[00:00] <roge1> with gnome-games-data and gnome-cards-data
[00:00] <roge1> both contain /usr/share/gnome-games-common/cards/bonded.svg
[00:00] <roge1> any suggestions how to resolve?
[00:07] <roge1> nm - all working now, just needed to dpkg -r gnome-games-data
[00:47] <innertruth> i just installed hardy on free unformatted partition and during installation hardy deleted all files on other partition, it was called something like "deleting conflicting operating system files". it was data files, not os. very funny, dont you think so
[00:48] <void^> did you file a bug report?
[00:48] <innertruth> no
[00:49] <innertruth> i'm using latest daily build
[00:50] <innertruth> ohh... its not latest already )
[01:34] <osito> any other broadcom users that are now looking to a wlan0_rename interface?
[01:36] <osito> my wlan now doesn't work, any suggestions?
[01:39] <osito> looks like Bug #183968
[01:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183968 in udev "interface not completely renamed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183968
[01:41] <NoelJB> I also found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/178499
[01:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178499 in linux "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0_rename: link is not ready" [Medium,Triaged]
[01:41] <NoelJB> which points to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=649038
[01:46] <osito> NoelJB, are you seeing the bug?
[01:46] <osito> experiencing it I mean
[01:47] <NoelJB> osito: nope.  Just found some info after you asked about it.
[01:48] <osito> thanks on the pointers
[01:48] <osito> I'll try the workarounds and see where they get me
[02:16] <chris062689> How would I upgrade to Hardy from Gutsy?
[02:16] <PriceChild> congratulations
[02:17] <chris062689> So.. how do I upgrade to Hardy then?
[02:18] <PriceChild> change sources.list to hardy and upgrade, dist-upgrade I would support.
[02:18] <PriceChild> If you don't know how though, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
[02:19] <chris062689> Ok so just change them manually?
[02:20] <PriceChild> If you don't know how though, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
[02:20] <chris062689> Well, I need to learn how to then :)
[02:20] <chris062689> Let me see if this works..
[02:22] <ToxinPowe> same here, gutsy to hardy...
[02:22] <chris062689> I believe we can use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -d or simply change the sources.list
[02:22] <chris062689> I'm changing the sources.list, I'll tell you how it goes.
[02:23] <ToxinPowe> Im excited for see if hardy alpha eat my dog when I reboot xD
[02:24] <chris062689> .... what? Lol
[02:24] <chris062689> Sounds like some kind of sexual implementation there.
[02:24] <ToxinPowe> xDDD
[02:25] <chris062689> I'm excited about the new programs.
[02:25] <chris062689> And also the "Unlock" feature, I guess.
[02:25] <chris062689> Does Pulse Audio make the music quality sound better, or simply add more control overi t?
[02:35] <ToxinPowe> nice, I only lost my DNS X)
[02:37] <chris062689> lol
[02:37] <chris062689> So you upgraded?
[02:37] <chris062689> I think I'm almost there, it's unpacking everything.
[02:37] <ToxinPowe> yep
[02:39] <chris062689> this is taking forever.
[02:39] <ToxinPowe> yes
[02:59] <NoelJB> Chrononaut: I hope that you've a gutsy to go back to when necessary.  :-)
[03:00] <NoelJB> sorry, wrong chris.
[03:00] <NoelJB> dangers of <tab> completion
[03:03] <ToxinPowe> NoelJB, I have gutsy in other pc :>
[03:04] <ToxinPowe> somebody feel mouse with "warping" ?
[03:04] <NoelJB> AHA!   Alpha 4 is posted!
[03:05] <wastrel> oh no!
[03:08] <NoelJB> ?
[03:17] <snadge> im trying to find some info on the new GVFS code
[03:21] <snadge> "Refrain from operating on valuable files with this version." :P
[03:21] <DanaG> Big annoyance in new gvfs:
[03:21] <DanaG> try copying stuff to a nearly full volume, and then run into a "not enough space" error.
[03:22] <DanaG> Now try to browse the device to free up space.
[03:22] <DanaG> You can't!
[03:22] <DanaG> Any new Nautilus window that opens on the same dir will be blocked by the modal dialog.
[03:25] <DanaG> Oh, gnome-power-manager is what's spinning up my hard drive.
[03:25] <DanaG> That's odd.
[03:26] <snadge> upon further reading i find there seems to be significant negativity towards including gvfs in hardy, since "not all applications will be ported to it in time" and its "lots of new lines of code"
[03:26] <snadge> but thats not what im looking for, i just want to find out the advantages.. apart from some vague reference to supporting policy kit
[03:26] <DanaG> Oh, and pidgin logs, too.
[03:26] <DanaG> Is there a way to make writes to fat32 not be immediate?
[03:27] <snadge> back in the day, hdparm -W would turn write caching on for ide drives
[03:27] <snadge> im not sure if theres a similar thing for scsi/sata devices
[03:28] <KillerFlamingo> can any one help me out with virtualization?
[03:28] <DanaG> Actually, I think it is on, since not every line spins up the drive.
[03:29] <DanaG> I changed the ext3 commit interval to 15 minutes.
[03:29] <DanaG> That lets my hdd spin down and stay down for a while.
[03:30] <DanaG> And when on AC, I just let it stay spun up.
[03:32] <KillerFlamingo> VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED) is the code i keep getting
[03:32] <KillerFlamingo> any ideas
[03:33] <NoelJB> have you tried putting VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED into Google?
[03:33] <DanaG> sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[03:33] <KillerFlamingo> nope thought i'd try here fist
[03:35] <NoelJB> try google.  I found ansswers on the first two hits.
[03:36] <KillerFlamingo> ok thanks
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> i had to use another vm copy i had to get it working... after upgrading to the latest virtualbox
[03:46] <KillerFlamingo> another VM copy?
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> ya i had a backup from a few weeks back
[03:46] <KillerFlamingo> oh i see
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> always pretty simple to do vs full reinstall
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> ya
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> nice to see the alpha 4 is out
[03:58] <KillerFlamingo> thank you for you help
[03:58] <KillerFlamingo> all i needed was a simple permission change
[04:25] <DanaG> Has the gnome-{session,control-center,setting-daemon} breakage been fixed in the repos?
[04:25] <DanaG> Oh, and no changelog for gnome-control center.
[04:26] <DanaG> And no changelog for GCC or CPP or G++.
[04:32] <DreadKnight> anyone tried upgrading kubuntu to alpha4 ?
[04:35] <DanaG> Why is it that hpijs and gcc and g++ and cpp never show changelogs?
[04:43] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, gcc is mostly black magic :)
[04:46] <DanaG> EEek, try to delete stuff in ".Trash-1000"
[04:46] <DanaG> it replicates!
[04:46] <DanaG> WTF?
[04:46] <DanaG> It's like those magic brooms carrying water.
[04:48] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, I do se changelogs over here
[04:48] <DanaG> In update-manager?
[04:48] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:48] <alex_mayorga> yup
[04:48] <DanaG> I never see them.
[04:48] <DanaG> Heh, "libmiracle".
[04:49] <alex_mayorga> almost everything is "- Regenerate the control file." whatever that means :)
[04:49] <alex_mayorga> that better be a really good library :)
[04:50]  * DanaG likes playing stuff to all audio devices.
[04:50] <DanaG> Then you get the odd sound of two mismatched pairs of speakers.
[04:51] <DanaG> I wish I had a networked sink to use.
[04:51] <alex_mayorga> whoot! my battery applet says I have two batteries :S
[04:51] <Gnine> the single best thing i have done for my computer aside hardware upgrades, is to have put ubuntu in it
[04:52] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, so do you recommend the latest 9 updates?
[04:53]  * Gnine still waits for seahorse to work properly among other things 
[04:54] <DanaG> Gaack, suddenly all my firefox tabs are just one favicon wide.  And no text.
[04:55] <Gnine> suddenly ...
[04:55] <alex_mayorga> anyone seeing "double" batteries on Dell laptops?
[04:56] <Gnine> my 8.04 is very stable right now.. i also got no major issues on a tk-53
[04:57] <DanaG> Double batteries are affecting everybody.
[04:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/177570
[04:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177570 in hal "[hardy] two batteries display when left clicking on g-p-m" [Medium,Confirmed]
[04:57]  * Gnine has not seen the double battery issue yet
[04:58] <DanaG> ....and why the heck do I have a "new tab" button if I've told it NOT to have a "new tab" button?
[04:58] <Gnine> am running 64bit version
[04:59] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, thanks, just found it
[04:59] <alex_mayorga> Gnine, what are the pros/cons of the 64bit I have amd 64 x2 over here, but I've been running generic like forever
[05:00] <alex_mayorga> still no 64 bit flash?
[05:00] <Gnine> thats nifty is the double battery measurement is product of bios + battery-bay read out
[05:00] <Gnine> i like it
[05:01] <Gnine> yet i have not seen it on my tk-53
[05:02] <Gnine> flashplugin-nonfree works for x86_64
[05:02] <Gnine> gnash still has some ways to go
[05:05] <alex_mayorga> interesting
[05:05] <alex_mayorga> the bug doesn't seem to relate to the BIOS battery tough
[05:05] <alex_mayorga> seems like someone has already hacked a patch for HAL in SUSE
[05:06] <alex_mayorga> Gnine, so is 64 speedier/spiffier than 386 or generic?
[05:08] <Gnine> a lot of people say it doesnt matter , my personal take is that i rather have 64bit system on a 64bit architecture
[05:08]  * DanaG has merely a Yonah.
[05:10] <Gnine> that being said, my 64bit machine flies with the 64bit kernel as opposed to 32bit windoes vista
[05:10] <Gnine> windows
[05:13] <ethana1> ...iiiis it out yet?
[05:13] <Nille02> ??
[05:13] <ethana1> alpha4 .iso?
[05:14] <Nille02> i think so
[05:14] <ethana1> seriously?
[05:14] <EmmerP> yes
[05:14] <ethana1> i hope so.. checking the page..
[05:14] <ethana1>  /sweet/
[05:14] <Nille02> i have installed the new version for 30 min
[05:15] <Nille02> and he say is up to date so i think its the new version ;)
[05:15] <EmmerP>   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-4/ (Ubuntu)
[05:15] <Gnine> what i do know is that kernel 2.6.24.-5 is out
[05:16] <Nille02> anyone know how to use hardy in vmware with more as 800x600 ?
[05:18] <DanaG> Argh, timidity through pulseaudio dies on lid close.
[05:19] <ethana1> oh hey, is there a changelog for this alpha release?
[05:20]  * Gnine uses pulseaudio with gxine, mplayer, quodlibet and vlc . no issues
[05:20] <ethana1> yup, found it
[05:20] <DanaG> How about timidity?
[05:21] <DanaG> Everything else is fine, but timidity dies.
[05:21] <DanaG> It might not have anything to do with pulseaudio, though.
[05:21] <DanaG> Other things lag for about a quarter of a second on lid close.
[05:22] <DanaG> That is, there'll be a gap and the audio will drop out or loop a sample, and then it'll get back on the right spot.
[05:23] <Gnine> i did get an audio loop bug on an .mp3 file playback but nothing major
[05:23] <Gnine> just a 'hiccup'
[05:24] <Gnine> it was sort of weird. but i havent duplicated it again
[05:24] <DanaG> Perhaps part of it is still due to the scheduler.
[05:25] <DanaG> I run folding@home in the background, niced to +19 and SCHED_IDLEPRIO, which means absolutely everything else should get priority.
[05:25] <DanaG> But it somehow manages to bog down the system .... less severely than previously, but it's still annoying.
[05:26] <DanaG> And I was getting audio dropouts on Pidgin notification sounds.
[05:26] <Gnine> my audio loop bug occurred on my 32bit kernel
[05:27] <Gnine> and only on stored media
[05:27] <DanaG> Stored media?
[05:28] <Gnine> media files on disk
[05:28] <DanaG> I get dropouts on things such as ogg and mp3 in exaile.
[05:28]  * Gnine does not use exaile
[05:29] <Gnine> bug happened after file was done..
[05:31] <Gnine> anyhow i did not file bug report for it was not anything major. that will not survive official release date
[05:50] <bernier> what's the command to go from gutsy to hardy?
[05:50] <bernier> !hardy
[05:50] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[06:00] <EmmerP> anybody using Cheese, webcam / video software?
[06:01] <alex_mayorga> bernier, update-manager -d
[06:16] <DanaG> Gaack, I'm getting audio crackling.
[06:16] <DanaG> Like it'll be musicmusicmusicmusicPOPmusCRACKLEic
[06:18] <underwatercow> is ufw a frontend to iptables?
[06:19] <underwatercow> or is it replacing iptables?
[06:34] <jscinoz> so i hear transmission is the new default bittorrent client?
[06:35] <Nille02> yes :(
[06:35] <jscinoz> why not deluge :(
[06:35] <Nille02> my question ^^
[06:35] <jscinoz> i can understand not choosing azureus as its bloated, but deluge is nice
[06:35] <jscinoz> tranmission is just.. so empty :P
[06:36] <Nille02> maybe because this ^^
[06:36] <Hammer89> anyone have any idea why when I try to run 8.04 Alpha4 from a  liveCD on qemulator it gives me a CLI instead of the normal GUI?
[06:36] <jscinoz> wait i just found out why
[06:37] <jscinoz> deluge crashes easily :P
[06:37] <Nille02> after klick on go to update site ? ^^
[06:39] <Hammer89> guess not =P
[06:48] <FunnyLookinHat> So is there going to be an Alpha 4 release with KDE4??
[06:49] <underwatercow> I like deluge
[06:49] <underwatercow> not entirely stable yet perhaps?
[06:50] <underwatercow> !461834
[06:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 461834 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:51] <DanaG> bug 461834
[06:51] <DanaG> not found.
[06:51] <underwatercow> it's a debian bug I guess
[06:51] <DanaG> debian bug 461834
[06:52] <ubotu> Debian bug 461834 in gnome-art "gnome-art: Gnome-art conflicts with new Ruby 4.1" [Normal,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/461834
[06:52] <underwatercow> oh, I didn't know you could do that
[06:52] <DanaG> gnome bug 461834
[06:52] <underwatercow> lol
[06:52] <ubotu> Gnome bug 461834 in Tasks "crash in Tasks: Forwarding an email" [Critical,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461834
[06:52] <underwatercow> yeah, it was the gnome-art one
[06:52] <underwatercow> can't presently install gnome-art
[06:52] <DanaG> I wish changelogs would just say which bug.
[06:52] <underwatercow> so it's been fixed it says?
[06:54] <underwatercow> will it be updated in Hardy?
[06:55] <underwatercow> DanaG: Do you know how the process works?
[06:55] <greg> hey is anybody else having problems with install kde4-core?
[06:56] <greg> everything was working fine until a couple of days ago
[07:13] <DanaG> I'd imagine the update from Debian will trickle down the pipe, so to speak.
[07:18] <DarkMageZ> DanaG, i think you need to kick linus torval a bit over stuffing up the process priority system.
[07:19] <DanaG> Yeah, the new scheduler seems worse than the old one, to me.
[07:19] <DanaG> I didn't used to get those dropouts in PulseAudio.
[07:19] <DanaG> And I /am/ a member of pulse-rt.
[07:20] <DanaG> bug 177713
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "CFS in 2.6.24 kernel needs cpu_share adjustment for "niced" processes" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713
[07:20] <DanaG> Fix reelased for that part, but not for the other parts.
[07:20] <DanaG> Ubotu should state every assignment and state.
[07:21] <DanaG> And what about the underlying issue?
[07:21] <DanaG> It's wrong to mark something "fix released" if it's only a workaround for one piece of software, and doesn't fix the underlying cause.
[07:23] <Gnine> whinerWhiner Whin"er, n. One who, or that which, whines. [1913 Webster]
[07:23] <DanaG> Oh, and what happened to the radiotap interface that used to be in ipw3945?  iwl3945 doesn't have the same feature.
[07:25] <DarkMageZ> DanaG, it's hacked around in the bonic component. you should add another section for the ubuntu kernel component ?
[07:25] <DarkMageZ> so since it's "fixed" in the bonic component then it's marked as fixed.
[07:30] <rx4> hey
[07:30] <rx4> why no more xorgcfg/xorgconfig?
[07:31] <rx4> they were the only way to get ubuntu running in vmware with a resolution higher than 800x600
[07:31] <rx4> well except writing xorg.conf by hand
[07:31] <DanaG> I've added the assignment and note about linux-source-2.6.24.
[07:31] <rx4> i understand the new xorg7.3 is better at autoconfiguring stuff
[07:31] <rx4> but that doesnt work for the vmware video driver
[07:32] <rx4> really lame, considering how many people run ubuntu in a vm
[07:35] <DarkMageZ> you can still write your video resolutions in xorg.conf
[07:35] <rx4> by hand?
[07:35] <rx4> why would i have to write em by hand
[07:35] <rx4> when i had tools to do that :|
[07:36] <rx4> all i see here is a regression
[07:36]  * crdlb notes that alphas often have regressions
[07:36] <kousotu> anyone know what kernal Hardy runs?
[07:37] <kousotu> krenel*
[07:37] <kousotu> ...
[07:37] <mtaylor> moin
[07:37] <crdlb> haha
[07:37] <kousotu> you get the idea
[07:37] <mtaylor> anybody know where nautilus support for network: urls has run off to in hardy?
[07:37] <rx4> crdlb: im sure final will still have that regression
[07:37] <crdlb> !info linux-generic | kousotu
[07:37] <ubotu> kousotu: linux-generic (source: linux-meta): Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.24.5.6 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[07:38] <crdlb> mtaylor: nautilus just switched to gvfs
[07:38] <mtaylor> crdlb: ah...
[07:38] <crdlb> so the connect to server dialog is currently missing
[07:38] <kousotu> ah..
[07:38] <crdlb> I believe manually entering the correct url into ctrl+L does work though
[07:38] <kousotu> Gutsy runs 2.6.22-14-Gen.
[07:38] <crdlb> although I could be wrong
[07:39] <kousotu> unless it's been updated and mine refuses to find it
[07:39] <kousotu> lol
[07:39] <rx4> we are in 2008 and we still have to change screen resolution with cli. god. some alpha os i tried recently did better (ie, haiku)
[07:39] <crdlb> rx4: I'm glad to hear you're so confident
[07:40] <DarkMageZ> rx4, i've heard osx & xp/vista do it better as well
[07:40] <rx4> sure they do
[07:40] <Gnine> there is the 'screen and graphics' option
[07:40] <rx4> it doesnt work
[07:40] <Gnine> for you
[07:41] <DarkMageZ> it's actually broken
[07:41] <crdlb> (alpha regression again :D)
[07:42] <DarkMageZ> alpha's are fun ?
[07:42] <Gnine> alpha is right. some folks get into the game not knowing the rules i guess
[07:42] <rx4> ive nothing against the cli. in fact, i was happy with xorgcfg -textmode to handle that issue with the vmware video driver. but they removed it from xorg7.3/xserver1.4 because they "think" xorg can now handle that stuff without xorg.conf
[07:42] <rx4> but it cant.
[07:42] <rx4> and im pissed :\
[07:42] <crdlb> it's an alpha, they make mistakes!
[07:42] <crdlb> and they're allowed to
[07:43] <crdlb> you have no right to be upset
[07:43] <rx4> hehe
[07:43] <Gnine> unless you have a better alternative , which you obviously dont
[07:44] <DarkMageZ> i suggest someone disassembles osx's or xp/vista's graphics code and figure out how they're doing an awesome job ?
[07:45] <crdlb> DarkMageZ: manufacturer support
[07:45] <DarkMageZ> disassembling will give us the secrets ?
[07:45] <crdlb> and in the case of apple, they *are* the manufacturer :)
[07:45] <Gnine> you're a mage.. figure it out
[07:45] <DarkMageZ> actually. asus makes the laptops. i'm not sure about the desktops tho.
[07:46] <rx4> we are talking about the vmware video driver here. and 1- the vmware video driver emulates some standard adapter 2- i think they have the specs
[07:47] <DarkMageZ> Gnine, it's called a fireball at each developer who failed to deliver quality code in the release ;p
[07:48] <Gnine> good , wait in gutsy then
[07:51] <DarkMageZ> Gnine, you're obviously new around here. Ubuntu is based off a lot of other people's code. This causes the alphas/betas to reflect the quality of the release. by bitching early, then there's a chance they will get fixed. cause they don't fix stuff after the release.
[07:52] <Gnine> 'bitching'? go to sleep
[07:53] <DarkMageZ> it's only 7pm here
[09:02] <shirish> hi all, I just sudo aptitude update & sudo aptitude full-upgrade but grub2 hasn't come while it has been successfully built about 5 hrs. ago. Why isn't it showing up?
[09:18] <Assid> heya
[09:18] <Assid> is the alpha4 discs out
[09:19] <blayde> i'm thinking yes. the announcement has been made...
[09:21] <Assid> err.. how come we dont have i686 editions ?
[09:22] <Assid> would like to take advantage of the hardware i have
[09:23] <Assid> i mean there is the amd64 edition.. but thats based on the AMD based processors and cpuflags
[09:25] <Gnine> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-4/
[09:25] <Assid> Gnine: yep.. just found that
[09:26] <Assid> i wish tho they got an i686 edition tho
[09:27] <Assid> sucks to have a core2quad and not be able to use its full potential
[09:28] <Assid> quick question
[09:28] <Assid> why isnt LVM/Raid in desktop install disc?
[09:30] <blayde> Assid, not sure but it is in the alternate install disk
[09:31] <Assid> blayde: yeah.. but would be nice to have that in the desktop disc too
[09:31] <DarkMageZ> Assid, i686 isn't even fully optimal for your chip.
[09:31] <blayde> Assid, i would imagine that's something they don't want the 'normal' people worrying about... but don't quote me on that
[09:32] <Assid> maybe have "advanced" and then let people choose their partitions and choose raid/ lvm from there? instead of just ext3 ?
[09:32] <blayde> Assid, ya and it bugs me that you _have_ to format the / dir
[09:33]  * Gnine likes ext3
[09:33] <Assid> im thinking of installing onto an external drive of mine (usb based)
[09:33] <DarkMageZ> ... the desktop install cd is full. no more room. if you want advanced stuff you already have the alternative cd.
[09:34] <Assid> DarkMageZ: im sure modifying the installer a tiny bit like this and a package here and there wont cause too many problems
[09:34] <Assid> perhaps drop a few oddball packages out of the desktop cd instead?
[09:34] <Gnine> :-/
[09:34] <Assid> would be brilliant to have that.. im sure many people would appreciate it to have a nice gui doing what you need
[09:34] <DarkMageZ> extra kernel or 2? 30/60MB...
[09:35] <Assid> err.. hold up.. i need to login to another gateway to get faster speeds.. (*paying per hour)
[09:35] <blayde> wouldn't be perfect but maybe the installer could download special stuff for the advanced users. hmmm
[09:36] <Gnine> so my tk-53 am testing 8.04 on is not advanced enough.. bummer
[09:36] <Assid> DarkMageZ: but i686 would be better than plain ol i386
[09:36] <DarkMageZ> besides, switching your ketnel to i686 really isn't much of a performance improvement. might as well rebuild the entire system with the complete optimizations for your cpu.
[09:37] <DarkMageZ> now that is worth it ?
[09:37] <Gnine> i say, compile it to your machine if you're so worried about ix86 whatever
[09:38] <DarkMageZ> exactly!
[09:38] <Assid> would be on gentoo then
[09:38] <Assid> hehe
[09:38] <Assid> DarkMageZ: not much difference?
[09:39] <DarkMageZ> Assid, you can do an analysis with tools to show a slight difference. but real-life actually using the system. pff.
[09:40] <Gnine> dress up accordingly .. ?  i say go ahead.. on a technicality
[09:40] <DarkMageZ> seriously. if you're gonna worry about your kernel being optimized for your specific cpu. then you seriously should just recompile the whole system with the good optimizations.
[09:41] <DarkMageZ> i'll be back soonish. got some work to do.
[09:41] <Gnine> if i was curious enough i'd do it.. but i run on 64bit alright
[09:42] <Assid> okay so just use the right kernel and i should be ok
[09:42] <Assid> Gnine: what do you have?
[09:42] <Gnine> tk-53 proc
[09:42] <Assid> they should make atleast a c2d based like thy did for amd64
[09:43] <Assid> okay so if im installing on an external usb drive
[09:43] <Assid> what do i choose MBR based?
[09:44] <Assid> for the boot option?
[09:49] <Assid> anyone?!?
[09:49] <Assid> i dont want it messing with my windows setup hence the external drive. whenever i wanna run hardy.. i boot to it
[09:50] <blayde> Assid, im not really sure - grub uses some weird naming scheme... i'd google it...
[09:50] <Assid> didnt understand what to do
[09:51] <blayde> Assid, if you can find a wiki for grub there might be some help with getting the right name
[09:52] <Gnine> sounds too tricky
[09:52] <Gnine> specially on alpha sw
[09:52] <Assid> dont wanna install alpha sw on my main desktop otherwise..
[09:52] <Assid> but it makes a great testing platform
[09:53] <Gnine> you can make a new partition for it .. installing raid on usb? you need some leg work
[09:53] <Assid> nah no raid.. basic ext3
[09:53] <Konstigt> I cannot logout on my hardy install. all panels & icons disappears but then I get 100% cpu usage and the only keys that works are ctrl-alt-del. not even ctrl-f1 works. any clues?
[09:53] <Assid> i just want to hit F8.. get the boot menu.. boot from the external drive
[09:54] <blayde> i installed hardy on a computer at my college w/o grub - i use a floppy disk to get to it
[09:54] <Konstigt> also, on a newly created user, every window I open (nautilus for example) gets placed in the top left corner without any borders.
[09:54] <Assid> the MBR is ON the drive you install right?
[09:55] <blayde> Assid, i think it is the first thing on the first disk...
[09:55] <blayde> Assid, so yes
[09:55] <Gnine> !hardy | Konstigt
[09:55] <ubotu> Konstigt: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[09:55] <Assid> frst disk ? then no..
[09:55] <Konstigt> Gnine: ?
[09:56] <blayde> well if you're booting to the removable disk then it will be the first one
[09:56] <Assid> hrmm
[09:56] <Assid> i could disable my sata drives during install
[09:56] <Assid> make sure the damn thing doesnt touch it
[09:56] <Assid> think of it as windows PE.. just put in the USB .. and boot from it
[09:57] <Assid> that what i wanna do
[09:57] <Gnine> i go blayde style , make a boot floppy for your usb install
[09:57] <Assid> except i have a USB->IDE drive
[09:57] <Assid> dont have a floppy drive
[09:57] <Assid> dont even want one of those ugly things.. to much failure rate
[09:57] <blayde> ya - i wouldn't mess with grub on a removable disk...
[09:58] <blayde> i forget what it is called but there is a nice floppy bootloader somewhere
[09:58] <DarkMageZ> Konstigt, your second problem sounds like a composition problem. have you tried turning off compiz-fusion?
[09:59] <Gnine> i think its more than that going on
[09:59] <Gnine> but 'i think' is a lame answer anyway
[10:00] <Konstigt> DarkMageZ: my laptop has an ati x1600 so I don't have the composite extension. also, in appearance, desktop effects is set to none.
[10:00] <blayde> Assid, also - im not totally for sure but i don't think ubuntu has the right stuff in the initramfs to do usb stuff :/
[10:01] <Assid> i think it just might
[10:01] <Konstigt> DarkMageZ: but I got the problem after removing my user and creating it again so I'm with the default settings.
[10:01] <Assid> im gonna give it a whirl as soon as the disc finishes
[10:01] <DarkMageZ> Konstigt, as the user with the border problem could you throw into a terminal "metacity --replace"
[10:02] <blayde> Assid, good luck then - i'm gonna go get some sleep now
[10:02] <Assid> l8z m8
[10:02] <Assid> Konstigt: i got compiz running on radeon 9000 mobility.. a super old dell d600
[10:03] <DarkMageZ> Assid, radeon 9000 mobility is covered by xorg's ati yes?. neither xorg ati nor fglrx are working with composition on x1600 yet.
[10:04] <DarkMageZ> fglrx works with xorg server 1.3 branch but not 1.4 (which is what hardy runs)
[10:04] <DarkMageZ> fglrx's composition works*
[10:04] <Assid> i wonder how well the nvidia 8600gts would work
[10:06] <DarkMageZ> i lack nvidia cards, so i don't absorb information about their status ?
[10:06] <Assid> fair enough
[10:07] <Assid> 1 thing i did notice on my laptop however.. even tho avant is running when i shut down.. it never starts up next time on login.. i have to start it up again myself
[10:07] <Assid> which file do i edit to have it run automatically after compiz boots up
[10:08] <Assid> hrmm 50% done.. 1/2 hr to go
[10:08] <DarkMageZ> Assid, iirc. system > preferences > sessions.
[10:09] <Gnine> at least is not ati
[10:09] <Assid> Gnine: ?
[10:10] <DarkMageZ> Konstigt, how did  "metacity --replace" go?
[10:10] <Assid> my lappy is on ati.. desktop .. im gonna install on nvidia
[10:10] <Gnine> ati cards. lots of issues
[10:10] <Assid> alpha4 boots a bit quicker i think
[10:10] <Gnine> i run nvidia
[10:10] <Assid> the login is still slow
[10:11] <Assid> oh the fun part is i have to use a DVD cause this stupid rom doesnt read/write to cd's
[10:11] <Assid> lol
[10:12] <Gnine> good for you, entertainment tonight
[10:12] <Assid> entertainment ?
[10:12] <Gnine> you dont like dvd's?
[10:13] <DarkMageZ> cd's are cheaper to waste and smaller to download ?
[10:13] <Assid> yes
[10:13] <Gnine> i guess it depends on what latitude you are
[10:14] <Assid> err.. thats on my desktop
[10:14] <Assid> my lappy doesnt have a dvdrom
[10:15] <Konstigt> DarkMageZ: just did it and it worked out nicely. I just need to figure out why for example it took 2 minutes after login for NetworkManager-applet to appear and why it freezes on logouts.
[10:16] <DarkMageZ> Konstigt, odd. so metacity isn't loading properly on login with a new user account... i think it's time for a fresh install of ubuntu.
[10:17] <Gnine> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-4/
[10:17] <Gnine> if you want to try that  ^^
[10:17] <Assid> okay.. i tried running avant.. and then saving the session.. didnt help
[10:21] <Assid> Gnine: me ??
[10:21] <Assid> err.. i need to make sure to have avant AFTER compiz.. the session preferances doesntlet me do that
[10:21] <Konstigt> DarkMageZ: guess so because on this computer i'm writing on right now I also have hardy but none of these problems
[10:21] <Assid> i dont see aant in there
[10:22] <DarkMageZ> Konstigt, if the problems do persist after a format then i believe it's gonna be some nasty problem which will be no fun to track :(
[10:23] <Konstigt> I've had the install since Feisty Alpha and apt-upgraded it ever since so there are probably quite a few hacks lying around :)
[10:27] <DarkMageZ> oh. that explains a lot :p
[10:27] <Gnine> not
[10:28] <Gnine> i've apt upgraded since feisty without any of that jambalaya
[10:30] <Assid> woohoo 10 odd mins and i will have the disc
[10:30] <Assid> or rather the iso
[10:30] <niekie> Anyone know how to make a LUKS LVM be unencrypted again?
[10:30] <niekie> Other than format and reinstall?
[10:35] <DarkMageZ> Gnine, doing upgrades like that can sometimes result in some interesting breakages. also, please try and contribute positively.
[10:37] <DarkMageZ> especially if they've been having "fun" with their system
[10:38] <Assid> err
[10:38] <Assid> anyone wanan suggest me a good 20" LCD
[10:39] <DarkMageZ> the main factors to watch for is the latency & the warranty. tho some brands are just better than others ?
[10:40] <Assid> 22" is like 100$ more expensive
[10:40] <Assid> doesnt justify 2 inches
[10:40] <DarkMageZ> latency/response time
[10:41] <Assid> Response Time  	5ms white-black-white (typ); 8ms gray-to-gray (avg)
[10:41] <Assid> is that bad?
[10:41] <Assid> they arent TN based
[10:42] <DarkMageZ> 8ms will do
[10:42] <Assid> the TN based are supposedly quicker
[10:42] <nanonyme> erm, isn't it that 8ms will do for gaming? :)
[10:42] <nanonyme> you don't really need that much normally
[10:42] <DarkMageZ> i was reading about some technology that was gonna provide 2ms.
[10:42] <Assid> err.. im gonna be gaming on it
[10:43] <nanonyme> ah
[10:43] <DarkMageZ> yeah. 8ms will do for the adverage gamer.
[10:43] <DarkMageZ> a friend of mine plays on one of the older 30" apple screens. i think it's got a 30ms response time as well =D
[10:43] <Assid> i plan to play games like crysis and stuff
[10:44] <Assid> the TN based are much quicker.. like 2ms gray to gray
[10:44] <DarkMageZ> Assid, can you pick the difference between 50fps vs 60fps?
[10:44] <ethana3> on alpha 4..
[10:44] <ethana3> colemak is still messed up
[10:44] <Assid> probably could.. i feel the flicker on LCD if  its 72hz vs 75hz
[10:44] <ethana3> Caps lock can do lots of things.. try 'off'
[10:45] <Assid> on CRT's i cant stand less than 85hz
[10:45] <DarkMageZ> Assid, hmm. you "might" notice 8ms.
[10:45] <Assid> crap
[10:45] <DarkMageZ> most people can't, but i think you're one of the few who can.
[10:45] <Davo_Dinkum> Close your eyes and you won't notice it at all.
[10:45] <Assid> its $100 difference between 20" and 22"
[10:46] <BUGabundo> g'morning
[10:46] <BUGabundo> how should/can I use grandr ?
[10:46] <BUGabundo> displayconfig-gtk won't work on hardy....
[10:46] <BUGabundo> :(
[10:46] <ethana3> it got the idea my CRT was WIDESCREEN
[10:47] <ethana3> dang caps
[10:47] <ethana3> i wish they
[10:47] <Assid> DarkMageZ: if i sit on 75hz too long compared to 85hz.. i start getting a headache
[10:47] <ethana3> 'd turn that off.. that's my BACKSCPacdangit
[10:47] <ethana3> growl.
[10:47] <ethana3> if i just make no typos
[10:47] <ethana3> or use the old backspace..
[10:47] <ethana3> so far away..
[10:48] <BUGabundo> I loved displayconfig-gtk back on gutsy
[10:48] <Assid> i hope hes got the 2035 viewsonic
[10:48] <ethana3> yeah, caps lock-- needs an off
[10:48] <BUGabundo> but on hardy it won't work with the new X
[10:48] <DarkMageZ> Assid, yeah. you sound like the type who might notice. you might wanna see if any of your friends have a 8ms response lcd and see if you're fine with it.
[10:48] <BUGabundo> and the missing xorg.conf
[10:48] <DarkMageZ> i'll be back later. more work.
[10:48] <ethana3> i need dual seat
[10:48] <Assid> no one i know does.. thats the problem
[10:48] <ethana3> so.. i can still use an xorg.conf, RIGHdangit
[10:48] <ethana3> this will drive me insane
[10:48] <BUGabundo> I have it too
[10:48] <BUGabundo> but a minimalist version
[10:49] <BUGabundo> with keyboard and mouse
[10:49] <Assid> you know those samsung lcds' 749 or something like that 17" 4:3 .. i used it for 3 days.. gave it back
[10:49] <Assid> too sucky
[10:49] <BUGabundo> so I can use the touchpad scroll
[10:49] <BUGabundo> if I try to use an older version of xorg.conf (from gutsy) X won't start
[10:49] <ethana3> ohhhhhh
[10:49] <ethana3> uh oh
[10:50] <ethana3> well, that's why i haven't installed it yet
[10:50] <ethana3> ...as long as it's an /even/ NUMBER OF
[10:50] <ethana3> gahh
[10:50] <Assid> err brb
[10:50] <ethana3> characters i ERA
[10:50] <ethana3> ok, i'm going insane now
[10:50] <BUGabundo> can you try grandr on gutsy?
[10:50] <ethana3> who else here types using colemak?
[10:51] <BUGabundo> on my hardy it crashs when I click the monitor icon
[10:51] <Assid> k
[10:51] <Assid> DarkMageZ: so what think you?
[10:52] <Assid> if it was only 50 bucks difference between 20" and 22" id say ok.. but 100$ is a fair price for that difference
[10:53] <DarkMageZ> Assid, i think 8ms may be just a little too high for you. but without proper testing. i can't say for sure. does the 22" have a lower response time?
[10:53] <Assid> yes
[10:53] <DarkMageZ> go for the 22" then
[10:54] <Assid> Response Time  	5ms (typ)
[10:54] <Assid> thats all it says
[10:54] <BUGabundo> that's on gray... not colours
[10:55] <BUGabundo> the REAL Resp.Time got to be on those monitors 16 or 20 ms
[10:55] <ethana3> who handles keyboard/inpuT STUFF?
[10:55] <ethana3> gahh
[10:57] <DarkMageZ> Assid, you might wanna see if you can get more specific details out of them.
[10:57] <Assid> http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/xseries/vx2235wm/#specs
[10:58] <Assid> http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/xseries/vx2035wm/#specs
[10:58] <ethana3> on the topic of monitors, ignorE RANDOM C
[10:58] <ethana3> oh no
[10:58] <ethana3> i can't even hold it down
[10:58] <BUGabundo> sure
[10:58] <BUGabundo> the manufacturs don't want you to...
[10:58] <ethana3> how do we report bugs?
[10:58] <ethana3> please tell me
[10:58] <BUGabundo> go to launchpad.net
[10:58] <ethana3> ok
[10:59] <BUGabundo> agains what, ethana3?
[10:59] <BUGabundo> ubuntu?
[10:59] <ethana3> yes
[10:59] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[10:59] <ethana3> this alpha
[10:59] <ethana3> ok
[10:59] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[10:59] <DarkMageZ> Assid, yeah. they're dodging details for some reason. odd.
[10:59] <ethana3> thanks
[11:01] <innertruth> how you can undelete files from ext3 partition?
[11:02] <void^> you cannot
[11:04] <BUGabundo> you can
[11:04] <BUGabundo> its hard
[11:04] <BUGabundo> but you can recover most files
[11:04] <BUGabundo> search for foremost and photorec
[11:06] <porkpie> hi guy's I have tried to join #ubuntu but it seems to be broken  :S
[11:07] <innertruth> BUGabundo: thanks ill try that
[11:07] <BUGabundo> let me try porkpie
[11:08] <BUGabundo> its there porkpie
[11:08] <BUGabundo> just do /j #ubuntu
[11:08] <innertruth> i was hoping for restoring file table, but its not the case for ext3, it seems
[11:10] <ethana3> so i can still use xorg.conf right?
[11:11] <ethana3> i just don't have to?
[11:12] <ethana3> filed bug on colemak keyboard layout
[11:12] <ethana3> i should have done that with the last alpha
[11:12] <ethana3> hey, i can do dual-seat with this, right?
[11:12] <ethana3> that's what i need
[11:12] <ethana3> got all the hardware here
[11:12] <ethana3> two gpus
[11:13] <innertruth> this bug wiped my data during install https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-target/+bug/186711
[11:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186711 in partman-target "The installer needs to remove operating system files from the install target, but was unable to do so. The install cannot continue" [Undecided,Fix released]
[11:14] <innertruth> last comment
[11:17] <ethana3> is therE A way to uniquely identify a CRT over VGA?
[11:17] <ethana3> like, this is a gateway VX900-- can xorg tell?
[11:22] <innertruth> i think it was possible since monitores became PnP, but now also exists DCC, EDID protocols
[11:22] <Assid> i think i will pick this one up
[11:22] <Assid> http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/xseries/vx2035wm/#specs
[11:23] <innertruth> mine is vx2025wm
[11:23] <Assid> innertruth: you like it?
[11:24] <Assid> do you do any gaming?
[11:24] <innertruth> i never was able to recommend hardware cuz i think all hardware is broken. for example this monitor have broken EDID out of the box with max resolution set to 1680x1680
[11:25] <innertruth> yes i was gamer
[11:25] <Assid> innertruth: did you ever run into ghosting or anything
[11:25] <Assid> 1680x1680 ? isnt that nuts?!?!
[11:25] <Assid> dont you mean 1680x1050 ?
[11:26] <innertruth> and, this monitor report it is support 75 Hz, and if OS tried to set that, i got "out of range error" in ubuntu installation, i was required to boot from live cd to manually fix xorg.conf to this monitor to work
[11:27] <ethana3> do we have graphical revert yet?
[11:27] <Assid> umm i thought 1680x1050 is @ 60hz only
[11:27] <innertruth> Assid: manual says 75 hz is supported
[11:27] <innertruth> and it works over vga but not over dvi
[11:28] <Assid> manual is messed up.. i dont think any of these budget series can do 75hz with that resolution
[11:28] <Assid> err.. isnt dvi > vga!?!
[11:28] <Assid> innertruth: 75hz using vga works?
[11:28] <innertruth> yes
[11:28] <Assid> umm messed up
[11:28] <Assid> i dont know what to say
[11:28] <BUGabundo> Assid: DVI is better then VGA
[11:29] <Assid> so do you use the dvi or vga now ?
[11:29] <Assid> innertruth: but do tyou like the monitor otherwise?
[11:29] <innertruth> well i have another problem, 169.09 driver killed EDID of dvi interface, i spent 2 days to flash monitor, was able to recover dvi
[11:30] <Assid> and do you run into ghosting or anything?
[11:30] <innertruth> yes small ghosting exist, just like with all 16ms monitors i think
[11:30] <Assid> crap
[11:30] <innertruth> but that monitor was recommended for gamers on anandtech forum
[11:30] <innertruth> and generally i like it
[11:30] <Assid> how long ago?
[11:31] <innertruth> years ago
[11:31] <innertruth> year
[11:31] <Assid> well.. im buying one right now
[11:31] <Assid> im just baffled on what
[11:31] <Assid> theres 100$ difference between 20 and 22"
[11:31] <Assid> thats the problem
[11:32] <innertruth> another problem i was not able to set 1280x800 resolution under XP, monitor was not supported it. you need that resolution, if you dont own 8800 gtx to play at full resolution latest games
[11:32] <innertruth> but this is fixed by custom resolutions in nvidia driver
[11:33] <innertruth> and in ubuntu 1280x800 works too
[11:33] <Assid> so you think i should go for the 22035 ?
[11:33] <Assid> err 2035 ?
[11:34] <innertruth> and that monitor dosent support fixed aspect scaling, so if you play games in non widescreen resolution, 1024x768 will have incorrect proportions, if your video card not support fixing apect ratio
[11:35] <innertruth> nvidia had a bug in their driver for over a year i was not able to use fixed aspect ratio
[11:35] <innertruth> in windows xp
[11:36] <Assid> they say the 2025 is better than the 2035
[11:36] <Assid> jhrmm
[11:37] <innertruth> and, last comment. 60 hz over vga is blurred, and 75 hz have artefacts. use only dvi, but it may be corrupted. so like i said all hardware is broken
[11:38] <Assid> http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1745344&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=170&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
[11:38] <Assid> I would definitely recommend the 2025 over the 2035 (the 2025 uses a P-MVA and the 2035 a TN). The 2235 is also a TN, I'd also recommend the 2025 over that.
[11:38] <Assid> 2025 recommended over 2035
[11:38] <Assid> innertruth: do you have any suggesttions?
[11:39] <innertruth> no
[11:39] <gribelu> TN sucks.. color banding
[11:39] <Assid> color banding?
[11:40] <Assid> ok so im outta ideas
[11:40] <Assid> and i have to leave right now if i plan to reach there in time and back
[11:57] <afflux> firefox has some nice rendering issues: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4854/debdiffiuf4.png vs. http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6844/debdiffifixedse0.png - especially note the words "debdiff" and "fix"
[12:33] <rsk> so it's out? alpha4
[12:34] <atlef> do i ned to upgade my xubuntu daily build or is it enough to keep it up to date
[12:35] <atlef> *need
[12:42] <imaginal> See what you started?
[12:42] <imaginal> Does anyone in here code for a living? Did you go to school?
 !offtopic | imaginal
[12:42] <Dr_willis> :) what sort of answer are you really expecting anyway?
[12:42] <imaginal> hrm...
[12:42] <Dr_willis> No i dont.. and Yes I did go to school...
[12:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:43] <imaginal> I was directed here from #ubuntu...
[12:43] <Dr_willis> They told you it was an Offtopic sort of question and pasted the generic offtopic factoid.
[12:43] <imaginal> I wish to hear from people who actually program for a living
[12:44] <imaginal> Dr_willis: so I wasn't supposed to listen to which channel to ask in?
[12:44] <Dr_willis> reread that factoid..  the last part.
[12:44] <Dr_willis> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[12:45] <imaginal> Ah... well played. I'm afraid to repeat this in channel 3
[12:48] <rsk> i code for a living
[12:49] <rsk> and i didn't go to school
[12:49] <Dr_willis> not even kindergarten!
[12:50] <imaginal> Thank you rsk. I appreciate your response. I'm sorry this found its way to the wrong channel.
[12:56] <Assid> okay.. i went there.. i was suggested to go for viewsonic
[12:56] <Assid> err benq
[13:13] <snadge> i booted into a4.. theres smoke coming out of my power supply. should i shut down?
[13:14] <lemonade> ummm... maybe? ;)
[13:14] <snadge> apart from that.. everything is working great :D very impressed
[13:15] <flipstar> lol
[13:15] <lemonade> hehe, it's the new compiz-fusion smoke-plugin ;)
[13:15] <rsk> ye
[13:15] <rsk> briging interactions to a whole new level
[13:16] <snadge> i've actually booted into the livecd.. and am able to stream videos/mp3s off samba shares (after installing codecs) .. impressive
[13:17] <Assid> i didnt see no smoke plugin
[13:17] <snadge> i havnt been able to find much information about the new GVFS
[13:17] <Assid> okay.. im gonna try and install on this external drive
[13:17] <Assid> wish me luck
[13:17] <ToxinPowe> ey, I set my DNS in Network seccion, but I lost them when reboot, why?
[13:18] <flipstar> you probably used the wrong file ToxinPowe
[13:18] <ToxinPowe> not files, Network seccion
[13:18] <snadge> i want to know why gnome-vfs is being replaced with gvfs
[13:18] <flipstar> ToxinPowe: try add your dns in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[13:19] <ToxinPowe> ok
[13:19] <bardyr> does anybody know when linux-image-2.6.24-6 is coming down the pipe?
[13:20] <snadge> never mind.. google finally answered the question
[13:20] <snadge> it means finally you can browse network shares on linux, without having to mess around with mounting/unmounting for legacy applications.. excellent :)
[13:40] <SpaceAviator> How can I speed up kubuntu hardy?
[13:41] <flipstar> you could give gpowertweak a try
[13:42] <SpaceAviator> aye aye captain
[13:44] <SpaceAviator> flipstar: what does it do anyways?
[13:45] <flipstar> !info powertweak hardy
[13:45] <ubotu> powertweak (source: powertweak): Tool to tune system for optimal performance. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.5-18build1 (hardy), package size 7 kB, installed size 36 kB
[13:45] <SpaceAviator> all right I got it installed
[13:45] <SpaceAviator> it started
[13:45] <SpaceAviator> now what do I do?
[13:45] <flipstar> just go trough the options.. i dont know what you want to tweak
[13:45] <snadge> will network:// be fixed in the next hardy alpha.. whats the go with that?
[13:46] <SpaceAviator> what options? it doesnt give me anything
[13:46] <snadge> fsck kde ;)
[13:47] <flipstar> SpaceAviator: i thing you have to run as root like kdesu gpowertweak
[13:47] <innertruth> SpaceAviator: must be a bug, i'm sure it should contain one big button called "enable maximum performance"
[13:47] <SpaceAviator> innertruth: nothing at all mate
[13:47] <SpaceAviator> flipstar: its powertweak-gtk now
[13:47] <SpaceAviator> and runs by powertweakd
[13:48] <SpaceAviator> omg
[13:48] <SpaceAviator> sorry
[13:48] <SpaceAviator> it runs wait
[13:50] <flipstar> hm seems like he hit the wrong button ..
[13:51] <snadge> nobody wants to talk about gvfs :(
[14:04] <bardyr> snadge, gvfs is in the middle of the merge/migrate period until its finish somethings wont work
[14:09] <Emme_NK> Hi!
[14:10] <Emme_NK> I just went from gutsy to hardy, now my keyboard does no longer work...
[14:10] <Emme_NK> whenever I hit a key, just the title bar flashes
[14:11] <bardyr> Emme_NK, do you use the correct keyboard layout and what kind of keyboard is it?
[14:11] <Emme_NK> German
[14:11] <Emme_NK> an USB keyboard
[14:11] <Emme_NK> I just kept a key holding....
[14:11] <Emme_NK> and after ca. 1 second it starts to work
[14:11] <Emme_NK> very strange
[14:12] <Emme_NK> so to type something I now have to keep every key hit for ca. 1 second and release it quickly oO
[14:13] <Emme_NK> using "xev", I see that the keyPress event is generated after this second, probably when autorepeat kicks in
[14:14] <Emme_NK> on the login screen, it worked fine.
[14:14] <Emme_NK> argh, somehow the upgrade enabled some accessibility feature.... "Only accept long keypresses"
[14:15] <Emme_NK> now it seems to work normally
[14:29] <UrbanFlash> hi guys
[14:30] <stefano_> hi
[14:30] <UrbanFlash> the nvidia-glx-new driver refuses to load on my newly updated hardy
[14:30] <stefano_> file a bug report then
[14:30] <stefano_> detailed
[14:31] <UrbanFlash> first i wanted to check for any common knowledge issue
[14:31] <afflux> that's definetly better, yes
[14:31] <flipstar> then try launchpad ;)
[14:31] <UrbanFlash> it seems i have to
[14:31] <afflux> UrbanFlash: -glx-new works fine for me, does it give any useful information in syslog or Xorg.0.log?
[14:31] <flipstar> im using the binary driver from nvidia website..
[14:32] <UrbanFlash> it says the kernel module is incompatible
[14:32] <UrbanFlash> but only sometimes
[14:32] <afflux> are you running 2.6.24-5?
[14:33] <UrbanFlash> -rt, yep
[14:33] <afflux> hm, -rt might be the problem
[14:33] <willie_> just tried to install Hardy Alpha 4  - clean install over freshly formatted ext3 partitions with /usr and /var pointing to clean LVM ext3 partitions   --- failed installing the base partition
[14:33] <willie_> any hints?
[14:33] <willie_> reroduced this twice btw -- Sempron26000 and 1Gb RAM
[14:34] <willie_> err Semperon 2600
[14:34] <flipstar> haha sempron 26000 would be great
[14:34] <afflux> UrbanFlash: could you please pastebin "modinfo nvidia_new"?
[14:35] <willie_> flipstar: yeah - we can but  dream
[14:35] <willie_> I verified the CD before I started so it wasnt that
[14:35] <flipstar> no its probably your raid..
[14:35] <UrbanFlash> link for a bin plz?
[14:36] <flipstar> !pastebin | UrbanFlash
[14:36] <ubotu> UrbanFlash: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[14:36] <UrbanFlash> thx
[14:36] <UrbanFlash> afflux, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54474/
[14:36] <innertruth> willie_: !hardy
[14:36] <innertruth> mm
[14:36] <innertruth> !hardy
[14:36] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:37] <BUGabundo> hehe
[14:37] <BUGabundo> the bot is at lunch
[14:37] <BUGabundo> lololol
[14:38] <willie_> err -- I thought I was in #ubuntu+1
[14:39] <stefano_> you are
[14:39] <stefano_> :>
[14:39] <BUGabundo> you are, willie_
[14:39] <innertruth> lololol i just discovered this IS ubuntu+1
[14:39] <stefano_> :>
[14:39] <flipstar> haha
[14:39] <BUGabundo> hen innertruth
[14:39] <BUGabundo> ?!?!
[14:39] <willie_> and Im expecting to find problems - just hoped I might get a little further bbefore I found them :-)
[14:39] <innertruth> willie_: hardy installer wiped my data
[14:40] <BUGabundo> hummd
[14:40] <BUGabundo> did It or did YOU?
[14:40] <innertruth> it
[14:40] <willie_> innertruth: I'd demand my money back then
[14:40] <BUGabundo> did you check the proper options?
[14:40] <BUGabundo> or did you select to wipe your disk?
[14:40] <willie_> define proper options
[14:40] <bardyr> format drives options?
[14:40] <afflux> UrbanFlash: what's your version of linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-5-rt ?
[14:41] <willie_> ah right correct partitioning config for your own particular situation
[14:41] <BUGabundo> I have installed hundreds os machines (even with betas) and never had that happen to me
[14:41] <willie_> dozens for me and I havent accidently wiped /home for some years now
[14:41] <UrbanFlash> afflux, Version: 2.6.24.6-5.16
[14:41] <willie_> once was enough :-(
[14:42] <innertruth> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-target/+bug/186711
[14:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186711 in partman-target "The installer needs to remove operating system files from the install target, but was unable to do so. The install cannot continue" [Undecided,Fix released]
[14:42] <UrbanFlash> it should contain the correct nvidia-kernel which is 169.09
[14:43] <afflux> UrbanFlash: nvidia-glx-new 169.09+2.6.24.6-5.16?
[14:43] <UrbanFlash> Version: 169.09+2.6.24.6-5.16
[14:43] <afflux> UrbanFlash: hm, that looks good
[14:44] <UrbanFlash> that's what i thought
[14:44] <UrbanFlash> but still, it won't load
[14:44] <UrbanFlash> i tried reconfiguring xorg.conf
[14:44] <UrbanFlash> and deleted it for a test
[14:44] <afflux> lsmod | grep nvidia
[14:44] <UrbanFlash> and everything works with nv
[14:44] <UrbanFlash> isn't runngin
[14:45] <UrbanFlash> hoellp@scotty:~$ sudo modprobe nvidia
[14:45] <UrbanFlash> Not loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:45] <afflux> well, that sounds like an error
[14:45] <UrbanFlash> but it doesn't show up when i add nvidia to xorg.conf
[14:45] <UrbanFlash> just now, because i use nv
[14:46] <afflux> ah, I see
[14:46] <UrbanFlash> i could load nvidia normally
[14:46] <UrbanFlash> mom
[14:46] <afflux> UrbanFlash: did you have nvidia-glx installed before?
[14:46] <UrbanFlash> i kill X and give you the correct error
[14:46] <UrbanFlash> yep
[14:46] <UrbanFlash> normally and with envy
[14:46] <UrbanFlash> but i purged everything
[14:46] <UrbanFlash> before the upgrade...
[14:47] <UrbanFlash> i had this error before, but usually it was solvable with un- and reinstalling everything
[14:47] <afflux> UrbanFlash: I guess that's a problem then, because lrm-video loads the wrong module
[14:48] <UrbanFlash> hmm
[14:48] <afflux> UrbanFlash: could you try setting driver "nvidia" in Xorg.conf and running sudo modprobe -v nvidia
[14:48] <UrbanFlash> can i debug lrm-video somehow?
[14:48] <UrbanFlash> sure
[14:48] <UrbanFlash> i'll join again via irssi
[14:50] <UrbanFlash> re
[14:50] <afflux> wb
[14:51] <afflux> UrbanFlash: did modprobe give you anything?
[14:51] <UrbanFlash> afflux: it says: install /sbin/lrm-video nvidia
[14:51] <afflux> UrbanFlash: hm, alright. sudo bash -x /sbin/lrm-video nvidia
[14:52] <UrbanFlash> ok
[14:53] <UrbanFlash> that's a bit much
[14:53] <UrbanFlash> for my bash skills ;)
[14:53] <UrbanFlash> any specific detail you're looking for?
[14:53] <afflux> UrbanFlash: If you have "pastebinit" installed, you can pastebin that via: sudo bash -x /sbin/lrm-video nvidia | pastebinit -i -
[14:54] <UrbanFlash> not yet, but soon
[14:54] <afflux> UrbanFlash: oh. Surprisingly, pastebinit currently doesn't work for me.
[14:55] <afflux> UrbanFlash: anyway, important is the line beginning with "+ modprobe"
[14:55] <UrbanFlash> me too, it seems
[14:55] <afflux> UrbanFlash: what does it read?
[14:55] <UrbanFlash> mom
[14:56] <UrbanFlash> modprobe --ignore-install -Qb nvidia_new
[14:57] <afflux> UrbanFlash: that looks good. is nvidia_new loaded? (lsmod)
[14:57] <UrbanFlash> lsmod |grep nv : nothing
[14:57] <afflux> uh
[14:58] <afflux> sudo modprobe --ignore-install nvidia_new
[14:58] <UrbanFlash> now it's running
[14:58] <UrbanFlash> i'll try x
[14:58] <afflux> okay
[14:59] <UrbanFlash> much better
[14:59] <UrbanFlash> resolution and virtual size is crap, but the driver works
[14:59] <UrbanFlash> i think i'll redo my xorg.conf
[14:59] <UrbanFlash> the gui tools tend to mess things up with modelines...
[15:00] <afflux> good luck. I wonder why the lrm-video command didn't insert nvidia_new
[15:00] <UrbanFlash> me too
[15:00] <UrbanFlash> but i doubt this is permanent now
[15:02] <UrbanFlash> thanks for the great help afflux
[15:02] <afflux> UrbanFlash: could you please do: grep -Hr 'blacklist.nvidia' /etc/modprobe.d
[15:05] <UrbanFlash> nvidia_new is there
[15:05] <UrbanFlash> in blacklist-restricted
[15:08] <UrbanFlash> could i just delete the blacklist entry?
[15:08] <UrbanFlash> or is that unwise?
[15:09] <afflux> I think that's a good idea
[15:09] <afflux> that could be a leftover from envy
[15:09] <afflux> UrbanFlash: ^, sorry for delay
[15:10] <UrbanFlash> no problem
[15:10] <UrbanFlash> i think this is very likely, as it dates about a week back
[15:10] <UrbanFlash> that was the last time i messed with envy on gutsy
[15:11] <afflux> UrbanFlash: Envy is evil, at least for those who get the bug-reports.. poor ubuntu-devs ;)
[15:11] <UrbanFlash> it was the first time i used it
[15:12] <UrbanFlash> for i hoped my vent would get quieter
[15:13] <UrbanFlash> thanks for the help again i'm off for reboot
[15:13] <afflux> you're welcome
[15:24] <porkpie> guy, anyone here use pptpd
[15:24] <porkpie> I have a problem with the ip address allocation ...
[15:24] <porkpie> Doesn't seem to want to allocate the correct  ip addresses
[15:32] <oskude> how do i show all bugs in a specific package ? (with launchpad)
[15:34] <oskude> forget that one...
[15:37] <Oli```> In firefox (v3b2) type "fi" in either the search or address bar. Does it show up as "ffl" for you too?
[15:39] <Orfeous> hello :)
[15:40] <flipstar> Oli```: no..
[15:40] <Orfeous> trying to get latest nvidia-drivers to work with hardy and latest kernel 2.4.24-5
[15:40] <Orfeous> but with no success :D
[15:40] <Orfeous> tried both envy and nvidia installer
[15:40] <mgunes> why do we not have Xubuntu images for this alpha?
[15:41] <flipstar> Orfeous: with latest you mean 165.33.09 ?
[15:41] <Orfeous> flipstar: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.09-pkg1.run
[15:42] <Orfeous> flipstar: i had it up and working with previously version of kernel and nvidia
[15:42] <Orfeous> but its not working when i updated kernel.
[15:42] <flipstar> errm i mean 171.05
[15:42] <Orfeous> when i boot computer i got to the console login nothing more
[15:43] <Orfeous> and then i need to tell xorg.conf to use driver "nv" to get X working.. without 3d and it feeeeel soooo slooooow :D
[15:43] <flipstar> whats the error message when you try to start X ?
[15:45] <alex_mayorga> what's now the "official way" to configure compiz?
[15:45] <flipstar> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[15:46] <alex_mayorga> flipstar, thank you
[15:46] <flipstar> np
[15:47] <Orfeous> flipstar: X is staring automaticlly with KDM
 when i boot computer i got to the console login nothing more
[15:48] <flipstar> quote 6 minutes ago
[15:48] <Orfeous> the error for X is that it couldnt find a kernel module
[15:50] <alex_mayorga> flipstar, I've read what you provided, but I'm more looking for a GUI to configure, I've got the effects turned on in Appearance
[15:52] <flipstar> alex_mayorga: check ccsm the compize settings manager
[15:53] <flipstar> Orfeous: envy probably added the nvidia driver in the blacklist try grep -Hr 'blacklist.nvidia' /etc/modprobe.d
[15:56] <Orfeous> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer:blacklist nvidiafb
[15:56] <Orfeous> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-restricted:blacklist nvidia
[15:57] <flipstar> first is the framebuffer but you probably know that
[16:01] <Orfeous> yes i know
[16:01] <Orfeous> flipstar: any suggestion what to try?
[16:01] <flipstar> delete that entry
[16:02] <flipstar> not the fb of course
[16:02] <Orfeous> ok, then reboot?
[16:03] <flipstar> maybe restart X will be enough but im not sure
[16:04] <Orfeous> i will try.. brb..
[16:04] <alex_mayorga> flipstar, compizconfig-settings-manager seems to be it, right
[16:05] <flipstar> themes can be edited and changed in emerald-theme-manager if you use emerald like i do ;)
[16:06] <alex_mayorga> I use whatever is turned by default on the Settings->Preferences-Apearance
[16:07] <alex_mayorga> I used GL Desktop in the past, but that is giving me errors now
[16:10] <porkpie> guy's how do I rotate the syslog  .....
[16:10] <porkpie> do I need to install logrotate ???
[16:11] <flipstar> im out byebye
[16:11] <alex_mayorga> bye and thanks
[16:16] <Orfeous> back again..
[16:16] <Orfeous> it didnt helped to remove that blacklist line
[16:20] <Orfeous> my card is supported by driver if i check on nvidias page..
[16:22] <Orfeous> my logfile..
[16:23] <Orfeous> http://umea3.mine.nu/~anton/test.log
[16:30] <Orfeous> aha..
[16:30] <Orfeous> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.09/README/chapter-05.html
[16:31] <Konstigt> can I start apport manually? I have a crash report which I want to submit
[16:35] <Konstigt> ah there was apport-gtk installed but it was not in the path
[16:43] <mattik> Hello, How can I get wireless network applet back, I closed it
[16:43] <mattik> in hardy
[16:48] <RyanPrior> Hey there. My USB subsystem keeps dying in software. Is there a way to reset it, other than rebooting? And is there something I can to do find out why it's dying and report that as a bug?
[16:51] <Orfeous> i give up :D
[16:54] <Konstigt> just added bug 188387 on launchpad. very strange...
[16:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188387 in ubuntu "Can only do double clicks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188387
[16:55] <hyper_ch> how can I rename a bug?
[16:55] <hyper_ch> in launchpad I mean... a bug that I submitted ;)
[16:56] <RyanPrior> hyper_ch: On the left hand bar, there's an option like "Edit bug"
[16:56] <RyanPrior> hyper_ch: That'll let you change the name, description, and so on.
[16:56] <hyper_ch> RyanPrior: ok, that was too simple ;)
[16:56] <hyper_ch> I looked above and below the bug submission ;)
[16:56] <RyanPrior> hyper_ch: Launchpad is often simple, but not always obvious. :-)
[16:57] <hyper_ch> just used from forums to look above/below the posting
[17:01] <hyper_ch> hardy doesn't like my benq dvd drive
[17:01] <l3on> hi all!...
[17:01] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone know if there is a KDE4 Alpha 4??
[17:02] <hyper_ch> FunnyLookinHat: #kde+1 maybe or ask in #kde
[17:02] <hyper_ch> now I need somebody to confirm my bug :)
[17:02] <l3on> I've some problem with Hardy on 64bit.... I'm unable to see ttys... they work fine, but not show... someone can help me?
[17:05] <l3on> 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R430 [Radeon X800 (PCIE)]
[17:05] <innertruth> how i can install kde/kde4/xfce
[17:05] <l3on> and Xorg.conf -> http://tetrafarmakon.org/l3on/misc/xorg.conf.20080202175409
[17:06] <hyper_ch> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[17:06] <hyper_ch> and for kde4... you need some more repos
[17:06] <innertruth> thanks
[17:11] <Konstigt> Anyone else having problem about missing top panel? I just added #188389 on launchpad about this.
[17:11] <mattik> Konstigt: I missed wireless network panel
[17:12] <Konstigt> mattik: Ok, I miss all top panels on all applications I start (except for Konsole which is qt)
[17:12] <Konstigt> (I run konsole in Ubuntu because gnome-terminal is useless)
[17:13] <mattik> Konstigt: Did you close it
[17:18] <Konstigt> mattik: The bug or what?
[17:19] <Konstigt> mattik: When I created a better xorg.conf and restarted X the problem was gone.
[17:19] <mattik> Konstigt: I had same problem when I used compiz
[17:20] <Konstigt> Ok.. I have desktop effects turned off.
[17:20] <mattik> I will try
[17:21] <mattik> I tried to install ubuntu in finnish before this, but It's not possible. I download image and I install it in english
[17:21] <Konstigt> What is the correct way to get a proper xorg.conf? I'm using the fglrx driver.
[17:22] <Konstigt> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' doesn't produce much.
[17:25] <innertruth> they forget about alpha4 of xubuntu
[17:28] <gilster4> hello. I just did distupgrade from gutsy to the alpha4 release. I cant get X to start after login screen. Do i need to reconfigure it or what?
[17:29] <hyper_ch> gilster4: you know what hardy is still alpha?
[17:30] <gilster4> hyper_Ch: i know that. I am not sure why you are telling me this.
[17:30] <hyper_ch> well, just because you upgraded
[17:30] <hyper_ch> with alphas I'd doe a second install first
[17:31] <gilster4> hyper_ch: i asked a pretty straight forward question. I know all about alphas my friend.
[17:31] <gilster4> i am asking how to get X to load up? Do i need to depkg xserver
[17:31] <hyper_ch> well, there are a lot of people that don't my friend
[17:32] <hyper_ch> if you get to the login screen it doesn't seem to be a problem of the xserver
[17:32] <gilster4> hmmm. right.
[17:33] <hyper_ch> that's my 2 cent but then you could backup your xserver-xorg and reconfigure it... maybe I'm wrong
[17:34] <gilster4> ok i will give it a go. i just wanted to see if this was a standard issue people were getting here. I didnt know if it was an xgl error from compiz
[17:35] <void^> "after login screen" means X already runs, if you use gdm/kdm/xdm/*
[17:37] <innertruth> is it just me or xfce faster than gnome?
[17:37] <hydrogen> it is
[17:40] <hyper_ch> xfce is also cooler than gnome
[17:48] <zoke> what is the big diff between xfce and gnome ?
[17:49] <hyper_ch> xfce rules gnome drools ^^
[17:49] <hyper_ch> xfce is "lightweight" and its straight forward...
[18:01] <bardyr> does anybody that has firefox3 want to confirm a bug for me, if you type staff in the address bar, it will display as staffi
[18:01] <Oli```> arlg1 my shift/alt/control/super/num-lock/print-screen buttons have stopped working again... third time this week. is there anyway to reset the input without killing x/
[18:02] <Oli```> i was using vmware this time... i think it's reserving them somehow because the keys witll work fine inside the vm
[18:09] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone know if a KDE4 Build of the latest alpha will be released?
[18:10] <PriceChild> FunnyLookinHat, I'm sure it will
[18:16] <cdm10> The LiveCD is offering to install updates... this is a bug, right?
[18:19] <bardyr> cdm10, why is it a bug?
[18:20] <Andre_Gondim> if I installed hardy in us language, may I change it?
[18:22] <bardyr> yes
[18:23] <cdm10> bardyr: well, the LiveCD shouldn't be offering to install software updates.
[18:23] <cdm10> bardyr: it never has in the past, and it shouldn't be...
[18:25] <mendred> hi i am planning to update my gutsy machine (amd64) to hardy...is there anything majorly broken in the repos currently ?
[18:25] <cdm10> mendred: bad idea if it's your main machine.
[18:26] <mendred> cdm10 : wouldnt be the first tme :)
[18:26] <bardyr> mendred, sftp and some other nautilus is broken
[18:26] <cdm10> mendred: I run it in a VM to avoid issues.
[18:26] <mendred> cdm10: oh that bad huh
[18:26] <mendred> cdm10: how about the kde part?
[18:26] <mendred> any diea
[18:27] <mendred> bardyr: noted thanks for the info
[18:29] <cdm10> mendred: haven't used KDE much.
[18:29] <cdm10> mendred: I'd install it on an old machine or a VM if you want to test it.
[18:29] <cdm10> mendred: be patient!
[18:29] <mendred> cdm10: ok :)
[18:31] <bardyr> as long as VM's due not have 3d, they are useless :/
[18:31] <bardyr> for testing ubuntu stuff
[18:34] <Konstigt> Sigh... getting Xorg to work good isn't that easy if you're not allowed to edit xorg.conf (which you shouldn't have to do)
[18:35] <Konstigt> I added bug 188409 on Launchpad about it being impossible with Alpha 4 to get a working setup.
[18:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188409 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "xorg.conf generated by fglrx doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188409
[19:12] <cdm10> this is really strange... the Ubuntu login sound plays multiple times during the install process.
[19:12] <cdm10> I'm not sure if it has something to do with the VM I'm running Hardy in...
[19:12] <cdm10> it just played for a third time...
[19:12] <cdm10> it plays at seemingly random stages in the process.
[19:24] <Konstigt> cdm10: i noticed that too :)
[19:25] <Konstigt> cdm10: I actually got it during a desktop session maybe 5 minutes after logging in
[19:25] <Konstigt> hehe, this is one of those things you think you're the only one to experience.
[19:26] <cdm10> Konstigt: ouch.
[19:26] <cdm10> Konstigt: yeah.
[19:29] <holzmodem> hi, i have a problem with the keyboard layout, after starting X the keyboard layout is broken, some keys are have wrong functions, like ALT-GR works like ENTER, oder DEL like PRINT Screen. the keyboard layout is correct configured in xorg.conf,.... so whats wrong?
[19:29] <innertruth> it seems layout is broken
[19:30] <Assid> innertruth: im thinking of benq now
[19:30] <generalj__> I had the ubuntu login sound play multiple times during install too
[19:31] <Assid> in a fresh install of alpha4.. i keep getting that the updatemanager needs to get the new list
[19:31] <Assid> however.. this even happens when you just update.. and reopen update manager
[19:32] <generalj__> well, i gave up alpha-4, i am putting gutsy back on as i type on my other pc, way to buggy for me and i dont know where to start or have time to help troubleshoot,
[19:33] <generalj__> biggest problem so far with alpha-4, network problems, policykit interfereing with me changing network configurations etc.
[19:33] <generalj__> i need network to get updates, and report bug fixes yet it is broken
[19:42] <innertruth> ctcp
[19:42] <innertruth> :/
[19:46] <rsk> 8<
[20:01] <mikedep334> hey, I am running hardy in vmware server 1.0.x. I know that X auto detects everything now. It is auto-detecting the screen as only going upto 800x600 and I want 1280x960 or so. "Screen Resolution" only takes me upto 800x600 and "Screen and Graphics" does not work. How do I increase the res?
[20:01] <mikedep334> I would edit xorg.conf, but I thought that it was ignored now.
[20:03] <DanaG> xorg.conf isn't ignored.
[20:03] <DanaG> But dpkg-reconfiguring xorg no longer gives choice of resolution and such.
[20:06] <mikedep334> ok
[20:06] <mikedep334> I'll try to edit xorg.conf
[20:06] <mikedep334> it is very minimal now
[20:06] <Assid> wassup DanaG
[20:06] <mikedep334> and I gotta go so I'll do it later
[20:07] <DanaG> displayconfig-gtk isn't working?
[20:07] <DanaG> Odd.
[20:07] <DanaG> (I don't use it myself -- I need stuff for touchpad that can only be done manually.)
[20:08] <Assid> DanaG: any idea if they fixed that external drive ntfs - recursive delete?
[20:08] <mikedep334> yeah, like none of the fields (or whatever you call them) have any text or icons
[20:08] <mikedep334> and you cant put stuff in them
[20:08] <DanaG> Odd.
[20:09] <DanaG> Try running displayconfig-gtk in console.
[20:13] <Gnine> issue: no resume from suspend. must do ctrl-alt-backspace to bring system back up. athlon64 x2
[20:15] <Gnine> issue: dual battery status bug spotted. confirmed.
[20:16] <crimsun> Gnine: suspend to what?
[20:16] <crimsun> ram? disk?
[20:16] <yao_ziyuan> can hardy support chinese display and input now?
[20:16] <crimsun> and the "dual battery" bit is a simple /proc and /sys duplication.  It's known.
[20:16] <bardyr> yao_ziyuan, yea
[20:17] <yao_ziyuan> bardyr: if i change system language to chinese, chinese input methods can automatically be made available on the system tray?
[20:17] <bardyr> yao_ziyuan, should be
[20:18] <yao_ziyuan> bardyr: can you do a simple test for me?
[20:18] <yao_ziyuan> bardyr: switch your system language to chinese
[20:18] <bardyr> hmm
[20:18] <bardyr> 2sec+lag
[20:18] <Gnine> suspend unusable in any state...
[20:19] <bardyr> Gnine, gfx card?
[20:19] <bardyr> and driver
[20:20] <__-osh-__> Is there a known java error in hardy? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54506/
[20:20] <bardyr> yao_ziyuan, i can switch but i dont have a chinese keyboard
[20:20] <yao_ziyuan> bardyr: ... no joke...
[20:21] <yao_ziyuan> bardyr: if successful, you should see a "scim" or "skim" input method manager icon on the system tray
[20:21] <Gnine> nvidia geforce go 6100, bardyr
[20:22] <bardyr> yao_ziyuan, its there
[20:22] <yao_ziyuan> bardyr: unbelievable... are you using a freshly installed hardy?
[20:22] <Gnine> restricted driver
[20:22] <bardyr> Gnine, suspend works here on a nvidia gfx go 7600
[20:22] <bardyr> yao_ziyuan, nope
[20:22] <yao_ziyuan> bardyr: but, if you left click or right click that icon, there should be a list of input methods
[20:23] <yao_ziyuan> bardyr: then what os are you running?
[20:23] <bardyr> hardy
[20:23] <Gnine> bardyr seemed to have lucked out
[20:23] <bardyr> but its not freshly installed
[20:23] <bardyr> Gnine, i due have a problem sometimes with a brown screen, but typing in my pw works
[20:25] <Gnine> i dont get nothing. blank screen. tried typing user psswrd just in case. negative results
[20:25] <Gnine> desktop works fine though..
[20:31] <hyper_ch> why does Hardy have problems with my dvd drive... this just elludes me
[20:45] <LT_Tuvok> ppl need details to even take a accurate guess
[20:46] <flipstar> !bug 179179
[20:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179179 in ubuntu "Hardy doesn't like BENQ DVD DD DW1620 drives" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179179
[20:47] <hyper_ch> LT_Tuvok: I'm just surprised because dapper - gutsy it was no problem at all
[20:48] <hyper_ch> and I'm further surprised that - au contraire to alpha 3 - I could install from alternate without problems but then after reboot the problems arise....
[20:56] <LT_Tuvok> hyper_ch, curious
[20:56] <hyper_ch> my hardy fstab:   --> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       0
[20:56] <hyper_ch> could that be an issue?
[20:56] <LT_Tuvok> best to use pastebin
[20:57] <hyper_ch> LT_Tuvok: for 1 line?
[20:58] <LT_Tuvok> well if I have to max my window then ...
[20:58] <hyper_ch> oh :)
[20:58] <LT_Tuvok> the whole fstab may be more revealing
[20:58] <LT_Tuvok> let me check mine
[20:58] <hyper_ch> well, it's the /dev/scd0 that is different from my gutsy one
[20:58] <hyper_ch> in gutsy it's /dev/hdc
[20:58] <LT_Tuvok> exactly
[20:59] <LT_Tuvok> my cdroms are hda
[20:59] <LT_Tuvok> no sda
[20:59] <hyper_ch> gutsy or hardy?
[20:59] <LT_Tuvok> hdx not sdx
[20:59] <LT_Tuvok> whatever
[20:59] <LT_Tuvok> they are not scsi
[20:59] <hyper_ch> hmmm, interesting
[20:59] <LT_Tuvok> make that adjustment
[20:59] <DanaG> Must be an old chipset, or something.
[20:59] <hyper_ch> sata drives are listed as sdX in gutsy
[20:59] <LT_Tuvok> problem solved
[20:59] <LT_Tuvok> yes you have sata cdroms?
[21:00] <hyper_ch> no
[21:00] <LT_Tuvok> ok then
[21:00] <hyper_ch> 2x ide hds and 1x ide dvd-drive and 2x sata hds
[21:00] <LT_Tuvok> change the fstab to reflect hdx instead of sdx \
[21:00] <LT_Tuvok> eom
[21:01] <hyper_ch> ok, rebooting now into hardy
[21:01] <LT_Tuvok> whoa
[21:01] <LT_Tuvok> reboot for what?
[21:01] <LT_Tuvok> mount -a
[21:01] <hyper_ch> LT_Tuvok: cause I'm in hardy ^^
[21:01] <LT_Tuvok> and?
[21:01] <hyper_ch> LT_Tuvok: in gutsy ^^
[21:01] <LT_Tuvok> humans
[21:02] <LT_Tuvok> think I'll just watch from now on
[21:02] <LT_Tuvok> helping ppl is stressful
[21:02] <LT_Tuvok> especially when they refuse to "get it"
[21:07] <hyper_ch> LT_Tuvok: didn't help
[21:07] <hyper_ch> the cd-drive is just dead
[21:07] <hyper_ch> can't be ejected or something
[21:09] <LT_Tuvok> sounds like user error at this point
[21:10] <LT_Tuvok> I would hold off on blaming hardy for now
[21:11] <LT_Tuvok> still don't undestand why you rebooted?
[21:11] <flipstar> i fully agree with you LT_Tuvok with what you just said before
[21:11] <LT_Tuvok> what are you dual booting hardy and gutsy
[21:11] <LT_Tuvok> flipstar, I've said alot, what part?
[21:12] <flipstar> like 9 minutes ago :P
[21:12] <flipstar> 10 now
[21:12] <LT_Tuvok> ;)
[21:12] <flipstar> :)
[21:12] <LT_Tuvok> gotcha
[21:21] <DreadKnight> what file do i have to edit to disable the kde4 effects? i've activated them and i don't see anything in my kde4 session
[21:25] <gilnfld> hello all.
[21:26] <gilnfld> does compiz work in the latest alpha release?
[21:26] <DreadKnight> i heard so
[21:26] <gilnfld> any suggestions on how to get it going
[21:26] <gilnfld> ?
[21:27] <DreadKnight> well i'm not sure
[21:27] <DreadKnight> got problems myself :(
[21:27] <DreadKnight> what file do i have to edit to disable the kde4 effects? i've activated them and i don't see anything in my kde4 session
[21:27] <DreadKnight> xD
[21:28] <LT_Tuvok> gilnfld, read
[21:29] <LT_Tuvok> they are not called suggestions, but directions and FAQs
[21:29] <LT_Tuvok> use them, please
[21:29] <zoke> what is the difference between the Remote Desktop tool and the VNC tool ?
[21:29] <LT_Tuvok> or /join #ubuntu
[21:29] <LT_Tuvok> zoke, google
[21:30] <LT_Tuvok> read up on what a RDP actually is
[21:30] <DreadKnight> zoke: with one you can see somebody else's desktop, with the other you can have people seeing your desktop..
[21:30] <zoke> oh
[21:30] <zoke> woops
[21:30] <LT_Tuvok> not exactly, but whatever
[21:31] <DreadKnight> zoke: well, if you meant those 2 apps in kde, but as you asked, it's pretty much the same thing, about remote desktop connection :)
[21:31] <LT_Tuvok> DreadKnight, /join #kubuntu
[21:31] <DreadKnight> LT_Tuvok: already there...
[21:31] <LT_Tuvok> good
[21:46] <RyanPrior> Can anybody help me get my graphics card working? I have an ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
[21:47] <bardyr> RyanPrior, System -> Administration -> Driver Setup
[21:49] <innertruth> RyanPrior: whats wrong?
[21:49] <RyanPrior> ryan@ryan-laptop:~$ gksudo /usr/bin/jockey-gtk
[21:49] <RyanPrior> WARNING: /sys/module/fglrx/drivers does not exist, cannot rebind fglrx driver
[21:49] <RyanPrior> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[21:50] <innertruth> whats up with that flood
[21:50] <RyanPrior> I don't mean to flood - that's exactly what happens when I try to use jockey-gtk to install the driver.
[21:50] <innertruth> mm
[21:53] <Javid> my install (alt cd) seems to have hung at "scanning the cd-rom" while configuring apt, is that common?
[21:53] <Gnine> i thought emerald was dead; just got an update for it
[21:54] <innertruth> !bug 181561
[21:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181561 in linux "Hardy alpha 3 daily-live i386 don't boot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181561
[21:54] <LT_Tuvok> you'll get updates so long as you have it installed
[21:55] <Gnine> good to know
[21:56] <Gnine> maybe that'll fix the flickering (sometimes)
[21:56] <RyanPrior> Try alpha 4
[21:56] <RyanPrior> I'm really disappointed that they aren't calling them flocks.
[21:56] <RyanPrior> We had herds and tribes, why "alphas" now?
[21:57] <Gnine> evolution
[21:58] <LT_Tuvok> weird
[22:00] <innertruth> do you downloading from cdimage.ubuntu.com? what speed you get?
[22:01] <innertruth> i'm getting 10-40 kbytes/s right now
[22:01] <LT_Tuvok> use the torrents please
[22:02] <innertruth> not for daily builds
[22:02] <innertruth> but i agree
[22:13] <__-osh-__> Is Java6 broken in Hardy? I get this output when trying to start a GUI. The console part seems to work ok though. -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54506/
[22:17] <yao_ziyuan> i'm running Hardy Alpha 4 Live CD as a virtual machine
[22:17] <yao_ziyuan> i let the system install a new language: Chinese
[22:17] <yao_ziyuan> now it's downloading related packages
[22:18] <yao_ziyuan> my question: it may require a reboot or logout/login. after logout, does the Live CD preserve what is already installed?
[22:18] <bardyr> nope
[22:18] <yao_ziyuan> ...
[22:18] <bardyr> but login/logout should do it
[22:18] <yao_ziyuan> so trying to installing a new language on a Live CD is no hope?
[22:19] <bardyr> yao_ziyuan, just logout/login afterwards
[22:19] <Gnine> livecd runs from ram
[22:19] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[22:19] <innertruth> ... where it is written do you think to persist
[22:19] <yao_ziyuan> as long as logout does not clear the ramdisk
[22:21] <yao_ziyuan> if installing chinese to hardy alpha 4 means a good chinese display and input environment, i will use it..
[22:21] <RyanPrior> I'm having trouble with my graphics card. When I try to use the driver manager to enable ATI's driver, it renders X unstartable - my computer seems to crash when X tries to start. If I fix X, it will start again, but it reverts to the Mesa driver.
[22:22] <yao_ziyuan> i also found that distros using an older KDE version than 3.5.8 support chinese display and input out-of-the-box
[22:22] <yao_ziyuan> 3.5.8 is not as mature in this aspect
[22:22] <yao_ziyuan> the distro i mean is PCLinuxOS 2007
[22:23] <RyanPrior> yao_ziyuan: I was under the impression that more Chinese users liked Red Flag.
[22:23] <innertruth> well i not tested that much but from what i seen ubuntu 7.10 having loads of asian languages support
[22:24] <yao_ziyuan> kde IS the future, but not anytime soon as long as it doesn't solve the chinese problem
[22:24] <yao_ziyuan> RyanPrior: or Red Dragon...
[22:25] <SeveredCross> Does anyone know if a fix for python-nautilus's breakage with libeel2-2 2.21.90 is going to be fixed soon?
[22:25] <yao_ziyuan> innertruth: yes, ubuntu supports chinese better. after you enable the chinese language and check "support input of complex scripts", chinese input methods will be on the desktop
[22:25] <Gnine> gnome forever!
[22:25] <innertruth> so... whats a problem?
[22:25] <yao_ziyuan> innertruth: problem is with kde
[22:25] <innertruth> oh
[22:26] <RyanPrior> Can't KDE use SCIM for complex scripts?
[22:27] <yao_ziyuan> RyanPrior: if i install ubuntu first and add chinese and then install kubuntu-desktop,
[22:27] <yao_ziyuan> then in a kde session i can activate scim successfully
[22:27] <yao_ziyuan> without involving skim
[22:28] <yao_ziyuan> kde generally uses skim as a input method manager front-end
[22:28] <yao_ziyuan> and skim talks to scim for the real functionality
[22:28] <RyanPrior> But skim isn't working for you?
[22:28] <yao_ziyuan> skim is very poor
[22:29] <yao_ziyuan> i ruined it in a kubuntu 7.10 virtual machine
[22:29] <yao_ziyuan> RyanPrior: with kubuntu 7.10, after i install the chinese language, it doesn't mean chinese displaying and inputting are immediately ready
[22:30] <yao_ziyuan> RyanPrior: a chinese user has to follow some third-party "instructions" to manually set up everything
[22:30] <yao_ziyuan> from fonts to scim
[22:31] <RyanPrior> That's unfortunate, and probably a result of the fact that only a very small portion of Ubuntu developers use Chinese on the desktop.
[22:31] <yao_ziyuan> RyanPrior: kde developers
[22:31] <innertruth> well i dont know about input, but displaying is working out of the box without chinese language even installed, i mean displaying it on irc
[22:31] <innertruth> useing utf-8
[22:32] <innertruth> i mean ubuntu
[22:32] <yao_ziyuan> RyanPrior: the chinese user community #ubuntu-cn already has an instruction. kubuntu just should commit this instruction into the chinese language installation script
[22:33] <yao_ziyuan> innertruth: in ubuntu, when the current language is english, some chinese characters will be displayed in a different font than other chinese characters
[22:33] <yao_ziyuan> innertruth: it's a conflict in font config
[22:34] <bardyr> why not just use ubuntu instead of kubuntu, gnome ftw ;)
[22:34] <Gnine> gnome forever!
[22:34] <yao_ziyuan> bardyr: i do
[22:35] <yao_ziyuan> bardyr: i also run a kubuntu virtual machine where i set up everything manually
[22:35] <yao_ziyuan> problem with ubuntu is it needs more pretty themes built in
[22:36] <bardyr> we have gnome-look.org for that
[22:36] <innertruth> i switched to xfce
[22:37] <RyanPrior> It would be neat to have a tie-in with Gnome that let you download and preview gnome-look themes via a specialized browser.
[22:37] <yao_ziyuan> yes yes
[22:37] <yao_ziyuan> and wallpapers like kde
[22:38] <Gnine> too lazy
[22:38] <yao_ziyuan> in this Hardy Alpha 4 Live CD virtual machine i requested Full Upgrade and then Apply,
[22:38] <yao_ziyuan> it raised an error while installing the downloaded packages
[22:38] <yao_ziyuan> i think it was because the ram disk had run out
[22:39] <flipstar> you can easily raise the availible ram in vmware ..
[22:39] <yao_ziyuan> i set to 512 mb
[22:40] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone successfully Full Upgrade a Hardy Alpha 4?
[22:40] <yao_ziyuan> i mean Kubuntu 8
[22:42] <RyanPrior> I'm having trouble with my graphics card. When I try to use the driver manager to enable ATI's driver, it renders X unstartable - my computer seems to crash when X tries to start. If I fix X, it will start again, but it reverts to the Mesa driver.
[22:43] <bardyr> !work
[22:43] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[22:43] <bardyr> and xorg.log would be great
[22:46] <innertruth> my md5 is wrong... again
[22:46] <innertruth> is it wget?
[22:47] <innertruth> does X crash + resuming doing download corrupted?
[22:48] <yao_ziyuan> my v-22 is started and its rotors running
[22:48] <yao_ziyuan> but it does not take off
[22:48] <yao_ziyuan> why?
[22:49] <yao_ziyuan> i pressed:
[22:49] <yao_ziyuan> }
[22:49] <yao_ziyuan> PageUp
[22:49] <underwatercow> Did they remove the icons on the desktop in hardy?
[22:51] <SeveredCross> underwatercow: Nope...
[22:51] <SeveredCross> I still have icons on my desktop.
[22:51] <SeveredCross> Is your nautilus dead?
[22:51] <SeveredCross> Also, does anyone know anything about python-nautilus and libeel?
[22:51] <underwatercow> SeveredCross: It works, though it behaves a little strangely
[22:53] <underwatercow> Why is there no "Filesystem" option in some areas, such as search?
[22:55] <DanaG> Gaack, damn nvidia.
[22:56] <DanaG> Now my GPU has gotten stuck in 2D mode.
[22:56] <flipstar> 171.05 is out ..
[22:56] <DanaG> [  917.612000] NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 13, 0002 beef3097 00004097 0000036c 0000000e 00040000
[22:56] <DanaG> [  917.616000] NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 6, PE0002 1a18 00200020 001cfc20 000000ff 0000fff0
[22:56] <DanaG> [  917.616000] NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 36,  L0 -> L0
[22:56] <DanaG> [  917.624000] NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 36,  L0 -> L0
[22:57] <DanaG> It is?  Where?
[22:59] <flipstar> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/171.05/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-171.05-pkg1.run
[22:59] <DanaG> Changelog?
[23:00] <bardyr> w00t, new drivers :D
[23:01] <DanaG> It's supposedly only for the Tesla GPGPUs.
[23:01] <DanaG> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=107265
[23:01] <flipstar> its BETA btw
[23:02] <DanaG> It's not linked to from the nvidia web site, even under beta.
[23:03] <DanaG> I hope that by summer, ATI/AMD drivers will be good enough that I can jump ship from NVIDIA.
[23:03] <DanaG> I'm sick of my nvidia issues, but ATI/AMD is currently worse.
[23:04] <blueyed> intel seems the way to go.
[23:04] <blueyed> DanaG: you should add your irc nick on your lp page (https://launchpad.net/~danagoyette) :)
[23:04] <blueyed> I've tried to find you because of the CFS linux issue (niceness in process groups and such)
[23:05] <DanaG> aah.
[23:06] <Gnine> suspend to disk is working properly now
[23:06] <blueyed> Gnine: This is always nice.. :)
[23:07] <Gnine> suspend to ram is still faulty (laptop)
[23:10] <blueyed> That's bad (for a laptop)
[23:10] <blueyed> DanaG: I've pinged in #ubuntu-kernel about the bug, let's see.
[23:11]  * DanaG uses suspend just fine, except when suspending on AC and resuming on battery.
[23:11] <DanaG> In addition, it seems like "the third time's the charm" at NOT resuming -- it'll resume twice, but not a third time.
[23:11] <Gnine> i just have to watch not to leave any important stuff running unattended .   ;-P
[23:11] <DanaG> I don't leave autosuspend on idle set.  I just use manual suspend, or autosuspend on critical battery, in which case I'll know not to resume on battery.
[23:12] <crimsun> guys, please bisect between mainline (kernel.org) and ubuntu-hardy.
[23:13] <bardyr> why and for what?
[23:13] <crimsun> for suspend issues.
[23:13] <flipstar> the ubuntu kernel isn the original one
[23:13] <flipstar> *isnt
[23:14] <flipstar> so this may *ubuntu specific
[23:14] <crimsun> flipstar: that's why bisecting is useful.
[23:15] <crimsun> and yes, it is Ubuntu-specific
[23:15] <crimsun> both stock/mainline and tuxonice fare much better suspend-to-*- and resume-wise
[23:15] <DanaG> For me, I just had to muck around in /etc/default/acpi-support for a while.
[23:15] <DanaG> That should be documented somewhere.
[23:15] <crimsun> DanaG: on your laptop model's wiki page.
[23:16] <DanaG> (It's hard to know to do that.)
[23:16] <crimsun> DanaG: unfortunately, it means it's still not working properly.
[23:16] <DanaG> (started typing before your response).
[23:18] <DanaG> CLosest thing is this page, which is the precursor to this model -- all that changed is the CPU socket and video card, I believe.
[23:18] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/GatewayM680?highlight=(laptop)|(gateway)
[23:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, anything new about my audio capture issue?
[23:22] <DanaG> (None of my friends use ekiga or such, so I don't actually _need_ working capture.)
[23:22] <SeveredCross> Suspend and hibernate work for me with the Ubuntu kernel...
[23:24] <DanaG> Can anybody offer input (personal experience) on how ATI is nowadays, especially with recent cards?  Once summer rolls around, I'm likely going to find myself a new laptop -- and I'm sick of NVIDIA.
[23:25] <SeveredCross> DanaG: fglrx sucks.
[23:25] <SeveredCross> Actually, it just doesn't play nice with 2.6.24 and Xserver 1.4, at least not for me.
[23:25] <SeveredCross> Compiz is broken, and suspend and hibernate didn't work as promied.
[23:25] <SeveredCross> RadeonHD is a much better driver compatibility-wise, if you don't care about Compiz or 3D acceleration.
[23:26] <SeveredCross> Suspend and hibernate with RadeonHD work great.
[23:27] <DanaG> Hmm, I don't want to go without Compiz.  I guess the best thing to do is just to wait until summer and check again then,
[23:27] <DanaG> .
[23:28] <crimsun> I wonder if the current intel X driver in hardy has massive xv issues.
[23:28] <SeveredCross> fglrx should be improved by then.
[23:28] <jscinoz> what kernel does hardy use?
[23:28] <jscinoz> .23?
[23:28] <SeveredCross> .24
[23:29] <crimsun> as a base, yes.
[23:29] <jscinoz> is CFS in .24?
[23:29] <crimsun> yes.
[23:29] <DanaG> I actually don't greatly care whether the good drivers by then are open or closed.
[23:29] <DanaG> Just as long as either is good, I'll be happy.
[23:29] <jscinoz> alright thanks
[23:32]  * DanaG goes to reboot to unwedge his GPU from 2D mode. 
[23:32] <DanaG> Or perhaps I should just stop X and reload nvidia.
[23:38] <DanaG> Nope, had to reboot.
[23:38] <DanaG> Module "still in use" even after stopping X.
[23:38] <Zambezi> Is there a bug in screen? I can't start a window within it.
[23:39] <crimsun> 4.0.3-7ubuntu1 works fine here.
[23:40] <DanaG> Hmm, can you apply the "Simultaneous Output" to networked sinks without using pacmd?
[23:40] <DanaG> I'm curious to see how well synchronized stuff is when done over the network.
[23:41] <innertrut3> does "check cd" live cd function check crc of files or just readability?
[23:43] <SeveredCross> MD5 I think.
[23:44] <innertrut3> strange... md5 of iso was wrong, but live cd check not found any problems... and X not loading
[23:44] <SeveredCross> Hmm. No idea then.
[23:45] <innertrut3> no... loading but hang
[23:45] <innertrut3> at load
[23:47] <blueyed> DanaG: do you have folding@home running, when you experience the pulseaudio dropouts? (bug 177713)
[23:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "CFS in 2.6.24 kernel needs cpu_share adjustment for "niced" processes" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713
[23:48] <DanaG> Let me try without it running.
[23:48] <DanaG> Yes, it's only with folding running.
[23:49] <blueyed> DanaG: so it's just because of missing performance and the assigning of cpu_shares.
[23:49] <DanaG> The easiest way to test is to install Timidity, leave not enabled as ALSA synth, then just do 'timidity -in -Os some_file'
[23:49] <alteregolio> high
[23:49] <DanaG> I'll get timidity dying on audio dropout, upon closing lid.
[23:49] <DanaG> Other apps just keep going after the dropout.
[23:51] <crimsun> err
[23:51] <crimsun> let's eliminate PA from the equation.
[23:51] <crimsun> loop, several dozen times using for and $(seq), an aplay
[23:51] <crimsun> (obviously you'll need to kill PA)
[23:52] <crimsun> attempt to reproduce the dropout