[00:00] with gnome-games-data and gnome-cards-data [00:00] both contain /usr/share/gnome-games-common/cards/bonded.svg [00:00] any suggestions how to resolve? [00:07] nm - all working now, just needed to dpkg -r gnome-games-data [00:47] i just installed hardy on free unformatted partition and during installation hardy deleted all files on other partition, it was called something like "deleting conflicting operating system files". it was data files, not os. very funny, dont you think so [00:48] did you file a bug report? [00:48] no [00:49] i'm using latest daily build [00:50] ohh... its not latest already ) === squidy_ is now known as squidy [01:34] any other broadcom users that are now looking to a wlan0_rename interface? [01:36] my wlan now doesn't work, any suggestions? [01:39] looks like Bug #183968 [01:39] Launchpad bug 183968 in udev "interface not completely renamed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183968 [01:41] I also found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/178499 [01:41] Launchpad bug 178499 in linux "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0_rename: link is not ready" [Medium,Triaged] [01:41] which points to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=649038 [01:46] NoelJB, are you seeing the bug? [01:46] experiencing it I mean [01:47] osito: nope. Just found some info after you asked about it. [01:48] thanks on the pointers [01:48] I'll try the workarounds and see where they get me [02:16] How would I upgrade to Hardy from Gutsy? [02:16] congratulations [02:17] So.. how do I upgrade to Hardy then? [02:18] change sources.list to hardy and upgrade, dist-upgrade I would support. [02:18] If you don't know how though, you probably shouldn't be doing it. [02:19] Ok so just change them manually? [02:20] If you don't know how though, you probably shouldn't be doing it. [02:20] Well, I need to learn how to then :) [02:20] Let me see if this works.. [02:22] same here, gutsy to hardy... [02:22] I believe we can use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -d or simply change the sources.list [02:22] I'm changing the sources.list, I'll tell you how it goes. [02:23] Im excited for see if hardy alpha eat my dog when I reboot xD [02:24] .... what? Lol [02:24] Sounds like some kind of sexual implementation there. [02:24] xDDD [02:25] I'm excited about the new programs. [02:25] And also the "Unlock" feature, I guess. [02:25] Does Pulse Audio make the music quality sound better, or simply add more control overi t? [02:35] nice, I only lost my DNS X) [02:37] lol [02:37] So you upgraded? [02:37] I think I'm almost there, it's unpacking everything. [02:37] yep [02:39] this is taking forever. [02:39] yes [02:59] Chrononaut: I hope that you've a gutsy to go back to when necessary. :-) [03:00] sorry, wrong chris. [03:00] dangers of completion [03:03] NoelJB, I have gutsy in other pc :> [03:04] somebody feel mouse with "warping" ? [03:04] AHA! Alpha 4 is posted! [03:05] oh no! [03:08] ? [03:17] im trying to find some info on the new GVFS code [03:21] "Refrain from operating on valuable files with this version." :P [03:21] Big annoyance in new gvfs: [03:21] try copying stuff to a nearly full volume, and then run into a "not enough space" error. [03:22] Now try to browse the device to free up space. [03:22] You can't! [03:22] Any new Nautilus window that opens on the same dir will be blocked by the modal dialog. === bmk789 is now known as bmk789_bed [03:25] Oh, gnome-power-manager is what's spinning up my hard drive. [03:25] That's odd. [03:26] upon further reading i find there seems to be significant negativity towards including gvfs in hardy, since "not all applications will be ported to it in time" and its "lots of new lines of code" [03:26] but thats not what im looking for, i just want to find out the advantages.. apart from some vague reference to supporting policy kit [03:26] Oh, and pidgin logs, too. [03:26] Is there a way to make writes to fat32 not be immediate? [03:27] back in the day, hdparm -W would turn write caching on for ide drives [03:27] im not sure if theres a similar thing for scsi/sata devices [03:28] can any one help me out with virtualization? [03:28] Actually, I think it is on, since not every line spins up the drive. [03:29] I changed the ext3 commit interval to 15 minutes. [03:29] That lets my hdd spin down and stay down for a while. [03:30] And when on AC, I just let it stay spun up. [03:32] VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED) is the code i keep getting [03:32] any ideas [03:33] have you tried putting VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED into Google? [03:33] sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup [03:33] nope thought i'd try here fist [03:35] try google. I found ansswers on the first two hits. [03:36] ok thanks [03:45] i had to use another vm copy i had to get it working... after upgrading to the latest virtualbox [03:46] another VM copy? [03:46] ya i had a backup from a few weeks back [03:46] oh i see [03:46] always pretty simple to do vs full reinstall [03:46] ya [03:47] nice to see the alpha 4 is out [03:58] thank you for you help [03:58] all i needed was a simple permission change === MetaBot-2 is now known as MetaBot === Agrajag` is now known as Agrajag [04:25] Has the gnome-{session,control-center,setting-daemon} breakage been fixed in the repos? [04:25] Oh, and no changelog for gnome-control center. [04:26] And no changelog for GCC or CPP or G++. [04:32] anyone tried upgrading kubuntu to alpha4 ? [04:35] Why is it that hpijs and gcc and g++ and cpp never show changelogs? [04:43] DanaG, gcc is mostly black magic :) === JSharp_ is now known as JSharp [04:46] EEek, try to delete stuff in ".Trash-1000" [04:46] it replicates! [04:46] WTF? [04:46] It's like those magic brooms carrying water. [04:48] DanaG, I do se changelogs over here [04:48] In update-manager? [04:48] Odd. [04:48] yup [04:48] I never see them. [04:48] Heh, "libmiracle". [04:49] almost everything is "- Regenerate the control file." whatever that means :) [04:49] that better be a really good library :) [04:50] * DanaG likes playing stuff to all audio devices. [04:50] Then you get the odd sound of two mismatched pairs of speakers. [04:51] I wish I had a networked sink to use. [04:51] whoot! my battery applet says I have two batteries :S [04:51] the single best thing i have done for my computer aside hardware upgrades, is to have put ubuntu in it [04:52] DanaG, so do you recommend the latest 9 updates? [04:53] * Gnine still waits for seahorse to work properly among other things [04:54] Gaack, suddenly all my firefox tabs are just one favicon wide. And no text. [04:55] suddenly ... [04:55] anyone seeing "double" batteries on Dell laptops? [04:56] my 8.04 is very stable right now.. i also got no major issues on a tk-53 [04:57] Double batteries are affecting everybody. [04:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/177570 [04:57] Launchpad bug 177570 in hal "[hardy] two batteries display when left clicking on g-p-m" [Medium,Confirmed] [04:57] * Gnine has not seen the double battery issue yet [04:58] ....and why the heck do I have a "new tab" button if I've told it NOT to have a "new tab" button? [04:58] am running 64bit version [04:59] DanaG, thanks, just found it [04:59] Gnine, what are the pros/cons of the 64bit I have amd 64 x2 over here, but I've been running generic like forever [05:00] still no 64 bit flash? [05:00] thats nifty is the double battery measurement is product of bios + battery-bay read out [05:00] i like it [05:01] yet i have not seen it on my tk-53 [05:02] flashplugin-nonfree works for x86_64 [05:02] gnash still has some ways to go [05:05] interesting [05:05] the bug doesn't seem to relate to the BIOS battery tough [05:05] seems like someone has already hacked a patch for HAL in SUSE [05:06] Gnine, so is 64 speedier/spiffier than 386 or generic? [05:08] a lot of people say it doesnt matter , my personal take is that i rather have 64bit system on a 64bit architecture [05:08] * DanaG has merely a Yonah. [05:10] that being said, my 64bit machine flies with the 64bit kernel as opposed to 32bit windoes vista [05:10] windows [05:13] ...iiiis it out yet? [05:13] ?? [05:13] alpha4 .iso? [05:14] i think so [05:14] seriously? [05:14] yes [05:14] i hope so.. checking the page.. [05:14] /sweet/ [05:14] i have installed the new version for 30 min [05:15] and he say is up to date so i think its the new version ;) [05:15] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-4/ (Ubuntu) [05:15] what i do know is that kernel 2.6.24.-5 is out [05:16] anyone know how to use hardy in vmware with more as 800x600 ? [05:18] Argh, timidity through pulseaudio dies on lid close. [05:19] oh hey, is there a changelog for this alpha release? [05:20] * Gnine uses pulseaudio with gxine, mplayer, quodlibet and vlc . no issues [05:20] yup, found it [05:20] How about timidity? [05:21] Everything else is fine, but timidity dies. [05:21] It might not have anything to do with pulseaudio, though. [05:21] Other things lag for about a quarter of a second on lid close. [05:22] That is, there'll be a gap and the audio will drop out or loop a sample, and then it'll get back on the right spot. [05:23] i did get an audio loop bug on an .mp3 file playback but nothing major [05:23] just a 'hiccup' [05:24] it was sort of weird. but i havent duplicated it again [05:24] Perhaps part of it is still due to the scheduler. [05:25] I run folding@home in the background, niced to +19 and SCHED_IDLEPRIO, which means absolutely everything else should get priority. [05:25] But it somehow manages to bog down the system .... less severely than previously, but it's still annoying. [05:26] And I was getting audio dropouts on Pidgin notification sounds. [05:26] my audio loop bug occurred on my 32bit kernel [05:27] and only on stored media [05:27] Stored media? [05:28] media files on disk [05:28] I get dropouts on things such as ogg and mp3 in exaile. [05:28] * Gnine does not use exaile [05:29] bug happened after file was done.. [05:31] anyhow i did not file bug report for it was not anything major. that will not survive official release date [05:50] what's the command to go from gutsy to hardy? [05:50] !hardy [05:50] Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu [06:00] anybody using Cheese, webcam / video software? [06:01] bernier, update-manager -d [06:16] Gaack, I'm getting audio crackling. [06:16] Like it'll be musicmusicmusicmusicPOPmusCRACKLEic [06:18] is ufw a frontend to iptables? [06:19] or is it replacing iptables? [06:34] so i hear transmission is the new default bittorrent client? [06:35] yes :( [06:35] why not deluge :( [06:35] my question ^^ [06:35] i can understand not choosing azureus as its bloated, but deluge is nice [06:35] tranmission is just.. so empty :P [06:36] maybe because this ^^ [06:36] anyone have any idea why when I try to run 8.04 Alpha4 from a liveCD on qemulator it gives me a CLI instead of the normal GUI? [06:36] wait i just found out why [06:37] deluge crashes easily :P [06:37] after klick on go to update site ? ^^ [06:39] guess not =P [06:48] So is there going to be an Alpha 4 release with KDE4?? [06:49] I like deluge [06:49] not entirely stable yet perhaps? [06:50] !461834 [06:50] Sorry, I don't know anything about 461834 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [06:51] bug 461834 [06:51] not found. [06:51] it's a debian bug I guess [06:51] debian bug 461834 [06:52] Debian bug 461834 in gnome-art "gnome-art: Gnome-art conflicts with new Ruby 4.1" [Normal,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/461834 [06:52] oh, I didn't know you could do that [06:52] gnome bug 461834 [06:52] lol [06:52] Gnome bug 461834 in Tasks "crash in Tasks: Forwarding an email" [Critical,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461834 [06:52] yeah, it was the gnome-art one [06:52] can't presently install gnome-art [06:52] I wish changelogs would just say which bug. [06:52] so it's been fixed it says? [06:54] will it be updated in Hardy? [06:55] DanaG: Do you know how the process works? [06:55] hey is anybody else having problems with install kde4-core? [06:56] everything was working fine until a couple of days ago [07:13] I'd imagine the update from Debian will trickle down the pipe, so to speak. [07:18] DanaG, i think you need to kick linus torval a bit over stuffing up the process priority system. [07:19] Yeah, the new scheduler seems worse than the old one, to me. [07:19] I didn't used to get those dropouts in PulseAudio. [07:19] And I /am/ a member of pulse-rt. [07:20] bug 177713 [07:20] Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "CFS in 2.6.24 kernel needs cpu_share adjustment for "niced" processes" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713 [07:20] Fix reelased for that part, but not for the other parts. [07:20] Ubotu should state every assignment and state. [07:21] And what about the underlying issue? [07:21] It's wrong to mark something "fix released" if it's only a workaround for one piece of software, and doesn't fix the underlying cause. [07:23] whinerWhiner Whin"er, n. One who, or that which, whines. [1913 Webster] [07:23] Oh, and what happened to the radiotap interface that used to be in ipw3945? iwl3945 doesn't have the same feature. [07:25] DanaG, it's hacked around in the bonic component. you should add another section for the ubuntu kernel component ? [07:25] so since it's "fixed" in the bonic component then it's marked as fixed. [07:30] hey [07:30] why no more xorgcfg/xorgconfig? [07:31] they were the only way to get ubuntu running in vmware with a resolution higher than 800x600 [07:31] well except writing xorg.conf by hand [07:31] I've added the assignment and note about linux-source-2.6.24. [07:31] i understand the new xorg7.3 is better at autoconfiguring stuff [07:31] but that doesnt work for the vmware video driver [07:32] really lame, considering how many people run ubuntu in a vm [07:35] you can still write your video resolutions in xorg.conf [07:35] by hand? [07:35] why would i have to write em by hand [07:35] when i had tools to do that :| [07:36] all i see here is a regression [07:36] * crdlb notes that alphas often have regressions [07:36] anyone know what kernal Hardy runs? [07:37] krenel* [07:37] ... [07:37] moin [07:37] haha [07:37] you get the idea [07:37] anybody know where nautilus support for network: urls has run off to in hardy? [07:37] crdlb: im sure final will still have that regression [07:37] !info linux-generic | kousotu [07:37] kousotu: linux-generic (source: linux-meta): Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.24.5.6 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB [07:38] mtaylor: nautilus just switched to gvfs [07:38] crdlb: ah... [07:38] so the connect to server dialog is currently missing [07:38] ah.. [07:38] I believe manually entering the correct url into ctrl+L does work though [07:38] Gutsy runs 2.6.22-14-Gen. [07:38] although I could be wrong [07:39] unless it's been updated and mine refuses to find it [07:39] lol [07:39] we are in 2008 and we still have to change screen resolution with cli. god. some alpha os i tried recently did better (ie, haiku) [07:39] rx4: I'm glad to hear you're so confident [07:40] rx4, i've heard osx & xp/vista do it better as well [07:40] sure they do [07:40] there is the 'screen and graphics' option [07:40] it doesnt work [07:40] for you [07:41] it's actually broken [07:41] (alpha regression again :D) [07:42] alpha's are fun ? [07:42] alpha is right. some folks get into the game not knowing the rules i guess [07:42] ive nothing against the cli. in fact, i was happy with xorgcfg -textmode to handle that issue with the vmware video driver. but they removed it from xorg7.3/xserver1.4 because they "think" xorg can now handle that stuff without xorg.conf [07:42] but it cant. [07:42] and im pissed :\ [07:42] it's an alpha, they make mistakes! [07:42] and they're allowed to [07:43] you have no right to be upset [07:43] hehe [07:43] unless you have a better alternative , which you obviously dont [07:44] i suggest someone disassembles osx's or xp/vista's graphics code and figure out how they're doing an awesome job ? [07:45] DarkMageZ: manufacturer support [07:45] disassembling will give us the secrets ? [07:45] and in the case of apple, they *are* the manufacturer :) [07:45] you're a mage.. figure it out [07:45] actually. asus makes the laptops. i'm not sure about the desktops tho. [07:46] we are talking about the vmware video driver here. and 1- the vmware video driver emulates some standard adapter 2- i think they have the specs [07:47] Gnine, it's called a fireball at each developer who failed to deliver quality code in the release ;p [07:48] good , wait in gutsy then [07:51] Gnine, you're obviously new around here. Ubuntu is based off a lot of other people's code. This causes the alphas/betas to reflect the quality of the release. by bitching early, then there's a chance they will get fixed. cause they don't fix stuff after the release. [07:52] 'bitching'? go to sleep [07:53] it's only 7pm here [09:02] hi all, I just sudo aptitude update & sudo aptitude full-upgrade but grub2 hasn't come while it has been successfully built about 5 hrs. ago. Why isn't it showing up? [09:18] heya [09:18] is the alpha4 discs out [09:19] i'm thinking yes. the announcement has been made... [09:21] err.. how come we dont have i686 editions ? [09:22] would like to take advantage of the hardware i have [09:23] i mean there is the amd64 edition.. but thats based on the AMD based processors and cpuflags [09:25] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-4/ [09:25] Gnine: yep.. just found that [09:26] i wish tho they got an i686 edition tho [09:27] sucks to have a core2quad and not be able to use its full potential [09:28] quick question [09:28] why isnt LVM/Raid in desktop install disc? [09:30] Assid, not sure but it is in the alternate install disk [09:31] blayde: yeah.. but would be nice to have that in the desktop disc too [09:31] Assid, i686 isn't even fully optimal for your chip. [09:31] Assid, i would imagine that's something they don't want the 'normal' people worrying about... but don't quote me on that [09:32] maybe have "advanced" and then let people choose their partitions and choose raid/ lvm from there? instead of just ext3 ? [09:32] Assid, ya and it bugs me that you _have_ to format the / dir [09:33] * Gnine likes ext3 [09:33] im thinking of installing onto an external drive of mine (usb based) [09:33] ... the desktop install cd is full. no more room. if you want advanced stuff you already have the alternative cd. [09:34] DarkMageZ: im sure modifying the installer a tiny bit like this and a package here and there wont cause too many problems [09:34] perhaps drop a few oddball packages out of the desktop cd instead? [09:34] :-/ [09:34] would be brilliant to have that.. im sure many people would appreciate it to have a nice gui doing what you need [09:34] extra kernel or 2? 30/60MB... [09:35] err.. hold up.. i need to login to another gateway to get faster speeds.. (*paying per hour) [09:35] wouldn't be perfect but maybe the installer could download special stuff for the advanced users. hmmm [09:36] so my tk-53 am testing 8.04 on is not advanced enough.. bummer [09:36] DarkMageZ: but i686 would be better than plain ol i386 [09:36] besides, switching your ketnel to i686 really isn't much of a performance improvement. might as well rebuild the entire system with the complete optimizations for your cpu. [09:37] now that is worth it ? [09:37] i say, compile it to your machine if you're so worried about ix86 whatever [09:38] exactly! [09:38] would be on gentoo then [09:38] hehe [09:38] DarkMageZ: not much difference? [09:39] Assid, you can do an analysis with tools to show a slight difference. but real-life actually using the system. pff. [09:40] dress up accordingly .. ? i say go ahead.. on a technicality [09:40] seriously. if you're gonna worry about your kernel being optimized for your specific cpu. then you seriously should just recompile the whole system with the good optimizations. [09:41] i'll be back soonish. got some work to do. [09:41] if i was curious enough i'd do it.. but i run on 64bit alright [09:42] okay so just use the right kernel and i should be ok [09:42] Gnine: what do you have? [09:42] tk-53 proc [09:42] they should make atleast a c2d based like thy did for amd64 [09:43] okay so if im installing on an external usb drive [09:43] what do i choose MBR based? [09:44] for the boot option? [09:49] anyone?!? [09:49] i dont want it messing with my windows setup hence the external drive. whenever i wanna run hardy.. i boot to it [09:50] Assid, im not really sure - grub uses some weird naming scheme... i'd google it... [09:50] didnt understand what to do [09:51] Assid, if you can find a wiki for grub there might be some help with getting the right name [09:52] sounds too tricky [09:52] specially on alpha sw [09:52] dont wanna install alpha sw on my main desktop otherwise.. [09:52] but it makes a great testing platform [09:53] you can make a new partition for it .. installing raid on usb? you need some leg work [09:53] nah no raid.. basic ext3 [09:53] I cannot logout on my hardy install. all panels & icons disappears but then I get 100% cpu usage and the only keys that works are ctrl-alt-del. not even ctrl-f1 works. any clues? [09:53] i just want to hit F8.. get the boot menu.. boot from the external drive [09:54] i installed hardy on a computer at my college w/o grub - i use a floppy disk to get to it [09:54] also, on a newly created user, every window I open (nautilus for example) gets placed in the top left corner without any borders. [09:54] the MBR is ON the drive you install right? [09:55] Assid, i think it is the first thing on the first disk... [09:55] Assid, so yes [09:55] !hardy | Konstigt [09:55] Konstigt: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu [09:55] frst disk ? then no.. [09:55] Gnine: ? [09:56] well if you're booting to the removable disk then it will be the first one [09:56] hrmm [09:56] i could disable my sata drives during install [09:56] make sure the damn thing doesnt touch it [09:56] think of it as windows PE.. just put in the USB .. and boot from it [09:57] that what i wanna do [09:57] i go blayde style , make a boot floppy for your usb install [09:57] except i have a USB->IDE drive [09:57] dont have a floppy drive [09:57] dont even want one of those ugly things.. to much failure rate [09:57] ya - i wouldn't mess with grub on a removable disk... [09:58] i forget what it is called but there is a nice floppy bootloader somewhere [09:58] Konstigt, your second problem sounds like a composition problem. have you tried turning off compiz-fusion? [09:59] i think its more than that going on [09:59] but 'i think' is a lame answer anyway [10:00] DarkMageZ: my laptop has an ati x1600 so I don't have the composite extension. also, in appearance, desktop effects is set to none. [10:00] Assid, also - im not totally for sure but i don't think ubuntu has the right stuff in the initramfs to do usb stuff :/ [10:01] i think it just might [10:01] DarkMageZ: but I got the problem after removing my user and creating it again so I'm with the default settings. [10:01] im gonna give it a whirl as soon as the disc finishes [10:01] Konstigt, as the user with the border problem could you throw into a terminal "metacity --replace" [10:02] Assid, good luck then - i'm gonna go get some sleep now [10:02] l8z m8 [10:02] Konstigt: i got compiz running on radeon 9000 mobility.. a super old dell d600 [10:03] Assid, radeon 9000 mobility is covered by xorg's ati yes?. neither xorg ati nor fglrx are working with composition on x1600 yet. [10:04] fglrx works with xorg server 1.3 branch but not 1.4 (which is what hardy runs) [10:04] fglrx's composition works* [10:04] i wonder how well the nvidia 8600gts would work [10:06] i lack nvidia cards, so i don't absorb information about their status ? [10:06] fair enough [10:07] 1 thing i did notice on my laptop however.. even tho avant is running when i shut down.. it never starts up next time on login.. i have to start it up again myself [10:07] which file do i edit to have it run automatically after compiz boots up [10:08] hrmm 50% done.. 1/2 hr to go [10:08] Assid, iirc. system > preferences > sessions. [10:09]