[00:06] <PriceChild> LjL, http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/01/1555247&from=rss
[00:07] <PriceChild> no0tic, you might like that too
[00:10] <Seeker`> I suspect the lawyers will find a way round it
[00:13] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[00:13] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[00:13] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[00:14] <Seeker`> PriceChild: how was your early morning lecture thing?
[00:14] <PriceChild> uneventful as always
[00:15] <nalioth> .... and they keep trying new ways
[00:15] <Seeker`> nice
[00:16] <PriceChild> what was different about that one?
[00:17] <nalioth> last few days, it seems they've (i think it's just one guy) been using non-alphanumerics
[00:18] <Seeker`> nalioth: how does that make a difference?
[00:18] <nalioth> Seeker`: it doesn't
[00:18] <nalioth> but the fact that they are doing it, makes me think THEY think it does
[00:19] <PriceChild> or that they've been told that it does
[00:21] <Seeker`> maybe someone should start a story on whatever site that script kiddies use that tells them that every time they do a DCC exploit, they lose 100MB RAM
[00:44] <PriceChild> Hey there ikonia.
[00:44] <PriceChild> gah
[00:44] <PriceChild> iKap,
[00:45] <iKap> chi
[00:45] <iKap> hi*
[00:45] <iKap> sorry i had to go earlier
[00:46] <LjL> FYI: [23:30:42] <htns> your name is Lorenzo J. Lucchini
[00:46] <LjL> (that's 22:30 UTC)
[00:46] <LjL> i don't know what that should mean
[00:47] <nalioth> LjL: means he can read and understands /whois output
[00:47] <LjL> yes, that's a sure thing it means
[00:47] <iKap> PriceChild, are you there?
[00:52] <PriceChild> iKap, I'm here yes.
[00:53] <iKap> PriceChild, yeah sorry i had to sing off earlier.. but yeah i messaged you.
[00:53] <iKap> sign*
[00:55] <PriceChild> So how can I help you iKap?
[01:48] <Pici> woo
[01:48] <PriceChild> hmm?
[01:48] <Pici> I just got auto-hilighting working on my bantracker fork.
[01:50] <Pici> It will hilight all the nicks in the associated event log by matching the ban or nick against the host of each logged line.
[01:50] <Pici> s/all the nicks/the banned/kicked/whatever nicks/
[01:52] <PriceChild> coolios
[01:56] <LjL> Pici: that was the easy part... not make the *nick* highlighted in a *ban* event, and the *hostmask* highlighted in a *kick* event :)
[01:56] <LjL> s/not/now/
[01:56] <LjL> how's this
[01:56] <LjL> i can understand consistently mispelling now as not
[01:56] <LjL> but when i want to write now i write not, and when i want tow rite not i write now
[02:13] <Pici> LjL: If its a kick, it appends !*@* to the pattern to match against and runs it against whoever said each log line, if its a ban/mute no need to add that.
[02:14] <Pici> I need to add realname to the log table now, so it'll hilight for that too.
[02:17] <LjL> Pici, for realname you need to /who or /whois though
[02:18] <Pici> Yeah.. /me thinks
[03:22] <jdong> PriceChild: is tulroe out of the closet or did someone use the merge button too generously? :D
[03:23] <PriceChild> jdong, pardon?
[03:23] <jdong> 22:22 -!- PriceChild [n=tulroe@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild]
[03:23] <jdong> L. O. L.
[03:24]  * jdong watches PriceChild pull out the men in black flashy stick
[04:17] <PriceChild> I assume that was a death? the rejoins are pretty staggered.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: netsplit?
[04:26] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, well some staggered back in, then netsplit rejoined, then a load more staggered
[04:26] <PriceChild> maybe they just flooded off
[04:26] <Hobbsee> unsure
[04:26] <PriceChild> Floodbots kept all out of -unregged woop woop.
[04:36] <Cpudan80> Alert
[04:36] <Cpudan80> Morons in #ubuntu
[04:37] <Cpudan80> Didn't want to hit the !ops thing -- for obvious reasons
[04:37] <Cpudan80> WebCave
[04:38] <ubotu> Cpudan80 called the ops in #ubuntu (WebCave)
[04:39] <Cpudan80> Not great when they "like to be evil"
[04:40] <PriceChild> Cpudan80, obvious reasons?
[04:40] <Cpudan80> PriceChild: Well sometimes it makes people go haywire
[04:40] <Cpudan80> Was trying to avoid that
[04:40] <PriceChild> who go haywire? us or the troll?
[04:41] <Cpudan80> No - I mean the users in #ubuntu
[04:41] <Cpudan80> They all start messing with the bot and what not
[05:40] <tritium> @btlogin
[08:16] <ompaul> is there a -fixconnection kind of channel?
[08:17] <ompaul> for people who do things like crash out every two or three mins?>
[08:24] <Ash908> this where i should report someone having an on-join advertisement message on one of the ubuntu channels?
[08:27] <ompaul> Ashfire908, can you fix your connection?
[08:27] <Ashfire908> please
[08:27] <ompaul> Ashfire908, and who is doing the on join
[08:27] <ompaul> and what is the onjoin
[08:28] <Ashfire908> Angelina27 in #ubuntu
[08:28] <Ashfire908> "I am in my W E B C A M enters and we spoke. Kisses! WWW.PUTA.COM.AR"
[08:29] <ompaul> back in a moment after this commercial break
[08:30] <Ashfire908> k
[10:42] <jpatrick> guys: ali in #u
[10:42] <jpatrick> offtopic and won't talk english
[10:43] <jpatrick> *sign*
[10:46] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (ali - flood, spam, ot)
[10:46] <jpatrick> you guys asked for it!
[10:47] <jpatrick> Madpilot: cheers
[10:47] <Madpilot> np
[11:30] <jpatrick> pronflake in #u - appropiate?
[11:31]  * jpatrick wonders if he's the only one watching over #u
[11:33] <jpatrick> Warning: ** N0ob [n=werj@212.154.254.19] has joined #ubuntu
[11:36] <jussi01> jpatrick: no, but I dont have powa's there either...
[11:36] <jussi01> hmmm does [13:34] *** etotheipi [i=bunnyrap@bunnyrape.com] has joined #ubuntu
[11:36] <jussi01> seem appropriate?
[11:37] <jpatrick> jussi01: god, seems only we #k ops are around :)
[11:37] <jussi01> jpatrick: yeah, fun...
[11:52] <jpatrick> looks like ompaul's back to fight crime :D
[11:52] <jussi01> lol
[11:53] <ompaul> jpatrick, hehe
[11:55] <ompaul> espousing rape is not within the terms of the CoC as far as I am aware ban that one guys
[11:55] <ompaul> ban forward it to here
[11:57] <ompaul> jussi01, ^^
[11:57] <ompaul> jpatrick, ^^
[11:57] <jussi01> ompaul: thats in #u, not my area
[11:57] <ompaul> ack thought it was in k
[11:57] <ompaul> it be dead in u
[11:57] <jussi01> :)
[11:59]  * ompaul thinks about having a #ubuntu-trollz channel and ban forward all the trolls there they are all muted and they get a greeting please see guidelines and CoC on the way in - with a comment that trolling stopped being funny in 1997
[11:59]  * ompaul grins in a most evil way
[12:01] <jussi01> hehe
[13:07] <ubotu> In ubotu, kirved said: what is mhat medibuntu (medicopter)
[13:07] <jpatrick> 07:14 < nemilar> SUP BRO!?!?
[13:08] <ompaul> ahh don't mind him - douglas adams as far as I can see - mostly harmless
[13:08] <jpatrick> ompaul: mostly harmless?!
[13:09] <ompaul> jpatrick, he is mostly answering in an ok fashion - that was just someone punching the right button "yo!"
[13:09] <ompaul> see it two lines above the one you quote
[13:09] <jpatrick> yeah, I was just carrying on the joke ;)
[15:21] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, metafoo said: !erisco esvn is a gui for svn written in Qt
[15:37] <jpatrick> !info esvn
[15:37] <ubotu> esvn (source: esvn): frontend for the Subversion revision system written in Qt. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.11+1-4ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 380 kB, installed size 1116 kB
[16:01] <jenda> heya, zenwhen
[16:01] <zenwhen> how ya been jenda?
[16:01] <jenda> busy :)
[16:02] <jenda> yourself?
[16:02] <zenwhen> sitting around at this point in the morning?
[16:03] <zenwhen> what you busy with?
[16:03] <jenda> it's 5 pm here ;)
[16:03] <jenda> and I'm working - translating
[16:03] <jenda> trying to make a few bucks :)
[16:04] <zenwhen> cool,
[16:09] <ubotu> Scunizi called the ops in #ubuntu (Miller04)
[16:19] <zenwhen> Who is it that manages the ops list in #ubuntu?
[16:19] <LjL> zenwhen: the list of !ops you mean?
[16:19] <zenwhen> I suppose that is what I mean.
[16:19] <LjL> zenwhen: what's the problem with it?
[16:20] <zenwhen> Oh, no. I meant who is able to grant operator privs in the channel?
[16:20] <LjL> the IRC council
[16:20] <zenwhen> How does one apply?
[16:20] <LjL> one doesn't :)
[16:21] <zenwhen> oh?
[16:21] <zenwhen> That seemed a bit blunt.
[16:21] <LjL> operators are appointed by the council when a need for more operators is felt, and chosen by observing people's behavior and helpfulness in the channels
[16:21] <LjL> well, better direct than lying
[16:21] <Seveas> zenwhen, asking for operator privileges is a sure way of never getting them :)
[16:21] <LjL> see - *that's* a blunt way of putting it really
[16:21] <LjL> mine wasn't
[16:22] <Seveas> it's still true
[16:22] <LjL> never said otherwise
[16:22] <Seveas> :)
[16:22] <PriceChild> zenwhen, when we need new ops, we usually invite those contributing most to the channel.
[16:22] <Seveas> LjL, can I be an op too please?
[16:23] <Seveas> hehe
[16:23] <Seveas> time for some proper op abuse
[16:23] <jussi01> hehe
[16:24] <zenwhen> Extending an offer of assistance is held against a person by the IRC council?
[16:25] <zenwhen> I'll be sure to remember that, I suppose. I have been opping for a long time in one of the channels, and thought I would see if I could be used elsewhere.
[16:25] <Seveas> Extending an offer of assistance is a different thing than asking for privileges
[16:26] <mc44> like they say about politicians, wanting to be one should automatically exclude you ;)
[16:26] <Seveas> heh
[16:26] <Seveas> mc44, so if I say, 'do you want to be kicked' and you say yes, then I shouldn't kick you
[16:27] <zenwhen> I apologize if I broke some unwritten rule. Also, the only worthwhile assistance I can provide to an IRC channel is op duties. This is the most standoffish situation I have experienced since being in the community.
[16:27] <LjL> zenwhen: nothing is held against a person really, the point is that we found that the best ops are the people who'd never think about asking for op status, and even initially refuse it when proposed
[16:27] <LjL> but that's just one parameter
[16:27] <Seveas> LjL fought for a month before accepting a +o
[16:28] <mc44> so there are exceptions to that rule ;)
[16:28] <LjL> !guidelines | zenwhen, they're written down
[16:28] <ubotu> zenwhen, they're written down: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[16:28] <zenwhen> I have always found that a person who is eager to help with help eagerly.
[16:28]  * jpatrick was offered to become an op by Riddell
[16:28] <zenwhen> will*
[16:28] <LjL> zenwhen: help != op status...
[16:28] <LjL> #ubuntu is mostly a support channel
[16:28] <LjL> the main asset in the #ubuntu channel is someone who is able to help people well with support problems
[16:28] <LjL> ops are mostly just a cleaner's role
[16:29] <zenwhen> Gonna just go back to my corner now. never thought of "op" as a "status" role. :)
[16:29] <LjL> and with a lower wage
[16:29] <jpatrick> ...
[16:29] <Pici> ...
[16:29] <Seveas> ....
[16:29] <LjL> he's the #ubuntuforums contact in case anyone's wondering
[16:29] <Seveas> .....
[16:29] <Seveas> ......
[16:29] <LjL> oh, and ...
[16:29] <Seveas> .......
[16:29] <jpatrick> |    . |
[16:29] <Seveas> |      |  .
[16:30] <jpatrick> |      |        '
[16:30] <Seveas> ........
[16:30] <Seveas> box!
[16:30]  * LjL will go back in his cleaner's role
[16:30] <PriceChild> :( feel bad for zenwhen
[16:30] <LjL> /kick sevesa or /kick jpatrick, that is the question
[16:31] <LjL> i thought /cs lart
[16:31] <Seveas> neh
[16:31] <jpatrick> ** zenwhen [n=zenwhen@ubuntu/member/zenwhen] has left #ubuntu []
[16:32] <PriceChild> jpatrick, hmm?
[16:33] <jpatrick> PriceChild: just saying that he /left #u :(
[16:33] <PriceChild> ok
[16:33] <PriceChild> Yeah he's really pissed off.
[16:33] <nalioth> what's happened now?
[16:34] <LjL> nalioth: we're now officially in bad diplomatic relations with #uf
[16:34] <Seveas> nalioth, zenwhen wondered how to apply for ops in #ubuntu, we told him one doesn't and asking for ops is a sure way of not becoming one
[16:34] <nalioth> oh? when did we get off of 'bad relations' to 'good relations' in the first place?
[16:35] <LjL> well i dunno. pricechild is an op in both places
[16:35] <LjL> i guess we should drop him :)
[16:35] <Seeker`> LjL: What happened to make relations worse?
[16:35] <LjL> Seeker`: pissing off the contact?
[16:35] <PriceChild> Seeker`, see above.
[16:36] <Pici> I havent seen him enough in #ubuntu to ever remember him.
[16:37] <nalioth> Pici: exactly
[16:37] <LjL> yeah. the point really is that we hardly care who you are, we care about who you've been in #ubuntu
[16:37] <nalioth> right, LjL
[16:40] <PriceChild> Next time could we be a little nicer? Explain how we usually pick ops after watching people in #ubuntu etc. ?
[16:40] <LjL> i did?
[16:42] <Seeker`> LjL: I think he means that instead of just a short, blunt reply when people ask how you apply to be an op, tell them that they are picked from watching #ubuntu  straight away
[16:42] <LjL> Seeker`: which i gave?
[16:43] <Seeker`> LjL: Only after zenwhen pointed out that it was a blunt reply
[16:44] <zenwhen> !guidelines
[16:44] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[16:44] <zenwhen> Well, I'll be darned, it is in there.
[16:45] <LjL> Seeker`: do you really think i can type a sentence like that in *one second*?
[16:46] <Seeker`> No, but you could skip the "one doesn't :)" statment, and just go straight for the longer, more informative version
[16:46] <LjL> 1) it has a smiley 2) it's factually correct
[16:47] <zenwhen> 3) you could have typed !guidelines just as quickly
[16:47] <Seeker`> simileys dont stop things being blunt, neither does being factually correct
[16:47] <LjL> zenwhen: and you'd have found *that* more polite?
[16:47] <PriceChild> LjL, the problem hasn't been with the facts you have given.
[16:47] <zenwhen> I could have read and been informed instead of being belittled.
[16:48] <zenwhen> I've NEVER been responded to like that by anyone in this community.
[16:49] <nalioth> zenwhen: most of the cruft that was directed toward you earlier was just that.... cruft.
[16:49] <zenwhen> Which is a big reason I have beens so happy to volunteer my time on the forums for the last two years, where I asked for staff privileges and was granted them.
[16:49] <nalioth> zenwhen: we do watch folks in #ubuntu and see how they are with folks when we decide who we want to seek out
[16:49] <LjL> [Sat Feb 2 2008] [17:20:36] <zenwhen>   How does one apply?
[16:49] <LjL> [Sat Feb 2 2008] [17:20:41] <LjL>       one doesn't :)
[16:49] <LjL> [Sat Feb 2 2008] [17:21:18] <LjL>       operators are appointed by the council when a need for more operators is felt, and chosen by observing people's behavior and helpfulness in the channels
[16:49] <LjL> ok, add !guidelines to that
[16:50] <LjL> but sorry, i felt like being verbose at the time
[16:50] <LjL> next time i'll just use the bot like i usually do
[16:50] <LjL> i think the above is a factually correct and not impolite description of how the process works.
[16:51] <Seeker`> LjL: Both lines together are fine, its the fact that there is a time lag while you are typing the second line, which makes it seem like you are only responding with "one doesn't", which comes across as being blunt
[16:51] <LjL> !enter | ljl then
[16:51] <ubotu> ljl then: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:52] <LjL> but if the difference between a polite and reasonable answer and a "way you've never been responded to in the community" is a newline character...
[16:52] <zenwhen> Well, I disagree. That matters very little though. I'll be over in the forums channel. I can see that I am not needed as a volunteer for that channel now. I just had to find out in a way that gave me a very bad taste in my mouth.
[16:52] <LjL> well, if that's the difference, i really need to be more careful when i type
[16:52] <zenwhen> Have a wonderful day.
[16:54] <Seeker`> LjL: Very small changes in what you type can totally change the meaning of what you say - especially when you dont have visual clues etc. to see what people actually mean
[16:54] <LjL> zenwhen: you're needed as a volunteer, like everyone else who is able to offer support. but... i don't see a single message from you in #ubuntu in the last 300000 lines of my logs
[16:55] <LjL> (just grepped that many because my grep is slow)
[16:55] <LjL> so, what stopped you from volunteering? i'm really unsure that +o is needed to help in the channel (actually i think it can easily make it harder)
[16:56] <zenwhen> I am not arguing that I am worthy of ops based upon your guidelines. I  obviously am not.
[16:56] <zenwhen> I just did not know them.
[16:56] <LjL> who cares about the guidelines
[16:56] <LjL> i'm saying
[16:56] <LjL> if you can offer technical support in the channel, then go ahead and offer it
[16:56] <zenwhen> I am certainly cpable and am on IRC a lot. I figured as an ubuntu project it was my duty to offer help where I think I am capable.
[16:57] <mc44> Seeker`: on irc, it's hard to convey tone. Sometimes something may seem offensive, but part of being a good community is being able to see that things are said with good intent and not meant to be insulting
[16:57] <LjL> having +o but not following the channel isn't generally very useful
[16:57] <zenwhen> I offered it in a manner that obviously is not acceptable, and I perhaps should have read the guidelines.
[16:57] <zenwhen> having +o would mean I would follow the channel. I was offering purely administrative assistance.
[16:58] <Seeker`> mc44: I understand that, but it also means that you have to think about what you are typing and how it could be interpreted
[16:59] <zenwhen> If that is not needed, I am not worried about it. My only issue is that I had two people being pretty rude to me in my opinion for asking to help. I dont think thats a good way to handle a volunteer based support effort.
[16:59] <LjL> zenwhen: ah, i think i understand now. yes, there is a difference between your view and the view we give in the guidelines: our view assumes that, to be a good op, one must have been a good "support-helper". so "administrative-only help" is not contemplated. now, your view may well have merits, but it's different from ours
[16:59] <Seeker`> mc44: For example, a single capital letter is the difference between "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse" and something rather more unpleasent
[17:00] <zenwhen> That is certainly fine.
[17:00] <mc44> Seeker`: what a helpful example. No one can make sure everything they say isn't misinterpreted. Everyone here is human.
[17:00] <LjL> zenwhen: and to try and defend ours, i'll say that it has the advantage that people are only judged by what they've done in the relevant channel, not by hearsay or by what they've done somewhere else (which may work in a different way). those are IMHO advantages. it certainly does have disadvantages too (and your view certainly does have advantages)
[17:00] <LjL> no scheme of things is perfect, that i know of :)
[17:00] <zenwhen> The job description doesn't fit my skill set. :) I never was a tech support guy unless I was able to be hands on with people.
[17:01] <zenwhen> Like I said, my ONLY goal was to see if there was a place I could be helping more than I am.
[17:01] <nalioth> zenwhen: tech support in #ubuntu is "hands on" (you can't do it from #ubuntuforums, for instance)
[17:02] <Seeker`> mc44: I'm not saying people should be perfect all the time, but if someone points out something is too blunt etc., they should accept that it came across wrong and take it into account in the future
[17:02] <mc44> Seeker`: and perhaps people should accept it wasn't meant as being blunt and take it into account too
[17:02] <Seeker`> mc44: I agree with that too
[17:02] <zenwhen> blunt isnt what you mean. its how you come across.
[17:03] <LjL> zenwhen: some forms of support are pretty easy to give, though. a good percentage of the questions are asked over and over, and we have bot factoids, and learning to know those factoids is an asset. everyone can also help "administratively" by calling the !ops factoid in emergencies, and although that's not the same as *being* an op (it's bound to be slower, obviously), it certainly tends to alert the ops pretty fast
[17:03] <mc44> zenwhen: "didnt mean to come across as blunt"
[17:03] <zenwhen> mc44: "wasn't meant as being blunt "
[17:03] <zenwhen> two different things
[17:04] <mc44> yes, the point is the same though. No ill intent was meant. IRC isn't the best form of communication in the world.
[17:04] <mc44> No one was trying to belittle you
[17:05] <zenwhen> Well, they certainly could have done a better job of not appearing to be doing so.
[17:06] <zenwhen> Look, I don't want to cause some big stink. I just wanted to help. I'm not holding grudges here. Don't worry about it.
[17:08]  * LjL removes Enter from his keyboard
[17:08] <LjL> and also has to go away for a bit
[17:09] <zenwhen> (think he had to hit enter to do that last line?)
[19:10] <PriceChild> Incoming.
 My bots
 no
 not ban
[19:10] <PriceChild> (also at same location)
[19:10] <Edsadsasdadack> Hello
[19:11] <PriceChild> Hey there Edsadsasdadack, what's happenning?
[19:11] <Edsadsasdadack> My bots
[19:11] <Edsadsasdadack> I killd them
[19:11] <Edsadsasdadack> Anyway
[19:12] <Edsadsasdadack> Ubuntu same as other distro's doesnt work on my laptop
[19:12] <Edsadsasdadack> HP compaq 6715s
[19:12] <PriceChild> You haven't killed them, they are still there.
[19:12] <Edsadsasdadack> Some stupid integrated graphic card
[19:12] <PriceChild> Edsadsasdadack, why did you join all those bots? What are you doing?
[19:12] <Edsadsasdadack> ATI
[19:12] <Edsadsasdadack> Nothing
[19:12] <PriceChild> Edsadsasdadack, why did you join all those bots? What are you doing?
[19:14] <PriceChild> Edsadsasdadack, Please answer my question.
[19:14] <Edsadsasdadack> I was just testing
[19:14] <PriceChild> testing?
[19:14] <Edsadsasdadack> my Java IRC program
[19:14] <PriceChild> testing what?
[19:14] <jrib> interesting series of quits in #ubuntu, about 10 n=javabot@89.164.164.204
[19:15] <Edsadsasdadack> i killed them anyway
[19:15] <PriceChild> And instead of random nicks, you chose ubuntu sucks things?
[19:15] <PriceChild> jrib, see the discussion above.
[19:15] <jrib> ah
[19:15] <PriceChild> jrib, see also my ban in #ubuntu on the joins
[19:15] <Edsadsasdadack> Was i banned?
[19:15] <PriceChild> Edsadsasdadack, you are still banned.
[19:15] <Edsadsasdadack> ??
[19:15] <Edsadsasdadack> I am??
[19:15] <Edsadsasdadack> I am not
[19:15]  * jrib catches up
[19:16] <Edsadsasdadack> I am not banned :)
[19:16] <PriceChild> Edsadsasdadack, you are banned. The channel is +z so only people who are +o can see what you say.
[19:16] <Edsadsasdadack> Ohhh
[19:16] <Edsadsasdadack> Can you remove ban?
[19:16] <PriceChild> Can you answer my questions?
[19:16] <Edsadsasdadack> Ok
[19:16] <Edsadsasdadack> shoot
[19:16] <PriceChild> Edsadsasdadack, why did you join all those bots? What are you doing?
[19:17] <Edsadsasdadack> Hmm, I was programming that program in java for my school, and i am listeing some internet radio, and typing this here
[19:17] <Edsadsasdadack> I just tested, to see if it works
[19:17] <LjL> and while you were at it, you gave them nick such as "UbuntuSux"
[19:18] <PriceChild> You tested a program to join lots of bots in #ubuntu with trollish names?
[19:18] <LjL> tell me, does this channel topic say "The ops are idiots, who will believe anything you tell them?"
[19:18] <Edsadsasdadack> OMG, i was bored, i am trying to start ubuntu 5 days now
[19:18] <LjL> maybe someone changed it but the server was out of sync
[19:18] <PriceChild> You were bored of trying to get ubuntu to work... so you decided on a whim it'd be cool to join troll-named bots?
[19:19] <PriceChild> What's to stop you doing it again?
[19:19] <Edsadsasdadack> Jesus, they were on server 1 min
[19:19] <Edsadsasdadack> I killed them after Dave2 asked me to
[19:19] <PriceChild> What's to say you won't join a whole lot more next time... or make them all speak "ubuntu sucks"?
[19:20] <Edsadsasdadack> I dont have anything good for doing that
[19:20] <Edsadsasdadack> I can only get ban, like i did
[19:20] <PriceChild> yet...
[19:20] <PriceChild> which is why you're testing>/
[19:20] <Edsadsasdadack> ?
[19:21] <PriceChild> You don't have anything good for doing what i've described "yet", which is why you're testing what you have so far?
[19:22] <Edsadsasdadack> I dont understand, anyway i tested bots only to see if they are operational
[19:22] <PriceChild> why do you have bots in the first place?
[19:22] <Edsadsasdadack> It is for my school project
[19:22] <Edsadsasdadack> And they can't talk in channel or anything, just join
[19:23] <PriceChild> Your school project is to make a mass join of bots in a channel?
[19:23] <PriceChild> I thought it was because you were bored trying to get ubuntu working so did that?
[19:23] <Edsadsasdadack> my school project was to make an IRC bot
[19:23] <PriceChild> Ok fed up of this conversation... so here's a new question.
[19:23] <Edsadsasdadack> i made feature to run more than 1 instance of bot
[19:24] <PriceChild> Edsadsasdadack, did you not think to ask the owners of the channel for permission to join bots?
[19:24] <Edsadsasdadack> ??? i thought taht it is a public channel
[19:24] <Edsadsasdadack> sorry
[19:24] <LjL> Edsadsasdadack: can you smoke in a public place?
[19:24] <LjL> in many public places here, you can't
[19:24] <PriceChild> Would you ride a bike inside a library?
[19:24] <Edsadsasdadack> I my country you can, but i dont smoke
[19:24] <Edsadsasdadack> No i wouldnt ride a bike
[19:25] <Edsadsasdadack> in lib
[19:25] <LjL> Edsadsasdadack: why?
[19:25] <PriceChild> but its a public place?
[19:25] <Edsadsasdadack> That would be stupid, to ride a bike in a library
[19:25] <PriceChild> why?
[19:25] <PriceChild> because it would annoy other people in there if you hit them by acciadent?
[19:25] <Edsadsasdadack> Because every1 would look at me like I am crazy
[19:25] <PriceChild> because it distracts them from their work?
[19:25] <Edsadsasdadack> Yeah
[19:26] <LjL> Edsadsasdadack: i think they would kick you out from the library, too... wouldn't they?
[19:26] <PriceChild> because it gets the floor dirty?
[19:26] <Edsadsasdadack> yes
[19:26] <LjL> Edsadsasdadack: and if you claimed that you "didn't know you couldn't ride a bike in the library", would they let you back in?
[19:27] <Edsadsasdadack> After some time they would, like one day
[19:27] <Edsadsasdadack> they would let me in if i dont go in there with bike
[19:27] <PriceChild> They'd have signs on the wall about what is allowed wouldn't they?
[19:27] <PriceChild> Like being quiet, and how long you can borrow books
[19:27] <Edsadsasdadack> Yes, of course
[19:27] <LjL> PriceChild: perhaps they wouldn't have sign for obvious things though - such that you can't ride bikes
[19:27] <PriceChild> they wouldn't have the bike thing... because that should be *common sense*
[19:27] <PriceChild> LjL, exactly
[19:27] <Edsadsasdadack> yes
[19:28] <PriceChild> however....
[19:28] <LjL> but they'd throw you out anyway if you do.
[19:28] <PriceChild> if we apply this analogy to #ubuntu
[19:28] <LjL> and yes, i suppose they *might* allow you back some day
[19:28] <LjL> same here
[19:28] <PriceChild> you might notice on our wall (/topic) there is some guidelines
[19:28] <PriceChild> and in those guidelines... it says a few things
[19:28] <LjL> some day is not today, so don't hold your breath, have fun, see you in some time
[19:28] <PriceChild> Edsadsasdadack, go read those guidelines please.
[19:29] <Edsadsasdadack> i read them
[19:29] <Edsadsasdadack> just link to some wiki page
[19:29] <PriceChild> Edsadsasdadack, go read them again, properly
[19:29] <PriceChild> read the wiki page
[19:29] <PriceChild> then come back in a few days when the librarian has calmed down
[19:54] <ompaul> oook
[19:55]  * ompaul is in a funny humour
[19:58] <PriceChild> hmm?
[19:58] <Seeker`> oook ooook
[19:58] <Gary> hmmm?
[19:58] <Gary> baaaa :-)
[19:58] <Seeker`> hmmmm?
[19:58] <ompaul> PriceChild, think terry pratchett
[19:59] <PriceChild> still not with you
[19:59] <ompaul> PriceChild, search for diskworld  librarian
[19:59] <Seeker`> PriceChild: The librarian in the university in the main city in discworld is an orangutan, and says "oook" a lot
[20:00] <Seeker`> in fact, almost exclusively
[20:00] <PriceChild> aha
[20:00] <ompaul> Full name: 	The Librarian
[20:00] <ompaul> (possibly formerly Dr. Horace Worblehat)
[20:01] <ompaul> woops it is discworld
[20:01] <ompaul> He speaks an elaborate language whose vocabulary consists of the single word Ook (and its antonym "eek" - where "ook" means yes, "eek" tends to mean no). Nonetheless, most people seem to be able to understand him. Both his language and his reaction were used separately and together as jokes in the first Discworld game.
[20:01] <ompaul> PriceChild, I will stop quoting wikipedia now
[20:37] <ubotu> In ubotu, kippy said: why is swap usage on my system always zero?
[20:38] <nalioth> ubotu: tell kippy about bot
[20:42] <ubotu> In ubotu, Gary said: ubotu, is this a good way to annoy the ops?
[20:42]  * Gary hides
[20:42]  * Seeker` prods Gary 
[20:43]  * Gary runs away
[20:43]  * jussi01 thinks about /ak Gary 
[20:43] <Seeker`> :O
[20:43] <jussi01> but doesnt cause gary is staff...
[20:43] <Seeker`> Gary: wimp
[20:43] <Seeker`> jussi01: Do it anyway - we do it all the time in -uk
[20:44] <Gary> if I deserve it, don't let my cloak stop you
[20:44] <jussi01> Seeker`: I wish I could... but no access in here
[20:44]  * nalioth thinks about /kline Gary 
[20:44] <nalioth> is that better?
[20:45] <jussi01> ooh, nice! :P
[20:45] <Gary> meh
[20:46] <Jack_Sparrow> And I thought I was punchy this week
[20:46] <jussi01> lol
[20:46] <LjL> Gary: and if you don't deserve it?
[20:46] <LjL> wait, don't answer that
[20:47] <nalioth> $500 USD to my paypal, and Gary goes bye-bye  :0
[20:47] <Gary> hahaaaa
[20:47] <LjL> i think i'll pass
[20:48] <jussi01> nalioth: Id give you 50c :P
[20:51] <jussi01> Martian: how can we help you?
[20:51] <Martian> I've need some advice about moderating in general. Since the ubuntu moderators are (or at least seem to be) very good, may I ask here?
[20:51] <jpatrick> oh my god, this Crysis is dumber than I thought
[20:52] <Martian> You seem to be busy. Sorry.
[20:53] <jussi01> heh, I go away for 1 sec..
[20:53]  * jpatrick bring him back
[20:54] <jpatrick> Martian: what's up mate?
[20:56] <jussi01> Martian: what was your question?
[20:56]  * jpatrick wonders what nal.oth did to Gary
[20:57] <jussi01> hehe..
[20:57] <Martian> How can you tell if someone is really a troll or just a dumb arrogant person with bad manners?
[20:58] <Jack_Sparrow> An d/a person will listen... a troll will not.
[20:58] <Martian> So give him a warning and if he stops he isn't a troll?
[20:58] <Jack_Sparrow> One way.. yes
[20:58] <nalioth> Martian: it is hard to tell at first
[20:59] <nalioth> Martian: the truly new users and trolls are sometimes very hard to tell apart
[20:59] <Martian> That makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
[21:00] <nalioth> new users may act trollish due to not being aware of any guidelines or expectations.  if they are sent !guidelines and such, and spoken with, the moral person will attempt to conform
[21:00] <nalioth> trolls, however, are devout non-conformists
[21:00] <jpatrick> hmm
[21:00] <nalioth> wtf is it with people leaving while they're being spoken to?
[21:01] <jpatrick> troll maybe?
[21:01] <LjL> :)
[21:02] <jpatrick> learning how to avoid being detected..
[21:02] <LjL> wouldn't surprise me *too* much
[21:05] <nalioth> the joke is gonna be on him, if he is a troll leaning camouflage
[21:07] <m0nk> LjL: you around im actually going to do this, this time with out being a jerk
[21:08] <PriceChild> m0nk, how many days has it been?
[21:08] <PriceChild> (Since you last spoke in here)
[21:08] <m0nk> well....the day before yesterday i was tlaking like a smart aleck
[21:09] <m0nk> and yesterday i didnt come by *fought the urge*
[21:09] <m0nk> so two
[21:09] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, radioman said: ubotu flood is detected, try flood again !!! ;D
[21:09] <ubotu> danbhfive called the ops in #ubuntu (radioman)
[21:10] <m0nk> but if anything came out of being banned...the boredom convinced me to clean my room...entirely
[21:12] <Seveas> m0nk, how many rooms are in that house?
[21:12] <m0nk> Seveas: its an apartment...theres 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms
[21:12] <m0nk> brb my mom is calling me
[21:12] <Seveas> ok, so 3 rooms to go
[21:12] <Seveas> that's 6 more days
[21:12] <Seveas> :)
[21:13] <m0nk> Seveas: thats just evil man
[21:14] <Seveas> I think it's an excellent idea
[21:14] <Seveas> banning people until they've done something useful
[21:14] <m0nk> Seveas: ive been learning C too tho!
[21:15] <m0nk> while (ban!=lifted)
[21:15] <m0nk> printf("Seveas ownz! ");
[21:15] <Seveas> makes no sense
[21:15] <Seveas> ban isn't a variable
[21:16] <Seeker`> neither is lifted
[21:16] <Seeker`> and there certainly isn't an int main() {
[21:16] <Seveas> lifted could be a constant
[21:16] <m0nk> lol
[21:16] <Seeker`> well, a ban could be constant :P
[21:16] <m0nk> i didnt wanna flood the op room with a joke code
[21:16] <m0nk> Seeker`: i thought Seveas was gonna say taht:|
[21:17] <Seveas> I'd say: while(mask_search(list_search(channel_list,'#ubuntu'), me.prefix) { puts("I'm still LjL's bitch\n"); }
[21:18] <m0nk> :| ouch
[21:18] <Seveas> and I still forgot a bit
[21:18] <m0nk> your C is superior to mine
[21:18] <m0nk> even still lol
[21:18] <Seveas> C's a bitch if you want to write dense code
[21:18] <m0nk> Seveas: yeah...i know but i wanted to learn it because just about everything has C in it somewhere
[21:19] <Seeker`> m0nk: Apart from Java programs.
[21:19] <Seveas> C is fairly simple
[21:19] <Seveas> but you've gotta now your glibc/susv3/posix and other libs relevant to your project
[21:19] <Seveas> s/now/know/
[21:19] <m0nk> Seveas: yep:) just gotta know how to smash if statements loops and so on into a useful program
[21:20] <Seveas> if statements and loops are for monkeys
[21:20] <Seeker`> GOTO ftw
[21:20] <Seveas> programming is all about specifications, documentation, algorithms, datastructures, protocols
[21:20]  * PriceChild scratches his armpits
[21:20] <Seveas> and standards, unless you're microsoft
[21:20] <m0nk> Seveas: lol
[21:20]  * Seeker` hates specs / docs
[21:21] <m0nk> Seveas: microsoft doesnt have to follow a standard because other companies will conform to them because most people use windows
[21:21] <Seveas> m0nk, not really
[21:21] <Seveas> tcp/ip is something they do follow
[21:21] <PriceChild> Anyone see Stephen Fry's prediction?
[21:21] <Seveas> otherwise they'd fall off the internet
[21:21] <Seveas> (which imho would be a good thing though)
[21:22] <m0nk> lol
[21:22] <m0nk> wouldnt hear about nasty hackers writing viruses all the time
[21:22] <m0nk> or those nasty hackers reading people's email and stealing credit cards
[21:23] <Seeker`> PriceChild: The "everyone will be running something from GNU / Linux in 5 years" quote?
[21:23] <Seveas> m0nk, your credit card number is 3749-1465-8393-3145 expiration date 08/2012 cvc code 341
[21:23] <m0nk> Seveas: fascinating being i dont have a credit card:P
[21:24] <Seveas> :)
[21:24] <Seeker`> m0nk: that you know of ;)
[21:24] <Seveas> intercepted it before it got to you
[21:24] <m0nk> lol not 18 yet either
[21:24] <Seveas> I can see in the future
[21:24] <m0nk> there is one thing i cant dis prove
[21:24] <m0nk> you win:(
[21:25] <PriceChild> Seveas, indeed
[21:25] <Seveas> PriceChild, Seeker`*
[21:26] <PriceChild> Hello?
[21:26] <Seeker`> Seveas: ?
 Seveas, indeed <--- I assumed you meant Seeker` there
[21:26] <Seveas> since he replied to your question
[21:26] <PriceChild> ah whoops sorry :)
[21:27] <PriceChild> tab completion strikes again
[21:27]  * Seeker` takes PriceChild's tab key away from him until he can learn to use it properly
[21:27] <no0tic> Pic.i, always does
[21:56] <PriceChild> Hmm tempted to update to hardy.
[22:02] <m0nk> PriceChild: is hardy stable? or is it still in beta?
[22:03] <PriceChild> !hardy | m0nk
[22:03] <ubotu> m0nk: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:03] <m0nk> ahh ok....
[22:03] <m0nk> i wonder if they fixed what they broke in gusty
[22:03] <PriceChild> this isn't the place for that...
[22:03] <nalioth> m0nk: "if you have to ask"
[22:04] <PriceChild> I don't think there's any place for that...
[22:05] <m0nk> i shouldnt talk like that....ubuntu is community based so im insulting directly
[22:05] <PriceChild> there is no place for insults
[22:05] <PriceChild> !coc > m0nk
[22:05] <PriceChild> m0nk, see you again in a few days.
[22:06] <m0nk> lemme rephrase that **i wonder if hardy will be more like feisty
[22:06] <m0nk> PriceChild: be nice i caught myself and fixed my statement
[22:06] <PriceChild> Nope, you phrased it the way you meant it.
[22:06] <PriceChild> See you :)
[22:07] <m0nk> o cmon i am usually a nice guy
[22:11] <m0nk> yea...i did violate the CoC at first which was respect...however i did rephrase into a way that was more constructive
[22:11] <m0nk> all though then again it was still a very subjective statement
[22:13] <m0nk> no i just really want the ban lifted right now because for the next two weeks im probably gonna be hanging out around the house being a loner more
[22:16] <m0nk> PriceChild: even tho this isnt the room for it...im trying to burn disc images *in iso* that the default cd burner in ubuntu wont burn because they are for a dreamcast...do you know of a burner app in ubuntu that wont care and will just burn what it sees?
[22:17] <PriceChild> m0nk, read what you just said please.
[22:17] <m0nk> :| thanks
[22:17] <m0nk> oh well i get what i get
[22:25] <ompaul> m0nk, read the topic for this channel please
[22:27] <m0nk> ompaul: i know:|
[22:29] <ompaul> This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only - so I think you are far outside of that domain, do you agree or not, a one word answer would be nice.
[22:30] <m0nk> i am in the process of chilling here and trying to get a ban lifted
[22:30] <ompaul> well you have been told they will see you again in a few days
[22:30] <ompaul> I now draw your attention to the rest of the topic
[22:30] <ompaul> at the end of it there is one small statement
[22:30] <ompaul> I am asking you nicely
[22:31] <ompaul> please go
[22:31] <m0nk> all right i dont wanna get people too mad at me...take it easy
[22:31] <ompaul> too mad
[22:31] <ompaul> pfft - just a certain amount is what they all want
[22:32]  * ompaul builds the worlds biggest bridge and puts it in a corner of freenode - the rest is classified
[22:37] <PriceChild> Trying to test an upgrade of an ubutnu system with encrypted root to hardy... virtualbox has decided it doesn't want to let me install ubuntu and vmware won't start *grrr*
[23:20] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (baner_)