[00:58] <sabotage> kyleN_: after reading through the code for gtk-theme-switch, it seems to only update gtk rc settings and not in a system wide way, but only by users ~/.gtk-2.0/gtkrc file
[00:59] <kyleN_> sabotage: does it do it system wide for the current user?
[00:59] <sabotage> so its assuming a desktop env  with multiple users, not quite what we're trying to address, but could be adapted to our needs
[00:59] <sabotage> yes/no...
[00:59] <kyleN_> sabotage: not sure the multiple users assumption is relevant for a MID though
[01:00] <sabotage> settings in users home dir take precedence over system wide, so it *looks* system wide 
[01:00] <sabotage> agreed
[01:00] <sabotage> also, it's missing some key subsystem settings 
[01:01] <kyleN_> looking sys wide may be good enough
[01:01] <kyleN_> what's missing?
[01:01] <sabotage> like matchbox, icons, gconf settings and backgrounds
[01:01] <kyleN_> matchbox and backgrounds strike me as critical
[01:01] <sabotage> not if we don't have a "user" (we do now, but not sure if that will stay the case)
[01:02] <sabotage> background is actually quite /interesting/
[01:02] <sabotage> ;)
[01:02] <sabotage> setting the X background does nothing for us
[01:02] <kyleN_> why, on one ever sees that?
[01:02] <sabotage> the background is HomeArea dependant
[01:03] <sabotage> so if the UI is flash based, then we need to get the flash plugin to change its bg image
[01:03] <sabotage> if it's HTML/Xul based, then we need to effect the DOM settings via CSS or some Javascript interface
[01:03] <kyleN_> well, the home plugin flash shows sometimes, then it reverts to the normal marquee + app when an app launches
[01:04] <sabotage> and if we use Clutter, well, I've no idea yet how that gets changed yet ;)
[01:04] <kyleN_> right, those are good points. our specific need is flash home ui, user changes it, then the rest of the UI gets the same fonts/colors/gtk theme
[01:05] <sabotage> but when the app goes away, then the flash ui shows again and I assume you want the bg changes to be persistant, right?
[01:05] <kyleN_> the flash ui is full screen
[01:05] <kyleN_> so there is no bg
[01:05] <sabotage> most of the rest is very doable...just not 100% sure how we'll tackle the background
[01:06] <kyleN_> where's the background if the flash ui is full screen?
[01:06] <StevenK> Behind the flash ui, I'm guessing
[01:06] <sabotage> that's a misnomer...the HTML ui and the Clutter ui are also "fjull screen", but all of them have "background" like properties that users will want to alter
[01:06] <kyleN_> right - invisible, right?
[01:07] <sabotage> no, embedded in the flash SWF
[01:07] <kyleN_> ah, our short term need does not involve the user changing it
[01:07] <kyleN_> say, two flash movies, with two equivalent themes. not user configurables
[01:07] <sabotage> does your idea of changing the theme involve sending a message to the flash ui to change its colors. etc...?
[01:07] <kyleN_> actually, there are multiple flash movies, i believe
[01:08] <kyleN_> the user can switch between them
[01:08] <kyleN_> they have a different look and feel
[01:08] <kyleN_> when the user switches, we want all the rest to switch too
[01:08] <sabotage> ok for now I suppose, but most users will expect to be able to set an image in their photo viewer/library to the screen background
[01:08] <kyleN_> that is, they switch, then launch an app, flash goes away
[01:08] <sabotage> right?
[01:08] <kyleN_> marquee and app are themes to match the flash move
[01:09] <kyleN_> yes, that will be nice but it is not a deliverable for the custom team right now
[01:09] <kyleN_> the other is
[01:09] <sabotage> ah, you're switching the HomeArea applet then...that's a bit different, not really "theme" related
[01:09] <kyleN_> we switch, then the REST switches accordingly
[01:09] <kyleN_> automatically
[01:09] <kyleN_> where the REST is colors fonts and gtk theme
[01:09] <sabotage> ok
[01:10] <kyleN_> you think that is likely to be doable without too much mountain climbing?
[01:10] <sabotage> so then the "REST" you are refering to should be doable
[01:10] <kyleN_> excellent!
[01:10] <sabotage> the current tool is a bit insufficient but adaptable.
[01:10] <kyleN_> i figure when the flash switches, it uses out javasscript api to make the appropriate calls, whatever they turn out to be
[01:11] <sabotage> I've a running list of thing it needs to be adapted to do
[01:11] <kyleN_> this will be a big help
[01:11] <sabotage> I'm not promising to *DO
[01:12] <sabotage> * the changes ;)
[01:12] <sabotage> though I'll probably take a stab at it as it relates to the rest of the theme work I am doing
[01:12] <kyleN_> right. whatever you can do, even if it is just invistigate and report, that will be a help
[01:12] <sabotage> it's just not on our POR to provide a theme switcher
[01:12] <sabotage> yep
[01:13] <kyleN_> cool. I'd like to stay in touch on this
[01:13] <kyleN_> but for now, our week in Hillsboro is just about OVER!
[01:13] <sabotage> I'll send my notes to the mail list once I get back on the Intel network
[01:13] <kyleN_> back to soggy massachusetts
[01:13] <kyleN_> cool
[01:13] <sabotage> soggy or snowy?
[01:13] <kyleN_> soggy, i hear. 
[01:14] <kyleN_> was snowy though. we had three snowfalls of 10-12 inches each earlier
[03:13] <feng_> ;d
[03:13] <feng_> ;dls
[03:17] <feng_> sorry for the mis-input, just tried  a new BT keyboard
[23:09] <Termy2007> hi.. i want to ged rid of windows mobile 2003 se on my t-mobile pda... will ubuntu mobile be available for this device?
[23:10] <Termy2007> can anyone help me?
[23:23] <ComradeHaz> Evening gent's. Pretty sure I know the answer, and pretty sure it's no - but has ubuntu mobile made it onto any HTC Kaisers yet?