dude67> ahmos,did you upgrade your java first then install frostwire?
[03:56] <Agent_bob> rayne3rr0r look for the   EE   just before that, if there is one
[03:56] <rayne3rr0r> there isn't one
[03:57] <Agent_bob> hmmmm.    did you just install a vidio driver ?
[03:57] <rayne3rr0r> the restricted driver?
[03:57] <Agent_bob> any ?
[03:57] <rayne3rr0r> yesterday
[03:57] <Agent_bob> and this is the first reboot ?
[03:58] <rayne3rr0r> nope
[03:58] <rayne3rr0r> I rebooted fine yesterday
[03:58] <Agent_bob> k
[03:58] <el_taco> anyone here use a board with AMD northbridge? I'm looking for a new board and wonder if there's any compatibility issues
[04:00] <Agent_bob> rayne3rr0r that seems to be a xorg.conf misconfiguration error.    you may have to reconfigure it.
[04:00] <rayne3rr0r> alright how do I go about doing that
[04:00] <Agent_bob> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:02] <rayne3rr0r> what do I put at "video card's bus identifier"
[04:02] <Agent_bob> the default should be correct
[04:03] <rayne3rr0r> do I use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[04:03] <Agent_bob> no
[04:06] <ol_dude67> how do you change the keyboard map?
[04:06] <MarcC> how do I make it so no text-mode stuff about USB appears when I come out of suspend mode?
[04:08] <rayne3rr0r> woo hoo it worked
[04:08] <ol_dude67> never mind i found it.
[04:08] <rayne3rr0r> thanks guys
[04:09] <Agent_bob> MarcC idk. sorry.
[04:10] <Agent_bob> and just didn't want you to think you had been totally ignored.
[04:12] <marcelol> Hello people
[04:13] <marcelol> Anyone know if/how to get KDE 4 on Feisty ?
[04:13]  * Agent_bob looks beside him at the case that contains the laptop that hasn't been out of the case in over two months; and wonders if suspend will even work on it...
[04:13] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[04:13] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[04:13] <marcelol_> sorry...
[04:14] <Agent_bob> i don't know about fiesty tho.
[04:14] <marcelol_> anyone know if it's possible to get KDE 4 on Feisty ?
[04:14] <marcelol_> Grrrr
[04:15] <marcelol_> what did you say Agent_bob ?
[04:15] <Agent_bob> i don't know about fiesty tho.
[04:15] <ol_dude67> now this is annoying, everytime i hit the shift and backspace key it kicks me back to the login screen
[04:15] <Agent_bob> !kde4 | marcelol you can install from source i'm sure...
[04:15] <ubotu> marcelol you can install from source i'm sure...: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[04:17] <marcelol_> how can I install from source ?
[04:18] <marcelol_> is there a howto somewhere ?
[04:18] <Agent_bob> !source | marcelol_
[04:18] <ubotu> marcelol_: You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[04:18] <Agent_bob> bah they changed that infonode.
[04:19] <marcelol_> :(
[04:19] <Agent_bob> marcelol_ at any rate.   you should check the backports first.  there may be a package for fiesty
[04:19] <marcelol_> wish there was a package for Feisty
[04:19] <marcelol_> Hmmm
[04:19] <marcelol_> where are the backports ?
[04:19] <Agent_bob> !backports
[04:19] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[04:19] <marcelol_> excellent
[04:20] <Agent_bob> !packaging
[04:20] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[04:20] <Agent_bob> those infonodes shouldn't be linked like that.
[04:21] <Agent_bob> 90% of people that want to know about backports are not developers trying to get a package into the repos
[04:21] <Agent_bob> maybe 99%
[04:24] <heinkel_111> anybody know about problems with the flickuploadr for digikam?
[04:24] <epimeth> hi guys... I'm having some trouble installing flash
[04:24] <epimeth> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[04:24] <epimeth> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[04:24] <ol_dude67> !flash
[04:24] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash - The Flash package is currently BROKEN, see « /msg ubotu FlashIssues »
[04:24] <Agent_bob> !FlashIssues
[04:24] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[04:25] <ol_dude67> haha
[04:25] <ol_dude67> that too
[04:25] <heinkel_111> anybody know about problems with the flickuploadr for digikam?
[04:26] <marcelol_> what about if I do a "Version Upgrade" using Adept ?
[04:26] <Agent_bob> !upgrade
[04:26] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:26] <ol_dude67> marcelol_, what are you trying to upgrade the distro or kde?
[04:27] <Agent_bob> kde was the first target ol_dude67
[04:27] <ol_dude67> ok thats what i thought
[04:27] <ol_dude67> had me lost there for a second
[04:27] <Agent_bob> seems that system to attain, may be on the agenda now
[04:29] <marcelol_> Well.....I'd prefer just to upgrade KDE, to be honest with you...unless there's something really compelling in Hardy
[04:29] <marcelol_> Feisty's been plenty stable for me....
[04:30] <Agent_bob> claydoh: i need to reboot to get information on a bug...   so i'll be back      (maybe)
[04:30] <Agent_bob> claydoh = oh,    stupid nick completion.
[04:31] <ol_dude67> i dont know for sure but with all the crashes i had with kde4 i think ill let it rest for awhile before i switch back to it.but thats my thought.
[04:31] <marcelol_> oh ? 4 misbehaving ?
[04:32] <marcelol_> ok...maybe I'll let it be then
[04:32] <ol_dude67> well it was for me
[04:32] <ol_dude67> and ive heard others talk about it as well you can ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[04:32] <apparle> Sometimes my system just hangs (when I am doing nothing special) and I have to reboot!! What ot do
[04:34] <ol_dude67> apparle, what video card are you using?
[04:34] <apparle> ol_dude67: ATI Radeon Express 200
[04:35] <TheWhiteRook> speaking of KDE4, is it better now than it was when they first released it?
[04:35] <ol_dude67> TheWhiteRook, i think they have another release coming out in febuary
[04:35] <TheWhiteRook> sweet, thanx
[04:35] <ol_dude67> apparle, do you have the driver loaded for it?
[04:36] <apparle> ol_dude67: Yes
[04:37] <gustavo> hola
[04:38] <apparle> 'libbonobo2-common' and 'libbonobo2-0' both depend on each other what should I do ??
[04:39] <Agent_bob> use the forct luke
[04:39] <Agent_bob> force
[04:39] <Agent_bob> force it
[04:40] <Agent_bob> PUSH !
[04:42] <apparle> libbonobo2-common' and 'libbonobo2-0' both depend on each other what should I do ??: You mean I should ask dpkg to ignore dependency problem
[04:42] <apparle> Agent_bob: You mean I should ask dpkg to ignore dependency problem
[04:42] <posingaspopular> hey all, i need the java compiler, which package do I install?
[04:42] <Agent_bob> apparle:  i just told you.    so stop repeting!             sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/libbonobo2-common* /var/cache/apt/archives/libbonobo2-0*
[04:43] <Agent_bob> you might follow it with    sudo apt-get install -f    to make sure that there are no other issues.
[04:44] <Dhraakellian> can you do an alternate install from the DVD?
[04:44] <apparle> Agent_bob: I will try when I am home
[04:44] <Agent_bob> posingaspopular jcc maybe?   i really don't know.    let me check.
[04:45] <Agent_bob> ah   gcj - The GNU Java compiler
[04:45] <Agent_bob> Dhraakellian i think so yes.
[04:46] <Dhraakellian> gcj or javac?
[04:47] <Agent_bob> gcj-4.1 - The GNU compiler for Java(TM)
[04:47] <Agent_bob> javacc - A parser generator for use with Java
[04:47] <heinkel_111> anybody know about problems with the flickuploadr for digikam?
[04:47] <apparle> Anybody knows a GUI frontend for MEncoder
[04:48] <marcelol_> javac
[04:48] <Agent_bob> !info javac
[04:48] <ubotu> Package javac does not exist in gutsy
[04:48] <marcelol_> gcj will give you no end of grief if you try to run things like FrostWire ( oh was I not supposed to talk about that ? )
[04:48] <Dhraakellian> !info javacc
[04:48] <ubotu> javacc (source: javacc): A parser generator for use with Java. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0+cvs20070207-3 (gutsy), package size 259 kB, installed size 348 kB
[04:49] <marcelol_> ubotu : nor is it in Feisty....I had to dload it too
[04:49] <Agent_bob> marcelol_  i was pointing out that it was not packaged for ubuntu.
[04:50] <marcelol_> oh...gotcha Agent_bob
[04:50] <Agent_bob> or by ubuntu  as case may be.
[04:51] <Agent_bob> !find gcj
[04:51] <ubotu> Found: ecj-gcj, gcj, gcj-4.2, gcj-4.2-base, java-gcj-compat (and 61 others)
[04:52] <Juliette33> hello all
[04:53] <Juliette33> http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/11/90/17/15/fgdh10.jpg --- an example from exotics.heavenforum.com... http://exotics.heavenforum.com .....
[04:53] <Juliette33> http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/11/90/17/15/fgdh10.jpg --- an example from exotics.heavenforum.com... http://exotics.heavenforum.com .......
[04:53] <ol_dude67> well thats not going to work...any one wanna get an op?
[04:53] <ol_dude67> dang
[04:54] <Agent_bob> ops we need a kline on Juliette@88.232.52.7
[04:55] <ol_dude67> Agent_bob, is that all you have to do to get an op?
[04:56] <TheWhiteRook> I tried to install KDE 4 using the instructions on http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php, but when I tried to do the install kde4-core, it said it couldn't find the package.
[04:56] <Agent_bob> ol_dude67 if that * was still here, i'd have said !ops which is all that is required.  but just ops will probably be noticed,   i know that some set their irc clients to key on "ops"
[04:56] <ol_dude67> ok ill have to remember that.
[04:57] <posingaspopular> Agent_bob: yea i have jcc
[04:57] <posingaspopular> it's still not compiling
[04:57] <Agent_bob> ol_dude67 don't abuse it.   but use it if needed
[04:57] <ol_dude67> TheWhiteRook, did you try sudo aptitude install kde4-core?
[04:57] <Agent_bob> posingaspopular  <Agent_bob> ah   gcj - The GNU Java compiler
[04:57] <TheWhiteRook> I used apt-get
[04:58] <TheWhiteRook> hey it worked, Agent_bob
[04:58] <TheWhiteRook> thanx
[04:58] <TheWhiteRook> wait
[04:58] <TheWhiteRook> no it didn't
[04:58] <posingaspopular> Agent_bob: ahhh ive been lied to. the windows folks use 'javac program.java' whereas I need to do javacc program.java
[04:58] <TheWhiteRook> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[04:58] <TheWhiteRook> ah
[04:58] <ol_dude67> Agent_bob, i dont even usually worry about it as someone else always beats me to it. lmao
[04:59] <posingaspopular> kthanks i got it now, have to go fix my errors
[04:59] <TheWhiteRook> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "kde4-core"
[05:00] <Agent_bob> !kde4 | TheWhiteRook been here ?
[05:00] <ubotu> TheWhiteRook been here ?: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[05:00] <TheWhiteRook> not today...
[05:01] <ol_dude67> TheWhiteRook, or you could use the adept manager as well i just checked and its in the search for it.
[05:01] <TheWhiteRook> I'll check
[05:03] <TheWhiteRook> ol_dude67: mmm there's a whole bunch of kde4 stuff, but no kde4-core
[05:03] <ol_dude67> hmmm thats odd i have it.
[05:03] <TheWhiteRook> mmm
[05:03] <TheWhiteRook> it'd probably come up for you if you tried apt-get or aptitude
[05:04] <Agent_bob> update
[05:04] <TheWhiteRook> oh yeah!
[05:04] <TheWhiteRook> der.
[05:04] <TheWhiteRook> I'll try that.
[05:04] <ol_dude67> lol
[05:04] <TheWhiteRook> GAH When will my bathroom mate learn that she can't sing for shit?
[05:04] <TheWhiteRook> sorry, just had to throw that out.
[05:05] <Agent_bob> no.  you didn't have too...
[05:05] <Agent_bob> !language | TheWhiteRook
[05:05] <ubotu> TheWhiteRook: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[05:05] <TheWhiteRook> sorry
[05:05] <TheWhiteRook> it was bothring me
[05:05] <ol_dude67> ya have to watch the language in here.
[05:06] <TheWhiteRook> only need to tell me once :P
[05:06] <ol_dude67> ah i wasnt telling you was just making a statement.
[05:07] <adrock358> I need to make use of your genius here fellas.  my wireless only works with the livecd.  i found out what i have to do to make it work, but, i have to download all possible upgrades to my system first...I've done this already and it works.  So, I'm back at step one again, and I need to download all upgrades.  Except I need to do it manually, via a disk.  I have to do this because I can't plug in to the internet.  All I have is
[05:07] <ol_dude67> i have caught myself doing it as well.:(
[05:07] <TheWhiteRook> yeah, but so did Agent_bob via that ubotu thing
[05:08] <adrock358> Anybody got any suggestions?
[05:09] <Agent_bob> adrock358 your post turncated at "All I have is"
[05:09] <TheWhiteRook> odd. Adept_update thing tells me I've got no updates to get, but whenI do apt-get upgrade, it tells me I have 28...
[05:09] <adrock358> agent_bob.  hmmm.  the last line was all i have is livecd.  thanks.
[05:09] <Agent_bob> update != upgrade
[05:10] <TheWhiteRook> :P sorry
[05:10] <Agent_bob> adrock358 apt-move   i think is the script you might want.
[05:10] <TheWhiteRook> Agent_bob: The apt-get update thing worked. thanx
[05:10] <Agent_bob> adrock358 no apt-zip
[05:11] <Agent_bob> TheWhiteRook welcome.
[05:11] <Agent_bob> !apt-zip | adrock358
[05:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-zip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <Agent_bob> !info apt-zip | adrock358
[05:11] <ubotu> adrock358: apt-zip (source: apt-zip): Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.15 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 116 kB
[05:11] <adrock358> thewhiterook.  yeah dog.  definitely two different things.  not sure what the diff is though
[05:12]  * Agent_bob wonders whether to explain that one or not......
[05:12] <adrock358> agent_bob.  i'm lost dog.  what will i do with this apt-zip once i download it.  i'll start it right now.
[05:12] <TheWhiteRook> I think when you do update, it updates the lists of packages, but when you do upgrade, it installs the.... upgrades.... of packages you already have
[05:13] <Agent_bob> TheWhiteRook correct.
[05:13] <TheWhiteRook> though that "I think" is a pretty definite one.
[05:13] <TheWhiteRook> lol, yay! do I win?
[05:13] <Agent_bob> no
[05:13] <adrock358> thewhierook.  i say you win bro
[05:13] <TheWhiteRook> awwwww *goes away to find somewhere where explanations are more appreciated*
[05:13] <TheWhiteRook> yay!
[05:14] <adrock358> thewhiterook.  no prob.  anything i can do, you-know.
[05:14] <Agent_bob> adrock358 what you do with the package is install it and read the man page     what you do in here is stop calling people names.
[05:14] <TheWhiteRook> *celebrates* (by the way, replace bro with sis...:P)
[05:14] <adrock358> agent_bob who did i call names?
[05:15] <apparle> TheWhiteRook: What's the fuss! I have not seen such a heated discussion here for a long time
[05:16] <TheWhiteRook> fuss?
[05:17] <TheWhiteRook> I'm just in a social mood... :P
[05:19] <adrock358> agenagent_bob how do i get apt-zip?
[05:20] <Agent_bob> !packages
[05:20] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[05:20] <Agent_bob> use the url and dirrect dl ^
[05:20] <adrock358> agent_bob thank you
[05:20] <apparle> TheWhiteRook: Why are you going to use apt-zip ( I wannna tweak it too)
[05:21] <adrock358> agent_bob were you serious about the names?
[05:21] <adrock358> apparle  i am
[05:21] <TheWhiteRook> apparle: I'm not using apt-zip...
[05:22] <adrock358> agent_bob.  I swore off this one kid once.  but he totally deserved it.  you weren't there, were you?  i was in ubuntu-massachusetts as I believe
[05:23] <Agent_bob> adrock358 i realize that in your vernacular calling someone a dog is a minor thing.  but in some cultures around the world that is quite an insult.   and you must remember that any irc channel is a world wide forum
[05:24] <adrock358> agent_bob.  in my culture "dog" is not minor.  It is a term of endearment.  If I offended you sir, I apologize sincerely.  Thanks.                      -Adam
[05:26] <apparle> 'apt-zip creates a script that uses wget to download the files; easily translated to a msdos script' This is the information I get from ubuntu chatroom. I have a box of kubuntu without net and a box with Windows XP at work. Can anybody help
[05:27] <adrock358> apparle.  hlwp with what?  it sounds like you have it under control?
[05:28] <adrock358> Apparle.  Oh.  you want to use it?
[05:28] <adrock358> Apparle.  let's do it together because I am doing it right now.  First, find removeable media.  2nd, download apt zip from synaptic.  Then we will continue.
[05:29] <apparle> adrock358: I have a removable 1GB USB drive. I will download apt-zip
[05:30] <adrock358> agent_bob.  i can't find apt zip on my comp once i d/l'd it.  running "zip," does nothing.
[05:30] <adrock358> apparle.  ok.  agent_bob is helping me too.  it sounds like it is self-explanatory once you run apt-zip
[05:31] <Agent_bob> "kubuntu without net" <^> may be totally without networking, in which case you will have to use the url http://packages.ubuntu.com to first get apt-zip and transfer it to the linux box.
[05:31] <Agent_bob> @apparle ^
[05:32] <Agent_bob> adrock358 i don't know where you downloaded it to, or how.    care to fill in some blanks for me ?
[05:32] <adrock358> agent_bob.  i used synaptic.  d/l'd and installed it.  but i can't run it now.
[05:32] <apparle> adrock358: I am on a Windows XP box. Will I get it on packages.ubuntu.com  This site I use for all other packages
[05:33] <apparle> next wht to do
[05:33] <adrock358> apparle.  get it here
[05:33] <adrock358> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:33] <adrock358> apparle.  yes you'll get it on packages.ubuntu.com if you do a search for it
[05:34] <Agent_bob> dpkg -L apt-zip | less      < adrock358 that will list all the files that the package installed and give their location.
[05:34] <apparle> Next what
[05:34] <apparle> Agent_bob: not understood
[05:35] <adrock358> apparle.  you are on win xp?  ---agentbob or someone else may need to assist you.  i recommend reading all there is about apt-zip from ubuntu pages first before asking for help.
[05:35] <Agent_bob> adrock358 but you probably want to save the package from the package cache, to move it to the system that isn't networked.    /var/cache/apt/archives/apt-zip*
[05:35] <adrock358> agent_bob.  I install apt-zip on the UN-NETWORKED box?
[05:36] <apparle> I have the .deb file for apt-zip. I will install when I am home. What next
[05:36] <Agent_bob> ok.   then   you should be able to view the man page    man apt-zip
[05:36] <adrock358> apparle.  i don't know.  perhaps come back then into the irc chat room and ask for help.
[05:36] <apparle> Agent_bob: Not right now but when I am home
[05:38] <apparle> adrock358 & Agent_bob: I wanna ask you people that can I use apt-zip such that I get the downloads from a XP box and install it at home
[05:39] <adrock358> apparle.  you got to download the packages you want to install first.  then use apt-zip to transfer them to disk, then go home, and install them on your linux box.  how to do all these steps however, I am not sure.
[05:39] <Agent_bob> apparle yes you install apt-zip at home and apt-zip-list <package_name>    and use the script it generates to then fetch the packages you need.
[05:39] <adrock358> agent_bob.  thank you for your help.  I am too tired to do this tonight.
[05:40] <adrock358> agent_bob.  apparle.  Good night fellas.
[05:40] <Agent_bob> adrock358 k.
[05:40] <TheWhiteRook> night
[05:40] <apparle> adrock358: Just a second: Tell me will the script work for Windows
[05:41] <adrock358> thewhiterook.  goodnight see you later.
[05:41] <apparle> adrock358: be thanks for help
[05:41] <apparle> adrock358: bye thanks for help
[05:43] <apparle> Agent_bob: How to convert script in linux to msdos script
[05:45] <Agent_bob> apparle well the line ends can be converted with   unix2dos <filename>    i'm not sure if the syntax is all compatable or not...
[05:46] <Agent_bob> see i don't do windows.  so i'm not very savy in that area
[05:52] <MilitantPotato> I just sorted konq not mounting ntfs drives on my system
[05:52]  * MilitantPotato golf clap
[05:53] <sco50000> what is the root password for the kubuntu fiesty 7.04 live cd?
[05:54] <Hydrogen> there isn't.
[05:54] <hsystemxX> sco50000 , password =  livecd
[05:55] <Hydrogen> uhh no
[05:55] <sco50000> hsystemxX: that didn't work
[05:55] <MilitantPotato> !root
[05:55] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[05:55] <Hydrogen> there isn't one.
[05:55] <hsystemxX> Hydrogen, if you log out in a live cd
[05:55] <hsystemxX> to login you need a password (system password)
[05:56] <hsystemxX> password = livecd
[05:56] <Hydrogen> then you don't need the root password to log in
[05:56] <Hydrogen> and the root password is what was requested
[05:56] <Hydrogen> please, answer the question, not what you think the question may possibly mean
[05:56] <hsystemxX> root pass in kubuntu is the same as user password...
[05:56] <hsystemxX> i know what im talking.
[05:56] <Hydrogen> no
[05:56] <Hydrogen> it isn't.
[05:56] <Hydrogen> and you don't./
[05:56] <MilitantPotato> nah, sudo password is, if the user is in that group, if I'm guessing right
[05:57] <hsystemxX> yes i know, he is not doing passwd and setting root, but the live cd password works as system password.
[05:57] <Hydrogen> right
[05:57] <Hydrogen> but not the root password
[05:57] <Hydrogen> the question was, "what is the root password"
[05:57] <Hydrogen> it wasn't "What is the password for the user"
[05:57] <Hydrogen> you cannot login as root with the password "livecd"
[05:57] <hsystemxX> yeah but use your logic, is a livecd... he is asking the default password of the livecd which is livecd.
[05:57] <Hydrogen> you cannot su to root with the password "livecd"
[05:58] <Hydrogen> no, he's asking for the root password
[05:58] <Hydrogen> it says it right in the question!
[05:58] <hsystemxX> well there is no root pass so, it isnt root password.
[05:58] <MilitantPotato> I'll turn this internet around if you two don't stop.
[05:58] <Hydrogen> exactly!
[05:58] <Agent_bob> apparle here is an example of the scripts generated by apt-zip-list   if you are interested in looking  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d318125af
[05:58] <hsystemxX> so he is not asking root password... follow you logic LOL
[05:59] <Hydrogen> no
[05:59] <Hydrogen> he was asking for the root password
[05:59] <Hydrogen> because, most linux distrobutions have a root password
[05:59] <Hydrogen> and one would assume that *buntu does as well
[05:59] <Hydrogen> that would be why there is a factoid about it
[05:59] <hsystemxX> livecd doesnt have root password. But if you want to manage the livecd, the root password LIKE* is livecd.
[05:59] <Agent_bob> MilitantPotato is it really two of them?  or just one guy arguing with himself ?
[06:00] <Hydrogen> that would not be me
[06:00] <Hydrogen> my intelligence is just a bit higher
[06:00] <Hydrogen> :/
[06:00] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:00] <Hydrogen> & i'm rite
[06:00] <MilitantPotato> hyn=hydrogen@ignorance.campus.alfred.edu
[06:00] <MilitantPotato> oops
[06:02] <Hydrogen> well
[06:02] <Hydrogen> now that I won that conversation
[06:02] <Hydrogen> i'm off again
[06:02] <Agent_bob> "won that conversation"   lol
[06:03] <Agent_bob> that does seem to be how some view it....      how sad.
[06:03] <Agent_bob> Hydrogen what ya workin' on now?
[06:04] <Hydrogen> well
[06:04] <Hydrogen> I was going to prepare for sleep
[06:04] <Hydrogen> it being late and all
[06:04] <Agent_bob> oh.   well let me wish ya a plesent and restful one then.
[06:04] <MilitantPotato> Agent_bob: Yea on the first bit & I agree
[06:06] <TheWhiteRook> not auto away nick?
[06:06] <NotAutoAwayNick> just in case you were wondrin!
[06:07] <Agent_bob> long story, i'm sure.       but the short of it is, away messages are frowned upon in here.    (by the opers not by me.)
[06:07] <NotAutoAwayNick> which is why it wasn't an auto away message
[06:07] <Agent_bob> @TheWhiteRook ^
[06:07] <NotAutoAwayNick> It was a willing decision to change to a nickname that more appropriatly represented my position on the world
[06:07] <NotAutoAwayNick> at this current time
[06:08] <Agent_bob> padentic too
[06:09] <holyguyver> !dapper
[06:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) was the fourth release of Ubuntu. See !lts for more details.
[06:09] <holyguyver> Why is Kubuntu Hardy not going to be LTS?
[06:10] <Agent_bob> why should it be? it's only 2 years from the first LTS
[06:10] <MilitantPotato> Because it wouldn't be as awsome.
[06:10] <no0tic> Agent_bob, ubuntu will
[06:11] <holyguyver> So when will Kubuntu's next LTS be?
[06:11] <NotAutoAwayNick> I would say that one of the primary reasons is a) No one wants to commit to supporting kde3.5 for five more years, and b) No one wants to commit to supporting kde 4.0 for five more years
[06:11] <Agent_bob> no0tic ?
[06:12] <NotAutoAwayNick> and as such, it makes more sense to wait for a release of kde that makes sense to support for five years
[06:12] <NotAutoAwayNick> this is, however, just a guess
[06:12] <holyguyver> Why not commit to supporting KDE4 for the next 5 years?
[06:12] <NotAutoAwayNick> I didn't say that
[06:12] <NotAutoAwayNick> I said kde4.0
[06:13] <holyguyver> O I get you, as in they may be willing to support 4.1 or 4.3 or whatever when it comes out :)
[06:13] <NotAutoAwayNick> right
[06:13] <Agent_bob> wait.    support kde for 5 years   no.   that's not how LTS works
[06:13] <NotAutoAwayNick> well
[06:13] <NotAutoAwayNick> even three years
[06:13] <NotAutoAwayNick> whatever it is on the desktop
[06:13] <Agent_bob> 5 year support is only for server    and server is gui'less
[06:14] <Agent_bob> yes 3 year.
[06:14] <NotAutoAwayNick> it doesn't change the underlying fact :)
[06:14] <NotAutoAwayNick> or underlying guess
[06:14] <Agent_bob> oh maybe that "<Agent_bob> padentic too"  was for me not you....
[06:15] <NotAutoAwayNick> i'm sure there were other reasons
[06:15] <NotAutoAwayNick> and I have a feeling we will see another lts release sometime before the dapper one runs out
[06:16] <Agent_bob> 9.6
[06:16] <holyguyver> Is there a blog entry or wiki page that discusses the reasonings?
[06:16] <NotAutoAwayNick> yes
[06:16] <Agent_bob> well 9.4   tenative,  9.6 likely
[06:16] <NotAutoAwayNick> riddels blog and jucato's blog talks about it
[06:17] <holyguyver> can you give me a link?
[06:17] <NotAutoAwayNick> no
[06:17] <NotAutoAwayNick> google can though
[06:17] <holyguyver> okay :p
[06:17] <NotAutoAwayNick> they are both syndicated on planetkde.org
[06:17] <holyguyver> thanks :)
[06:46] <_4strO> yo
[06:55] <Ayabara> does kmail/korganizer have support for receiveing meeting attachments like the ones Outlook makes?
[06:58] <holyguyver> Okay I am back. I agree with Johnathon Jesse on Kubuntu should release a LTS
[07:00] <holyguyver> !Hello
[07:00] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:01] <holyguyver> !Hi ubotu , it seems that you are the only one in here willing to talk with me :p
[07:02] <jussi01> !bot | holyguyver
[07:02] <ubotu> holyguyver: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:03] <ol_dude67> lmao
[07:03] <corporeal> anyone here use funionfs?
[07:03] <sub[t]rnl> f
[07:03] <corporeal> yes, f.
[07:03] <corporeal> funionfs.
[07:03] <corporeal> the fuse one
[07:07] <holyguyver> is it possible to make Dolphan defalt to the typing nav instead of the breadcrum?
[07:07] <noname> Hello, when I edit a file, a backup file is created automatically, is there a way to disable this?
[07:10] <noname> oh, got that... kate creates a backup file when the file is changed, I can turn it off in kate's settings...
[07:10] <holyguyver> great, now does anyone know an answer to my question? :p
[07:11] <jussi01> holyguyver: which question?
[07:11] <holyguyver>  is it possible to make Dolphan defalt to the typing nav instead of the breadcrum?
[07:11] <jussi01> huh?
[07:12] <holyguyver> the file manager it has an option to either nav through the url type nav or through a crum nav, but it defalts to crum
[07:13] <ol_dude67> ok is it just me or is it a setting that when you hit the shift key and the backspace key at the same time it boots you back to login screen?
[07:13] <MilitantPotato> that's XGL
[07:13] <ol_dude67> oh hmmm do i need it, cause that setting is making me mad.lol
[07:14] <Ayabara> ah. I've been wondering which keys I accidentally have pushed to make that happen..
[07:14] <jussi01> Ayabara: also ctrl alt backspace does it
[07:14] <ol_dude67> well im glad im not the only one that that has happened too.
[07:15] <ol_dude67> jussi01, i knew about that one.
[07:15] <MilitantPotato> there's a way to disable it ol_dude67 but I lost the command
[07:15] <MilitantPotato> check google
[07:15] <Ayabara> jussi01: that one I know of, but I couldn't understand how I managed to hit that combo by accident :-)
[07:15] <ol_dude67> MilitantPotato, i can kill it with ps -e
[07:16] <MilitantPotato> don't kill XGL
[07:16] <ol_dude67> oh ok
[07:16] <ol_dude67> lol
[07:16] <Ayabara> shift-backspace explains it :-)
[07:16] <MilitantPotato> your desktop will go away :)
[07:16] <holyguyver> So any way I can change the defalt nav in dolphan?
[07:16] <MilitantPotato> If you're using compiz or another window manager
[07:16] <ol_dude67> no im just using kde
[07:17] <ol_dude67> well hold on ill check
[07:18] <jessie> hey guys
[07:20] <ol_dude67> well i have got to find out how to kill it, i have done it 6 times today alone.
[07:22] <jesse_> i just replaced kwin with enlightenment but am unsure of how to access the enlightenment menus to install themes etc.  Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
[07:24] <izzyb_> how do I go about restarting the kde mediamanager if it crashes?
[07:24] <sub[t]rnl> jesse_➜ might want to join #e for enlightenment support
[07:25] <izzyb_> I was trying to unmount a thumb drive when something went wrong and now when I view the storage media, I see an error at the bottom
[07:25] <jesse_> thanks sub[t]rnl i'll give it a shot
[07:25] <izzyb_> 'The KDE mediamanager is not running'
[07:25] <ol_dude67> well i found a page for fiesty but not for 7.10 dang it.
[07:26]  * izzyb_ knows rebooting fixes the problem, but this isn't windows, so that shouldn't be the answer
[07:28] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[07:29] <ol_dude67> could always log out and restart x
[07:29] <sub[t]rnl> or sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 libdbus-1.so.3.3.0
[07:30] <sub[t]rnl> (maybe)
[07:33] <ol_dude67> anyone have a guess on how to shut off the setting XGL that sends you back to the login screen by hitting the shift and backspace key?
[07:33] <ol_dude67> cause as bad as i typo and hit the backspace key to fix it, its a pain.
[07:34] <sub[t]rnl> in your xorg.conf
[07:34] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[07:34] <sub[t]rnl> Option “DontZap” “yes”
[07:34] <ol_dude67> oh i dont want to have to do that.
[07:35] <ol_dude67> crap how do i get to it in kubuntu? i know how in slack but not kubuntu.
[07:35] <sub[t]rnl> gonna have to get your hands dirty one of these days ol_dude67
[07:35] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[07:35] <sub[t]rnl> its in /etc/X11/
[07:35] <sub[t]rnl> add it between Section “ServerFlags” and Endsection at the bottom
[07:35] <ol_dude67> sub[t]rnl, i know how, and im use to getting my hands dirty, i run slack as well.
[07:36] <sub[t]rnl> ah, thats right I remember you saying that
[07:36] <sub[t]rnl> my bad
[07:36] <sub[t]rnl> too many faces around here
[07:36] <ol_dude67> just not to use to kubuntu, it has some difference to it.
[07:36] <sub[t]rnl> aye
[07:39] <sangeli> Hi, I just installed kubuntu and when running Adept I get this strage error: "Another process is using the packaging system database. Would you like to attempt to resolve this problem? If I say yes, it crashes. Even when I reboot I get the same issue. Not a nice start. What to do to fix it?
[07:39] <ol_dude67> sub[t]rnl, in quotes?
[07:39] <sub[t]rnl> ol_dude67➜ yup, just how I typed it
[07:39] <ol_dude67> ty
[07:40] <sangeli> Please help if someone knows how to solve it. Thanks
[07:40] <sub[t]rnl> its not case sensitive though.  Not sure if anything in xorg.conf is.
[07:40] <Ayabara> I get some bad beeps even though I have turned off all sound notifications. Whe I do "sudo modprobe -r pcspkr" they disappear. How can I make this change permanent?
[07:41] <sub[t]rnl> Ayabara➜ add it to /etc/modules
[07:41] <sub[t]rnl> pcspkr that is
[07:41] <sub[t]rnl> wait, your removing right
[07:42] <Ayabara> sub[t]rnl: yep :-)
[07:42] <jussi01> !adeptfix | sangeli
[07:42] <ubotu> sangeli: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[07:42] <ol_dude67> well if i get booted you know what happened.lmao
[07:43] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[07:43] <sub[t]rnl> Ayabara➜ blacklist it in /etc/modprob.d/blacklist
[07:43] <sangeli> jussi01: what do I answer to sudo dpkg question among *** qt_plugins_3.3rc (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?
[07:44] <ol_dude67> lol im back
[07:44] <sub[t]rnl> ol_dude67➜ need to restart x for it to take effect anyway :>
[07:44] <ol_dude67> ah ok
[07:44] <ol_dude67> lol
[07:44] <sangeli> what do I answer to sudo dpkg question among *** qt_plugins_3.3rc (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?
[07:44] <Ayabara> sub[t]rnl: thanks
[07:45] <sangeli> Y o I  : per installare la versione del responsabile del pacchetto
[07:45] <ol_dude67> sub[t]rnl, thanks alot
[07:45] <sub[t]rnl> anytime
[07:45] <sangeli> anyway, I opted for default option
[07:46] <panfist> im trying to remote into a fresh kubuntu machine on my network and it worked before, but i just rebooted it and now I am getting "connection refused"
[07:47] <sangeli> I solved the problme and thank you. One last question: From Adept, how to find out if I have the most current version? I ask this because after I finished installing kubuntu I got a message saying that there was a new kubuntu version and now I am unable to find out if I could installit
[07:47] <sangeli> cna someone tell me this too, please?
[07:48] <ol_dude67> if you open adept manager at top it says it.
[07:48] <sangeli> nevermind. I will reboot and wait for the system to tell me if I have to upgrade
[07:48] <sangeli> thank you for your help
[07:50] <ol_dude67> that person will be back, lmao
[07:50] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[07:52] <ol_dude67> i have just one more thing bugging me, when i leave the computer instead of it going into the screen saver mode it just goes to black screen why?
[07:52] <ol_dude67> and how do i fix it.
[07:52] <ol_dude67> oops?
[07:52] <sub[t]rnl> probably power managment
[07:52] <ol_dude67> i checked..and checked and checked been like this for about a month now.
[07:53] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, what did you check? guidance-power-manager or whatever?
[07:53] <ol_dude67> let me check again but.
[07:53] <TheWhiteRook> do you know how to get that panel at the bottom back in KDE 4? I tried to use a widget that needed OpenGL (which I don't have) and it crashed plasma, and now I just have a bunch of widgets floating around with no idea how to get them back in a bar
[07:54] <ol_dude67> sub[t]rnl, in system settings
[07:54] <sub[t]rnl> TheWhiteRook➜ try running plasma-kde4 & from konsole
[07:54] <sub[t]rnl> or from alt + f2
[07:54] <TheWhiteRook> with the &?
[07:55] <sub[t]rnl> TheWhiteRook➜ well, that just frees the konsole backup, detaching the process
[07:55] <TheWhiteRook> ohhhhh awesome. I didn't know one could do that...
[07:55] <sub[t]rnl> mhmm
[07:56] <TheWhiteRook> thing is though, I think plasma's running, cuz I do have the widgets, I just can't find any way to put them in a bar like they are by default
[07:56] <sub[t]rnl> ol_dude67➜ make sure everythings ok in the guidance-power-manager, the little lightning bolt icon
[07:57] <kadam> I'm getting the error "Class contains Q_OBJECT macro but does not inherit from QObject".  Even if I delete the macro from my class definition, I still get the error... Does anyone know what might be going on?
[07:57] <TheWhiteRook> sub[t]rnl: nothing happened.
[07:58] <sub[t]rnl> TheWhiteRook➜ if you want to return to default, you could mv .kde4/ .kde4.backup (that will restore -everything- to default settings though)
[07:58] <kadam> oops, sorry, apparently I don't automatically switch to new channels 8)
[07:58] <TheWhiteRook> will it automatically make a new kde4 folder?
[07:58] <sub[t]rnl> yeah
[07:58] <sub[t]rnl> better yet
[07:59] <TheWhiteRook> ?
[07:59] <TheWhiteRook> better yet what?
[07:59] <sub[t]rnl> ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc
[07:59] <TheWhiteRook> what do I do with it?
[07:59] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, nm, that doesn't look right
[07:59] <sub[t]rnl> was going to say remove it to get a default plasma
[08:00] <TheWhiteRook> mm Maybe I'll just reset entire kde4. I haven't done much to it, so
[08:00] <sub[t]rnl> okies
[08:00] <sigma_> does anyone know how to enable the onboard wireless on a ibm thinkpad t41 laptop?
[08:00] <sub[t]rnl> !wireless > sigma_
[08:01] <appelza> http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m143/bcamp85/they-see-me-rollin-they-hatin.jpg
[08:01] <sigma_> sub[t]rnl: not in kubuntu, lol. i mean how to switch it on with the keyboard
[08:01] <sub[t]rnl> sigma_➜ hold down fn and smash the fkeys
[08:01] <sub[t]rnl> till it lights up
[08:02] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[08:03] <TheWhiteRook> sub[t]rnl: emilsedgh from #kubuntu-kde4 said to run rm ~/.kde4/share/config/*plasma*;killall plasma;plasma
[08:03] <TheWhiteRook> and it worked
[08:03] <sub[t]rnl> cool
[08:04] <TheWhiteRook> if anyone asks again :P
[08:05] <sub[t]rnl> right on
[08:05] <sigma_> what does error 18 in grub mean? i just ran a clean install of kubuntu, how can it have a error
[08:06] <jussi01> sigma_: have you googled it?
[08:06] <ol_dude67> ya i thought they were making a new release in about 6 days.
[08:08] <sigma_> jussi01: yeah but don't have a clue what they are talking about > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-77042.html
[08:08] <jussi01> sigma_: is it an older  machine?
[08:09] <ol_dude67> he needs to change the bios settings is what i seen
[08:09] <sub[t]rnl> or better yet create a boot partition
[08:09] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[08:09] <ol_dude67> said something about using lba for the hard drive.
[08:10] <ol_dude67> sub[t]rnl, or that too
[08:10] <sigma_> jussi01: its a ibm thinkpad t41, not that old, even has a centrino processor
[08:10] <sigma_> sub[t]rnl: can i do that in ubiqity?
[08:10] <sub[t]rnl> wth is ubiqity
[08:11] <jussi01> !info ubiquity
[08:11] <ubotu> ubiquity (source: ubiquity): Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.8 (gutsy), package size 1966 kB, installed size 7448 kB
[08:11] <sigma_> the kubuntu installer
[08:11] <sub[t]rnl> jussi01➜ hrm, ill be
[08:11] <sub[t]rnl> sigma_➜ not sure
[08:11] <sub[t]rnl> fdisk user here.
[08:11] <jussi01> sigma_: should be - when you do the partitioning
[08:12] <ol_dude67> well atleast its an ibm, there are some new boards that are vista only i have seen.
[08:12] <sigma_> jussi01: yeah il just say i want to do it manually hey?
[08:12] <jussi01> sigma_: I imagine so
[08:13] <sigma_> ol_dude67: what setting did you say needed to be changed in bios?
[08:13] <ol_dude67> well when i googled it, it said to change hard drive setting to lba
[08:14] <sigma_> whats lba?
[08:14] <sigma_> jussi01: how big should i make the boot partition?
[08:14] <f00f> Is anyone else getting like weird random crashes using the NVIDIA drivers on an intel core2, x86 system with kubuntu gutsy?
[08:14] <jussi01> f00f: not i
[08:15] <jussi01> mind you I dont have a shiny system like that
[08:15] <ol_dude67> its a type of hard drive probably a maxtor or something owned by them
[08:15] <f00f> Somtimes monitor suspends indefinitely, without responding to mouse movement, keyboard.  Sometimes garbage and a half-cursor appearing in the top left corner of the screen.
[08:15] <ol_dude67> foof, kde3 or 4?
[08:16] <f00f> ol_dude67: kde3
[08:16] <ol_dude67> wow
[08:16] <sub[t]rnl> the garbage sounds like the systray icons not docking in kicker
[08:16] <f00f> no beryl/compiz
[08:16] <ol_dude67> 64 bit?
[08:16] <f00f> ol_dude67: nah, 32-bit
[08:16] <ol_dude67> or plain kubuntu?
[08:16] <ol_dude67> wow and really wow.
[08:17] <f00f> Do I need to run 64-bit? I've got 4GB ram?
[08:17] <ol_dude67> how long ago of an install?
[08:17] <ol_dude67> yes
[08:17] <f00f> Just yesterday.
[08:17] <ol_dude67> it wont see 4 gig
[08:18] <f00f> ol_dude67: how's 64-bit in terms of availability of apps and stability?
[08:18] <ol_dude67> wait that is slack im thinking of, or someone else correct me
[08:18] <sub[t]rnl> no, your right ol_dude67
[08:18] <ol_dude67> wow,..im right lmao
[08:18] <f00f> I've only ever heard bad things about it so I'm a bit nervous
[08:18] <DreadKnight> stdin: welcome :D
[08:19] <sigma_> um guys what type of partition is a boot partition? because there are only ext2 and ext3 available in the installer
[08:19] <DreadKnight> sigma_: "/"
[08:19] <ol_dude67> i use ext3 but you can choose what ever
[08:19] <sub[t]rnl> thats the root partition, dk
[08:19] <DreadKnight> yup
[08:20] <stdin> DreadKnight: hey :)
[08:20] <DreadKnight> mount point
[08:20] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, he is needing a boot partition before a certain cylinder, cause his bios is old and can't read the kernel
[08:20] <ol_dude67> ok well im out of here for the night you all take it easy on the flip side:D
[08:20] <f00f> and another question, since I'm still n00b to 64-bit.. I'm on Intel, can I install the kubuntu amd64 build?
[08:21] <sub[t]rnl> lates ol_dude67
[08:21] <ol_dude67> foof, thats for 64 bit not just amd, atleast that is what i have been told.sub laters
[08:21] <jussi01> f00f: yep
[08:21] <sigma_> would boot be a smaller partition with the mount point set as /boot ?
[08:22] <sub[t]rnl> sigma_➜ aye
[08:22] <f00f> I'll try it then, because I want to see all my 4GB....  but where can I look to find out if: emu10k1 drivers are supported?
[08:22] <f00f> because that'll be a showstopper
[08:25] <f00f> I guess I can find out when I boot the livecd lol
[08:25] <sigma_> sub[t]rnl: does that mean yes? :)
[08:25] <sub[t]rnl> yup, sorry
[08:26] <sebastian^> good morning folks
[08:26] <sub[t]rnl> sebastian^➜ morning
[08:29] <sigma_> sub[t]rnl: how big should the boot partition be?
[08:29] <sub[t]rnl> tiny
[08:29] <sub[t]rnl> 50megs
[08:29] <sub[t]rnl> and some would consider that overkill
[08:29] <jussi01> sigma_: and it should be the first one on the drive
[08:30] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, important ^^
[08:31] <sigma_> sub[t]rnl: so a 50mb ext3 partition with /boot as the mount point at the beginning of the disk should do it?
[08:32] <sub[t]rnl> yup
[08:32] <sener> hi
[08:32] <sigma_> ok il make sure its the first one, but how will the installer know that it must install grub there?
[08:33] <jussi01> !hi | sener
[08:33] <ubotu> sener: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[08:33] <sener> thanks
[08:33] <jussi01> sigma_: you can specify where to install grub
[08:35] <sub[t]rnl> yup, you can take care of all that after you have created the partition
[08:36] <sub[t]rnl> need to mount it, copy your current /boot over, then you can get in the grub shell and have it setup in the new partition
[08:36] <sub[t]rnl> or use grub-install
[08:36] <sub[t]rnl> ok, im getting some shuteye.  take care men.
[08:37] <sigma_> jussi01: can i specify that in the installer?
[08:39] <jussi01> sigma_: right at the end, it asks you where you want to install grub...
[08:40] <sigma_> jussi01: yeah do i change that from hd0 (the default) to sda2 (my boot partition at the beginning of the drive)?
[08:48] <kirkt> hey guys. ive just had  computer crash, and i want to reinstall lateset kubuntu. should i wait till a version with kde4 go out ?
[08:48] <jussi01> kirkt: you will be waiting a while... till april...
[08:49] <kirkt> ah ok
[08:49] <sigma_> jussi01: will my config above be correct?
[08:49] <jussi01> kirkt: it is available, but its not exactly stable.
[08:50] <jussi01> sigma_: I dont know, Im not at your pc
[08:50] <jussi01> sigma_: try it and see ;)
[08:50] <sigma_> ok
[08:57] <sigma_> jussi01: it said "running grub install (sda2)" then a popup box came up saying fatal error
[08:58] <sigma_> any ideas?
[09:00] <sigma_> i went back to the installer and it changed the mount point from /boot to /media/sda2 for that boot partition that i created
[09:00] <sigma_> it appears to have copied some stuff across to it as well
[09:02] <val0> check this out: http://pastebin.ca/887401
[09:05] <sigma_> val0: why did you post that?
[09:05] <val0> because i was reading pastebin and stumbled on it
[09:05] <val0> trying to call the guy to let him know about it
[09:10] <SlimeyPete> val0: so you just thought you'd post it to a public IRC channel first? ;)
[09:12] <spoonie> hi all
[09:13] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[09:31] <pawan> hi
[09:35] <appelza> anyone have a good idea for a name for an office park? (probably containing the word clifton)
[09:35] <appelza> :p
[09:36] <val0> SlimeyPete: yeh the reason i posted that was because i was hoping that people here would see what can happen if you get your card stolen and where you can find this info
[09:37] <val0> SlimeyPete: if you go there and check out what happens you can see that "Order1,2,3,4" posts are coming up
[09:37] <val0> SlimeyPete: every few mins a # comes up
[09:37] <Lynoure> appelza: try brainstorming that on #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:37] <val0> SlimeyPete: cross site scripting in effect
[09:37] <appelza> :p
[09:38] <SlimeyPete> val0: sounds bad
[09:38] <val0> SlimeyPete: yep and i've tried calling the people and those are their office numbers
[09:38] <val0> called mastercard and no answer there either
[09:38] <val0> and i can't find out what site it's coming from
[09:58] <pawan> hi
[09:58] <pawan> how to change wallpaper
[10:01] <val0> pawan: right click on your desktop, make sure all your apps are minimized
[10:01] <val0> pawan: select configure desktop
[10:03] <pawan> how to change language
[10:06] <sigma_> jussi01: finally got it installed:)
[10:07] <sigma_> does anyone know how i can list all the usb devices that are plugged into my computer?
[10:07] <SlimeyPete> sigma_: lsusb
[10:10] <bascule> if I want 10.0.0.[1-255] do I say 10.0.0.0/8 or 10.0.0.0/24 ?
[10:10] <llutz>  /24
[10:11] <llutz> @ bascule ^^
[10:20] <stf_> Hi. Is it safe to upgrade libc from 2.3.6 to 2.5 on Dapper Drake?
[10:39] <val0> how does one install SMB and NFS servers to enable file sharing with an MS machine
[10:40] <llutz> val0: install samba
[10:40] <llutz> !samba | val0
[10:40] <ubotu> val0: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[10:40] <val0> llutz: i have and it's shows up as installed, i also installed samba network viewer
[10:41] <val0> llutz: when i try to do a simple share through dolphin it tells me that i don't have SMB and NFS servers installed
[10:41] <llutz> val0: sorry no idea about that GUI-stuff
[10:42] <val0> llutz: my cli skills are very limited at the moment so i am forced to gui mostly
[11:01] <vbgunz> I have an intel pentium 4 processor, should I disable the powernowd service from bootup?
[11:03] <SlimeyPete> vbgunz: I wouldn't bother - it shouldn't cause any trouble
[11:09] <vbgunz> SlimeyPete: I disabled it, along with a few others "laptop-mode, xorg-wacom, cupsys, etc" ... trying to tweak the system... biggest problem is getting a definitive list of the applications I installed (not what comes with Kubuntu by default)...
[11:16] <anton__> Have there been any progress on drivers for Radeon Xpress 200m?
[11:18] <anton__> >.<
[11:22] <ru_> !flash
[11:22] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash - The Flash package is currently BROKEN, see « /msg ubotu FlashIssues »
[11:44] <SlimG> Is it possible to startup a second "independent" instance of konqeror so I'm able to log into a site I'm allready logged into in my first instance of konqueror?
[11:46] <emonkey> SlimG, I don't think so, use Opera or Firefox instead.
[11:49] <SlimG> emonkey: *youck*, anyhow, :) thanks for the reply
[11:49] <SlimG> Any KDE-based browser suggestions except Konqueror?
[11:50] <jussi01> SlimG: if you can tell me that, i would be very happy...
[11:50] <jussi01> SlimG: opera is qt based...
[11:53] <SlimG> jussi01: well... close... but I _just_ want a browser, not a complete package
[11:55] <jussi01> SlimG: there is a webkit one under development... but its very basic and I could never could get it to build
[11:56] <SlimG> jussi01: link?
[11:57] <comp05> salut
[11:58] <Dead_Kuzmich> preved
[11:59] <jussi01> SlimG: dont have it atm, just google for webkit linux
[11:59] <SlimG> mkay, thanks jussi01
[12:03] <SlimG> jussi01: Seems like webkit will become the default html engine in konqueror@kde4
[12:03] <jussi01> SlimG: correct
[12:04] <cpk1> guys I have a serious problem. some of my key type out two different keys each time I press it and I have no clue what happened
[12:06] <SlimG> What's the point making D3lphin the default filebrowser when Konqueror imho does a great job at that already?
[12:08] <llutz> SlimG: one said: "KDE-User wanted it...."
[12:09] <jussi01> SlimG: see !dolphin for changing it back if you need...
[12:09] <llutz> SlimG: for some konqi has too much features, they cannot handle. stupid gnome-thinking (imho)
[12:12] <SlimG> :) So noe clear reason for why this choice was made then? like "konqueror beeing too bloated", or "d3lphin beeing extremely quick" etc. ?
[12:12] <llutz> i don't know
[12:13] <SlimG> I've asked in #kubuntu-devel , maby they know
[12:13] <llutz> they should
[12:16] <SSJ_GZ> SlimG: Dolphin replaces Konqueror in KDE4 as the default file manager as Konqueror is indeed too overloaded with functionality for some people to deal with (many people cite Konqueror as the sole reason they don't use KDE).  I'm assuming the same thinking motivated the Kubuntu devs.
[12:17] <stdin> SlimG: dolphin will be default in KDE4, making it default in KDE3 gave people a chance to get used to the change. that's why
[12:23] <SlimG> SSJ_GZ: Thanks for that answer, I thought more people shared my interpretation of simplicity, clearly I'm wrong, and I even agree that D3lphin is a good idea if it'll be loved by KDE newbies
[12:24] <SSJ_GZ> np
[12:26] <xen_> Hey im having some trouble backing up my post is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4237570&postcount=497  any help much appreciated
[12:28] <Judibet> TEST
[12:57] <Sbucatone> hallo, anyone know how can i set multimedia buttons on toshiba laptop ? if i run xev i can't get any keycode when i press my multimedia buttons
[12:58] <llutz> Sbucatone: fnfxd loaded?
[12:59] <Sbucatone> llutz: mm i don't know nothing about fnfxd ...what's about that is a module for kernel ?
[12:59] <llutz> fnfxd - ACPI and hotkey daemon for Toshiba laptops
[13:00] <Sbucatone> llutz: do you know where can i get documentation ? or i will search in google
[13:00] <Sbucatone> wiki
[13:00] <Sbucatone> llutz: thanks
[13:00] <llutz> Sbucatone: there are a few more tosh-related packages (toshset, toshutils)
[13:00] <llutz> Sbucatone: maybe they'll help you
[13:01] <Sbucatone> llutz: mm i know that stuff i will re-try to set thank you :)
[13:01] <llutz> i wish you more luck than i had with a Sony vaio-FS laptop :((
[13:02] <Sbucatone> llutz: the bad thing is in feisty they worked in gutsy no xD
[13:02] <llutz> Sbucatone: seems to be a lot of stuff, that worked before gutsy came...
[13:03] <Sbucatone> llutz: xD i hope  hardy  will fix that stuff :)
[13:03] <llutz> me too
[13:12] <Sbucatone> llutz: xD damn i must recompile kernel to enable..toshiba acpi...
[13:12] <Sbucatone> sad
[13:12] <Sbucatone> thing
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[13:14] <llutz> Sbucatone: CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA=m
[13:14] <llutz> CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m
[13:14] <Sbucatone> llutz:well but..in fnfx documentation it said recompile your kernel... what's about the last your sentence ?
[13:15] <llutz> Sbucatone: grep -i toshiba /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic
[13:15] <llutz> Sbucatone: tosh acpi is configured as module in *ubuntu-kernel, so there should be no need to recompile
[13:15] <Sbucatone> llutz: ok i see CONFIG etc
[13:16] <Sbucatone> llutz: ah ok ok with grep i can see that module
[13:16] <llutz> Sbucatone: sudo modprobe toshiba_acpi
[13:16] <Sbucatone> no0tic: ui
[13:16] <Sbucatone> llutz: ..FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device
[13:17] <llutz> Sbucatone: this shows you existing toshiba-related modules " modprobe -l '*tosh*' "
[13:17] <no0tic> Sbucatone, hi
[13:17] <llutz> Sbucatone: sudo modprobe toshiba
[13:17] <Sbucatone> llutz: the same error FATAL: Error inserting toshiba (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/char/toshiba.ko): No such device
[13:18] <llutz> Sbucatone: check "dmesg" for errrors related to toshiba. seems your chipset/acpi-bios isn't supported by this modules :(
[13:18] <Sbucatone> llutz: ok now i understand ..damned phoenix bios
[13:18] <Sbucatone> xD
[13:20] <llutz> Sbucatone: wonder how that worked in feisty...
[13:21] <Sbucatone> llutz: well i was reading documentation...-.- and i found ...phoenix bios are not supported -.-'' ..me tooo, why feisty yes and gutsy no  mah..
[13:21] <Sbucatone> no0tic: are you ? italian no0tic
[13:22] <Sbucatone> llutz: thanks for your support :) i will wait as you  for hardy
[13:22] <llutz> better luck next time :)
[13:55] <Karlo>  Best girls in the world - http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139655440
[14:13] <huseyinkozan>  i want all contents of kdevelop assistant can reachable while i am offline, how can i do it ?
[14:13] <huseyinkozan> i am using ubuntu
[14:24] <Marphine> Good Morning Sunshine(s)! Much love from Neko the AMOR kitty to you all!
[14:30] <Marphine> I'm new to this Kubuntu thing and I think I like it
[14:30] <carl> hello people looking for a frendly mind to help me with some package add removal problem
[14:31] <Marphine> it's not without its share of frustrations though. For example I can'
[14:31] <MarcC> seeking friendly dog lover who likes warm books and long days
[14:31] <MarcC> carl: what can we do for you - just state the question so ppl can answer it
[14:31] <Blizzy> Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today?
[14:32] <Marphine> can't launch the included CD/DVD burning package : K3b. When I try to start it it just gives me the "loading" symbol next to the mouse pointer but then... nothing.
[14:32] <Blizzy> Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today?
[14:32] <MarcC> Marphine: try running from Konsole, see what it says
[14:32] <Marphine> It *does* appear on the <ctrl><esc> task list but nowhere else
[14:33] <carl> i find a program i want to install and then i push the apply changes buttom it says There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.  and then the installation complite pops up
[14:33] <Marphine> Hrm okay MarcC justa sec thx
[14:33] <BluesKaj> !ops | Blizzy
[14:33] <ubotu> Blizzy: ops is Help! Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or jussi01!
[14:33] <Blizzy> Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today?
[14:34] <MarcC> carl, try launching adept from Konsole by typing 'kdesu adept'
[14:34] <MarcC> see if it throws any errors
[14:35] <Marphine> nothing seems to happen. I *don't* get a syntax error... the cursor just drops to the next line the it doesn't give me the standard <username><computername>:~$
[14:36] <Marphine> to attempt to launch it I just typed "k3b" with no switches or anything
[14:36] <MarcC> Marphine: I guess you could try a complete removal/reinstall of K3b...along with its config files
[14:36] <BluesKaj> Marphine, stating the obvious, but have you tried reinstalling K3B ?
[14:36] <carl> command not found
[14:36] <numan> i have some problem with adept updater?
[14:37] <MarcC> carl, did you remove the apostrophes?
[14:37] <numan> adeptupdater!
[14:37] <carl> yes I did
[14:37] <numan> !adeptupdater
[14:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptupdater - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:37] <numan> !adept updater
[14:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept updater - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:37] <MarcC> carl: if it can't find kdesu, that may be sort of a problem
[14:38] <Marphine> Hrm I just installed the OS and it behaves this way. Did the same thing on the last install, I just reinstalled because I was setting up a dual boot system  and it was easier to do it that way than messing with resizing partitions and whatnot
[14:38] <MarcC> carl: try 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[14:38] <numan> it crashed often during update
[14:38] <MarcC> carl: then try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:38] <Marphine> so knowing that it's a clean install would you still reccomend that course of action?
[14:38] <numan> !adept
[14:38] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[14:39] <MarcC> Marphine: why not, something could have gone wrong during the install
[14:39] <Marphine> Okay so I know how to remove and reinstall using Adapt but what about the config files? How do I nuke them>?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Marphine, uninstalling K3B will uninstall the whole kubuntu-desktop
[14:40] <MarcC> Marphine: .kde/share/config/k3brc
[14:40] <carl> and install the package maintainer's versionv?
[14:41] <MarcC> carl: wha?
[14:41] <carl> install the package maintainer's version?
[14:41] <carl> it came up a menu of choises
[14:42] <MarcC> carl: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere?
[14:42] <MarcC> !pastebin
[14:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:43] <carl> etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[14:44] <Marphine> I am unable to locate that path MarcC
[14:45] <MarcC> carl: '/etc/' not 'etc/'
[14:45] <Marphine> I'm looking in my Kubuntu partition for a folder called share or one called kde
[14:45] <flipstar> try $HOME/.kde/share/config/k3brc
[14:45] <MarcC> carl: 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
[14:45] <flipstar> with sudo before ..
[14:46] <flipstar> sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:46] <MarcC> Marphine: .kde is a hidden folder in your home dir
[14:46] <flipstar> oh wait that was wrong
[14:46] <MarcC> surely cat works without sudo?
[14:46] <flipstar> right
[14:46] <flipstar> sudo only if he wants so edit
[14:46] <flipstar> *to
[14:46] <Marphine> it's not in the /home folder
[14:47] <MarcC> Marphine: /home/Marphine/.kde/
[14:47] <Marphine> *oh* hidden
[14:48] <carl> and what did you want it camr of a shit load of thing moastly http addreses and somw licence for open source
[14:48] <MarcC> carl: copy it all and paste it to a pastebin
[14:49] <sluzba> hello
[14:49] <sluzba> please, how i change language of gimp?
[14:50] <Marphine> Located the folder (thanks for the hand holding. Does that mean we're going steady<G>) but the K3brc file is not present. Could the uninstall with Adept have removed it automagically?
[14:51] <MarcC> Marphine: yes, it could
[14:51] <stdin> Marphine: no, it could not
[14:51] <hydrogen> mm
[14:51] <hydrogen> no
[14:51] <hydrogen> it wouldn't
[14:51] <MarcC> Marphine: no, it could not
[14:51] <carl> and how do i do that xD
[14:51] <MarcC> :D
[14:51] <hydrogen> well
[14:51] <MarcC> carl: select with mouse, right-click, copy?
[14:51] <hydrogen> the proper verb is would, not could
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Marphine, actaully synaptic will do a complete removal, better than adept.
[14:51] <carl> im ewith you so far
[14:52] <MarcC> carl: then go to pastebin.ca and...paste, then get us the link
[14:53] <frojnd1> does anyone know, howc an I limit UL/DL speed of torrent file that I'm allready downloading, with torrentflux ?
[14:53] <carl> http://pastebin.ca/887680
[14:54] <Marphine> Okay kewl. I'm about to reinstall but I think that the following item might be noteworthy. I am unable to kill the process I've already removed with adept so I'm going forward with it for the time being. If this fails I can try this Synaptic
[14:55] <MarcC> Marphine: you're talking about killing the k3b process?
[14:55] <Marphine> yes still unable to kill the process... odd
[14:55] <MarcC> Marphine: did you try kill -9?
[14:55] <Marphine> Yeah well wouldn't I want to? I'm using the GUI to kill it... I don't know how to do it from a command line prompt
[14:56] <MarcC> Marphine: you should try htop, makes that really easy
[14:56] <Marphine> I wanna kill it before doing the reinstall
[14:57] <MarcC> carl: are you using a CD in your computer with install files on it? Adept is looking for one because it's listed in your sources.list
[14:57] <MarcC> carl: if not, tell Adept not to use that repository
[14:57] <carl> the drive is empty
[14:57] <MarcC> carl: ok, you need to remove that repository, most likely
[14:58] <carl> and where do i do that?
[14:58] <christian_> hallo @ all!
[14:59] <MarcC> Marphine: can't remember the cmd line way - just sudo apt-get install htop, then find the k3b process with f3, hit f9 twice, then select sigkill :)
[14:59] <Marphine> I tried using "kill <process.id.number>" to no avail and "kill -9 <process.id.no.> also fruitlessly
[14:59] <christian_> wie stelle ich bei den gtk programmen alles auf deutsch. welche pakete sind das??
[14:59] <MarcC> carl: inside adept
[15:00] <Marphine> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[15:00] <Marphine> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:00] <MarcC> Marphine: you have adept running?
[15:00] <MarcC> or synaptic?
[15:00] <Marphine> gaaah
[15:00] <Marphine> I knew that wouldn't work silly me
[15:00] <Marphine> thx
[15:00] <MarcC> christian_: #kubuntu-de
[15:01] <carl> think i found it
[15:03] <Marphine> okay the install worked now ... er what's this utility supposed to accomplish?
[15:03] <MarcC> Marphine: it's a task manager
[15:03] <Marphine> tee hee I must trust you
[15:03] <MarcC> Marphine: start htop, type f3, then type 'k3b'
[15:04] <MarcC> Marphine: with k3b selected, hit F9 then type the number for sigkill on the left
[15:04] <MarcC> or select sigkill anyway
[15:04] <Marphine> okay got it. Not too easy on the eyes... let's see what happend. Would've been easier to restart but wtf I'm learning so this is good
[15:06] <carl> still the same error så either it was the wrong thing I changed or there is another problem :/
[15:07] <MarcC> jep
[15:07] <MarcC> carl: paste sources.list again?
[15:09] <carl> http://pastebin.ca/887688
[15:10] <Marphine> wow that process is hard tyo kill
[15:11] <Marphine> it's like bedbugs
[15:12] <MarcC> carl: now what happens if you do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[15:12] <Marphine> So MarcC do you think it's important to kill it before doing the reinstall?
[15:12] <MarcC> Marphine: no
[15:12] <Marphine> To me it just seems like the best way to proceed but I'm strangely stumped
[15:13] <Marphine> Okay well I'm gonna plop it back in with Adept and see if it'll go
[15:13] <MarcC> I don't see why you'd need to kill it if it's just crashed bits sitting in RAM...but before you run (after reinstall) you might want to kill it
[15:13] <carl> ou might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[15:13] <carl> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:13] <carl>   j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin: Depends: j2re1.4 but it is not installed
[15:13] <carl> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[15:13] <MarcC> carl: "sudo apt-get -f install
[15:13] <MarcC> "
[15:14] <MarcC> j2re1.4?!
[15:14] <MarcC> that's ooollld
[15:14] <MarcC> did you install Java?
[15:14] <carl> yjink so
[15:14] <carl> *think
[15:15] <MarcC> you need to install at least sun java 1.5
[15:15] <carl> it's at the config stage
[15:15] <MarcC> I think 1.6 is available though.
[15:15] <__-osh-__> So, how do I check a HD for defects in Linux? The disk sais it doesn't support smartmontools if I try to use that.
[15:17] <__-osh-__> Hmm, nver mind. I got it to work I think.
[15:17] <Marphine> OSH I would reccoment SPINRITE from grc.com. It doesn't operate from within the OS but exists as a standalone bootable floppy. It's super thorough
[15:18] <__-osh-__> I had to do some --smart=on to enable it, now I think it's running a "long" test.
[15:18] <__-osh-__> I will surely have a look at SPINRITE though. Good tip.
[15:18] <Marphine> It actually inverts and then reinverts every bit on the drive, insuring that the drive can not only be read but written on every sector
[15:19] <Marphine> It took 12 hours to run the most thorough test on spinrite on my 40G drive with a 933P3 machine
[15:20] <__-osh-__> Ouch. 12h. I thought the 20 minutes smartmontools wants to run was too long... ;-)
[15:21] <Marphine> well the 12h was for 80 gig of reading and 80 gig of writing on my 40G drive
[15:22] <Marphine> okay now K3b
[15:22] <Marphine> .....
[15:22] <Marphine> drumroll
[15:22] <Marphine> No dice
[15:22] <Marphine> Aw shux
[15:23] <MarcC> Marphine: I would try to delete the k3brc file then, and try to restart
[15:23] <MarcC> restart k3b that is
[15:23] <Marphine> Grrrrrrr... Okay I gotta go fold laundry but will be back in 6-8 min soliciting advice once again
[15:23] <flipstar> __-osh-__: why dont you try fsck ?
[15:24] <MarcC> fold laundry? get your priorities straight ;)
[15:25] <Marphine> I'm thinking about just sticking to my workaround : I have a 2G win partition a 16G Kubuntu partition and a 20G fat32 data partition. I may just dounload daya with linux and drop it on the data partition and burn with WinBlows... that just seems so ./.... stupid
[15:26] <sluzba> please, how i change language of gimp?
[15:26] <Marphine> Makes me wanna shoot Diacetylmorphone directly into my circulatory system
[15:26] <Marphine> *diacetylmorphIne I mean. i.e. makes me wanna shoot smack
[15:27] <flipstar> sluzba ..what language you want try sudo apt-get install gimp-help-<whatever>
[15:27] <MarcC> sluzba: irc.gimp.org ... #gimp ;)
[15:27] <iltse> hi, could someone help me with the fglrx drivers.
[15:27] <Marphine> Gotta dip for a couple... a few mins for cig and housework. Thanks MarcC for all the assistance rendered thusfar
[15:28] <davou> greetings all.
[15:28] <MarcC> Marphine: np
[15:28] <sluzba> MarcC: i want to change language about all programs of i have.
[15:28] <flipstar> !ati | iltse
[15:28] <ubotu> iltse: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:29] <iltse> ...well that's the point why i'm here. those instructions didn't work.
[15:29] <davou> I've got a strange problem [for anyone whose willing to help]. My setup has a pentium m 1.7, but kubuntu is only registering it as a 1.3 for purposes of throttling.
[15:29] <iltse> even tried to install them with envy
[15:29] <flipstar> what the prob iltse ?
[15:30] <flipstar> any messages ?
[15:30] <iltse> well when i install the drivers and restart x the screen just goes blank and ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't do anything
[15:30] <__-osh-__> flipstar: Right, why don't I try fsck. There must be something wrong with my head today.
[15:30] <flipstar> haha nvm
[15:31] <sluzba> how i change language of my apps?
[15:32] <flipstar> seems like a misconfigured xorg.cong iltse you could try to login into tty1 via ctrg+alt+f1 and type X
[15:32] <davou> sluzba; most apps will have to have support of multiple languages built into them.
[15:32] <flipstar> sluzba: try systemsetting->language
[15:34] <sluzba> i have set my language to czech, but many apps don't accept it
[15:34] <iltse> flipstar at which point should i do that?
[15:34] <flipstar> when the screen leaves blank..
[15:35] <davou> sluzba: Most programs you have are built independantly of each other... If the developers of that particular program didnnt build czech functonality into it, then changing the language of a program that did wont help.
[15:35] <unagi> anyone have some awesome ideas on how i can trouble shoot why kopete is hanging with no error output?
[15:35] <iltse> k. though it seems that it doesn't take any commands at that point but i guess it doesn't hurt to try
[15:36] <flipstar> if anything else failed and you checked everything twice seems like you have to..
[15:36] <davou> sluzba, what program in particular are you trying to use in czech?
[15:36] <carl> Thanks MarcC still not working but you probobly fixed something so thanks for that anyways have to go bye
[15:36] <sluzba> davou: gimp for now.
[15:37] <davou> sluzba, you should go look at their documentation... If they dont have czech language support, then I'm sure they would appreciate you offering to help :)
[15:38] <davou> Does anyone have any idea why I can only throttle my 1.7ghz Pentium m to 1.3 ghz?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> davou ,CPU scaling seems to be broken on gutsy ...I got rid of powernowd , so my pc would run faster.and now it runs at 2Ghz , which is what i prefer.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> BBL , errands...
[15:42] <davou> BluesKaj, Thanks I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something I malconfigured. I suppose I will leave it the way it is because battery life is a big issue for me.
[15:42] <davou> cheers room!
[15:49] <rysiek|pl> guys, how can I disable xinerama in gutsy?
[15:49] <rysiek|pl> it gets enabled by default
[15:56] <sluzba> dabujo: yes, czech language is supported, but i don't know how to switch app to czech
[15:56] <sluzba> dabujo: sorry
[15:57] <sluzba>  czech language is supported for gimp, but i don't know how to switch app to czech
[15:58] <unagi> where do i add another use
[15:58] <unagi> user
[16:00] <flipstar> unagi: systemsetting->user managment or with konsule useradd <user>
[16:03] <d_mitry> when i mount an ntfs partition, i am given the error, "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000". how can i eliminate it?
[16:08] <unagi> anyone have any idea why kopete will hang on one user using kde and work fine on another user running gnome?
[16:10] <flipstar> d_mitry: did you tried to mount as root using sudo ?
[16:11] <d_mitry> flipstar, no, but i've unticked the mount as user option. what would be the command to mount a partition?
[16:11] <flipstar> for e.g. sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/ntfs_drive
[16:12] <d_mitry> ok, two seconds.
[16:12] <tyson_> when i click on folders in konqueror, they open in dolphin, how can i get them to open in konq ?
[16:12] <flipstar> where sda1 is your ntfs partition and ntfs_drive your mountpoint
[16:12] <d_mitry> yep.
[16:12] <flipstar> !dolphin | tyson_
[16:13] <ubotu> tyson_: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[16:13] <tyson_> thanks
[16:14] <d_mitry> flipstar, fuse: failed to access mountpoint /media/disk: No such file or directory
[16:14] <d_mitry> FUSE mount point creation failed
[16:14] <d_mitry> flipstar, dmitry@dmitry-desktop:~$ sudo ntfs-3g /dev/hdc1 /media/disk
[16:14] <d_mitry> does /media/disk have to exist?
[16:14] <tyson_> !how_the_hell_do_i_make_konqueor_start_in_file_management_view_automatically_each_time | tyson_
[16:15] <tyson_> :)
[16:15] <tyson_> ...instead of as a browser
[16:15] <noaXess> i want run some commands over one sh script.. eg stopping a service and start two other service with diffrent config files..
[16:16] <noaXess> if i run those commands normal from command line.. it work.. but not in my sh file...
[16:16] <noaXess> my script begins wir #!/bin/sh and after that follows the other commands..
[16:16] <flipstar> d_mitry: yes you have to create first..
[16:16] <flipstar> mkdir /media/disc
[16:16] <d_mitry> flipstar, ^___^ sorry
[16:16] <__-osh-__> noaXess: pastebin your script and let us have a look at it.
[16:17] <d_mitry> flipstar, mounted. what do you think the problem is when i try mounting with a gui?
[16:17] <flipstar> noaXess: you dont even need that #!/bin/sh ..
[16:17] <__-osh-__> noaXess: do you give the full path to the commands that you want to run? that's one common misstake to omit that.
[16:18] <flipstar> d_mitry: the gui probably didnt used sudo
[16:18] <noaXess> __-osh-__: http://pastebin.ca/887760
[16:18] <d_mitry> flipstar, hm. i unticked the 'mount as user' option. if i understand correctly, it mounts as root instead, so that wouldn't be the reason.
[16:19] <noaXess> __-osh-__: jep allways full path
[16:19] <noaXess> i set the perms to chmod 700 cause i run it with sudo...
[16:20] <flipstar> d_mitry: uhm right you set it in the fstab ?
[16:20] <noaXess> and run the command like: sudp sh ./script
[16:20] <tyson_> anyone know how to make konqueror startup in file manager mode, instead of web browser mode?
[16:20] <d_mitry> flipstar, set what in fstab?
[16:21] <__-osh-__> noaXess: no need to put the extra "sh" in the command line if you put the #!/bin/sh in the script.
[16:21] <__-osh-__> noaXess: What's the error output?
[16:21] <flipstar> d_mitry: that you are able to mount as user
[16:21] <flipstar> tyson_: isnt that the same ?
[16:22] <noaXess> sudo ./stikri.run says: sudo: unable to execute ./stikri.run: No such file or directory
[16:22] <d_mitry> flipstar, well, i haven't dealt with fstab. i unticked that option in dolphin.
[16:22] <noaXess> and sudo sh ./stikri.run means: racoon: failed to parse configuration file. and : No such file or directoryipsec-tools.conf
[16:22] <tyson_> no, there are 2 different view profiles, it always start in web profile, i want the file manager profile on startup
[16:22] <noaXess> __-osh-__: any idea?
[16:23] <tyson_> the last thing i want to see when i do file management is a web page. i want to see my files
[16:23] <noaXess> __-osh-__: need i put sudo in front of the commands too?..
[16:23] <krzychu> hi
[16:23] <__-osh-__> noaXess: noaXess, yeah, check the permissions of the conf-files.
[16:24] <__-osh-__> noaXess: however if the script is run with sudo then I'd think that the commands in there would be sudo'ed too.
[16:24] <flipstar> tyson_: uhm you using ubuntu ?
[16:24] <noaXess> __-osh-__: http://pastebin.ca/887769
[16:24] <tyson_> kubuntu
[16:24] <noaXess> tyson_: whats that?
[16:24] <noaXess> :)
[16:25] <tyson_> :)
[16:25] <flipstar> i can open in one tab a locale dir in antother a web page without changing something
[16:25] <noaXess> tyson_: use the file profile.. :)
[16:25] <noaXess> tyson_: kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
[16:25] <tyson_> noaXess: i do that everytime i start the thing. i am trying to avoid having to do that. i want that profile to start automatically
[16:26] <flipstar> noaXess: do you also have to change something when you want to view a local dir or a web page ?
[16:26] <noaXess> tyson_: i think you need to make a shortcut with above command
[16:26] <tyson_> ok
[16:26] <tyson_> a shortcut, eh?
[16:26] <noaXess> flipstar: i work with d3lphin
[16:26] <noaXess> __-osh-__: ideas?
[16:26] <flipstar> never used konqueror .. ?
[16:27] <noaXess> flipstar: yes.. with filemanager profile
[16:27] <tyson_> noaXess: you da man
[16:27] <__-osh-__> noaXess: try putting an "-x" (no quotes) after /bin/sh in your script. Then run it again.
[16:27] <flipstar> wired i dont need to set up anything
[16:27] <krzychu> how disable "NetworkManager" I want autoconnect after start kubuntu
[16:27] <noaXess> __-osh-__: like this: #!/bin/sh -x
[16:28] <__-osh-__> noaXess: yeah. that'll give a more "verbose" output.
[16:28] <noaXess> __-osh-__: same output
[16:28] <iltse> flipstar: the ctrl+alt+F1 didn't work
[16:29] <noaXess> __-osh-__: and.. the -V is vor verbose :)
[16:29] <flipstar> no screen iltse ?
[16:29] <__-osh-__> noaXess: I think you don't have the access to read the config-files. Change them to 755 or similar and try again.
[16:30] <dazjorz> Hi
[16:30] <dazjorz> I'm currently connected to a wireless network named DaZjorz2
[16:30] <iltse> no nothing. at the point where one should see the login screen it's just a blank screen with everything unresponsive and the only thing to do is to push the power button
[16:30] <dazjorz> next to that, there's a DaZjorz, and a FON_DaZjorz
[16:30] <dazjorz> where the DaZjorz and DaZjorz2 networks are WPA-PSK, secured with the same key
[16:30] <__-osh-__> noaXess: Well, -x does print the commands before executing them so that you can follow the script a bit more.
[16:30] <dazjorz> and FON_DaZjorz is open
[16:30] <noaXess> __-osh-__: allways same problem :(
[16:30] <dazjorz> I'd like to connect to FON_DaZjorz, but when I run sudo iwconfig ath0 essid FON_DaZjorz, it tries to associate for a second, and then switches back to DaZjorz2
[16:31] <dazjorz> is there any way to stop it from reconnecting to another network?
[16:31] <noaXess> __-osh-__: if i run the commands normaly over command line.. they worked
[16:32] <noaXess> __-osh-__: if this hels.. if i put an empty line in my sh script then: : not foundn: 2:
[16:32] <__-osh-__> noaXess: if you copy that script, line by line, it works? You're sure of that.
[16:32] <flipstar> iltse: without gathering further information about whats going wrong its difficult to help..
[16:33] <noaXess> __-osh-__: i need to put sudo i front and they worked
[16:33] <flipstar> that tty1 thing really would help
[16:33] <noaXess> strange thins happends..
[16:33]  * dazjorz retries connecting, because of a lack of answers
[16:33] <__-osh-__> noaXess: what's the error if you don't put sudo  in front. which line will it fail on?
[16:34] <noaXess> __-osh-__: you mena in front f my script or int front of the raccon or setkey commands?
[16:34] <noaXess> __-osh-__: in front of my script: racoon: must be root to invoke this program.
[16:34] <__-osh-__> noaXess: I mean if you copy the lines from the script, one by one, into a terminal. where does it fail?
[16:35] <__-osh-__> noaXess: and with what error message.
[16:35] <noaXess> __-osh-__: and start-stop-daemon will only work with sudo right.
[16:35] <noaXess> __-osh-__: /sbin/start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 24202: Operation not permitted
[16:35] <__-osh-__> noaXess: so line2 in the script will fail if you don't put sudo in front?
[16:36] <iltse> flipstar: should the ctrl+alt+F1 work when i see the loading bar?
[16:36] <dazjorz> Could somebody look at http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=2140 please? It automatically reconnects and I don't know why
[16:36] <noaXess> __-osh-__: jep.. caus it needs root rights.. ist the start-stop-daemon.. same as /etc/init.d/....
[16:37] <__-osh-__> noaXess: is racoon running right now? I can see why you can't stop it without root, but could you start it?
[16:37] <noaXess> __-osh-__: and last.. with setkey: setkey: /etc/racoon/stikri.ipsec-tools.conf: Permission denied
[16:37] <flipstar> iltse: no...if you see that something else is wrong maybe tty2 works.. ctrg+alt+f2
[16:37] <dazjorz> somebody?
[16:37] <noaXess> __-osh-__: no raccon needs root right to start/stop/restart.. you know what it is?
[16:37] <__-osh-__> noaXess: so line 3 produces no error?
[16:37] <noaXess> its for ipsec, vpn tunnels..
[16:37] <noaXess> ????
[16:38] <__-osh-__> noaXess: ah.
[16:38] <iltse> so basically the ctrl+alt+Fx will start to work at the point where one is supposed to login? at that point i can't get anything through.
[16:39] <__-osh-__>  noaXess: I have to leave. Dinnertime then excersise run. If it works with sudo in front when you run it from terminal, then put sudo in front in the script too. It's butt ugly but will probably work. Got to go. Someone else can probably help you better.
[16:40] <flipstar> iltse: no this will let you login into an virtual text console
[16:40] <dazjorz> Anybody? :/
[16:40] <noaXess> __-osh-__: have tried it with sudo in front of the commands no changes
[16:40] <noaXess> __-osh-__: nice dinner..
[16:41] <flipstar> is you sure the path is right ?
[16:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[16:45] <MasterShrek> is kde4 nice? i have yet to use it
[16:45] <SlimeyPete> MasterShrek: some like it, others find it too immature (it's not finished yet)
[16:46] <SlimeyPete> I'm in the latter category, personally
[16:46] <MasterShrek> yea im aware its not finished, my friend installed it on his machine, he says its pretty :)
[16:46] <MasterShrek> when u install it on kubuntu though, you get a different X session for it right? so u can still use kde 3.xx
[16:47] <SlimeyPete> it is quite pretty, though I'm not a big fan of the default theme. It has lots of graphical glitches atm though, some of which are very annoying.
[16:47] <MasterShrek> correct?
[16:47] <MasterShrek> ic
[16:47] <SlimeyPete> yes, you can select 3.5 or 4 when you log in.
[16:47] <MasterShrek> k, thats what i though
[16:47] <SlimeyPete> though some of the kde4 apps (eg konqueror) start opening when you click on files in KDE3
[16:47] <MasterShrek> cool, ill probably install kubuntu 7.10 this afternoon...just re-partitioned my laptop :)
[16:47] <MasterShrek> i can deal with that
[16:47] <MilhousePunkRock> How would I get my two monitors act as two desktops?
[16:48] <MilhousePunkRock> I have basic functionality of TwinView / Xinerama working via the nvidia-settings, but it's not exactly how I imagined it to be. For instance, the MacOS-like menu bar on top of the screen is "stretched" across both screens and therefor on the small screen which I wanted to use as a supplementary.
[16:48] <MasterShrek> ill probably just run kde4 most of the time anyways
[16:48] <SlimeyPete> !kde4 | MasterShrek
[16:48] <ubotu> MasterShrek: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[16:48] <SlimeyPete> ^^ for info.
[16:48] <MasterShrek> ah thanks SlimeyPete was not aware there was a kubuntu-kde4 chan
[16:49] <flipstar> theres nearly a chan for everything^^
[16:50] <MasterShrek> i spose
[16:54] <sluzba> please how i make gimp czech?
[16:55] <gene> Help! reboot after last update, screen locked at 640x480 even in admin mode, can run 1600x1200.  Howto fix please...
[16:55] <MilhousePunkRock> sluzba: It's probably an additional language pack
[16:55] <SlimeyPete> !resolution
[16:55] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[16:59] <maxo> hi. I'm using kubuntu 7.10 and I have installed KDE4. However, whenever kwin starts, a message about glx appears and then X server restarts. Any ideas how to fix this problem?
[17:00] <MasterShrek> maxo, kde3 runs fine though?
[17:00] <maxo> MasterShrek: yes, no problems whatsoever
[17:00] <SlimeyPete> maxo: best to ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[17:02] <maxo> MasterShrek, SlimeyPete: ok, but do you have any idea how I could resolve the problem?
[17:03] <SlimeyPete> maxo: first place to start is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:03] <MasterShrek> maxo, well we need more of a specific error code, yes check that log, pastebin it if you want to
[17:05] <maxo> SlimeyPete, MasterShrek: ok, I have pastebinned it: http://pastebin.com/d679bff5e
[17:06] <MasterShrek> maxo, youll have to repaste it, right after trying to load kde4 so the log will be updated with that error log
[17:06] <MasterShrek> i think...
[17:07] <maxo> MasterShrek: ok, I'll open a new X session and (hopefully) it won't somehow crash this one
[17:08] <MasterShrek> it prolly will heh
[17:09] <maxo> MasterShrek: ok, that's seriously weird, now it's stopped crashing! and it started kwin
[17:09] <maxo> yet I didn't even change anything
[17:09]  * MasterShrek pats himself on the back
[17:09] <MasterShrek> lol
[17:09] <MasterShrek> heh
[17:09] <MasterShrek> well if you ever have it happen again, save a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log    and pastebin it for us
[17:10] <maxo> MasterShrek: ok, thanks for your help :-)
[17:10] <maxo> bye
[17:10] <MasterShrek> l8r
[17:13] <venik> How do I find more icons for some applications that have only the default "Gear"?
[17:13] <venik> or create my own?
[17:13] <sluzba> MilhousePunkRock: where i must choose additional language pack? i am not find any language packages.
[17:14] <MilhousePunkRock> sluzba: Let me check, hang on
[17:14] <flipstar> venik: there are a lot of default system icons
[17:15] <venik> I am sure there are, but WHERE?
[17:15] <flipstar> just right-click on that program and then choose set up and click on that gear
[17:15] <venik> I want an icon for FLOCK, but it seems to ocme only with the GEAR
[17:16] <flipstar> then you might google for flock.ico and choose it under else symbols
[17:16] <MilhousePunkRock> sluzba: I did not find a language pack either, maybe your locale is not configured correctly?
[17:17] <MilhousePunkRock> sluzba: Is anything else on your system in the language?
[17:27] <sluzba> MilhousePunkRock: i have configured locale to cs_CZ.ISO-8859-2
[17:27] <jussi01> !cz | sluzba you may want to ask here:
[17:27] <ubotu> sluzba you may want to ask here:: České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[17:28] <sigma_1234> does anyone use kolab here?
[17:29] <gene_h> Back, this time from the house machine.  That web page link for screen resolution fixes hosed the X, so I'm curently ssh'd into it and running adept for another update.
[17:29] <sluzba> join ubuntu-cz
[17:30] <xxBasYxx> Hi i have new Ageia PhysX card, is there any chance to work with my Kubuntu 64.bit? i can't find anything helpfull and Ageia has no support for Linux:(
[17:30] <sluzba> thanks, i will check it
[17:30] <reivilo78> hi
[17:30] <gene_h> Fortunately, that didn't want to update the kenel which is frozen due to rtai and emc being that machines regular job.
[17:30] <reivilo78> how comes when i press ctrl+f1 i cant see the terminal
[17:30] <reivilo78> alt+ctrl+f1 i mean
[17:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Dudes!  new KDE4 alpha kubuntu!!!  Digg it!  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Hardy_Heron_Alpha_4_Released
[17:31]  * jussi01 coughs
[17:31] <gene_h> I've had it with the bit rot of the nv driver.  Is there a repo I can enable that will get me the nvidia drivers for  GForce-2-5200 card?
[17:31] <__-osh-__> nothing on the kubuntu site yet though.
[17:32] <MilhousePunkRock> gene_h: That should be nvidia-glx
[17:32] <jussi01> gene_h: you may need to enable multiverse iirc
[17:32] <gene_h> In the adept listings?
[17:32] <jussi01> !ati | gene_h
[17:32] <ubotu> gene_h: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[17:36] <sigma_1234> why has hardy alpha 4 not been released yet?
[17:37] <Elite1> is it possible to give my account more rights, im kinda tired of having to type sudo, and all typing my password all the time, and message boxes about not having enough rights
[17:37] <genii> reivilo78: Try using alt key on left side of keyboard
[17:37] <sigma_1234> after you type it once it should remember it
[17:38] <BluesKaj> sigma_1234, according to some reports it was supposed to be released yesterday , but there's absolutely no mention of it on kubuntu.org
[17:39] <Elite1> and dolphin is retarded and i cant even mount my other partions because my acount doesnt have priveleges
[17:39] <jussi01> Elite1: it is possible yes, However we dont recomend or support it.
[17:39] <jussi01> !sudo | Elite1
[17:39] <ubotu> Elite1: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[17:40] <Elite1> i know what it is, i just want my account to be equal to the root acount, if i mess up my installation ill just reinstall
[17:40] <jussi01> Elite1: there is no root account.
[17:40] <jussi01> !root
[17:40]  * jussi01 waits....
[17:41] <jussi01> !root
[17:41] <Elite1> well then how can i get more priveleges, you just said it was possible
[17:41] <sigma_1234> can wubi be used with kubuntu as well?
[17:41] <ol_dude67> oh great now you killed the bot.
[17:41] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[17:42] <jussi01> nah, its just slow
[17:42] <pag> Elite1, man sudoers  ;)
[17:43] <Elite1> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[17:44] <Elite1> so how do i mount my other drive huh? it still doesnt work if i 'sudo dolphin'!
[17:44] <gene_h> Ok, did a full update, and installed the nvidia-glx-legacy because its a GForce2-5200 card.  The reboot is still stuck on the kubuntu screen just before x starts
[17:44] <jussi01> Elite1: permanently?
[17:45] <gene_h> apparently
[17:45] <jussi01> !fstab | Elite1
[17:45] <ubotu> Elite1: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[17:45] <gene_h> Let me get back into it from here & see what I might be able to do by rermote control
[17:48] <gene_h> Correction, its a GForce FX-5200 (NV34) card, is this still the legacy driver?
[17:48] <jimmy51_home> can I use software downloaded in *rpm format?
[17:48] <unagi> does kde focus on hover by default
[17:48] <unagi> yes jimmy51_home
[17:49] <unagi> !info alien
[17:49] <XBehave> jimmy51_home: you need to use alien, but yes its better to look for a deb tho
[17:49] <jpatrick> !rpm | jimmy51_home
[17:49] <XBehave> unagi: by default yes
[17:49] <unagi> XBehave: how do i turn it off
[17:49] <ubotu> alien (source: alien): install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.68 (gutsy), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[17:49] <ubotu> jimmy51_home: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[17:49] <XBehave> erm actually im not sure i know konqueror selects by hover but im not sure what window focus does by default
[17:50] <LordOfThePigs> Hey! Where does the sun-java6-doc package install the javadocs. I can't find the install directory
[17:50] <unagi> XBehave: is there a way to change the alt + tab order in kde.........meaning not going to the next window but starting in the hierarchy
[17:50] <LordOfThePigs> Actually, I don't really know where documentation is stored in general...
[17:50] <jimmy51_home> XBehave, jpatrick:  i'd like to use the ubuntu pptp client, but it doesn't work (known bug, but not targeted for 7.10).  I found one for redhat to try
[17:51] <jussi01> jimmy51_home: I would suggest build from source rather than use an rpm
[17:51] <burne1> anyone use vmware in kubuntu?  i'm curious if it autostarts and does everything that I expect it to do in ubuntu
[17:52] <sub[t]rnl> LordOfThePigs➜ usr/share/doc/sun-java6-doc/
[17:52] <XBehave> to change konqueror behavior i think its under kde settings , to change focus i think you go through change window behavior, im not sure there are a few options for alt+tab under keboard shortcuts but im not sure
[17:52] <d_mitry> how to specify a shortcut to change the keyboard layout?
[17:52] <jussi01> !shortcuts | d_mitry
[17:52] <ubotu> d_mitry: keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[17:52] <XBehave> sorry to disagree but usig rom will take about 5 minutes if you dont know how to compile try that before compiling if you do know then its better to compile
[17:52] <d_mitry> jussi01, thanks. i'll try that.
[17:52] <XBehave> *rpm
[17:52] <jussi01> :)
[17:53] <jimmy51_home> jussi01: i sure don't know how to do that :(  (jimmy = about a month and a half of linux experience)
[17:53] <XBehave> how can i get latex into kword or OO
[17:53] <LordOfThePigs> sub[t]rnl: I see, do all the install packages create a folder in /usr/share/doc using the exact package name?
[17:53] <jussi01> XBehave: it will take you more thatn the time to learn how to compile to fix your broken system if the alien rpm does bad stuff...
[17:53] <LordOfThePigs> i was actually looking in /usr/share/doc, but for something like "java"... so I didn't find it
[17:53] <sub[t]rnl> LordOfThePigs➜ the majority do
[17:54] <jussi01> !compile > jimmy51_home
[17:54] <LordOfThePigs> sub[t]rnl: Thanks, it's a good thing to know :)
[17:54] <XBehave> alien doesnt do bad stuff as you can always unselect unless something really freaky happens
[17:54] <jussi01> XBehave: also, compiling is a very good thing to learn.
[17:54] <XBehave> not for a standard user
[17:55] <XBehave> i dont have any compiled software running on my system and ive been using ubuntu for a couple of years, alien is much more usefull i once had to compile when alien failed but i rarely use that software anyway
[17:57] <jussi01> !rpm | XBehave
[17:57] <ubotu> XBehave: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[17:57] <XBehave> compiled packages are also not supported it can be more dangerous
[17:58] <XBehave> i can get stuff out of a maths program in mathML or latex how can i get into an OO document or kword?
[17:58] <gene_h> Ok, did a full update, and installed the nvidia-glx-legacy because its a GForce2-5200 card.  The reboot is still stuck on the kubuntu screen just before x starts
[17:58] <gene_h> Correction, its a GForce FX-5200 (NV34) card, is this still the legacy driver?
[18:02] <steven_> anyone tried the new ATI Catalyst 8.1 driver? I'm having stability issues when using it.
[18:02] <oto> hi all a y have frist install kubuntu its is vervi gut!
[18:02] <gene_h> To rrecap, screen stuck at 640x480, did update, installed nvidia-glx-legacy, xorg.conf looks ok, no x.  Whats next, nvidia's own drivers?  Build-essentials is installed.
[18:03] <jpatrick> gene_h: tried: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[18:04] <unagi> can anyone help me figure out why kubuntu wont let em unmount my external drive
[18:04] <gene_h> This is a 6.06 LTS install and must run emc, jpatrick yes
[18:04] <jpatrick> gene_h: that should allow you to reconfigure xorg for the right resolutions
[18:04] <R_Rios> unagi, what error comes?
[18:05] <jpatrick> unagi: sudo umount /dev/sdXX it?
[18:05] <gene_h> I'll try again. unagi, none, local screen has the blue kubuntu and blue bar, running at vga stds, fuggly.
[18:06] <unagi> R_Rios:  jpatrick http://pastebin.org/17770
[18:06] <bittin> Hi
[18:07] <bittin> whats the problem in this xorg.conf
[18:07] <bittin> http://yaroze.se/upload/xorg.conf
[18:08] <jpatrick> bittin: what does startx give?
[18:08] <bittin> (EE) Problem parsing the config file
[18:08] <bittin> error parsing the config file no screens found
[18:08] <R_Rios> unagi, try doing this following commands:
[18:08] <R_Rios> sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1
[18:09] <R_Rios> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
[18:09] <jpatrick> bittin: prehaps line 88
[18:09] <bittin> XIO: Fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X srver :0.0 afer 0 requests (0 known processed with 0 events remaining)
[18:09] <mefisto__> I have adobe flashplayer waiting to be updated. is this version working? should I go ahead with the update?
[18:09] <jpatrick> bittin: and if that doesn't work: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[18:10] <R_Rios> mefisto__, yes, it's working
[18:10] <BluesKaj> bittin, perhaps setting up a "custom monitor" in xorg.config such as using the drivers for your particular monitor rather than the generic default
[18:12] <R_Rios> unagi?
[18:19] <unagi> ok i dont get it
[18:19] <unagi> i make the dir External-1 and it mounts as External-2
[18:20] <unagi> i remove both External folders and it mounts as External............in any case it says the Dir doesnt exist when i unmount
[18:21] <flipstar> if you removed the folder what did you specified on umount..?
[18:21] <unagi> i didnt
[18:21] <unagi> im trying to unmount it grpahically
[18:24] <mefisto__> flashplugin-nonfree should be version 9,0,115,0 when installed, correct?
[18:25] <llutz> !flash
[18:25] <unagi> ??
[18:25] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash - The Flash package is currently BROKEN, see « /msg ubotu FlashIssues »
[18:25] <amathebest> as
[18:26] <mefisto__> it's still broken? or the latest update is working?
[18:26] <genii> Still broken
[18:27] <genii> (when I tested it 6 hours ago anyhow)
[18:27] <unagi> my lord i have never had so many problems mounting/unmount a drive than i have with kubuntu
[18:27] <mefisto__> I tried to update it, and it refused to install. I guess that's good
[18:29] <gene> ok, back on the shop box, nv driver at 1024x768, still way low for this card & monitor
[18:30] <gene> a startx ca't find the nvidia driver, but nvidia-glx-legacy is installed.  What else do i need?
[18:31] <FunnyLookinHat> Digg it!  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Hardy_Heron_Alpha_4_Released
[18:31] <X9nLinuxX> I did a reinstall of Dapper on an old iMac yesterday.  Went into system settings -> Login Manager -> Admin mode | ... to make some modifications and it put up the password screen as expected... entered password and it popped up a window saying 'Conversation with su failed'...
[18:32] <X9nLinuxX> Q1: What does this mean?  Q2: How do I fix it?
[18:32] <unagi> can someone help me figure this out http://pastebin.org/17770
[18:34] <unagi> =/
[18:34] <unagi> !mount
[18:34] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[18:34] <unagi> where do you define where to automatically mount a drive
[18:35] <flipstar> FunnyLookinHat: youre a spammer
[18:35] <genii> !fstab
[18:35] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[18:36] <genii> unagi: Usually in /etc/fstab options
[18:36] <unagi> thats what i thought too
[18:36] <unagi> but i dont have an entry in fstab for this drive
[18:36] <unagi> kubuntu doesnt have something else?
[18:36] <Ayabara> My kubuntu laptop almost killed my hearing just now.. I selected front mic as master channel (by mistake), and when I increased volume I got a horrible beeping sound. Feedback maybe?
[18:37] <unagi> Ayabara: that sounds like an easy problem to troubleshoot..
[18:37] <flipstar> unagi: than add one ..
[18:37] <unagi> when i add one it doesnt mount
[18:37] <mefisto__> Ayabara: front mic is an input channel. you don't want that as master channel
[18:37] <ESL|Doomy> hi all
[18:37] <Ayabara> mefisto__: I know. I wanted to set Front, but selected the wrong one by mistake.
[18:38] <sui> hi
[18:38] <ESL|Doomy> does anyone know how to recognize LCD display by Kubuntu ?
[18:38] <Ayabara> little did I know that it almost was the last thing I ever did ;-)
[18:38] <unagi> do you need more info flipstar
[18:38] <flipstar> unagi: if you added correct it will be mounted on systemboot
[18:38] <unagi> its an external drive
[18:39] <unagi> when i add the entry it doesnt mount
[18:39] <unagi> when i take it out it mounts
[18:39] <unagi> but when i unmount it i get an error
[18:39] <Ayabara> how do I select which channels kmix shows me? all of a sudden pcm has disappeared..
[18:40] <llutz> Ayabara: openmixer, right-click -> channels
[18:40] <flipstar> unagi: maybe you did something wrong in the fstab .. ?
[18:40] <Ayabara> llutz: hmm. pcm isn't a choice there either
[18:41] <unagi> i doubt it...........i copied the entry from another ntfs drive
[18:41] <flipstar> but you adapt it .. ?
[18:42] <unagi> adapt it?
[18:43] <vma> hi
[18:44] <flipstar> .. costumize unagi
[18:45] <unagi> i dont understand
[18:45] <flipstar> modifiy
[18:45] <flipstar> *modify
[18:45] <unagi> modify it for what
[18:45] <MilitantPotato> Does CUPS 1.3.2 print the color wheel with a bright white bar in the middle of each color except white?
[18:45] <flipstar> for the external drive ..
[18:46] <unagi> other than modifying the drive to mount what else would i modify
[18:46] <flipstar> no the fstab entry
[18:46] <unagi> what am i suppose to modify
[18:47] <unagi> theres a breakdown in communication here
[18:47] <flipstar> you said you just copied the fstab entry from another drive..so im asking if you costumized it for the external drive
[18:47] <flipstar> aight im sry im busy here with other things
[18:47] <unagi> other than the mount point is there something else i am suppose to customize?
[18:48] <flipstar> the /dev entry or uuid
[18:48] <AMcBain> Hi, I have a bug in Dolphin I would like to see if someone can reproduce for me. The problem is that the bug only exhibits itself when the program is run via icon. We tried via GBD, and it doesn't happen. http://irc.konfabulator.pastebin.com/d6910ee03
[18:48] <unagi> ok lemme back up
[18:48] <unagi> yes i changed the entry for the drive
[18:49] <AMcBain> The steps here will cause Dolphin to Seg. Fault.
[18:49] <AMcBain> and afaik, seg faults are very bad.
[18:49] <unagi> and when the entry is there the drive doesnt mount, when i remove it it mounts
[18:49] <Xcell> Who here is using asus?
[18:49] <MilitantPotato> Asus Mobo?
[18:49] <Xcell> ya
[18:49] <mefisto__> I am
[18:50] <Xcell> I am fixing to put together a (M2V-MX se
[18:50] <MilitantPotato> I am also
[18:50] <Xcell> will it work ok?
[18:51] <MilitantPotato> In linux?
[18:51] <Xcell> ya
[18:51] <Xcell> i have 2 fully loaded crives 1=ubuntu and 2 kubuntu
[18:51] <Xcell> drives\
[18:52] <flipstar> unagi: could you just post your fstab on pastebin ?
[18:53] <lassizci> which packages do I need to install in kubuntu 7.04 to acces lvm2 volumes? (I'm a redhat user so a noob with *ubuntu)
[18:54] <unagi> http://pastebin.org/17776
[18:54] <flipstar> !find lvm | lassizci
[18:54] <ubotu> lassizci: Found: clvm, lvm2, autopkgtest-xenlvm, llvm, llvm-cfe (and 3 others)
[18:55] <MilitantPotato> Xcell: Looks like it works in linux fine, if it does use the VIA vt8237a chipset like google said
[18:56] <enry> hi
[18:56] <flipstar> unagi: so how is you external drive called ?
[18:56] <MilitantPotato> Xcell: Although Someone had a problem with software raid, but I didn't look any further into it
[18:56] <Xcell> nice, i was worried about via, but now im excited, thanks
[18:56] <unagi> that was my first question flipstar
[18:56] <Xcell> im using ide
[18:56] <unagi> er i think thats ur question
[18:56] <flipstar> uhm try sudo fdisk -l
[18:56] <unagi> if my drive isnt in fstab how is it mounted
[18:56] <unagi> the external is sdb1 or /media/External
[18:56] <Xcell> thanks MilitantPotato.
[18:57] <Xcell> be back in 2 hrs.
[18:57] <flipstar> there actually is no entry for that ..
[18:57] <unagi> i know
[18:57] <unagi> thats what i said
[18:57] <unagi> there is no entry for my external drive in fstab
[18:58] <mefisto__> unagi: does the directory /media/External exist?
[18:59] <unagi> if it does the drive mounts on /media/External-1
[18:59] <flipstar> maybe becourse /media/External is locked..?
[18:59] <unagi> what do you mean locked
[19:00] <unagi> even if it doesnt exist it mounts on /media/External
[19:00] <unagi> regardless i get the same error
[19:00] <flipstar> maybe it is unaccessable
[19:00] <unagi> its accessable
[19:03] <unagi> no more ideas?
[19:03] <mefisto__> unagi: type "cd /media/External" and see if it actually exists. If not, create the directory. Then change fstab to reflect which disk you want to mount at /media/External
[19:03] <unagi> if i create the directory it mounts as -1
[19:03] <mefisto__> so it doesn't exist?
[19:04] <flipstar> what tool do you use for mounting ?
[19:04] <MilitantPotato> unagi: what file system?
[19:04] <unagi> when i add an entry in fstab the drive doesnt mount
[19:04] <unagi> ntfs
[19:04] <MilitantPotato> unagi: two secs
[19:04] <unagi> well technically ntfs-3g
[19:04] <unagi> but my other two ntfs drives list as ntfs
[19:04] <flipstar> thats the driver ;)
[19:04] <unagi> i understand
[19:04] <unagi> what im trying to say is
[19:04] <flipstar> what tool do you use for mounting ?
[19:04] <unagi> that kde lists the filesystem as ntfs-3g
[19:04] <unagi> i dont use a tool
[19:04] <unagi> i plug it in
[19:04] <MilitantPotato> unagi:  sudo mkdir /media/sdb1
[19:05] <MilitantPotato> /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ntfs-3g noauto,users,noquota,rw,exec,sync,nosuid,nodev,umask=007,gid=1000,uid=1000,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[19:05] <MilitantPotato> add that to /etc/fstab
[19:06] <MilitantPotato> change gid=1000 and uid=1000 to whatever your ID is
[19:06] <unagi> doesnt mount
[19:06] <MilitantPotato> did ya add that?
[19:06] <unagi> yes
[19:06] <MilitantPotato> type sudo mount /dev/sdb1
[19:06] <unagi> i think we are getting lost on what the issue is
[19:06] <unagi> i can manually mount it
[19:06] <unagi> when the fstab isnt listed
[19:07] <unagi> it mounts when i plug it in
[19:07] <unagi> when the fstab entry is there it wont mount
[19:07] <MilitantPotato> have you enabled writing to external drives with NTFS-Config
[19:07] <unagi> the issue is when i unmount i get the error http://pastebin.org/17770
[19:07] <MilitantPotato> Does it say permission Denied?
[19:07] <unagi> no
[19:08] <flipstar> unagi: did you tried that new fstab entry from MilitantPotato ?
[19:08] <unagi> yes
[19:08] <unagi> it doesnt mount
[19:08] <flipstar> uhm
[19:08] <MilitantPotato> Una
[19:08] <MilitantPotato> With it in the Fstab
[19:08] <MilitantPotato> right click the drive in system:media
[19:08] <MilitantPotato> and go to props
[19:08] <MilitantPotato> if under the mounting tab "Mount as user" is checked, uncheck it.
[19:09] <unagi> it is uncheckked
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> run sudo ntfs-config
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> err
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> wai
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> t
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> kdesudo ntfs-config
[19:11] <unagi> ok wait
[19:11] <unagi> i added the entry
[19:11] <unagi> tried to remount, said user doesnt have write permissions.......
[19:11] <unagi> mounted it manually and now the mount tab is greyed out
[19:12] <MilitantPotato> did you change the UID and GID to match yours?
[19:13] <unagi> how do i find my uid and gid
[19:14] <MilitantPotato> id -u username
[19:14] <MilitantPotato>  id -g username
[19:14] <MilitantPotato> Did you leave that entry in FSTAB?
[19:14] <unagi> theyre both 1000
[19:14] <unagi> yes
[19:14] <unagi> currently the entry is in fstab and the drive was manually mounted
[19:14] <lassizci> my kubuntu has some pretty strange dependencies.. mdadm requires courier-mta :o
[19:15] <MilitantPotato>   chown root.ntfsuser $(which ntfs-3g)
[19:15] <unagi> literally that?
[19:15] <MilitantPotato> replace ntfsuser with your username
[19:15] <MilitantPotato> wait
[19:16] <MilitantPotato> wait :)
[19:16] <unagi> waiting
[19:17] <MilitantPotato> yea
[19:17] <MilitantPotato> use your username
[19:17] <MilitantPotato> If you have other users on your PC you want to let mount/unmount create a group called ntfsusers
[19:17] <MilitantPotato> chown root.ntfsuser $(which ntfs-3g)
[19:17] <unagi> now what
[19:18] <MilitantPotato> chmod 4750 $(which ntfs-3g)
[19:18] <unagi> ok this is getting way too involved
[19:18] <unagi> and im getting different errors
[19:18] <MilitantPotato> yea
[19:18] <unagi> i guess im going to put everything back and deal with the stupid error when i unmount
[19:18] <MilitantPotato> now do sudo chown user:group /media/sdb1
[19:18] <MilitantPotato> nah
[19:19] <MilitantPotato> do that command
[19:19] <MilitantPotato> replace user and group
[19:19] <MilitantPotato> with yours
[19:20] <unagi> this is quite a stupid errir
[19:20] <unagi> error
[19:20] <MilitantPotato> what is it?
[19:20] <MilitantPotato> I got 3 different while I did earch bit
[19:20] <unagi> http://pastebin.org/17770
[19:20] <unagi> thats with the entry NOT in fstab
[19:21] <tashiro_> Wats the best torrent client for Kde?
[19:21] <MilitantPotato> what's it say with it in it?
[19:21] <MilitantPotato> I use Ktorrent tashiro_
[19:21] <unagi> it doesnt mounth
[19:21] <jpatrick> !best | tashiro_
[19:21] <ubotu> tashiro_: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you really insist on getting people's opinions, join #ubuntu-bots and ask there.
[19:21] <unagi> mont
[19:21] <unagi> omg
[19:21] <unagi> it doesnt mount
[19:22] <MilitantPotato> unagi: what error?
[19:22] <gavinreid> !adept > gavinreid
[19:22] <tashiro_> Thanx dude
[19:22] <flipstar> tashiro_: i prefer ktorrent
[19:22] <MilitantPotato> kdesudo kate /etc/fuse.conf
[19:22] <MilitantPotato> unagi: run that
[19:23] <MilitantPotato> unagi: uncomment (remove the #) from user_allow_other
[19:23] <flipstar> tashiro_: but it is the only one i tried ..
[19:23] <unagi> saved
[19:23] <MilitantPotato> Ktorrent supports PeerGuardian blocklists, which is nice.
[19:23] <unagi> now what
[19:23] <MilitantPotato> try mounting.
[19:23] <MilitantPotato> from konq
[19:23] <flipstar> and decryption and vht ..
[19:24] <unagi> ok it  mounts
[19:24] <unagi> unmounting gives me the error
[19:24] <MilitantPotato> what error?
[19:25] <unagi> http://pastebin.org/17770
[19:25] <MilitantPotato> sudo umount -a
[19:25] <MilitantPotato> then try again
[19:25] <flipstar> -a ???
[19:25] <MilitantPotato> all
[19:25] <flipstar> i know
[19:25] <unagi> i dont want to unmount all
[19:26] <MilitantPotato> ok, try sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[19:26] <unagi> not mounted
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> sudo umount /media/External-1
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> sudo rm /media/External-1
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> careful with that.
[19:27] <unagi> not found
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> ok
[19:27] <tashiro_> Ktorrent works like magic thanx buddy
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> Did it unmount?
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> Ah
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> Right click the drive
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> Go to the mounting tab
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> make it /media/sdb1
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> you probably made it /media/External-1
[19:28] <unagi> no i made it /media/External
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> So it tries to unmount it from there
[19:28] <unagi> which is what i want it to be
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> ok
[19:28] <unagi> and if i change it to sdb1
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> That's easily fixed
[19:28] <unagi> it will give me the same error
[19:28] <unagi> except for sdb1
[19:29] <MilitantPotato> you tried it after we changed all that stuff?
[19:29] <unagi> yes
[19:29] <unagi> if it does ti for external
[19:29] <unagi> it will do it for any of them
[19:29] <unagi> anything i put in there
[19:29] <MilitantPotato> What programs are using it?
[19:29] <unagi> none
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> sudo mkdir /media/External-1
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> sudo chown user:name /media/External-1
[19:30] <unagi> then it mounts as External-2
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> odd.
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> try unplugging it?
[19:30] <mefisto__> unagi: what directory are you currently in?
[19:30] <unagi> i have
[19:30] <unagi> every time
[19:30] <unagi> in what mefisto__
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> Also, is enable writing to external devices checked in ntfs-config
[19:31] <unagi> i can write copy paste read everything
[19:31] <MilitantPotato> Konq or dolph I'd guess mefisto__
[19:31] <unagi> all im trying to do is stop that error
[19:31] <unagi> whatever the desktop is
[19:31] <MilitantPotato> No folders are open on that drive?
[19:31] <unagi> no
[19:31] <unagi> i plug it in it mounts i unmount it i get the error
[19:31] <unagi> it unmounts anyway
[19:31] <unagi> i just want the error to stop
[19:31] <mefisto__> unagi: is konqueror or dolphin, or a console, using that directory?
[19:31] <unagi> no
[19:31] <MilitantPotato> did you add anything to .hal-mtab
[19:32] <unagi> i dont know
[19:32] <unagi> i doubt it
[19:32] <unagi> i uninstalled and reinstalld hal
[19:32] <MilitantPotato> kdesudo kate /media/.hal-mtab
[19:32] <unagi> anything to do with hal
[19:32] <MilitantPotato> wow
[19:32] <MilitantPotato> crazy move :)
[19:32] <unagi> well that is what ubuntuforums called to do
[19:33] <unagi> /dev/sdb1	1000	0	ntfs	noexec,nosuid,nodev,umask=222,utf8,exec	/media/Documents
[19:33] <unagi> /dev/sdb1	1000	0	ntfs-3g	nosuid,nodev,utf8	/media/External
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> did you change that thing I told you to add to /media/External
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> ah
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> you messed it all up ;)
[19:33] <unagi> i didnt do it
[19:33] <unagi> ive never heard of .hal-mtab
[19:33] <unagi> nor have i ever edited it
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> /dev/sdc3 /media/External ntfs-3g noauto,users,noquota,rw,exec,sync,nosuid,nodev,umask=007,gid=1000,uid=1000,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[19:33] <unagi> but i am curious if i changed ntfs-3g to ntfs it will probably work
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> err
[19:34] <MilitantPotato> /dev/sdb1 /media/External ntfs-3g noauto,users,noquota,rw,exec,sync,nosuid,nodev,umask=007,gid=1000,uid=1000,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[19:34] <MilitantPotato> use that
[19:34] <MilitantPotato> then sudo mkdir /media/External
[19:34] <smeril> how can i get sound to work on youtube when i do soundtest its working
[19:34] <MilitantPotato> sudo chown user:group /media/external
[19:34] <unagi> omg i dont understand!
[19:35] <MilitantPotato> sudo chown user:group /media/External
[19:35] <unagi> what group
[19:35] <MilitantPotato> unagi: ususally username:username
[19:35] <flipstar> group=username
[19:35] <flipstar> aight
[19:36] <KevinM> has anyone here had a problem with md5sum failing when installing on one machine but not failing on another machine?
[19:36] <unagi> yay for new errors!
[19:36] <flipstar> KevinM: try to change the default server
[19:36] <MilitantPotato> http://pastebin.org/17777
[19:36] <MilitantPotato> What error?
[19:36] <flipstar> KevinM: if this happens to every package
[19:36] <unagi> scratch that
[19:36] <unagi> same error
[19:36] <MilitantPotato> That's how my NTFS's are setup.
[19:36] <unagi> now what
[19:37] <unagi> but adding anything to fstab the drive wont mount
[19:37] <KevinM> oh, sorry, I mean when installing kubuntu (or ubuntu as well) I'm trying to install the 64bit version on a intel core 2 duo 6600
[19:38] <MilitantPotato> Did you do the chown user:user /media/External
[19:38] <MilitantPotato> caps matter.
[19:38] <KevinM> but the md5sums for theinstaller files all check out on other machines. Just not this one.
[19:38] <flipstar> KevinM: so you have an md5 error on one machine and no error at a similar machine during install..?
[19:39] <smeril> how cn i get sound to work
[19:39] <KevinM> you got, flipstar
[19:39] <unagi> yes i did
[19:39] <KevinM> *it
[19:39] <flipstar> the other machine also have 64bit..?
[19:39] <KevinM> yeah.
[19:39] <MilitantPotato> I gotta run, got an appointment
[19:39] <unagi> sigh
[19:39] <unagi> ttyl
[19:40] <MilitantPotato> sorry man
[19:40] <unagi> its cool
[19:40] <unagi> theres a few problems im having with kubuntu that makes it hard to like it over gnome
[19:40] <flipstar> KevinM: this happend once or more than once ?
[19:41] <KevinM> I know the iso file downloaded and burned correctly, so something is happening during the install's md5sum checks
[19:41] <unagi> how do i find out if my cpu is 64 bit capable
[19:41] <MilitantPotato> KevinM: bad RAM or HD?
[19:41] <mefisto__> unagi: maybe try a restart after all those changes? perhaps those errors will not reoccur and you can forget about them
[19:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> unagi: what processor do you have?
[19:41] <KevinM> I was able to install fedora core 8 no prob
[19:41] <flipstar> KevinM: this happend once or more than once ?
[19:42] <flipstar> if once it could be your hardware ..
[19:42] <KevinM> I've burned three different CDs trying it out. No success.
[19:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> KevinM: did you do an md5 check on the iso after you downloaded it?
[19:42] <flipstar> error at the same package ?
[19:42] <KevinM> yeah. checked the iso, the proceeded to check the packages reported "corrupt" they all checked out and matched the included md5sum lists
[19:43] <KevinM> So I know that data corruption during download or burn is not the problem
[19:44] <KevinM> I haven't tried the 32-bit version yet
[19:44] <flipstar> does the error accour at the same package ?
[19:45] <KevinM> it occurs at the first package, so the install stops and doesn't bother to check any additional packages
[19:45] <KevinM> so I guess this isn't ringing any bells for anyone reading
[19:45] <sfears> how do i figure out what the /dev of my usb thumb drive is so i can mount it?
[19:46] <KevinM> sfears: try fdisk -l
[19:46] <flipstar> sudo fdisk -l sfears
[19:46] <KevinM> that's an "ell"
[19:46] <sfears> that only lists hard disks
[19:46] <flipstar> lsusb
[19:46] <KevinM> try "tail /var/log/messages" right after you connect it
[19:46] <flipstar> or use lsusb
[19:47] <sfears> it's plugged in but lsusb doesn't show anything..
[19:47] <mefisto__> I've been having a problem with video aspect ratio in players that use xine. It's always too narrow, but only in kubuntu. When I log in to an xfce session, aspect is OK. If I log in to kde after xfce, aspect is OK. But logging into kde first, it's always wrong (too narrow)
[19:48] <sfears> so messages shows scsi2.. is it mount /dev/scsi2 /directory?
[19:48] <sigma_1234> whats the correct way to search for files in konqueror?
[19:48] <sfears> says scsi2 doesn't exist
[19:48] <flipstar> probably /dev/sdd
[19:49] <sfears> doesn't exist flipstar
[19:49] <flipstar> sigma_1234: ctrg+f
[19:49] <flipstar> then try that log at /var/log/messages
[19:50] <hele> mefisto: I have same problem with my 4:3 crt. Problem came with gutsy. 16:10 tft working fine.
[19:51] <mefisto__> hele: for me it started about a week ago, I've had gutsy installed about a month
[19:52] <flipstar> did you changed some video drivers or something ?
[19:52] <sigma_1234> flipstar: yeah i know that but when i type something in it never finds anything even when the files exist
[19:52] <KevinM> sfears: you can try tail /var/log/messages | grep "removable"
[19:52] <flipstar> <-- sfears hat den Server verlassen (Remote closed the connection).
[19:53] <sigma_1234> flipstar: is there a special syntax that must be used?
[19:53] <flipstar> no ..
[19:53] <flipstar> maybe you put something in the tab 'content'..?
[19:55] <unagi> Daisuke i have core 2 duo 1.6ghz
[19:55] <unagi> laptop
[19:55] <unagi> i forget the cpu model number though
[19:55] <unagi> intel  makes it hard to remember
[19:56] <sigma_1234> someone told me to put something before the word i was searching for and it worked. not too sure what it was though
[19:56] <mefisto__> sigma_1234: the search filter thing in the toolbar makes it easy
[19:57] <flipstar> unagi: the core 2 duo series have 64bit support
[19:58] <phoenixz> I have a presentation that I used in an introductionary course to Linux.. Im thinking about releasing it to the public, but what license would it have to be if it were to be "open source" ?
[19:58] <sigma_1234> the toolbar only searches the face of the directory you are in
[19:58] <sigma_1234> creative commons licence
[19:59] <hele> mefisto_: I think that there have been some update wich suppouse that everyone have 16:10 monitor. Xorg.conf have to some aspect ratio setting but those did'nt work with xine. I solve problem using mplayer.
[19:59] <flipstar> !gpl | phoenixz
[19:59] <sigma_1234> or the gnu license
[19:59] <ubotu> phoenixz: gpl is the GNU General Public License. See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[19:59] <mefisto__> sigma_1234: you might want to try installing searchmonkey to find files
[19:59] <sigma_1234> !info searchmonkey
[19:59] <ubotu> searchmonkey (source: searchmonkey): search files using regular expressions aiming to replace find/grep tools. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-4 (gutsy), package size 228 kB, installed size 524 kB
[20:00] <unagi> interesting.........
[20:02] <hele> mefisto: I think that i read somewhere that xine should read aspect ratio settings from xorg.conf...
[20:03] <phoenixz> flipstar, gpl could also be used for a presentation then?
[20:06] <flipstar> normally gpl is used for software..im not sure
[20:08] <bittin> Hi
[20:08] <bittin> what do i need to get a real player stream to work?
[20:08] <flipstar> !real
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[20:10] <bittin> diden't work
[20:10] <flipstar> phoenixz: i just checked it..yes you can http://www.oekonux.de/texte/meilenstein/paper.html#FDL
[20:11] <flipstar> try real player for linux
[20:11] <bittin> have tryied that
[20:11] <bittin> and mPlayer
[20:11] <phoenixz> flipstar, sweeet! I will first have to convince my bosses that I should release it openly, but with this at least I can investigate it a bit
[20:11] <phoenixz> flipstar, realplayer for linux is like poison with your hotdog.. you can try it but I would not really recommend it..
[20:12] <flipstar> bittin: real player doesnt work for real player streams ?
[20:12] <calamari> is there a channel for Hardy?
[20:12] <flipstar> !hardy
[20:12] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:12] <calamari> thanks!
[20:12] <bittin> flipstar: nah :(
[20:12] <flipstar> any errors ?
[20:12] <bittin> http://static.pici.se/pictures/OLAItwDuZ.png
[20:13] <unagi> ok so theoretically
[20:13] <Pici> I hope that site doesnt become too popupar.  Keeps setting off my hilights.
[20:13] <unagi> 64 runs more efficiently?
[20:14] <bittin> tried for hours and hours to get it to work
[20:14] <KevinM> unagi: just has a larger address space and an enhanced ISA. I wouldn't call x86_64 more efficient, just more
[20:14] <unagi> just more what
[20:14] <KevinM> haha... exactly
[20:14] <KevinM> just more
[20:15] <unagi> then why do they bother writing programs for 64
[20:15] <KevinM> larger address space can be useful sometimes, plus some instructions work better on a 64bit architecture (float calcs, etc)
[20:16] <flipstar> thats the thing programs in 64bit are faster but not all programms support 64bit
[20:16] <KevinM> AFAIK
[20:16] <unagi> i know but maya does
[20:16] <unagi> so programs like maya probably works better on 64?
[20:16] <flipstar> right
[20:16] <KevinM> yep. As good or better.
[20:16] <unagi> well heck
[20:17] <unagi> all of a sudden i  have need to reformat
[20:17] <flipstar> but..other programs may not work as long as you dont chroot an 32bit environment ..
[20:17] <unagi> ewwwwwwwww
[20:17] <unagi> is that nice and involved?
[20:17] <sigma16> where would i go to get help on setting up a mail server...
[20:17] <KevinM> yep, and you need 32bit compatibility libraries to build some apps from source
[20:17] <flipstar> there are a few known..like codecs and...i forgot
[20:18] <tyson_> how do i take ownership of a file currently owned by root?
[20:18] <unagi> ok ok ok..........lets try this...........if i were to make another partition jsut for 64 kubuntu, can i customize it to run just maya and a select few other things i needm inimalistically?
[20:18] <Odd-rationale> I created a folder I called /home/Share which I plan to use for sharing files across users. My question is who should I make the owner of this folder? me or root? Thanks!
[20:19] <KevinM> sudo chown OWNER FILE
[20:19] <unagi> actually if i was going to do that i might as well install a whole new flavor of linux
[20:19] <flipstar> Odd-rationale: you can set to allow other users to access
[20:19] <unagi> rpm based
[20:19] <flipstar> anyway
[20:20] <tyson_> thanks mate
[20:20] <bittin> iam getting it to work but not directly in the browser
[20:20] <unagi> i wonder what flavor best works with maya
[20:20] <flipstar> bittin: there was a thing called helix-player maybe you'll try this
[20:21] <flipstar> or vlc..
[20:21] <mefisto__> bittin: is it supposed to work embedded in the browser?
[20:21] <flipstar> but with vlc im not sure
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> flipstar: I opened dolphin as root, right-clicked the folder and changed all the Access Permissions to "Can View & Madify Content" I was just wondering who would be best the Owner of the folder. Or does it not matter?
[20:21] <bittin> yepp
[20:21] <bittin> i have tryied helix-player, mplayer and realplayer now
[20:21] <flipstar> i dont think i would Odd-rationale
[20:22] <Odd-rationale> flipstar: OK Because last time I messed with file permissions I ended up not being able to log on. :(
[20:22] <genii> Odd-rationale: Better to make a group called something unimaginative like Share then add whoever's allowed into the group. Then change the goup ownership to that group and permissions 755 or such
[20:22] <kreib> I get operation not permitted trying to chown a file when using sudo. What's up with that?
[20:22] <bittin> can try vlc also
[20:22] <unagi> anyone know anything about maya?
[20:23] <bittin> diden't work in vlc
[20:23] <Odd-rationale> genii: OK. I don't know much about file permissions. I'll see if I can figure out how to do that.
[20:23] <genii> unagi: I know there is a Unix version. A Linux version  I don't know. Best to email someone at their information desk or similar
[20:23] <unagi> i know i run it
[20:23] <unagi> im wondering what is the best flavor of linux to run it
[20:23] <mefisto__> bittin: which browser?
[20:23] <genii> unagi: Unix <> Linux
[20:24] <unagi> what?
[20:24] <bittin> mefisto__: Firefox
[20:24] <genii> unagi: A Unix version will not necessarily run on Linux. They are not the same thing
[20:24] <flipstar> bittin: the screenshot you made just showed that real player was not found
[20:24] <unagi> ok
[20:24] <bittin> yea
[20:24] <bittin> what more u wan't to know
[20:24] <flipstar> maybe youll have to link that in the firefox plugin dir
[20:24] <unagi> im running maya, on linux
[20:24] <bittin> its in the /home
[20:24] <unagi> there is a linux version of maya
[20:24] <bittin> true
[20:25] <bittin> where is the FF plugin dir?
[20:25] <bittin> was a while i was using linux
[20:25] <genii> unagi: Good then :) You should ask the people at Maya which linux their software prefers best.
[20:26] <unagi> they take too long to answer
[20:26] <flipstar> bittin: $HOME/.mozilla/plugins
[20:26] <Odd-rationale> genii: I'm creating a new group through the KDE system settings. What should the group ID be? the default is 1002. Is that OK?
[20:26] <unagi> i wonder if its possible to have maya run as an OS
[20:26] <genii> Odd-rationale: Yeah, thats fine
[20:26] <flipstar> yes it is Odd-rationale
[20:26] <unagi> thatd be awesome
[20:26] <flipstar> unagi: isn maya a 3d software..?
[20:26] <flipstar> +t
[20:26] <unagi> yes
[20:27] <flipstar> uhm how youll have to run it as an os?
[20:27] <KevinM> unagi: unless maya is built to use 64 bit extensions you won't see any difference between 32 and 64 bit
[20:28] <bittin> but now helix started it :P
[20:28] <unagi> wow ok this is cute
[20:28] <bittin> but don't works
[20:28] <unagi> i accidently turned my backlight off how do i get it back on
[20:28] <bittin> Connection to server could not be established. You may be experiencing network problems. (rtsp://qstream-rm.qbrick.com/00928/auto30/080131carin.rm)
[20:28] <Odd-rationale> genii: Now for the ownership of the /home/Share folder, should I make the User = Share and the Group = Share?
[20:29] <flipstar> bittin: try another link..
[20:29] <genii> Odd-rationale: User does not matter. The imortant thing is group to be Share
[20:29] <unagi> wow this is annoying!
[20:29] <Odd-rationale> genii: OK thanks so much!
[20:29] <unagi> how do i get my backlight back on
[20:29] <bittin> flipstar: can't be problem with the site its swedens biggest TV-network
[20:30] <unagi> is it suppose to stay off when u move the slider down?
[20:30] <genii> Odd-rationale: No problem. Don't forget to add users who will be allowed access to that folder into the new group called Share
[20:30] <flipstar> right bittin the stream works..i just tested with mplayer
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> genii: Yes, thanks!
[20:30] <KevinM> unagi: I think the 64 bit version of Maya has to be bought seperately from the 32 bit version
[20:30] <genii> Odd-rationale: Also, to make the read/write/execute permissions of the folder something like 755
[20:30] <unagi> KevinM: i have both versions
[20:31] <unagi> can someone help me reinstate my backlight please
[20:31] <unagi> is there a command for it?
[20:31] <bittin> flipstar: it work on some streams :P
[20:32] <Odd-rationale> genii: sudo chmod -R 755 /home/Share ?
[20:32] <genii> Odd-rationale: Exactly, yes :)
[20:32] <unagi> is it that no one knows or there isnt a command for it
[20:33] <KevinM> unagi: how did it get turned off?
[20:33] <unagi> i slid the slider down
[20:35] <unagi> KevinM: i slid the slider down
[20:35] <maracutaia> whats up
[20:35] <genii> unagi: Backlight is usually hardware controlled.
[20:35] <genii> bah
[20:36] <Odd-rationale> genii: Ok, going to log out to test. Thanks so much!
[20:39] <KevinM> unagi: maybe a hard reset, but otherwise, no idea. sorry
[20:39] <KevinM> wait, sorry, wrong term. not a real "hard" reset. Just something that completely powers off the laptop
[20:40] <TimS> !divx
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[20:44] <sigma16> can i get help with postfix setup
[20:48] <unagi> sigh
[20:48] <unagi> that was silly to have to restart X to get the backlight back
[20:49] <bittin> somone knows how i can get my w-lan to work?
[20:49] <flipstar> !wlan
[20:49] <flipstar> !lag
[20:49] <flipstar> !botsnack
[20:49] <Flare183> !botabuse | flipstar
[20:50] <flipstar> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:50] <ubotu> You have lag, I don't have lag
[20:50] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[20:50] <ubotu> flipstar: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[20:51] <flipstar> i just tried to feed him ..
[20:51] <anton__> =(
[20:51] <anton__> Anyone know how to fix a clock on the desktop? Like not in the taskbar
[20:51] <flipstar> maybe he ran out of energy ..
[20:52] <flipstar> anton__: try buici-clock
[20:52] <anton__> cheers
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> genii: Thanks for the help. I was able to log back in again. :) My problem is that if user guest creates a file /home/Share he becomes the owner of the file and other users can't edit that file. Is there a way to make all files created in /home/Share to belong to Group Share? Thanks again!
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> * guest creates a file *in* /home/Share
[20:56] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: http://www.ss64.com/bash/umask.html
[20:58] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: Better page here. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html
[20:58] <Odd-rationale> __-osh-__: Reading....
[20:59] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: does kind of what you need. it doesn't change the owner though. From what I can remember the creator of the file will be the owner unless changed later.
[20:59]  * __-osh-__ is away again.
[21:01] <flipstar> is there an easy way to create an random number in a specific range ?
[21:01] <Odd-rationale> Will umask affect every file the user creates or just the file in a specific folder e.g. /home/Share ?
[21:01] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: also have a look at pam_umask which might do what you ask. I just glanced it and it does look promising.
[21:02] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: All from what I gather.
[21:03] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: You could go the ugly way and put a cronjob that will recursivly change the GID of all files in /home/Share/ naturally...
[21:03] <jetsaredim> how in sync are the kde4 packages with trunk?
[21:04] <Odd-rationale> Hmm. No thanks. :)
[21:05] <Odd-rationale> __-osh-__: did you catch my previous konversation with genii, or would you like me to explain what I did so far?
[21:05] <anton__> right so i got the clock
[21:05] <anton__> and i installed it using synaptic
[21:06] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: Not much point as I'm leaving the keyboard for a beer in about 3 min. Just thought I'd give some pointers in case they were useful.
[21:06] <anton__> But now it looks really bad
[21:06] <anton__> and i want another skin
[21:06] <anton__> how to fix?
[21:06] <Odd-rationale> __-osh-__: OK. Thanks anyways.
[21:06] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: good luck. =)
[21:06] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[21:08] <anton__> where can i find buici clock settings?
[21:09] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: if you could get your users to use the command chgrp then perhaps all files created by those users would belong to the group that they'd changed to. Have a look at it.
[21:09] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: if the permissions then were to let gorup members edit files you'd be home free.
[21:10] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: Somehow I don't quite get what your'e trying to do. if you need your users to edit files then you could have overwrite-issues. Perhaps you should look at SVN or something like that instead?
[21:11] <anton__> so.. anyone in here that have buici clock at all?
[21:11] <__-osh-__> anton__: no.
[21:11] <anton__> =(
[21:11] <jetsaredim> how in sync are the kde4 packages with trunk?  There seems to be some new plasma changes allowing the panel to be more configured and it would be nice to get a hold of them.
[21:11]  * __-osh-__ is enjoying a beer instead. Have fun guys.
[21:12] <anton__> k cya osh =)
[21:12] <Odd-rationale> __-osh-__: Thanks for your suggestions! Have fun.
[21:12] <Odd-rationale> __-osh-__: BTW was your beer "free"?
[21:14] <unagi> oh wow
[21:14] <unagi> omg i am so angry
[21:14] <unagi> if i have a file open and i restart x is it still open somewhere
[21:17] <smeril> is there a comand for installing mpg support?
[21:18] <Flare183> !codec | smeril
[21:18] <ubotu> smeril: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:20] <Xcell> ok! im just started (MV2-MX SE) asus mobo, with via graphics, when in (sys settings) which do i pick?
[21:20] <Xcell> to get out of vessa
[21:21] <Bizzeh> hey
[21:22] <Bizzeh> is there a way to make kubuntu to NOT install grub to the mbr, and install it to the boot partition instead
[21:23] <unagi> why does kde alt+tab in such a weird way
[21:24] <alesan> unagi: that's what I ask to myself since almost ten years
[21:24] <vma> weird way?
[21:25] <alesan> it would be very cool if alt+tab was working in a meaningful way
[21:25] <alesan> I'd use it a lot
[21:27] <mefisto__> what's wrong with alt-tab?
[21:27] <genii>  Bizzeh: If you install grub to a partition instead of an entire drive it overwrites the partition information.
[21:28] <frojnd> Does UTP kable rolled into circles effect in anyway file transfeer ? magnetic fiels or smth ?
[21:28] <genii> Bizzeh: So short answer is: Yes, you can install to the boot partition but it renders your partition useless
[21:28] <unagi> wow alesan does that mean theres no fix for it?
[21:29] <alesan> unagi: I've never found a way to make it correct
[21:29] <unagi> wow that is UBER annoying
[21:29] <mefisto__> what?
[21:29] <unagi> think its changed in ked 4?
[21:29] <alesan> no idea
[21:29] <unagi> the alt + tab behavior in kde mefisto__
[21:29] <alesan> mefisto__: basically
[21:29] <alesan> if you press alt tsab you get random windows
[21:29] <Xcell> Xcell: ok! im just started (MV2-MX SE) asus mobo, with via graphics, when in (sys settings) which do i pick?
[21:29] <Xcell> Xcell: to get out of vessa
[21:29] <alesan> not the last one you used
[21:29] <unagi> basically you should be able to alt + tab between 2 windows even if you have 20 open
[21:30] <unagi> or arrange your window z depth by just alt + tab
[21:30] <mefisto__> random windows? not on my kde
[21:30] <unagi> not random
[21:30] <unagi> in order
[21:30] <mefisto__> that's what it does
[21:30] <unagi> i dont want it to
[21:30] <unagi> i want it to be gnome/windows like
[21:30] <unagi> it makes more sense
[21:31] <mefisto__> what do you want? random instead of cycling?
[21:31] <unagi> not 'random'
[21:31] <anton__> Anyone got a tip for a nice kde addon?
[21:31] <alesan> mefisto__: the first window on alt+tab should be the last window you used
[21:31] <unagi> a b c d...........a is visible...........alt tab once..........the order is now b a c d............b is visible...............alt tab twice...............c b a d..............c is visible
[21:31] <unagi> it makes so much more sense that way
[21:32] <mefisto__> alesan: that's exactly what it does here
[21:32] <unagi> ?
[21:32] <unagi> brb
[21:33] <alesan> mefisto__: it has NEVER done that in every KDE installation I tried in the past, almost 10 years
[21:33] <unagi> the actual title is 'walk through applications'
[21:34] <mefisto__> maybe you have the taskbar in panel settings sorted alphabetically or something?
[21:34] <alesan> mefisto__: which settings have you changed for that?
[21:34] <unagi> they arent sorted alphabetically
[21:34] <unagi> what would it have to do with the taskbar
[21:34] <alesan> no, I don't think so. I never touch those options :)
[21:35] <alesan> indeed, the taskbar I think has no importance here...
[21:35] <vma> i've got the same behavior here :o
[21:35] <unagi> which one vma
[21:36] <mefisto__> right-click the panel>configure panel>taskbar. maybe try switching of alphabetical sorting and grouping similar tasks
[21:36] <vma> the right one
[21:36] <val0> SlimeyPete: you around?
[21:36] <alesan> vma: how did you do that?
[21:37] <DFlame> folks, just a quickie.......
[21:37] <vma> it's like that since kubuntu is on my computer :o
[21:37] <DFlame> i hit ctrl-alt-esc to get the kill cursor
[21:37] <DFlame> i missed >.>
[21:37] <DFlame> the desktop too the hit
[21:37] <DFlame> *took
[21:38] <david__> howdy - > akgregator or liferea
 basically you should be able to alt + tab between 2 windows even if you have 20 open
[21:39] <SSJ_GZ> doh
[21:40] <SSJ_GZ> Anyway, you can accomplish this by unchecking the inappropriately named "Show Window List When Switching Windows"
[21:41] <vma> DFlame: you want your desktop back?
[21:42] <DFlame> please :)
[21:43] <vma> mh, how about writing kdesktop on konsole?
[21:43] <DFlame> Cheers, I'll remember to watch where i point that next time xD
[21:44] <vma> :P
[22:00] <Steven_M> hi all
[22:00] <flipstar> !howdy
[22:00] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[22:01] <enry> good night!
[22:05] <Steven_M> hi flipstar
[22:07] <matthew_> How can I install nvidia drivers on fiesty fawn?
[22:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> odd...  the installer from a windows program restarted x.
[22:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> not a posisbility i'm fond of
[22:12] <Bizzeh> no, wine choked on something... and crashed x
[22:15] <unagi_> ok so whos the guy that said his alt tab was doing the right thing?
[22:15] <unagi_> because i wanna know how to do it =/
[22:15] <mez> !nvidia | matthew_
[22:15] <ubotu> matthew_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> twice :\
[22:16] <SSJ_GZ>  basically you should be able to alt + tab between 2 windows even if you have 20 open
[22:16] <SSJ_GZ> [21:40] <SSJ_GZ> Anyway, you can accomplish this by unchecking the inappropriately named "Show Window List When Switching Windows"
[22:17] <Steven_M> my uncle has installed a new firewire card, will kubuntu detect it automaically
[22:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> that depends, is it on the supported hardware list?  (but overall, given ubuntu's track record, yes, it should probably be detected.  but who uses firewire anyway?)
[22:19] <Steven_M> Daisuke_Laptop: my uncle hehe
[22:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> sometimes i have 3d acceleration on here, sometimes i don't.
[22:21] <Steven_M> Daisuke_Laptop: can you give me a link to the suported hardware list?
[22:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> who makes it?
[22:23] <mefisto__> how can I change the resolution of the login screen? It's not the same res as after login
[22:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareIdentification
[22:26] <Steven_M> Daisuke_Laptop: thanks :)
[22:26] <unagi_> anyone know how to change the alt+tab behavior
[22:28] <vma> dunno, sorry :
[22:28] <unagi_> vma so you can alt tab between 2 windows even if you have 5 open?
[22:28] <vma> yep
[22:28] <unagi_> what version of kde do you have
[22:28] <SSJ_GZ> unagi_: Did you see my post above?
[22:29] <mefisto__> unagi_: system settings>window behaviour. Then right-click "what's this" to get an explanation of what the options do
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> it works by default
[22:29] <vma> uhm
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> alt+ tab goes from here to my xterm
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> alt + tab again goes back here.
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> there are a few other apps open as well
[22:29] <unagi_> ok........whatever the term for alt+tab is for switching through application
[22:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> huh?
[22:30] <unagi_> task switching i guess is the term for it
[22:30] <mefisto__> unagi_: you want alt-tab to just cycle current and last-used window, right?
[22:30] <unagi_> well kind of
[22:30] <unagi_> i shuold be able to re arrange the heirarchy with just alt+tab based on if i hold down alt or not
[22:30] <unagi_> like with windows or gnome
[22:32] <mefisto__> well, that's what it has always done for me. check system settings> window behaviour, and see if "show window list while switching windows" is ticked
[22:32] <vma> version is 3.5.8 :o
[22:33] <unagi_> that helps
[22:33] <unagi_> is ther a way to change the way the list looks?
[22:35] <unagi_> kde is getting more bearable ;)
[22:35] <vma> heh
[22:35] <unagi_> what
[22:35] <mefisto__> unagi_: so it was off and you turned it on?
[22:35] <unagi_> yea
[22:36] <unagi_> =)
[22:36] <unagi_> im so happy now
[22:36] <vma> congrats
[22:36]  * SSJ_GZ sighs
[22:36] <unagi_> thank you
[22:36] <mefisto__> :)
[22:36] <unagi_> now on to my other annoyances
[22:36] <unagi_> =)
[22:36] <vma>  <SSJ_GZ> [21:40] <SSJ_GZ> Anyway, you can accomplish this by unchecking the inappropriately named "Show Window List When Switching Windows"  <? :P
[22:37] <unagi_> kopete hangs on start with no error.............and i get an error when i unmount my external..........it still unmounts its just annyoing
[22:37] <vinolencia> howdy all, i'm having an issue with VLC not playing all of a burnt DVD (and other media progras like xine and kaffeine do not even open the DVD); anyone have anyt thoughs?
[22:37] <unagi_> i didnt see these messages
[22:38] <unagi_> is there a way to change the lok of the list
[22:39] <vma> dunno
[22:41] <d|abolic> Hello
[22:41] <d|abolic> anyone avaliable to provide me with a little bit of support?
[22:41] <mefisto__> unagi_: change it how?
[22:42] <unagi_> just the look........just icons would be nice
[22:42] <unagi_> and arranged horizontally
[22:45] <unagi_> kopete hangs on start with no error.............and i get an error when i unmount my external..........it still unmounts its just annyoing, and ideas?
[23:02] <puhhnah> why i cannot launch firefox from bin file like i can in windows from exe, i use kde4
[23:05] <woddf2> Hello
[23:05] <kiirtee> you must give this file executable right
[23:05] <woddf2> How do I upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy?
[23:06] <SlimeyPete> !gutsy
[23:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - New Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[23:06] <woddf2> Thanks
[23:06] <woddf2> Goodbye
[23:14] <Xcell> using a (M2V-MX SE) board with via graphics, how do I get off vessa?
[23:14] <Xcell> which drivers work?
[23:20] <Xcell> hello?
[23:21] <Xcell> typical
[23:21] <danielkubuntu> hi
[23:23] <unagi_> can someone explain to me how to find the bash command for a program i just installed from repos when the name i used to dl it doesnt run it
[23:25] <shinda> hey guys was wondering, I'm using media tomb and wanted to have it startup as daemon when I boot, I tried putting a bash script link to run it on load in my /etc/init.d folder
[23:26] <shinda> but it doesn't seem to load, so I'm guessing I'm missing something here, if anyone could help it be great
[23:28] <mefisto__> unagi_: "apt-cache search packagename" might give you a clue. what did you install?
[23:28] <Xcell>  using a (M2V-MX SE) board with via graphics, how do I get off vessa?
[23:28] <unagi_> imagemagick
[23:29] <ol_dude67> shinda, it might help if you pastebin the file you are trying to use? so someone may look at it.
[23:30] <shinda> !pastebin
[23:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:31] <mefisto__> unagi_: that confused me too when I first installed it. it's not a single program. try "info imagemagick" for an explanation
[23:31] <unagi_> well that makes more sense
[23:31] <Dr_willis> Xcell,  if thats a nvidia card check the !nvidia factoid to see what one of the nvidia drivers its to be using.  glx, glx-legacy, or the newer.  i guess..  That card dosent sound famuler to me at all.
[23:31] <unagi_> so im learning that imagemagick doesnt support .iff
[23:32] <unagi_> is there any program that supports .iff to .jpg or .png or .iff sequences to .avi .mpg
[23:32] <shinda> ol_dude67: np - the file I made in my /etc/init.d is - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54397/
[23:33] <Dr_willis> .iff ? you mean the old amiga animation format?
[23:34] <Dr_willis> iff to png ive seen done I think with the  imagemagik tools.  Not sure if gimp can load those or not
[23:34] <val0> SlimeyPete: if you are around and want to know the end to the story let me know :D
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> val0: go on then
[23:35] <Dr_willis> !info netpbm
[23:35] <ubotu> netpbm (source: netpbm-free): Graphics conversion tools. In component main, is optional. Version 2:10.0-11 (gutsy), package size 1165 kB, installed size 4108 kB
[23:35] <val0> SlimeyPete: remember the story from last night i was telling you around with the c/c #'s
[23:37] <flipstar> anyone know how to create a random number in a specific range ?
[23:37] <FaiDillinGer> anyone knows how i get the ctrl+alt+del shortcut to bring out the task manager ??
[23:38] <flipstar> FaiDillinGer: you can set it in kmenu
[23:38] <flipstar> just go to ksysguard and edit it there
[23:38] <SlimeyPete> val0: yep
[23:38] <FaiDillinGer> flipstar: ok thanks, i just found out  its ctrl + esc
[23:38] <shinda> sorry ol_dude spam filters blocking my messages; but the command i've pasted loads fine when I run it in my konsole.
[23:40] <val0> well, i finally got a hold of the cops today and they have contacted visa and m/c and they are launching investigations and such... the only shame is that nobody could do anything during the night, and had to wait till morning for the fraud dept. to open. It's nice to know that people can steal your data and you can't do anything untill somebody on the other end wakes up
[23:42] <tashiro_> any tips on how to make Ktorrent download faster?.....im totaly clueless
[23:43] <flipstar> enable vht
[23:44] <tashiro_> How do i do that ? :)
[23:45] <FaiDillinGer> dht ?
[23:45] <flipstar> in settings
[23:45] <flipstar> in my translation its vht ...
[23:45] <FaiDillinGer> ok
[23:45] <mefisto__> and port forwarding, which ktorrent can do for you
[23:46] <mefisto__> I think it's called upnp plugin
[23:47] <Dr_willis> upnp in ktorrent works good for me here.
[23:47] <tashiro_> Thanx a lot :-}
[23:49] <mefisto__> windows users could use kubuntu livecd to set port forwarding with ktorrent too, I suppose
[23:51] <iceman_> what is the command to format a drive. I need to formatt my usb
[23:53] <Dr_willis> iceman_,  mkfs.WHATEVERFSYOUWANT
[23:53] <Dr_willis> with a sudo of course added in front
[23:53] <iceman_> k
[23:54] <unagi_> anyone know much about mencoder?
[23:55] <FaiDillinGer> hi
[23:55] <NickPresta> hi FaiDillinGer
[23:56] <flipstar> what do want to know about that unagi_ ?
[23:56] <FaiDillinGer> hi NickPresta
[23:56] <unagi_> or at least how the heck do you search a man page
[23:56] <flipstar> man mencoder ;)
[23:56] <unagi_> im looking at it
[23:56] <FaiDillinGer> does anyone know how can i make the window key pop up the kmenu ??
[23:56] <unagi_> do i really have to go through each line to find what i need
[23:56] <NickPresta> unagi_, `man mencoder`. To search for specific terms, type: "/TERM" To go to the next found word, press n.
[23:57] <flipstar> could user man mencoder |grep <whatever>
[23:57] <flipstar> -r
[23:57] <unagi_> thank you
[23:57] <unagi_> | grep doesnt give me the whole text
[23:58] <mefisto__> unagi_: if you hit the / key, then type the search term when the man page is displayed
[23:58] <unagi_> mencoder "mf://*.jpg" -mf fps=25 -o output.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4<-----------------------------why does this give me [demux_mf] file type was not set! trying 'type=jpg'...
[23:58] <NickPresta> mefisto__, yep. I told him that too =(