[02:13] blkorpheus, were you talking about the broken weather applet? [02:13] its part of the clock now from what i just noticed [02:13] right click your clock and you can check and uncheck to have it show you weather [02:14] thats different than the weather applet from gnome [02:14] it still exists, and is now fixed as of today [02:15] I should not have to click the time, calender, etc, just to see weather, nd thankfully, I don't have to now:) [02:15] I like the change to the time/calender feature [02:15] but please don't remove the weather applet [02:15] sadly, its what pulled me to gnome to begin with [02:15] lol [02:16] kweather was a joke by comparison [02:18] haha [02:19] well once you check/uncheck the box in the preferences, it shows up in your panel [02:19] that's all i ever needed from it [02:19] the temperature [02:19] anything else i can look out the window and see [02:24] lol [02:46] OpenMedia, never got to ask you, did you end up switching? [02:47] To Mythbuntu? [02:47] Lab box is running it, but we have big issues with supporting DTT in NZ before we can release. [02:47] Likely to release on Hardy. [02:47] superm1: Hows things? I'm at LCA in Melbourne this week [02:51] OpenMedia, pretty well right now [02:51] i've just finished moving to TX myself [02:51] what's LCA? [02:51] superm1: you did? You're only one state away now... [02:51] Linux.Conf.AU [02:51] tritium, where are you at? [02:51] superm1: NM [02:51] ah [02:52] I had a speaker slot. [02:52] neat, what about? [02:52] Currently in Keith Packards Talk on X changes [02:52] I talked on developing products for Consumers. [02:52] pretty broad topic [02:52] go well? [02:52] http://linux.conf.au/programme/wednesday [02:52] See session 5 [02:52] Yeah went down well. [02:53] You can grab an OGG. [02:53] Take a look at the Wednesday keynote as well [02:53] how was attendance? I would imagine with competing to X acceleration that finally works was rough :) [02:55] There are 700 people at the conference. I got about 70-80 [02:55] possibly a bit more. [02:55] My miniconf session on Tuesday was about 140 in the same room [02:56] superm1: I take it that Hardy is keeping you busy [02:57] yeah about what i would expect for attendance i suppose. [02:57] OpenMedia, oh yeah it has [02:57] i was finishing up my last term at the end of last year, so a lot was on hold [02:57] I was more than happy with my numbers. [02:57] from now before I start my job i've been doing Ubuntu stuff non stop [02:57] superm1: were you in Iowa? [02:57] tritium, yeah I was [02:57] But you were from the Chicago area, right? [02:57] So have you started at Dell? [02:57] yeah [02:57] tritium, ^ [02:58] Oh, Dell? [02:58] OpenMedia, i don't start until the start of next month [02:58] Sweet, superm1. Will you hook up the NM LoCo with an official tour if you can? :D [02:59] tritium, maybe some discounts, i dont know about a tour though :) [02:59] superm1: thanks :) [02:59] we can come up with some sort of deal, patches for discounts..... [02:59] hehe [02:59] Nice! I definitely intend to order a laptop once they offer preinstalls with 8.04 on them. [02:59] one problem with myth [03:00] I have no time to watch all the sheet I record [03:00] superm1: maybe you can make sure the TV tuners Dell uses in their laptops (and desktops) work with mythtv ;) [03:00] tritium, well i'll see what influence I have within the company, but you can believe that will be something on my mind either way [03:01] I'm glad to hear it. Congratulations on your job! [03:01] thx :) [03:01] OpenMedia, you coming to ULive again this year? [03:01] haha blkorpheus yeah i know that feeling [03:02] :) [03:04] superm1: Only if I get a speaker slot at OSCON. [03:05] OpenMedia, ah yeah. i'm not sure yet this year for myself either [03:05] did you submit any proposals? [03:06] OpenMedia, ah its a little lengthy, i'll have to watch this sometime tomorrow [03:07] I just need to hit send. I had problems with my login, and I wanted to see how well they went here this week. [03:09] OpenMedia, as for hardy though, i just switched everything over to trunk yesterday [03:09] they are freezing upstream in preparation for 0.21 by the end of the week [03:09] so things will be happening all together very shortly [03:09] Gotta go.. Session change coming up. [03:09] okay cu [03:30] hi when my setup launches the application bar of X stays on top , how can i fix this ? [03:33] hello? [03:35] must be sleepy for most part of the channel [03:44] most channels you just ask your question [03:44] geez [03:45] * blkorpheus "hello?", wait 2mins and leave..ppl baffle me [04:22] I may be in the wrong room, so feel free to point me in another direction. I need some assistance setting up my tuner card. === Tari is now known as Tari|zzz === blkorpheus is now known as Tuvok === Tuvok is now known as Tuvok4774 === Tuvok4774 is now known as LT === LT is now known as LT_Tuvok [09:34] msg /motd [09:54] hello. === Guest18265 is now known as stowaway [09:55] is anyone here? [12:00] i have installed myhtbuntu but cant seem to get mythweb is there something i need to do to enable it [12:00] is it installed? [12:00] how do you want to access it? [12:01] lags via a browser is the norm [12:01] well [12:02] and what do you type in your browser? [12:02] laga the ip of the machine [12:02] and what do you get? [12:03] just an apache defaut page [12:03] hey whats a file browser in mythubuntu [12:03] ? [12:03] baal: try /mythweb [12:03] notfound [12:04] baal: did you replace with the actual IP address? [12:04] yes of cource [12:05] then mythweb is not installed or not enabled properly [12:05] is there a way to reinstall the mythweb [12:05] sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythweb [12:05] to reconfigure [12:06] it says "mythweb is broken or not fully installed" [12:06] how do i reinstall that package ? [12:07] sudo aptitude reinstall mythweb [12:07] probably [12:11] ok great mythweb seems to be working but has errors [12:12] Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/init.php, line 301: [12:12] unlink(data/cache/9.png) [function.unlink]: Operation not permitted [12:13] any idea what that means ? [12:17] ok thats my fault i havent reset the user and group on the images [12:20] maybe not [12:21] its talking about the channel icons but I cant find any directory structure like its having issues with [12:21] theres no data/cache/9.png [12:22] i'd suggest you purge mythweb, remove anything else that's left including your modifications and reinstall. [12:22] mythweb, that is. [12:23] i might just reboot see if this cache issue can fix it self [12:28] thanks for the help laga much aprecieated ! [12:29] :) [13:48] Hi all, I'm having trouble finding out how to enable MPEG 2 encoding for Live TV [13:48] Myth only has options for RTjpeg and MPEG-4 [13:48] there's no such thing unless you use DVB/hardware encoder cards [13:48] Oh :( [13:49] Well, thanks for answering :) [13:50] I'm trying to use a MediaMVP as my front end and it only plays MPEG or MPEG2 you see [13:59] a mediamvp with the original software? [16:22] i'm wondering why ubuntu-mythtv-frontend needs gdm [16:23] also, wondering what level of lirc support is in mythbuntu currrently? can the frontend be stopped/started from the remote (i.e. irexec) [16:23] i'm trying to decide if i want to "upgrade" my ubuntu custom rolled fe/be to a mythbuntu (proper) system and ubuntu-mythtv-frontend seems to want to add a lot to what is already a working installation for me. [16:24] gnome-screensaver... why do i need/want that too? [16:25] ubuntu-mythtv-frontend does automagic logins and stuff, which is why it requires gdm IIRC [16:25] the rest of those are prob gdm requirements [16:25] oh my, it seems mythbuntu uses a window manager (openbox) too. why is a window manager necessary? mythfrontend is a single X application. there are no windows that need managing. [16:25] not true [16:25] why go through gdm though? just start X and start mythfrontend on it [16:26] laga: what's not true? [16:26] you'll quickly run into focus issues if you use mplayer or xine [16:26] w/o a window manager, that is [16:26] might even happen with po-ups [16:26] pop-ups* [16:27] and we use gdm so the user can swith between different sessions, eg mythtv and gnome [16:27] ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is deprecated in mythbuntu and not used, FYI [16:27] why would i use mplayer or xine? [16:27] as for popups, i've been running a windowless mythfrontend since 0.18 and not had any popup focus issues. i even ran mplayer with mythvideo before the internal player was supported with no window manager and never had focus issues [16:27] Shred00: you're lucky then [16:27] anyways. [16:28] laga its still used if you built on top of an existing ubuntu system I think [16:28] well I still use it at least [16:28] i dont know why you would use mplayer or xine :) [16:28] rhpot1991_laptop: i use it, too [16:28] different sessions? this is a standalone pvr! why would i want to switch anything? [16:28] xine works good for dvd/iso playback with menus [16:28] Shred00: dude. [16:29] maybe i should start from a different pov. [16:29] Shred00: if you don't like the way we do things and if your current setup is working fine, then don't use mythbuntu [16:29] not everyone has your exact needs and setup [16:29] what meta package(s) should i install on a dedicated standalone FE/BE machine to make it a bona fide mythbuntu system? [16:29] Many people have had focus issues, hence our current design [16:29] people might want to use mplayer or xine for exotic formats [16:30] Shred00: mythbuntu-desktop [16:30] Shred00: that'll give you even more dependencies [16:31] laga: sorry, don't mean to bash. trying to be constructive. apologies for not coming across that way. [16:31] Shred00: you're right about gdm, though, it slows down booting by a few seconds. shouldn't be too much [16:31] Shred00: yeah, sorry, i'm being a bit on the edge today [16:32] Shred00: ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is the old way of doing thing. openbox is a minimal window manager and shouldn't hurt. [16:32] mythbuntu-desktop? is that really for a standalone pvr? the name hints that it's a for a login-to-a-desktop-and-also-use-mythfrontend type of set up. [16:32] Shred00: mythbuntu-desktop is a meta package that will pull in gdm and our configuration app, mythbuntu-desktop [16:33] i don't see mythbuntu-desktop in the Packages file [16:33] Shred00: are you running gutsy? [16:33] for gutsy anyway [16:33] http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages [16:33] Shred00: it's in universe or multiverse [16:33] oh. [16:33] those builds [16:33] yes, it's in the multiverse or universe section of the main mirrors [16:33] ahh. is in my apt cache though [16:33] ahhh. got it. [16:34] Shred00: maybe you want to go to www.mythbuntu.org and look at some screenshots. that'll clarify what mythbuntu-desktop is going to give you [16:34] eg a light-weight xfce desktop and mythbuntu-control-centre. [16:35] It used to be an even lighter vm, but demand wanted xfce [16:35] makes things easier even for hardcore mythtv users. unless you need total control, but there have to be trade-offs when doing a ready-made mythtv distro [16:35] Daviey: i don't mind xfce that much [16:35] it justs means i won't upgrade my frontends which are low on memory [16:35] i wonder if the use of a WM can be made easily optional [16:36] Shred00: do you use framebuffer with myth? [16:36] Daviey: no, X on an nvidia 5200. i'd love to use a direct framebuffer and kick X but myth just don't do that [16:37] it _can_ do that [16:37] Shred00: not with mythbuntu-desktop. ubuntu-mythtv-frontend: maybe. [16:37] i used to do that with directfb and that other pvr project [16:37] freevo [16:37] :) [16:37] yeah [16:37] how can you get myth on a framebuffer? [16:37] directfb [16:37] Shred00: spend a weekend getting directfb to work [16:37] you'll have to build it yourself. [16:37] 'cause really, X is waaaaay overkill for a set-top-box [16:37] Daviey: i spent two weeks [16:37] heh [16:38] * laga does not recommend mythtv with directfb. [16:38] and what toolkits sit between myth and the framebuffer? [16:38] directfb and qt embedded. [16:38] afaik qt doesn't support directfb [16:38] ahhh. embedded [16:38] i tried that when i came over from freevo [16:39] was a lot of pain back then. around myth 0.18 days iirc [16:40] i have a g400 which directfb has amazing support for [16:40] the tv-out is impeccable. [16:41] supports real interlace, unlike the nvidia 5200 [16:42] got one, too. [16:43] tv-out is awesome, even over composite [16:44] laga: indeed. did you build .debs or did you do a much of make installs? [16:44] it was three years ago. i don't use it anymore [16:45] never got it working right [16:45] oh. lol. i thought you were talking about a recent, good, experience [16:45] the directfb code is mostly unmaintained, too [16:45] no [16:45] mplayer worked well :) [16:45] really? it was pretty well maintained a few years ago when i was using it. [16:46] in mythtv? [16:46] laga: no, with freevo [16:46] oh. i misuderstood [16:46] never tried it with freevo :) [16:46] heh [16:46] you mean the myth directfb code [16:46] yes [16:46] i thought you meant directfb itself [16:49] i'd love to see a more lightweight meta package that dispenses with gdm and gnome-screensaver, powers mythfrontend from the power button on the remote and boots directly to a running mythfrontend. [16:51] i suppose even better would be to make the use of a WM and gdm optional in mcc. [16:51] gdm: maybe [16:51] WM: not gonna happen [16:52] at least i won't do it [16:52] gnome-screensaver is kinda important, too. [16:52] perhaps even make the option of a WM "hidden" in that it is (de-)selected automatically based on whether mplayer or xine (or any other applications) are being configured [16:52] why is g-s important? [16:53] burn-in on plasmas etc. we patched mythtv to support gnome-screensaver instead of xscreensaver. [16:53] WM: it's not gonna happen. mythbuntu uses a complete desktop environment which won't work without a WM [16:53] interestingly though, my FE machine actually "blacks" out after inactivity which of course saves the screen. [16:54] Shred00: I really don't think mythbuntu is suitable for you [16:54] mythbuntu is not a set top box :) [16:55] Daviey: why not? all i want is a "no-frills" ubuntu myth machine [16:55] the mcc is nice. [16:55] Shred00: you seem unhappy with every aspect so far :) [16:56] what makes mythbuntu so well poised to be a no-frills installation is that doing less is a lot easier than doing more. :-) [16:56] because mythbuntu is not a "no-frills" ubuntu mythtv machine [16:58] Shred00: you want to remove gnome-screensaver and the WM. those are pretty essential to a mythbuntu box [17:01] laga: i agree completely with you on g-s iff X didn't have it's own built-in "don't burn the screen" mode which seems to work just fine. and really, in the case where you run no other apps but the mythfrontend, i don't see why a WM is necessary. [17:01] i'm just trying to reduce bloat a bit for lower end systems. i run myth on an athlon 800, and that's a recent upgrade from the PIII i used to run it on. sadly it has 512MB in it. that's overkill for what should be an STB. [17:02] um [17:02] ok [17:02] let's try it again. [17:02] mythbuntu is not a STB. [17:03] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Window_Managers [17:04] laga: yeah [17:05] Shred00: you obviously want a STB [17:06] Shred00: mythbuntu is not a STB [17:06] can you see a pattern there? :) [17:06] mythbuntu implies: desktop environment. no DE without a WM. [17:06] why does mythbuntu imply desktop? [17:06] Shred00: ubuntu-mythtv-frontend could be tailored to your needs. [17:07] Shred00: because we did it that way. [17:07] regarding the myth wiki Window_Managers link you sent... the first paragraph says it all [17:07] sigh. [17:08] i give up [17:08] you refuse to understand [17:08] wow. that was mature. [17:08] i'm simply trying to expand the functionality of mythbuntu [17:10] i don't refuse to understand what laga was saying. i'm simply trying to expand on what mythbuntu has been so far. [17:12] mythbuntu is meant for people who want to throw a cd in their computer install and have a working mythtv box without needing to configure everything by hand, you should just do it yourself if you want it that customized [17:13] rhpot1991_laptop: i agree exactly with your first statement. nothing about that statement implies that you need gdm, gnome-screensaver, a window manager, etc. [17:14] what laga describes sounds more like it's meant for people who want a mythtv box with all sort of other "desktop switching" stuff too. [17:15] its what users want, has developed into that over time [17:15] a bit late to go back and change all that now [17:15] more like what i have in the bedroom than the living room. bedroom is a desktop pc with e-mail, browsing, etc. and is also a myth FE. living room is a FE only [17:15] if it was your way then it would be a pain for me to go and use xine or mplayer for my movies [17:15] rhpot1991_laptop: ahhh. but i don't think there is any need to "go back" and undo anything. nothing that has be done so far precludes the "dedicated FE" type set up [17:16] rhpot1991_laptop: indeed, i'm not looking to make that any more difficult. i just want to reduce the bloat for those who don't want any of that. [17:17] if users want to switch to a desktop, i don't want to prevent that, nor do i want to prevent using xine or mplayer. i just want them all to be choices and the required extra bloat needed to support them only added if they make those choices. [17:18] thats beyond most users, so its easier for you to just go and do that for your box on your own [17:19] clicking checkboxes is beyond most users? you must have had to choose to use xine or mplayer didn't you? [17:20] well its meant for an average user, so its a lot easier to have it ready to add xine to than have to instruct them as to how to do so in a more complicated process at a later point [17:21] I don't understand why you don't just go make your setup how you want it, instead of complaining how mythbuntu does it in here? [17:21] ahhh. perhaps that's where the confusion is coming from. i think what i propose is more behind the scenes stuff [17:22] i don't think the user should have to choose whether to use a wm or gdm, etc. the users choices to use xine or mplayer or have a switchable desktop, etc. should make those choices for them. [17:23] sure, i could just make some changes, but i'm trying to contribute. i am sure i'm not the first person to want a strictly-stb type of ubuntu based mythbox and probably won't be the last. i'm just trying to make it easier for the next guy. [17:27] the problem with that methodology is its a lot harder for them to add xine support at a later point to their system [17:27] if someone shows up in here and says "my dvd menus don't work" [17:27] I am gonna point them at a wiki for how to setup xine in mythvideo [17:27] with your method then I have to get them a working WM first, or some other way of controlling xine properly [17:28] its really a case of supply and demand, what you want has a lower demand, so you get a WM if you use mythbuntu [17:28] ahhh. i would see a choice to use xine as an mcc thing, that then configured a wm for them as well as configuring myth to use xine. [18:42] any reason why I can't download the Mythbuntu iso or the torrent from the website? [18:43] jawil, of 7.10? [18:43] not working? [18:43] yeah [18:43] that's not good. [18:43] none of the links of the downloads page work for me [18:43] try a second time and you should be given another mirror [18:43] do you know which one wasn't working? [18:44] yeah works for me (tm) [18:44] I get to here: http://mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso and nothing happens, blank page... [18:44] turn off adblock plus if you've got it on [18:44] it may filter the javascript [18:45] there we go [18:45] NoScript was the problem [18:45] maybe a warning is appropriate on that page [18:45] i'll add one in [18:45] for some reason google-analytics.com is necessary... [18:45] yes [18:45] we need to track bandwidth usage on the mirrors [18:45] because mythbuntu.org was already allowed [18:45] oh, ok gotchya [18:46] that's how we do our load balancing [18:46] I'm a security freak, so don't like tracking ;) [18:46] but that makes sense [18:47] there we go added a warning [18:47] Hi, I just got an HD Cable box and I was wondering how to configure the firewire to record the content off of the box. [18:47] is the info in the manual? [18:47] looks good [18:47] there's a howto on help.ubuntu.com [18:48] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire?highlight=%28firewire%29 [18:48] thanks superm1, i'll take a read. Is there anyway to tell if your firewire port is disabled before you configure everything? [18:48] yeah but it depends on the cable box [18:49] most motorola ones you can hit the power button (to turn it off ), followed by select/ok [18:49] on the remote [18:49] and then its in one of the menus that show up [18:49] i have comcast with a motorola DCH 3200 [18:49] other cable boxes you'll have to Google [18:51] the online documentation is only for the Motorola DCT-62xx and Scientific Atlanta SA3250HD/SA4200HD [18:51] can i use the same information for the DCH 3200? [18:51] most likely yeah [18:52] ok, sweet, thanks for the info. [18:55] damn, I'm going to have to use ndiswrapper for my wireless card, how depressing [18:56] well at least functional though [18:57] true [18:57] superm1; right now i have a SD lineup that I use with my pvr-500 connection. Should i make a new lineup, that has all the channels for the STB? or should i just add it to the existing old one? [18:58] MythbuntuGuest93, before doing anything with a line up, see if it works [18:58] just set it to "no lineup" [18:58] you will eventually need another one though [18:59] k. thanks [19:59] hello i want to know how shutdown the pc with the remote control [20:00] MythbuntuGuest64: the whole PC or the mythfrontend? [20:00] autogen [20:00] oops my bad, wrong window [20:01] MythbuntuGuest64, there is a thread on the forums that talks about it i believe [20:01] in with forum? [20:02] where is the dorum? i mean [20:02] see /t [20:02] mythbuntu.org/support has a link to the forums [20:02] MythbuntuGuest64: Use the thread for guidance, otherwise you'll need to SUID "halt" (ie, allow any user to exec a command root normally needs to execute), then have lirc execute halt [20:02] ok thanks i search fr it [20:02] MythbuntuGuest64: the tool you want is irexec. i'd be interested in seeing how/if mythbuntu use it [20:03] Shred00, there is nothing that we have automated for it, but some users have written a howto [20:03] superm1: ahhh. i'd like to see irexec used in mythbunutu, and perhaps configurable to either restart the whole machine or mythfrontend [20:04] i use it for the latter quite successfully, but i don't have the whole mythbuntu desktop stuff on my FE [20:04] i launch X and then put mythfrontend directly on top of that. nothing else. [20:04] well our scripts do check for irexec in lircrc [20:04] if it is mentioned in there, irexec -d gets started [20:05] so it would just be a matter of properly adding support to mythbuntu lirc generator [20:05] which can be feasibly done [20:05] so irexec just calls a script that checks if mythfrontend is running and stops it if it is and starts it if it's not [20:05] well what irexec does is configured in your lircrc [20:05] superm1: which package does the script that does that checking live in? [20:05] but to at least start the daemon is automatically done [20:06] i'd like to inherit that start daemon from mythbuntu [20:06] mythbuntu-default-settings [20:06] superm1: thanx! [20:07] Shred00, if you have any improvements to it, i'm very open to patches [20:07] just let me know [20:07] ugh. depends on xfce4-utils [20:07] its the xfce4 session startup script [20:08] *we use xfce4 for a balance with usability to people and lightweight) [20:08] yeah, this goes back to the earlier discussion of wm or no-wm [20:08] ah. [20:10] ubuntu-mythtv-frontend (the even more lightweight and less usable route) has a similar way of starting irexec [20:11] (without having looked at the mythbuntu-default-settings package) would you be open to separating out the lirc bits and depending on a new package? i don't think ubuntu-proper's lirc package(s) have irexec support [20:11] i understand ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is deprecated [20:11] yeah [20:11] the lirc packages are where irexec comes from [20:11] this is just a way of starting it for the user at login [20:12] do you repackage the lirc packages in any way or use them from ubuntu as is? [20:12] the same packages are used for both [20:12] i've improved the lirc packages in the interest of ubuntu and mythbuntu [20:12] Which is the ethos of the mythbuntu project :) [20:12] nice. [20:12] i do see that the lirc startup script does start irexec [20:13] yes, i like that goal [20:22] I just moved, and now I'm only getting static on my mythtv box (cable is on and working, and I had the mythtv box working in a different apartment in the same building) [20:23] I've tried switching out the coax cable I'm using, and restarting mythtv [20:29]