[00:01] <nalioth> Seveas: what happens to the Encyclopedia that makes ubot3 crash?
[00:01] <Seveas> no idea
[00:02] <nalioth> it cored dumps often, but after i reload the Encyclopedia, it runs fine for days
[00:02] <Seveas> locked db perhaps?
[00:03] <nalioth> Seveas: have no clue
[00:03] <nalioth> i just turn the bot on and let it run
[00:06] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, soldats said: ubotu is gone it is now ubotwo
[00:07] <Seveas> it's still syncing
[00:07] <LjL> it's almost finished
[00:07] <Seveas> yeah
[00:10] <Seveas> !ping
[00:10] <ubotu> ping: unknown host
[00:10] <Seveas> it's fully synced
[00:10] <LjL> Seveas: you know, one would expect at least the people in #ubuntu-motu not to be astonished at the possibility of a bot being down
[00:11] <greg-g> hi, I would like to request that the channel #ubuntu-upperpeninsula be forwarded to #ubuntu-us-mi (or de-registered all together).  The team contact is MIA (last seen 39 weeks ago) and it is a defunct team (never got off the ground, and is "super-seeded" by the Michigan Team)
[00:12] <PriceChild> nalioth, *ping* :)
[00:12] <nalioth> PriceChild: poingy!
[00:12] <PriceChild> nalioth, greg-g above?
[00:12] <nalioth> PriceChild: i'm not blind  :)
[00:13] <PriceChild> but you might be away, or in a different channel
[00:13] <greg-g> I have sent an email to the team contact, waiting on a response
[00:13] <PriceChild> ohhh after the ping
[00:15] <mneptok> greg-g: "superseeding" happens on BitTorrent. you mean "superceded" :)
[00:15] <greg-g> mneptok: thats right! ;)
[00:15] <greg-g> it has been a long day
[00:15]  * greg-g needs a beer
[00:15] <mneptok> greg-g: since you're standing by the coat rack, mind handing me my "Annoying Pedant" crown? ;)
[00:16]  * greg-g hands mneptok a burger king crown
[00:16] <greg-g> (that might be a little bit of a US-centric reference there)
[00:17] <LjL> mneptok, i'm afraid you'll have to try harder.
[00:17] <LjL> Supercede has occurred as a spelling variant of supersede since the 17th century, and it is common in current published writing. It continues, however, to be widely regarded as an error.
[00:18] <nalioth> greg-g: emails to contacts of #*buntu* channels are not necessary (note for the future)
[00:18] <greg-g> nalioth: btw, I have requested the launchpad team assocated with that channel be removed also, for the same reasons (there is only 1 member to the LP team, they havne't done anthing, it is a possible confusion for people looking for michigan ubuntu teams)
[00:18] <mneptok> LjL: you can't have a "common" spelling that's a "widely regarded" error. there can only be one majority.
[00:18] <greg-g> nalioth: eh?
[00:18] <LjL> mneptok: mail m-w
[00:18] <PriceChild> mneptok, common doesn't imply majority?
[00:19] <nalioth> greg-g: if you have a question or statement or problem with an #ubuntu channel you come to #ubuntu-irc to enquire about it
[00:19] <greg-g> nalioth: ok, that's what I did (well, ops) ;)
[00:20] <LjL> again?
[00:20] <syntaxerror55> What's op with ubotu? :|
[00:20] <syntaxerror55> up*
[00:20] <LjL> nice lapsus
[00:21] <PriceChild> syntaxerror55, its home is having routing issues. Its out of our control, backup bots will be brought back in if it doesn't come back soon.
[00:21] <syntaxerror55> PriceChild: okay.
[00:21] <greg-g> nalioth: do you have any questions about the channel situation?
[00:21] <nalioth> greg-g: nope
[00:22] <nalioth> it'll be taken care of (pricechild promised)
[00:22] <PriceChild> and I never break my promises
[00:25] <greg-g> cool, thanks (sorry for delay, not-so-good wireless at the cafe)
[00:26] <greg-g> take care!
[00:28] <PriceChild> xhhul... where do I know that from
[00:30] <nalioth> ghostbusters
[00:31] <Seveas> apparently still routing issues
[00:31] <Seveas> fun, and dns issues
[00:32] <LjL> no rats chewing on cat5?
[00:33] <Seveas> only if you call the eweka crew rats
[00:37] <LjL> Seveas: have you found anything interesting in your quest for an irc proxy?
[00:37] <Seveas> nope
[00:37] <Seveas> except for a nice idea for ubotu v3 with which I'm now experimenting
[00:38] <Seveas> it does involve getting rid of supybot
[00:39] <LjL> ugh, say that slower next time
[00:39] <LjL> i came back from smoking, i was alreay at risk of heart attacks
[00:40] <Seveas> it involves using dbus
[00:40]  * LjL has quit IRC (death)
[00:40] <Seveas> the dbus part is actually pretty easy
[00:41] <LjL> wait, you mean you're serious about dbus?
[00:41] <Seveas> yes
[00:42] <LjL> you haven't smoked something else than i have have you
[00:42] <Seveas> the 'bot' part would be rather small and only understand a few commands and a failover mechanism
[00:42] <Seveas> plugins move to external processes, communicating to the bot via dbus
[00:42]  * mneptok quit smoking this weekend
[00:42] <mneptok> not by choice. i was uber-sick.
[00:43] <mneptok> i realized on Tuesday i hadn't smoked in 4 days. so why start?
[00:43] <LjL> Seveas: except why?
[00:43] <LjL> mneptok: good question. you'll find out soon.
[00:44] <LjL> i mean, it's not that i've anything against dbus...
[00:44] <mneptok> LjL: honey, i smoked hand-rolled unfiltered cigarettes for 24 years. you? :)
[00:44] <LjL> well nevermind, i do, still
[00:44]  * PriceChild hugs mneptok 
[00:44] <Seveas> mneptok, 1) getting rid of supybot is a good thing 2) i need some dbus experience and dbus is good for interprocess communication 3) separating functions to external processes increases robustness
[00:44] <LjL> mneptok: i've been alive for 25 years, and smoked hand-rolled unfiltered cigarettes for 14
[00:44] <Seveas> it will stop the bugtracker plugin from grinding everything to a halt
[00:45] <PriceChild> wow
[00:45] <mneptok> LjL: heheheh. i gotchya beat. i know what withdrawal is like.
[00:45] <PriceChild> and i guess this'll make pici's work obselete./
[00:45] <Seveas> PriceChild, it won't
[00:45] <LjL> Seveas, threading makes sense, but dbus? anyway... how does the failover mechanism work with that?
[00:46] <Seveas> PriceChild, for one, it's not at all certain that this is going to succeed
[00:46] <Seveas> and code is reusable, the supybot plugin interface sort-of makes sense
[00:46] <PriceChild> pfft I'm sure it will succeed.
[00:46] <PriceChild> good good :)
[00:48] <LjL> Seveas, don't underestimate the work of writing a bot from scratch though. it's simple but pretty tedious
[00:49] <Seveas> not if you don't want too much from it
[00:49] <Seveas> I'm not going supybot style
[00:50] <Seveas> it's called ubot, or micro-bot (compose key in hardy is broken so I can't type a proper mu now)
[00:52] <LjL> Seveas, if plugins have to work with it somewhat, you need a plugin interface, and that's already something. then you have throttling. then you have a case-insensitive-but-preserving protocol which i hate (try privmsg #channel blah and privmsg #Channel blah - they go through unmodified, i hate hate hate). and for a good bantracker you also need to be able to whois etc
[00:53] <Seveas> LjL, the only difficult thing there is throttling :)
[00:53] <LjL> Seveas: i'm not saying any of those is "difficult", just tedious and bug-prone
[03:15] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[03:25]  * mneptok uses The Force ...
[03:26] <mneptok> i sense .... "iKap" in a PM with Pricey ...
[03:26] <mneptok> *cue theremin music*
[03:26] <PriceChild> mneptok, you have done well young padawan
[03:26] <mneptok> https://launchpad.net/~mneptok
[03:26] <no0tic> :)
[03:26] <jdong> and there we go. conclusive proof that freenode staffers and company can read our every movement.
[03:26] <mneptok> padawan? ;)
[03:26] <PriceChild> jdong, :)
[03:26]  * jdong screams conspiracy and runs in circles
[03:27] <mneptok> jdong: what will really melt your brain is that i'm nowhere *close* to Freenode staff. and 99% of Freenode staff feel that if i was, they'd be checking the horizon for flying horsemen.
[03:28] <no0tic> jdong, they joined a channel where I was kicking every second a user that rejoined every time, just for his fun
[03:28] <PriceChild> no0tic, were you getting chanserv to op you each time?
[03:28] <no0tic> PriceChild, no, I was op
[03:28] <jdong> mneptok: oh come on, I get that from PriceChild every other day ;-)
[03:29] <no0tic> PriceChild, they see kicks I suppose, at least
[03:29] <PriceChild> no0tic, they see everything
[03:29] <no0tic> PriceChild, every single character we are typing?
[03:30] <no0tic> PriceChild, apart from those in here :P
[03:30] <jdong> no0tic: and even what you are saying
[03:30] <PriceChild> no0tic, they're behind you
[03:30] <nalioth> no0tic: no, but we see when you are having too much fun
[03:30] <jdong> no0tic: and I heard once they get past a certain hero level they can read minds too
[03:30]  * mneptok kills another womp rat and levels
[03:30] <nalioth> jdong: yeah, we got those folks, but we take away their keyboards so they don't scare the mere mortals
[03:30] <PriceChild> *ding*
[03:32] <PriceChild> iKap claimed he thought he was in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:32] <PriceChild> I'm not sure why that is an excuse to ignore what I'm saying.
[03:32] <PriceChild> I gave him guidelines and suggested he come back in a couple of days.
[03:33] <PriceChild> I feel bad,
[03:38] <mneptok> wuss
[04:45] <htns> Hi
[04:45] <htns> Can somebody unban me from #ubuntu?
[04:45] <htns> I really need help
[04:46] <htns> And an OP banned me unjustifiably
[04:46] <htns> I have appealed for him to unban me, but he ignores me
[04:46] <htns> ;_;
[04:49] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, marcelol_ said: ubotu : nor is it in Feisty....I had to dload it too
[04:54] <Pici> htns: Please hold, let me take a look at our logs.
[04:55] <htns> uh oh
[04:58] <no0tic> Hobbsee, great quit message
[04:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:59] <Pici> htns: I don't feel comfortable reviewing this ban without the operator present who banned you.
[04:59] <Pici> LjL: ping, re: htns's ban.
[04:59] <htns> Pici: LjL was acting up on me
[05:00] <htns> Plus, I was on ativan at that time
[05:00] <htns> So my head wasn't straight
[06:56] <jussi01> morning all
[07:02] <no0tic> jdong, morning
[07:03] <jussi01> no0tic: jdong ?
[07:03] <jussi01> :P
[07:06] <no0tic> jussi01, :)
[07:07] <no0tic> jdong, sorry :)
[07:07] <jussi01> hehe
[07:15] <ubotu> ePax called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[08:02] <bod_> is anyone here?
[08:05] <jussi01> bod_: How can we help?
[08:09] <bod_> i was banned form #ubuntu-offtopic and was told that it would be a 24 hour ban,.,. this was a few weeks ago,. im still banned,.,. i was wondering when it would be lifted jussi01 ?
[08:10] <jussi01> bod_: Im sorry, I dont have the ability to lift that ban, you will need to wait for the person that banned you
[08:11] <bod_> i dont remember who that was,. although tritium was there
[08:12] <jussi01> bod_: a moment please
[08:12] <bod_> thankyou
[08:16] <jussi01> bod_: I cant see who it is at the moment. Please com back another time, possibly in ~6-8 hours when the other side of the world has woken up.
[08:17] <bod_> jussi01, ok,. thats just enough time to go to school,.,. What do you mean by "Cant see who it is" ? who what is?
[08:17] <jussi01> bod_: who banned you.
[08:17] <bod_> oh,. ok,. I will ask tritium later,. Thankyou for your help
[08:18] <jussi01> np
 I am in my W E B C A M enters and we spoke. Kisses! WWW.PUTA.COM.AR < /msg on /join to #ubuntu
[08:21] <jussi01> stdin: yay, you got lucky :P
[08:22] <bod_> with Angelina Jolie (lucky sod)
[08:22] <stdin> well, she's not really my type :p
[08:22] <bod_> u wouldnt say no tho
[08:23] <jussi01> bod_: Please see the topic and come back in the time I said. :)
[08:23] <bod_> sorry,. cya
[08:29] <stdin> !staff | please kill our spammer AngelinaJolie26 :)
[08:29] <ubotu> please kill our spammer AngelinaJolie26 :): Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[09:19] <Daviey> Might wanna watch lollo in #ubuntu
[12:12] <ikonia>  DemonX> fuck
[12:12] <ikonia> 11:54 < DemonX> )
[12:35] <emgent> hello there
[12:36] <emgent> it's possible join ubot in #ubuntu-hardened?
[12:36] <emgent> we need it to control with !info package when ubuSecurity report Advisory.
[12:57] <hk2999> how do i get unbanned from ubuntu-offtopic?
[12:58] <hk2999> it's a mistake! i never said anything offensive....
[13:01] <hk2999> there wasn't even a warning.
[13:02] <jrib> "i think sabdfl is the next hitler!" might have done it?
[13:02] <hk2999> i dont know
[13:02] <hk2999> whats so bad about that?
[13:02] <ikonia> ooh he's hear
[13:02] <hk2999> i mean he will change the computing world...
[13:03] <ikonia> next revolutionary is different to next hitler
[13:03] <hk2999> hahaha... i really dont know...
[13:03] <hk2999> i didn't have a warning...
[13:03] <hk2999> can i be unbanned?
[13:03] <hk2999> promise won't do it again.
[13:03] <hk2999> will follow the !coc to the letter.
[13:08] <hk2999> so, what do i do to remove the ban? (i really enjoy offtopic)
[13:08] <jrib> you'll have to wait for the op that banned you
[13:08] <ikonia> hk2999: sit patiently and wait for someont to get to you
[13:08] <hk2999> ok... thanks.
[13:18] <hk2999> Pici: when can i get unbanned?
[13:22] <Pici> hk2999: I suggest that you think about what you say before you say it.
[13:22] <hk2999> actually, i was just experimenting on what would happen if i said it
[13:23] <hk2999> i wasn't like that from the start, you know me, right?
[13:23] <hk2999> so please i will never do it again. please unban me.
[13:24] <Pici> Experimenting huh. This ban will not be lifted at this time.  Come back in at least 24 hours and it will be discussed again
[13:24] <hk2999> ok. thanks.
[13:26] <Pici> I dont even know what to say about that.
[13:27] <ikonia> seemed odd
[13:27] <ikonia> perhaps just asking "is this acceptable as a joke"
[13:27] <ikonia> would be better
[13:29] <ikonia> whois jk2999
[13:29] <ikonia> oops
[13:29] <ikonia> what language is -ph ?
[13:30] <no0tic> phonetic
[13:30] <no0tic> :P
[13:32] <ikonia> that maiks sens
[13:33] <ikonia> (not sure how phonetic that was)
[13:34] <no0tic> in my phonetic "det meics sens"
[13:35] <ikonia> sounds german
[13:36] <no0tic> true
[13:55] <ubotu> Daviey called the ops in #ubuntu (Karlo)
[13:56] <Seveas> !staff
[13:56] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
  Best girls in the world - http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139655440
[13:56] <Daviey> Seveas: Faster than a speeding bullet
[13:58] <emgent> ubot master heya :)
[13:58] <emgent> it's possible join ubot in #ubuntu-hardened?
[13:58] <emgent> we need it to control with !info package when ubuSecurity report Advisory.
[13:58] <Seveas> emgent, I need approval from the channels owner for that
[13:59] <emgent> Seveas, oh ok
[14:33] <ubotu> BluesKaj called the ops in #kubuntu (Blizzy)
[14:34] <Mez> !staff | Blizzy
[14:34] <ubotu> Blizzy: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
 Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today?
[14:34] <Mez> repeated spamming of
[14:34] <LjL> in several channels likely
[14:35] <LjL> (#freenode at least, aside from #ubuntu)
[14:35] <LjL> s/ubuntu/kubuntu/
[14:35] <LjL> and #kde
[14:36] <Pici> ded.
[14:36] <Mez> * [Blizzy] #css #suse #emacs #wowace #maemo #vim ##windows #centos #defocus #freenode #math #bash #ruby-lang #archlinux #kde #mysql
[14:36] <Pici> 09:36:08 >>>> Blizzy (i=Blizzy@gateway/tor/x-e6c7442fee77cf15) has quit [Killed by denny (Please read and abide by our network rules and policies.)]
[14:36] <Pici> hes on tor.. so a kline is useless.
[14:37] <Mez> yeah :(
[14:39] <LjL> i was thinking though, couldn't the first node in tor (which possesses the originating IP, for obvious reasons) generate a (non reversible) hash of it and sent it along?
[14:40] <LjL> then of course it would be put in the hostmask (what is the hash that's currently put there?)
[14:40] <LjL> that way, they'd still be anonymous because no one would see the actual IP, but the numbers we'd see on the hostmasks would be unique to that IP
[14:41]  * LjL hates adept
[14:41] <LjL> why haven't i used apt-get dist-upgrade like i always did
[14:41]  * LjL files bug
[14:43] <Mez> LjL, simply because the first node isnt always the same, so they'd all have to use the same hashing alogorithm, meaning we'd easily be able to find the IP....
[14:43] <Mez> I mean - it's only 255^4 IPs that exist
[14:43] <Mez> 4 billion...
[14:44] <LjL> Mez, uhm yeah, brute forcing is easy
[14:44] <Mez> how long would it talke to make a loop make 4 billion, and then a lookup table ?
[14:44] <LjL> very short
[14:44] <LjL> it's like a 4 characters password
[14:44] <LjL> it can be brute-forced in a moment
[14:44] <Mez> ;)
[14:45] <LjL> well, force them to use ipv6 :)
[14:50] <Daviey> I suspect making it possible to track tor uses activity would go down like a sack of spuds
[14:52] <LjL> well it might well be optional
[14:53] <Mez> would spammers really use that option?
[14:53] <LjL> if you want to be anonymous *but* not banned from channels (and/or other places), you allow your IP to be hashed
[14:53] <Mez> isnt there already something like that
[14:53] <LjL> Mez: no, but channels would feel more comfortable banning all non-hashed masks
[14:53] <Mez> tor-something
[14:53] <LjL> Mez: yes, tor-gpg, bit of a hassle though i think
[14:54] <Mez> still - kinda the same thing really ..
[14:54] <LjL> Mez: and IIRC it involves contacting freenode and stuff... i'm thinking more a plug-and-play thing, where you're just identified by an IP hash as i said (but you're right it isn't feasible with IPv4). yes, it's the same thing in the end, just harder for people to do
[14:55] <LjL> but if all channels knew that there is an *easy* way to do it, which involves no more work than using tor "normally", i think very few of them would think twice about banning the rest
[14:55]  * Mez shrugs
[14:56] <LjL> it's not like i particularly care, mind, just thinking aloud. we have them banned in #ubuntu anyway :)
[14:56] <Mez> :P
[15:53] <usuario_> oka
[15:53] <usuario_> hola
[15:53] <usuario_> como vas?
[15:54] <usuario__> hola
[15:54] <usuario__> como estas
[15:54] <usuario__> que pasada
[15:55] <jpatrick> usuario__: #ubuntu-es-ops
[15:56] <LjL> jpatrick: they're redirected from #ubuntu actually
[15:56] <Mez> !pt | usuario__
[15:56] <jpatrick> LjL: ah well :)
[15:56] <jpatrick> !es | Mez, usuario__
[15:56] <LjL> Mez: it's spanish...
[15:56] <usuario__> hola
[15:56] <Mez> you sure ?
[15:56] <ubotu> usuario__: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[15:56] <ubotu> Mez, usuario__: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:56] <usuario__> de donde sois?
[15:56] <LjL> Mez: pretty much
[15:56] <LjL> usuario__, #ubuntu-es para soporte Ubuntu, #ubuntu-es-
[15:56] <LjL> ...
[15:56] <Mez> como vas is portuguese
[15:57] <Pici> holaaaaa
[15:57] <Pici> Oh, sorry. its: olaaaa
[15:57] <LjL> Mez: you just discovered that portuguese and spanish can be pretty similar, congrats
[15:57] <Mez> LjL, no need to be sarcastic.
[15:57] <jpatrick> Mez: como vas = how's it going (es)
[15:57] <LjL> Mez: i do many things there's no need for
[15:58] <Mez> jpatrick, and I'm actually thinking como voy ;)
[15:58] <LjL> anyway FYI usuario*!*@* is redirected from #ubuntu to hear
[15:58] <LjL> here even
[16:00] <jpatrick> LjL: why not redirect to -es?
[16:01] <LjL> jpatrick: we could, if you're ok with that... generally speaking i don't find redirected big hostmasks to other channels is a polite thing to do
[16:01] <LjL> s/redirected/redirecting/
[16:01] <jpatrick> LjL: well, if their Spanish, they'd want Spanish
[16:02] <LjL> jpatrick: reasonable enough - but would you want us to do that with the 83.230's too? :)
[16:03] <jpatrick> hmm, good point
[16:08] <sparrw> I'd like to get back into #ubuntu
[16:08] <sparrw> the automated test in -read-topic fails
[16:10] <LjL> sparrw: try again now please
[16:12] <LjL> sparrw: wait, you weren't redirected to begin with...
[16:14] <sparrw> my presence in -read-topic seems to differ from that point of view
[16:14] <sparrw> [kubrick.freenode.net][470] sparrw #ubuntu #ubuntu-read-topic :Forwarding to another channel
[16:15] <LjL> somewhat... but you aren't in the banlist nonetheless
[16:16] <LjL> sparrw: ah, sparr* was banned
[16:17] <LjL> shouldn't be any more though
[16:17] <LjL> sparrw: you probably weren't an exploit victim to begin with, but just caught by another one who liked to change nicknames into sparr<something>
[16:17] <LjL> sparrw: anyway if you want to take the test in -read-topic, you should be able to do that now
[16:19] <sparrw> thanks
[17:41] <jussi01> !ping
[17:41] <ompaul> there is no ping just a faint noise
[17:41] <ubotu> ping: unknown host
[17:42] <ompaul> !ping
[17:42] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[17:42]  * nalioth looks at ompaul 
[17:43] <ompaul> nalioth, I have no idea
[17:43] <jussi01> hehe
[17:43] <ompaul> I declare myself clueless
[17:43]  * ompaul calls ompaul a liar
[17:43] <ompaul> now either I am telling the truth or a lie or is there a third way
[17:44]  * ompaul wanders off to -ot to confuse the masses :)
[17:44] <nalioth> ompaul: you've got very fast reflexes today or you're having elective surgery in the back room of intel
[17:45] <jpatrick> heads-up: N0ob in #u
[17:46] <ompaul> jpatrick, watch the fireworks
[17:47] <jpatrick> yay!
[17:49] <jussi01> bot is _very_ slow atm
[17:50] <jpatrick> !syn
[17:50] <ubotu> ACK!
[17:50] <jpatrick> ompaul: seem to have controled it
[17:51] <ompaul> jpatrick, the problem is the wiggle room factor - leave any and people will try to troll close it down they can't do anything
[17:52] <jpatrick> ompaul: I know prefectly how that feels
[17:52]  * jpatrick glares at #ubuntu-es
[17:59] <jussi01> jpatrick: could you watch xbehave for me in #k, i need to run out
[17:59] <jpatrick> jussi01: sure thing
[17:59] <jussi01> thanks :)
[18:01] <Mez> is it me, or has there been less ops calls lately ?
[18:02] <jpatrick> Mez: it's you
[18:02] <jpatrick> !syn
[18:02] <ubotu> ACK!
[18:02] <jpatrick> hmm, lag
[18:02] <Mez> I used to get ops calls at least 3 times a day at work, now I only get once a day at most
[18:20] <ompaul> jpatrick, that one is now banned from -offtopic
[18:20] <jpatrick> ompaul: woah
[18:21] <ompaul> jpatrick, if they come here to plead their case I will have them read coc and guidelines
[18:21]  * Pici reiterates his thought that /cs lart is overkill
[18:21] <ompaul> Pici, perhaps
[18:21] <ompaul> Pici, bnut then trolling is overkill
[18:22] <jpatrick> hey Gary
[18:22] <NOob> Hello
[18:22] <NOob> Who are you people
[18:22] <ompaul> NOob, you were removed from #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:22] <NOob> And the reason is?
[18:23] <jpatrick> NOob: read the /topic :)
[18:23] <ompaul> NOob, I am now going to put several urls in this channel
[18:23] <ompaul> !guidelines
[18:23] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:23] <ompaul> !coc
[18:23] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[18:23] <NOob> FIne I will read them all but please let me back to offtopic, I will just sit there, its just that you guys had really interesting conversation and I'd like to listen to it quietly please
[18:23] <ompaul> NOob, your repeated references to cracking
[18:23] <NOob> hacking*
[18:23] <ompaul> cracking
[18:24] <jpatrick> !cracking
[18:24] <ubotu> piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[18:24] <NOob> whats cracking
[18:24] <ompaul> hacking is something different
[18:24] <ompaul> !o4o
[18:24] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[18:24] <ompaul> NOob, read all that stuff
[18:24] <ompaul> and do it now
[18:24] <ompaul> please
[18:24] <NOob> war race religion
[18:24] <NOob> politics
[18:24] <PriceChild> No need to repeat it, we've already read it all.
[18:24] <NOob> - Thanks.
[18:25] <NOob> Ok I'm done
[18:25] <ompaul> your not
[18:25] <NOob> I'm on adsl dial up
[18:25] <NOob> with 14 kbs downloading
[18:25] <NOob> I have 18 hours to go
[18:25] <NOob> and my sister is forcing me to give her the modem
[18:25] <NOob> So she could play world of warcraft
[18:25] <NOob> what should I do
[18:25] <PriceChild> NOob, the ban will not be lifted at this time. Please read those links again and come back another time.
[18:25] <ompaul> have fun then - come back when you have read that
[18:26] <NOob> thanks
[18:26] <ompaul> PriceChild, out for food - later
[18:26] <PriceChild> enjoy
[18:26] <ompaul> I will
[18:28] <PriceChild> NOob, lets not get banned in #ubuntu too.
[18:33] <jpatrick> Pici: ah, thank god your back
[18:34] <Pici> jpatrick: busy in #ubuntu?
[18:36] <PriceChild> NOob, anything else we can help you with in here?
[18:41]  * Pici keeps an eye on FunnyLookinHat
[19:06] <Gary> vead them very carevully, I vill say this only vonce
[19:07] <jpatrick> Pici: noone appeared to be around so PC op-ed me
[19:07] <Pici> I did?
[19:07] <Pici> Oh.  the other PC
[19:48] <danbhfive> is flash fixed?  I got a new package today.  If it is fixed, maybe the topic for ubuntu should be changed.
[19:49] <PriceChild> danbhfive, /topic
[19:49] <PriceChild> !flashissues
[19:49] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. Fixes have landed in -proposed for testing, but most most users are advised to wait until packages are approved and released in -updates.
[19:49] <danbhfive> ah, ok
[19:50]  * PriceChild checks where its up to
[19:52]  * jussi01 walks in
[19:52] <PriceChild> Its all still in -proposed
[19:53]  * Pici hopes it makes its way into -updates
[19:53] <PriceChild> well they've arrived at a fix for konqueror as well so should do
[19:53] <Pici> Only because its been long enough and I'm tired !flashing people.
[19:53] <Pici> yah yah, twss.
[19:58] <jussi01> on the note that its possible a lot of people will be enabling -propsed repos for flash, is it worth our while to create a dedicated !proposed factoid?
[19:58] <PriceChild> silly people
[19:58] <jussi01> one that warns of the danggers etc?
[19:59] <Daviey> Or just modify !flash to be - you can use -proposed but it's generally recommended you wait etc
[19:59] <ubotu> In ubotu, BelkMoose said: !konsole is Konsole is the terminal program for Kubuntu.  Konsole is located in the 'System' menu.
[19:59] <PriceChild> Haven't I already put that in there?
[19:59] <Pici> !cli
[19:59] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[19:59] <Daviey> !konsole
[19:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:59]  * Daviey suprised
[19:59] <jussi01> !terminal
[19:59] <Pici> !konsole-#kubuntu
[20:00] <jussi01> bot dead
[20:00] <jussi01> lol
[20:00] <jpatrick> !syn
[20:00] <Daviey> jussi01 killed it
[20:00] <ubotu> ACK!
[20:00] <Pici> !-terminal
[20:00] <ubotu> terminal aliases: shell, bash, cli, commands, rm, ln, ls, sed, awk, grep, cat, lsof, kill, symlink, sh, chown, nice, console - added by Madpilot on 2006-06-24 13:07:53
[20:00] <PriceChild> !konsole is <alias> cli
[20:00] <ubotu> I'll remember that, PriceChild
[20:00] <Pici> !no konsole is <alias> terminal
[20:00] <ubotu> You are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm
[20:00] <Pici> !no konsole is <alias> terminal
[20:00] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[20:17] <Seveas> dennis@mirage:~/ubot$ ./ubot-send.py -n ubotu join \#ubuntu-ops ''
[20:17] <Seveas> Calling join with arguments ['#ubuntu-ops', '']
[20:17] <Seveas> bot-control via dbus \o/
[20:21] <jpatrick> Seveas: is it in bzr? :D
[20:21] <Seveas> jpatrick, neh, it's too new
[20:21] <Seveas> it's not ubotu but a new bot
[20:22] <Pici> Still a supybot?
[20:23] <Seveas> no
[20:24] <Seveas> something I'm writing from scratch with very specific ideas about separation of funcitons
[20:25] <Pici> Heh.  So much for 'i want someone else to take over ubotu development'
[20:26] <Seveas> oh no that still stands
[20:26] <Seveas> I'm not touching ubotu because I got tired of supybot
[20:26] <Seveas> this is a fun new project which isn't sure to succeed :)
[20:26] <Pici> Okay :)
[20:27] <Pici> I've been working on a new bantracker, you may have seen the branch on the ubuntu-bots page.
[20:27] <Seveas> heard about it, very cool
[20:27] <mneptok> i want dbus hooks to the hrdware volume keys
[20:27] <jpatrick> Seveas: btw can you join -irc for a sec?
[20:32] <jpatrick> no0tic: 'round?
[20:33] <jussi01> jpatrick: I think he is sqare... :P
[20:33] <jpatrick> jussi01: hehe
[20:33] <jussi01> stupid u key
[20:33] <jpatrick> !u > jussi01
[20:34] <jussi01> hmmm, both ubotu and ubotwo ...
[20:40] <no0tic> jpatrick, here
[20:40] <jpatrick> no0tic: see -irc :)
[20:55] <jpatrick> nalioth: can you help us in #teensonlinux - we have a rough user with no ops around
[20:56] <jpatrick> grr, he seems to have stopped (after been asked ~10 times)
[20:58] <nalioth> jpatrick: is staff on the access list there?
[20:58] <jpatrick> no
[20:59] <nalioth> not much i can do then  :(
[20:59] <jpatrick> :(
[21:00] <nalioth> can you have staff put on the access list?
[21:01] <jpatrick> I'll ask the owner
[21:01] <jpatrick> but he isn't around
[21:01] <no0tic> jpatrick, could be useful in -es also
[21:02] <nalioth> no0tic: all #ubuntu channels should have staff on the list
[21:02] <jpatrick> no0tic: I don't have access there
[21:02] <nalioth> no0tic: if they don't, it can be made so very easily
[21:02] <jpatrick> well, access to access lists
[21:02] <nalioth> no0tic: unfortunately, #teensonlinux isn't #ubuntu*
[21:03] <jpatrick> hehe :)
[21:04] <no0tic> nalioth, indeed. I was wondering.. also LoCo workgroups' channels should have staff in acl?
[21:06] <nalioth> no0tic: having staff on the access list doesn't hurt at all
[21:07] <no0tic> In staff we trust
[21:07] <nalioth> unless staff is needed, you'll never see them (in the smaller channels)
[21:07] <ompaul> no0tic,  all others must have ops
[21:07] <no0tic> ompaul, yes, certainly
[21:08] <LjL> no0tic, having staff in every channel ensures that if there's serious issues and no op is around, they can be fixed.
[21:08] <LjL> otherwise all that everyone (including staff) can tell people is "sorry, you need to wait for the ops"
[21:08] <LjL> which people usually don't particularly like
[21:08] <no0tic> oh, LjL, good evening
[21:09] <LjL> good afternoon
[21:09] <LjL> i'm not here yet though, /me disappears :P
[21:13] <PriceChild> jpatrick, are you affiliated with tol?
[21:13] <jpatrick> PriceChild: no
[21:27] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu (umair constant bad language)
[21:28] <ikonia> PriceChild: thank you
[21:30] <ompaul> PriceChild, shall I invite them here?
[21:30] <ompaul> or leave it out
[21:30] <ikonia> ompaul: caught you at last
[21:30] <ompaul> ikonia, ack
[21:30] <ikonia> didn't see you login /notify must not be up to speed
[21:31] <ompaul> I have a spare ticket for the N gig and a request from Alan Cotton to find him when I am there
[21:31] <ompaul> ;-)
[21:31] <PriceChild> ompaul, meh they'll live
[21:31]  * ompaul is a great ligger
[21:31] <ikonia> very cool !
[21:31] <PriceChild> ompaul, they could be talking about worse things
[21:31] <ompaul> ikonia, you need a good gig call me
[21:31] <ompaul> :)
[21:31] <ikonia> your the tout !
[21:32] <ikonia> back in 5 just need to check on an few installs
[21:33]  * Pici wonders what point Flare183 is making..
[21:36] <ompaul> ikonia, bad news it is a Sunday night
[21:45] <LjL> Pici: point?
[21:46] <LjL> Pici: you need to stop assuming people have a point
[21:49] <ompaul> LjL, leave Pici alone, Pici gets the idea that points matter cos of all of them in the factoid factory ;-)
[21:51] <LjL> !point is <reply> Do you have any?
[21:51] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[21:52] <ompaul> !point | LjL vis that factoid?
[21:52] <ubotu> LjL vis that factoid?: Do you have any?
[21:52] <ompaul> ;-)
[21:52] <LjL> !no | ompaul
[21:53] <Pici> takk.
[21:53] <ubotu> ompaul: Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[21:53] <LjL> varsågod
[21:53] <ompaul> the powar to hehe
[21:59] <jussi01> !pici
[21:59] <ubotu> pici is stuck in a factoid factory! Send help!
[22:12] <htns> Hi I am still banned from #ubuntu
[22:13] <htns> I would like to join so I can get some real-time help
[22:14] <LjL> i'd unban but my client is busy sending ping replies, sorry
[22:14] <htns> LjL: Dude I'm really sorry...
[22:15] <htns> I was on drugs at the time
[22:15] <htns> And ... yeah
[22:15] <htns> unban me plox
[22:17] <nalioth> htns: how long were you banned for? a day for every maliciously sent ping?
[22:18] <htns> It wasn't malicious....
[22:18] <htns> I just pinged him a lot, and I stopped
[22:18] <nalioth> if it wasn't malicious, what purpose was it for?
[22:18] <htns> I was posting offtopic stuff in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:18] <htns> I guess it offended LjL and he started picking a fight with me
[22:19] <nalioth> right, so after that, you sent constant pings for 12+ hours
[22:19] <htns> I thought he was just some twerp that was trying to screw with me, but then he opped himself and banned me from both #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu
[22:19] <htns> Uh no....
[22:19] <nalioth> if the pings weren't malicious, what were they for?
[22:19] <htns> I sent constant pings for less than an hour
[22:19] <htns> I quit my client after like 35 minutes
[22:19] <nalioth> 1201904118 16:15 < htns> I was on drugs at the time                    <<< are you sure?
[22:20] <htns> nalioth: I was on ativan
[22:20] <nalioth> ok, and?
[22:20] <htns> LjL's banned me for personal reasons, not official reasons
[22:20] <htns> I was posting in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:20] <htns> Which is like /b/ I presumed
[22:21] <htns> But then LjL got all fessed up with me and banned me
[22:21] <htns> Because I guess it offended him or something
[22:21] <htns> d-_-b
[22:24] <Seveas> so you irc while on drugs, send a flood of pings to somebody and thin it's ok to annoy people who are not ops?
[22:24] <Seveas> not likely that you'll be unbanned soon, or ever for that matter
[22:24] <htns> wtf
[22:25] <htns> LjL banned me for something stupid that was personal to him
[22:25] <ompaul> htns, IRC is not a democracy
[22:25] <htns> Then I got pissed off and started acting up
[22:25] <htns> LjL started it
[22:25] <ompaul> htns, you had no right
[22:25] <nalioth> htns: so that made it ok for you to ping him for 12 hours?
[22:25] <Seveas> personal attacks are a good reason for a ban
[22:25] <ompaul> to escalate
[22:25] <htns> ompaul: Then how come 99% of your IRCers are all about Ron Paul or the Democrat party?
[22:25] <htns> Might as well practice democracy you hypocrites
[22:25] <ompaul> htns, excuse me
[22:26] <ompaul> IRC is not a democracy
[22:26] <ompaul> Seveas,
[22:26] <Seveas> that was going nowhere
[22:26] <Seveas> I can take 12 hours of ping :)
[22:26] <ompaul> arrrgh I was going to have revenge on location based assumption
[22:26] <ompaul> brain crushing
[22:26]  * Seeker` doesn't have a clue who Ron Paul is
[22:27] <nalioth> Ron Paul is a US presidental candidate
[22:27] <Seeker`> a Democrat?
[22:27] <Seveas> apparently
[22:27] <nalioth> no
[22:27]  * Seeker` doesn't know a huge amount about the US system
[22:27] <Seveas> ah
[22:28]  * Seveas neither
[22:28] <nalioth> he ran as a Libertarian last time, and this time he's running Republican
[22:28] <ompaul> liberal?
[22:28] <ompaul> haha
[22:28] <Seeker`> hmm
[22:28] <ompaul> guess that makes me wrong
[22:28] <Seeker`> The UK system is easier to understand imo
[22:29] <ompaul> Seeker`, just cos you live there methinks
[22:30] <nalioth> yeah, Seeker`.  You come to the US and mention 'tory' and you'll get strange looks
[22:31] <Seeker`> the way people are elected in the US is too complicated
[22:31] <Seeker`> in the UK its all over in 1 day
[22:34] <ompaul> Seeker`, what they are excited about is polling to see who will be in the real election
[22:34] <nalioth> Seveas: your ban was just made moot.  htns caught a train
[22:35] <Seeker`> nalioth: The k-line train?
[22:35] <Seeker`> ompaul: It seems like they drag it out unnecessarily
[22:36] <ompaul> Seeker`,  someone has to spend money to win an election they just make it a year long event
[22:36] <nalioth> Seeker`: yes
[22:36] <mc44> Seeker`: sure, but they get to actually elect their leader, unlike us ;P
[22:37] <ompaul> mc44, one queen for all eh?
[22:37] <ompaul> or are you referring to the Gordon guy?
[22:38] <mc44> both, either :)
[22:38] <ompaul> hey mc44  yeah that just occurred to me as I started to type
[22:39] <ompaul> mc44, unlike us, we get to choose the gangster who runs the banana republic :)
[22:40] <Seeker`> they should be forced to call an election if a PM leaves
[22:42] <PriceChild> Wth was that about 99% ops being ron paul or whatevers? madness.
[22:49] <ompaul> PriceChild, someone looking for a kline
[22:52] <ubotu> syntaxerror55 called the ops in #ubuntu (_Mercury_)
[22:53] <ompaul> guess that was him again ...
[22:53] <ompaul> idiot
[22:53] <ompaul> what you call a vague assumption
[23:22] <PriceChild> Hello there iKap, how can I help?
[23:24] <PriceChild> (talking in pm)
[23:34] <PriceChild> ah well
[23:50] <PriceChild> started talking to ikap in pm but left before i reviewed logsg