[00:18] <BenC> bdmurray: I'm pushing a change to enable usb persistent, which might help
[00:53] <Kano> hi, why are so many old ide drivers enabled? i prefer a config completely without CONFIG_IDE...
[00:54] <Kano> otherwise some new laptops dont boot at all
[00:54] <BenC> Kano: i haven't seen evidence that an ide driver being enabled keeps a new laptop from booting
[00:54] <BenC> Kano: and not all ide drivers/chipsets are replaced by libata-pata ones
[00:54] <Kano> one new samsung laptop only boots with that specific config
[00:55] <Kano> then the generic pata works in most cases
[00:55] <BenC> point me to a bug report or more information
[00:55] <BenC> Kano: we can't work 'in most cases'
[00:55] <Kano> kanotix thorhammer rc7 used a kernel completly without config_ide and there are only very few bad reports
[00:55] <BenC> especially if 'most cases' == regressions
[00:55] <BenC> oh well, every dist is different
[00:56] <Kano> it is based on ubuntu git 2.6.24 kernel
[00:56] <BenC> i'd much rather find out why the samsung couldn't boot in our current config
[00:56] <BenC> Kano: we are less than 3 months from release, too late to discuss now about disabling ide
[00:57] <Kano> well i do that in my mod then. before you release i use etch as base and only a modified kernel
[00:57] <BenC> if you have specific information about the problem you are talking about, then i can look into it...otherwise this is a waste of time...again
[00:57] <JanC> I have at least one desktop system (P3 on an MSI mobo with Via chipset) that still has /dev/hd* devices in gutsy...
[00:57] <ln-> besides, you cannot expect ubuntu to run on every machine.
[00:58] <Kano> btw. did you test the amd64 desktop iso?
[00:58] <Kano> it does not show any splash
[00:58] <JanC> an from what I can see, this is not uncommon for older systems
[00:58] <Kano> i386 does
[00:58] <BenC> Kano: so you don't have information on this samsung/
[00:59] <BenC> Kano: i tested it today, fresh install, and it has working splash
[00:59] <Kano> BenC: it is not my laptop,but when the user is online i can talk to him
[00:59] <Kano> why fresh install, i talk of the live cd
[01:00] <BenC> Kano: uh, because i did an install of a live cd...was pretty sure that was cleae
[01:00] <Kano> also do you think disabling alsa in the kernel is a good move?
[01:00] <BenC> clear
[01:00] <Kano> maybe depending on your gfx card
[01:00] <Kano> this was x700 se
[01:00] <Kano> ati
[01:00] <BenC> this was an ati as well, don't have the exact chipset, but it was mobility
[01:01] <BenC> Kano: not sure what you mean by disabling alsa
[01:01] <Kano> one of the last changes
[01:01] <Kano> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy.git;a=commit;h=255995ce42b024e084500e570ae3e357f7647480
[01:01] <BenC> if that's been done, it's because alsa will be moved to lum
[01:01] <Kano> yes but lum does not contain all
[01:02] <Kano> also when you compile external modules which would provide alsa sound that will not work
[01:02] <Kano> expect the ones from alsa
[01:03] <BenC> we know this, and are providing the headers for the lum modules separately
[01:03] <Kano> example
[01:03] <Kano> CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7134_ALSA=m
[01:03] <Kano> this is the sound module for a video card
[01:03] <Kano> not in alsa at all
[01:03] <Kano> same for cx88-alsa (ok, maybe not so often needed as dvb)
[01:04] <BenC> we know this, and are going to work on making sure everything is there
[01:04] <Kano> you could add then em8300 too
[01:04] <BenC> we spent lots of time at uds discussing this exact situation
[01:04] <Kano> maybe let it default to oss
[01:04] <Kano> do you know that module?
[01:05] <BenC> look, without sounding too irritable, i have better things to do than answer a million questions from you right now
[01:05] <Kano>  cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@dxr3.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/dxr3 co -P
[01:05] <Kano> em8300
[01:05] <Kano> needed for dxr3 and similar cards
[01:06] <Kano> modules dir
[01:06] <Kano> you could add the firmware too
[01:06] <BenC> you could spend a little time cloning our tree, adding it, and requesting a pull
[01:07] <BenC> we do have lots of other things to tend to as well
[01:07] <Kano> sure
[01:08] <Kano> that and dmraid45 is missing, then you only need a cooler kernelconfig ;)
[01:09] <Kano> saily there is no official dmraid patch against 2.6.24 yet
[01:10] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/97655
[01:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97655 in linux-source-2.6.20 "dmraid45 target please" [Wishlist,Won't fix] 
[01:10] <Kano> the changes for dmraid work, but i did it for dmraid rc14, rc13 is outdated
[01:10] <ln-> Kano: you are wasting your time.
[01:11] <Kano> you dont want raid5 ?
[01:11] <ln-> no.
[01:11] <Kano> stupid
[07:44] <kraut> moin
[15:17] <Kano> rtg: Blacklisted bcm43cc and prism54?
[15:17] <Kano> the module is bcm43xx
[15:18] <Kano> also blacklisting would not help for discover
[15:18] <maks_> disabled in debian :)
[15:18] <Kano> yes but not in ubuntu
[15:18] <BenC> I don't think we really use discover
[15:18] <maks_> BenC: you own me an initramfs-tools sync :)
[15:19] <maks_> Kamion dude did the klibc part
[15:19] <Kano> BenC: saidly it is installed by default by live-helper
[15:19] <BenC> maks_: ah, we do need to sync that
[15:19] <maks_> xorg should no longer need that crap
[15:20] <BenC> Kano: used and installed are two different things
[15:20] <maks_> discover usualy comes with an init script
[15:20] <maks_> BenC: yep, that be cool
[15:45] <laga> any ETA on the new kernel upload to hardy?
[15:48] <rtg> laga: been waiting for the Alpha stuff to thaw.
[15:54] <laga> are there daily kernel builds on a ppa or something like that?
[15:54] <laga> otherwise, i'll just do a local build and push to my repo