[00:01] <DanaG> May I just leave folding running instead of a bash loop?
[00:01] <DanaG> Yup, still drops out.
[00:01] <DanaG> (tested with a DVD-Audio file played to plug:surround51:1 on my Audigy; I'll try again with something less high bitrate.
[00:02] <DanaG> playing login wav to hw:0 (hda-intel) and closing lid gives this:
[00:02] <DanaG>  underrun!!! (at least 499.975 ms long)
[00:02] <crimsun> that's fine, it eliminates what I need it to.
[00:04] <Vadi> How can I check if the ndiswrapper module is loaded?
[00:05] <Vadi> Continuing with the tradition, now not even ndiswrapper can recognize the card when I insert it.
[00:05] <SeveredCross> Vadi: lsmod | grep ndiswrapper
[00:06] <DanaG> Note that the dropout does not happen _every_ time I close the lid.
[00:06] <Vadi> SeveredCross: Thanks. This is so not good then, because it is loaded. Ndiswrapper however reports no card with the same driver.. ack.
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[00:07] <SeveredCross> Which card?
[00:08] <Vadi> Belkin F5D7010, v7. Realtek 8185 chipset.
[00:08] <crimsun> DanaG: yeah, I'm going a bisect
[00:08] <SeveredCross> Aha.
[00:10] <DanaG> Bisect?
[00:10] <alteregolio> realdreck
[00:10] <Vadi> SeveredCross: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54557/
[00:10] <Vadi> Oh! Actually I forgot a step. Momento
[00:12] <Vadi> SeveredCross: I got it. Had to associate the driver with the card ID. Tricky things...
[00:12] <SeveredCross> Aha.
[00:12] <SeveredCross> Ndiswrapper can be a bitch.
[00:12]  * SeveredCross is glad he does not need it.
[00:13] <Vadi> I shouldn't need it either, the vendor has linux drivers. But I can't compile them, and nobody cares to include them.
[00:14] <Vadi> Um, one more question. Somehow both of my grub entries are pointing to the same hardy, and I can't boot into gutsy at all. Think you can help me out?
[00:22] <yao_ziyuan> just installed Hardy 4
[00:23] <yao_ziyuan> experience:
[00:23] <yao_ziyuan> run Hardy 4 Live CD as a virtual machine. install it to the virtual machine's hard disk. chose Chinese as installation language
[00:24] <yao_ziyuan> the installed Hardy 4 can let me input chinese after pressing Ctrl+Space
[00:24] <yao_ziyuan> chinese displaying is perfect
[00:24] <yao_ziyuan> but the login screen has broken chinese characters, displayed as small dots
[00:25] <yao_ziyuan> switched first system language to English. restarted. the login screen is still broken chinese characters. seems to be a problem with kdm.
[00:26] <yao_ziyuan> an obvious bug is i can't change screen resolution in System Settings > Monitor & Display
[00:26] <yao_ziyuan> the error message is:
[00:26] <yao_ziyuan> The module 显示器与监视器 could not be loaded.
[00:26] <yao_ziyuan> The diagnostics is:
[00:27] <yao_ziyuan> Library files for "libpython25.so" not found in paths.
[00:27] <mcquaid> I haven't tried hardy yet, but I read about gnome's totem in 2.21.90 having mythtv support, acting as a frontend?
[00:28] <yao_ziyuan> i think setting the installation language to chinese is a cause
[00:28] <mcquaid> does hardy's current version of totem have that?
[00:29] <yao_ziyuan> can you guys change screen resolution in Hardy Alpha 4?
[00:29] <yao_ziyuan> maybe it's because i set language to Chinese before installation
[00:33] <yao_ziyuan> but zero configuration of chinese fonts and input methods is a big step forward!
[00:34] <gnuts> hey everyone. Does anyone else have a touchpad with no extra features?
[00:36] <gnuts> i've added a server layout section to xorg.conf, to no effect
[00:36] <yao_ziyuan> selecting 'chinese' before installation makes many things hard to change
[00:38] <yao_ziyuan> such as the font is a chinese font even if you change system language to english
[00:38] <yao_ziyuan> such as the login screen always has some broken chinese characters even if you change system language to english
[00:43] <SeveredCross> mcquaid: Hardy has gnome 2.21.90, so it should.
[00:57] <yao_ziyuan> i see hope in kubuntu
[00:57] <yao_ziyuan> when will be "alpha 5" out?
[00:58] <Dr_willis> when its done. :) heh heh...
[00:58] <yao_ziyuan> s/be.../...b
[01:11] <yao_ziyuan> everything in System Settings that requires Administrative Mode doesn't work
[01:11] <yao_ziyuan> i'm downloading all Python packages
[01:11] <yao_ziyuan> esp. python-dev, python-dbg
[01:11] <yao_ziyuan> 'cause the error message is that libpython.x.x.x.so is missing
[01:12] <yao_ziyuan> "library files for ... is missing"
[01:14] <yao_ziyuan> googled this msg.
[01:14] <yao_ziyuan> found some clues
[01:29] <yao_ziyuan> i logged out in the live cd
[01:29] <yao_ziyuan> what username/password should i log in with?
[01:32] <donspaulding> hey all, I installed NetworkManager 0.7 the other day, now I'm wondering how to get a 0.7 compatible version of the pptp vpn plugin
[01:40] <DanaG> Argh.
[01:40] <DanaG> Something made my computer think some key was stuck.
[01:40] <DanaG> I think it was either ctrl-c or enter.
[01:41] <DanaG> One time I had that happen to the 'end' key.
[01:41] <DanaG> And the keys themselves aren't stuck; it's just Xorg being b0rked.
[01:43] <DanaG> DAMNIT, now it happened to my 'c' key.
[01:51]  * Dr_willis is still looking for the 'any key'
[01:58]  * donspaulding is still looking for waldo
[02:04] <huhlig> is there a known bug with libpython and hardy?
[02:04]  * huhlig just tossed on alpha 4 and kde claims that no usable libpython can be found
[02:04] <Dr_willis> i have heard others mentioning some issues with python lately.
[02:04] <huhlig> ok
[02:04] <huhlig> it makes the kde control panel unuseable
[02:04] <Dr_willis> but im updating now. :) so not experienced it personally
[02:04] <huhlig> ahh
[02:05] <huhlig> also, is kde4 compatible yet?
[02:05] <Dr_willis> 2 min remaining. :)
[02:05] <Dr_willis> I wouldent even worry about kde4 yet.
[02:05] <huhlig> there seem to be several core libs that are unavailable
[02:05] <huhlig> oh?
[02:05] <huhlig> why so
[02:05] <Dr_willis> i found kde4 a bit unuseable.
[02:05] <Dr_willis> if you want to play with kde4. check out the livecd's :)
[02:06] <Dr_willis> 1 min to go on the upgrade.
[02:06] <Dr_willis> ya know. it would of been faster to do a clean reinstall. :)
[02:07] <huhlig> heh
[02:07] <DanaG> Odd, I can't seem to get pulseaudio tunnel working.
[02:07] <huhlig> I had a 25 gig partition waiting to reinstall linux on
[02:07]  * huhlig used to be a DD but has been out of it for too long
[02:07]  * huhlig figured he would hop back in
[02:07] <Dr_willis> I tend to upgrade to the  release a few weeks/month befor its out.. then  do a clean install once it offiially gets here. heh.
[02:07] <DanaG> I have an old laptop set to be discoverable (without authentication required), and I can make that see my "new" laptop, but I can't see in the other direction.
[02:10] <Dr_willis> i wonder if X will get my 2 monitors in the proper order now. :) Silly GDM appears on  one tothe right side by default. but the console/grub/bios appears on the one in the Middle.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> Weird - somthing just triggered my monitors to go black during the upgrade. - Thought the pc was reb ooting.. But then it came back
[02:14] <Dr_willis> Well time to reboot!   Be backin a few... I hope. :P
[02:14] <huhlig> hey, what is the command line util for configuring x
[02:14]  * huhlig has a 1900x1200 monitor and would like to use more then 800x600
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> xrandr --help
[02:16] <huhlig> hmm
[02:17] <Vad1> How can I transfer my printer settings from gutsy to hardy? Where are they saved?
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> Any time I tried anything other than the raw xrandr (any of the gui stuff it never worked)
[02:25] <huhlig> can xrandr do probe?
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> It can do everything - but afaik the driver has to support xrandr 1.2 for the more useful stuff
[02:28] <huhlig> ok
[02:28] <huhlig> well should be the nv or nvidia driver
[02:29] <huhlig> which is currently working better right now
[02:29] <huhlig> nv or the nvidia blob
[02:32] <h3sp4wn> Not sure won't have a box with nvidia and ubuntu until next week
[02:32] <h3sp4wn> But on Solaris you can configure that stuff using nvidia-settings
[02:33] <huhlig> hmm
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> and / or nvidia-xconfig (the edid could be wrong etc) have a look at nvnews
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> (nvnews.net)
[02:33] <Vad1> Where are my printer settings saved on Ubuntu?
[02:38] <compwiz18> Vad1: /etc/cups ?
[02:47] <DanaG> Oh hey, the "duplicate" thingy of PulseAudio even works over network.     It's kind of creepy.
[02:47] <DanaG> I have the old laptop sitting on the ground in the corner, and I'm playing music to it AND my onboard audio AND my speakers -- and they're all keeping amazingly good time.
[02:49] <DanaG> pulseaudio: pulsecore/memblock.c:454: pa_memblock_ref: Assertion `pa_atomic_load(&(b)->_ref) > 0' failed.
[02:49] <DanaG> dangit.
[03:01] <dreamnid> DanaG : Yeah, it is awesome
[03:01] <dreamnid> DanaG: Although I have to figure out how to make it work with Firestarter
[03:02] <mikedep334> I'm familar with firestarter
[03:02] <mikedep334> what do you need to work with it?
[03:03] <dreamnid> mikedep334: oh, I guess I just I have to figure out what ports that PulseAudio uses for the Multicast stuff
[03:03] <DanaG> pulseaudio: pulsecore/resampler.c:1334: trivial_resample: Assertion `o_index * fz < pa_memblock_get_length(output->memblock)' failed.
[03:03] <DanaG> Aborted
[03:04] <dreamnid> I did find a preload rule on the internet which allows the PA daemon to detect other PA daemons on the network
[03:04] <dreamnid> but it still blocks the multicast stuff
[03:04] <dreamnid> So more of a PA issue than Firestarter I think
[03:06] <DanaG> PulseAudio uses random ports, by default.
[03:06] <DanaG> If you want a specific port, you have to use manual loading.
[03:06] <DanaG> I mean, not just the checkbox.
[03:11] <dreamnid> ah
[03:11] <dreamnid> I'm pretty sure it is a multicasting ip issue - like I said, I didn't really look into it
[03:15] <DanaG> pulseaudio: modules/module-combine.c:584: sink_process_msg: Assertion `!op->outq_rtpoll_item' failed.
[03:15] <DanaG> Aborted
[03:15] <DanaG> argh.
[03:15] <DanaG> How can I play my dvd-audio to my Audigy through PulseAudio, without it resampling to 44100Hz?
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> Dunno why you would want to sample it to that ever if it runs native at 48000
[03:17] <DanaG> Audigy is 48 KHz?
[03:17] <DanaG> Actually, it's Audigy 2.
[03:17] <DanaG> Sorry, forgot that.
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> The pci ones are certainly
[03:18] <DanaG> Must sleep PC now.
[03:18] <DanaG> Dinner time.
[03:18] <DanaG> Will be back later.
[03:20] <Dr_willis> How do you even know its resampling?
[03:21] <Dr_willis> I got an audigy2zs wth  the fancy panel and more gizmos/bells/whistles then i know what to do with. :)
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> The pci ones have it specifically stated that they badly resample everything
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> (in hardware) but as far as I can see pulse should just be able to resample it at 48000 (alot better)
[03:23] <h3sp4wn> From AlsaProject
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[03:23] <h3sp4wn> Hardware has only strict 48kHz output (resamples samples to 48kHz).
[03:23] <h3sp4wn> (sorry)
[03:23] <h3sp4wn> just ment to paste the last line
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> Has anyone here recently booted a desktop iso from usb (Alot of the docs is garbage(
[03:30] <yao_ziyuan> i have run out of ideas
[03:30] <yao_ziyuan> how to change screen resolution in Hardy Alpha 4 anyway?
[03:31] <rsk> not possible without hacking xorg.conf for me
[03:31] <rsk> really sucks :/
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> With radeon I can set everything with xrandr but it has pretty stupid defaults
[03:32] <ethana3> I think I may try to install and do my dual seat thing now
[03:32] <yao_ziyuan> rsk: problem is my hacked xorg.conf doesn't work :)
[03:32] <rsk> :>
[03:33] <ethana3> so hardy alpha 4 will eat files on one's hard drive, right?
[03:33] <ethana3> so I need to do a full backup..
[03:33] <ethana3> does this include windows?
[03:34] <rsk> most likely not
[03:36] <yao_ziyuan> rsk: how do i specify "the current mode" in xorg.conf?
[03:36] <IdleOne> hub.ns.ca.idlezone.net
[03:37] <IdleOne> oops
[03:37] <IdleOne> ignore thqat
[03:37] <IdleOne> that*
[03:39] <Vad1> compwiz18: Hm.. I copied my /etc/cups from gutsy to hardy, but it doesn't seem to have set it up the same way
[03:45] <yao_ziyuan> i found a way
[03:45] <yao_ziyuan> copy a good xorg.conf
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> Thats not totally fool proof though as alot has changed i.e mergedfb for a start is now removed
[03:51] <Dr_willis> i have taken xorg.conf files from live cd's to use in emgerancies. :)
[03:54] <ethana3> alright, I'm trying to evacuate my frankenstein install...
[03:54] <ethana3> where only KDE4 apps work
[03:54] <ethana3> and only in KDE3
[03:55] <ethana3> ...i have the both hard drives connected via IDE
[03:55] <ethana3> but only one is likely in my fstab
[03:55] <ethana3> the other i hotplugged; didn't show up anywhere...
[03:55] <Dr_willis> You Hotplugged in an IDE drive?
[03:55] <ethana3> how do i copy the /home directory of my ..
[03:55] <ethana3> yes i did...
[03:56] <ethana3> data first, then power
[03:56] <Dr_willis> I dont think that works :)   id be scared to even try
[03:56] <ethana3> ah
[03:56] <ethana3> should i reboot then?
[03:56] <Dr_willis> Im not even sure hotplugging of sata is 'working' yet.
[03:56] <Dr_willis> Yes - i would reboot.
[03:56] <Dr_willis> Hope you dident trash the hd.
[03:56] <ethana3> and then will it show up in /media or something?
[03:56] <ethana3> well
[03:56] <ethana3> no
[03:56] <Dr_willis> You can mount it manually if it dosent.
[03:56] <ethana3> oh joy
[03:56] <ethana3> well, here goes
[03:57] <ethana3> be back soon
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: Its definately working with ahci
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> (the sata hotplug)
[04:01] <ethana3> ok, it sees it
[04:02] <ethana3> now i just have to unlock it
[04:02] <ethana3> oh wait, i can't do that ;)
[04:02] <ethana3> restarting dolphin as root
[04:02] <ethana3> oh no
[04:03] <ethana3> it won't let me because it can't resolve the host desktop
[04:03] <ethana3> gahh
[04:03] <jfkdsljio> o no, o no, o no, O YEA!
[04:03] <jfkdsljio> sorry, family guy
[04:03] <ethana3> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keydolphin: cannot connect to X server :0
[04:03] <h3sp4wn> don't run graphical stuff as root
[04:03] <ethana3> ok...
[04:04] <ethana3> this is like trying to fly the millenium falcon out of the death star
[04:04] <ethana3> after setting off its main reactor
[04:04] <ethana3> except instead of life at stake, it's just all my files
[04:04] <ethana3> so this hard drive i plugged in; i want to copy my /home to it
[04:04] <ethana3> and no gnome apps work
[04:05] <ethana3> and sudo can't resolve host desktop
[04:05] <ethana3> how do i do this?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  thats good to hear its working. :) One of those big-features that never seemed to actually exist. heh.
[04:06] <ethana3> well first i have to mount this thing via terminal
[04:06] <ethana3> looking for it in /dev
[04:07] <Dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l
[04:07] <Dr_willis> to see where its at.
[04:07] <ethana3> k
[04:08] <ethana3> ha
[04:08] <ethana3> sudo
[04:08] <ethana3> yeah, that doesn't work
[04:08] <ethana3> i have to use su
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> It will be sd?
[04:08] <ethana3> sd?
[04:08] <ethana3> i don't know...
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> ? matching a to z
[04:08] <ethana3> maybe
[04:09] <ethana3> running fdisk -l
[04:09] <ethana3> that's an 'el', right?
[04:09] <ethana3> L
[04:09] <ethana3> but not cap
[04:09] <ethana3> I
[04:09] <ethana3> .../that/'s an i
[04:10] <ethana3> k, my two hard drives
[04:11] <ethana3> /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
[04:12] <ethana3> so now i want to mount /dev/sdb1 as /alt
[04:12] <ethana3> could someone convert that to bash for me?
[04:15] <ethana3> do i have to go into fstab to create the mount point?
[04:15] <ethana3> i said :~$ mount /dev/sdb /alt
[04:15] <ethana3> mount: mount point /alt does not exist
[04:17] <Dr_willis> make the directory first? :)
[04:17] <Dr_willis>  fstab defines where it mounts to.
[04:17] <h3sp4wn> sdb is the whole disk remember
[04:18] <Dr_willis> I think You MIGHT want to be reading a few linux basics/tutorials soon. :)
[04:18] <ethana3> well i don't do this particular kind of task often
[04:18] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/DEVICE /media/MOUNTPOUNT
[04:18] <ethana3> i mostly muck around in xorg.conf..
[04:18] <Dr_willis> !mount
[04:18] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in !GNOME under !Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For !Edgy and later, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:18] <ethana3> you reccomend putting the mount in media?
[04:19] <Dr_willis> why not. :)
[04:19] <ethana3> i was going to mount it as alt
[04:19] <ethana3> but it has to be a directory that exists?
[04:19] <Dr_willis> put it whever you want.. but the diretory its going to MUST MUST MUST exist befor you mount it.
[04:19] <ethana3> what if it has files in it?
[04:19] <Dr_willis> then i suggest you use a different diretrory. :)
[04:19] <ethana3> ok
[04:19] <ethana3> sounds good
[04:19] <Dr_willis> files in the dir will be unaccesable untill the mount is unmounted
[04:21] <ethana3> root@desktop:/# mount /dev/sdb /altmount: you must specify the filesystem typeroot@desktop:/# mount /dev/sdb1 /alt
[04:21] <ethana3> oops
[04:21] <ethana3> there's a new line between /alt and mount, but i tried to format the text differently
[04:21] <ethana3> fail
[04:21] <ethana3> ok, so now /dev/sdb1 is mounted as /alt
[04:22] <ethana3> there are no subdirectories; i must have removed them with rm -r
[04:22] <ethana3> sudo mkdir /alt/home && sudo cp -r /home/ethan /alt/home
[04:23] <ethana3> that should do what i want, right?
[04:23] <Dr_willis> I think you may want to use some other optiuons to cp. to get the .files and  so forth
[04:23] <Dr_willis> i cheat and use 'mc'  too much
[04:23] <ethana3> mc?
[04:23] <Dr_willis> !info mc
[04:24] <ubotu> mc (source: mc): midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-8ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 2059 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[04:24] <Dr_willis> shell based file manager. :) a MUST get tool
[04:24] <ethana3> well, on our connection
[04:24] <ethana3> hmmm
[04:25] <ethana3> i'd rather just learn an argument or two..  cp --help
[04:25] <Dr_willis> reding the docs/help/manuals - is good. :)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> mc is still worth learning about.
[04:26] <ethana3> it looks like cp -r --copy-contents is what i want..  from the help file for cp
[04:28] <ethana3> root@desktop:/alt# cp -r -p --copy-contents /home /alt/home
[04:28] <ethana3> it's working now
[04:28] <ethana3> 26GB, may take a while...
[04:29] <ethana3> so when i move /home back onto my new hardy install, firefox will have all its bookmarks and such, right?
[04:30] <ethana3> oh hey, is the bug with colemak and capslock fixed yet?
[04:31] <ethana3> that will drive me nuts if i have to work around that...
[04:32] <underwatercow> Is anyone else having trouble running Kate under gnome?
[04:41] <lufis> My screen res is fixed at 1024x768 right now. I want to put it at something higher, but when i do that the screen goes black and nothing short of a reboot helps (not even a reconfigure xserver-xorg, since there's nothing about resolution in the xorg.conf file)
[04:43] <h3sp4wn> lufis: Is it a laptop + external screen ?
[04:44] <h3sp4wn> If it is you can just disable the LVDS and it will sort itself out
[04:44] <lufis> h3sp4wn: nope, crt on a desktop
[04:45] <gQuigs> trying to compile linux-source-2.6.24 in hardy
[04:45] <gQuigs> make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1
[04:45] <gQuigs> make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
[04:48] <lufis> sigh.
[04:50] <gQuigs> oh.. got it misses ncurses
[04:59] <ethana3> my /home has been copied
[05:00] <underwatercow> is there a reason KDE apps are bringing up errors in GNOME?
[05:00] <jfkdsljio> Whats new in 8.04?
[05:00] <tumbleweed__> herpes
[05:01] <jfkdsljio> Awww damn, that sucks.
[05:01] <tumbleweed__> yup
[05:01] <jfkdsljio> I guess I'll use gusty, since I was planning on asking if it would break me, and what repo I should use.
[05:01] <tumbleweed__> lul
[05:01] <tumbleweed__> you're better off
[05:01] <tumbleweed__> believe you me
[05:02] <jfkdsljio> I wasn't going to ask those questions, but, is it really that buggy?
[05:02] <underwatercow> jfkdsljio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha4
[05:02] <tumbleweed__> yup
[05:02] <underwatercow> jfkdsljio: It's a tad buggy... nothing too tragic for me so far... just a few nuisances
[05:03] <ethana3> and every update squishes another one
[05:03] <ethana3> ^_^
[05:03] <jfkdsljio> Cool, long way till the final, I'll check the wiki.
[05:04] <underwatercow> ethana3: My mom says she's thinking of voting for Ron Paul... ;-D
[05:04] <tumbleweed__> it's just that there's really no reason to use it unless gutsy is truly broken for you (as it is for me)
[05:04] <underwatercow> Alpha 4 seems a lot more stable to me than prior though
[05:05] <tumbleweed__> alpha 1 was fine for me
[05:05] <underwatercow> Nautilus is still having some issues though, but I don't think they have finished their work with the new FS
[05:05] <tumbleweed__> I don't like nautilus, though
[05:05] <tumbleweed__> I wish I could use thunar
[05:05] <underwatercow> why can't you?
[05:05] <tumbleweed__> well
[05:05] <underwatercow> well, this is the first time I've installed from a disc... I tried updating the last few times and it killed everything
[05:05] <tumbleweed__> all of gnome's apps launch nautilus by default
[05:05] <underwatercow> tumbleweed__: ah
[05:05] <tumbleweed__> I have to find a way to switch it to thunar
[05:06] <underwatercow> my desktop is broken
[05:06] <underwatercow> my icons are gone
[05:06] <underwatercow> and wallpaper-tray only changes wallpapers on boot now...
[05:06] <tumbleweed__> oh
[05:06] <underwatercow> clicking to change it manually won't work anymore
[05:06] <tumbleweed__> try using xfdesktop4 instead
[05:06] <tumbleweed__> or compiz
[05:06] <underwatercow> lol, it's not a big deal
[05:06] <underwatercow> I don't use the desktop for much anyway
[05:06] <tumbleweed__> but I don't know if compiz writes to the root window
[05:06] <tumbleweed__> same here
[05:07] <underwatercow> KDE apps are also not working right
[05:07] <underwatercow> like Kate
[05:07] <tumbleweed__> it's just something that looks pretty
[05:07] <tumbleweed__> one problem I have is that the font in QT apps is too small
[05:07] <tumbleweed__> and pixellated
[05:07] <ethana3> underwatercow: we're going to try to get Ron Paul to win in alaska
[05:07] <underwatercow> ethana3: lol... go for it
[05:07] <ethana3> underwatercow: we've stood on street corners and everything
[05:07] <underwatercow> oh, and gnome-art has a bug in it
[05:07] <ethana3> underwatercow: and alskans are free thinkers ;)
[05:07] <tumbleweed__> kewl
[05:07] <underwatercow> do you know if they will re-merge from debian or whatever?
[05:08] <underwatercow> I guess the bug is fixed in debian
[05:08] <ethana3> i thought they already froze that
[05:08] <ethana3> ohh
[05:08] <underwatercow> but it's a recent fix
[05:08] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I noticed that with gnome-terminal the menus are not being shown.
[05:08] <underwatercow> my menus work fine
[05:08] <Dr_willis> well the menu items in the menu bar at top is not showing any letters/text.
[05:09] <jfkdsljio> Wow looks like a lot is going into this new release. It's really amazing that a new one comes out every 6 months.
[05:09] <Dr_willis> the 'menubar'
[05:09] <underwatercow> so does anyone know if gnome-art will be fixed from Debian?
[05:11] <underwatercow> do the devs come in here?
[05:11] <underwatercow> lol
[05:12] <Dr_willis> they better not be here. :) they need to be off doing dev stuff. :)
[05:12] <Dr_willis> whatever that is..
[05:12] <underwatercow> lol
[05:12] <underwatercow> but I wanna ask about gnome-art!
[05:12] <underwatercow> I guess I could file it as a bug
[05:12] <underwatercow> I'm just usually too lazy to do that
[05:13] <underwatercow> is there a bug report shortcut in gnome? or do I need to go to the site?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> never noticed. Sorry.
[05:13] <Dr_willis> file a bug that there needs to be a easier bug reporting tool? :)
[05:14] <underwatercow> jfkdsljio: BTW: that's only what they've done or are working on so far I think... more could be added, not really sure when they stop adding things...
[05:14] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: lol... excellent
[05:14] <underwatercow> My bug is that my windows install is battling my Ubuntu install for supremacy...
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Hmm. never had issues with windows and linux fighting..
[05:15] <Dr_willis> at leat not lately
[05:15] <underwatercow> Linux keeps insisting on using free weapons... like rocks and sticks
[05:15] <underwatercow> and windows weapons are too complicated to work correctly... and too heavy to lift properly...
[05:18] <Dr_willis> I think your analogy needs work. :)
[05:19] <underwatercow> lol... eh... it was spur of the moment
[05:19] <underwatercow> http://webaugur.com/bibliotheca/field_stock/os-airlines.html
[05:19] <underwatercow> have you seen this?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> Hmm. saw in a new-gnome feature web site artical the improved gnome system monitor tool... but where is it in the menus.. heh heh
[05:23]  * Dr_willis does a  gnome-<tab> in the shell and looks
[05:27]  * jfkdsljio Does a /me command in XChat.
[05:29]  * Dr_willis thinks this is what /me does
[05:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:30] <Dr_willis> well devede    - worked and made a dvd video for me. :)
[05:30] <Dr_willis> Thats a first for me under linux. making  an actual dvd video - heh.
[05:33] <ethana3> did you encrypt it?
[05:33] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: Are you referring to the system monitor in Administration?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> underwatercow,  lets see :) i found one under gnome-system-monitor
[05:34] <ethana3> i'm going to give this a shot now..
[05:34] <ethana3> despite that i can't keep caps lock from toggling every time i hit backspace
[05:34] <ethana3> a bug has been filed, so I guess i'm just waiting for a fix
[05:34] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: That's the same one in the Administration menu, lol
[05:34] <Dr_willis> thats it.. Hmm.. I got a dualcore cpu. wanting to get 2 graphs to see if both cpus are being used equally. But cant find a tool that does it.
[05:35] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: the monitor shows dual CPU usage...
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Ive notiuced inder windows a lot of apps hog 1 or the other cpu. curious as to if linux apps are better done.
[05:35] <Dr_willis> I just see 1 graph. let me look again
[05:35] <jfkdsljio> better done? you can set affinity for single threaded apps if you want to balence them out
[05:35] <Dr_willis> its showing 1 graph 1 cpu - in orange
[05:36] <Dr_willis> should it be showing 2 in the resources tab?
[05:36] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: I have CPU 1 in orange and CPU2 in red
[05:36] <Dr_willis> I dont see any in red. :)
[05:36] <jfkdsljio> yeah I get two cpu's too
[05:36] <Dr_willis> model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000
[05:36] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: they actually seem pretty balanced for not doing too much atm... not sure how they will look if I start running intensive apps though
[05:37] <Dr_willis> i should be seeing 2 graphs then?
[05:37] <underwatercow> CPU2 seems to jump every so often though
[05:37] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: it's overlayed on the same graph
[05:37] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: but ues
[05:37] <underwatercow> yes
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Ok.. heh - i just see one orange box below the cpu history box.  showing the %
[05:38] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: there should be 2
[05:38] <underwatercow> :-p
[05:38] <Dr_willis> I only got the 1
[05:38] <Dr_willis> lets see how else to check.
[05:38] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: look at the System tab
[05:38] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: Mine shows Processor 0 and Processor 1 there
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Processor - Amd ANnthlon 64x2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
[05:39] <Dr_willis> is all i see - right below memory 3gb.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> am i seeing a bug here in the kernel then?
[05:42] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: Couldn't say... maybe?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> i did do a upgrade.. perhaps i booted the wrong kernel.
[05:42] <underwatercow> Do patches only get committed once a day?
[05:43] <Dr_willis> 2.6.24-5-386   - is what i am running right now
[05:43] <underwatercow> let me check mine
[05:43] <underwatercow> that's that I'm running
[05:43] <Dr_willis> I thought that encodeing that avi to dvd -- took a LOT longer under linux then it did with nero under windows.. :)
[05:43] <Dr_willis> this would explain why
[05:44] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: lol... because you are only using half of your processor?
[05:44] <Dr_willis> Looks like it.. then i noticd the conky cpu graph wasent 2 little bars like id seen befor.
[05:44] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: You don't happen to use evolution do you?
[05:44] <Dr_willis> Not using evolution at all.
[05:44] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: sad... why not? it's awesome. :-p
[05:44] <Dr_willis> i dont need it. :)
[05:44] <Dr_willis> i just use gmail for my minimal mail needs
[05:45] <Dr_willis> when ya get 2 emails a month....
[05:45] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: lol. I find it nice for organizing my mail, calendar, tasks, etc
[05:45] <underwatercow> I'm in school, so that task list is coming in handy to keep track of everything coming due
[05:45] <underwatercow> The reason I asked is because it seems slower in hardy
[06:01] <shirish> hi guys, anybody knows how can I downgrade to a particular version? I had a third-party repository which might be making problems so now I want to get back to archive.ubuntu.com for a particular set of packages? Any ideas?
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> apt-get install foo=version
[06:22] <DanaG> You can also do it with aptitude.
[06:24] <shirish> DanaG: hey hi :)
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> apt-cache madison is as good as any for getting the available versions
[06:26] <DanaG> Who's madison?
[06:27] <shirish> DanaG: h3sp4wn: Can u guys look at this pastebin & tell me what I need to do it right http://pastebin.ca/889822
[06:29] <shirish> I want to downgrade to the ubuntu version, do I need to comment out the third-party repository, run update again & then try to install the old version.
[06:29] <shirish> I do a sudo aptitude autoclean after every upgrade
[06:29] <DanaG> You can just select the version in aptitude.
[06:32] <Gnine> cut3 n4m3
[06:32] <h3sp4wn> I would probably use apt-get install foo=2:1.02.08-1
[06:33] <Gnine> 7h3r3'2 n0 7urn1n6 b4ck
[06:34] <hydrogen> hmm
[06:34] <hydrogen> It takes more effort to type like that
[06:34] <hydrogen> and there is little reward for doing so
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> I guess it could be a script
[06:34] <Gnine> yah.. but my keyboard is not dvorak.. so i have to
[06:34] <hydrogen> least your twice as cool for doing it
[06:35] <Gnine> not for the c0oln3ss .. just cuz i c4n
[06:35] <hydrogen> well
[06:35] <hydrogen> unfortunatly for you
[06:35] <hydrogen> #ubuntu+1 is english only
[06:35] <shirish> DanaG: aptitude just hangs :(
[06:36] <Gnine> how can you read it then.. ? dont give me the english lecture
[06:36] <shirish> h3sp4wn: what's wrong here
[06:36] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ sudo apt-get install libgnomevfs2-0=1:2.20.1
[06:36] <shirish> Reading package lists... Done
[06:36] <shirish> Building dependency tree
[06:36] <shirish> Reading state information... Done
[06:36] <shirish> E: Version '1:2.20.1' for 'libgnomevfs2-0' was not found
[06:36] <DanaG> stop
[06:36] <DanaG> don't paste too much.
[06:36] <shirish> did the pasting, sorry for that
[06:36] <Gnine> !pastebin
[06:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:36] <DanaG> That's odd that aptitude hangs.  Run it with no parameters, as sudo.
[06:37] <DanaG> And if that still hangs, try without sudo.
[06:37] <DanaG> Or you can use Synaptic and "Force Version".
[06:37] <h3sp4wn> shirish: You tell me if that is in the repos and appears in madison (after an update) then should be fine
[06:37] <ethana3> ok
[06:37] <DanaG> WTF is madison?
[06:37] <ethana3> hardy is installed and running
[06:37] <h3sp4wn> shirish: If it is gone some mirror may or may not be gone
[06:38] <DanaG> Besides a town in Wisconsin, or something.
[06:38] <h3sp4wn> (i.e the file might still be there)
[06:38] <ethana3> madison?
[06:38] <ethana3> is that the name of a build?
[06:38] <shirish> h3sp4wn: what is in the repos?
[06:38] <Gnine> madison is also a cut3 n4m3
[06:38] <h3sp4wn> Its an apt-cache command
[06:38] <h3sp4wn> shows binaries and source and what produced what etc
[06:39] <DanaG> Wow, that's a bit obscure.
[06:39] <ethana3> yes.
[06:39] <Gnine> you can figure that and yet you cant regress a version
[06:40] <shirish> h3sp4wn: this is what it shows atm http://pastebin.ca/889831
[06:41] <ethana3> well, my keyboard doesn't work properly.. the caps and backspace still don't like eachother
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> shirish: As easy to just download the deb and dpkg -i it in that case if its just a single deb
[06:44] <shirish> h3sp4wn: it might have dependencies which might have to be downgraded as well.
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> shirish: Well it might doesn't help either of us find out
[06:45] <h3sp4wn> Install apt-show-versions as well
[06:45] <h3sp4wn> (then you can quickly scan for anything that aint from hardy)
[06:45] <shirish> DanaG: haven't used aptitude (the menu) before, using it the first time, it shows some broken packages, how do I list the broken packages?
[06:45] <DanaG> Try hitting 'e'.
[06:45]  * Gnine rubs forehead
[06:46] <DanaG> That's for "examine recommendations".
[06:46] <DanaG> Dependency solutions, that is.
[06:46] <FunnyLookinHat> Is anyone here running KDE4 on Hardy Alpha 4?
[06:47] <Gnine> gn0m3!!
[06:47] <shirish> DanaG: thanx, although I'm starting to like aptitude , although don't understand why it didn't show broken packages on the safe-upgrade or full-upgrade on the CLI
[06:47] <DanaG> That does seem odd.
[06:48] <Gnine> broken packages are determined afterwards
[06:48] <DanaG> After what?
[06:48] <Gnine> after you update/upgrade
[06:49] <Gnine> i guess that's what alpha means
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> I don't think that can be true it must some how take into account the broken packages from an earlier point
[06:50] <Gnine> what if the breakage is in the current update?
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> Otherwise how does it always choose the sane response
[06:51] <shirish> DanaG: usually when one is doing a full-upgrade if there are broken packages (unsatisfied dependencies) it shows up, in aptitude (the GUI) its showing as gnome-terminal having an unsatisfied dependency, I don't understand it :(
[06:52] <DanaG> argh, my ctrl key got virtual-stuck.
[06:52] <DanaG> i.e. the keyboard is fine, but Xorg thinks it's stuck down.
[06:52] <Gnine> nice keyboard
[06:54] <Gnine> that's when you go into synaptic and recheck , shirish
[06:54]  * Gnine likes gui
[06:56]  * Gnine also likes last update on tk-53 x86_64
[06:56]  * DanaG has merely a Yonah.
[06:57] <ethana3> DanaG: be glad your problems are such limited..
[06:57] <ethana3> ;)
[06:58] <ethana3> XORG HAS SOME BUGS TO work out yEt.. daNg caGGAHH
[06:58] <shirish> something that a simple reboot can solve ;)
[06:58] <ethana3> not in my case
[06:58] <shirish> or should solve
[06:58] <ethana3> please ignore erratic capitalization
[06:59] <shirish> similarly, I have no idea why I'm not getting through in my stuff
[06:59] <DanaG> I don't have to reboot for mine; I just have to ctrl-alt-backspace.
[06:59] <ethana3> ok, so I want to do a dual seat setup with thiS..
[06:59] <shirish> h3sp4wn: I've installed apt-show-versions as well.
[06:59] <shirish> DanaG: that true, that one escaped me.
[06:59] <ethana3> can both seats use compiz?
[06:59]  * Gnine takes notes
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> shirish: Its useful because you can see what isn't from wherever with a simple grep
[07:01] <shirish> h3sp4wn: this is the output from apt-show-versions http://pastebin.ca/889845
[07:01] <ethana3> i think i'm going to try to fix my keyboard now inSTEAD OF WAITING FOR A FIX
[07:01] <shirish> now, I want to install the version from hardy while I have got the version from sofaraway.org
[07:02] <ethana3> 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
[07:02] <ethana3> 	Option		"XkbVariant"	"colemak"
[07:02] <ethana3> 	Option		"XkbOptions"	"lv3:ralt_switch"
[07:02] <ethana3> is there a Caps off option in Xkb?
[07:03] <ethana3> well, that still wouldn't fix that i can't hold backspace down and have it work..
[07:03] <Dr_willis> ive seen guides on remaping the capslock to be ctrl
[07:03] <ethana3> this is colemak
[07:03] <ethana3> no custom layout stuff
[07:03] <ethana3> that's my backspace
[07:04] <ethana3> do you think those may be of help to me?
[07:04] <ethana3> i'm going to add my new data to that bug i filed
[07:04] <Dr_willis> I dont know what the actual problem is/was to begin with. :)
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> I miss the sun unix layout (and a real meta)
[07:05] <ethana3> it is that this is my backspace
[07:05] <ethana3> but it's also caps now
[07:05] <ethana3> and i can't hold it down
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> does ctrl-H work
[07:05] <ethana3> if i erase an odd number .. cTRL+h?
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> yep
[07:05] <Dr_willis> backspace and delete key swapped?
[07:05] <ethana3> what's that supposed to do?
[07:05] <shirish> finally managed to downgrade, after doing that, would comment out the gstreamer third-party repository. Do u guys think that it  (aptitude) will catch stuff from hardy next time gstreamer & other stuff updates?
[07:05] <Dr_willis> ctrl-h is backspace  :)
[07:05] <ethana3> gahh
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> That works as a backspace for me
[07:05] <ethana3> www.colemak.com
[07:06] <ethana3> no, it does not work
[07:06] <ethana3> ctrl+h does nothing
[07:06] <DanaG> What IS up with that random caps?
[07:06] <Dr_willis> Spilled coke on the keyboard?
[07:06] <ethana3> that's a bug..
[07:06] <shirish> DanaG: looking for u'r guidance to what I typed above
[07:06] <ethana3> liNK.. HERE
[07:07] <ethana3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/188308
[07:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188308 in ubuntu "colemak is broken" [Undecided,New]
[07:07] <Dr_willis> !info colemak
[07:07] <ubotu> Package colemak does not exist in hardy
[07:08] <ethana3> it's a keyboard layout
[07:08] <ethana3> ..yes.
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> Well with it being a keyboard layout you almost certainly fix it yourself given enough time
[07:09] <ethana3> this is an alpha
[07:09] <ethana3> for fixing things before thE RELEASE
[07:10] <ethana3> here, go to your us keyboard layout variants in gnome keyboard
[07:10] <ethana3> and have a look at it
[07:10] <ethana3> then look at caps lock options..
[07:11] <ethana3> i guess i'm the only colemak typist here right now..
[07:11] <ethana3> any dvorak users?
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> One of my friends uses the neo layout I think its called
[07:12] <ethana3> neo?
[07:12] <ethana3> googling...
[07:13] <ethana3> ok, that's the same aim as colemak
[07:13] <underwatercow> in hardy, I can't seem to get my Revolution 5.1 to work right... anyone else have the same sound card?
[07:13] <ethana3> but for german instead of english
[07:13] <ethana3> besides, we have ßüff like that too
[07:13] <ethana3> ;)
[07:15] <underwatercow> colemak? is that a typing style? lol
[07:16] <ethana3> qwfpgjluy;
[07:16] <ethana3> arstdhneio
[07:16] <underwatercow> I should learn dvorak some day
[07:16] <ethana3> zxcvbkm,.
[07:16] <ethana3> caps is backspace
[07:16] <DanaG> Oooooooooh, new international keyboard setting: AltGre dead keys.
[07:16] <ethana3> no, don't learn dvorak
[07:16] <ethana3> ours is better
[07:16] <underwatercow> LOL
[07:16] <ethana3> and easier to learn
[07:16] <DanaG> Finally, I can type cool stuff without breaking my frickin' apostrophes.
[07:16] <DanaG> äåéëþüúíœïhgfðß®©
[07:16] <underwatercow> How is it easier to learn?
[07:16] <ethana3> yes..
[07:16] <ethana3> altgr is awesome
[07:16] <DanaG> æœ©®bñµç¶øœïhgfðß¿˙¿¿¿¿˙˙˙
[07:16] <ethana3> qwahzxcvbm,. don't move
[07:16] <DanaG> ¿que?
[07:17] <ethana3> from qwerty
[07:17] <ethana3> ¿Qué?
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> for dvorak do you get all the shortcuts for such as emacs / vi changed to make sense for that layout
[07:17] <DanaG> ÆWÆSOMÆ
[07:17] <Gnine> it is a habit. if you learned dvorak first , qwerty will be teh hassle
[07:17] <underwatercow> LOL, I have a friend that uses dvorak and vim and seems to have no trouble
[07:17] <ethana3> he probably has vim remapped
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> using hjkl in vi if they are in some non sensible place then do you have to make yur own keymap
[07:18] <ethana3> i gotta go for a while; be back soon
[07:30] <Dr_willis> Hmm One of these days i need to read up on how compiz/emerald and x-window-decorator and gtk-window-decorator interrelate..
[07:31] <Dr_willis> it seems that when i login to gnome now.. emerald is getting sta4rted.
[07:31] <Gnine> if you have it installed
[07:31] <Gnine> duh
[07:31] <Dr_willis> but i thought only kde needed emerald.
[07:31] <Dr_willis> I cant seem to set gnome to use the gtk-windodeorator by default now.
[07:32]  * Gnine uses emerald on gnome
[07:32] <Gnine> remove emerald
[07:33] <Dr_willis> unless of course i want to keep emerald on  kde..
[07:35] <h3sp4wn> I thought kde4 had its own compositing manager
[07:36] <Dr_willis> 4 does..
[07:37] <Dr_willis> Im just noticing that emerald was getting started by defualt on my Ubuntu system.  instead of the other decorator .
[07:37] <h3sp4wn> I think I would prefer the choice of either kde4 or kde3 and them conflicting
[07:38] <h3sp4wn> rather than that putting kde4 in a wierd place
[07:38] <DanaG> ↙↓↘→↗↑↖←
[07:38]  * Gnine wiggles
[07:39] <DanaG> Just discovered the awesome new keyboard settings thingy..... numpad part.
[07:39] <DanaG> Tired of hunting for these: ?
[07:39] <DanaG> ÷×
[07:40] <DanaG> −+ (normal is -+)
[07:40] <DanaG> ∕  ⋅ (normal is / * )
[07:41] <Dr_willis> Hmm  Avahi SSH Server Browser  - That looks interesting. :) but i  bet the other machines on the lan need the avahi stuff set up also.
[07:49] <dreamnid> yeah... I noticed that too
[07:50] <dreamnid> works pretty well :-P
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> Sounds like a security risk waiting to happen to me
[07:50] <dreamnid> a security risk?
[07:50] <DanaG> Not if you don't enable announcement.  I'd imagine that'd be disabled by default.
[07:51] <dreamnid> well, w/ the Avahi VNC Browser, I saw both of my Ubuntu servers with VNC enabled
[07:51] <dreamnid> and I didn't have to do anything to get that functionality
[07:51] <dreamnid> I didn't try the SSH one yet
[07:51] <dreamnid> and it isn't really a security risk
[07:52] <dreamnid> admittedly, I'm not sure who would use an SSH/VNC browser
[07:53] <Dr_willis> I would for my Mythtv box in the basement. :) everythings on dhcp - so im always haveing to nmap the lan to find its ip
[07:53] <Dr_willis> but the other box is a gutsy install.. what do i have to enable on it?
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> Can you not just lock the ip to a mac or just use a name
[07:54] <Dr_willis> I could. but i keep getting ips messed up
[07:54] <Dr_willis> been changeing out too many machines/cards/stuff lately
[07:54] <Dr_willis> and all i do is  ssh to it rarely. Its mainly a fileserver
[07:54] <DanaG> How about getting a dd-wrt router and enabling local DNS?
[07:54] <DanaG> I do that with my router.
[07:54] <dreamnid> Dr_willis... like I said, I didn't have to do anything... and the other two clients were gutsy installs
[07:54] <DanaG> It uses dnsmasq.
[07:54] <DanaG> Nifty!
[07:54] <Dr_willis> dreamnid,  i may have avahi disalbed on that machine. Its been hacked on a lot. :)
[07:55] <dreamnid> haha
[07:56] <Dr_willis> Hmm. what do i put for domain its set to local.
[07:56] <dreamnid> what was the keyboard setting thingy you were talking about, Dana?
[07:57] <Dr_willis> Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon is running on the gutsy box in the basement.
[07:57] <DanaG> System→Preferences→Keyboard
[07:57] <DanaG> I have it set to USA International (AltGr dead keys).
[07:57] <DanaG> And under "layout options", I have it set to "keypad with additions".
[07:58] <DanaG> Then select the layout, then hit 'print' and then 'print preview'.
[07:58] <dreamnid> hmm
[08:01] <Dr_willis> Hmm,, when i am using fusesmb  to mount a fusesmb share.. it always prints out 'test' when its doing it..
[08:01] <Dr_willis> Anyone ever noticed why it does that?
[08:01] <Dr_willis> fusesmb Network/
[08:01] <Dr_willis> test
[08:01] <Dr_willis> Then its mounted. :)
[08:02] <dreamnid> probably the programmer was testing something and forgot to remove it when done
[08:02] <dreamnid> or is still working on it
[08:03] <Dr_willis> Yea. Just a little.. weird. :)
[08:03] <Dr_willis> since its seen everytime ya run the tool.
[08:04] <Dr_willis> Im working on the  fusesmb wiki. So i figured id research this oddity
[08:04] <dreamnid> I never mounted a samba share yet
[08:04] <dreamnid> I hate how it takes a long time for me to login
[08:04]  * Gnine dodged temptation from DanaG 
[08:05] <Dr_willis> Long time? never noticed. :)
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> dreamnid: I think if you have a wins server (running on Linux or Windows) then you can reduce that quite significantly (and set directly master browser etc)
[08:05] <dreamnid> h3sp4wn: hmm..
[08:06] <h3sp4wn> Probably setting samba as a domain controller would be ok also
[08:06] <dreamnid> but it only happens on my laptop
[08:06] <dreamnid> and besides, I'm pretty sure I'm not running a WINS server
[08:06] <h3sp4wn> does it map properly
[08:08] <dreamnid> not sure
[08:09] <dreamnid> I'll investigate it later
[08:16] <ethana3> DanaG: interested in cutting finger movement by 2.2x?
[08:16] <ethana3> ^_^
[08:16] <DanaG> Maybe.
[08:16] <ethana3> the mac layout has greek and math stuff
[08:17] <ethana3> i find myself wanting those too..  but i'll live
[08:17] <DanaG> It didn't look any different to me under the print preview.
[08:17] <DanaG> I mean, no different from the standard.
[08:17] <ethana3> what?
[08:17] <ethana3> then they didn't do it right
[08:17] <ethana3> not surprised
[08:17] <ethana3> ones main resource for information about it would just be www.colemak.com
[08:18] <ethana3> it's not yet properly integrated and all that
[08:18] <ethana3> which is part of why i'm here
[08:19] <ethana3> it displays properly on mine
[08:19] <ethana3> its not like the hardware is different, if that's what you were looking at
[08:21] <ethana3> i should start turning this into a dual seat now
[08:22] <ethana3> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/best-way-to-build-a-computer-for-2-users-567529/page2.html#post3044254
[08:22] <ethana3> i'm going to copy his xorg.conf and modify it for my hardware
[08:22] <ethana3> his gdm.conf-custom as well
[08:24] <ethana3> switched to radeon driver
[08:24] <ethana3> restarting X..
[08:26] <ethana3> radeon gives me a res too big for my CRT.. going to tell it to use 1280x1024..
[08:26] <DanaG> Use 1280x960 instead -- it's 4:3.
[08:26] <DanaG> 1280x1024 is 5:4.
[08:26] <DanaG> Or use 1360x1024.
[08:26] <ethana3> that's not the aspect ratio of my hardware
[08:26] <DanaG> No CRT is 5:4.
[08:27] <ethana3> it's what i always use
[08:27] <DanaG> Well, then at least don't stretch it horizontally.
[08:27] <ethana3> hmm
[08:27] <ethana3> i don't
[08:27] <ethana3> i like squares to be squares
[08:27] <ethana3> ;)
[08:27] <ethana3> good old xorg.conf didn't get the axe after all
[08:27] <underwatercow> wasn't firefox 3 supposed to be in hardy?
[08:28] <Gnine> thats 10:9 + alright
[08:28] <ethana3> that's what i thought
[08:28] <ethana3> it's not there
[08:28] <ethana3> i checked
[08:28] <underwatercow> yeah. me too
[08:28] <underwatercow> maybe they are planning to... or meant to... or something
[08:28] <underwatercow> lol
[08:33] <ethana3> set the mode for desired res, restarting x
[08:34] <underwatercow> anyone in here use a Revolution5.1 or have sound problems with hardy?
[08:34] <ethana3> ...didn't take, examining xorg.conf again..
[08:35] <ethana3> normally i don't trust Screens and Graphics.. i'm going to try it anyway..
[08:36] <ethana3> it won't let me do anything
[08:36] <ethana3> is that an alpha4 caveat?
[08:37] <DarkMageZ> ethana3, yeah. it's known to be broken atm
[08:37] <ethana3> ok
[08:38] <ethana3> while they're at fixing it, that'd be a fine place to insert dual seat configuration
[08:38] <ethana3> which would make my life /much/ easier
[08:39] <ethana3> in fact
[08:39] <ethana3> that's the only place where it really belongs
[08:40] <ethana3> from my experience, anything Screens and Graphics cannot undestand
[08:40] <ethana3> it will destroy
[08:42] <DarkMageZ> someone needs to come along and rewrite everything related to that from scratch and do it properly.
[08:42] <ethana3> powering up second monitor connected to intel integrated...
[08:43] <ethana3> i may just switch to it until the radeon bug is fixed
[08:43] <ethana3> Screens and Graphics?
[08:43] <ethana3> agreed
[08:44] <ethana3> so i switched the driver from radeon to intel
[08:44] <ethana3> will it know to switch gpus?
[08:44] <DarkMageZ> plug and prey =D
[08:45] <ethana3> nom nom nom
[08:45] <ethana3> saved, restarting x, using second monitor and gpu, hopefully.
[08:48] <ethana3> FAIL
[08:48] <ethana3> reverting to vesa
[08:49] <dreamnid> hmm... I just tried the Avahi SSH browser and it doesn't pick up my Gutsy SSH server
[08:52] <ethana3> it's ingnoring my xorg.conf
[08:52] <DarkMageZ> ethana3, i think the busid would be different for the intel chip.
[08:52] <ethana3> its hiding its set busid
[08:53] <ethana3> i've gone through enough pain with this
[08:53] <ethana3> that i know the intel is at 0:02:0
[08:53] <ethana3> 02.0*
[08:53] <ethana3> i think
[08:53] <ethana3> well, best make sure...
[08:53] <ethana3> the mice are wierd
[08:53] <ethana3> well, same cursor, two mice
[08:53] <ethana3> anyway, it wont click
[08:53] <ethana3> it only dragS
[08:54] <Dr_willis> dreamnid,  it dont work for me either.
[08:54] <ethana3> i do things that bring out every obscure bug there is
[08:54] <ethana3> does this mean i'm a good alpha tester?
[08:54] <Dr_willis> i also notice that fusesmb seems to not function right either.
[08:55] <ethana3> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel
[08:55] <ethana3> yup, had the pci memorized
[08:55] <ethana3> i'll use vim instead of gedit
[08:55] <ethana3> because of the crazy mice
[08:56] <ethana3> for those wondering about colemak, q and w are the same as qwerty
[08:56] <ethana3> and they're all i use, besides i
[08:56] <ethana3> and :
[08:56] <ethana3> ..in vim
[08:56]  * Gnine shivers
[08:57] <ethana3> what's the busid option thing?
[08:57] <ethana3> BusID?
[08:57] <ethana3> with "0:02.0" after it?
[08:57] <ethana3> hope so, that's what i did
[08:58] <ethana3> ...restarting x again
[08:58] <ethana3> *sigh*
[08:59] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I usually just don't use BusIDs.
[09:01] <ethana3> the failsafe xorg.conf was angering me so i destroyed it
[09:01] <ethana3> my xorg.conf looks good
[09:02] <ethana3> restarting x /again/
[09:04] <ethana3> drat
[09:04] <ethana3> it won't switch to my other screen and gpu
[09:04] <ethana3> looks like i'll have to use the radeon card for now
[09:05] <ethana3> under vesa or something
[09:05] <ethana3> why does radeon ignore my mode settings?
[09:05] <ethana3> that's horrible
[09:05] <ethana3> not guessing right is one thing...
[09:05] <ethana3> time to take another whack at that poor xorg.conf in vim
[09:06] <ethana3> i guess i should be happy that it can raise itself from the dead
[09:07] <ethana3> on the other hand, that's what rescue terminal is for
[09:07] <ethana3> and i'm no stranger
[09:07] <ethana3> so it kind of steps on my toes
[09:07] <underwatercow> The crash happened in the firmware of the computer ("BIOS"), which cannot be influenced by the operating system.
[09:07] <underwatercow> never seen that before
[09:07] <underwatercow> lol
[09:07] <ethana3> that sounds like a hypervisor more than a bios
[09:07] <ethana3> lol
[09:07] <ethana3> ..this is hopeless, /for now/
[09:08] <underwatercow> Problem in usplash
[09:08] <underwatercow> how would my BIOS cause usplash to crash?
[09:08] <ethana3> compiz vs. full res, i must choose full res
[09:08] <Dr_willis> framebuffer issue?
[09:08] <underwatercow> lol
[09:08] <underwatercow> can't the softward be fixed to still not crash?
[09:08] <underwatercow> software*
[09:08] <arabiannights> hey
[09:09] <arabiannights> opensuse is better than ubuntu
[09:09] <ethana3> hey
[09:09] <ethana3> we're all in this together
[09:09] <underwatercow> lol
[09:09] <ethana3> ...ssoooo failsafe raped my xorg.conf
[09:09] <ethana3> to put it bluntly
[09:09] <underwatercow> I tried opensuse... it was ok.. I like Ubuntu more though
[09:09] <ethana3> i tried that and fedora
[09:10] <ethana3> back when my gpu wasn't supported
[09:10] <arabiannights> which you like fedora or opensuse?
[09:10] <ethana3> and i couldn't even figure out the package management
[09:10] <ethana3> ubuntu.
[09:10] <underwatercow> I like the repos in ubuntu/debian more than in opensuse
[09:10] <ethana3> yes... those that i never did figure out
[09:10] <ethana3> gave up
[09:10] <underwatercow> yast
[09:10] <ethana3> yeah that
[09:10] <underwatercow> :-p
[09:10] <underwatercow> never really figured it out either
[09:10] <ethana3> ok, i thought this xorg would be better
[09:10] <ethana3> it's horrible for configuration
[09:11] <ethana3> keep xorg.conf in all its glory
[09:11] <underwatercow> ethana3: is it fully upgraded?
[09:11] <ethana3> and just give us a working GUI
[09:11] <ethana3> yes.
[09:11] <ethana3> i think so
[09:11] <ethana3> i'll make sure
[09:11] <ethana3> yes.
[09:11] <ethana3> yes it is
[09:12] <underwatercow> lol
[09:12] <ethana3> so it won't let me fix it
[09:12] <ethana3> and it won't let me let it fix it
[09:12] <kst-> is hardy going to break for me? :p
[09:12] <ethana3> 15 minutes and my system is screwed already
[09:12] <ethana3> that's a record
[09:12] <ethana3> kst-: config/
[09:12] <ethana3> ?
[09:12] <ethana3> dual gpu?
[09:12] <kst-> i take this as a "yes" ethana3 :D
[09:12] <ethana3> perhaps
[09:13] <ethana3> i saved my /home to another hard drive
[09:13] <underwatercow> xorg 7.4 or 7.5 is supposed to allow for multiple input devices
[09:13] <kst-> nah pentium M, ati x700 mobility (lappy) and so on
[09:13] <ethana3> well yeah
[09:13] <ethana3> multi touch and such
[09:13] <ethana3> but i need native dual seat
[09:13] <ethana3> and proper colemak
[09:13] <underwatercow> that is, like, two mice and such too
[09:13] <ethana3> and working autoconfiguration
[09:13] <ethana3> yes.
[09:13] <ethana3> two of everything
[09:13] <underwatercow> lol
[09:13] <underwatercow> or three I guess
[09:13] <kst-> so is hardy in a useable state already or still crashing every half an hour? :)
[09:13] <underwatercow> it's usable
[09:14] <underwatercow> but a tad buggy
[09:14] <ethana3> intel, radeon, two CRT's, two mice, two keyboards
[09:14] <ethana3> depends who you are
[09:14] <ethana3> it's friendly
[09:14] <ethana3> i
[09:14] <ethana3> m just not its friend
[09:14] <underwatercow> I'm using it right now
[09:14] <underwatercow> lol
[09:14] <ethana3> same
[09:14] <ethana3> if you can't tell ^_^
[09:14] <underwatercow> the problem with alphas is I keep sitting here wishing they would put out updates
[09:14] <underwatercow> lol
[09:14] <kst-> my gutsy system is almost screwed because i installed countless random desktops and stuff :D so i might as well update to hardy before i format :-)
[09:14] <underwatercow> lol
[09:14] <kst-> how much disk space do i need for that?
[09:15] <underwatercow> for updating?
[09:15] <ethana3> not much
[09:15] <kst-> ye updating
[09:15] <ethana3> oh
[09:15] <underwatercow> I think it's about 1 gig of downloads
[09:15] <kst-> :E
[09:15] <rsk> sure but you can remove loads also
[09:15] <ethana3> notice
[09:15] <ethana3> that's bigger than the CD
[09:15] <ethana3> lol
[09:15] <underwatercow> lol
[09:15] <underwatercow> well, it was like, 1 gig for me...
[09:15] <underwatercow> :-p
[09:15] <underwatercow> I don't know why
[09:15] <ethana3> they need to respin bi-weekly for stable
[09:16] <underwatercow> respin?
[09:16] <ethana3> but they don't want to give OCD people another..
[09:16] <ethana3> yes
[09:16] <ethana3> spin updates into the disk images
[09:16] <ethana3> to save bandwidth
[09:16] <rsk> all the packages that you installed after you installed lets say 7.10
[09:16] <rsk> are also updated
[09:16] <ethana3> yes
[09:16] <rsk> so that's why its bigger than the cd
[09:16] <underwatercow> yeah
[09:16] <underwatercow> it also sometimes removes things for no good reason
[09:16] <underwatercow> lol
[09:17] <rsk> who needs firefox anyway?
[09:17] <underwatercow> lol
[09:17] <kst-> is anyone using kubuntu hardy? kde integration any good? i've used some opensuse 10.3 at uni and i liked it, but when i just added kde-desktop to my gutsy gnome install it was rather buggy and i hated it :(
[09:17] <underwatercow> it removed epiphany when I tried updating
[09:17] <ethana3> brb
[09:17] <underwatercow> I haven't heard too much about kde... my friend didn't like dolphin
[09:17] <Ayabara> 14th february: Upgrade Testing begins. what does this mean?
[09:18] <rsk> what it says Ayabara ?
[09:18] <rsk> :P
[09:19] <underwatercow> I guess tesing the upgrade
[09:19] <underwatercow> testing*
[09:19] <Ayabara> rsk: hehe. I'm thinking about upgrading to hardy and using it on a daily basis (with the risk of breakage), and that line made me wonder how I should install it :-)
[09:19]  * DanaG uses aptitude.
[09:19] <DanaG> It tells you everything it plans to do, before it does it.
[09:19] <underwatercow> from personal experience, I would definitely not recommend upgrading
[09:19] <underwatercow> lol
[09:19] <underwatercow> the cd install worked best for me
[09:19] <ethana3> yes.
[09:19] <ethana3> this is for the bleeding edge
[09:19] <ethana3> of course
[09:20] <ethana3> it's the only way to get pidgin 2.3.1 other than source
[09:20] <DanaG> Oh yeah, about the BusID thingy: for two different video cards, you might not even need them/
[09:20] <DanaG> .
[09:20] <underwatercow> trying to do upgrades from gutsy to hardy through update-manager left me with more issues than anything
[09:20] <ethana3> i only have it set up for one so far
[09:20] <ethana3> i want to keep that working
[09:20] <underwatercow> what is new in 2.3.1?
[09:20] <ethana3> because 0 is not a good number of seats
[09:20] <Ayabara> I'm probably ordering a new pc tomorrow, so maybe I should wait until that arrives in 2-3 weeks time
[09:20] <ethana3> various bugfixes
[09:20] <ethana3> some probably security related
[09:20] <ethana3> as well as various... improvements
[09:21] <ethana3> better utilization of various IM protocols
[09:21] <ethana3> file transfer and such
[09:21] <ethana3> i don't remember, they have a changelog
[09:21] <underwatercow> what exactly does the Ubuntu team do?
[09:22] <ethana3> integrates packages
[09:22] <ethana3> maintains repos
[09:22] <ethana3> forwards bugs
[09:22] <ethana3> fixes bugs
[09:22] <ethana3> they probably directly contribute to every project out there
[09:22] <underwatercow> that's about what I thought, lol
[09:22] <underwatercow> do they do any original work?
[09:22] <underwatercow> or mostly integration work?
[09:23] <ethana3> well
[09:23] <ethana3> i'd think they make their own gnome stuff
[09:23] <ethana3> and start using it before gnome does
[09:23] <underwatercow> like what?
[09:23] <ethana3> i thought they actually made Screens and Graphics
[09:23] <ethana3> ...which, you know
[09:23] <ethana3> was a nice thought
[09:23] <underwatercow> lol
[09:23] <underwatercow> back to this again?
[09:23] <underwatercow> ;-D
[09:23] <ethana3> ...potentially very powerful
[09:24] <ethana3> i hope to push its limits
[09:24] <ethana3> until hardy is released
[09:24] <ethana3> with my bizarre demands on xorg
[09:24] <underwatercow> what I want to know is why there isn't a way to make your wallpaper randomly in gnome
[09:24] <underwatercow> change randomly*
[09:24] <ethana3> with Fyre
[09:24] <ethana3> on the fly
[09:24] <ethana3> lol, slideshow
[09:24] <underwatercow> or to make it so you can have different wallpapers on each workspace
[09:24] <ethana3> they're working on that
[09:24] <underwatercow> or to make it so you can hide certain drives on the desktop
[09:24] <underwatercow> :-p
[09:24] <ethana3> KDE4 is laying on the heat
[09:25] <underwatercow> KDE allows that
[09:25] <underwatercow> but I hate KDE, so....
[09:25] <ethana3> competition is about to get fierce
[09:25] <underwatercow> lol
[09:25] <DanaG> What I want:
[09:25] <DanaG> Fedora 8's nice wallpaper changey thingy.
[09:25] <ethana3> or Eubuntu
[09:25] <underwatercow> what is so great about it?
[09:25] <DanaG> The wallpaper changes color smoothly through the day.
[09:25] <ethana3> it has something like that too
[09:25] <underwatercow> I use wallpaper-tray
[09:25] <ethana3> yeah, it's just nifty
[09:25] <DanaG> It gives a sense of sunrise, noon, sunset, and night.
[09:25] <underwatercow> changes every hour I think
[09:25] <ethana3> i filmed a bunch of videos
[09:25] <underwatercow> that's neat
[09:25] <ethana3> to use as my background
[09:26] <ethana3> like, water flowing mostly
[09:26] <DanaG> I wish Nautilus supported videos, too.
[09:26] <ethana3> so i'm ready to see that feature show up
[09:26] <Ayabara> there's no change in the artwork for hardy yet?
[09:26] <underwatercow> yeah, there is
[09:26] <ethana3> i hope they axe human
[09:26] <ethana3> orange is ugly
[09:26] <ethana3> i like green and up on the spectrum
[09:26] <underwatercow> The wallpaper is like, elephany skin or something now
[09:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if you see any videos on dream.wincustomize.com that you want, I can go to Vista and extract the videos, and then put them on my Cal Poly web space.
[09:26] <ethana3> and black and white
[09:26] <underwatercow> elephant*
[09:26] <underwatercow> and there is a diff theme
[09:26] <underwatercow> might not be the final though
[09:27] <DanaG> I'm using the Nodoka theme with colors toned down to be less OMG-so-bright-I-need-sunglasses blue.
[09:27] <ethana3> i turn off nautilus
[09:27] <ethana3> and use screensavers as my background
[09:27] <ethana3> some of them don't buffer themselves though
[09:27] <underwatercow> screensavers as your background? how does that work
[09:27] <underwatercow> lol
[09:27] <ethana3> so it's mainly the 3d ones that don't tear when you move windows
[09:27] <ethana3> it's simple
[09:27] <ethana3> first, go into gConf
[09:27] <ethana3> turn nautilus off
[09:27] <ethana3> yes. off.
[09:28] <ethana3> then, go to /usr/lib/xscreensaver
[09:28] <ethana3> or something like that
[09:28] <DanaG> Another fun thing: I edited the source of the snowglobe thingy for compiz, so I can make the flakes freakishly huge.
[09:28] <ethana3> and run the one you want with the -root argument
[09:28] <DanaG> Now I have a big fuzzy snowball in the center of my cube.
[09:28] <ethana3> some use -r instead
[09:28] <ethana3> i also want to be able to just select those
[09:28] <ethana3> for my background
[09:28] <underwatercow> lol... interesting...
[09:28] <ethana3> so i don't have to use the terminal
[09:28] <ethana3> they don't work in compiz, i don't think
[09:28] <Ayabara> from the screenshots I see of nodoka in ubuntu it looks like a blue human theme..
[09:28] <ethana3> yet, anyway
[09:28] <underwatercow> Linux has come such a long way... and yet there is still so much left to do
[09:28] <underwatercow> lol
[09:29] <ethana3> oooh
[09:29] <ethana3> blue is good
[09:29] <underwatercow> blubuntu!
[09:29] <ethana3> blue is awesome
[09:29] <ethana3> ...no.
[09:29] <underwatercow> lol
[09:29] <ethana3> lol
[09:29] <DanaG> I use the colors from some "Jellyfish" theme I found on gnome-look.org.
[09:29] <DanaG> This is the first blue theme I've found that I don't hate.
[09:29] <ethana3> excellent
[09:29] <ethana3> i want to be able to add themes through add/remove
[09:29] <DanaG> I usually think blue is overused and cliché, but not with this one.
[09:29] <ethana3> with the star ratings and all
[09:29] <ethana3> straight from gnome-look
[09:30] <ethana3> i must take a shower now
[09:30] <ethana3> i'll see you all in 10
[09:30] <ethana3> and then i must sleep
[09:30] <underwatercow> hmmm... ooh... would it be possible to make a script that will install a bunch of things (in rc.local or something) and then delete itself when it was done? That could further automate my backup process... lol
[09:30] <DanaG> I'm going to go to bed now.
[09:30] <underwatercow> yeah, I'm getting sleepy
[09:30] <DanaG> underwatercow: you can just cron stuff.
[09:30] <DanaG> I don't know the details, but there's a daemon that can run stuff at various intervals.
[09:30] <underwatercow> DanaG: I'm just always looking for ways to further automate my backups and restores
[09:30] <underwatercow> I would only need to run it once obviously
[09:31] <DanaG> I've typically used 'faubackup' to back up stuff.
[09:31] <underwatercow> I've worked hard to figure out where evolution saves all it's files (three locations) and which files mozilla stores settings in, etc
[09:31] <DanaG> It makes time-marked stuff with hardlinks.
[09:31] <underwatercow> I use sbackup
[09:31] <DanaG> I think I remember sbackup not working for me.
[09:31] <underwatercow> it works spectacularly for me
[09:31] <underwatercow> one of the best I've used
[09:32] <underwatercow> every now and again it has an issue restoring, but it's seldom and not really a problem
[09:32] <DanaG> Does it do incremental?
[09:33] <underwatercow> yep
[09:33] <underwatercow> and lets you set a schedule on when to delete files
[09:33] <underwatercow> after a cut off
[09:33] <underwatercow> or logarithmic
[09:33] <underwatercow> you can also tell it to use either cron, or anocron
[09:33] <underwatercow> anacron*
[09:33]  * DanaG ponders getting a new external drive and just using "never" for deleting.
[09:34] <underwatercow> lol, I have mine set to logarithmic
[09:34] <underwatercow> my full backups are less than a gig
[09:35] <underwatercow> you can choose what to exclude by path, file type, size, and regex
[09:35] <underwatercow> I love regex exclusions
[09:35] <underwatercow> very useful
[09:36] <underwatercow> for instance, I tell it not to backup .*\.before_restore_.*
[09:36] <underwatercow> almost essential
[09:36] <underwatercow> lol
[09:36] <DanaG> OOh, it DOES look useful.
[09:36] <DanaG> WHat's .*\.before_restore_.* ?
[09:36] <underwatercow> when it restores over a file that already exists
[09:36] <underwatercow> it will add a before_restore to it
[09:36] <underwatercow> and leave it there with the restore file
[09:37] <underwatercow> so if you don't have an exclusion like that
[09:37] <underwatercow> you can get layered backups
[09:37] <underwatercow> lol
[09:37] <underwatercow> make sense?
[09:37] <DanaG> Layered?
[09:37] <underwatercow> for instance
[09:37] <underwatercow> say you backup an entire folder
[09:38] <underwatercow> when you restore it, say that one of the files is there by default
[09:38] <Almindor> hello
[09:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, try deleting stuff in the new gvfs trash.....
[09:38] <DanaG> it replicates.
[09:38] <DanaG> Hah!
[09:38] <underwatercow> I saw that
[09:38] <underwatercow> lol
[09:38] <underwatercow> it confused me at first
[09:38] <Almindor> I just read about the new prefetch (ugh, reminds me of vista and all the...), and I got a few questions
[09:38] <Almindor> 1. hopefully it'll be turn-offable right?
[09:38] <DanaG> It's like those magic bucket-carrying brooms.
[09:38] <underwatercow> but yeah, so say there is a file in the folder you are backing up called alpha.odt, or whatever
[09:39] <DanaG> Squash one, you get two.
[09:39] <Almindor> 2. if it runs, it'll use the disk when low activity, won't that kill power management?
[09:39] <underwatercow> you restore, and you have Alpha.odt and Alpha.odt.before_restore
[09:39] <underwatercow> if that backs up
[09:39] <underwatercow> and you restore
[09:39] <underwatercow> you would get something like
[09:39] <DanaG> Does that regex match even without trailing underscore?
[09:40] <underwatercow> yeah, it would
[09:40] <DanaG> .*\.before_restore_.*   ← what about that underscore?
[09:40] <DanaG> Oh, and get something like? ..
[09:40] <underwatercow> it's there... I think there is a time stamp after the last underscore
[09:40] <DanaG> ...
[09:40] <underwatercow> I'm actually not positive, but I'm pretty sure you would get something like...
[09:41] <underwatercow> Alpha.odt, Alpha.odt.before_restore, and Alpha.odt.before_restore.before_restore...
[09:41] <DanaG> Still missing underscore.
[09:41] <underwatercow> yeah, I'm lazy
[09:41] <underwatercow> I don't feel like making up a time stamp
[09:42] <DanaG> should say .before_restore_<timestamp1>.before_restore_<timestamp2>
[09:42] <DanaG> That gets the point across.
[09:42] <underwatercow> now you're just making it complicated
[09:42] <underwatercow> lol
[09:43] <underwatercow> either way, I'm pretty sure it does that, but even if it only keeps the one before_restore, that's too much for me... I don't ever usually care what the file was that I'm restoring over
[09:43] <underwatercow> if I do a restore over .evolution though, I have to delete any of the before_restore files because evolution will see them and get weird and clutterd
[09:43] <DanaG> Anyway, time for me to go to bed.
[09:44] <underwatercow> yeah... I didn't mean to stay up so late
[09:44] <DanaG> 1:43 AM Pacific (daylight? beats me.)
[09:44] <DanaG> s/beats me/I don't have a frickin' clue/
[09:56] <ethana3> done with shOWER
[09:57] <ethana3> i must go to bed soon
[09:57] <ethana3> the devs read these channel logs, right?
[09:57] <DarkMageZ> ethana3, some of them may be reading now. some may look at parts of it later.
[09:58] <ethana3> excellent
[09:58] <DarkMageZ> but it's always best to file bugs & questions on the tracker ?
[09:58] <ethana3> yes
[09:58] <ethana3> hmm
[09:59] <ethana3> well i do that
[09:59] <ethana3> but i push the limits so far
[09:59] <ethana3> many of my ideas are currently out of scope or impractical
[09:59] <ethana3> i must resort to pushing them one
[09:59] <ethana3> by
[09:59] <ethana3> one
[10:00] <ethana3> well
[10:00] <ethana3> this time i have two
[10:00] <innertrut3> !enter
[10:00] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[10:00] <ethana3> i figure my DE related ones will happen on their own when gnome tries to catch up to KDE 4.1
[10:01] <ethana3> ok, got it. sorry
[10:01] <ethana3> thanks, innertruth
[10:02] <SR71-Blackbird> why does the remote desktop viewer accept only 8 digit for passwords?
[10:03]  * SR71-Blackbird goes to see if there are any bug reports on this
[10:30] <dejv_ntb> hello
[10:36] <dejv_ntb> is here somebody, who understands ubuntu's suspend policy?
[11:30] <ubuntu> lovely colours on irssi :)
[11:52] <zombie_monkey> guys, what can I do to supply more information about this bug that I submitted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/187335
[11:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187335 in gnome-system-tools "Unlock button throws an error, doesn't authenticate" [Low,Incomplete]
[11:55] <zombie_monkey> I mean I will install again and see if I can reproduce it; it occured only after about five minutes after installation when I made osme minor settings
[11:56] <zombie_monkey> but maybe I should try and find mroe about it first...
[12:10] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone solve that libpython.2.5.so ibrary files missing problem?
[12:10] <yao_ziyuan> currently i solved the screen resolution problem by copying a kubuntu 7.10 xorg.conf to Hardy 4
[12:45] <mrmonday> is it too late to suggest a feature for Hardy? (it's only a few extra words added into the installer that I'm thinking, not a lot of code needed)
[13:36] <yao_ziyuan> strange:
[13:36] <yao_ziyuan> if i choose "chinese" before installing Hardy Alpha 4,
[13:36] <yao_ziyuan> after installation i can immediately use chinese input methods
[13:37] <yao_ziyuan> but if i choose "english" before installation and manually add language Chinese after installation,
[13:37] <yao_ziyuan> i don't have chinese input
[13:38] <yao_ziyuan> anyway, most chinese users would probably choose "chinese" before installation
[13:39] <Loevborg> Is it possible, and sensible, to install hardy in a virtual machine for beta testing?
[13:40] <yao_ziyuan> Loevborg: i do
[13:40] <yao_ziyuan> the problem is that scim -d failed to start
[13:40] <Loevborg> yao_ziyuan: any hints on how to do this easily in virtualbox (host: gutsy)?
[13:40] <yao_ziyuan> Loevborg: i use a different vm manager
[13:41] <Loevborg> yao_ziyuan: scim doesn't seem like an essential part
[13:41] <yao_ziyuan> Loevborg: not talking to you
[13:41] <Loevborg> yao_ziyuan: for europeans I mean
[13:41] <yao_ziyuan> but if i exit skim and then scim can start
[13:41] <Loevborg> ah okay, sorry
[13:49] <yao_ziyuan> found the problem:
[13:49] <yao_ziyuan> by adding language Chinese, the system does not install skim-scim-pinyin
[13:57] <yao_ziyuan> but it still isn't everything
[14:35] <muszek> hi
[14:36] <muszek> I'm on gutsy: gksu update-manager -d #  it doesn't show hardy as a possible upgrade
[14:36] <muszek> sudo update-manager -d # it shows hardy...
[14:37] <muszek> any idea why?
[14:37] <bardyr> hmm, gksu and sudo should be the same thing :/
[14:38] <bardyr> muszek, anyways now is a bad time to upgrade, at least for ubuntu
[14:39] <muszek> bardyr: why?
[14:39] <bardyr> muszek, gvfs will eat your files and do nasty thing to you
[14:39] <muszek> I'm kinda sick of a ipw3945 driver bug that freezes my laptop every day or two (hard reboot required)
[14:40] <muszek> bardyr: even if I'll refrain from using nautilus?
[14:40] <bardyr> muszek, then go for it, just have plenty of backups
[14:41] <muszek> bardyr: when do you think it will be safe?
[14:42] <bardyr> muszek, when gnome 2.22 is released, or when they get gvfs running stable
[14:45] <muszek> thanks for your answers, mate
[14:47] <bardyr> muszek, if you just need to fix the ipw3945 issues you could grab the hardy kernel and stay gutsy for the rest
[14:47] <bardyr> and hope it works
[14:48] <muszek> bardyr: simply downloading kernel, headers and restricted modules and installing them?
[14:49] <bardyr> yep
[14:49] <muszek> good idea, thank you
[14:52] <h3sp4wn> Is gb.archive.ubuntu.com really slow today or is it the crappy connection I am using.
[14:56] <muszek> h3sp4wn: I've moved to UK half a year ago and every broadband I've worked with was unreliable and dropping to ~512kbps when people are at home (weekends, 18-24 weekdays)
[15:13] <kristjan_> still no kde4 iso for hardy?
[15:22] <h3sp4wn> muszek: I usually get 500KB/s from home or 1100KB/s from my university (being getting like 30-50KB/s
[15:37] <morphir> all of the proposed gtk theme mockups will require the pixmap lib. Does anyone know about the progress about the theme?
[15:37] <morphir> http://tuxenclave.wordpress.com/2008/01/15/ubuntu-to-get-visual-refresh-with-hardy-heron/
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> They seem to do a visual refresh every release as far as I can see
[15:40] <morphir> h3sp4wn, hmm
[15:41] <morphir> as far as I can see, there is nothing too exciting in alpha4
[15:43] <morphir> h3sp4wn, I'm talking from a pure visual point of view
[15:45] <h3sp4wn> morphir: I am also they always moved things around
[16:00] <theunixgeek> I need good ncurses documentation outside the man pages. Any suggestions?
[16:03] <h3sp4wn> theunixgeek: Could try the xopen curses docs (ncurses is a superset)
[16:04] <theunixgeek> h3sp4wn: may I have a link please?
[16:04] <theunixgeek> :)
[16:05] <h3sp4wn> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/cursesix.html (maybe you think its just as bad but the docs are accurate and complete which is what I am bothered about)
[16:06] <theunixgeek> h3sp4wn: thanks. I was searching for something more tutorial-like, though
[16:06] <h3sp4wn> The first 3 sections are tutorial like (to me anyway)
[16:07] <theunixgeek> oh, right. they are. thanks :)
[16:21] <PriceChild> I'm doing a little testing in VM preparing for an upgrade to hardy. Could anyone tell me the state of intel 945 if they're running it? I remember things were bad earlier.
[16:21] <ankur> I have installed all the required apps to access bluetooth devices but when I try to connect one using gnome-bluetooth I get Nautilus cannot handle obex: locations.
[16:22] <yao_ziyuan> i want Hardy to improve its Add Language functionality
[16:22] <yao_ziyuan> when adding Chinese/Japanese/Korean, the system should set up input methods
[16:22] <yao_ziyuan> just like the system does if the user chooses Chinese/Japanese/Korean before installation of Hardy
[16:29] <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: Depends what you need to do
[16:30] <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: xrandr 1.2 is still not properly supported by most wm's but single screen should be fine
[16:30] <PriceChild> h3sp4wn, i've been told i'm going to need to force full memory allocation for decent performance
[16:30] <PriceChild> meh this is a laptop so not too bothered
[16:32] <tapas> hi, i am downloading the 64 bit iso of the alpha.. i wonde rhow tough it is to get 32 bit only binaries to work there?
[16:32] <tapas> e.g. flashplayer.. mplayer codecs etc..
[16:33] <gilnfld> i did an upgrade to alpha4 yesterday. I am having some problems with my ATI drivers. can someone help me with fglrx setup
[16:35] <h3sp4wn> tapas: Its very easy just use the binary firefox form mozilla.org put it into /opt
[16:35] <h3sp4wn> (more reliable than nspluginwrapper
[16:36] <h3sp4wn> (There is enough of the 32bit stuff to put a 32bit java in /opt as well if you get ia32-libs / ia32-libs-gtk
[16:36] <tapas> h3sp4wn: 32 bit binary?
[16:36] <tapas> ok
[16:36] <tapas> and mplayer/kaffeine/gstreamer?
[16:38] <LinAsH> gilnfld, did you try the free ati driver? it's quite good nowadays.
[16:39] <gilnfld> LinAsH: i cant get free driver to support xgl/
[16:41] <LinAsH> gilnfld, why use xgl when you can use AIGLX?
[16:42] <gilnfld> LinAsH: how do i do that?
[16:42] <LinAsH> gilnfld, what's your ATI card?
[16:44] <gilnfld> LinAsH: X300
[16:45] <LinAsH> gilnfld, that's my /etc/xorg.conf : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54625/ backup yours and try
[16:46] <gilnfld> ok thanks
[16:46] <gilnfld> looking at it now
[17:14] <mnemonic_> Does the Firefox 3 beta work for anyone with Pulseaudio on Hardy?
[17:24] <JanC> h3sp4wn: 32-bit browser & plugins doesn't work with 64-bit pulseaudio...
[17:25] <JanC> mnemonic_: Firefox 3 doesn't use pulseaudio AFAIK ?
[17:25] <zoke> firefox 3 has no audio output
[17:25] <zoke> the plugins do
[17:26] <JanC> and those should work with firefox 3 (if installed for FF3)
[17:26] <JanC> except for flash which is 32-bit, and there is no 32-bit pulseaudio library AFAIK
[17:27] <JanC> (I should try that again some day though)
[17:27] <mnemonic_> I have a complete 32-bit machine no 64-bit stuff.
[17:27] <mnemonic_> Firefox 2 works like a charm if I hook Pulseaudio to ALSA.
[17:28] <JanC> do you have any audio plugins installed in FF3 ?
[17:28] <mnemonic_> Firefox 3 doesn't start without any error message. I see a little CPU load but nothing happens.
[17:28] <mnemonic_> JanC, yes, mplayer (but that works as standalone).
[17:28] <mnemonic_> Shall I try without?
[17:29] <JanC> mplayer-plugin needs to be configured to use pulseaudio maybe?
[17:29] <mnemonic_> JanC, I'll check. (may be absent for a couple of minutes)
[17:29] <JanC> and make sure it's installed (see about:plugins )
[17:54] <mnemonic_> Even without any plugins the Firefox 3 beta won't start for me while pulseaudio is running.
[18:03] <crimsun> mnemonic_: erm
[18:04] <crimsun> mnemonic_: are you using the repo versions of flashplugin-nonfree /and/ libflashsupport?
[18:05] <mnemonic_> crimsun, ah yes I do.
[18:10] <crimsun> mnemonic_: are you stating that firefox-3.0 from the repo does not start at all with pulseaudio exclusively opening hw:0?
[18:11] <crimsun> I have a really difficult time believing that firefox-3.0 cares about alsa period.
[18:12] <mnemonic_> crimsun, it seems to me. I'll check with pulseaudio disabled one more time. It could be that some updates (I have a partial gutsy/hardy install) caused this.
[18:17] <mnemonic_> crimsun, without pulseaudio, ff3b starts just fine.
[18:17] <crimsun> mnemonic_: to be honest, I'm not particularly interested in cross-grades, because they're neither supported nor supportable.
[18:18] <crimsun> mnemonic_: if you can reproduce the symptom using an Alpha 4 desktop CD, that's something different altogether.
[18:19] <crimsun> mnemonic_: partial cross-grades and dist-upgrades are /incredibly/ difficult to troubleshoot, because there are far too many variables, e.g., toolchain skew, silent ABI change, etc.
[18:19] <mnemonic_> crimsun, yup. Maybe I'll try a live cd later.
[18:21] <crimsun> mnemonic_: in this case (in the spirit of DIY), mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.bak && pkill firefox-bin ; ps -C pulseaudio ; firefox-3.0&
[18:42] <WorkingOnWise> Is ked4 stuck in a dependancy hell? I try to install it and am told that  kdebase-runtime is needed but not installable. I try to select  kdebase-runtime and am told that kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is needed but wont be installed. I try to install kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 and am told that kdebase-runtime!!
[18:43] <WorkingOnWise> kde4, not ked4....hehe
[18:56] <Assid> heya
[18:56] <Assid> is something wrong with alpha4?
[18:57] <Assid> damn thing drains my laptop battery faster
[18:58] <zoke> Assid, do you have an intel processor ?
[18:58] <zoke> becase powertop can help you determine what is going on
[18:58] <zoke> http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/
[18:59] <Assid> yes
[18:59] <zoke> my guess is one program is just draining your power, figure out what it is and then bug report it
[19:06] <Assid> nah.. im using the same applications i did all this time
[19:06] <Assid> just that i updated to alpha4 and wham.. its lower
[19:08] <Assid> also emerald crashes more often
[19:08] <Assid> and if you resume after suspend.. it crashes compiz
[19:09] <zoke> Assid, if it is a regression then file a bug for sure.
[19:48] <JanC> Assid: seriously, like zoke said, powertop is really useful to find which programme causes your problem
[19:48] <Assid> libata
[19:49] <dejv_ntb> regarding suspend
[19:49] <dejv_ntb> does stock suspend work for you?
[19:49] <Assid> stock suspend?
[19:49] <dejv_ntb> the one that ships with ubuntu by default
[19:49] <dejv_ntb> swsusp I guess
[19:49] <Assid> ummm.. im using the one that comes with ubuntu
[19:50] <Assid> i dont think i installed anything in particular for suspend
[19:50] <JanC> libata might wake-up the kernel "too often" because some application is polling something..
[19:50]  * dejv_ntb 's laptop is somewhat enchanted since Feistys final
[19:50] <JanC> try to find which application causes this
[19:51] <Assid> trying
[19:51] <dejv_ntb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/123002
[19:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123002 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Broken suspend on 2.6.20-16.29" [High,Confirmed]
[19:52] <dejv_ntb> wasn't repaired neither in feisty, nor in gutsy, nor in hardy
[19:52] <coz_> hey guys  just upgraded to hardy and there is no nautilus   "Nautilus depneds on libeel2-2(>=2.21.90) but 2.20.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[19:52] <dejv_ntb> while uswsusp works fine
[19:52] <Assid> http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1vf7.png
[19:53] <Assid> weird.. my suspend works.. but i think the system crashed shortly after
[19:56] <bardyr> dammm
[19:57] <Assid> ?
[19:57] <dejv_ntb> uswsusp works fine for me
[19:57] <Assid> whats uswsusp ?
[19:57] <Assid> im not using that.. i dont thinkso
[19:57] <Assid> im using the system's suspend
[19:58] <dejv_ntb> I only had to change /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-power-hibernate-linux to use s2disk instead of the stock mess
[19:58] <dejv_ntb> and no problems while suspending or hibernating occured
[19:59] <dejv_ntb> s2ram, s2disk, s2both
[19:59] <Assid> my compiz goes nutty
[19:59] <Assid> why cant we have a gui to manage the hibernate settings?
[19:59] <tapas> hmm, man pages look a bit weird here in terminal on x86_64
[20:00] <dejv_ntb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uswsusp
[20:01] <Assid> im not using uswsusp
[20:01] <Assid> am using the default one
[20:01] <Assid> press the power button.. and then suspend
[20:03] <dejv_ntb> I'm invoking it the same way
[20:03] <dejv_ntb> g-p-m then asks hal to hibernate
[20:03] <dejv_ntb> and hal runs /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-power-hibernate-linux
[20:04] <dejv_ntb> I replaced this file with simple:
[20:04] <dejv_ntb> #!/bin/sh
[20:04] <dejv_ntb> s2disk
[20:08] <Assid> the entire thing?
[20:08] <dejv_ntb> yep
[20:09] <Assid> i think it works here
[20:09] <dejv_ntb> I keep a backup
[20:09] <dejv_ntb> just in case somebody could help me debug it
[20:09] <Assid> weird
[20:10] <Assid> okay quick question.. my wifi keeps getting cut
[20:10] <Assid> and connecting to it at times is a pain
[20:10] <Assid> works fine for my bros mac
[20:10] <Assid> anywasy.. brb.. lemme try suspend
[20:10] <Assid> okay suspend or hibernate?
[20:11] <JanC> wifi ==> check if you don't have neighbours using an overlapping channel...
[20:11] <Assid> lemme try hibernate
[20:12] <dejv_ntb> hibernate can AFAIK use all three methods
[20:12] <dejv_ntb> swsusp, uswsusp, suspend2
[20:12] <dejv_ntb> though it was developed for suspend2 primarily
[20:13]  * dejv_ntb never used it
[20:16] <Assid> okay
[20:17] <Assid> i recovered from hibernate fine..  but the problem of compiz dying still happens
[20:17] <kekZpriester> re
[20:17] <Assid> i wonder if having a s2disk would make any difference
[20:17] <Assid> okay who was i speaking to who suggested to use that
[20:33] <dejv_ntb> is here somebody who develops/maintains suspend-related stuff?
[20:35] <Assid> err pgadmin is old in the hardy packaes
[20:35] <Assid> pgadmin 1.8.2 is the current stable
[21:23] <akhenaton> hi; can anybody, please help me? i just installed hardy and couldn't find the restricted drivers manager. thanks
[21:24] <akhenaton> i want to install nvidia driver
[21:24] <rsk> it's called something else now afaik akhenaton
[21:25] <rsk> like Driver manager
[21:25] <akhenaton> ..and last time a had kubuntu installed (gutsy) it was simple to do that
[21:26] <akhenaton> rsk: i can't locate any "manager" or something like that; i just don't want to break anythig (installing the nvidia binary driver manualy)
[21:27] <rsk> fire up synaptic then
[21:27] <rsk> and install the driver from there
[21:28] <akhenaton> *adept; yup, i did that; there is no nvidia-glx; only nvidia-glx-legacy there
[21:28] <akhenaton> (i have a geforce 7600 go; toshiba laptop)
[21:29] <akhenaton> rsk: any ideea what to do? please help
[21:31] <Assid> wouldnt that use the nvidia-new?
[21:32] <akhenaton> Assid: that's what i thought, but there isn't any nvidia-new in hardy's repos
[21:32] <Assid> err. im using it!
[21:32] <Assid> atleast on my desktop i am
[21:32] <Assid> the restricted manager loaded it up for me
[21:32] <akhenaton> do you have hardy alpha 4?
[21:32] <akhenaton> (like me)
[21:33] <Assid> yes
[21:33] <Assid> but you still had to run some nvidia-settings or something after that to make use of the driver
[21:33] <akhenaton> and what's the "manager"'s name?
[21:33] <akhenaton> i can't find anything useful in the default install (start/k menu)
[21:34] <akhenaton> "proprietary driversfor devices (restricted)" is checked
[21:35] <akhenaton> multiverse enabled too
[21:35] <akhenaton> i dunno what to do next :|
[21:35] <Assid> system > administration > driver setup
[21:36] <akhenaton> i managed to install nvidia drivers in gutsy, but in hardy seems not to be present in the repos
[21:37] <Assid> weird works here
[21:37] <RAOF> akhenaton: They certainly are.  You're looking for "nvidia-glx-new", yes?
[21:37] <akhenaton> Assid: "administration"? can you, please, elaborate a little; i don't understand
[21:37] <Assid> i got my softmodem on lappy requiring it.. and nvidia requiring it there
[21:37] <akhenaton> RAOF: yes
[21:38] <akhenaton> i do search just "nvidia" in adept to see all the packages; nvidia-glx-legacy is the only one present
[21:38] <akhenaton> (only "glx" one)
[21:41] <Assid> akhenaton: run jockey-gtk
[21:41] <akhenaton> Assid: my installi is quite fresh; hardy alpha 4, all restricted and multiverse, mediubuntu (and so on) are enabled :|
[21:41] <Assid> thats on gnome atleast
[21:41] <Assid> akhenaton: afaik .. it should be installed out of the box
[21:42] <akhenaton> Assid: maybe; in gutsy was (out of the box); i understand that hardy is not final/stable yet, but i decided to try it
[21:42] <Assid> i said this earlier already.. im on hardy and it came here
[21:43] <Assid> on 2 machines
[21:44] <ethana3> that visual refresh is really good news
[21:44] <ethana3> i like those themes.. it would be nice to not have to go out and find them to use them
[21:44] <akhenaton> Assid: then.. can you, please, tell me what's the "manager"'s name? (or how to launch the restricted driver installer)
[21:44] <Assid> [03:11:12] <Assid> akhenaton: run jockey-gtk
[21:44] <Assid> [03:11:18] <Assid> thats on gnome atleast
[21:45] <Assid> i said this earlier
[21:45] <akhenaton> Assid: are you sure? i have kde here :|
[21:45] <PriceChild> loving policykit
[21:45] <Assid> akhenaton: look in some option in the menus' it should be there..
[21:46] <Assid> else try running that
[21:47] <Assid> i know its there
[21:47] <akhenaton> Assid: i allready looked in the menus (everywhere); no option, no nothing; it seems jockey thingie is my last hope
[21:47] <Assid> try sudo jockey-gtk actually
[21:47] <Assid> it mgiht need sudo
[21:48] <akhenaton> Assid: thanks; i'll try that
[21:48] <ethana3> ooh, authentication system updates
[21:48] <ethana3> do we have a GUI for choosing between signature, password, facial recognition, and thumbprint yet?
[21:48] <akhenaton> Assid: but jockey drags a lot of deps with it
[21:49] <akhenaton> (gnome deps)
[21:49] <Assid> thats cause your using kde.. i dont have a kde one arond me.. nearest kde installation would be my sisters laptop.. and thats offlimits atm cause the lights are off.. and i dont know where her lappy is
[21:51] <akhenaton> Assid: maybe kubuntu team haven't prepared a "jockey" replacement for kde, yet :|
[21:52] <Assid> nah.. i know the device manager is there.. i used it for my sisters lappy
[21:52] <Assid> and ive used it on gutsy as well
[21:52] <akhenaton> on gutsy worked for me too
[21:52] <Assid> so its gotta be there on this as well
[21:53] <Assid> ask around.. there must be someone here who might know
[21:53] <Assid> sorry..
[21:53] <Assid> alrite . im off.. its almost 3.30 am
[21:53] <Assid> night folks
[21:53] <akhenaton> Assid: good night
[21:58] <akhenaton> anybody with kubuntu hardy alpha 4 (2.6.24-5 linux kernel) has sucesfully installed the nvidia restricted (3d/glx) drivers? can anybody help me?
[21:58] <RyanPrior> My USB subsystem keeps dying. Is there some way I can figure out why, and how to prevent it? I am trying to copy a large file to my USB hard drive and my USB keeps dying and killing the operation halfway through.
[22:14] <bardyr> RyanPrior, are you using nautilus_
[22:14] <DanaG> To me, Jockey sounds like something about a horse.
[22:14] <DanaG> What's with the name?
[22:15] <DanaG> (I mean, I know a jockey is a horse racer, but what does that have to do with restricted drivers?)
[22:17] <crimsun> think "driver".
[22:36] <akhenaton> i think no driver (module) is out (2.6.24-5 kernel) for jockey (to ride on it)
[22:36] <Andre_Gondim> I am using Hardy Alpha 4, and I have one CMI 8738 sound card, but does not have sound, when I was with Gutsy, I change my sound card and works, is there some way to change de sound card without reboot pc?
[22:36] <akhenaton> at least i have no more problems with intel hda (sound)
[22:37] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: no sound with PulseAudio or no sound with ALSA period?
[22:37] <crimsun> those are two distinct symptoms, BTW.
[22:37] <akhenaton> Andre_Gondim: rmmod and modprobe?
[22:38] <crimsun> modprobe -r, BTW.
[22:38] <DanaG> That reminds me.... I wish somebody would make a Cardbus or Expresscard C-Media Oxygen-based card.
[22:38] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, yes, there is the both, if i change, how can i do to do this without reboot pc?
[22:38] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: what are you changing?
[22:39] <Andre_Gondim> crd1b, my sound card, from alsa do pulseaudio, like you said, i have this option
[22:40] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: if it's a usb audio device, sure.
[22:40] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: if it's an isa or pci audio device, no.
[22:40] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, it's a pci
[22:41] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: it's unclear whether you intend to change a /setting/ or /physical cards/.
[22:41] <Andre_Gondim> crd1b, setting
[22:41] <Andre_Gondim> crd1b, sorry
[22:41] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, setting
[22:41] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: which setting?
[22:41] <crimsun> a parameter to insmod?
[22:43] <crimsun> unloading's fairly straightforward: sudo /sbin/alsa force-unload
[22:44] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, so, when I was using gutsy, and my gutsy started without sound, I changed the option in volume control
[22:44] <crimsun> reloading is simple, too: sudo modprobe snd_pcm && sudo modprobe snd-cmipci whateverparam=whatevervalue
[22:45] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: meaning you changed which mixer element is controlled, or...?
[22:45] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, yeah, i changed wich mixer element and works, in gutsy, but in hardy doen't works
[22:46] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it.
[22:47] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: then tell me the URL it generates.
[22:47] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, ok, wait a few
[22:49] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.changelog
[22:51] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: err, no.  The pastebin URL.
[22:54] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, sorry, i don't understaian, what i need to do?
[22:54] <PriceChild> I'm really liking firefox 3, when downloading files, its so quicker to get its act together
[22:54] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: you need to execute the script from a prompt.
[22:55] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, i did
[22:55] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: you executed "bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh" (presuming you saved the script to your Desktop)?
[22:56] <Andre_Gondim>  http://pastebin.ca/890666
[22:56] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun,  http://pastebin.ca/890666
[22:56] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: do you want to use your onboard or the cmi?
[22:57] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, cmi
[22:57] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: it is the default card.
[22:57] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: is this a clean install of Alpha 4?
[22:58] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, yes, I installed yesterday
[22:59] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: mute & zero all the IEC958 controls (presuming you're not using IEC958).
[22:59] <akhenaton> crimsun: is it normal not to have a master volume? i only got pcm volume :|
[22:59] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: and -- is "pasuspender -- aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav" audible?
[23:00] <crimsun> akhenaton: on HDA codecs?  Yes.
[23:00] <crimsun> akhenaton: messy but certainly "normal".
[23:00] <akhenaton> crimsun: yes, it's a hda codec (realtek alc861)
[23:00] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, i do not understain, what I need to do?
[23:01] <akhenaton> crimsun: thanks; i thought it's another odd thing on my sound card
[23:01] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: use alsamixer to mute those controls.  Then run the pasuspender command (all of it between the double quotes)
[23:01] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: I need to go; I have a train to catch.
[23:01] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, good luck
[23:02] <akhenaton> ciao, crimsun
[23:02] <crimsun> Andre_Gondim: the point of the pasuspender test is to see if you can get any audible output via ALSA direct
[23:02] <akhenaton> and thanks again, crimsun
[23:02] <Andre_Gondim> crimsun, is pasuspender a command?
[23:05] <bernier> Hi, is compiz working in alpha 4?
[23:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, how well does the C-Media Oxygen work in Linux?
[23:08] <Dr_willis> bernier,  it seems to be working here. :)
[23:08] <bernier> NICE
 do I need to compile fglrx or it's in the repo?
[23:10] <Dr_willis> I dont use fglrx. i got an nvidia card.
[23:10] <Dr_willis> I imagine its in the repos.
[23:24] <underwatercow> Is anyone else having trouble running KDE apps like Kate?
[23:27] <underwatercow> yes? no? anyone?
[23:28] <Dr_willis> not tried. :)
[23:28] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: would you mind trying in hardy? lol
[23:29] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: It's rather annoying
[23:29] <Dr_willis> not on a hardy machine right now. so i cant.
[23:29] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: sadness...
[23:29] <underwatercow> Dr_willis: You have failed me for the last time...
[23:30] <Lynet> Anyone else having trouble with Hardy in Vmware?
[23:30] <underwatercow> I'm having trouble with hardy NOT in vmware
[23:30] <underwatercow> ;-D
[23:30] <Lynet> :-D
[23:30] <bardyr> i dont have any problems with hardy atm, but im afraid of opening nautilus
[23:31] <underwatercow> nautilus works fine in general
[23:31] <bardyr> underwatercow, as long as you dont trash anything
[23:31] <underwatercow> bardyr: no problems for me there either
[23:31] <underwatercow> bardyr: bardyr: Can you run KDE apps with no errors?
[23:31] <bardyr> underwatercow, trash your wine folder and empty your trash
[23:32] <underwatercow> bardyr: I would prefer to keep my wine folder, thanks
[23:32] <underwatercow> :-D
[23:32] <bardyr> then copy it and trash the copy :)
[23:32] <underwatercow> bardyr: can't I delete something else?
[23:32] <bardyr> it will begin to delete all your files
[23:32] <underwatercow> I have deleted things
[23:32] <underwatercow> and emptied the trash
[23:32] <underwatercow> and had no problems
[23:33] <underwatercow> it freaks if I try to OPEN the trash, but that's no biggie
[23:34] <bardyr> underwatercow, the problem is that trash follows symbolic links
[23:34] <underwatercow> bardyr: ahaha... well good thing I don't have very many symlinks, nor do I generally delete them
[23:35] <underwatercow> bardyr: So... can you run KDE apps like Kate ok?
[23:36] <bardyr> i have not heard about any KDE issues, but then again i dont use KDE
[23:37] <Lynet> Anyone knwo why the clock is messed up (runs way too fast, like 10-100* too fast) when running as a vmware guest?
[23:45] <mohbana__> hi guys where is the removal log for synaptic kept?
[23:48] <ethana3> can I tell xorg to completely reconfigure itself to the safe graphics settings it had when i installed?
[23:49] <bardyr> ethana3, rename xorg.conf
[23:49] <bardyr> and run X with --configure
[23:51] <ethana3> can i just remove xorg.conf?
[23:51] <ethana3> i didn't do anything worthwile that worked..
[23:51] <ethana3> i'm going to do that..
[23:52] <mohbana__> hi can anyone help please
[23:52] <tapas> hi, where does trackerd store its index files?
[23:54] <ethana3> bardyr: how do i run x with --configure when its already running/
[23:54] <bardyr> ethana3, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[23:54] <RAOF> tapas: ~/.cache/tracker, IIRC
[23:54] <ethana3> ok
[23:54] <bardyr> ethana3, or just restart
[23:54] <ethana3> will it do --configure simply because of the absence of xorg.conf?
[23:55] <bardyr> no, do the stop cmd and type sudo X -configure
[23:55] <ethana3> oh, ok
[23:55] <RAOF> bardyr: What does -configure do that just not having an xorg.conf doesn't?
[23:55] <bardyr> ethana3, you dont need a xorg.conf but i think the restricted-drivers-manager will break without one
[23:56] <bardyr> RAOF, -configure writes and xorg
[23:56] <bardyr> xorg.conf
[23:56] <RAOF> Ah, right.
[23:56] <RAOF> Any reason not to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[23:56] <bardyr> X.org is better
[23:57] <bardyr> but they do the same job
[23:58]  * DanaG just uses manual configgeration (yes, misspelled on purpose).
[23:59] <ethana3> ok, it put me back on radeon