| superm1 | blkorpheus, were you talking about the broken weather applet? | 02:13 |
|---|---|---|
| superm1 | its part of the clock now from what i just noticed | 02:13 |
| superm1 | right click your clock and you can check and uncheck to have it show you weather | 02:13 |
| blkorpheus | thats different than the weather applet from gnome | 02:14 |
| blkorpheus | it still exists, and is now fixed as of today | 02:14 |
| blkorpheus | I should not have to click the time, calender, etc, just to see weather, nd thankfully, I don't have to now:) | 02:15 |
| blkorpheus | I like the change to the time/calender feature | 02:15 |
| blkorpheus | but please don't remove the weather applet | 02:15 |
| blkorpheus | sadly, its what pulled me to gnome to begin with | 02:15 |
| blkorpheus | lol | 02:15 |
| blkorpheus | kweather was a joke by comparison | 02:16 |
| superm1 | haha | 02:18 |
| superm1 | well once you check/uncheck the box in the preferences, it shows up in your panel | 02:19 |
| superm1 | that's all i ever needed from it | 02:19 |
| superm1 | the temperature | 02:19 |
| superm1 | anything else i can look out the window and see | 02:19 |
| blkorpheus | lol | 02:24 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, never got to ask you, did you end up switching? | 02:46 |
| OpenMedia | To Mythbuntu? | 02:47 |
| OpenMedia | Lab box is running it, but we have big issues with supporting DTT in NZ before we can release. | 02:47 |
| OpenMedia | Likely to release on Hardy. | 02:47 |
| OpenMedia | superm1: Hows things? I'm at LCA in Melbourne this week | 02:47 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, pretty well right now | 02:51 |
| superm1 | i've just finished moving to TX myself | 02:51 |
| superm1 | what's LCA? | 02:51 |
| tritium | superm1: you did? You're only one state away now... | 02:51 |
| OpenMedia | Linux.Conf.AU | 02:51 |
| superm1 | tritium, where are you at? | 02:51 |
| tritium | superm1: NM | 02:51 |
| superm1 | ah | 02:51 |
| OpenMedia | I had a speaker slot. | 02:52 |
| superm1 | neat, what about? | 02:52 |
| OpenMedia | Currently in Keith Packards Talk on X changes | 02:52 |
| OpenMedia | I talked on developing products for Consumers. | 02:52 |
| superm1 | pretty broad topic | 02:52 |
| superm1 | go well? | 02:52 |
| OpenMedia | http://linux.conf.au/programme/wednesday | 02:52 |
| OpenMedia | See session 5 | 02:52 |
| OpenMedia | Yeah went down well. | 02:52 |
| OpenMedia | You can grab an OGG. | 02:53 |
| OpenMedia | Take a look at the Wednesday keynote as well | 02:53 |
| superm1 | how was attendance? I would imagine with competing to X acceleration that finally works was rough :) | 02:53 |
| OpenMedia | There are 700 people at the conference. I got about 70-80 | 02:55 |
| OpenMedia | possibly a bit more. | 02:55 |
| OpenMedia | My miniconf session on Tuesday was about 140 in the same room | 02:55 |
| OpenMedia | superm1: I take it that Hardy is keeping you busy | 02:56 |
| superm1 | yeah about what i would expect for attendance i suppose. | 02:57 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, oh yeah it has | 02:57 |
| superm1 | i was finishing up my last term at the end of last year, so a lot was on hold | 02:57 |
| OpenMedia | I was more than happy with my numbers. | 02:57 |
| superm1 | from now before I start my job i've been doing Ubuntu stuff non stop | 02:57 |
| tritium | superm1: were you in Iowa? | 02:57 |
| superm1 | tritium, yeah I was | 02:57 |
| tritium | But you were from the Chicago area, right? | 02:57 |
| OpenMedia | So have you started at Dell? | 02:57 |
| superm1 | yeah | 02:57 |
| superm1 | tritium, ^ | 02:57 |
| tritium | Oh, Dell? | 02:58 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, i don't start until the start of next month | 02:58 |
| tritium | Sweet, superm1. Will you hook up the NM LoCo with an official tour if you can? :D | 02:58 |
| superm1 | tritium, maybe some discounts, i dont know about a tour though :) | 02:59 |
| tritium | superm1: thanks :) | 02:59 |
| superm1 | we can come up with some sort of deal, patches for discounts..... | 02:59 |
| superm1 | hehe | 02:59 |
| tritium | Nice! I definitely intend to order a laptop once they offer preinstalls with 8.04 on them. | 02:59 |
| blkorpheus | one problem with myth | 02:59 |
| blkorpheus | I have no time to watch all the sheet I record | 03:00 |
| tritium | superm1: maybe you can make sure the TV tuners Dell uses in their laptops (and desktops) work with mythtv ;) | 03:00 |
| superm1 | tritium, well i'll see what influence I have within the company, but you can believe that will be something on my mind either way | 03:00 |
| tritium | I'm glad to hear it. Congratulations on your job! | 03:01 |
| superm1 | thx :) | 03:01 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, you coming to ULive again this year? | 03:01 |
| superm1 | haha blkorpheus yeah i know that feeling | 03:01 |
| blkorpheus | :) | 03:02 |
| OpenMedia | superm1: Only if I get a speaker slot at OSCON. | 03:04 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, ah yeah. i'm not sure yet this year for myself either | 03:05 |
| superm1 | did you submit any proposals? | 03:05 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, ah its a little lengthy, i'll have to watch this sometime tomorrow | 03:06 |
| OpenMedia | I just need to hit send. I had problems with my login, and I wanted to see how well they went here this week. | 03:07 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, as for hardy though, i just switched everything over to trunk yesterday | 03:09 |
| superm1 | they are freezing upstream in preparation for 0.21 by the end of the week | 03:09 |
| superm1 | so things will be happening all together very shortly | 03:09 |
| OpenMedia | Gotta go.. Session change coming up. | 03:09 |
| superm1 | okay cu | 03:09 |
| mythtv_ | hi when my setup launches the application bar of X stays on top , how can i fix this ? | 03:30 |
| mythtv_ | hello? | 03:33 |
| mythtv_ | must be sleepy for most part of the channel | 03:35 |
| blkorpheus | most channels you just ask your question | 03:44 |
| blkorpheus | geez | 03:44 |
| * blkorpheus "hello?", wait 2mins and leave..ppl baffle me | 03:45 | |
| galileo | I may be in the wrong room, so feel free to point me in another direction. I need some assistance setting up my tuner card. | 04:22 |
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| martymoose | msg /motd | 09:34 |
| Guest18265 | hello. | 09:54 |
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| tom___ | is anyone here? | 09:55 |
| baal | i have installed myhtbuntu but cant seem to get mythweb is there something i need to do to enable it | 12:00 |
| laga | is it installed? | 12:00 |
| laga | how do you want to access it? | 12:00 |
| baal | lags via a browser is the norm | 12:01 |
| laga | well | 12:01 |
| laga | and what do you type in your browser? | 12:02 |
| baal | laga the ip of the machine | 12:02 |
| laga | and what do you get? | 12:02 |
| baal | just an apache defaut page | 12:03 |
| stowaway2 | hey whats a file browser in mythubuntu | 12:03 |
| stowaway2 | ? | 12:03 |
| laga | baal: try <ip>/mythweb | 12:03 |
| baal | notfound | 12:03 |
| laga | baal: did you replace <ip> with the actual IP address? | 12:04 |
| baal | yes of cource | 12:04 |
| laga | then mythweb is not installed or not enabled properly | 12:05 |
| baal | is there a way to reinstall the mythweb | 12:05 |
| laga | sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythweb | 12:05 |
| laga | to reconfigure | 12:05 |
| baal | it says "mythweb is broken or not fully installed" | 12:06 |
| baal | how do i reinstall that package ? | 12:06 |
| laga | sudo aptitude reinstall mythweb | 12:07 |
| laga | probably | 12:07 |
| baal | ok great mythweb seems to be working but has errors | 12:11 |
| baal | Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/init.php, line 301: | 12:12 |
| baal | unlink(data/cache/9.png) [function.unlink]: Operation not permitted | 12:12 |
| baal | any idea what that means ? | 12:13 |
| baal | ok thats my fault i havent reset the user and group on the images | 12:17 |
| baal | maybe not | 12:20 |
| baal | its talking about the channel icons but I cant find any directory structure like its having issues with | 12:21 |
| baal | theres no data/cache/9.png | 12:21 |
| laga | i'd suggest you purge mythweb, remove anything else that's left including your modifications and reinstall. | 12:22 |
| laga | mythweb, that is. | 12:22 |
| baal | i might just reboot see if this cache issue can fix it self | 12:23 |
| baal | thanks for the help laga much aprecieated ! | 12:28 |
| laga | :) | 12:29 |
| kiwi_uk | Hi all, I'm having trouble finding out how to enable MPEG 2 encoding for Live TV | 13:48 |
| kiwi_uk | Myth only has options for RTjpeg and MPEG-4 | 13:48 |
| laga | there's no such thing unless you use DVB/hardware encoder cards | 13:48 |
| kiwi_uk | Oh :( | 13:48 |
| kiwi_uk | Well, thanks for answering :) | 13:49 |
| kiwi_uk | I'm trying to use a MediaMVP as my front end and it only plays MPEG or MPEG2 you see | 13:50 |
| laga | a mediamvp with the original software? | 13:59 |
| Shred00 | i'm wondering why ubuntu-mythtv-frontend needs gdm | 16:22 |
| Shred00 | also, wondering what level of lirc support is in mythbuntu currrently? can the frontend be stopped/started from the remote (i.e. irexec) | 16:23 |
| Shred00 | i'm trying to decide if i want to "upgrade" my ubuntu custom rolled fe/be to a mythbuntu (proper) system and ubuntu-mythtv-frontend seems to want to add a lot to what is already a working installation for me. | 16:23 |
| Shred00 | gnome-screensaver... why do i need/want that too? | 16:24 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | ubuntu-mythtv-frontend does automagic logins and stuff, which is why it requires gdm IIRC | 16:25 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | the rest of those are prob gdm requirements | 16:25 |
| Shred00 | oh my, it seems mythbuntu uses a window manager (openbox) too. why is a window manager necessary? mythfrontend is a single X application. there are no windows that need managing. | 16:25 |
| laga | not true | 16:25 |
| Shred00 | why go through gdm though? just start X and start mythfrontend on it | 16:25 |
| Shred00 | laga: what's not true? | 16:26 |
| laga | you'll quickly run into focus issues if you use mplayer or xine | 16:26 |
| laga | w/o a window manager, that is | 16:26 |
| laga | might even happen with po-ups | 16:26 |
| laga | pop-ups* | 16:26 |
| laga | and we use gdm so the user can swith between different sessions, eg mythtv and gnome | 16:27 |
| laga | ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is deprecated in mythbuntu and not used, FYI | 16:27 |
| Shred00 | why would i use mplayer or xine? | 16:27 |
| Shred00 | as for popups, i've been running a windowless mythfrontend since 0.18 and not had any popup focus issues. i even ran mplayer with mythvideo before the internal player was supported with no window manager and never had focus issues | 16:27 |
| laga | Shred00: you're lucky then | 16:27 |
| laga | anyways. | 16:27 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | laga its still used if you built on top of an existing ubuntu system I think | 16:28 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | well I still use it at least | 16:28 |
| laga | i dont know why you would use mplayer or xine :) | 16:28 |
| laga | rhpot1991_laptop: i use it, too | 16:28 |
| Shred00 | different sessions? this is a standalone pvr! why would i want to switch anything? | 16:28 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | xine works good for dvd/iso playback with menus | 16:28 |
| laga | Shred00: dude. | 16:28 |
| Shred00 | maybe i should start from a different pov. | 16:29 |
| laga | Shred00: if you don't like the way we do things and if your current setup is working fine, then don't use mythbuntu | 16:29 |
| laga | not everyone has your exact needs and setup | 16:29 |
| Shred00 | what meta package(s) should i install on a dedicated standalone FE/BE machine to make it a bona fide mythbuntu system? | 16:29 |
| Daviey | Many people have had focus issues, hence our current design | 16:29 |
| laga | people might want to use mplayer or xine for exotic formats | 16:29 |
| laga | Shred00: mythbuntu-desktop | 16:30 |
| laga | Shred00: that'll give you even more dependencies | 16:30 |
| Shred00 | laga: sorry, don't mean to bash. trying to be constructive. apologies for not coming across that way. | 16:31 |
| laga | Shred00: you're right about gdm, though, it slows down booting by a few seconds. shouldn't be too much | 16:31 |
| laga | Shred00: yeah, sorry, i'm being a bit on the edge today | 16:31 |
| laga | Shred00: ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is the old way of doing thing. openbox is a minimal window manager and shouldn't hurt. | 16:32 |
| Shred00 | mythbuntu-desktop? is that really for a standalone pvr? the name hints that it's a for a login-to-a-desktop-and-also-use-mythfrontend type of set up. | 16:32 |
| laga | Shred00: mythbuntu-desktop is a meta package that will pull in gdm and our configuration app, mythbuntu-desktop | 16:32 |
| Shred00 | i don't see mythbuntu-desktop in the Packages file | 16:33 |
| laga | Shred00: are you running gutsy? | 16:33 |
| Shred00 | for gutsy anyway | 16:33 |
| Shred00 | http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages | 16:33 |
| laga | Shred00: it's in universe or multiverse | 16:33 |
| laga | oh. | 16:33 |
| laga | those builds | 16:33 |
| laga | yes, it's in the multiverse or universe section of the main mirrors | 16:33 |
| Shred00 | ahh. is in my apt cache though | 16:33 |
| Shred00 | ahhh. got it. | 16:33 |
| laga | Shred00: maybe you want to go to www.mythbuntu.org and look at some screenshots. that'll clarify what mythbuntu-desktop is going to give you | 16:34 |
| laga | eg a light-weight xfce desktop and mythbuntu-control-centre. | 16:34 |
| Daviey | It used to be an even lighter vm, but demand wanted xfce | 16:35 |
| laga | makes things easier even for hardcore mythtv users. unless you need total control, but there have to be trade-offs when doing a ready-made mythtv distro | 16:35 |
| laga | Daviey: i don't mind xfce that much | 16:35 |
| laga | it justs means i won't upgrade my frontends which are low on memory | 16:35 |
| Shred00 | i wonder if the use of a WM can be made easily optional | 16:35 |
| Daviey | Shred00: do you use framebuffer with myth? | 16:36 |
| Shred00 | Daviey: no, X on an nvidia 5200. i'd love to use a direct framebuffer and kick X but myth just don't do that | 16:36 |
| Daviey | it _can_ do that | 16:37 |
| laga | Shred00: not with mythbuntu-desktop. ubuntu-mythtv-frontend: maybe. | 16:37 |
| Shred00 | i used to do that with directfb and that other pvr project | 16:37 |
| laga | freevo | 16:37 |
| laga | :) | 16:37 |
| Shred00 | yeah | 16:37 |
| Shred00 | how can you get myth on a framebuffer? | 16:37 |
| laga | directfb | 16:37 |
| Daviey | Shred00: spend a weekend getting directfb to work | 16:37 |
| laga | you'll have to build it yourself. | 16:37 |
| Shred00 | 'cause really, X is waaaaay overkill for a set-top-box | 16:37 |
| laga | Daviey: i spent two weeks | 16:37 |
| Daviey | heh | 16:37 |
| * laga does not recommend mythtv with directfb. | 16:38 | |
| Shred00 | and what toolkits sit between myth and the framebuffer? | 16:38 |
| laga | directfb and qt embedded. | 16:38 |
| Shred00 | afaik qt doesn't support directfb | 16:38 |
| Shred00 | ahhh. embedded | 16:38 |
| Shred00 | i tried that when i came over from freevo | 16:38 |
| Shred00 | was a lot of pain back then. around myth 0.18 days iirc | 16:39 |
| Shred00 | i have a g400 which directfb has amazing support for | 16:40 |
| Shred00 | the tv-out is impeccable. | 16:40 |
| Shred00 | supports real interlace, unlike the nvidia 5200 | 16:41 |
| laga | got one, too. | 16:42 |
| laga | tv-out is awesome, even over composite | 16:43 |
| Shred00 | laga: indeed. did you build .debs or did you do a much of make installs? | 16:44 |
| laga | it was three years ago. i don't use it anymore | 16:44 |
| laga | never got it working right | 16:45 |
| Shred00 | oh. lol. i thought you were talking about a recent, good, experience | 16:45 |
| laga | the directfb code is mostly unmaintained, too | 16:45 |
| laga | no | 16:45 |
| laga | mplayer worked well :) | 16:45 |
| Shred00 | really? it was pretty well maintained a few years ago when i was using it. | 16:45 |
| laga | in mythtv? | 16:46 |
| Shred00 | laga: no, with freevo | 16:46 |
| Shred00 | oh. i misuderstood | 16:46 |
| laga | never tried it with freevo :) | 16:46 |
| laga | heh | 16:46 |
| Shred00 | you mean the myth directfb code | 16:46 |
| laga | yes | 16:46 |
| Shred00 | i thought you meant directfb itself | 16:46 |
| Shred00 | i'd love to see a more lightweight meta package that dispenses with gdm and gnome-screensaver, powers mythfrontend from the power button on the remote and boots directly to a running mythfrontend. | 16:49 |
| Shred00 | i suppose even better would be to make the use of a WM and gdm optional in mcc. | 16:51 |
| laga | gdm: maybe | 16:51 |
| laga | WM: not gonna happen | 16:51 |
| laga | at least i won't do it | 16:52 |
| laga | gnome-screensaver is kinda important, too. | 16:52 |
| Shred00 | perhaps even make the option of a WM "hidden" in that it is (de-)selected automatically based on whether mplayer or xine (or any other applications) are being configured | 16:52 |
| Shred00 | why is g-s important? | 16:52 |
| laga | burn-in on plasmas etc. we patched mythtv to support gnome-screensaver instead of xscreensaver. | 16:53 |
| laga | WM: it's not gonna happen. mythbuntu uses a complete desktop environment which won't work without a WM | 16:53 |
| Shred00 | interestingly though, my FE machine actually "blacks" out after inactivity which of course saves the screen. | 16:53 |
| Daviey | Shred00: I really don't think mythbuntu is suitable for you | 16:54 |
| laga | mythbuntu is not a set top box :) | 16:54 |
| Shred00 | Daviey: why not? all i want is a "no-frills" ubuntu myth machine | 16:55 |
| Shred00 | the mcc is nice. | 16:55 |
| Daviey | Shred00: you seem unhappy with every aspect so far :) | 16:55 |
| Shred00 | what makes mythbuntu so well poised to be a no-frills installation is that doing less is a lot easier than doing more. :-) | 16:56 |
| laga | because mythbuntu is not a "no-frills" ubuntu mythtv machine | 16:56 |
| laga | Shred00: you want to remove gnome-screensaver and the WM. those are pretty essential to a mythbuntu box | 16:58 |
| Shred00 | laga: i agree completely with you on g-s iff X didn't have it's own built-in "don't burn the screen" mode which seems to work just fine. and really, in the case where you run no other apps but the mythfrontend, i don't see why a WM is necessary. | 17:01 |
| Shred00 | i'm just trying to reduce bloat a bit for lower end systems. i run myth on an athlon 800, and that's a recent upgrade from the PIII i used to run it on. sadly it has 512MB in it. that's overkill for what should be an STB. | 17:01 |
| laga | um | 17:02 |
| laga | ok | 17:02 |
| laga | let's try it again. | 17:02 |
| laga | mythbuntu is not a STB. | 17:02 |
| laga | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Window_Managers | 17:03 |
| Shred00 | laga: yeah | 17:04 |
| laga | Shred00: you obviously want a STB | 17:05 |
| laga | Shred00: mythbuntu is not a STB | 17:06 |
| laga | can you see a pattern there? :) | 17:06 |
| laga | mythbuntu implies: desktop environment. no DE without a WM. | 17:06 |
| Shred00 | why does mythbuntu imply desktop? | 17:06 |
| laga | Shred00: ubuntu-mythtv-frontend could be tailored to your needs. | 17:06 |
| laga | Shred00: because we did it that way. | 17:07 |
| Shred00 | regarding the myth wiki Window_Managers link you sent... the first paragraph says it all | 17:07 |
| laga | sigh. | 17:07 |
| laga | i give up | 17:08 |
| laga | you refuse to understand | 17:08 |
| Shred00 | wow. that was mature. | 17:08 |
| Shred00 | i'm simply trying to expand the functionality of mythbuntu | 17:08 |
| Shred00 | i don't refuse to understand what laga was saying. i'm simply trying to expand on what mythbuntu has been so far. | 17:10 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | mythbuntu is meant for people who want to throw a cd in their computer install and have a working mythtv box without needing to configure everything by hand, you should just do it yourself if you want it that customized | 17:12 |
| Shred00 | rhpot1991_laptop: i agree exactly with your first statement. nothing about that statement implies that you need gdm, gnome-screensaver, a window manager, etc. | 17:13 |
| Shred00 | what laga describes sounds more like it's meant for people who want a mythtv box with all sort of other "desktop switching" stuff too. | 17:14 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | its what users want, has developed into that over time | 17:15 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | a bit late to go back and change all that now | 17:15 |
| Shred00 | more like what i have in the bedroom than the living room. bedroom is a desktop pc with e-mail, browsing, etc. and is also a myth FE. living room is a FE only | 17:15 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | if it was your way then it would be a pain for me to go and use xine or mplayer for my movies | 17:15 |
| Shred00 | rhpot1991_laptop: ahhh. but i don't think there is any need to "go back" and undo anything. nothing that has be done so far precludes the "dedicated FE" type set up | 17:15 |
| Shred00 | rhpot1991_laptop: indeed, i'm not looking to make that any more difficult. i just want to reduce the bloat for those who don't want any of that. | 17:16 |
| Shred00 | if users want to switch to a desktop, i don't want to prevent that, nor do i want to prevent using xine or mplayer. i just want them all to be choices and the required extra bloat needed to support them only added if they make those choices. | 17:17 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | thats beyond most users, so its easier for you to just go and do that for your box on your own | 17:18 |
| Shred00 | clicking checkboxes is beyond most users? you must have had to choose to use xine or mplayer didn't you? | 17:19 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | well its meant for an average user, so its a lot easier to have it ready to add xine to than have to instruct them as to how to do so in a more complicated process at a later point | 17:20 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | I don't understand why you don't just go make your setup how you want it, instead of complaining how mythbuntu does it in here? | 17:21 |
| Shred00 | ahhh. perhaps that's where the confusion is coming from. i think what i propose is more behind the scenes stuff | 17:21 |
| Shred00 | i don't think the user should have to choose whether to use a wm or gdm, etc. the users choices to use xine or mplayer or have a switchable desktop, etc. should make those choices for them. | 17:22 |
| Shred00 | sure, i could just make some changes, but i'm trying to contribute. i am sure i'm not the first person to want a strictly-stb type of ubuntu based mythbox and probably won't be the last. i'm just trying to make it easier for the next guy. | 17:23 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | the problem with that methodology is its a lot harder for them to add xine support at a later point to their system | 17:27 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | if someone shows up in here and says "my dvd menus don't work" | 17:27 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | I am gonna point them at a wiki for how to setup xine in mythvideo | 17:27 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | with your method then I have to get them a working WM first, or some other way of controlling xine properly | 17:27 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | its really a case of supply and demand, what you want has a lower demand, so you get a WM if you use mythbuntu | 17:28 |
| Shred00 | ahhh. i would see a choice to use xine as an mcc thing, that then configured a wm for them as well as configuring myth to use xine. | 17:28 |
| jawil | any reason why I can't download the Mythbuntu iso or the torrent from the website? | 18:42 |
| superm1 | jawil, of 7.10? | 18:43 |
| superm1 | not working? | 18:43 |
| jawil | yeah | 18:43 |
| superm1 | that's not good. | 18:43 |
| jawil | none of the links of the downloads page work for me | 18:43 |
| superm1 | try a second time and you should be given another mirror | 18:43 |
| superm1 | do you know which one wasn't working? | 18:43 |
| superm1 | yeah works for me (tm) | 18:44 |
| jawil | I get to here: http://mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso and nothing happens, blank page... | 18:44 |
| superm1 | turn off adblock plus if you've got it on | 18:44 |
| superm1 | it may filter the javascript | 18:44 |
| jawil | there we go | 18:45 |
| jawil | NoScript was the problem | 18:45 |
| superm1 | maybe a warning is appropriate on that page | 18:45 |
| superm1 | i'll add one in | 18:45 |
| jawil | for some reason google-analytics.com is necessary... | 18:45 |
| superm1 | yes | 18:45 |
| superm1 | we need to track bandwidth usage on the mirrors | 18:45 |
| jawil | because mythbuntu.org was already allowed | 18:45 |
| jawil | oh, ok gotchya | 18:45 |
| superm1 | that's how we do our load balancing | 18:46 |
| jawil | I'm a security freak, so don't like tracking ;) | 18:46 |
| jawil | but that makes sense | 18:46 |
| superm1 | there we go added a warning | 18:47 |
| MythbuntuGuest93 | Hi, I just got an HD Cable box and I was wondering how to configure the firewire to record the content off of the box. | 18:47 |
| MythbuntuGuest93 | is the info in the manual? | 18:47 |
| jawil | looks good | 18:47 |
| superm1 | there's a howto on help.ubuntu.com | 18:47 |
| superm1 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire?highlight=%28firewire%29 | 18:48 |
| MythbuntuGuest93 | thanks superm1, i'll take a read. Is there anyway to tell if your firewire port is disabled before you configure everything? | 18:48 |
| superm1 | yeah but it depends on the cable box | 18:48 |
| superm1 | most motorola ones you can hit the power button (to turn it off ), followed by select/ok | 18:49 |
| superm1 | on the remote | 18:49 |
| superm1 | and then its in one of the menus that show up | 18:49 |
| MythbuntuGuest93 | i have comcast with a motorola DCH 3200 | 18:49 |
| superm1 | other cable boxes you'll have to Google | 18:49 |
| MythbuntuGuest93 | the online documentation is only for the Motorola DCT-62xx and Scientific Atlanta SA3250HD/SA4200HD | 18:51 |
| MythbuntuGuest93 | can i use the same information for the DCH 3200? | 18:51 |
| superm1 | most likely yeah | 18:51 |
| MythbuntuGuest93 | ok, sweet, thanks for the info. | 18:52 |
| jawil | damn, I'm going to have to use ndiswrapper for my wireless card, how depressing | 18:55 |
| superm1 | well at least functional though | 18:56 |
| jawil | true | 18:57 |
| MythbuntuGuest93 | superm1; right now i have a SD lineup that I use with my pvr-500 connection. Should i make a new lineup, that has all the channels for the STB? or should i just add it to the existing old one? | 18:57 |
| superm1 | MythbuntuGuest93, before doing anything with a line up, see if it works | 18:58 |
| superm1 | just set it to "no lineup" | 18:58 |
| superm1 | you will eventually need another one though | 18:58 |
| MythbuntuGuest93 | k. thanks | 18:59 |
| MythbuntuGuest64 | hello i want to know how shutdown the pc with the remote control | 19:59 |
| Shred00 | MythbuntuGuest64: the whole PC or the mythfrontend? | 20:00 |
| superm1 | autogen | 20:00 |
| superm1 | oops my bad, wrong window | 20:00 |
| superm1 | MythbuntuGuest64, there is a thread on the forums that talks about it i believe | 20:01 |
| MythbuntuGuest64 | in with forum? | 20:01 |
| MythbuntuGuest64 | where is the dorum? i mean | 20:02 |
| superm1 | see /t | 20:02 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu.org/support has a link to the forums | 20:02 |
| Daviey | MythbuntuGuest64: Use the thread for guidance, otherwise you'll need to SUID "halt" (ie, allow any user to exec a command root normally needs to execute), then have lirc execute halt | 20:02 |
| MythbuntuGuest64 | ok thanks i search fr it | 20:02 |
| Shred00 | MythbuntuGuest64: the tool you want is irexec. i'd be interested in seeing how/if mythbuntu use it | 20:02 |
| superm1 | Shred00, there is nothing that we have automated for it, but some users have written a howto | 20:03 |
| Shred00 | superm1: ahhh. i'd like to see irexec used in mythbunutu, and perhaps configurable to either restart the whole machine or mythfrontend | 20:03 |
| Shred00 | i use it for the latter quite successfully, but i don't have the whole mythbuntu desktop stuff on my FE | 20:04 |
| Shred00 | i launch X and then put mythfrontend directly on top of that. nothing else. | 20:04 |
| superm1 | well our scripts do check for irexec in lircrc | 20:04 |
| superm1 | if it is mentioned in there, irexec -d gets started | 20:04 |
| superm1 | so it would just be a matter of properly adding support to mythbuntu lirc generator | 20:05 |
| superm1 | which can be feasibly done | 20:05 |
| Shred00 | so irexec just calls a script that checks if mythfrontend is running and stops it if it is and starts it if it's not | 20:05 |
| superm1 | well what irexec does is configured in your lircrc | 20:05 |
| Shred00 | superm1: which package does the script that does that checking live in? | 20:05 |
| superm1 | but to at least start the daemon is automatically done | 20:05 |
| Shred00 | i'd like to inherit that start daemon from mythbuntu | 20:06 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu-default-settings | 20:06 |
| Shred00 | superm1: thanx! | 20:06 |
| superm1 | Shred00, if you have any improvements to it, i'm very open to patches | 20:07 |
| superm1 | just let me know | 20:07 |
| Shred00 | ugh. depends on xfce4-utils | 20:07 |
| superm1 | its the xfce4 session startup script | 20:07 |
| superm1 | *we use xfce4 for a balance with usability to people and lightweight) | 20:08 |
| Shred00 | yeah, this goes back to the earlier discussion of wm or no-wm | 20:08 |
| superm1 | ah. | 20:08 |
| superm1 | ubuntu-mythtv-frontend (the even more lightweight and less usable route) has a similar way of starting irexec | 20:10 |
| Shred00 | (without having looked at the mythbuntu-default-settings package) would you be open to separating out the lirc bits and depending on a new package? i don't think ubuntu-proper's lirc package(s) have irexec support | 20:11 |
| Shred00 | i understand ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is deprecated | 20:11 |
| superm1 | yeah | 20:11 |
| superm1 | the lirc packages are where irexec comes from | 20:11 |
| superm1 | this is just a way of starting it for the user at login | 20:11 |
| Shred00 | do you repackage the lirc packages in any way or use them from ubuntu as is? | 20:12 |
| superm1 | the same packages are used for both | 20:12 |
| superm1 | i've improved the lirc packages in the interest of ubuntu and mythbuntu | 20:12 |
| Daviey | Which is the ethos of the mythbuntu project :) | 20:12 |
| Shred00 | nice. | 20:12 |
| Shred00 | i do see that the lirc startup script does start irexec | 20:12 |
| Shred00 | yes, i like that goal | 20:13 |
| Cygnet | I just moved, and now I'm only getting static on my mythtv box (cable is on and working, and I had the mythtv box working in a different apartment in the same building) | 20:22 |
| Cygnet | I've tried switching out the coax cable I'm using, and restarting mythtv | 20:23 |
| LT_Tuvok | Possible that wall outlet is damaged | 20:29 |
| Cygnet | I have a TV and a cable modem plugged into the same outlet (with splitters) and they both work | 20:31 |
| LT_Tuvok | splitters degrade the signal, perhaps try another outlet? | 20:32 |
| LT_Tuvok | depends how many times its split of course | 20:32 |
| Cygnet | we only have the one cable jack, unfortunately | 20:33 |
| Cygnet | I'll try plugging it in directly to the jack and see if that works | 20:33 |
| Cygnet | that will take me offline, so brb :p | 20:33 |
| LT_Tuvok | I await the results | 20:33 |
| LT_Tuvok | understood | 20:34 |
| Cygnet | no joy, I get noisy static instead of silent static :p | 20:37 |
| Cygnet | (well, I guess that would be partial joy) | 20:38 |
| Shred00 | Cygnet: have you tried simply moving the coax cable from your mythbox to a tv to "see" for yourself what the tuner in the mythbox is seeing? | 20:40 |
| Cygnet | I did try switching the cables for the TV and the mythbox to see if the cable was bad, but I'll try switching the cable again | 20:41 |
| Shred00 | Cygnet: no, i don't mean swapping cables. i mean taking the connection off the tuner and moving it to the tv. so that the tv is exactly where the myth tuner was in the cable equation | 20:42 |
| Cygnet | I just did that | 20:43 |
| Shred00 | did the tv see snow? | 20:43 |
| Cygnet | I had only been looking at the one channel on the TV, I just tried channel surfing and got a whole lot of nothing | 20:44 |
| Cygnet | so looks like the problem is with the cable | 20:44 |
| Shred00 | or jack, or anything downstream from the tv | 20:44 |
| Cygnet | I'm going to try plugging the tv in directly to the wall, I might go offline | 20:45 |
| Cygnet | TV still gets nothing | 20:47 |
| Cygnet | we just moved in and we had trouble getting the (cable) internet turned on, so we may be having problems with the cable TV too :p | 20:48 |
| Cygnet | well, I'm off -- thanks for your help, guys. | 20:51 |
| LT_Tuvok | illogical | 21:01 |
| astyler | how would I unstinstall mythtv? | 22:23 |
| astyler | sudo apt-get remove mythtv did something, but I can still run mythtv | 22:23 |
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| LT_Tuvok | RTDP | 23:00 |
| LT_Tuvok | Read the documentation please | 23:01 |
| LT_Tuvok | there have been hard work to comppile documentation, that some don't bother to read | 23:01 |
| LT_Tuvok | most curious | 23:01 |
| LT_Tuvok | more than likely a FAQ | 23:01 |
| LT_Tuvok | but at the elast, you should know how to install and remove software | 23:02 |
| superm1 | astyler, apt-get remove mythtv-* | 23:12 |
| superm1 | will take it all out | 23:12 |
| astyler | thanks superm1 | 23:14 |
| astyler | couldn't find anything in the documentation | 23:15 |
| stowaway2 | hello.. I dont suppose there is some sort of device manager program i can install for ubuntu ? | 23:47 |
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| Stowaway | cant seem to get my damn dvico dvb tuner to work | 23:48 |
| superm1 | best to check dmesg and see if its just missing firmware | 23:49 |
| superm1 | or if there are any drivers loading for it whatsoever | 23:49 |
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