[00:05] wolfger: you can add comments by e-mail [00:06] hmm, I guess it's not possible to launch an external app via systemsettings [00:07] Riddell: Is it? I never noticed that. I always click the link in the e-mail to go to the bug report. [00:07] because the first service .desktop file *has to* link to another .desktop service file, and the other .desktop service file *has to* be a kcmshell type with a library defined. [00:20] darn it.. nixternal beat me to the reply [00:22] aah, this simple task requires me either to do some intensive kcontrol editing (large patches nobody wants) or write a whole new kcm module for launching 3rd party apps (as if C++ isn't strange by itself) [00:22] all in all, zero fun, a lot of work... not for me :o) [00:25] much the same conclusion I'd come to :) [00:25] that's too bad [00:26] you shouldn't be counting on the diffusion of responsibility like I am :o) [00:26] we kind of need this one [00:26] for being able to launch KDE3 guidance modules from KDE4 at least [00:27] or anything in PyQt4 (desktop-effects, jockey...) [00:27] that's a temporary issue hopefully [00:27] it is [00:28] but not likely to be fixed for Hardy. [00:28] well, having a few apps accessible only from the menu is not that bad. [00:29] re [00:30] * apachelogger_ is wondering whether aseigo is using opensuse because of canonical [00:30] strange things are going on here [00:30] hmm, that's like adoring Hitler because you didn't like G.W. [00:30] apachelogger_: yes (mostly) [00:31] * mhb loves crazy analogies [00:31] mhb: slightly harsh! [00:31] Riddell: I honestly don't get it, Novell wasn't exactly KDE loving either in the past :S [00:31] right... [00:32] apachelogger_: no but suse is [00:32] " i'm a little tired of the *buntu world these days and unhappy with some of their decisions. didn't help that on my last upgrade of my laptop, it rendered my system unusable due to a screw up in their evms packaging; this was doubly "humorous" as the system wasn't using evms at all. it was just installed and that was enough. this isn't the first time such a catastrophic update has come down those apt-get pipes," [00:32] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/release-event-prep.html [00:32] Riddell: we aren't? :S [00:32] kind of defeats the purpose as suse is even less supported than Kubuntu [00:33] it's as much community effort as we are. [00:33] don't think so [00:33] novell is still having quite some KDE devs employed [00:33] apachelogger_: well AFAIK there's no support at all for opensuse [00:33] apachelogger_: they even market it for "enthusiasts" [00:34] true [00:34] but I think it's not all about the support [00:34] more the actual honoring of KDE as major desktop for linux [00:34] anyway [00:35] Riddell: can you please add '-DKDE4_KDM_PAM_SERVICE:STRING=kdm-kde4' to 4.0.1's workspace? [00:35] probably that's because they (Novell) have a commercial edition, which gets stuff from opensuse. Ubuntu doesn't. so there's nothing to market as "for enthusiasts" [00:35] I guess I should drop my crazy analogies (I apologize for the last one) and go back to making Kubuntu rock [00:35] I suspect bug 184291 is caused by missing pam usage in KDM [00:35] which is what I care about [00:35] Launchpad bug 184291 in kdebase-workspace "Wrong encoding with kde applications using a kdm4 X session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184291 [00:35] hence it doesn't read the lang var [00:35] s/lang/LANG even [00:35] apachelogger_: got a diff of debian/rules for that? [00:36] not right now, can make one though [00:36] as soon as I found my laptop [00:50] apachelogger_: I can work it out [00:51] Riddell: ok, I would have to wait for the filesystem check [00:52] and I have to go to sleep :) [00:56] sleep is for the weak :p [00:56] I guess I am weak, I slept 80% or more of this entire week [00:56] * Jucato .weak = true; // public data member. go figure [00:56] haha [00:57] only slept 3 hours today, so I guess I'm with Riddell on this one :P [00:57] memberK Jucato; [00:57] :D [00:57] Jucato.setWeak(true); [00:57] ahh, you made weak public [00:57] yeah, otherwise you guys won't have known about it :) [00:58] sure we would of, you are open source, so we have all the code [00:58] hahaha :) [00:58] mutators rock! [00:58] can't argue with that :) [00:58] mutants rock even more! :) [00:58] I have been a mutant all week [00:58] curled up in the fetal position [00:59] and for the next 60 minutes, I'll be a mutant that has the ability to remain oblivious to the world :) [00:59] or fatal position, as that is how I felt...dead [00:59] I think you contaminated me slightly :) [00:59] and laserjock [00:59] mv Jucato $HOME/$ROOM/Bed/ [01:03] heh, Riddell had the same idea as I had...and easier way to move my settings around from computer to computer [01:03] I have a svn server here, so my ~/ is in svn now :) [01:04] ug, svn [01:04] hehe [01:04] mhhh [01:04] svn [01:04] at this point in time, I like SVN over Bzr [01:04] goodness, why? [01:04] nixternal: I guess you don't run 2 machines at the same time? [01:04] I have used it forever, and it is faster [01:04] * apachelogger_ imagines lovely merge issues with svn [01:04] apachelogger_: 5 running right now [01:05] only one machine (my laptop) is the committer [01:05] the rest I just svn export [01:05] ok [01:05] that's not very dynamic though :P [01:05] dynamic enough for me [01:05] i.c. [01:06] * apachelogger_ is wondering how wine got in his glass [01:06] after that, I typically just scp stuff back and forth between machines if need be [01:06] that's a side issue obviously, the hard part if getting it as a part of KDE's configuration framework [01:06] s/if/is/ [01:06] Riddell: you should be happy to know though that Kubuntu docs are now at least managed in Bzr :) [01:06] I think I'm suffering from a paranoia [01:06] nixternal: certainly am [01:07] Riddell: the whole thing could go way bigger [01:07] hehe, because of you and jjesse (who seemed to lose his svn password every other week) [01:07] ...have a freedesktop system for it [01:07] defining configuration stoarge servers [01:07] and merging stuff [01:07] hrmm, something like that storage solution Cleversafe is working on would be quite cool [01:08] then make it builtin in KDE and GNOME [01:08] distributed storage, quite fast, nice, and free software [01:08] this also would resolve issues like podcasts in amarok [01:08] plus I know all the people in the company...who just asked if I would be interested in working for them [01:09] I take it that Kicker doesn't like to use transparent images for backgrounds [01:09] btw, how are we going to do printer configuration in KDE 4? [01:10] hm [01:10] kicker [01:10] I have been using system settings to do printer configuration for me [01:10] apachelogger_: system-config-printer-kde [01:10] and ya, read our release notes that we pour our sweat, blood, and tears on for every release :p [01:11] Riddell: one can manual configure printers as well? [01:11] apachelogger_: once I've written it :) [01:11] hehe, very cool :D [01:11] * Riddell sleeps [01:11] k'nite Riddell [01:11] * apachelogger_ states: KDE 4 in hardy will rock the house [01:11] Riddell: nini [01:12] here is one thing that blows my mind about KDE 4 right now [01:12] when I go and do a presentation, my laptop actually works correctly with the projector [01:12] with KDE 3, I would spend to much time trying to get it to work before I ended up asking to borrow someone elses machine [01:13] thanks to intel it worked quite well in KDE 3 as well :) [01:13] I use Intel, and it never worked quite well for me [01:13] so it's my lovely chip :D [01:13] anyway [01:13] haha [01:13] KDE 4 is going to be one awesome DE [01:14] that it is [01:14] once I can shrink my panel come 4.0.2 :) [01:14] *cough* patch *cough* [01:15] 4.0.2 will be out before Hardy is complete anyways, so we don't need to patch [01:15] nixternal: yeah, but I want that feature now, not when .2 gets released ;-) [01:24] nixternal: was it committed to branch or to trunk? [01:25] trunk [01:25] then that won't be in until 4.1 right? [01:25] sorry, branch 4.0.2 [01:25] oh ok :) [01:25] I gotta quit confusing myself [01:25] you gotta quit confusing me :) [01:26] heh, PIZZA TIME! [01:26] bbiaf [01:26] boo@ [01:26] boo! [01:26] * Jucato wants pizza too [01:26] Hobbsee: who do you think you are? bddebian or something :p [01:27] OK, pizza for real, have a large Chicago style with my name all over it! :) [01:27] * Hobbsee is the almighty hobbsee [01:27] PHEAR THE ALMIGHTY HOBBSEE! [01:32] * apachelogger_ starts crying and hides unter the table [01:48] * Hobbsee eyes jono's blog post [01:50] oh good, i'm glad people have pointed out what i was thinking [01:56] Which bit was that? [01:58] http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1113 [01:58] the rubbish about gnome has 2 developers, and kubuntu has 1 [01:58] yes, plus the bugsquad, etc, who go thru gnome bugs, the hug days, also for gnome bugs, compiz, primarily for gnome, printing, which goes to gnome first, and doesn't come to kubuntu unless Riddell writes a frontend... [02:01] * Hobbsee could just blog her disagreements to planet ;P [02:06] * Hobbsee comments [02:13] * apachelogger_ would love a blog about that :P [02:13] <-- too lazy to do it [02:13] anyways [02:13] * apachelogger_ heads off to bed [02:19] * ScottK2 commented just now. [02:40] if you guys commented on that blog post, I don't see it yet.. maybe moderated [02:47] Hmmm. I could see my comment right away. I never saw Hobbsee's though. [02:55] ScottK: ditto [02:55] Odd. [02:56] Now, if this really is true, with the idea of equal support for ubuntu and kubuntu, how come: [02:56] * [02:56] We never have canonical staff working on a KDE hug day - they’re either on something like ubiquity, for both distros, or for a part of gnome? [02:56] * [02:56] We don’t have full KDE support for compiz yet? [02:56] * [02:56] Riddell has to go and write GUIs for things that other people have put in, usually canonical staff, which only have frontends for gtk? [02:56] ScottK, Hobbsee: comments only go as far as #33 for me [02:56] I don’t have a problem with Kubuntu only being a community supported release, apart from Riddell - but you shouldn’t claim it gets equal, or almost equal, support and standing with Ubuntu, when it clearly isn’t true. [02:56] I'd have thought Jono was smart enough not to stir things up about KDE right now. [02:56] Hobbsee: Also since Canonical sells support contracts for Kubuntu, it is by definition NOT a community release. [02:57] ScottK: if that's the case, then Kubuntu sucks as a commercial distro :) [02:57] heh [02:57] Yeah. [02:58] If I'd been on Dapper Kubuntu with a support contract I'd be REALLY pissed off right now. [02:58] apparently those don't exist [02:58] No? [02:58] OK. [02:58] as in, the people who are on support contracts are on feisty or above [02:58] * Hobbsee asked about that... [02:59] I see. OK. Well at least they haven't dissed paying customers then. [02:59] which, thinking of dapper kubuntu, and how far it's gone since then...isn't surprising [02:59] Hobbsee: right... I don't have problems with Kubuntu being a community distro. It just irks me that some Ubuntu/Canonical people advertise it as on par with Ubuntu, or that Ubuntu is a community distro in the same sense as Kubuntu... [02:59] * ScottK is typing on a Dapper Kubuntu box right now. [02:59] Jucato: yes, exactly [02:59] ScottK: a wired box, i take it? [02:59] Yes. [02:59] well, taht's one thing you don't need to worry about then [02:59] Edgy was the first time I got wireless to work on Kubuntu. [03:00] exactly [03:00] hm.. there will be a major Kubuntu rollout here in the Philippines soon, on around 10,000 units. I wonder if they bough Canonical support contracts :) [03:00] * Hobbsee got it to work with wpasupplicant and ndiswrapper for dapper [03:00] My problem was I'd already switched to WPA. [03:01] Which complicated things considerably back then. [03:01] wpa supplicant runes aren't that hard [03:01] they tended to drop out a bit, though [03:01] They were too hard for me at the time. [03:01] ah [03:01] uh oh... troy barks back... [03:01] * ScottK didn't start doing any development work until Feisty. [03:01] Jucato: Link? [03:01] http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/15089.html [03:03] "To those users, don't believe that kubuntu is the only good KDE distro out there! There are many very popular KDE distros in the world that treat KDE as a first class citizen." ouch... that's a bit harsh :/ [03:04] Jucato: How so. Sounds accurate to me. [03:04] None of them fit my requirements for other reasons, but still he's not wrong. [03:04] well, Kubuntu treats KDE as a first class citizen. ;) [03:05] sounds pretty accurate to me [03:05] Sure, if you view it that narrowly, but *ubuntu doesn't treat KDE even close to equally. [03:05] Jucato: you're saying that canonical does treat kubuntu as first class? [03:05] the problem is with Ubuntu+Canonical :) [03:05] Hobbsee: yes [03:05] aaaanyway.... [03:06] hm... he forgot to mention Mandriva's partnership with TurboLinux... [03:07] hahah! why does troy always use "virgin" instead of "vanilla"? :) [03:10] "Jono and Canonical make a lot of money on KDE (kubuntu) deployments, support, and more, despite how little they put into kubuntu." <-- Hobbsee, is this accurate too? [03:13] For me my comment is supposed to be #34 on jono's blog. [03:14] still can't see it :( [03:14] oh well [04:43] OK, now I am pissed [04:44] why the hell are KDE devs taking pot shots at Kubuntu now [04:44] this is the type of crap that caused me to switch to Windows in 2000 [05:00] nixternal_: I think they're taking shots at Canoncial. Not the same at all. [05:01] I hope so [05:01] nixternal_: I assume you're talking about Jono's blog post and the responses. [05:01] man, I just reread Jono's post from earlier with a clearer mind...straight bs unfortunately [05:01] no, I am talking about Troy's post about Kubuntu [05:02] but after reading Jono's post a little more clearly, I understand Troy's response a tad bit clearer now [05:02] Yep. Well you can't blame them for being a little reactive given what Jono wrote. [05:02] no doubt [05:02] wtf was he thinking? [05:02] ooh, responses...I gotta read those [05:03] Part of the problem is that KDE users had no big distro to go to after everyone jumped on the gnome bandwagon. So when Mark did his KDE patron marketing gimmick alot of people fell for it and still believe that KDE is supposed to be an equal player. It didn’t help that he promised more KDE developers and never obliged. [05:03] find me this Stuart guy, I owe him a cookie [05:03] Jucato: are you Stuart? :) [05:05] ahh, and then jono leaves a comment saying "well the neglect for kde users isn't as bad as Aaron made it sound" [05:05] nixternal_: nope. but I have to thank him for being the scapegoat this time :) [05:05] haha [05:05] lol [05:05] you know what, it is great to see KDE and non-KDE people stand up and defend our treatment though [05:05] are we really 2nd class if our users are typically 1st class? [05:06] wolfger: hahahahhahaha, use fractional math! you slay me [05:06] Kubuntu treats KDE as first class... the question is how does Ubuntu/Canonical sees Kubuntu... [05:06] Yes. [05:07] we know the answer to that, but I think it is unfair to Jonathan for us to bad mouth the company he works for [05:07] Unfortunately none of those other great KDE distros is Debian based and I'm not going back to RPM hell. [05:07] oh well, I gave up on such talk. I left it behind December 31, 2007 :) [05:07] heh [05:07] nixternal_: Not at all. [05:08] what would 1 more paid developer give us? honestly? [05:08] more reason to whine :) [05:08] He does a great job and I appreciate the Canonical pays for his time. I wouldn't mind a bit if they flat out said Kubuntu is 2nd fiddle. Too bad. It's the pretending it's not so that gets to me. [05:09] nixternal_: LTS for 3.5.x [05:09] all it would really do is more than likely take one of our community members and pay them...so we will get the same amount of work done [05:09] we can do LTS for 3.5.x w/o a paid developer [05:09] we did it for 6.06 [05:09] imho it's not how many paid developers there are for Kubuntu, but rather the whole structure that Canonical has set up. [05:09] and 6.0.6 is still 3.5.2 or whatever [05:10] * Jucato just continues watching anime... [05:10] and dreaming of lunch... [05:10] 3.5.2. I'm actually installing Dapper right now. [05:10] I think if there is any one valid complaint against Canonical and their treatment of KDE/Kubuntu, it is definitely marketing [05:10] of course there are the bullet proof x, pritner config, and such [05:10] holy smokes, I actually remembered the version in Dapper [05:11] nixternal_: I'm in the midst of cross-grading an old Xandros 3 install to Kubuntu. I think I'm just about there. [05:11] just as long as the power doesnt' go out :) [05:12] I do think there is a problem with those "other" Ubuntu developers and their target DE just being Gnome really..it would be nice if they came to us and said hey, here is what we are doing for this release, would Kubuntu be interested in something different, and if so, is there a community member who would like to be apart of the development team for project x [05:13] * Jucato asked something like that months ago... [05:13] I think some communications like that would be stellar [05:13] maybe they just presume we don't have the resources to help? :) [05:14] * Jucato whistles innocently [05:14] we really don't honestly, but it wouldn't be hard to find a budding developer and spark some interest [05:14] and at least the thought/consideration and offer would be there [05:14] budding developers don't feel like coming in here and worrying about wth goes into the debian/ directory, and how to effiectively use debuild or pbuilder [05:15] at least that is what I have been told by a few people who are in that position [05:15] they want to develop, they don't want to package [05:15] Well then we ought to pair them with someone who packages. [05:15] I keep trying to tell them it doesn't have to be that way [05:15] * Jucato nods [05:15] I'd be glad to help out with that. [05:15] ScottK2: exactly what I have beent elling them [05:15] nixternal_: that was what sort of discouraged me months ago [05:15] I told them we have the packagers to help you :) [05:15] * Jucato indirectly blogged about it [05:16] er.. /me blogged "indirectly" about it [05:16] oh well :) [05:16] just tell apachelogger__ or jpatrick you need a package made, and them 2 pitbulls are on it :) [05:16] Jucato: hehe [05:16] nixternal_: my problem was that... well tbh, no one paid attention to what I was trying to do until I had a debdiff :) [05:17] but making a debdiff involves basic packaging :) [05:17] hehe...I have felt that a bit myself as well Jucato [05:18] but one thing I have learned, step up, take the lead, just do it...if they don't bite here, well that doesn't mean they won't bite elsewhere [05:18] luckily for me you and StefanS were around to offer help with the debdiff. I wonder if budding/interested developers would be as lucky :) [05:20] hah, I now take that cookie back from Stuart, or Jucato :p [05:20] lol [05:20] he put the features created for Gnome by Canonical/Ubuntu into Gnome, and when they didn't happen for Kubuntu he said that KDE fell behind [05:21] * nixternal_ now strikes everything he says from memory this point forward...he being stuart, or Jucato, of course :p [05:21] it's not me!!! give me back my kooka!! [05:21] er. .. kookie [05:21] hahahaha [05:21] hooka? [05:21] lol [05:22] My school math btw says that’s 100% more support for GNOME. And nobody changed there since the promises of Mark Shuttleworth at LinuxTag 2006. Only that he joined as supporting member to KDE e.v. - for the cheap rate for an individual person rather than as entity Canonical. [05:22] via anonymous...all I have to say is "OUCH!" [05:22] Chicken [05:22] hehe [05:23] so you'd understand why Nokia promising to be a Patron of KDE doesn't really excite me much :) [05:23] Yeah. [05:24] ooh, sebas I love your comment on his blog [05:25] Speaking of developers, I got a little coding project. I got to the part in the API change documentation where they said "rewrite your function to ..." and I fled the room. [05:25] hahahhahahahahah [05:25] roflmao [05:25] That mean you're gonna fix it for me? [05:25] wth? why can I only see 33 comments in jono's blog post? [05:26] you fled the room to get writing code, or you fled the room thinking "horsecrap!" [05:26] nixternal_: I fled the room thinking I can't do C, I'm doomed. [05:26] you know, for being considered 2nd class, we do have a ton of people supporting us, which is really special [05:27] ScottK2: LOL!!! [05:27] :D [05:27] ya, a little project of ours at the university just took a similar roll [05:27] nixternal_: Please take libdb4.3-ruby source package and make it play nice with libdb4.6. [05:27] and it is funny you were talking about Ruby today, because that is the roll it took [05:27] gahahahaha [05:27] holy smokes [05:28] are we working on the same project? [05:29] No. I'd trying to kill libdb4.2/3/4 out of the archive for Hardy instead of having them left to Universe to support after they get demoted. [05:29] This is real roadblock on the master plan as the Ruby libdb stuff only works up through 4.4 [05:31] Jucato: by chance, do you think the guy who commented on jono's blog as 'eddie' is the eddie you and I know? [05:31] he does say 'outrageous' quite a bit :) [05:31] I don't know :) [05:31] hehehe [05:31] that's the first question that came to my mind when I saw the comment [05:31] btw, how many comments do you see in jono's blog? [05:32] if he would have listed Foresight as a distro to switch too, then I would have though it was that eddie [05:32] I see 34, but #34 is mine [05:32] 33 [05:32] ah 33... ok. I'm not going crazy [05:32] Hobbsee and ScottK2 commented, but we can't see their "supposed" comments :) [05:33] I guess it's moderated or something. I looked on another computer and also saw 33. [05:33] ah maybe he moderated it afterwards :) [05:38] Gotta love Xandros. "postrm called with unknown argument 'remove'" [05:39] Cause who would ever want to remove one of their core packages... [05:59] * ScottK2 finally reboots and crosses his fingers. [06:30] ScottK2: did it work? [06:33] No [06:33] It rebooted, but it's got issues. [06:34] Looks like some old kernel modules got left behind. [06:40] those are always fun [06:40] howdy Lure [06:41] nixternal_: morning [06:41] probably night for you ;-) [06:44] 00:43, so that qualifies as morning [06:47] * Lure starts daily kde trunk build... [06:47] are you using svnbuild, or the manual cmakekde way? [06:51] nixternal_: just some handmade scripts around cmakekde/make [06:51] ahh, I rebuilt my one desktop so I can start doing the same...been about 2 weeks since it went down, time to start working on it again [06:52] * Lure is tired of reading counter-strike blog post on our "community" manager's post.... :-( [06:52] lol [06:52] who is that? [06:52] oh, never mind [06:52] lol [06:52] I thought counter-strike the game [06:52] haha [06:53] nixternal_: I really like that kde4 packages in kubuntu are now good enough as backup - so I can work most of time on trunk and if something goes wrong, I am on 4.0.x [06:53] I just did the sucker punch reply :) [06:53] start out like ya, bite there head off, then oh wait a second, then ya bite there head off, and then...boom, wth! can't we all just get along :) [06:53] nixternal_: I explained my frustrations in private mail (even before reading his post) [06:54] nixternal_: canonical should just accept that they have messed it up this time and keep it low [06:54] they have to know they are treating us a tad bit less than they do the gnome side [06:55] nixternal_: this delayed response by jone does not help anybody [06:55] but even if they were to hire a new developer, which a lot of people think will get rid of the 2nd class stuff, it isn't going to change anything [06:56] nixternal_: it is more about the message than about the resources put behind [06:56] yup [06:56] nixternal_: ubuntu is great ground for great KDE desktop, but not if all KDE devlopers will use other distros [06:57] and as Jucato, oh sorry, I mean Stuart said in one of Jono's posts, their (Canonical) actions are speaking louder than their words especially with what Mark said a little over a year ago about KDE [06:59] anyway, I will focus more now on how I can contribute to KDE and see what happens [06:59] oh no you won't...you will continue working your fingers to the bone here until we say you can work elsewhere :p [07:00] * Jucato hands nixternal_ his whip [07:00] hahaha [07:00] wait a second [07:00] why does Hobbsee have a stick and I get a damn whip? [07:00] nixternal_: sure, but only for my egositic pleasures (make my gadgets work out of box on the OS I use and love) ;-) [07:00] I can't even use a whip [07:00] hehe [07:01] nixternal_: you already have a "stick"!! be satisfied [07:01] nixternal_: not scared about Hobbsee anymore, since she is running gnome these days (she has lost power in kde land by switching desktops) ;-) [07:01] hahaha, someone in #ubuntu-chicago is singing "domu arigato mr. ubotu" [07:01] lol [07:01] pwnd [07:01] * Lure hides [07:01] wait a sec, you just said you didn't have to be scared anymore [07:02] nixternal_: I am just used to hide when mentioning here nick ;-) [07:02] nixternal_: it will take some time getting used too ;-) [07:02] but you are right, since we are using the stick with KDE, we have way more options than she does [07:02] Lure: hahahaa [07:03] easy for you to talk behind Hobbsee's back when she's not here :) [07:03] * Jucato hides [07:03] I say we have a KDS, where we work for 16, party for 6, sleep for 2 [07:03] oooops... I just highlighted Hobbsee... baaad [07:03] one hell of a 24 hour day if you ask me [07:03] sleep for 2 hours? slacker! [07:03] hahha [07:03] good point [07:04] first person to fall asleep, well lets just say we will feel sorry for that person [07:04] right... off to bed with me then :D [07:04] * nixternal_ has dibs on painting ScottK2's fingernails when his old arse passes out first :p [07:04] Jucato: I am not going to bed with you! [07:04] at 15:00... 86.1F... I dream of nothing but sleeping through the humidity [07:04] lol! [07:05] I'm off to bed I meant [07:05] sure you did :p [07:05] hahaha [07:05] * Jucato snatches the whip. *I* know how to use it >:) [07:05] I bet you do freaky boy [07:05] :D [07:05] you need to stop hanging out with eddie man [07:05] of course, a whip is useless against such a big man :) [07:05] he is bad news [07:06] right... this coversation is getting weird [07:06] ya it is, especially that last line [07:06] lol [07:06] wait until I tell eddie! [07:06]