[02:13] <superm1> blkorpheus, were you talking about the broken weather applet?
[02:13] <superm1> its part of the clock now from what i just noticed
[02:13] <superm1> right click your clock and you can check and uncheck to have it show you weather
[02:14] <blkorpheus> thats different than the weather applet from gnome
[02:14] <blkorpheus> it still exists, and is now fixed as of today
[02:15] <blkorpheus> I should not have to click the time, calender, etc, just to see weather, nd thankfully, I don't have to now:)
[02:15] <blkorpheus> I like the change to the time/calender feature
[02:15] <blkorpheus> but please don't remove the weather applet
[02:15] <blkorpheus> sadly, its what pulled me to gnome to begin with
[02:15] <blkorpheus> lol
[02:16] <blkorpheus> kweather was a joke by comparison
[02:18] <superm1> haha
[02:19] <superm1> well once you check/uncheck the box in the preferences, it shows up in your panel
[02:19] <superm1> that's all i ever needed from it
[02:19] <superm1> the temperature
[02:19] <superm1> anything else i can look out the window and see
[02:24] <blkorpheus> lol
[02:46] <superm1> OpenMedia, never got to ask you, did you end up switching?
[02:47] <OpenMedia> To Mythbuntu?
[02:47] <OpenMedia> Lab box is running it, but we have big issues with supporting DTT in NZ before we can release.
[02:47] <OpenMedia> Likely to release on Hardy.
[02:47] <OpenMedia> superm1: Hows things? I'm at LCA in Melbourne this week
[02:51] <superm1> OpenMedia, pretty well right now
[02:51] <superm1> i've just finished moving to TX myself
[02:51] <superm1> what's LCA?
[02:51] <tritium> superm1: you did?  You're only one state away now...
[02:51] <OpenMedia> Linux.Conf.AU
[02:51] <superm1> tritium, where are you at?
[02:51] <tritium> superm1: NM
[02:51] <superm1> ah
[02:52] <OpenMedia> I had a speaker slot.
[02:52] <superm1> neat, what about?
[02:52] <OpenMedia> Currently in Keith Packards Talk on X changes
[02:52] <OpenMedia> I talked on developing products for Consumers.
[02:52] <superm1> pretty broad topic
[02:52] <superm1> go well?
[02:52] <OpenMedia> http://linux.conf.au/programme/wednesday
[02:52] <OpenMedia> See session 5
[02:52] <OpenMedia> Yeah went down well.
[02:53] <OpenMedia> You can grab an OGG.
[02:53] <OpenMedia> Take a look at the Wednesday keynote as well
[02:53] <superm1> how was attendance?  I would imagine with competing to X acceleration that finally works was rough :)
[02:55] <OpenMedia> There are 700 people at the conference. I got about 70-80
[02:55] <OpenMedia> possibly a bit more.
[02:55] <OpenMedia> My miniconf session on Tuesday was about 140 in the same room
[02:56] <OpenMedia> superm1: I take it that Hardy is keeping you busy
[02:57] <superm1> yeah about what i would expect for attendance i suppose.
[02:57] <superm1> OpenMedia, oh yeah it has
[02:57] <superm1> i was finishing up my last term at the end of last year, so a lot was on hold
[02:57] <OpenMedia> I was more than happy with my numbers.
[02:57] <superm1> from now before I start my job i've been doing Ubuntu stuff non stop
[02:57] <tritium> superm1: were you in Iowa?
[02:57] <superm1> tritium, yeah I was
[02:57] <tritium> But you were from the Chicago area, right?
[02:57] <OpenMedia> So have you started at Dell?
[02:57] <superm1> yeah
[02:57] <superm1> tritium, ^
[02:58] <tritium> Oh, Dell?
[02:58] <superm1> OpenMedia, i don't start until the start of next month
[02:58] <tritium> Sweet, superm1.  Will you hook up the NM LoCo with an official tour if you can?  :D
[02:59] <superm1> tritium, maybe some discounts, i dont know about a tour though :)
[02:59] <tritium> superm1: thanks :)
[02:59] <superm1> we can come up with some sort of deal, patches for discounts.....
[02:59] <superm1> hehe
[02:59] <tritium> Nice!  I definitely intend to order a laptop once they offer preinstalls with 8.04 on them.
[02:59] <blkorpheus> one problem with myth
[03:00] <blkorpheus> I have no time to watch all the sheet I record
[03:00] <tritium> superm1: maybe you can make sure the TV tuners Dell uses in their laptops (and desktops) work with mythtv ;)
[03:00] <superm1> tritium, well i'll see what influence I have within the company, but you can believe that will be something on my mind either way
[03:01] <tritium> I'm glad to hear it.  Congratulations on your job!
[03:01] <superm1> thx :)
[03:01] <superm1> OpenMedia, you coming to ULive again this year?
[03:01] <superm1> haha blkorpheus yeah i know that feeling
[03:02] <blkorpheus> :)
[03:04] <OpenMedia> superm1: Only if I get a speaker slot at OSCON.
[03:05] <superm1> OpenMedia, ah yeah.  i'm not sure yet this year for myself either
[03:05] <superm1> did you submit any proposals?
[03:06] <superm1> OpenMedia, ah its a little lengthy, i'll have to watch this sometime tomorrow
[03:07] <OpenMedia> I just need to hit send. I had problems with my login, and I wanted to see how well they went here this week.
[03:09] <superm1> OpenMedia, as for hardy though, i just switched everything over to trunk yesterday
[03:09] <superm1> they are freezing upstream in preparation for 0.21 by the end of the week
[03:09] <superm1> so things will be happening all together very shortly
[03:09] <OpenMedia> Gotta go.. Session change coming up.
[03:09] <superm1> okay cu
[03:30] <mythtv_> hi when my setup launches the application bar of X stays on top , how can i fix this ?
[03:33] <mythtv_> hello?
[03:35] <mythtv_> must be sleepy for most part of the channel
[03:44] <blkorpheus> most channels you just ask your question
[03:44] <blkorpheus> geez
[03:45]  * blkorpheus "hello?", wait 2mins and leave..ppl baffle me
[04:22] <galileo> I may be in the wrong room, so feel free to point me in another direction.  I need some assistance setting up my tuner card.
[09:34] <martymoose> msg /motd
[09:54] <Guest18265> hello.
[09:55] <tom___> is anyone here?
[12:00] <baal> i have installed myhtbuntu but cant seem to get mythweb is there something i need to do to enable it
[12:00] <laga> is it installed?
[12:00] <laga> how do you want to access it?
[12:01] <baal> lags via a browser is the norm
[12:01] <laga> well
[12:02] <laga> and what do you type in your browser?
[12:02] <baal> laga the ip of the machine
[12:02] <laga> and what do you get?
[12:03] <baal> just an apache defaut page
[12:03] <stowaway2> hey whats a file browser in mythubuntu
[12:03] <stowaway2> ?
[12:03] <laga> baal: try <ip>/mythweb
[12:03] <baal> notfound
[12:04] <laga> baal: did you replace <ip> with the actual IP address?
[12:04] <baal> yes of cource
[12:05] <laga> then mythweb is not installed or not enabled properly
[12:05] <baal> is there a way to reinstall the mythweb
[12:05] <laga> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythweb
[12:05] <laga> to reconfigure
[12:06] <baal> it says "mythweb is broken or not fully installed"
[12:06] <baal> how do i reinstall that package ?
[12:07] <laga> sudo aptitude reinstall mythweb
[12:07] <laga> probably
[12:11] <baal> ok great mythweb seems to be working but has errors
[12:12] <baal> Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/init.php, line 301:
[12:12] <baal> unlink(data/cache/9.png) [function.unlink]: Operation not permitted
[12:13] <baal> any idea what that means ?
[12:17] <baal> ok thats my fault i havent reset the user and group on the images
[12:20] <baal> maybe not
[12:21] <baal> its talking about the channel icons but I cant find any directory structure like its having issues with
[12:21] <baal> theres no data/cache/9.png
[12:22] <laga> i'd suggest you purge mythweb, remove anything else that's left including your modifications and reinstall.
[12:22] <laga> mythweb, that is.
[12:23] <baal> i might just reboot see if this cache issue can fix it self
[12:28] <baal> thanks for the help laga much aprecieated !
[12:29] <laga> :)
[13:48] <kiwi_uk> Hi all, I'm having trouble finding out how to enable MPEG 2 encoding for Live TV
[13:48] <kiwi_uk> Myth only has options for RTjpeg and MPEG-4
[13:48] <laga> there's no such thing unless you use DVB/hardware encoder cards
[13:48] <kiwi_uk> Oh :(
[13:49] <kiwi_uk> Well, thanks for answering :)
[13:50] <kiwi_uk> I'm trying to use a MediaMVP as my front end and it only plays MPEG or MPEG2 you see
[13:59] <laga> a mediamvp with the original software?
[16:22] <Shred00> i'm wondering why ubuntu-mythtv-frontend needs gdm
[16:23] <Shred00> also, wondering what level of lirc support is in mythbuntu currrently?  can the frontend be stopped/started from the remote (i.e. irexec)
[16:23] <Shred00> i'm trying to decide if i want to "upgrade" my ubuntu custom rolled fe/be to a mythbuntu (proper) system and ubuntu-mythtv-frontend seems to want to add a lot to what is already a working installation for me.
[16:24] <Shred00> gnome-screensaver... why do i need/want that too?
[16:25] <rhpot1991_laptop> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend does automagic logins and stuff, which is why it requires gdm IIRC
[16:25] <rhpot1991_laptop> the rest of those are prob gdm requirements
[16:25] <Shred00> oh my, it seems mythbuntu uses a window manager (openbox) too.  why is a window manager necessary?  mythfrontend is a single X application.  there are no windows that need managing.
[16:25] <laga> not true
[16:25] <Shred00> why go through gdm though?  just start X and start mythfrontend on it
[16:26] <Shred00> laga: what's not true?
[16:26] <laga> you'll quickly run into focus issues if you use mplayer or xine
[16:26] <laga> w/o a window manager, that is
[16:26] <laga> might even happen with po-ups
[16:26] <laga> pop-ups*
[16:27] <laga> and we use gdm so the user can swith between different sessions, eg mythtv and gnome
[16:27] <laga> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is deprecated in mythbuntu and not used, FYI
[16:27] <Shred00> why would i use mplayer or xine?
[16:27] <Shred00> as for popups, i've been running a windowless mythfrontend since 0.18 and not had any popup focus issues.  i even ran mplayer with mythvideo before the internal player was supported with no window manager and never had focus issues
[16:27] <laga> Shred00: you're lucky then
[16:27] <laga> anyways.
[16:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> laga its still used if you built on top of an existing ubuntu system I think
[16:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> well I still use it at least
[16:28] <laga> i dont know why you would use mplayer or xine :)
[16:28] <laga> rhpot1991_laptop: i use it, too
[16:28] <Shred00> different sessions?  this is a standalone pvr!  why would i want to switch anything?
[16:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> xine works good for dvd/iso playback with menus
[16:28] <laga> Shred00: dude.
[16:29] <Shred00> maybe i should start from a different pov.
[16:29] <laga> Shred00: if you don't like the way we do things and if your current setup is working fine, then don't use mythbuntu
[16:29] <laga> not everyone has your exact needs and setup
[16:29] <Shred00> what meta package(s) should i install on a dedicated standalone FE/BE machine to make it a bona fide mythbuntu system?
[16:29] <Daviey> Many people have had focus issues, hence our current design
[16:29] <laga> people might want to use mplayer or xine for exotic formats
[16:30] <laga> Shred00: mythbuntu-desktop
[16:30] <laga> Shred00: that'll give you even more dependencies
[16:31] <Shred00> laga: sorry, don't mean to bash.  trying to be constructive.  apologies for not coming across that way.
[16:31] <laga> Shred00: you're right about gdm, though, it slows down booting by a few seconds. shouldn't be too much
[16:31] <laga> Shred00: yeah, sorry, i'm being a bit on the edge today
[16:32] <laga> Shred00: ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is the old way of doing thing. openbox is a minimal window manager and shouldn't hurt.
[16:32] <Shred00> mythbuntu-desktop?  is that really for a standalone pvr?  the name hints that it's a for a login-to-a-desktop-and-also-use-mythfrontend type of set up.
[16:32] <laga> Shred00: mythbuntu-desktop is a meta package that will pull in gdm and our configuration app, mythbuntu-desktop
[16:33] <Shred00> i don't see mythbuntu-desktop in the Packages file
[16:33] <laga> Shred00: are you running gutsy?
[16:33] <Shred00> for gutsy anyway
[16:33] <Shred00> http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages
[16:33] <laga> Shred00: it's in universe or multiverse
[16:33] <laga> oh.
[16:33] <laga> those builds
[16:33] <laga> yes, it's in the multiverse or universe section of the main mirrors
[16:33] <Shred00> ahh.  is in my apt cache though
[16:33] <Shred00> ahhh.  got it.
[16:34] <laga> Shred00: maybe you want to go to www.mythbuntu.org and look at some screenshots. that'll clarify what mythbuntu-desktop is going to give you
[16:34] <laga> eg a light-weight xfce desktop and mythbuntu-control-centre.
[16:35] <Daviey> It used to be an even lighter vm, but demand wanted xfce
[16:35] <laga> makes things easier even for hardcore mythtv users. unless you need total control, but there have to be trade-offs when doing a ready-made mythtv distro
[16:35] <laga> Daviey: i don't mind xfce that much
[16:35] <laga> it justs means i won't upgrade my frontends which are low on memory
[16:35] <Shred00> i wonder if the use of a WM can be made easily optional
[16:36] <Daviey> Shred00: do you use framebuffer with myth?
[16:36] <Shred00> Daviey: no, X on an nvidia 5200.  i'd love to use a direct framebuffer and kick X but myth just don't do that
[16:37] <Daviey> it _can_ do that
[16:37] <laga> Shred00: not with mythbuntu-desktop. ubuntu-mythtv-frontend: maybe.
[16:37] <Shred00> i used to do that with directfb and that other pvr project
[16:37] <laga> freevo
[16:37] <laga> :)
[16:37] <Shred00> yeah
[16:37] <Shred00> how can you get myth on a framebuffer?
[16:37] <laga> directfb
[16:37] <Daviey> Shred00: spend a weekend getting directfb to work
[16:37] <laga> you'll have to build it yourself.
[16:37] <Shred00> 'cause really, X is waaaaay overkill for a set-top-box
[16:37] <laga> Daviey: i spent two weeks
[16:37] <Daviey> heh
[16:38]  * laga does not recommend mythtv with directfb.
[16:38] <Shred00> and what toolkits sit between myth and the framebuffer?
[16:38] <laga> directfb and qt embedded.
[16:38] <Shred00> afaik qt doesn't support directfb
[16:38] <Shred00> ahhh.  embedded
[16:38] <Shred00> i tried that when i came over from freevo
[16:39] <Shred00> was a lot of pain back then.  around myth 0.18 days iirc
[16:40] <Shred00> i have a g400 which directfb has amazing support for
[16:40] <Shred00> the tv-out is impeccable.
[16:41] <Shred00> supports real interlace, unlike the nvidia 5200
[16:42] <laga> got one, too.
[16:43] <laga> tv-out is awesome, even over composite
[16:44] <Shred00> laga: indeed.  did you build .debs or did you do a much of make installs?
[16:44] <laga> it was three years ago. i don't use it anymore
[16:45] <laga> never got it working right
[16:45] <Shred00> oh.  lol.  i thought you were talking about a recent, good, experience
[16:45] <laga> the directfb code is mostly unmaintained, too
[16:45] <laga> no
[16:45] <laga> mplayer worked well :)
[16:45] <Shred00> really?  it was pretty well maintained a few years ago when i was using it.
[16:46] <laga> in mythtv?
[16:46] <Shred00> laga: no, with freevo
[16:46] <Shred00> oh.  i misuderstood
[16:46] <laga> never tried it with freevo :)
[16:46] <laga> heh
[16:46] <Shred00> you mean the myth directfb code
[16:46] <laga> yes
[16:46] <Shred00> i thought you meant directfb itself
[16:49] <Shred00> i'd love to see a more lightweight meta package that dispenses with gdm and gnome-screensaver, powers mythfrontend from the power button on the remote and boots directly to a running mythfrontend.
[16:51] <Shred00> i suppose even better would be to make the use of a WM and gdm optional in mcc.
[16:51] <laga> gdm: maybe
[16:51] <laga> WM: not gonna happen
[16:52] <laga> at least i won't do it
[16:52] <laga> gnome-screensaver is kinda important, too.
[16:52] <Shred00> perhaps even make the option of a WM "hidden" in that it is (de-)selected automatically based on whether mplayer or xine (or any other applications) are being configured
[16:52] <Shred00> why is g-s important?
[16:53] <laga> burn-in on plasmas etc. we patched mythtv to support gnome-screensaver instead of xscreensaver.
[16:53] <laga> WM: it's not gonna happen. mythbuntu uses a complete desktop environment which won't work without a WM
[16:53] <Shred00> interestingly though, my FE machine actually "blacks" out after inactivity which of course saves the screen.
[16:54] <Daviey> Shred00: I really don't think mythbuntu is suitable for you
[16:54] <laga> mythbuntu is not a set top box :)
[16:55] <Shred00> Daviey: why not?  all i want is a "no-frills" ubuntu myth machine
[16:55] <Shred00> the mcc is nice.
[16:55] <Daviey> Shred00: you seem unhappy with every aspect so far :)
[16:56] <Shred00> what makes mythbuntu so well poised to be a no-frills installation is that doing less is a lot easier than doing more.  :-)
[16:56] <laga> because mythbuntu is not a "no-frills" ubuntu mythtv machine
[16:58] <laga> Shred00: you want to remove gnome-screensaver and the WM. those are pretty essential to a mythbuntu box
[17:01] <Shred00> laga: i agree completely with you on g-s iff X didn't have it's own built-in "don't burn the screen" mode which seems to work just fine.  and really, in the case where you run no other apps but the mythfrontend, i don't see why a WM is necessary.
[17:01] <Shred00> i'm just trying to reduce bloat a bit for lower end systems.  i run myth on an athlon 800, and that's a recent upgrade from the PIII i used to run it on.  sadly it has 512MB in it.  that's overkill for what should be an STB.
[17:02] <laga> um
[17:02] <laga> ok
[17:02] <laga> let's try it again.
[17:02] <laga> mythbuntu is not a STB.
[17:03] <laga> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Window_Managers
[17:04] <Shred00> laga: yeah
[17:05] <laga> Shred00: you obviously want a STB
[17:06] <laga> Shred00: mythbuntu is not a STB
[17:06] <laga> can you see a pattern there? :)
[17:06] <laga> mythbuntu implies: desktop environment. no DE without a WM.
[17:06] <Shred00> why does mythbuntu imply desktop?
[17:06] <laga> Shred00: ubuntu-mythtv-frontend could be tailored to your needs.
[17:07] <laga> Shred00: because we did it that way.
[17:07] <Shred00> regarding the myth wiki Window_Managers link you sent... the first paragraph says it all
[17:07] <laga> sigh.
[17:08] <laga> i give up
[17:08] <laga> you refuse to understand
[17:08] <Shred00> wow.  that was mature.
[17:08] <Shred00> i'm simply trying to expand the functionality of mythbuntu
[17:10] <Shred00> i don't refuse to understand what laga was saying.  i'm simply trying to expand on what mythbuntu has been so far.
[17:12] <rhpot1991_laptop> mythbuntu is meant for people who want to throw a cd in their computer install and have a working mythtv box without needing to configure everything by hand, you should just do it yourself if you want it that customized
[17:13] <Shred00> rhpot1991_laptop: i agree exactly with your first statement.  nothing about that statement implies that you need gdm, gnome-screensaver, a window manager, etc.
[17:14] <Shred00> what laga describes sounds more like it's meant for people who want a mythtv box with all sort of other "desktop switching" stuff too.
[17:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> its what users want, has developed into that over time
[17:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> a bit late to go back and change all that now
[17:15] <Shred00> more like what i have in the bedroom than the living room.  bedroom is a desktop pc with e-mail, browsing, etc. and is also a myth FE.  living room is a FE only
[17:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> if it was your way then it would be a pain for me to go and use xine or mplayer for my movies
[17:15] <Shred00> rhpot1991_laptop: ahhh.  but i don't think there is any need to "go back" and undo anything.  nothing that has be done so far precludes the "dedicated FE" type set up
[17:16] <Shred00> rhpot1991_laptop: indeed, i'm not looking to make that any more difficult.  i just want to reduce the bloat for those who don't want any of that.
[17:17] <Shred00> if users want to switch to a desktop, i don't want to prevent that, nor do i want to prevent using xine or mplayer.  i just want them all to be choices and the required extra bloat needed to support them only added if they make those choices.
[17:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats beyond most users, so its easier for you to just go and do that for your box on your own
[17:19] <Shred00> clicking checkboxes is beyond most users?  you must have had to choose to use xine or mplayer didn't you?
[17:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> well its meant for an average user, so its a lot easier to have it ready to add xine to than have to instruct them as to how to do so in a more complicated process at a later point
[17:21] <rhpot1991_laptop> I don't understand why you don't just go make your setup how you want it, instead of complaining how mythbuntu does it in here?
[17:21] <Shred00> ahhh.  perhaps that's where the confusion is coming from. i think what i propose is more behind the scenes stuff
[17:22] <Shred00> i don't think the user should have to choose whether to use a wm or gdm, etc.  the users choices to use xine or mplayer or have a switchable desktop, etc. should make those choices for them.
[17:23] <Shred00> sure, i could just make some changes, but i'm trying to contribute.  i am sure i'm not the first person to want a strictly-stb type of ubuntu based mythbox and probably won't be the last.  i'm just trying to make it easier for the next guy.
[17:27] <rhpot1991_laptop> the problem with that methodology is its a lot harder for them to add xine support at a later point to their system
[17:27] <rhpot1991_laptop> if someone shows up in here and says "my dvd menus don't work"
[17:27] <rhpot1991_laptop> I am gonna point them at a wiki for how to setup xine in mythvideo
[17:27] <rhpot1991_laptop> with your method then I have to get them a working WM first, or some other way of controlling xine properly
[17:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> its really a case of supply and demand, what you want has a lower demand, so you get a WM if you use mythbuntu
[17:28] <Shred00> ahhh.  i would see a choice to use xine as an mcc thing, that then configured a wm for them as well as configuring myth to use xine.
[18:42] <jawil> any reason why I can't download the Mythbuntu iso or the torrent from the website?
[18:43] <superm1> jawil, of 7.10?
[18:43] <superm1> not working?
[18:43] <jawil> yeah
[18:43] <superm1> that's not good.
[18:43] <jawil> none of the links of the downloads page work for me
[18:43] <superm1> try a second time and you should be given another mirror
[18:43] <superm1> do you know which one wasn't working?
[18:44] <superm1> yeah works for me (tm)
[18:44] <jawil> I get to here: http://mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso and nothing happens, blank page...
[18:44] <superm1> turn off adblock plus if you've got it on
[18:44] <superm1> it may filter the javascript
[18:45] <jawil> there we go
[18:45] <jawil> NoScript was the problem
[18:45] <superm1> maybe a warning is appropriate on that page
[18:45] <superm1> i'll add one in
[18:45] <jawil> for some reason google-analytics.com is necessary...
[18:45] <superm1> yes
[18:45] <superm1> we need to track bandwidth usage on the mirrors
[18:45] <jawil> because mythbuntu.org was already allowed
[18:45] <jawil> oh, ok gotchya
[18:46] <superm1> that's how we do our load balancing
[18:46] <jawil> I'm a security freak, so don't like tracking ;)
[18:46] <jawil> but that makes sense
[18:47] <superm1> there we go added a warning
[18:47] <MythbuntuGuest93> Hi, I just got an HD Cable box and I was wondering how to configure the firewire to record the content off of the box.
[18:47] <MythbuntuGuest93> is the info in the manual?
[18:47] <jawil> looks good
[18:47] <superm1> there's a howto on help.ubuntu.com
[18:48] <superm1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire?highlight=%28firewire%29
[18:48] <MythbuntuGuest93> thanks superm1, i'll take a read.  Is there anyway to tell if your firewire port is disabled before you configure everything?
[18:48] <superm1> yeah but it depends on the cable box
[18:49] <superm1> most motorola ones you can hit the power button (to turn it off ), followed by select/ok
[18:49] <superm1> on the remote
[18:49] <superm1> and then its in one of the menus that show up
[18:49] <MythbuntuGuest93> i have comcast with a motorola DCH 3200
[18:49] <superm1> other cable boxes you'll have to Google
[18:51] <MythbuntuGuest93> the online documentation is only for the Motorola DCT-62xx and Scientific Atlanta SA3250HD/SA4200HD
[18:51] <MythbuntuGuest93> can i use the same information for the DCH 3200?
[18:51] <superm1> most likely yeah
[18:52] <MythbuntuGuest93> ok, sweet, thanks for the info.
[18:55] <jawil> damn, I'm going to have to use ndiswrapper for my wireless card, how depressing
[18:56] <superm1> well at least functional though
[18:57] <jawil> true
[18:57] <MythbuntuGuest93> superm1; right now i have a SD lineup that I use with my pvr-500 connection.  Should i make a new lineup, that has all the channels for the STB?  or should i just add it to the existing old one?
[18:58] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest93, before doing anything with a line up, see if it works
[18:58] <superm1> just set it to "no lineup"
[18:58] <superm1> you will eventually need another one though
[18:59] <MythbuntuGuest93> k. thanks
[19:59] <MythbuntuGuest64> hello i want to know how shutdown the pc with the remote control
[20:00] <Shred00> MythbuntuGuest64: the whole PC or the mythfrontend?
[20:00] <superm1> autogen
[20:00] <superm1> oops my bad, wrong window
[20:01] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest64, there is a thread on the forums that talks about it i believe
[20:01] <MythbuntuGuest64> in with forum?
[20:02] <MythbuntuGuest64> where is the dorum? i mean
[20:02] <superm1> see /t
[20:02] <superm1> mythbuntu.org/support has a link to the forums
[20:02] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest64: Use the thread for guidance, otherwise you'll need to SUID "halt" (ie, allow any user to exec a command root normally needs to execute), then have lirc execute halt
[20:02] <MythbuntuGuest64> ok thanks i search fr it
[20:02] <Shred00> MythbuntuGuest64: the tool you want is irexec.  i'd be interested in seeing how/if mythbuntu use it
[20:03] <superm1> Shred00, there is nothing that we have automated for it, but some users have written a howto
[20:03] <Shred00> superm1: ahhh.  i'd like to see irexec used in mythbunutu, and perhaps configurable to either restart the whole machine or mythfrontend
[20:04] <Shred00> i use it for the latter quite successfully, but i don't have the whole mythbuntu desktop stuff on my FE
[20:04] <Shred00> i launch X and then put mythfrontend directly on top of that.  nothing else.
[20:04] <superm1> well our scripts do check for irexec in lircrc
[20:04] <superm1> if it is mentioned in there, irexec -d gets started
[20:05] <superm1> so it would just be a matter of properly adding support to mythbuntu lirc generator
[20:05] <superm1> which can be feasibly done
[20:05] <Shred00> so irexec just calls a script that checks if mythfrontend is running and stops it if it is and starts it if it's not
[20:05] <superm1> well what irexec does is configured in your lircrc
[20:05] <Shred00> superm1: which package does the script that does that checking live in?
[20:05] <superm1> but to at least start the daemon is automatically done
[20:06] <Shred00> i'd like to inherit that start daemon from mythbuntu
[20:06] <superm1> mythbuntu-default-settings
[20:06] <Shred00> superm1: thanx!
[20:07] <superm1> Shred00, if you have any improvements to it, i'm very open to patches
[20:07] <superm1> just let me know
[20:07] <Shred00> ugh.  depends on xfce4-utils
[20:07] <superm1> its the xfce4 session startup script
[20:08] <superm1> *we use xfce4 for a balance with usability to people and lightweight)
[20:08] <Shred00> yeah, this goes back to the earlier discussion of wm or no-wm
[20:08] <superm1> ah.
[20:10] <superm1> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend (the even more lightweight  and less usable route) has a similar way of starting irexec
[20:11] <Shred00> (without having looked at the mythbuntu-default-settings package) would you be open to separating out the lirc bits and depending on a new package?  i don't think ubuntu-proper's lirc package(s) have irexec support
[20:11] <Shred00> i understand ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is deprecated
[20:11] <superm1> yeah
[20:11] <superm1> the lirc packages are where irexec comes from
[20:11] <superm1> this is just a way of starting it for the user at login
[20:12] <Shred00> do you repackage the lirc packages in any way or use them from ubuntu as is?
[20:12] <superm1> the same packages are used for both
[20:12] <superm1> i've improved the lirc packages in the interest of ubuntu and mythbuntu
[20:12] <Daviey> Which is the ethos of the mythbuntu project :)
[20:12] <Shred00> nice.
[20:12] <Shred00> i do see that the lirc startup script does start irexec
[20:13] <Shred00> yes, i like that goal
[20:22] <Cygnet> I just moved, and now I'm only getting static on my mythtv box (cable is on and working, and I had the mythtv box working in a different apartment in the same building)
[20:23] <Cygnet> I've tried switching out the coax cable I'm using, and restarting mythtv
[20:29] <LT_Tuvok> Possible that wall outlet is damaged
[20:31] <Cygnet> I have a TV and a cable modem plugged into the same outlet (with splitters) and they both work
[20:32] <LT_Tuvok> splitters degrade the signal, perhaps try another outlet?
[20:32] <LT_Tuvok> depends how many times its split of course
[20:33] <Cygnet> we only have the one cable jack, unfortunately
[20:33] <Cygnet> I'll try plugging it in directly to the jack and see if that works
[20:33] <Cygnet> that will take me offline, so brb :p
[20:33] <LT_Tuvok> I await the results
[20:34] <LT_Tuvok> understood
[20:37] <Cygnet> no joy, I get noisy static instead of silent static :p
[20:38] <Cygnet> (well, I guess that would be partial joy)
[20:40] <Shred00> Cygnet: have you tried simply moving the coax cable from your mythbox to a tv to "see" for yourself what the tuner in the mythbox is seeing?
[20:41] <Cygnet> I did try switching the cables for the TV and the mythbox to see if the cable was bad, but I'll try switching the cable again
[20:42] <Shred00> Cygnet: no, i don't mean swapping cables.  i mean taking the connection off the tuner and moving it to the tv.  so that the tv is exactly where the myth tuner was in the cable equation
[20:43] <Cygnet> I just did that
[20:43] <Shred00> did the tv see snow?
[20:44] <Cygnet> I had only been looking at the one channel on the TV, I just tried channel surfing and got a whole lot of nothing
[20:44] <Cygnet> so looks like the problem is with the cable
[20:44] <Shred00> or jack, or anything downstream from the tv
[20:45] <Cygnet> I'm going to try plugging the tv in directly to the wall, I might go offline
[20:47] <Cygnet> TV still gets nothing
[20:48] <Cygnet> we just moved in and we had trouble getting the (cable) internet turned on, so we may be having problems with the cable TV too :p
[20:51] <Cygnet> well, I'm off -- thanks for your help, guys.
[21:01] <LT_Tuvok> illogical
[22:23] <astyler> how would I unstinstall mythtv?
[22:23] <astyler> sudo apt-get remove  mythtv did something, but I can still run mythtv
[23:00] <LT_Tuvok> RTDP
[23:01] <LT_Tuvok> Read the documentation please
[23:01] <LT_Tuvok> there have been hard work to comppile documentation, that some don't bother to read
[23:01] <LT_Tuvok> most curious
[23:01] <LT_Tuvok> more than likely a FAQ
[23:02] <LT_Tuvok> but at the elast, you should know how to install and remove software
[23:12] <superm1> astyler, apt-get remove mythtv-*
[23:12] <superm1> will take it all out
[23:14] <astyler> thanks superm1
[23:15] <astyler> couldn't find anything in the documentation
[23:47] <stowaway2> hello.. I dont suppose there is some sort of device manager program i can install for ubuntu ?
[23:48] <Stowaway> cant seem to get my damn dvico dvb tuner to work
[23:49] <superm1> best to check dmesg and see if its just missing firmware
[23:49] <superm1> or if there are any drivers loading for it whatsoever