[00:21] <ethana3> Hey all...  Do we expect disk images within the next six hours?
[00:26] <PriceChild> ethana3, expect them when they're ready
[00:26] <ethana3> yes.
[00:29] <ethana3> oh hey, I've never rolled an .iso myself..
[00:29] <ethana3> what does the process entail?
[00:29] <ethana3> i mean, after you've selected the code you want on it..
[00:30] <rx4> cds are auto-generated
[00:30] <tokok> after that they start WinISO
[00:30] <ethana3> cool
[00:30] <ethana3> WinISO?
[00:30] <tokok> nevermind
[00:31] <ethana3> that three letter string always makes me a bit suspicious..
[00:31] <ethana3> ^_^
[00:32] <ethana3> so how feasible would it be to have the software keep the images up to date every two weeks?
[00:32] <rx4> easy
[00:32] <ethana3> so that fresh installs don't flood the apt servers 3 months past...
[00:32] <ethana3> hmm
[00:33] <rx4> but people would keep reinstalling because new images are available
[00:33] <ethana3> ohh
[00:33] <ethana3> no, the same updates
[00:33] <ethana3> that get rolled out via apt
[00:33] <rx4> still
[00:33] <rx4> im sure alot of people would do
[00:33] <ethana3> some people with OCD?
[00:33] <ethana3> yeah..
[00:34] <ethana3> i wouldn't
[00:34] <ethana3> they should also use some kind of delta-deb and p2p apt system
[00:34] <ethana3> but that may take a while to implement
[00:35] <rx4> hehe i think they have better things to do (ie, fixing bugs)
[00:35] <ethana3> yeah..
[00:35] <tokok> bugs was here long before humans
[00:36] <ethana3> i just figured cutting bandwidth expenses might allow them to employ more devs
[00:36] <ethana3> ;)
[00:36] <rx4> btw
[00:37] <rx4> whats up with the new artwork?
[00:37] <rx4> i thought they would push a new gnome theme/engine
[00:37] <ethana3> with transparency
[00:37] <ethana3> murrina
[00:38] <rx4> murrina is sloww
[00:38] <ethana3> oh
[00:38] <ethana3> well, whatever they need for widget based transparency
[00:38] <ethana3> 'cause that looked awesome
[00:40] <tokok> how you can control hard disk's cache strategy in ubuntu?
[00:40] <rx4> oh btw, will hardy fix the disk clicking problem on laptops? this is a severe issue
[00:41] <ethana3> disk clicking?
[00:41] <ethana3> What's with all the 64GB SSD's?
[00:41] <ethana3> that's rediculous
[00:41] <ethana3> I just want 8 or 16 GB in an SSD
[00:42] <ethana3> and I'll be happy
[00:49] <smallfoot-> ubuntu is getting better :)
[00:49] <ethana3> absolutely
[00:49] <ethana3> i hope caps lock works properly in this alpha
[00:49] <smallfoot-> my alpha3 sucked, but now i did apt-get upgrade, and installed 400 megabyte updates, and its much better now, it dont suck anymore
[00:49] <ethana3> i use colemak..
[00:50] <ethana3> yeah
[00:50] <ethana3> i had an unstable machine..
[00:50] <ethana3> this one..
[00:50] <ethana3> 3DE's, i used pulseaudio...
[00:50] <smallfoot-> but when i login on ubuntu it said "error: language_en not installed or found, i am using now system default instead" or something like that
[00:50] <ethana3> and i ran update-manager -d
[00:50] <ethana3> yeah..
[00:50] <smallfoot-> you get that error too?
[00:50] <ethana3> they'll bring it all together in a while
[00:51] <smallfoot-> ya
[00:51] <ethana3> i haven't installed alpha3
[00:51] <ethana3> i just used the LiveCD
[00:51] <ethana3> i'm waiting to install until this alpha today
[00:51] <ethana3> the only software that still works on this machine
[00:52] <ethana3> kopete, kate, amarok, konqueror
[00:52] <ethana3> i have 8 browsers
[00:52] <ethana3> and only 1 still works
[00:52] <smallfoot-> oh
[00:52] <ethana3> this was the machine i had my inital learning curve on, after leaving windows
[00:52] <smallfoot-> firefox works on me
[00:52] <ethana3> i /really/ jacked it up
[00:52] <ethana3> and my dual seat configuration
[00:52] <ethana3> that put it over the top
[00:52] <smallfoot-> well you should stick with Feisty Fawn if you dont want trouble
[00:52] <ethana3> you mean Gutsy?
[00:53] <smallfoot-> yeah, i mean gusty gibbon
[00:53] <ethana3> Neither work onmy machine
[00:53] <ethana3> LiveCD
[00:53] <smallfoot-> oh
[00:53] <ethana3> just don't work..  that xorg bug, multiple cards; integrated, ati
[00:53] <smallfoot-> i updated to alpha3 cuz i was getting impatient for 8.40 release and was bored
[00:53] <smallfoot-> oh
[00:53] <ethana3> bored? We get into a lot of trouble that way, don't we? ;)
[00:53] <smallfoot-> the new xorg is better, it can run without config file
[00:53] <smallfoot-> yeah :d
[00:53] <ethana3> yes.. but I'll still need it
[00:54] <ethana3> two simultaneous users.. all the hardware is here right now, two of everything
[00:54] <ethana3> i love ideapool...  that is where i reside
[00:55] <ethana3> and ideastorm, of course
[00:55] <smallfoot-> one thing i think is annoying is that if i use IRC it will use my login name as username, its bad for my privacy
[00:55] <ethana3> i put the dell ubuntu xps on my wish list, and emailed it to two people
[00:56] <ethana3> hmm
[00:56] <smallfoot-> oh
[00:56] <ethana3> wait, what client?
[00:56] <smallfoot-> yeah, a IRC client like X-Chat
[00:56] <ethana3> hmm..  i use pidgin.. well, I did
[00:56] <smallfoot-> oh
[00:56] <ethana3> it died too
[00:56] <ethana3> along with all my other gnome apps
[00:56] <ethana3> ^_^
[00:56] <smallfoot-> oh
[00:57] <smallfoot-> i can run all gnome apps i think with alpha3+updates
[00:57] <burner> isn't alpha 4 out
[00:57] <ethana3> on my other machine, I tried to install the mac menu hack
[00:57] <ethana3> not yet, we're waiting for it
[00:57] <smallfoot-> wasbt 2 hours ago, dont know about now
[00:57] <ethana3> it's due out any hour
[00:57] <ethana3> wait, what?
[00:57] <burner> aww, i thought it was due on teh 30th
[00:57] <smallfoot-> nope, alpha4 not out, it should be though
[00:57] <ethana3> patience..
[00:58] <smallfoot-> when using the compiz cool effects, not everything works, blender only works in fullscreen, not window mode
[00:58] <ethana3> well OpenGL..
[00:58] <ethana3> it's not scheduled well
[00:58] <ethana3> we're in a new era, where the GPU is just another processor
[00:58] <ethana3> I don't think current graphical API's are well suited to that
[00:58] <smallfoot-> oh
[00:58] <ethana3> or at least their handlers
[00:59] <smallfoot-> and the Dell XPS Ubuntu is good that it exist for other people, but i build my computer myself, cuz im cool like that
[00:59] <ethana3> well
[00:59] <ethana3> i would, but it's a laptop..
[00:59] <bwlang_> the signal 5 crashes are fixed as of a few hours ago... but you have to close an restart gnome for the new environment to take effect.
[00:59] <ethana3> i would love to be able to do that, to have those standards in place
[00:59] <smallfoot-> yeah, to buy a laptop that you KNOW will work on linux
[01:00] <smallfoot-> so you dont build your computer self and gamble and some hardware dont work
[01:00] <ethana3> i want a GUI for PAM
[01:00] <ethana3> ..i put that in ideapool too...
[01:00] <ethana3> well, i figure as long as you avoid dialup modems and the X-Fi..
[01:00] <ethana3> you should be good, for the most part
[01:00] <smallfoot-> yeah, dialup modems and xfi, ahh <shivers
[01:01] <smallfoot-> i ABSOLTUELY LOVE the ubuntu servers, did they sneak some server with SAS RAID disks into my basement with optical fiber or what? today, when I used Update Manager, it downloaded 9300 kbyte/s
[01:01] <ethana3> If there's a petition out there to send a Novell Linux Drivers Project representative to Creative, I'll sign it
[01:01] <smallfoot-> 9300 kbyte/s, god damn, thats fucking fast
[01:03] <ethana3> time estimates always bug me
[01:03] <ethana3> my connection speed varies
[01:03] <smallfoot-> it said "update is 400 megabyte, it will take 50 minutes on high-speed internet or 50 hours on dial-up", and i clicked "next" and it said "1 minute remaining, 9300 kbyte/s downloading"
[01:03] <ethana3> they should all take what /has been/ downloaded over the time it /has taken/...
[01:03] <ethana3> congradulations
[01:03] <ethana3> now you just have to learn Korean
[01:04] <smallfoot-> hehe what
[01:04] <ethana3> Korean
[01:04] <ethana3> the language of Korea
[01:04] <ethana3> where all their internet is that fast
[01:04] <ethana3> ^_^
[01:04] <smallfoot-> oh, cool
[01:04] <smallfoot-> it is?
[01:04] <ethana3> it's rediculous
[01:04] <smallfoot-> i thought japan had the best internet infrastructure in the world
[01:04] <ethana3> ~100Mbit
[01:04] <smallfoot-> i have 100 mbit down, 10 mbit up
[01:04] <ethana3> maybe they do.. if so, Korea's close
[01:04] <ethana3> FiOS?
[01:05] <smallfoot-> i read on slashdot that fix USA internet infrastructure would require 100 billion dollar
[01:05] <ethana3> hmm..
[01:05] <smallfoot-> USA internet sucks, they invented it, but have crap internet with slow-speed expensive junk internet
[01:05] <ethana3> sacrifice microsoft!
[01:06] <ethana3> well, it's all going wireless in a year or so
[01:06] <ethana3> Auction 73 + Google
[01:06] <ethana3> i hate cell networks
[01:06] <ethana3> so I'll be glad to see them die
[01:10] <ethana3> have we put any commercials on TV?
[01:10] <ethana3> meh, better uses of money than that i guess..
[01:10] <ethana3> marketing is best done on the individual level
[01:11] <nemilar> is Alpha4 confirmed for tomorrow?
[01:12] <ethana3> it would kind of be nice to have an ETA..
[01:13] <nemilar> I'm pretty sure it was canceled for today
[01:14] <ethana3> ohh
[01:14] <ethana3> ..iv'e been waiting anxiously for a week
[01:14] <nemilar> lol
[01:14] <ethana3> i woke up this morning and it was like Christmas
[01:14] <nemilar> haha
[01:14] <ethana3> ...and my presents were gone
[01:14] <ethana3> lol
[01:14] <nemilar> christmas will be April 24th
[01:14] <ethana3> yes.
[01:16] <ethana3> is it possible for widget based translucency to work in WINE apps?
[01:23] <ethana3> I think it would be nice to have a 'pick your platform and DE' wizard on Ubuntu.com
[01:24] <cavediver> Hi.
[01:24] <ethana3> where you answer three questions.. and it tells you what to download..
[01:24] <ethana3> oh hi
[01:24] <ethana3> we think the alpha's going to come out tomorrow
[01:24] <ethana3> got delayed or something
[01:24] <cavediver> Have a dpkg/apt problem making me unable to update.
[01:24] <ethana3> broken software index?
[01:24] <cavediver> something like that.
[01:24] <cavediver> a broken pacvkage
[01:24] <ethana3> what does it say?
[01:25] <cavediver> hang on
[01:25] <ethana3> oh, ok..
[01:25] <cavediver>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: system-config-printer-gnome but it is not installed
[01:25] <cavediver> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[01:25] <bardyr> hmm, what does the topic say :)
[01:25] <cavediver> -f givs me:
[01:26] <ethana3> bardyr: a little mercy..
[01:26] <cavediver> Well...
[01:26] <cavediver> I'm just trying to fix it. Have had it for 3 days.
[01:26] <bardyr> cavediver, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:26] <cavediver> Not something that will magically disappear it seems
[01:26] <cavediver> bardyr: se above paste
[01:26] <ethana3> i'd just do a
[01:27] <ethana3> sudo apt-get install system-config-printer-gnome
[01:27] <bardyr> yea you could do that too
[01:27] <cavediver> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/system-config-printer-gnome_0.7.78+svn1799-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[01:27] <cavediver> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:27] <cavediver> ethana3: will try
[01:27] <bardyr> but it should be in a upgrade/dist-upgrade
[01:28] <cavediver> ethana3: that gives me that error
[01:28] <ethana3> hmm
[01:28] <ethana3> let me guess..  with -f it wants you to remove all your apps that need the gnome printer thing?
[01:28] <cavediver> solved similar issues way back in debian by inserting exit 0 in some deinstall script
[01:29] <bardyr> !info system-config-printer-gnome
[01:29] <cavediver> can't remember it now though
[01:29] <ubotu> system-config-printer-gnome (source: system-config-printer): Printer configuration GUI. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.78+svn1799-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 86 kB, installed size 836 kB
[01:29] <cavediver> god, can't i just have it removed or fixed :)
[01:29] <bardyr> cavediver, did you do a upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[01:29] <ethana3> did you try what it told you?
[01:29] <cavediver> bardyr: yes
[01:29] <cavediver> ethana3: yup
[01:30] <ethana3> and what did it want to do?
[01:30] <cavediver> did paste the -f output
[01:30] <ethana3> ohhh
[01:30] <ethana3> ok, now i'm where /I/ got lost
[01:30] <bardyr> cavediver, aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:30] <bardyr> frack apt
[01:30] <ethana3> when i swapped out gnome's core for the mac menu hack
[01:30] <cavediver> bardyr: oki
[01:31] <cavediver> bardyr: something is happening, it's actually downloading stuff now :)
[01:31] <cavediver> hell i'm so use to apt-get, what the frecking heck is aptitude anyway?
[01:32] <bardyr> when apt does not want to play nice, smack it with aptitude :)
[01:32] <cavediver> i see
[01:32] <bardyr> cavediver, its a frontend for apt ;D
[01:32] <cavediver> what?
[01:32] <cavediver> so the frontend managed to do some magic that the backend couldn't :)
[01:33] <bardyr> yep
[01:33] <cavediver> But it's not installed yet so i still could get an error....
[01:33] <cavediver> :)
[01:34] <bardyr> where is my pretty little -6 kernel >&
[01:38] <blkorpheus> do tell
[01:39] <blkorpheus> and please restore pidgin to functionality
[01:39] <blkorpheus> soon :)
[01:40] <ethana3> oh wait
[01:40] <ethana3> i upgraded this via update-manager -d
[01:40] <bardyr> blkorpheus, upgrade, it works :o
[01:40] <ethana3> so /I/ didn't break pidgin?
[01:40] <ethana3> it was hardy?
[01:41] <bardyr> ethana3, nope, but if you are fully updated logout and in and pidgin should work
[01:41] <blkorpheus> hmmm maybe thats it
[01:41] <ethana3> I'll try it
[01:41] <blkorpheus> have not logged out in
[01:41] <blkorpheus> where is my uptime conky?
[01:41] <ethana3> and I am fully updated
[01:43] <blkorpheus> I stay updated
[01:46] <FrankQ> yeah you need to log out and in for the debug environment variable to be properly reset
[01:47] <ethana3> ok, tried pidgin again..
[01:47] <ethana3> it went on and on about gstreamer..
[01:47] <ethana3> then it gave me this:
[01:48] <blkorpheus> hope I have better luc
[01:48] <ethana3> pidgin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_dpgettext
[01:48] <ethana3> well, this install is really mutant by now
[01:48] <blkorpheus> ouch
[01:48] <ethana3> i've had this install since fiesty
[01:48] <blkorpheus> lol me too
[01:48] <ethana3> i've been using pulseaudio for a while..
[01:48] <ethana3> i have 3 DE's installed
[01:48] <blkorpheus> but its very tight and clean
[01:48] <ethana3> and 8 browsers
[01:48] <ethana3> and it's a dual seat setup
[01:49] <ethana3> ...that doesn't work yet
[01:49] <blkorpheus> dual "seat'?
[01:49] <ethana3> two simultaneous users
[01:49] <blkorpheus> ahh
[01:49] <blkorpheus> nice
[01:49] <ethana3> two keyboards, two mice, two screens..
[01:49] <ethana3> yeah
[01:49] <ethana3> it will be.. when it works
[01:49] <DanaG> I'l conky you... on the head.  (bad joke.)
[01:49] <ethana3> i've done so much murder to my fiesty install i don't blame it for keeling over and dying
[01:50] <blkorpheus> thats no excuse
[01:50] <blkorpheus> as long as your system maintence is tight, you should be fine
[01:50] <ethana3> hmm
[01:50] <blkorpheus> I run a tight ship
[01:50] <ethana3> i came to fiesty from windows
[01:50] <blkorpheus> no lose symlinks nothing
[01:50] <blkorpheus> ahhh
[01:50] <ethana3> for the first months...
[01:50] <blkorpheus> say no more
[01:50] <ethana3> i was incompetent
[01:50] <ethana3> lol
[01:50] <blkorpheus> ;)
[01:50] <ethana3> i like to think i know what I'm doing now
[01:51] <ethana3> hence, me being here
[01:52] <ethana3> in fact
[01:52] <ethana3> hardy is the first distro where the liveCD works on my desktop
[01:52] <ethana3> at all
[01:52] <blkorpheus> wow
[01:52] <bardyr> lol
[01:52] <blkorpheus> lol
[01:52] <FrankQ> first time it didn't complain at all here. just still 800x600 on livecd
[01:52] <bardyr> ethana3, you must have some seriously shitty hardware
[01:52] <ethana3> and now instead of wanting to just ignore the integrated..
[01:52] <ethana3> i want to use it
[01:52] <ethana3> well
[01:52] <FrankQ> i wish they'd fix the install to not mind that sometime
[01:53] <ethana3> Radeon 9200SE PCI 128MB and an intel 855GM
[01:53] <blkorpheus> its called alt. cd install
[01:53] <blkorpheus> screw the livecd
[01:53] <ethana3> yes.
[01:53] <bardyr> i like the live cd
[01:53] <ethana3> that's what i had to resort to
[01:53] <ethana3> good thing we have xorg.conf and vim
[01:53] <ethana3> to dig through
[01:53] <ethana3> for hours
[01:53] <blkorpheus> I never you the live desktop anyway
[01:53] <ethana3> and that is how i got where i am today
[01:53] <blkorpheus> its straight to install I go
[01:54] <ethana3> well, when you're dealing with alphas.....
[01:54] <ethana3> ^_^
[01:54] <blkorpheus> I've dealt with aplhas from day one
[01:54] <blkorpheus> never an issue
[01:54] <blkorpheus> for me anyway
[01:54] <ethana3> i want the latest pidgin.. but they don't run their own apt
[01:55] <ethana3> they cite that they are well integrated into various distros
[01:55] <blkorpheus> I always laugh at the fear surrounding alpha, but keep it to myself generally, to not get flamed
[01:55] <FrankQ> compile it!
[01:55] <burner> getdeb.net has it
[01:55] <bardyr> ethana3, try from the terminal, strace pidgin
[01:55] <ethana3> i've done that
[01:55] <ethana3> ok, thank you
[01:55] <ethana3> i'll do that now..
[01:55] <ethana3> pidgin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_dpgettext
[01:55] <ethana3> is that important?
[01:55] <blkorpheus> as long as you know how to restore X, your fine
[01:55] <ethana3> well........
[01:55] <ethana3> restoring X was a serious pain
[01:55] <blkorpheus> and even then, I'm ok in console
[01:56] <ethana3> gdm and gnome are dead on my machine
[01:56] <ethana3> as is KDE4
[01:56] <blkorpheus> Been using alpha ubuntu since ubuntu started
[01:56] <ethana3> wow
[01:56] <blkorpheus> what was that, Warty?
[01:56] <FrankQ> blkorpheus: well, the breakage has not been horrible for the alpha at my side, but still at least 2 days of limited use here, lots of freezes and several important feature regressions. I don't care, I'm proud since that's quite good, but i'm glad this is not a development machine (entirely anyways)
[01:56] <blkorpheus> always stay ahead of the release rush, and evrythingg
[01:56] <bardyr> i joined edge and then up
[01:57] <bardyr> always been on the ubuntu+1 since the repos open
[01:57] <blkorpheus> FrankQ, I don't get lock ups, just notices of things crashing from apport
[01:57] <DanaG> New gnome-session and gnome-control-center and gnome-settings-daemon break stuff.
[01:57] <ethana3> man, this is so exciting...
[01:57] <DanaG> Severely.
[01:57] <blkorpheus> but the whole system just keeps on trucking
[01:57] <DanaG> I just went back to the previous version.
[01:57] <blkorpheus> minor annoyances as mythtv remote breaking for a few days, pidgin, etc
[01:57] <blkorpheus> minor stuff
[01:58] <FrankQ> blkorpheus: at least one hard reset every few days here
[01:58] <blkorpheus> I always keep a good kernel around just in case a new one does not boot
[01:58] <FrankQ> but that's my fault since i refuse to use my machine without compiz ;-)
[01:58] <ethana3> ^_^
[01:58] <blkorpheus> FrankQ, sorry to hear that, I can't remmebr the last time I had a hard reset
[01:58] <bardyr> FrankQ, actually i had one hard reset the entire hardy time, had them almost daily with gutsy
[01:58] <FrankQ> I don't mind it much. It's my own choice to run an alpha.
[01:58] <smallfoot-> is EDID broken in Ubuntu?
[01:59] <ethana3> same
[01:59] <ethana3> hardy is already better
[01:59] <blkorpheus> FrankQ, if you have not already, check to make sure you've got the latest vid driver
[01:59] <ethana3> with X
[01:59] <FrankQ> or at least not even my own choice. just... "let's install the alpha! oh... damn, just overwrote my gutsy partition"
[01:59] <blkorpheus> my hardlock issues were with gutsy and the old nvidia release
[01:59] <blkorpheus> after this latest 169 release, smooth sailing
[02:00] <bardyr> yea
[02:00] <bardyr> 169 is nice
[02:00] <blkorpheus> compiz will occasionally, fritz, but I just reenable, and keep going
[02:00] <blkorpheus> it is
[02:00] <ethana3> i hear we're getting multi-touch soon
[02:00] <ethana3> in X
[02:00] <FrankQ> latest vid driver from the official repos, but not in general i guess
[02:01] <blkorpheus> the repos are fine...but I don't use them for my video drivers
[02:01] <bardyr> launchpad down)
[02:01] <bardyr> ?
[02:01] <bardyr> or ppa atleast
[02:01] <FrankQ> launchpad works. havent tested ppa
[02:01] <blkorpheus> I uninstall restricted manager asap, then download the nvidia driver, and run the script
[02:01] <blkorpheus> seems better when I compile my module on this machine
[02:02] <FrankQ> yeah, i could do that but i'm very wary of doing stuff like that. bad taste in mouth from automatix
[02:02] <blkorpheus> automatix never broke me either
[02:02] <blkorpheus> I found that wholesaga amusing as well
[02:02] <blkorpheus> I don't use automatix anymore, but it never caused an isue
[02:03] <blkorpheus> you just have to be very deliberate with your repos
[02:03] <bardyr> it totally fobared my system
[02:03] <burner> fubared even
[02:03] <FrankQ> it did a lot of bad stuff to me, and even though i fixed that i did a complete reinstall just to get rid of any possible leftovers
[02:03] <blkorpheus> I would kindly submit, the admin fubared the system
[02:03] <blkorpheus> :)
[02:03] <blkorpheus> kindly submitted
[02:03] <bardyr> but with ubuntu-restricted-extras automatix is not needed anymore
[02:03] <blkorpheus> true
[02:04] <FrankQ> yeah, that's an awesome improvement of the situation
[02:04] <FrankQ> of course, ideally it wouldn't have to be restricted
[02:06] <blkorpheus> I was going to try gnewsense on my new extra box, to see if I could go 100% FOSS
[02:07] <ethana3> man, things are getting so much better, so fast..
[02:07] <blkorpheus> but that means no blobs in the kernel
[02:07] <ethana3> i wonder which model Dell will ship ubuntu on next..
[02:07] <nemilar> I want a Lenovo to ship with Ubuntu
[02:07] <blkorpheus> blobs aka firmware for wireless stuff etc.
[02:07] <ethana3> I want a PPC laptop with a 16GB SSD
[02:07] <smallfoot-> SSD pwn
[02:07] <nemilar> why in the world would you want PPC
[02:07] <ethana3> PPC would instantly kill non-FOSS
[02:07] <ethana3> that's why
[02:07] <burner> yeah, ppc, wtf?
[02:07] <smallfoot-> lol
[02:08] <nemilar> ppcwtfbbq
[02:08] <ethana3> and it's a better ISA
[02:08] <ethana3> imo
[02:08] <blkorpheus> ISA
[02:08] <blkorpheus> ???
[02:08] <ethana3> Instruction Set Arch
[02:08] <DanaG> Instruction Set Architecture.
[02:08] <DanaG> (you beat me.)
[02:08] <blkorpheus> ohhh
[02:08] <nemilar> risc vs cisc ?
[02:08] <ethana3> i left off the second part of the word
[02:08] <blkorpheus> I thought you meant ISA bus
[02:08] <ethana3> it's..  risc
[02:08] <blkorpheus> I was like realllly?
[02:08] <ethana3> actually, most are risc now
[02:08] <ethana3> but they have to translate instructions
[02:09] <ethana3> if mips or arm or sparc or alpha is good,
[02:09] <ethana3> I'll go with it
[02:09] <ethana3> as long as i have the source, I can use whatever i need
[02:09] <ethana3> and i think with a FOSS-only laptop, that is key
[02:09] <smallfoot-> will Hardy Heron have better video-performance than Gutsy Gibbon? when I used gutsy gibbon, i noticed that Windows was better for porno, cuz the video performance was not so good, i used geforce 8600
[02:09] <nemilar> lmao
[02:10] <smallfoot-> when i would skip in the movie, it would take longer time to skip, in windows it would skip instantly
[02:10] <burner> smallfoot-: did you get the 'non-free' binary drivers?
[02:10] <smallfoot-> yes
[02:10]  * burner shrugs
[02:10] <burner> use xine instead of gstreamer?
[02:10] <smallfoot-> cuz i use them to use Compiz, one of the only reason i use ubuntu, cuz compiz is so slick
[02:11] <smallfoot-> i dont know how to use xine instead of gstreamer
[02:11] <burner> sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[02:11] <smallfoot-> oh
[02:11] <burner> or totem-gstreamer to go back to gstreamer
[02:11] <smallfoot-> i just want it work out of box, without mess with command line, and download and configure stuff
[02:12] <burner> push video card manufacturers to open source their drivers and specs
[02:12] <burner> gstreamer is getting better all the time
[02:12] <smallfoot-> ya
[02:12] <smallfoot-> oh
[02:12] <burner> you can do add/remove and pick totem xine
[02:12] <smallfoot-> oh
[02:22] <ethana3> i can't wait until phones go away
[02:23] <ethana3> wireless internet everywhere, the old system getting the axe
[02:28] <FrankQ> i can't wait until phones open up so they're more than bricks
[02:28] <ethana3> Freedom
[02:28] <ethana3> ...which will be mandated when the phone system dies
[02:28] <ethana3> and wireless internet and FOSS is the standard
[02:28] <ethana3> 24 months.
[02:29] <smallfoot-> when Intel open source their CPU
[02:29] <ethana3> hmmmm
[02:29] <smallfoot-> when NVIDIA open source their GPU
[02:29] <ethana3> the ISA or the implementation?
[02:29] <smallfoot-> all, everything
[02:29] <ethana3> hmmmmm
[02:29] <ethana3> i think we should start by making the PPC or SPARC ISA free
[02:29] <smallfoot-> when computer is 100% foss
[02:30] <ethana3> and then make a simple Free reference implementation
[02:30] <ethana3> ..and then get more advanced from there
[02:30] <ethana3> well see, i think right now
[02:30] <smallfoot-> think Sun already made OpenSPARC open source, Niagara T1
[02:30] <ethana3> oh really?
[02:30] <ethana3> sweeet
[02:30] <smallfoot-> yes
[02:30] <bardyr> yea
[02:30] <ethana3> then render it on 45nm, i want it
[02:30] <smallfoot-> imagine 100% open source software on your computer, not a single byte of propietary software on your computer
[02:30] <ethana3> yes.
[02:30] <ethana3> and as i said, it needs to be non-x86
[02:30] <smallfoot-> imagine your computer have all hardware open spec, all open source, every single little IC
[02:30] <ethana3> for that to happen
[02:30] <FrankQ> or formats.
[02:31] <ethana3> absolutely
[02:31] <bardyr> smallfoot-, image openbios working on every box :o
[02:31] <smallfoot-> ya
[02:31] <smallfoot-> or corebios (formerly LinuxBIOS)
[02:31] <ethana3> i think we should do away with bios
[02:31] <smallfoot-> UltraSPARC T2 is open too
[02:31] <ethana3> and use grub for POST ;)
[02:32] <ethana3> well, if sparc is truly open
[02:32] <ethana3> more so than x86 or ppc or alpha or mips
[02:32] <ethana3> we should use it in a FOSS-only laptop
[02:32] <smallfoot-> yeah, but EFI seems dumb, it seems so complex, i dont like that, BIOS should be minimalist, and do nothing, just pass control asap to boot loader
[02:32] <ethana3> yes.
[02:32] <ethana3> agree wholeheartedly
[02:32] <smallfoot-> EFI implements network stack and all kinds of creepy stuff
[02:32] <ethana3> my desktop.. phoenix bios
[02:32] <ethana3> sooo sloooow
[02:33] <ethana3> takes like 20 to 30 seconds to even go to grub
[02:33] <smallfoot-> my desktop AMI BIOS
[02:33] <smallfoot-> wow, crazy
[02:33] <ethana3> it's horrible
[02:33] <smallfoot-> http://www.opensparc.net/
[02:33] <ethana3> i'd click that
[02:34] <ethana3> but i don't really have a working browser
[02:34] <ethana3> oh well, let's see how it does..
[02:34] <ethana3> oh wow
[02:34] <ethana3> epiphany?
[02:34] <ethana3> fail.
[02:34] <smallfoot-> hehe
[02:34] <ethana3> copy link, trying to run konqueror KDE4
[02:34] <smallfoot-> sudo apt-get check
[02:34] <smallfoot-> sudo apt-get update
[02:34] <smallfoot-> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:35] <smallfoot-> sudo apt-get clean
[02:35] <smallfoot-> sudo apt-get autoclean
[02:35] <ethana3> aaaand it crashed
[02:35] <smallfoot-> do that :p
[02:35] <ethana3> ok.
[02:35] <ethana3> i will do that now
[02:35] <smallfoot-> cant get much worse :p
[02:35] <ethana3> that is correct.
[02:35] <ethana3> oh, i have to use su
[02:35] <ethana3> sudo can't resolve host desktop
[02:36] <bardyr> hmmm, crap
[02:36] <ethana3> check didn't do anything special..
[02:36] <ethana3> next..
[02:36] <DanaG> Boot recovery mode.
[02:36] <ethana3> no, i just use su
[02:36] <DanaG> Then you'll actually BE root.
[02:36] <ethana3> it's fine
[02:36] <ethana3> wait..
[02:36] <bardyr> did a autoclean, and removed 100's of packages, some that i use and need :/
[02:36] <ethana3> su isn't root?
[02:37] <bardyr> yes
[02:37] <bardyr> it is
[02:37] <ethana3> oh, ok
[02:37] <bardyr> or su - is real root
[02:37] <DanaG> I leave root disabled.
[02:37] <ethana3> i'll bet my system is the most jacked up in this channel
[02:37] <bardyr> same with sudo -i
[02:37] <smallfoot-> hehe
[02:38] <DanaG> Did you recently rename your PC?
[02:39] <DanaG> You have to change both /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts.
[02:39] <ethana3> no..
[02:39] <ethana3> oh no.. it's trying to install wine from ubuntu repos
[02:39] <blkorpheus> I can't stand typing sudo
[02:39] <ethana3> well, i guess that's fine..
[02:39] <blkorpheus> I get around that asap
[02:39] <ethana3> i use winehq repos
[02:39] <blkorpheus> its fine for noobs
[02:39] <blkorpheus> but please, spare me :)
[02:40] <blkorpheus> there was no forced sudo in 96 to protect the user
[02:40] <blkorpheus> but, we managed to make it
[02:40] <ethana3> wait, 1996?
[02:40] <ethana3> what?
[02:40] <blkorpheus> yup
[02:40] <ethana3> wow
[02:41] <ethana3> honesly, i'm not of the opinion linux was usable back then
[02:41] <ethana3> for the average person
[02:41] <blkorpheus> average is relative
[02:41] <ethana3> yes.
[02:41] <ethana3> by definition
[02:41] <ethana3> ;)
[02:41] <blkorpheus> :)
[02:41] <blkorpheus> back then I dual booted mandrake
[02:42] <blkorpheus> Ihad some corel linux floppies I tried
[02:42] <blkorpheus> redhat l5
[02:42] <blkorpheus> or so
[02:42] <blkorpheus> but mostly mandrake
[02:42] <ethana3> my first linux experience
[02:42] <ethana3> FC4
[02:42] <blkorpheus> it was very usable for anyone I believe then
[02:42] <ethana3> etherboot at my school's lab
[02:42] <ethana3> hmm
[02:42] <ethana3> what DE?
[02:43] <blkorpheus> all of themlol
[02:43] <ethana3> in 96?
[02:43] <ethana3> i thought KDE wasn't even around 'till 97
[02:43] <blkorpheus> mandrake made no differentiation
[02:43] <blkorpheus> gnome is 10 yrs old
[02:43] <blkorpheus> as o last year
[02:44] <blkorpheus> mandrake came with kde, and gnome
[02:44] <ethana3> hmm
[02:44] <blkorpheus> you could select which Es you wanted installed frominstall
[02:44] <blkorpheus> I would usually click all of them
[02:44]  * burner remembers selecting window maker in redhat 6.x
[02:44] <blkorpheus> I used mostly KDE then
[02:45] <blkorpheus> then I would go back to windows for a few months, miss linux and come back
[02:45] <blkorpheus> then around 98 is used mandrake mostly all the time
[02:45] <smallfoot-> i use mostly GNOME these days, back in the days, I used mostly Fluxbox
[02:45] <blkorpheus> I wen to college in 92
[02:45] <blkorpheus> high school grad 89
[02:46] <blkorpheus> went back to college in 96
[02:46] <burner> me too smallfoot-
[02:46] <smallfoot-> idk when i went
[02:46] <ethana3> the good old days
[02:46] <ethana3> when men were men and wrote their own device drivers
[02:46] <blkorpheus> had no clean copy of win 98 so I downloaded linux cds on the universities highspeed backbone
[02:46] <ethana3> ...then the specs went away
[02:46] <blkorpheus> ha
[02:47] <ethana3> ...and now they're coming back
[02:47] <blkorpheus> smallfoot-, I started using fluxbox when I started using gentoo, when it first came out
[02:47] <blkorpheus> in what, 02?
[02:47] <ethana3> so ati releases specs, but intel just helps make open source drivers, right?
[02:47] <blkorpheus> afaik
[02:47] <smallfoot-> blkorpheus, I started using Fluxbox when I started using Slackware. But now I haev a new fast machine, I run Ubuntu
[02:47] <blkorpheus> it just made sense to use fluxbox then
[02:48] <smallfoot-> ya
[02:48] <blkorpheus> at least until gnome compiled, which might have been days then :)
[02:48] <smallfoot-> hehe
[02:48] <blkorpheus> yeah, resource galore is why I run gnome now
[02:48] <smallfoot-> fluxbox always instantly fast, you type "startx" and X with Fluxbox starts in <1 sec
[02:48] <blkorpheus> I started with ubuntu when it first came out
[02:49] <blkorpheus> I thought the ideology was cool, for humans
[02:49] <smallfoot-> maybe GNOME got faster, idk, but it got better.. and now my machine is dual-core 2 ghz, old was 900 mhz
[02:49] <smallfoot-> well, the ideology for humans, sounds like some marketing bs lol
[02:49] <blkorpheus> I have looked, and have yet to find enough reasons to distro jump
[02:49] <blkorpheus> I think I made a good choice :)
[02:49] <smallfoot-> well try nwe distro sucks, cuz you must clean computer, install again, etc
[02:50] <smallfoot-> i wanna try slackware again, and try archlinux, i never tried it
[02:50] <bardyr> omg
[02:50] <blkorpheus> I was thinking of running zenwalk
[02:50] <bardyr> you cant be serious, i hate slackware
[02:50] <blkorpheus> never tried slack
[02:50] <smallfoot-> in slackware i could run CLI with 1280x1024 it was nice, in Ubuntu, when I press ctrl+alt+F2 its crappy like 320x240 or 640x480 screen res :(
[02:50] <blkorpheus> out of all the major distros
[02:50] <bardyr> its the most annoying distro that exists
[02:51] <blkorpheus> wow
[02:51] <smallfoot-> well slackware is annoying install new packages, update packages, etc (apt-get much better), but i learnt alot about linux by using slackware
[02:51] <ethana3> does Linus use slackware?
[02:51] <bardyr> smallfoot-, i just hit f11 in gnome-terminal
[02:51] <smallfoot-> i dont know
[02:51] <blkorpheus> I have a copy of freebsd I installed, but that had me in noobland
[02:51] <smallfoot-> bardyr, yeah that kinda gets similar
[02:52] <bardyr> ethana3, probably, he is annoyed and old school enough
[02:52] <blkorpheus> F11?
[02:52] <blkorpheus> fullscreen?
[02:52] <smallfoot-> F11 = fullscreen
[02:52] <smallfoot-> ya
[02:52] <ethana3> ;)
[02:52] <smallfoot-> but high-res in cli terminal on ubuntu would be cool
[02:52] <blkorpheus> I just tell the kernel to give me full res in console
[02:52] <bardyr> yea
[02:52] <smallfoot-> how?
[02:52] <blkorpheus> my console is sweet
[02:52] <blkorpheus> onlymissing colors
[02:52] <smallfoot-> colors is a MUSt
[02:53] <blkorpheus> sorry, my keyboard is wireless
[02:53] <smallfoot-> wwireless keyboard sucks
[02:53] <smallfoot-> FBI can sniff it
[02:53] <bardyr> no they dont
[02:53] <blkorpheus> just have not gotten around to setting the colors
[02:53] <smallfoot-> i only use keyboards with wire
[02:53] <bardyr> logitech wifi keyboard and mouses are great
[02:53] <smallfoot-> wireless keyboard have battery, and you play game, and die
[02:53] <blkorpheus> never thought of my keyboard being sniffed
[02:53] <blkorpheus> thats what I have
[02:53] <blkorpheus> logitech
[02:54] <blkorpheus> came with free speakers
[02:54] <blkorpheus> :)
[02:54] <smallfoot-> fbi cant sniff my keyboard cuz its not wireless
[02:54] <blkorpheus> not wireless
[02:54] <blkorpheus> IR
[02:54] <smallfoot-> oh
[02:54] <smallfoot-> i dont die in game, cuz my keyboard not wireless
[02:54] <ethana3> PS/2 needs to die
[02:54] <ethana3> USB FTW
[02:55] <ethana3> ..except it doesn't scale
[02:55] <ethana3> which means the protocol wasn't designed right, imo
[02:55] <blkorpheus> I just don't have a wired usb keyboard with a 12ft cord;)
[02:55] <smallfoot-> yes, PS/2 need to die, i agree
[02:55] <ethana3> it should be able to go wireless easily..
[02:55] <ethana3> frequency multiplexing
[02:55] <ethana3> carrier multiplexing
[02:55] <emgent> hello there, in #ubuntu-hardened is avaiable a bot (nick ubuSecurity) that paste in realtime CVE advisory, bugtraq advisory and milw0rm POC. if someone is interested please join. :)
[02:55] <smallfoot-> i dnot understand why computers still have PS/2
[02:55] <bardyr> damm i love nm-0.7, my wifi works perfect now. i hope it gets ready for hardy
[02:56] <ethana3> it's a vicious cycle
[02:56] <blkorpheus> nice chatting in here today
[02:56] <ethana3> peripheral makers figure since it's still there, it's still worth using
[02:56] <ethana3> ....and because they still use it, pc makers still use it
[02:56] <blkorpheus> you guys keeping me from reading the news ;)
[02:56] <ethana3> i simply refuse
[02:56] <ethana3> ^_^
[02:57] <blkorpheus> oh yeah
[02:57] <smallfoot-> hardy have 2.6.24, it has CFS, great! :D
[02:57] <blkorpheus> LMCE, I really want to install that on a machine
[02:57] <bardyr> w00t
[02:57] <blkorpheus> my next box I build will be a HTPC
[02:57] <smallfoot-> alpha4 still not up
[02:57] <bardyr> emerald just crashed (again) and intel has just released GPU specs with NDA's!
[02:58] <smallfoot-> NDA is sucks!
[02:58] <blkorpheus> just dist-upgrade, assuming you are running hardy now?
[02:58] <bardyr> without*
[02:58] <bardyr> without*
[02:58] <smallfoot-> i run alpha3
[02:58] <smallfoot-> without, great! :D
[02:58] <blkorpheus> or install the alpha 3 cd, and dist-upgrade
[02:58] <smallfoot-> intel is rox
[02:58] <smallfoot-> how dist-upgrade?
[02:58] <blkorpheus> yup
[02:58] <smallfoot-> apt-get dist-upgrade? oh that
[02:58] <blkorpheus> and you'll be alpha4 in like 10 minutes
[02:58] <blkorpheus> if that dualcore and all
[02:59]  * blkorpheus oh how I envy you;)
[02:59] <blkorpheus> ya that
[02:59] <ethana3> they have!?
[02:59] <ethana3> intel pulled an ati?
[02:59] <smallfoot-> intel released specs way before ATI, i think
[02:59] <ethana3> oh
[02:59] <smallfoot-> and nvidia wont release, asshats
[02:59] <ethana3> they'll feel the heat
[02:59] <ethana3> give them two years
[02:59] <ethana3> Dell is already bringing it on
[03:00] <smallfoot-> yeah, i just hope Lenevo, ASUS, HP, Fujitsu and all other jump on too
[03:00] <bardyr> ethana3, actually they pulled and AMD
[03:00] <ethana3> could somebody with a working browser check phoronix for me?
[03:00] <ethana3> well yeah.. but that would require buying nVidia
[03:00] <ethana3> lol
[03:00] <bardyr> smallfoot-, not without NDA's
[03:00] <ethana3> aww
[03:00] <smallfoot-> bardyr, oh
[03:00] <smallfoot-> i browse with telnet
[03:01] <ethana3> ohhh I see.. yeah somebody check phoronix
[03:01] <smallfoot-> bardyr, Intel released specs before with NDA, but now without NDA?
[03:01] <bardyr> yep
[03:01] <ethana3> this is sad.. maybe konqueror can hande that site without crashing.. here goes...
[03:01] <ethana3> oh, I see.. most excellent
[03:02] <ethana3> dangit!  phoronix crashes konqueror
[03:03] <smallfoot-> conky doesnt work good in hardy, it puts itself in a window instead of the desktop
[03:04] <ethana3> wait, what?
[03:05] <smallfoot-> ya, conky
[03:08]  * DanaG severely DISlikes the new scheduler.
[03:08] <DanaG> It doesn't deal with 'nice' levels properly.
[03:09] <DanaG> First Linux I'd ever used: SuSE 9.2 or 9.3.
[03:10] <smallfoot-> first me Red Hat, dunno version, maybe 6.2 or something
[03:10] <smallfoot-> came with a pc magazine
[03:19] <ethana3> it's going to be so awesome to get this dual seat thing working
[03:19] <ethana3> i've never done that before
[03:26] <ethana3> Hey, any other colemak typists in here?
[04:01] <Gnine> did not expect to want to have alpha4. my system got b0rkie on yesterdays update
[04:02] <burner> i guess i'm glad i didn't upgrade my virtual machine
[04:02] <DanaG> Downgrade gnome-session and gnome-control-center.
[04:08] <Gnine> negative. i'll go forward with bug reporting
[04:08] <wastrel> reporting a bug eh
[04:08] <Gnine> doing downgrade would defeat the testing
[04:11] <wastrel> f-spot argh
[04:11] <wastrel> hi
[04:15] <Gnine> f-spot slideshow is buggy
[04:15] <wastrel> f-spot email photos thingy is buggy
[04:23] <wastrel> argh.
[04:26] <wastrel> so f-spot creating images in /tmp for my email
[04:27] <wastrel> and then deleting them
[04:27] <wastrel> it's nice that it cleans up the tmp directory, i guess.   just wish it would wait until i've sent the email ....
[04:34] <thecrypto> Hey, I have been running the Hardy Heron alpha for a while now. Over the past week there has been a breakage showing itself in pidgin and other gtk apps. I have finally tracked it down to glib being compiled with debug flags enabled. Is anyone else running into this problem?
[04:35] <Konstig1> it's fixed since 4 hours approx
[04:36] <thecrypto> Okey
[04:37] <thecrypto> Awesome, thanks for the update.
[04:38] <FrankQ> download the newest update of gnome-session, than log out and in.
[04:38] <FrankQ> man, i feel for you digging into the issue so well. you should check the forums and this room ;-)
[04:38] <bardyr> does anybody else having a problem with the keyboard layout it stay remembered and you need to do a weird maneuver to change it from US every login?
[04:46] <thecrypto> Yah, next time I have a problem I'll come here
[04:46] <thecrypto> I was checking launchpad
[04:46] <Tensop> anyone here playing around with hda-intel sound+alsa in heron atm?
[04:46] <DanaG> Ugh, gnome-system-monitor's graphs suck now.
[04:46] <DanaG> They're lurcy.
[04:46] <DanaG> lurchy.
[04:46] <DanaG> jerky.
[04:46] <Tensop> i've managed to get it working but with a slight issue from the alsasound driver init.d process
[04:47] <DanaG> rolllJUMProllJUMProllJUMP
[04:47] <Tensop> had to use snapshots off the suse ftp + 1.0.16rc2 kernel driver
[04:47] <Tensop> report from alsasound is "/usr/sbin/alsactl: load_state:1573:no soundcards found..."
[04:48] <Tensop> but running "aplay -vv startup.wav" reports back on hardware PCM card 0 hda intel, dev 0 sub dev 0, and plays properly :)
[04:52] <vecna> hi
[04:53] <vecna> I am having some problems launching BOINC under Alpha 3
[04:53] <vecna> packages up to date as of 30 mn ago
[04:53] <vecna> BOINC doesn't start
[04:56] <FrankQ> What the hell, nuts. I am having some bug where if I take a screenshot for evolution it crashes Evolution :D
[04:56] <FrankQ> screenshot of death
[04:57] <FrankQ> DanaG: they seem much less jerky to me
[04:57] <DanaG> Hmm.
[04:57] <DanaG> I wonder why I'm getting that horrible lurching.
[04:58] <FrankQ> it does that to me, too
[04:58] <FrankQ> just not as much as the previous one
[04:58] <FrankQ> they're using Cairo now and fancy widgets and what all
[05:02] <FrankQ> so maybe it's a cairo issue
[05:05] <FrankQ> Are there any people in here who have 1. a google account 2. a not used google calendar account?
[05:05] <FrankQ> I have something i would love to get replicated
[05:07] <lennie> hi all ,nearly,My hardy automounts all fat32 partitions，How can I configure it?
[05:07] <lennie> I doesn't configure it in /etc/fstab
[05:15] <DanaG> Aah, I'm using the firefox-3.0 repo's Cairo.
[05:23] <wastrel> hi
[05:23] <wastrel> lennie:  system > preferences > removable drives and media
[05:25] <lennie> wastrel, but harddisk is not removeable drivers
[05:26] <wastrel> ah partitions, i wasn't reading carefully.
[05:29] <lennie> /dev/sda6 on /media/DATA type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree)
[05:52] <ethana3> so if I always hibernate windows when i have to use it, and i do,
[05:52] <ethana3> will Ubuntu still refuse to mount the ntfs until i manually force it to?
[05:53] <ethana3> there's something unelegant about putting a gun to its head and telling it to mount the frigging partition
[05:53] <ethana3> in my opinion
[05:54] <ethana3> particularly because it involves the terminal
[05:54] <Hydrogen> ehm
[05:55] <Hydrogen> its not safe to mount a partition that has not been cleanly shut down
[05:57] <ethana3> hibernate != crash
[05:58] <Hydrogen> it also != cleanly shut down
[05:58] <ethana3> ok
[05:58] <ethana3> read only then
[05:58] <ethana3> reading is usually all i need to do anyway
[06:17] <ethana3> probability of available hardy4 .isos in the next 14.75 hours?
[06:17] <ethana3> hardy alpha4**
[06:17] <ethana3> gahh, i always do that..
[06:17] <DanaG> oH eyah, handy thing for ntfs partitions:
[06:17] <DanaG> put 'mount -o ro /media/whatever' in /etc/rc.local.
[06:18] <DanaG> That way, if they're not already RW mounted due to being in fstab, they'll at least be RO mounted, rather than just mysteriously gone.
[06:19] <ethana3> ok
[06:19] <ethana3> is anyone using a theme with widget based translucency yet?
[06:20] <ethana3> like, buttons and such are opaque, window backgrounds are only 70% opaque..
[06:26] <wastrel> why can i not access my router's administrative interface in firefox ?  http://192.168.2.1
[06:26] <wastrel> can ping, can telnet on 80
[06:27] <wastrel> also, i set a host mapping in /etc/hosts   arthur   192.168.2.1     and http://arthur    in firefox takes me to arthur.com
[06:29] <soopurman> wastrel: the fields in /etc/hosts go the other way around; it should be:              192.168.2.1   arthur
[06:29] <soopurman> anyway, try #ubuntu for support
[06:30] <wastrel> that's what i had,
[06:30] <wastrel> have,  just retyping for irc.
[06:30] <wastrel> and this isn't a problem in gusty
[06:32] <soopurman> maybe your router is doint some kind of weird redirect... post the headers from when you telnet to port 80 on pastebin
[06:32] <soopurman> ^doing
[06:33] <wastrel> yeah it is i just noticed
[06:33] <wastrel> HTTP/1.0 301 Moved
[06:33] <wastrel> Location: http://192.168.2.1:88
[06:34] <wastrel> firefox is saying "the connection was reset"  - not understanding the location: header
[06:35] <soopurman> strange that it should work in gutsy and not hardy
[06:35] <soopurman> everything else is exactly the same?
[06:36] <soopurman> no other differences in the way you access it ?
[06:36] <wastrel> nope
[06:36] <wastrel> tho i don't have them side-by-side to test.  it worked in gusty - now in hardy it doesn't
[06:41] <wastrel> i installed upgrades <3
[06:54] <FunnyLookinHat> hey what gives...  where's the new alpha?
[06:54] <ethana3> patience
[06:54] <ethana3> it is in the future
[06:54] <ethana3> about .5 days distant
[06:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Heh, ok I can wait.
[06:55] <ethana3> ...but yeah, that's why I'm here too ^_^
[06:55] <ethana3> me neither
[06:55] <ethana3> ohhhh
[06:55] <ethana3> lol
[06:55] <ethana3> yes.
[06:55] <FunnyLookinHat> There will be an updated KDE4 kubuntu alpha, right?
[06:55] <ethana3> i have no idea
[06:55] <ethana3> probably
[06:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Hmmm...  well here's hoping   : )
[06:55] <ethana3> yes.
[06:56] <ethana3> 'I can't wait' is an innacurate phrase
[06:56] <ethana3> it needs to go away
[06:57] <ethana3> So I'm in Alaska..
[06:58] <ethana3> how many time zones from the international date line?
[06:58] <superm1> Hm so no update-manager-core in dapper-proposed.  What's the proper way to do dapper->hardy upgrades then in server cases?
[06:59] <ethana3> dapper to hardy?
[06:59] <superm1> yes
[06:59] <ethana3> wow
[06:59] <ethana3> defgh..
[06:59] <superm1> they are both LTS releases
[06:59] <superm1> so its a supported upgrade case
[06:59] <ethana3> yes..
[06:59] <ethana3> interesting
[07:00] <ethana3> was fiesty LTS?
[07:00] <superm1> no it wasn't
[07:00] <superm1> dapper was the first LTS
[07:00] <superm1> hardy is the second
[07:00] <ethana3> ohh
[07:00] <ethana3> so it's not every other one
[07:00] <ethana3> interesting...
[07:02] <superm1> i'm sure i won't be the only one going through this upgrade route
[07:02] <superm1> possible its not sorted out yet though i guess
[07:02] <ethana3> yeah
[07:02] <ethana3> i don't know how much i trust those upgrade scripts...
[07:02] <ethana3> hardy is the first release that supports my machine...
[07:03] <ethana3> and when it asked to replace xorg.conf..
[07:03] <superm1> they've worked fine for me in the past
[07:03] <ethana3> i forgot to say 'leave it be'
[07:03] <superm1> i had a box that went breezy->dapper->edgy->feisty
[07:03] <superm1> and then hard drive died
[07:03] <ethana3> lol
[07:03] <ethana3> so there was no c
[07:03] <superm1> No there wasn't
[07:04] <ethana3> interesting..  i wonder if there will be an i
[07:04] <ethana3> ingenious i......
[07:04] <ethana3> man, I can't think of anything..
[07:05] <wastrel> my work box is edgy->feisty->gusty  so far
[07:05] <wastrel> will add hardy after release
[07:05] <ethana3> yeah
[07:06] <ethana3> i wonder if i'd be better off if i had more patience...
[07:06] <ethana3> maybe i just get too excited about software
[07:06] <soopurman> industrious iguana ?
[07:06] <ethana3> i rationalize it by saying i'm participating..
[07:06] <ethana3> there you go!
[07:06] <ethana3> iguana!
[07:06] <ethana3> now do they have them in africa?
[07:07] <soopurman> probably not - plus it's too much like openSUSE ?
[07:07] <ethana3> ah
[07:07] <ethana3> i would love to see novell and google cosign ubuntu
[07:07] <ethana3> ;)
[07:09] <ethana3> what if they changed the theme for the next five releases?
[07:09] <ethana3> different continent?
[07:11] <DanaG> argh.
[07:11] <DanaG> dang ctrl key got stuck thinking it was pressed.
[07:11] <superm1> FWIW: bug 186694
[07:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186694 in update-manager-core "update-manager-core dapper backport" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186694
[07:12] <superm1> that is the route that things will be going
[07:14] <soopurman> how about "industrious insect" ? . . . too general?
[07:14] <ethana3> yeah
[07:15] <wastrel> incontinent ibex
[07:15] <ethana3> i'd be tempted to launch an advertising campaign
[07:15] <ethana3> and call it the ingenious insurrection
[07:15] <ethana3> ibex?
[07:16] <ethana3> i'd google it, but i don't have a worki--- dillo
[07:16] <ethana3> dillo can do google
[07:17] <ethana3> ahh
[07:17] <ethana3> ibex is an animal
[07:17] <ethana3> clever
[07:20] <soopurman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animal_names doesn't help much at all
[07:20] <wastrel> ibex ibis, iguana, impala
[07:20] <wastrel> off the top of my head
[07:21] <ethana3> impala
[07:21] <ethana3> chevy
[07:21] <soopurman> so many I-adjectives are negative: imbecile, immature, immobile...
[07:21] <ethana3> ingrate
[07:21] <ethana3> idiot
[07:21] <ethana3> yes.
[07:21] <ethana3> things that end in -imp, too
[07:22] <ethana3> i was over on #gimp..
[07:22] <ethana3> and everything is just..
[07:22] <ethana3> bad
[07:22] <ethana3> 'okay, yesterday we covered layers, today we're going to study gimp masks'
[07:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and how about #gentoo ... I went there to ask a kernel question, since I figure those people must tweak things like schedulers.
[07:22] <DanaG> And they said, "You don't use Gentoo?  Leave."
[07:22] <ethana3> lol
[07:23] <ethana3> i use their wiki and forums sometimes...
[07:23] <ethana3> but i've never been to their irc
[07:23] <DanaG> It was more like an impression of "I'm'a gonna' kick you."
[07:23] <ethana3> yeah..
[07:23] <ethana3> was linus there ;)
[07:24] <DanaG> I didn't notice.
[07:24] <ethana3> ah
[07:24] <ethana3> Michael Dell uses Ubuntu... so we win
[07:24] <ethana3> lol
[07:25] <wastrel> ibex ibis ichneumon iguana iiwi ipiti isatis ithomiid iulus izard
[07:25] <wastrel> http://phrontistery.info/animals.html   ^^^
[07:25] <wastrel> bah wrong chan
[07:25] <ethana3> ah
[07:25] <ethana3> lol
[07:27] <ethana3> #ubuntu+2 seems to be empty
[07:27] <ethana3> ;)
[07:29] <ethana3> How many releases left until it can say "I'm sorry, Dave; I can't do that." ?
[07:29] <ethana3> my name's not Dave, but that would be a nifty effect for the smarthouses i want to outfit
[07:29] <soopurman> maybe it won't.  maybe it would say, "sure thing dave, right away sir, anything for you dave"
[07:29] <ethana3> i would like sphinx and festival integration
[07:29] <ethana3> lol
[07:30] <ethana3> but that's /after/ you use policykit to take its runlevel up to where it can
[07:30] <soopurman> lol
[07:31] <ethana3> you see the xkcd with GladOS and that AI?
[07:31] <ethana3> I thought it was hilarious
[07:31] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-5-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 24 19:45:21 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:31] <DanaG> that's my system.
[07:31] <ethana3> yeah, i thought i got the d wrong
[07:31] <DanaG> uname -a
[07:31] <ethana3> cap*
[07:31] <ethana3> that's funny..
[07:31] <ethana3> nice name
[07:32] <ethana3> hey, that'd be a sweet distro
[07:32] <ethana3> actually just make a distro called GlaDOS
[07:33] <ethana3> when you delete something it would tell you it was tearing it to pieces and throwing every piece into a fire
[07:33] <ethana3> and if you turned out to need that file later, what it just did would break your heart and kill you
[07:34] <ethana3> ..then it would tell you if you used the terminal instead of nautilus to manage files again it would eat your cake, too
[07:35] <ethana3> .../nevermind/
[07:35] <soopurman> on the subject of xkcd and question of who's in charge... i prefer this classic: http://xkcd.com/149/
[07:36] <ethana3> yes.
[07:37] <ethana3> symbolic link in /usr/bin: simonsays -> sudo
[07:37] <ethana3> brb
[07:38] <DanaG> Look at latest xkcd.
[07:38] <DanaG> (I use gedit.)
[07:41] <ethana3> nice
[07:42] <ethana3> yeah, i use kate and gedit too
[07:42] <ethana3> although when things break and die, vim's my man
[07:42] <DanaG> I use nano -w
[07:42] <DanaG> because stupid default is to HARD WRAP files.
[07:43] <ethana3> my dad used to memorize z80 instructions
[07:43] <DanaG> By putting CARRIAGE RETURNS into the document!
[07:43] <ethana3> and input them into eeproms manually
[07:43] <ethana3> dead serious
[07:43] <ethana3> binary
[07:43] <ethana3> and then he went the way of Visual Basic
[07:43] <ethana3> FAIL
[07:43] <ethana3> ;)
[07:45] <ethana3> if its not expected within the next 2 hours, I should go to bed..
[07:46] <ethana3> so i can wake up early to keep waiting for it
[07:51] <ethana3> boredom can be painful when your only working browser is dillo
[07:51] <ethana3> i really have nothing to do now
[07:51] <ethana3> none of my software works
[07:51] <ethana3> except like 5 apps, including this one (kopete)
[07:51] <ethana3> yes.
[07:52] <ethana3> I'll see you in the morning
[07:52] <LionRock> :P
[08:11] <Gnine>  /part b0rked
[08:36] <nemilar> hey are the alpha CDs liveCDs or just installs?
[08:38] <LT_Tuvok> checking the webpage would have been a logical first option
[08:38] <nemilar> me?
[08:38] <nemilar> I just checked
[08:38] <nemilar> I was already on the irc so I figured I'd ask
[08:42] <LT_Tuvok> Most ubuntu cds are live, unless you specifically download the alternative cd.
 should be the 'windows' key for keybindings in gconf right?
[08:42] <nemilar> True...I figured maybe it'd be different since it's a dev
[08:42] <LT_Tuvok> That being said, alpha-4 cd page is not operational.
[08:42] <nemilar> yeah I know
[08:42] <cwillu> nemilar, livecd's need dev releases too :p
[08:43] <LT_Tuvok> However, one could install Alpha-3, and simply dist-upgrade to alpha-4
[08:43] <LT_Tuvok> As I have dist-upgraded from Warty
[08:43] <LT_Tuvok> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-3/
[08:44] <nemilar> I'll just wait until tomorrow ;)
[08:44] <LT_Tuvok> Fear, is irrational.
[08:45] <LT_Tuvok> Curious, you perceive some benefit in waiting.
[08:46] <nemilar> uhhh
[08:46] <nemilar> riiiiiight
[08:47] <LT_Tuvok> He is not ready for any alpha release if he already demonstrates an inability to use google, much less think outside the box.
[08:54] <Mohero|work> 'lo all
[08:55] <Mohero|work> no Alpha 4 yet...?
[09:21] <Gnine> looks like last update got my 8.04 back on track. good job there.
[09:22] <tokok> Gnine: thanks, i was happy to fix it!
[09:38] <hibbert> does anyone know if the wlan kernel modules are included now???
[10:11] <Gnine> http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iU4Lq7tOR_WVOJLZ3IeRaIH03x6w
[10:26] <ethana3> Gnine: very nice
[11:02] <shirish> I am getting this error  Warning: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[11:02] <shirish> anybody has any idea about this?
[11:17] <ethana3> shirish: what context?
[11:17] <ethana3> oh, that person left
[11:18] <ethana3> ははは
[11:18] <ethana3> i've never used scim in kde before
[11:19] <ethana3> i am pleased to see that it still works on my machine
[11:19] <ethana3> わたしわじょうすです
[11:19] <rsk> 8)
[11:21] <ethana3> yes.
[11:22] <ethana3> I can't stay awake waiting for alpha4 any more tonight.  Hopefully it'll be out by the time i'm conscious again
[11:22] <ethana3> see y'all later
[12:45] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[12:45] <Skiessl> what to do when apt-get update says "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room"
[12:46] <Skiessl> ...ok I just go google it
[13:32] <Skiessl> Reading package lists... Error!
[13:32] <Skiessl> emgent: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of
[13:32] <Skiessl> what to do now?
[13:32] <rsk> report bug
[13:33] <Skiessl> is there a faster way than Launchpad?
[13:33] <emgent> Skiessl, where is the problem?
[13:33] <emgent> :O
[13:34] <Skiessl> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54322/ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54324/
[13:36] <Skiessl> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54327/ without translation
[13:36] <flipstar> Skiessl: why do you have different releases in the sources.list ?
[13:36] <flipstar> this makes no sense
[13:37] <flipstar> try to comment out all unneded sources
[13:37] <Skiessl> I've been using combined lists more than a year
[13:38] <Skiessl> but when I added the debian list it doesn't work anymore
[13:39] <Skiessl> but why? there shouldn't be a limit for what apt can handle
[13:39] <flipstar> for what purpose you using a combined list ?
[13:39] <flipstar> it just make no sense to me
[13:40] <flipstar> it says the number of version..you have hardy AND gutsy AND feisty ..
[13:40] <Skiessl> some packages don't work without some which are removed from the newer lists
[13:41] <flipstar> possible that suddenly a conflict appered with the mixed packages
[13:41] <Skiessl> and it's more compatible when using a development version
[14:24] <Davo_Dinkum> Where's the Alpha 4 release?
[14:27] <flipstar> comming soon
[14:28] <Davo_Dinkum> Ah right. Impatient me. It hasn't been today for long.
[14:30] <hydrogen> it's been today for 14 hours..
[14:30] <hydrogen> you should be up in arms
[14:32] <Davo_Dinkum> Damn timezones
[14:32] <Davo_Dinkum> 01:39 < Davo_Dinkum> Damn timezones
[16:41] <shirish> hi all, is anybody having g_object assertion stuff?
[16:41] <shirish> something like /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/deluge/dialogs.py:524: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[16:42] <shirish>   chooser.destroy()
[16:42] <shirish> any ideas?
[17:28] <FunnyLookinHat> Digg it!  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Hardy_Heron_Alpha_4_Released
[17:29] <rsk> i don't dig it
[17:29] <rsk> but i sure as hell like it
[17:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Hahaha
[17:30] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm stoked..  gonna install the KDE4 release on my macbook for kicks and giggles
[17:31] <scizzo-> anyone else noticed that apt-get -u dist-upgrade sometimes does not actually ask if you want to do the upgrade or not?
[17:31] <scizzo-> it does not give me the [Y/n] option anymore
[17:33] <flipstar> alpha4 is released..?? where!??
[17:33] <rsk> flipstar: i guess on ubuntu mirrors and ftp's ?
[17:34] <flipstar> nothing on http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/ or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/ ..
[17:34] <rsk> yea
[17:34] <rsk> FunnyLookinHat it's not out yet
[17:35] <rsk> please delete that post
[17:35] <scizzo-> when the images are ready it will be up on www.ubuntu.com/testing
[17:37] <LT_Tuvok> whhy are ppl waiting to download alpha-4 instead of just installing alpha-3?
[17:38] <tokok> LT_Tuvok: ppl are not so clever like you
[17:38] <LT_Tuvok> I truly do not see the logic.
[17:38] <LT_Tuvok> I suppose.
[17:38] <tokok> lol
[17:39] <LT_Tuvok> Do they not understand how an apt-get dist-upgrade works?
[17:39] <LT_Tuvok> If not, should they really be using alphaware?
[17:40] <underwatercow> What exactly is PulseAudio? Is it similar to ALSA?
[17:40] <rsk> no
[17:40] <LT_Tuvok> wow
[17:40] <rsk> similar to esd and arts
[17:41] <underwatercow> rsk: I hate to be a bother, but could you put that into layman's terms for me?
[17:41] <underwatercow> ;-D
[17:41] <rsk> no
[17:41] <rsk> or i can try
[17:41] <rsk> it's a sound server
[17:41] <rsk> for alsa/oss
[17:41] <LT_Tuvok> underwatercow, The PulseAudio webpage or wikipedia, or the google could better explain.
[17:42] <underwatercow> I looked it up, but the overviews I read weren't very helpful to me
[17:42] <underwatercow> I get it a bit better now though, thanks
[17:42] <LT_Tuvok> Those are normally the first source for enlightenment.
[17:42] <underwatercow> will hardy use it by default?
[17:43] <LT_Tuvok> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio
[17:43] <LT_Tuvok> http://www.google.com/search?q=pulseaudio+hardy+heron&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[17:44] <LT_Tuvok> Hardy Heron Alpha 2 is the second alpha release of Ubuntu 8.04, ... PulseAudio enabled by default.
[17:44] <LT_Tuvok> underwatercow, can you get to google?
[17:44] <underwatercow> yes...?
[17:45] <LT_Tuvok> Well then why ask these easily googled questions?
[17:45] <underwatercow> Obviously because I didn't like the answers google gave me
[17:45] <LT_Tuvok> Google provides the answers much faster.
[17:45] <LT_Tuvok> Well they ARE the answers
[17:45] <underwatercow> I liked rsk's answer much better
[17:46] <flipstar> !info pulseaudio
[17:46] <LT_Tuvok> You like spoon fed information you meant?
[17:46] <flipstar> is more faster
[17:46] <ubotu> pulseaudio (source: pulseaudio): PulseAudio sound server. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.9-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 260 kB, installed size 996 kB
[17:46] <underwatercow> lol
[17:46] <underwatercow> more faster?
[17:46] <underwatercow> what kind of grammar is that :-p
[17:46] <flipstar> if youre already in an irc channel with an info bot ;)
[17:47] <underwatercow> yeah, I forget about the  bots
[17:47] <flipstar> oh i dont know just compiling sentences with my broken english
[17:47] <underwatercow> what language do you speak primarily?
[17:47] <flipstar> german
[17:48] <underwatercow> ah, well, apologies for giving you a hard time then. :-p
[17:48] <flipstar> np you where right anyway it has to be called more fast or smth
[17:48] <underwatercow> smth?
[17:48] <flipstar> something
[17:48] <underwatercow> oh
[17:49] <underwatercow> lol, haven't seen that before to mean that
[17:49] <flipstar> i would also complain if someone would abuse my language lol
[17:49] <underwatercow> and "more fast" still sounds weird... just "faster" sounds better
[17:49] <underwatercow> :)
[17:50] <flipstar> aight is saved
[17:51] <underwatercow> does anyone happen to know if alpha 4 is going to be release today? or does it still have blocking issues?
[17:53] <ethana3> well i guess I'm happy they're not pushing it out until the blockers are fixed
[17:53] <ethana3> if that is indeed the case
[17:53] <ethana3> i guess i'd rather wait a day or three than deal with a bunch of severe issues right off the bat
[17:53] <underwatercow> yeah, wouldn't really make sense to put out a milestone release with blocking issues...
[17:53] <ethana3> yes.
[17:54] <underwatercow> but I'm also an impatient american... is that redundant? ;-D
[17:54] <ethana3> lol
[17:54] <ethana3> i'm an alaskan
[17:54] <ethana3> and alaska is more american than america is.
[17:54] <ethana3> i win
[17:55] <underwatercow> lol
[17:55] <underwatercow> alaska isn't part of America
[17:55] <ethana3> ;)
[17:55] <underwatercow> we're going to invade soon though and bring democracy to your great land...
[17:55] <ethana3> i actually drove here from omaha
[17:55] <ethana3> it's a state, you know that right?
[17:56] <underwatercow> nope... it and hawaii aren't part of the US
[17:56] <ethana3> you mean the lower 48?
[17:56] <underwatercow> lol
[17:57] <underwatercow> US means "UNITED states"
[17:57] <ethana3> ha.  ha.  ha.
[17:57] <underwatercow> :-D
[17:57] <ethana3> the US is a nation
[17:57] <ethana3> I'm thinking Korea and Japan are better
[17:57] <underwatercow> and free nations do not develop weapons of mass destruction!
[17:58] <ethana3> ...I'm thinking Korea and Japan are better...
[17:58] <ethana3> but that's mainly broadband speed.
[17:58] <underwatercow> sorry, I was quoting our "great" leader
[17:58] <ethana3> what?
[17:58] <ethana3> ohh
[17:58] <ethana3> lol
[17:58] <underwatercow> Bush said "Free nations do not develop weapons of mass destruction"
[17:58] <ethana3> Ron Paul FTW!
[17:58] <underwatercow> Is he still in?
[17:58] <ethana3> I don't know
[17:59] <underwatercow> I'm not really sure I want any of the candidates...
[17:59] <ethana3> same.
[17:59] <underwatercow> Is that an option?
[17:59] <ethana3> if not ron paul, they're all scary
[17:59] <underwatercow> I'm pretty sure there's no way a republican could win this time
[17:59] <ethana3> yeah...
[17:59] <ethana3> unless it was Ron Paul
[18:00] <underwatercow> and there are no real strong republican candidates
[18:00] <ethana3> but he can't really win the primaries
[18:00] <ethana3> because nobody /thinks/ he can win
[18:00] <underwatercow> yeah
[18:00] <ethana3> and they don't want to waste their vote
[18:00] <ethana3> vicious cycle
[18:00] <underwatercow> so it's just down to... Clinton or Obama?
[18:00] <ethana3> Clinton would be horrible
[18:00] <underwatercow> lol
[18:00] <underwatercow> yeah, I'm hoping for Obama I guess
[18:00] <ethana3> my dad doesn't trust Obama..
[18:00] <ethana3> but he
[18:00] <ethana3> 's said some interesting things
[18:01] <scizzo-> !bug 181843
[18:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181843 in apt "[hardy] apt-get doenst ask confirmation" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181843
[18:01] <underwatercow> We need a system like they have in... Australia I think... where you can vote multiple times and if your primary candidate loses, your votes goes to you next person.
[18:02] <r00723r0> Hi, I'm running Hardy and my resolution recently downgraded to something along the lines of 1024x768. Naturally, I can't reconfigure xserver-xorg because it doesn't exist. What do I do?
[18:03] <ethana3> oooh, that's a good idea
[18:03] <ethana3> you mean xorg.conf doesn't exist?
[18:03] <flipstar> !resolution | r00723r0
[18:03] <ubotu> r00723r0: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[18:04] <ethana3> wow, I didn't know you could use pipes here ;)
[18:04] <projektdotnet> ubotu what if xserver is already running wouldn't ctrl + alt + backspace also do the trick?
[18:04] <r00723r0> No, I mean I can't reconfigure xserver-xorg. xorg.conf exists. Furthermore, the resolution thing in the gnome-control-center doesn't fix shit.
[18:05] <ethana3> Screens and Graphics
[18:05] <ethana3> will eat your children
[18:05] <projektdotnet> if that isn't the truth
[18:05] <r00723r0> flipstar, I know of the information in that link, but thanks.
[18:05] <flipstar> right try using wmressel or similar r00723r0
[18:07] <r00723r0> It's not working either.
[18:07] <flipstar> uhm you have an nvidia or ati card ?
[18:08] <flipstar> if nvidia try nvidia-settings
[18:08] <r00723r0> Sorry 'bout that.
[18:08] <flipstar> uhm you have an nvidia or ati card ?
[18:08] <flipstar> if nvidia try nvidia-settings
[18:10] <r00723r0> Alright, let's see if that works.
[18:12] <r00723r0> Nope.
[18:12] <r00723r0> Same shit.
[18:12] <r00723r0> Whoa.
[18:12] <flipstar> then something is going badly wrong
[18:12] <r00723r0> I am pretty sure I'm running in 32-bit right now.
[18:12] <r00723r0> (npviewer.bin:7085): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libmurrine.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[18:12] <projektdotnet> r00723r0 what is it you're trying to accomplish I came in mid-conversation
[18:13] <r00723r0> projektdotnet, my resolution is destroyed.
[18:13] <r00723r0> That is fucked up.
[18:13] <flipstar> btw what did you do ?
[18:13] <r00723r0> Restarted.
[18:13] <flipstar> oh
[18:13] <projektdotnet> have you tried just removing xorg.conf then sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p high xserver-xorg ?
[18:13] <r00723r0> projektdotnet, the problems go deeper than that.
[18:14] <projektdotnet> Figured as much just thought I'd ask
[18:14] <Amaranth> I'm guessing you don't have a 64-bit machine
[18:15] <r00723r0> I do.
[18:15] <r00723r0> That's the problem.
[18:15] <Amaranth> ok...
[18:15] <Amaranth> Time to reinstall. :)
[18:15] <r00723r0> It's telling me the WRONG elf class is 64-bit.
[18:15] <flipstar> btw if you have an 64 bit machine you dont have to use an 64bit os..
[18:16] <r00723r0> I have to reinstall?
[18:16] <Amaranth> Shouldn't matter if you do, hardy should only be installed on a machine you don't care to lose
[18:16] <flipstar> comes there an error message in nvidia-settings or wmressel ?
[18:16] <r00723r0> Comes not; but my display kind of freezes.
[18:17] <flipstar> did you ran it from konsole ?
[18:17] <Amaranth> Ok, let's back up
[18:17] <flipstar> theres more output
[18:17] <Amaranth> r00723r0: What is your problem?
[18:17] <flipstar> screen resolution low
[18:17] <r00723r0> Amaranth, the original problem was that my resolution isn't 1280x800 like my monitor deserves.
[18:17] <Amaranth> r00723r0: Ok, and what video card do you have?
[18:18] <r00723r0> nVidia 7600GT.
[18:18] <Amaranth> Sorry to make you repeat stuff, I just got here
[18:18] <r00723r0> No problem :)
[18:18] <Amaranth> Alright, did you already try deleteing xorg.conf and using dpkg-reconfigure to remake it?
[18:18] <r00723r0> No resolution utility is changing my resolution back to what I wanted.
[18:19] <r00723r0> And yes, it's telling me xserver-xorg is not a package.
[18:19] <Amaranth> hrm
[18:19] <Amaranth> Alright, forget that
[18:19] <Amaranth> !fixres
[18:19] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[18:19] <r00723r0> There we go.
[18:19] <r00723r0> Suddenly started working for some reason.
[18:19] <flipstar> nice
[18:19] <flipstar> there must be an random factor in hardy
[18:19] <Amaranth> I'm in vista right now so this is all from memory :P
[18:19] <Amaranth> Random factor in the video driver, maybe
[18:20] <Amaranth> Sometimes it spits out the right info for the display, someimes it doesn't, I guess
[18:20] <Amaranth> if that is indeed the problem
[18:21] <r00723r0> WTF.
[18:21] <r00723r0> It's not asking for my video card or anything.
[18:21] <Amaranth> r00723r0: What isn't?
[18:22] <r00723r0> dpkg-reconfigure.
[18:22] <Amaranth> ah, right, I believe the default setting is "just figure it out for me"
[18:23] <Amaranth> So it'd probably pick nv
[18:23] <r00723r0> No, I set the priority to low, and it puts *nothing* into the video card section.
[18:23] <Amaranth> ah
[18:23] <Amaranth> Well, the xserver in hardy doesn't actually _need_ an xorg.conf so maybe some changes have been made in the debconf stuff for it
[18:25] <r00723r0> Don't get it.
[18:30] <r00723r0> So I saved my configuration from nvidia-settings.
[18:30] <r00723r0> Instead of dpkg-reconfigure.
[18:30] <r00723r0> Gonna restart now.
[18:30] <r00723r0> This might be bad.
[18:30] <flipstar> good luck anyway
[18:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Digg it!  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Hardy_Heron_Alpha_4_Released
[18:32] <flipstar> thats a fuc**** lie FunnyLookinHat
[18:32] <shirish> hi all anybody getting stuff like (gecko:8866): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[18:32] <FunnyLookinHat> flipstar lol
[18:33] <FunnyLookinHat> flipstar at least the wiki page is up, soon teh cd images will be out.
[18:33] <shirish> I have been getting the  g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed thing again & again in different applications throughout the day.
[18:34] <flipstar> the wiki page is up since months
[18:34] <shirish> gedit, deluge, firefox u name it, it happened.
[18:34] <shirish> even pidgin
[18:38] <r00723r0> Well, it seems to work.
[18:38] <r00723r0> Thanks everyone.
[18:44] <zoli2k> Hi! Anyone get "Clocksource tsc unstable" message and system halt at boot with the actual generic kernel?
[18:45] <zoli2k> Toshiba Satelite A200 laptop.
[18:47] <Amaranth> Yay bad hardware
[18:48] <zoli2k> ok I will put it in to garbage :)
[18:48] <zoli2k> I had no problem on gutsy
[18:48] <zoli2k> with i386 I am able to boot
[18:49] <bytor4232> I tried installing the nightly build xubuntu live CD from last night.  All I got in the live environment was the brown screen.
[18:49] <bytor4232> Is that normal?
[18:50] <bytor4232> What is the normal procedure for installing Hardy?  Download the ISO or run "update-manager -d"
[18:50] <bytor4232> from 7.10
[18:51] <flipstar> both is possible i did the update-manager thing
[18:52] <bytor4232> hm
[18:52] <bytor4232> maybe its my nvidia card.
[18:53] <zoli2k> but just with 1 working core on Core 2 Duo
[18:53] <bytor4232> It was this iso:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[18:54] <bytor4232> Datestamp was Feb 1
[18:54] <bytor4232> Syslinux booted fine, but it stalled on the brown screen.  No desktop at all.
[19:03] <WorkingOnWise> Is java and flash working with alpha3?
[19:06] <flipstar> in firefox3 beta 2 java works for me
[19:08] <WorkingOnWise> grrrr....I'm a dork....left out a minor detail.... amd64
[19:10] <forsaken> just wanted to say that alpha 4 is much better than 3, it
[19:10] <forsaken> 's getting a lot more stable :)
[19:10] <flipstar> how do you know ?
[19:11] <WorkingOnWise> just finished the updates to make mine alpha 4. glad to hear the report
[19:11] <forsaken> flipstar, because i'm using it?
[19:12] <forsaken> or is it not released yet
[19:12] <flipstar> no
[19:12] <flipstar> it aint
[19:12] <forsaken> i just got some of the 100+ updates from last night, and it seems much better
[19:12] <forsaken> thats all :)
[19:12] <forsaken> gvfs seems to be working
[19:12] <forsaken> better
[19:13] <shirish> has anybody had issues like crashes with a cryptic : g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed statement at the end.
[19:15] <WorkingOnWise> thought is was released yesterday?
[19:15] <WorkingOnWise> oh well....
[19:15] <flipstar> it should..
[19:21] <flipstar> shirish: try to change your theme and checks if the application runs then ..
[19:45] <ethana4> ..any change?
[19:49] <ethana4> awake again
[19:49] <ethana4> ... does anyone know if they've fixed whatever they were trying to fix?
[19:49] <ethana4> were there a few blockers that had to be resolved?
[19:57] <NoelJB> ethana3: ENOCLUE.  But we're all in the same boat, waiting to test the next alpha release drop.
[20:12] <calamari> hi
[20:13] <calamari> I'm receiving this error trying to open Lotus Notes under Hardy: XError Code:11;  XError Text:BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)  CreateCompatibleBitmap failed
[20:13] <calamari> A little web search gave me this page http://jdevelopment.nl/eclipse/ubuntu-and-eclipse-the-error-was-badalloc-insufficient-resources-for-operation/
[20:14] <calamari> Now, that's not the same version of xserver-xorg-core I have, since I have the hardy version (2:1.4.1~git200)
[20:14] <calamari> but I am curious if the fixes to the gutsy version have also been applied to the hardy version.. i.e. was hardy regressed as well?
[20:16] <calamari> 2:1.4.1~git20080118-1ubuntu2
[20:18] <calamari> anyone here?
[20:23] <ethana4> well..
[20:23] <ethana4> I'm here
[20:23] <ethana4> but i don't know near enough to help your particular situation
[20:24] <tokok> ok i decided just download daily build
[20:24] <calamari> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/183969
[20:24] <tokok> and not a4
[20:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183969 in xorg-server "xserver-xorg-core update breaks java & wxwidgets apps" [Critical,Fix released]
[20:24] <calamari> going to try the radeon fix mentioned there
[20:24] <NoelJB> calamari: no info on your URL as to what the defect was, but I would assume that Hardy has a later (post-fix) copy of the upstream code.  Have you looked on launchpad.net to see if there was a bug report filed?
[20:24] <tokok> that bug was in 7.10 too
[20:27] <mohbana> hi guys i making icalendar sort of program but i need to verify if my .ics file is correctly formatted, what programs allows me to add dates from a .ics file?
[20:27] <flipstar> kontact does
[20:28] <calamari> NoelJB, no I didn't.. just foundthe one on launchpad.. maybe people were doing it wrong, but I saw reports from Edgy, Feisty, and Gutsy uses at that url  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/183969
[20:29] <wastrel> ics
[20:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183969 in xorg-server "xserver-xorg-core update breaks java & wxwidgets apps" [Critical,Fix released]
[20:29] <calamari> trying the radeon fix.. brb :)
[20:32] <calamari> no luck
[20:32] <calamari> and now my screen is really slow.. hehe
[20:35] <calamari> is it possible to downgrade my x stuff to gutsy/  I tried doing it in synaptic and it wanted to remove xorg and etc
[20:35] <NoelJB> mohbana: this channel is for the Hardy Heron Alpha tests.  You might want to visit #ubuntu
[20:36] <calamari> I was lured by Xorg 7.3 to Hardy.. oops! hehe
[20:40] <mohbana> NoelJB, ok just one more question are you guys going to include the lastest build ofe eclipse with the new ver?
[20:42] <NoelJB> mohbana: I am not one of "you guys", so I have no idea.
[20:43] <Amaranth> calamari: You can't downgrade
[20:43] <NoelJB> Eclipse packaging for Ubuntu is maintained by Ubuntu MOTU Developers, so you can contact them.
[20:43] <NoelJB> They also have an IRC channel
[20:47] <calamari> this seems to have let me downgrade aptitude install xserver-xorg-core=2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8
[20:52] <calamari> rebooting
[20:58] <WorkingOnWise> anyone have java in firefox2 or 3 on amd64? what plugin works for you?
[21:00] <NoelJB> WorkingOnWise: yes, but on Gutsy, which is #ubuntu
[21:01] <NoelJB> WorkingOnWise: see http://www.mutaku.com/geeklog/article.php?story=20080116181440588 and/or search Google.  Somewhere I have a script I wrote to do the entire setup.
[21:02] <WorkingOnWise> NoelJB: does gutsy have the same problem with java in and64?
[21:02] <WorkingOnWise> amd64
[21:02] <LT_Tuvok> of course
[21:02] <LT_Tuvok> 64bit is 64bit
[21:03] <LT_Tuvok> you might want to catch up on some googling
[21:03] <WorkingOnWise> LT_Tuvok: that doesnt mean that gutsy ans hardy will share all the same ills
[21:03] <LT_Tuvok> yes it does
[21:03] <LT_Tuvok> 64bit is 64bit
[21:04] <LT_Tuvok> Get your google on
[21:04] <LT_Tuvok> the answer is readily available on the internet
[21:04] <LT_Tuvok> look
[21:04] <NoelJB> WorkingOnWise: in this case, if you want a Java applet, the common solution is to install 32bit Firefox to do so.  Having a 32 bit browser on a 64bit OS to handle certain plugins is a common solution.
[21:04] <WorkingOnWise> LT_Tuvok: well, in Gutsy I have perfectly fine consoles with the nvidia drivers.....why not in hardy?
[21:05] <WorkingOnWise> NoelJB: I was hopingto avoid that again, but I have gone that rout and it does seem to work well
[21:05] <LT_Tuvok> there is many things you fail to understand, which is evident in your line of questioning.
[21:05] <NoelJB> WorkingOnWise: In Hardy I have perfectly fine consoles with nvidia, too.  Early on, I installed the nvidia driver manually from their site.  About a week ago, it started working as part of the standard ubuntu update process.
[21:05] <WorkingOnWise> LT_Tuvok: no, u said 64bit is 64bit
[21:05] <LT_Tuvok> and you still don't get it
[21:06] <LT_Tuvok> Tuvok, out
[21:06] <WorkingOnWise> Good
[21:06] <WorkingOnWise> bye
[21:06] <WorkingOnWise> knid
[21:06] <WorkingOnWise> (cough)
[21:06]  * LT_Tuvok flush
[21:06] <WorkingOnWise> sir
[21:07] <WorkingOnWise> anyway, not that that rude butt is fixed
[21:07] <ethana4> so sun open sourced java..
[21:07] <ethana4> how does that figure in here?
[21:07] <ethana4> are we seeing the benefits of that yet?
[21:08] <WorkingOnWise> NoelJB: my consoles are still a streaked mess
[21:08] <nemilar> Any news on whether Alpha4 is going to be out today?
[21:09] <ethana4> just a bunch of people waiting
[21:09] <flipstar> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/hardy-alpha-4
[21:09] <ethana4> thank you
[21:09] <LT_Tuvok> waiting for nothing
[21:09] <WorkingOnWise> NoelJB: I think it's because my laptops bios doesnt allow x to probe properly
[21:09] <NoelJB> WorkingOnWise: not enough to go on, I'm afraid.  'bout all I can say is WFM.  T61p with all Hardy updates applied.
[21:09] <ethana4> link
[21:09] <ethana4> so we're down to one critical
[21:09] <ethana4> nope, it's been fixed..
[21:10] <ethana4> it looks like they're fixing a compiz issue
[21:11] <LT_Tuvok> anyone of you guys actually running hardy atm?
[21:11] <ethana4> my desktop
[21:11] <WorkingOnWise> NoelJB: lol...I wish I had more to give...all I know is it's fine till the Nvidia driver loads, then it pukes...but, about a week ago I was able to reboot without having to reinstall the nvidia driver befofe I went into gnome
[21:11] <NoelJB> LT_Tuvok: this very minute?  No.  Gutsy.  I can boot into Hardy if need be.  Why?
[21:11] <NoelJB> I last ran it about 8 hours ago.
[21:12] <flipstar> i got hardy running all the time
[21:12] <LT_Tuvok> just wondering if those waiting for alpha-4 are actually running alpha-4 already and don't know
[21:12] <LT_Tuvok> because a dist-upgrade makes the alpha-4 iso a moot issue no?
[21:12] <ethana4> does it count as a dist-upgrade just between alphas?
[21:12] <ethana4> that's interesting..
[21:12] <NoelJB> flipstar: when they would fix the problem with hotswap bay freezing the system, I'll put gutsy on the backburner.
[21:13] <flipstar> i just updated it to hardy :)
[21:13] <NoelJB> LT_Tuvok: I just like to do a totally clean (reformat and install) with each alpha.  :-)
[21:13] <LT_Tuvok> "count"?
[21:13] <LT_Tuvok> reformat?
[21:13] <LT_Tuvok> most illogical
[21:14] <flipstar> NoelJB: does this make a difference ?
[21:14] <ethana4> ha...
[21:14] <ethana4> I mean like, each alpha isn't a distribution release as far as updates, right?
[21:15] <LT_Tuvok> continue to prove my point please
[21:16] <nemilar> It's..just another alpha update
[21:16] <nemilar> 8.04-aX would be a good way to put it
[21:16] <LT_Tuvok> soopurman, if you are running hardy, you are running hardy
[21:16] <LT_Tuvok> dunno how I typed that guys name
[21:16] <LT_Tuvok> disregard soop
[21:16] <soopurman> no worries
[21:17] <LT_Tuvok> :)
[21:17] <nemilar> I just want the alpha4 iso
[21:18] <nemilar> is that so much to ask :(
[21:18] <ethana4> well..  potentially
[21:18] <ethana4> we don't want them to rush
[21:18] <nemilar> or, apparently
[21:18] <nemilar> yeah, that's true
[21:18] <ethana4> I imagine they're very aware of the situation
[21:19] <ethana4> and I think..
[21:19] <nemilar> it tends to be the case that those working on it, are more frustrated about being over-due than those waiting for it
[21:19] <ethana4> I'd rather wait an extra two days than have to deal with horrible problems myself
[21:19] <ethana4> yeah
[21:20] <nemilar> It's just I have no classes on Fridays and the weather is terrible today, so I was planning to check out HH today
[21:20] <ethana4> I'm home schooled
[21:20] <ethana4> ^_^
[21:21] <LT_Tuvok> you guys are in high school?
[21:21] <ethana4> senior
[21:21] <ethana4> don't know about nem
[21:22] <LT_Tuvok> my apologies, I understand now
[21:22] <LT_Tuvok> carry on
[21:22] <ethana4> understand what?
[21:23] <nemilar> college, senior
[21:23] <ethana4> ah, 4 years different
[21:23] <LT_Tuvok> nemilar, that was humorous above
[21:23] <nemilar> those 4 years go by really really fast, btw
[21:23] <ethana4> so I hear
[21:24] <LT_Tuvok> and make a huge difference in the ability to reason
[21:24] <ethana4> perhaps
[21:24] <nemilar> dude.
[21:24] <LT_Tuvok> when your 22 you'll look back on your senior year like, damn, I was naive
[21:25] <ethana4> naïve?
[21:25] <LT_Tuvok> about many things
[21:25] <ethana4> yes.
[21:25] <LT_Tuvok> but I digress
[21:25] <ethana4> but I did something about them
[21:25] <ethana4> I submitted bug reports, feature requests..
[21:25] <LT_Tuvok> very good
[21:25] <ethana4> spread the word, ideapool, ideastorm
[21:25] <ethana4> one convert already
[21:25] <LT_Tuvok> kudos
[21:26] <LT_Tuvok> excellent
[21:26] <flipstar> maybe this will help you understand.. http://www.pastebin.ca/888107
[21:26] <ethana4> he has a laptop, a desktop, and a ps3
[21:26] <ethana4> ubuntu on all of them
[21:26] <LT_Tuvok> ugh
[21:26] <LT_Tuvok> ubuntu on the ps3 for what exactly?
[21:26] <ethana4> because it'd be a waste not to
[21:26] <ethana4> 512MB of RAM
[21:26] <ethana4> 6 SPE's
[21:26] <ethana4> wireless...
[21:26] <ethana4> HDMI out
[21:26] <LT_Tuvok> onthe contrary, its a waste of a game console
[21:26] <ethana4> it's a decent desktop
[21:27] <ethana4> lol
[21:27] <ethana4> dual boot, silly
[21:27] <LT_Tuvok> no its not
[21:27] <ethana4> ^_^
[21:27] <LT_Tuvok> silly I'm aware of that
[21:27] <ethana4> just use your memory carefully
[21:27] <ethana4> as in, not FF2
[21:27] <nemilar> yeah a lot of people are putting ubuntu on their PS3's
[21:27] <LT_Tuvok> the video is not completely open to open source
[21:27] <ethana4> no it isn't
[21:27] <ethana4> we'll get there
[21:27] <DanaG> And it doesn't give GLX directly.
[21:27] <LT_Tuvok> hence many things one cannot benifit from all those specs you read
[21:27] <ethana4> for starts, nouveau isn't even far enough to take advantage of it anyway
[21:27] <ethana4> but the cells can do the work
[21:28] <ethana4> and that's what they're doing
[21:28] <ethana4> gallium on cell
[21:28] <DanaG> How about the APU?  Can you use surround and such on the audio chip?
[21:28] <LT_Tuvok> so inform yourself more, before you sling "silly" around, kido
[21:28] <ethana4> I'm not sure
[21:28] <ethana4> lol
[21:28] <LT_Tuvok> I have a ps3
[21:28] <LT_Tuvok> i put linux onit
[21:28] <rsk> audio works at least
[21:28] <ethana4> I never use the word silly
[21:28] <rsk> when i tried
[21:28] <nemilar> I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "APU" before
[21:28] <LT_Tuvok> and?
 dual boot, silly
[21:28] <LT_Tuvok> don;t be dishonest
[21:28] <ethana4> I'm thinking something between a SPE and an ALU
[21:29] <LT_Tuvok> you are aware we have scroll?
[21:29] <nemilar> actually, ethana4 has a good point
[21:29] <ethana4> now I am confused
[21:29] <nemilar> you said it would waste the console, he said duelboot
[21:29] <nemilar> which means it doesn't waste the console
[21:29] <LT_Tuvok> and?
[21:29] <ethana4> yes.
[21:29] <nemilar> it makes you look silly ;)
[21:29] <LT_Tuvok> whilein the ubuntu part, not all of the hardware is of use
[21:29] <ethana4> which means if all you do is check email and browse the web..
[21:29] <LT_Tuvok> =
[21:29] <LT_Tuvok> waste
[21:29] <ethana4> the ps3 is fine as a desktop
[21:29] <LT_Tuvok> think
[21:29] <ethana4> that is true
[21:29] <ethana4> but I don't think it will remain that way
[21:30] <ethana4> and I like to support that
[21:30] <ethana4> because the 360 is evil
[21:30] <LT_Tuvok> the ps3's os runs faster, and uses all oftheresources
[21:30] <ethana4> soldering irons and eFuses..
[21:30] <ethana4> ughh
[21:30] <ethana4> yes, that is true, but..
[21:30] <ethana4> there's a lot that it can't do
[21:30] <ethana4> like give me fortunes
[21:31] <ethana4> ethan@desktop:~$ fortune
[21:31] <ethana4> you smell nice.
[21:31] <ethana4> lol
[21:31] <DanaG> APU (thinking of xbox -- audio processing unit).
[21:31] <ethana4> nevermind.  I just like it because no other desktop OS can really run on the ps3
[21:31] <ethana4> ahhh
[21:32] <ethana4> plus I really like the idea of stream co-processing
[21:32] <ethana4> it always bugs me that I have so much power in my hardware
[21:32] <ethana4> and can't use it for anything but 3d graphics
[21:32] <ethana4> the cell is thus a step forward
[21:32] <ethana4> even /because/ the 3d doesn't work
[21:33] <NoelJB> flipstar: sorry, was AFK.  I have alpha on an external usb, and just like to play with various things between releases, and start clean each time.  No telling what "weird and whacky" things I've done, since I really don't care and plan to blow it all away again.
[21:34] <ethana4> man, you can't begin to mess that thing up as much as I've done to mine
[21:34] <ethana4> and mine is my main machine
[21:34] <ethana4> was*
[21:34] <flipstar> yes that make sense..:)
[21:34] <ethana4> I think you may remember....
[21:34] <flipstar> btw there should be an feature in apt that allows to view the changelog of updates ..
[21:34] <ethana4> the feisty->gutsy->hardy alpha with pulseaudio... dual seat...  3 DE's..
[21:35] <ethana4> update-manager has that, doesn't it?
[21:35] <flipstar> yup
[21:35] <flipstar> but not apt
[21:35] <ethana4> I see
[21:35] <flipstar> i prefer apt..
[21:35] <ethana4> is it a GUI?
[21:35] <flipstar> nope
[21:35] <flipstar> thats why i prefer it
[21:35] <ethana4> or is it a backend?
[21:35] <ethana4> I thought apt was the core of the package management system
[21:35] <flipstar> console command
[21:35] <ethana4> ah
[21:36] <ethana4> I use apt-get a lot
[21:36] <flipstar> me2
[21:36] <ethana4> I use it because I want the simplicity and I know what I want already
[21:36] <ethana4> if I'm just installing updates and want a changelog, I think I'm personally content with update-manager
[21:37] <flipstar> theres not only apt-get ... i thing of apt-cache search apt-cache show and so on..
[21:37] <ethana4> oh hey, this may be kind of random
[21:37] <ethana4> but I was reading up on ext4..
[21:37] <flipstar> jes..but if apt had this feature i wouldnt need the update-manager for normal updates anymore
[21:38] <ethana4> and saw something to the effect of lowered file system performance with directories with tons of files
[21:38] <ethana4> oh, I see
[21:38] <flipstar> i use reiserfs on my / :)
[21:38] <ethana4> yeah
[21:38] <ethana4> ext3 here
[21:38] <ethana4> but does that mean if there's lots of stuff in /usr/bin, your machine will be slower
[21:38] <flipstar> reiserfs is faster for small files like on the root
[21:38] <ethana4> yeah
[21:39] <flipstar> like loading database in apt or adept..
[21:39] <ethana4> ah
[21:39] <ethana4> I don't push file systems much
[21:39] <flipstar> or filelight ..
[21:39] <ethana4> I push xorg
[21:39] <ethana4> some people have two hard drives..  I have two of everything else but the processor
[21:40] <flipstar> i have ht :P
[21:40] <ethana4> ht?
[21:40] <ethana4> hyper threading?
[21:40] <flipstar> hyperthreading right
[21:40] <flipstar> simulates 2 prozessors
[21:40] <ethana4> you ever seen a dual seat rig?
[21:40] <ethana4> prozessor
[21:40] <ethana4> I like it
[21:41] <flipstar> rig ?
[21:41] <ethana4> it sounds...   french
[21:41] <ethana4> machine
[21:41] <ethana4> I guess some people call them hydras
[21:41] <flipstar> with two cpu sockets ?
[21:41] <ethana4> only 2 instead of 7...
[21:41] <ethana4> no
[21:41] <ethana4> :)
[21:41] <ethana4> you could do that
[21:41] <ethana4> but I don't
[21:42] <flipstar> hmn i friend of mine just has an server mainboard with two sockets..
[21:42] <flipstar> funny is if you run 2 quads on these ..
[21:43] <ethana4> sata[n= /what/?
[21:44] <ethana4> ...nevermind, continue, flipstar
[21:46] <flipstar> just wanted to say its funny if you have like 8 cores ..
[21:47] <ethana4> oh
[21:47] <ethana4> that works
[21:47] <DarkMageZ> the mac pro ships with that setup :p
[21:47] <ethana4> I consider it unethical to give Apple money
[21:47] <ethana4> moreso than microsoft
[21:47] <ethana4> and I think people are finally catching on
[21:47] <flipstar> if you run ksysguard or so you'll have the whole screen full of cores..
[21:47] <DarkMageZ> tho i can't see any real practical uses for 8 cores in houses.
[21:48] <flipstar> you dont even need 4 usally..
[21:48] <ethana4> I don't even need 1
[21:48] <flipstar> lol
[21:48] <ethana4> just a 200MHz 64 bit PPC and a stream coprocessor on a PCIe card
[21:48] <ethana4> instead of a GPU
[21:48] <flipstar> you making the calculates right in your head ?
[21:48] <ethana4> and I'm good
[21:49] <ethana4> making calculates?
[21:49] <ethana4> yes.
[21:49] <flipstar> like a cpu does..
[21:49] <ethana4> nvm
[21:49] <ethana4> I mean like, my CPU is 2.8GHz
[21:49] <ethana4> if I could just use my GPU correctly
[21:49] <ethana4> I wouldn't need a seventh of that
[21:50] <DarkMageZ> it's not just about the GHZ tho. p4 or some other chip?
[21:50] <ethana4> I would love to see AMD start making SPARC T2 chips
[21:50] <ethana4> it's a p4 celly
[21:50] <ethana4> 128k L2
[21:50] <ethana4> lol
[21:51] <DarkMageZ> amd needs to wake up to themselfs... they're failing at competing atm... if i was to build a new system atm it would have an intel processor.
[21:51] <ethana4> wel
[21:51] <ethana4> ll
[21:52] <flipstar> i've cache size      : 512 KB
[21:52] <ethana4> they can't compete on x86
[21:52] <ethana4> they need to switch ISA's
[21:52] <ethana4> and they can't--
[21:52] <ethana4> not without the Free Software community
[21:52] <flipstar> amd isnt catching up since a long time ..
[21:53] <DarkMageZ> they were kicking serious ass in the x86 war. back in the day of athlon. (remember the 2100+ days?)
[21:53] <ethana4> yeah
[21:53] <ethana4> but if AMD went SPARC, do you think they could match intel again?
[21:54] <NoelJB> Purely FYI: (a) this doesn't seem germaine to Hardy Alpha, (b) you should be aware that all traffic in these channels is permanently logged in a public location.
[21:55] <ethana4> understood
[21:56] <mohbana_> is it possible to get ubuntu font rendering in fedora?
[21:57] <LT_Tuvok> amusing query
[21:57] <mohbana_> would it work out the same if i install all the font packges used in ubuntu on fedora?
[21:58] <flipstar> #fedora
[22:06]  * DanaG uses aptitude
[22:50] <rsk> ok so im gonna ask i guess a fairly uncommon question
[22:50] <rsk> when is hardy 4 due?
[22:50] <rsk> alpha even
[22:50] <crimsun> when the testing is complete.
[22:51] <crimsun> there are candidate images.
[22:52] <iyigun> hi, i have problem with compiling kernel
[22:53] <iyigun> the headers i installed with synaptic doesn't compile
[22:53] <iyigun> the one which i download from kernel.org compiles but it has a different version
[22:53] <iyigun> i have version 2.6.24-5-generic, where can i get the kernel source?
[22:54] <crimsun> `apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)`, though I don't think that's what you really want.
[22:54] <iyigun> i have that, doesn't compile
[22:54] <crimsun> where is linux-headers-$(uname -r) causing gcc to error?
[22:54] <iyigun> yes
[22:54] <iyigun> some files are missing there
[22:55] <crimsun> no, where in the compilation?  e.g., pastebin all of the compilation, please.
[22:55] <crimsun> (Keep in mind that you should be tracking ubuntu-hardy.git if you're going to report bugs.)
[22:56] <iyigun> I get this error:
[22:56] <iyigun>  No rule to make target `arch/x86/kernel/asm-offsets.c', needed by `arch/x86/kernel/asm-offsets.s'.  Stop.
[22:56] <crimsun> what are you attempting to compile?
[22:56] <iyigun> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-5-generic
[22:56] <crimsun> err, what?  Surely you aren't attempting to compile /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-5-generic...
[22:57] <iyigun> how can i make sure that i'm compiling it?
[22:58] <iyigun> i executed "make mrproper", "make oldconfig", "make" one by one
[22:58] <iyigun> "make" fails with that error
[22:59] <crimsun> iyigun: are you attempting to compile an external kernel module, or are you attempting to build the actual Ubuntu kernel images from Ubuntu kernel source?
[22:59] <iyigun> actually my first goal was to compile some webcam drivers, but it failed, and complained about my kernel.
[23:00] <iyigun> it told me, my kernel is not clean, or smth like that
[23:00] <iyigun> i'm trying to compile it, and it really doesn't work
[23:00] <crimsun> ok, you're likely going the long way around.
[23:00] <iyigun> what should i do?
[23:00] <crimsun> Can you provide me with the URL of the webcam drivers?
[23:01] <iyigun> sure, a sec please
[23:06] <iyigun> http://home.mag.cx/messenger/
[23:06] <iyigun> crimsun: sorry it took me a while to find it again
[23:06] <iyigun> I was trying to install qc-usb-messenger-1.7.tar.gz
[23:07] <crimsun> iyigun: does the `quickcam.ko` distributed in hardy not suffice?
[23:08] <crimsun> iyigun: sorry, I meant quickcam_messenger.ko
[23:08] <DanaG> Stupid CFS scheduler... makes compiz slow when I'm on AC and folding@home is running.
[23:08] <DanaG> It's actually being faster on battery (with Folding not running).
[23:08] <iyigun> it looks like not. No application can see my cam
[23:08] <Konstigt> bah. I was doing some writing in a window and update-manager stole attention with some prompt so my writing became an answer for a question from update-manager. this should be changed.
[23:09] <Konstigt> i looked in term.log and found out what I had missed, is it possible to get the question again? reinstall? or do I have to delete the package and re-install it?
[23:09] <Konstigt> it was a peers den har connectat till verkar också köra transmission av nån anledning :O
[23:10] <Konstigt> oops. it was module-init-tools so I'm sure it's not a good idea to uninstall.
[23:10] <FrankQ> yeah update manager stealing focus always bothers me
[23:10] <FrankQ> it makes some kind of sense but not if some buttons are also defaulted to keypresses
[23:12] <crimsun> iyigun: it actualy looks like the source code isn't 2.6.24-ready
[23:12] <innertruth> yeah that annoy me to
[23:12] <crimsun> iyigun: a few function parameters need to be updated in the source code for that webcam driver
[23:12] <crimsun> *actually
[23:12] <crimsun> iyigun: it has nothing to do with Ubuntu's linux-headers-*; they're fine
[23:13] <crimsun> /var/tmp/qc-usb-messenger-1.7/qc-driver.c:3484: error: unknown field ‘hardware’ specified in initializer
[23:13] <crimsun> e.g., ^
[23:13] <iyigun> crimsun: are you sure? because this is not the only thing which doesn't work
[23:13] <crimsun> iyigun: I'm sure
[23:13] <iyigun> for ex. vmware also complains about it
[23:14] <crimsun> you have to patch vmware source AFAIR
[23:14] <crimsun> I haven't messed with vmware since feisty, however.
[23:14] <crimsun> ->train
[23:15] <iyigun> it tells gcc version doesn't match kernel version, or smth like that
[23:15] <Konstigt> FrankQ: if the window would have flashed in the bottom panel, that would have been sufficient.
[23:16] <smallfoot-> my ubuntu says when gnome start "english language not found, using system default instead" or something like that in error box, how can i fix?
[23:16] <iyigun> crimsun: one last question, do you think I can use quickcam_messenger.ko instead of that driver?
[23:16] <crimsun> iyigun: yes.  I thought you had tried it.
[23:17] <crimsun> At least it was implied with my question above.
[23:17] <crimsun> anyhow, I'm away for a couple hours.
[23:17] <iyigun> crimsun: I guess i need to do it manually, because it didn't work automatically. I need to figure out what i must do to make it work
[23:18] <iyigun> crimsun: thanks for support
[23:18] <MGrunde> Is alpha 4 out? There seems to be a wiki page, but the download links are 404s.
[23:19] <FrankQ> nope
[23:19] <nemilar> this is unacceptable. I want my money back.
[23:20] <innertruth> this is my alpha 4 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20080201/hardy-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:20] <FrankQ> See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=682072
[23:20] <nemilar> I'm assuming the trunks are even less stable though?
[23:21] <FrankQ> why would you use those?
[23:21] <innertruth> i hope it will boot, cuz other daily build in a past wont
[23:21] <Konstigt> smallfoot-: change default language on the login screen prefs
[23:22] <Konstigt> about the focus stealing, there is a bug about it, #67476
[23:22] <innertruth> !bug 67476
[23:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67476 in metacity "Dialogs of background applications pop up in the foreground" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67476
[23:24] <FrankQ> 2006 :(
[23:27] <Konstigt> there is also launchpad bug 54300
[23:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 54300 in synaptic "should stay in background when told to" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54300
[23:30] <FrankQ> added small bit about the usabiliy side of it
[23:35] <RAOF> crimsun, iyigun: For webcam problems like that, you can just patch out the code initialising the "hardware" member of the v4l struct.  It's been removed. (This worked for my syntek drivers).
[23:36] <iyigun> RAOF: how could I do that?
[23:37] <RAOF> iyigun: Unpack the source for the webcam drivers, edit the qc-driver.c file, find where "hardware" is initialised (it'll be line 3484), and remove it.
[23:38] <iyigun> RAOF: you mean the source which comes with the kernel right? not the other one?
[23:38] <RAOF> No.  The source that comes with the webcam drivers.
[23:38] <RAOF> That you downloaded from the website.
[23:39] <iyigun> RAOF: I'll try that now. Hope it works. Thanks for the tip
[23:41] <FrankQ> hey RAOF. Remember the bit about the Do plugin for gnome multimedia keys? I found that the DBUS stuff doesn't allow you to trigger it for the whole of Gnome (or at all, just to set up so you can listen to the keys). Do you know any other leads? Fake a X key press or something?
[23:43] <RAOF> FrankQ: That's annoying.  You probably could fake a keypress, but that's a much more annoying hack.
[23:43] <RAOF> FrankQ: Maybe you could ask in a gnome-developer channel?
[23:44] <FrankQ> Yeah, will do. Just figured you might know since you got me started in first place :)
[23:44] <FrankQ> Thanks!
[23:49] <iyigun> RAOF: I tried your suggestion, but I'm still getting the same error:
[23:50] <iyigun> qc-driver.c:3643: error: implicit declaration of function ‘LONG’
[23:50] <RAOF> THat's not the same error.
[23:50] <RAOF> iyigun: It's a different error, and one that I'm not able to help you with.
[23:51] <iyigun> RAOF: sorry to hear that. However, this is the error i'm always getting, sure about that
[23:52] <RAOF> Oh,  I thought your error was different.  Whoops
[23:52] <iyigun> RAOF: :)
[23:53] <iyigun> can you help me with the gcc version problem:
[23:53] <iyigun> Kernel compiler: gcc version 4.2.3 20080114 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.2.2-7ubuntu1)  [!] Kernel compiler and gcc seem to be different versions.
[23:53] <iyigun> gcc version: gcc version 4.2.3 20080126 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.2.2-7ubuntu2)
[23:53] <RAOF> No, sorry.
[23:59] <roge1> hi all - I'm getting an error trying to upgrade from gutsy to hardy