[00:20] <owh> In  case anyone is watching, it all worked as expected after the hoop-jumping, boots up, happy, all good.
[00:31] <foo> Hm, what log files do you guys believe  needs to be checked? syslog and messages?
[00:36] <owh> foo, checked, for what?
[00:37] <foo> for the sake of maintenance and making sure everything is running good
[00:49] <owh> foo: Well, the answer, as usual, is: "It depends." - If you're running samba, then the logs for mysql will be of little use to you. Similarly, an ftp server maintains different logs from a print server. So really, depending on the services you're running, the logs differ.
[00:50] <foo> owh: hm, actually, fair enough - now I see how that question I asked isn't necessarily the greatest question I've asked :) Thanks.
[00:52] <owh> foo, It happens to all of us at some time or other :)
[00:53] <foo> :)
[02:34] <jackfusion> hi all
[02:35] <jackfusion> how is every one tonight?
[02:35] <jackfusion> Is there any one in here at all?
[03:04] <faulkes-> yes, there are people in here ;) some of us just got home though
[03:27] <qman> I was wondering if anyone here had suggestions for setting up an extremely minimal X environment on ubuntu server
[03:28] <qman> I tried just installing xorg and icewm with a few deps, and it runs
[03:28] <qman> but it won't shut down
[03:28] <faulkes-> what wont shutdown?
[03:28] <qman> X
[03:28] <qman> if I try to stop X by any method at all
[03:28] <faulkes-> not that I recommend using X on a server at all, however
[03:29] <qman> I can't go back to a terminal, and the system won't shut down
[03:29] <qman> well, this isn't for a server
[03:29] <qman> I'm just using server because it's stripped down
[03:29] <faulkes-> ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't kill X for you?
[03:29] <qman> it does
[03:29] <qman> but X never comes back up
[03:29] <qman> and my terminal never shows up
[03:29] <qman> it just goes blank
[03:30] <qman> my goal in this
[03:30] <qman> is to create the smallest install footprint I can
[03:30] <qman> to run vmware server and the console on the same box
[03:30] <faulkes-> X will switch itself over to usually tty6 or 7, did you try going back to tty1 or whatever where you launched X?
[03:30] <qman> yes
[03:30] <qman> with X running, if I try to switch terminals
[03:31] <qman> my screen just goes blank
[03:31] <qman> and I'm stuck again
[03:31] <qman> I installed xinit to start X, and installed xfonts-base
[03:31] <qman> other than that, just dependencies
[03:32] <faulkes-> how are you starting X?
[03:32] <qman> startx
[03:33] <faulkes-> anything being logged to dmesg or /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[03:33] <qman> nothing helpful
[03:34] <qman> the last things in Xorg.0.log
[03:34] <qman> are initializing the mouse
[03:35] <faulkes-> type of video card and driver?
[03:35] <qman> video card is an nvidia GeForce 8600GTS, I didn't install any proprietary drivers
[03:36] <qman> driver is "vesa"
[03:37] <qman> aha
[03:37] <qman> I changed it to "nv"
[03:37] <qman> and it all works
[03:37] <qman> thanks for the hint
[03:37]  * faulkes- nods
[03:37] <faulkes-> yw
[04:14] <foo> Hm, is there a way to save a file in vim when I piped something to it? from the man page:  s filename seems to do it... but I can't seem to get that to work. It just says "log file in use"
[04:21] <faulkes-> could you give a cli example
[04:21] <faulkes-> like vi | cat /tmp/file or somesuch?
[04:24] <foo> doh! I mean, less
[04:38] <faulkes-> again, can you show me a cli example?
[07:44] <kraut> moin
[09:19] <ivoks> i'm from doing changes in dovecot and installing full stack trough tasksel (including maildir)
[09:22] <Gargoyle> Morning all
[10:39] <CrummyGummy> Hiya
[10:51] <faulkes-> I am less than amused with the hour at which I am still awake and others considering "morning"
[10:51] <faulkes-> I must be getting old
[10:52] <faulkes-> good morning folks
[10:54] <_ruben> faulkes-: that's what "gug" is for: Generic UTC Greeting
[10:54] <_ruben> so, gug ;)
[10:58] <faulkes-> see what I mean about old? I can barely manage a LOL
[11:01] <Gargoyle> lol
[11:01] <Gargoyle> however, if it is a UTC greeting, then Morning would be accurate!
[11:06] <faulkes-> just past 6am here, I went to bed at like midnight, havent slept a wink so I've been trolling the support forums for unanswered posts to help with
[11:09] <tjaalton> huh, I sent an email to u-s@, but I got a bounce saying that I'm not subscribed which is not true
[11:09] <Gargoyle> faulkes-: You got a bit of insomnia or are you just a night owl?
[11:10] <faulkes-> Gargoyle: something like insomnia but not quite
[11:10] <faulkes-> I suppose if I really wanted to sleep I could just go read the opening chapter of the PMBOK which is enough to put even the most hardcore insomniac to sleep
[11:11] <Gargoyle> lol
[11:11] <faulkes-> (project management body of knowledge) for those not familiar with the term
[11:12] <Gargoyle> but project management is funnnnnnnnnnn                            Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[11:12] <faulkes-> actually, I rather enjoy project management, the actual application thereof
[11:13] <faulkes-> having to read about it, well, that's an entirely different story
[11:14] <faulkes-> I swear I've cut myself on sharper spoons the authors are so dull
[11:15] <Gargoyle> ha ha ha
[11:16] <faulkes-> I should write a PM book so cutting edge and thrilling it would be the spork of the PM world
[11:16] <Gargoyle> get some sleep first...
[11:18] <faulkes-> probably not a bad idea, I'm getting punchy
[11:29] <Gargoyle> Anyone know of any good webmail installs that work well with postfix+dovecott using both pop/imap email types?
[11:47] <Znuff> Hello. My Asus Mainboard has 2 Marvell SATA controllers but my fresh ubuntu install only sees the disk on the 1st one, not the second one. These is what lspci returns:
[11:47] <Znuff> 02:00.0 RAID bus controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6121 SATA II Controller (rev b1)
[11:47] <Znuff> 04:00.0 RAID bus controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6121 SATA II Controller (rev b2)
[11:48] <Znuff> Anyone knows what's wrong? :-/
[12:09] <ivoks> which ubuntu is that?
[12:09] <Znuff> ivoks, 7.10
[12:12] <ivoks> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#marvell
[12:12] <Znuff> found that, but it doesn't say anything on how to fix it
[12:13] <ivoks> try disabling raid functions in bios
[12:13] <ivoks> let them be, what they are - just sata controllers
[12:13] <Znuff> uhm :-|
[12:13] <Znuff> ok, I'll try that too
[12:14] <ivoks> linux software raid is better than those fakeraids
[12:15] <Znuff> ivoks, that's what I'm trying to do
[12:15] <Znuff> ivoks, got 5 hdds and an optical drive on the sata controllers
[12:15] <Znuff> 1 hdd for the OS, 4 for RAID5
[12:56] <lamont> ScottK: 2.4.7
[12:56] <ScottK> Cool.
[12:57] <ScottK> lamont: Then I'd say let's go with the original plan, get that in and then backport it.
[12:57] <Znuff> any ideas if there's a 2.6.23 or 2.6.24 kernel backported to 7.10? :-/
[12:58] <zul> no there isnt
[12:59] <Znuff> :-/
[13:04] <zul> 2.6.24 is for hardy you will have to compile the kernel yourself if you want to run 2.6.23 or 2.6.24
[13:16] <Gargoyle> woo hoo snow.... rain... hail the size of marbles!
[13:16] <Gargoyle> Damit... I need to go out - letters to post, banking to do, blah blah blah... I am going to get drowned, blown away and frozen.
[13:17] <Gargoyle> And that means I'll miss hollyoaks! ;)
[13:18] <Gargoyle> back later...
[13:18] <Gargoyle> maybe!
[13:54] <coolbhavi> Can we use drivers of desktop edition in server edition
[13:54] <coolbhavi> ?
[13:55] <ScottK> coolbhavi: Please ask a more specific question.
[13:55] <ScottK> What exactly is it you are trying to do?
[13:55] <coolbhavi> My wireless driver failed on server edition
[13:56] <coolbhavi> so i am thinking to use desktop drivers..
[13:56] <coolbhavi> Is it possible?
[13:58] <pepperjack> worst case you apt-get the generic desktop kernel
[13:58] <ScottK> coolbhavi: I suspect they are the same.
[13:59] <ScottK> As pepperjack says, you could install the generic kernel and try that, but I'd be suprised if it made a difference.
[13:59] <coolbhavi> OK.. I ll get the desktop kernel.. and try.....
[14:00] <faulkes-> I would have to agree, I would first look at what wireless card you are using and why those drivers are failing, if it is a driver issue at all
[14:00] <coolbhavi> OK
[14:01] <coolbhavi> thanks for the info..
[14:03] <ikonia> you can't use the restricted device manager package onthe server package
[14:03] <ikonia> if your intalling the ubuntu desktop and the ubuntu-generic kernel, you may as well install the desktop CD
[14:03] <coolbhavi> OK
[17:25]  * soren hugs nealmcb for raising the sanity level in that pointless Samba bug thread
[17:39] <sommer> heh... that one was going into crazy land
[18:18] <nealmcb> soren: :-)
[18:19] <nealmcb> soren: thanks for working hard to keep the tone of that conversation civil.  not easy!
[18:19] <nealmcb> especially when that isn't even the place for a conversation....
[19:05] <_Drax> Ive just recently joined the ubuntu community by installing the server edition on my standalone computer, first reason I did was I needed a webserver and the LAMP solution was perfect. Im now interested in suggestions on what more I can use it for. I will join the NTP pool project and if you know more things like those please let me know.
[20:05] <telexicon> I am running ubuntu server on a dell poweredge 2650.. I have 4GB of ram but it is recognizing only 256MB. Is there a way to fix this?
[20:07] <ivoks> install mode?
[20:07] <ivoks> some servers have bios option 'OS install mode'
[20:07] <telexicon> oh, let me check that
[20:12] <telexicon> yes it was
[20:12] <telexicon> :S ... thanks
[20:12] <ivoks> np
[20:31] <mathiaz> bug #179905
[20:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179905 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "Bus Error when attempting to access MySQL Server using host name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179905
[20:33] <mathiaz> zul: did you find a reference in mysql upstream bug database ?
[20:33] <zul> not yet..
[20:34] <mathiaz> zul: it seems that it's a problem in libnss
[20:35] <mathiaz> zul: it may be better to get gethostbyname_r fixed in there rather than adding a workaround in mysql-dfsg
[20:37] <zul> ill get more information from the user
[23:26] <electrofreak> I need help with apache on ubuntu 7.10
[23:26] <leonel> electrofreak: and the error or help you need is ??
[23:27] <electrofreak> leonel, Well... It's kind of a problem on most distros by default... permissions. How can I make it so that scripts and what not get executed by the owning user?
[23:28] <electrofreak> php, for instance. If it wants to write a while.... it isn't actually able to unless the directory gives write permissions to apache
[23:28] <electrofreak> *write a file
[23:29] <electrofreak> this can certainly be done by vhosts, correct?
[23:45] <sherl0k> anyone have a good grasp on mysql configs?
[23:53] <leonel> electrofreak: you can use apache-prefork  and configure  so the  apache fork runs  as the user you want
[23:53] <leonel> sherl0k: sorry  PostgreSQL here ;-)