| BenC | bdmurray: I'm pushing a change to enable usb persistent, which might help | 00:18 |
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| Kano | hi, why are so many old ide drivers enabled? i prefer a config completely without CONFIG_IDE... | 00:53 |
| Kano | otherwise some new laptops dont boot at all | 00:54 |
| BenC | Kano: i haven't seen evidence that an ide driver being enabled keeps a new laptop from booting | 00:54 |
| BenC | Kano: and not all ide drivers/chipsets are replaced by libata-pata ones | 00:54 |
| Kano | one new samsung laptop only boots with that specific config | 00:54 |
| Kano | then the generic pata works in most cases | 00:55 |
| BenC | point me to a bug report or more information | 00:55 |
| BenC | Kano: we can't work 'in most cases' | 00:55 |
| Kano | kanotix thorhammer rc7 used a kernel completly without config_ide and there are only very few bad reports | 00:55 |
| BenC | especially if 'most cases' == regressions | 00:55 |
| BenC | oh well, every dist is different | 00:55 |
| Kano | it is based on ubuntu git 2.6.24 kernel | 00:56 |
| BenC | i'd much rather find out why the samsung couldn't boot in our current config | 00:56 |
| BenC | Kano: we are less than 3 months from release, too late to discuss now about disabling ide | 00:56 |
| Kano | well i do that in my mod then. before you release i use etch as base and only a modified kernel | 00:57 |
| BenC | if you have specific information about the problem you are talking about, then i can look into it...otherwise this is a waste of time...again | 00:57 |
| JanC | I have at least one desktop system (P3 on an MSI mobo with Via chipset) that still has /dev/hd* devices in gutsy... | 00:57 |
| ln- | besides, you cannot expect ubuntu to run on every machine. | 00:57 |
| Kano | btw. did you test the amd64 desktop iso? | 00:58 |
| Kano | it does not show any splash | 00:58 |
| JanC | an from what I can see, this is not uncommon for older systems | 00:58 |
| Kano | i386 does | 00:58 |
| BenC | Kano: so you don't have information on this samsung/ | 00:58 |
| BenC | Kano: i tested it today, fresh install, and it has working splash | 00:59 |
| Kano | BenC: it is not my laptop,but when the user is online i can talk to him | 00:59 |
| Kano | why fresh install, i talk of the live cd | 00:59 |
| BenC | Kano: uh, because i did an install of a live cd...was pretty sure that was cleae | 01:00 |
| Kano | also do you think disabling alsa in the kernel is a good move? | 01:00 |
| BenC | clear | 01:00 |
| Kano | maybe depending on your gfx card | 01:00 |
| Kano | this was x700 se | 01:00 |
| Kano | ati | 01:00 |
| BenC | this was an ati as well, don't have the exact chipset, but it was mobility | 01:00 |
| BenC | Kano: not sure what you mean by disabling alsa | 01:01 |
| Kano | one of the last changes | 01:01 |
| Kano | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy.git;a=commit;h=255995ce42b024e084500e570ae3e357f7647480 | 01:01 |
| BenC | if that's been done, it's because alsa will be moved to lum | 01:01 |
| Kano | yes but lum does not contain all | 01:01 |
| Kano | also when you compile external modules which would provide alsa sound that will not work | 01:02 |
| Kano | expect the ones from alsa | 01:02 |
| BenC | we know this, and are providing the headers for the lum modules separately | 01:03 |
| Kano | example | 01:03 |
| Kano | CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7134_ALSA=m | 01:03 |
| Kano | this is the sound module for a video card | 01:03 |
| Kano | not in alsa at all | 01:03 |
| Kano | same for cx88-alsa (ok, maybe not so often needed as dvb) | 01:03 |
| BenC | we know this, and are going to work on making sure everything is there | 01:04 |
| Kano | you could add then em8300 too | 01:04 |
| BenC | we spent lots of time at uds discussing this exact situation | 01:04 |
| Kano | maybe let it default to oss | 01:04 |
| Kano | do you know that module? | 01:04 |
| BenC | look, without sounding too irritable, i have better things to do than answer a million questions from you right now | 01:05 |
| Kano | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@dxr3.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/dxr3 co -P | 01:05 |
| Kano | em8300 | 01:05 |
| Kano | needed for dxr3 and similar cards | 01:05 |
| Kano | modules dir | 01:06 |
| Kano | you could add the firmware too | 01:06 |
| BenC | you could spend a little time cloning our tree, adding it, and requesting a pull | 01:06 |
| BenC | we do have lots of other things to tend to as well | 01:07 |
| Kano | sure | 01:07 |
| Kano | that and dmraid45 is missing, then you only need a cooler kernelconfig ;) | 01:08 |
| Kano | saily there is no official dmraid patch against 2.6.24 yet | 01:09 |
| Kano | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/97655 | 01:10 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 97655 in linux-source-2.6.20 "dmraid45 target please" [Wishlist,Won't fix] | 01:10 |
| Kano | the changes for dmraid work, but i did it for dmraid rc14, rc13 is outdated | 01:10 |
| ln- | Kano: you are wasting your time. | 01:10 |
| Kano | you dont want raid5 ? | 01:11 |
| ln- | no. | 01:11 |
| Kano | stupid | 01:11 |
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| Kano | rtg: Blacklisted bcm43cc and prism54? | 15:17 |
| Kano | the module is bcm43xx | 15:17 |
| Kano | also blacklisting would not help for discover | 15:18 |
| maks_ | disabled in debian :) | 15:18 |
| Kano | yes but not in ubuntu | 15:18 |
| BenC | I don't think we really use discover | 15:18 |
| maks_ | BenC: you own me an initramfs-tools sync :) | 15:18 |
| maks_ | Kamion dude did the klibc part | 15:19 |
| Kano | BenC: saidly it is installed by default by live-helper | 15:19 |
| BenC | maks_: ah, we do need to sync that | 15:19 |
| maks_ | xorg should no longer need that crap | 15:19 |
| BenC | Kano: used and installed are two different things | 15:20 |
| maks_ | discover usualy comes with an init script | 15:20 |
| maks_ | BenC: yep, that be cool | 15:20 |
| laga | any ETA on the new kernel upload to hardy? | 15:45 |
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| rtg | laga: been waiting for the Alpha stuff to thaw. | 15:48 |
| laga | are there daily kernel builds on a ppa or something like that? | 15:54 |
| laga | otherwise, i'll just do a local build and push to my repo | 15:54 |
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