[00:21] Hey all... Do we expect disk images within the next six hours? === projektdotnet is now known as projektdotnet|aw === projektdotnet|aw is now known as projektdotnet [00:26] ethana3, expect them when they're ready [00:26] yes. [00:29] oh hey, I've never rolled an .iso myself.. [00:29] what does the process entail? [00:29] i mean, after you've selected the code you want on it.. [00:30] cds are auto-generated [00:30] after that they start WinISO [00:30] cool [00:30] WinISO? [00:30] nevermind [00:31] that three letter string always makes me a bit suspicious.. [00:31] ^_^ [00:32] so how feasible would it be to have the software keep the images up to date every two weeks? [00:32] easy [00:32] so that fresh installs don't flood the apt servers 3 months past... [00:32] hmm [00:33] but people would keep reinstalling because new images are available [00:33] ohh [00:33] no, the same updates [00:33] that get rolled out via apt [00:33] still [00:33] im sure alot of people would do [00:33] some people with OCD? [00:33] yeah.. [00:34] i wouldn't [00:34] they should also use some kind of delta-deb and p2p apt system [00:34] but that may take a while to implement [00:35] hehe i think they have better things to do (ie, fixing bugs) [00:35] yeah.. [00:35] bugs was here long before humans [00:36] i just figured cutting bandwidth expenses might allow them to employ more devs [00:36] ;) [00:36] btw [00:37] whats up with the new artwork? [00:37] i thought they would push a new gnome theme/engine [00:37] with transparency [00:37] murrina [00:38] murrina is sloww [00:38] oh [00:38] well, whatever they need for widget based transparency [00:38] 'cause that looked awesome [00:40] how you can control hard disk's cache strategy in ubuntu? [00:40] oh btw, will hardy fix the disk clicking problem on laptops? this is a severe issue [00:41] disk clicking? [00:41] What's with all the 64GB SSD's? [00:41] that's rediculous [00:41] I just want 8 or 16 GB in an SSD [00:42] and I'll be happy [00:49] ubuntu is getting better :) [00:49] absolutely [00:49] i hope caps lock works properly in this alpha [00:49] my alpha3 sucked, but now i did apt-get upgrade, and installed 400 megabyte updates, and its much better now, it dont suck anymore [00:49] i use colemak.. [00:50] yeah [00:50] i had an unstable machine.. [00:50] this one.. [00:50] 3DE's, i used pulseaudio... [00:50] but when i login on ubuntu it said "error: language_en not installed or found, i am using now system default instead" or something like that [00:50] and i ran update-manager -d [00:50] yeah.. [00:50] you get that error too? [00:50] they'll bring it all together in a while [00:51] ya [00:51] i haven't installed alpha3 [00:51] i just used the LiveCD [00:51] i'm waiting to install until this alpha today [00:51] the only software that still works on this machine [00:52] kopete, kate, amarok, konqueror [00:52] i have 8 browsers [00:52] and only 1 still works [00:52] oh [00:52] this was the machine i had my inital learning curve on, after leaving windows [00:52] firefox works on me [00:52] i /really/ jacked it up [00:52] and my dual seat configuration [00:52] that put it over the top [00:52] well you should stick with Feisty Fawn if you dont want trouble [00:52] you mean Gutsy? [00:53] yeah, i mean gusty gibbon [00:53] Neither work onmy machine [00:53] LiveCD [00:53] oh [00:53] just don't work.. that xorg bug, multiple cards; integrated, ati [00:53] i updated to alpha3 cuz i was getting impatient for 8.40 release and was bored [00:53] oh [00:53] bored? We get into a lot of trouble that way, don't we? ;) [00:53] the new xorg is better, it can run without config file [00:53] yeah :d [00:53] yes.. but I'll still need it [00:54] two simultaneous users.. all the hardware is here right now, two of everything [00:54] i love ideapool... that is where i reside [00:55] and ideastorm, of course [00:55] one thing i think is annoying is that if i use IRC it will use my login name as username, its bad for my privacy [00:55] i put the dell ubuntu xps on my wish list, and emailed it to two people [00:56] hmm [00:56] oh [00:56] wait, what client? [00:56] yeah, a IRC client like X-Chat [00:56] hmm.. i use pidgin.. well, I did [00:56] oh [00:56] it died too [00:56] along with all my other gnome apps [00:56] ^_^ [00:56] oh [00:57] i can run all gnome apps i think with alpha3+updates [00:57] isn't alpha 4 out [00:57] on my other machine, I tried to install the mac menu hack [00:57] not yet, we're waiting for it [00:57] wasbt 2 hours ago, dont know about now [00:57] it's due out any hour [00:57] wait, what? [00:57] aww, i thought it was due on teh 30th [00:57] nope, alpha4 not out, it should be though [00:57] patience.. [00:58] when using the compiz cool effects, not everything works, blender only works in fullscreen, not window mode [00:58] well OpenGL.. [00:58] it's not scheduled well [00:58] we're in a new era, where the GPU is just another processor [00:58] I don't think current graphical API's are well suited to that [00:58] oh [00:58] or at least their handlers [00:59] and the Dell XPS Ubuntu is good that it exist for other people, but i build my computer myself, cuz im cool like that [00:59] well [00:59] i would, but it's a laptop.. [00:59] the signal 5 crashes are fixed as of a few hours ago... but you have to close an restart gnome for the new environment to take effect. [00:59] i would love to be able to do that, to have those standards in place [00:59] yeah, to buy a laptop that you KNOW will work on linux [01:00] so you dont build your computer self and gamble and some hardware dont work [01:00] i want a GUI for PAM [01:00] ..i put that in ideapool too... [01:00] well, i figure as long as you avoid dialup modems and the X-Fi.. [01:00] you should be good, for the most part [01:00] yeah, dialup modems and xfi, ahh i ABSOLTUELY LOVE the ubuntu servers, did they sneak some server with SAS RAID disks into my basement with optical fiber or what? today, when I used Update Manager, it downloaded 9300 kbyte/s [01:01] If there's a petition out there to send a Novell Linux Drivers Project representative to Creative, I'll sign it [01:01] 9300 kbyte/s, god damn, thats fucking fast [01:03] time estimates always bug me [01:03] my connection speed varies [01:03] it said "update is 400 megabyte, it will take 50 minutes on high-speed internet or 50 hours on dial-up", and i clicked "next" and it said "1 minute remaining, 9300 kbyte/s downloading" [01:03] they should all take what /has been/ downloaded over the time it /has taken/... [01:03] congradulations [01:03] now you just have to learn Korean [01:04] hehe what [01:04] Korean [01:04] the language of Korea [01:04] where all their internet is that fast [01:04] ^_^ [01:04] oh, cool [01:04] it is? [01:04] it's rediculous [01:04] i thought japan had the best internet infrastructure in the world [01:04] ~100Mbit [01:04] i have 100 mbit down, 10 mbit up [01:04] maybe they do.. if so, Korea's close [01:04] FiOS? [01:05] i read on slashdot that fix USA internet infrastructure would require 100 billion dollar [01:05] hmm.. [01:05] USA internet sucks, they invented it, but have crap internet with slow-speed expensive junk internet [01:05] sacrifice microsoft! [01:06] well, it's all going wireless in a year or so [01:06] Auction 73 + Google [01:06] i hate cell networks [01:06] so I'll be glad to see them die [01:10] have we put any commercials on TV? [01:10] meh, better uses of money than that i guess.. [01:10] marketing is best done on the individual level [01:11] is Alpha4 confirmed for tomorrow? [01:12] it would kind of be nice to have an ETA.. [01:13] I'm pretty sure it was canceled for today [01:14] ohh [01:14] ..iv'e been waiting anxiously for a week [01:14] lol [01:14] i woke up this morning and it was like Christmas [01:14] haha [01:14] ...and my presents were gone [01:14] lol [01:14] christmas will be April 24th [01:14] yes. [01:16] is it possible for widget based translucency to work in WINE apps? [01:23] I think it would be nice to have a 'pick your platform and DE' wizard on Ubuntu.com [01:24] Hi. [01:24] where you answer three questions.. and it tells you what to download.. [01:24] oh hi [01:24] we think the alpha's going to come out tomorrow [01:24] got delayed or something [01:24] Have a dpkg/apt problem making me unable to update. [01:24] broken software index? [01:24] something like that. [01:24] a broken pacvkage [01:24] what does it say? [01:25] hang on [01:25] oh, ok.. [01:25] ubuntu-desktop: Depends: system-config-printer-gnome but it is not installed [01:25] E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. [01:25] hmm, what does the topic say :) [01:25] -f givs me: [01:26] bardyr: a little mercy.. [01:26] Well... [01:26] I'm just trying to fix it. Have had it for 3 days. [01:26] cavediver, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? [01:26] Not something that will magically disappear it seems [01:26] bardyr: se above paste [01:26] i'd just do a [01:27] sudo apt-get install system-config-printer-gnome [01:27] yea you could do that too [01:27] Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/system-config-printer-gnome_0.7.78+svn1799-0ubuntu2_all.deb [01:27] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [01:27] ethana3: will try [01:27] but it should be in a upgrade/dist-upgrade [01:28] ethana3: that gives me that error [01:28] hmm [01:28] let me guess.. with -f it wants you to remove all your apps that need the gnome printer thing? [01:28] solved similar issues way back in debian by inserting exit 0 in some deinstall script [01:29] !info system-config-printer-gnome [01:29] can't remember it now though [01:29] system-config-printer-gnome (source: system-config-printer): Printer configuration GUI. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.78+svn1799-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 86 kB, installed size 836 kB [01:29] god, can't i just have it removed or fixed :) [01:29] cavediver, did you do a upgrade and dist-upgrade? [01:29] did you try what it told you? [01:29] bardyr: yes [01:29] ethana3: yup [01:30] and what did it want to do? [01:30] did paste the -f output [01:30] ohhh [01:30] ok, now i'm where /I/ got lost [01:30] cavediver, aptitude dist-upgrade [01:30] frack apt [01:30] when i swapped out gnome's core for the mac menu hack [01:30] bardyr: oki [01:31] bardyr: something is happening, it's actually downloading stuff now :) [01:31] hell i'm so use to apt-get, what the frecking heck is aptitude anyway? [01:32] when apt does not want to play nice, smack it with aptitude :) [01:32] i see [01:32] cavediver, its a frontend for apt ;D [01:32] what? [01:32] so the frontend managed to do some magic that the backend couldn't :) [01:33] yep [01:33] But it's not installed yet so i still could get an error.... [01:33] :) [01:34] where is my pretty little -6 kernel >& [01:38] do tell [01:39] and please restore pidgin to functionality [01:39] soon :) [01:40] oh wait [01:40] i upgraded this via update-manager -d [01:40] blkorpheus, upgrade, it works :o [01:40] so /I/ didn't break pidgin? [01:40] it was hardy? [01:41] ethana3, nope, but if you are fully updated logout and in and pidgin should work [01:41] hmmm maybe thats it [01:41] I'll try it [01:41] have not logged out in [01:41] where is my uptime conky? [01:41] and I am fully updated [01:43] I stay updated [01:46] yeah you need to log out and in for the debug environment variable to be properly reset [01:47] ok, tried pidgin again.. [01:47] it went on and on about gstreamer.. [01:47] then it gave me this: [01:48] hope I have better luc [01:48] pidgin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_dpgettext [01:48] well, this install is really mutant by now [01:48] ouch [01:48] i've had this install since fiesty [01:48] lol me too [01:48] i've been using pulseaudio for a while.. [01:48] i have 3 DE's installed [01:48] but its very tight and clean [01:48] and 8 browsers [01:48] and it's a dual seat setup [01:49] ...that doesn't work yet [01:49] dual "seat'? [01:49] two simultaneous users [01:49] ahh [01:49] nice [01:49] two keyboards, two mice, two screens.. [01:49] yeah [01:49] it will be.. when it works [01:49] I'l conky you... on the head. (bad joke.) [01:49] i've done so much murder to my fiesty install i don't blame it for keeling over and dying [01:50] thats no excuse [01:50] as long as your system maintence is tight, you should be fine [01:50] hmm [01:50] I run a tight ship [01:50] i came to fiesty from windows [01:50] no lose symlinks nothing [01:50] ahhh [01:50] for the first months... [01:50] say no more [01:50] i was incompetent [01:50] lol [01:50] ;) [01:50] i like to think i know what I'm doing now [01:51] hence, me being here [01:52] in fact [01:52] hardy is the first distro where the liveCD works on my desktop [01:52] at all [01:52] wow [01:52] lol [01:52] lol [01:52] first time it didn't complain at all here. just still 800x600 on livecd [01:52] ethana3, you must have some seriously shitty hardware [01:52] and now instead of wanting to just ignore the integrated.. [01:52] i want to use it [01:52] well [01:52] i wish they'd fix the install to not mind that sometime [01:53] Radeon 9200SE PCI 128MB and an intel 855GM [01:53] its called alt. cd install [01:53] screw the livecd [01:53] yes. [01:53] i like the live cd [01:53] that's what i had to resort to [01:53] good thing we have xorg.conf and vim [01:53] to dig through [01:53] for hours [01:53] I never you the live desktop anyway [01:53] and that is how i got where i am today [01:53] its straight to install I go [01:54] well, when you're dealing with alphas..... [01:54] ^_^ [01:54] I've dealt with aplhas from day one [01:54] never an issue [01:54] for me anyway [01:54] i want the latest pidgin.. but they don't run their own apt [01:55] they cite that they are well integrated into various distros [01:55] I always laugh at the fear surrounding alpha, but keep it to myself generally, to not get flamed [01:55] compile it! [01:55] getdeb.net has it [01:55] ethana3, try from the terminal, strace pidgin [01:55] i've done that [01:55] ok, thank you [01:55] i'll do that now.. [01:55] pidgin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_dpgettext [01:55] is that important? [01:55] as long as you know how to restore X, your fine [01:55] well........ [01:55] restoring X was a serious pain [01:55] and even then, I'm ok in console [01:56] gdm and gnome are dead on my machine [01:56] as is KDE4 [01:56] Been using alpha ubuntu since ubuntu started [01:56] wow [01:56] what was that, Warty? [01:56] blkorpheus: well, the breakage has not been horrible for the alpha at my side, but still at least 2 days of limited use here, lots of freezes and several important feature regressions. I don't care, I'm proud since that's quite good, but i'm glad this is not a development machine (entirely anyways) [01:56] always stay ahead of the release rush, and evrythingg [01:56] i joined edge and then up [01:57] always been on the ubuntu+1 since the repos open [01:57] FrankQ, I don't get lock ups, just notices of things crashing from apport [01:57] New gnome-session and gnome-control-center and gnome-settings-daemon break stuff. [01:57] man, this is so exciting... [01:57] Severely. [01:57] but the whole system just keeps on trucking [01:57] I just went back to the previous version. [01:57] minor annoyances as mythtv remote breaking for a few days, pidgin, etc [01:57] minor stuff [01:58] blkorpheus: at least one hard reset every few days here [01:58] I always keep a good kernel around just in case a new one does not boot [01:58] but that's my fault since i refuse to use my machine without compiz ;-) [01:58] ^_^ [01:58] FrankQ, sorry to hear that, I can't remmebr the last time I had a hard reset [01:58] FrankQ, actually i had one hard reset the entire hardy time, had them almost daily with gutsy [01:58] I don't mind it much. It's my own choice to run an alpha. [01:58] is EDID broken in Ubuntu? [01:59] same [01:59] hardy is already better [01:59] FrankQ, if you have not already, check to make sure you've got the latest vid driver [01:59] with X [01:59] or at least not even my own choice. just... "let's install the alpha! oh... damn, just overwrote my gutsy partition" [01:59] my hardlock issues were with gutsy and the old nvidia release [01:59] after this latest 169 release, smooth sailing [02:00] yea [02:00] 169 is nice [02:00] compiz will occasionally, fritz, but I just reenable, and keep going [02:00] it is [02:00] i hear we're getting multi-touch soon [02:00] in X [02:00] latest vid driver from the official repos, but not in general i guess [02:01] the repos are fine...but I don't use them for my video drivers [02:01] launchpad down) [02:01] ? [02:01] or ppa atleast [02:01] launchpad works. havent tested ppa [02:01] I uninstall restricted manager asap, then download the nvidia driver, and run the script [02:01] seems better when I compile my module on this machine [02:02] yeah, i could do that but i'm very wary of doing stuff like that. bad taste in mouth from automatix [02:02] automatix never broke me either [02:02] I found that wholesaga amusing as well [02:02] I don't use automatix anymore, but it never caused an isue [02:03] you just have to be very deliberate with your repos [02:03] it totally fobared my system [02:03] fubared even [02:03] it did a lot of bad stuff to me, and even though i fixed that i did a complete reinstall just to get rid of any possible leftovers [02:03] I would kindly submit, the admin fubared the system [02:03] :) [02:03] kindly submitted [02:03] but with ubuntu-restricted-extras automatix is not needed anymore [02:03] true [02:04] yeah, that's an awesome improvement of the situation [02:04] of course, ideally it wouldn't have to be restricted [02:06]