| DanaG | May I just leave folding running instead of a bash loop? | 00:01 |
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| DanaG | Yup, still drops out. | 00:01 |
| DanaG | (tested with a DVD-Audio file played to plug:surround51:1 on my Audigy; I'll try again with something less high bitrate. | 00:01 |
| DanaG | playing login wav to hw:0 (hda-intel) and closing lid gives this: | 00:02 |
| DanaG | underrun!!! (at least 499.975 ms long) | 00:02 |
| crimsun | that's fine, it eliminates what I need it to. | 00:02 |
| Vadi | How can I check if the ndiswrapper module is loaded? | 00:04 |
| Vadi | Continuing with the tradition, now not even ndiswrapper can recognize the card when I insert it. | 00:05 |
| SeveredCross | Vadi: lsmod | grep ndiswrapper | 00:05 |
| DanaG | Note that the dropout does not happen _every_ time I close the lid. | 00:06 |
| Vadi | SeveredCross: Thanks. This is so not good then, because it is loaded. Ndiswrapper however reports no card with the same driver.. ack. | 00:06 |
| SeveredCross | <__> | 00:07 |
| SeveredCross | Which card? | 00:07 |
| Vadi | Belkin F5D7010, v7. Realtek 8185 chipset. | 00:08 |
| crimsun | DanaG: yeah, I'm going a bisect | 00:08 |
| SeveredCross | Aha. | 00:08 |
| DanaG | Bisect? | 00:10 |
| alteregolio | realdreck | 00:10 |
| Vadi | SeveredCross: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54557/ | 00:10 |
| Vadi | Oh! Actually I forgot a step. Momento | 00:10 |
| Vadi | SeveredCross: I got it. Had to associate the driver with the card ID. Tricky things... | 00:12 |
| SeveredCross | Aha. | 00:12 |
| SeveredCross | Ndiswrapper can be a bitch. | 00:12 |
| * SeveredCross is glad he does not need it. | 00:12 | |
| Vadi | I shouldn't need it either, the vendor has linux drivers. But I can't compile them, and nobody cares to include them. | 00:13 |
| Vadi | Um, one more question. Somehow both of my grub entries are pointing to the same hardy, and I can't boot into gutsy at all. Think you can help me out? | 00:14 |
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| yao_ziyuan | just installed Hardy 4 | 00:22 |
| yao_ziyuan | experience: | 00:23 |
| yao_ziyuan | run Hardy 4 Live CD as a virtual machine. install it to the virtual machine's hard disk. chose Chinese as installation language | 00:23 |
| yao_ziyuan | the installed Hardy 4 can let me input chinese after pressing Ctrl+Space | 00:24 |
| yao_ziyuan | chinese displaying is perfect | 00:24 |
| yao_ziyuan | but the login screen has broken chinese characters, displayed as small dots | 00:24 |
| yao_ziyuan | switched first system language to English. restarted. the login screen is still broken chinese characters. seems to be a problem with kdm. | 00:25 |
| yao_ziyuan | an obvious bug is i can't change screen resolution in System Settings > Monitor & Display | 00:26 |
| yao_ziyuan | the error message is: | 00:26 |
| yao_ziyuan | The module 显示器与监视器 could not be loaded. | 00:26 |
| yao_ziyuan | The diagnostics is: | 00:26 |
| yao_ziyuan | Library files for "libpython25.so" not found in paths. | 00:27 |
| mcquaid | I haven't tried hardy yet, but I read about gnome's totem in 2.21.90 having mythtv support, acting as a frontend? | 00:27 |
| yao_ziyuan | i think setting the installation language to chinese is a cause | 00:28 |
| mcquaid | does hardy's current version of totem have that? | 00:28 |
| yao_ziyuan | can you guys change screen resolution in Hardy Alpha 4? | 00:29 |
| yao_ziyuan | maybe it's because i set language to Chinese before installation | 00:29 |
| yao_ziyuan | but zero configuration of chinese fonts and input methods is a big step forward! | 00:33 |
| gnuts | hey everyone. Does anyone else have a touchpad with no extra features? | 00:34 |
| gnuts | i've added a server layout section to xorg.conf, to no effect | 00:36 |
| yao_ziyuan | selecting 'chinese' before installation makes many things hard to change | 00:36 |
| yao_ziyuan | such as the font is a chinese font even if you change system language to english | 00:38 |
| yao_ziyuan | such as the login screen always has some broken chinese characters even if you change system language to english | 00:38 |
| SeveredCross | mcquaid: Hardy has gnome 2.21.90, so it should. | 00:43 |
| yao_ziyuan | i see hope in kubuntu | 00:57 |
| yao_ziyuan | when will be "alpha 5" out? | 00:57 |
| Dr_willis | when its done. :) heh heh... | 00:58 |
| yao_ziyuan | s/be.../...b | 00:58 |
| yao_ziyuan | everything in System Settings that requires Administrative Mode doesn't work | 01:11 |
| yao_ziyuan | i'm downloading all Python packages | 01:11 |
| yao_ziyuan | esp. python-dev, python-dbg | 01:11 |
| yao_ziyuan | 'cause the error message is that libpython.x.x.x.so is missing | 01:11 |
| yao_ziyuan | "library files for ... is missing" | 01:12 |
| yao_ziyuan | googled this msg. | 01:14 |
| yao_ziyuan | found some clues | 01:14 |
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| === dldc is now known as emgent | ||
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| yao_ziyuan | i logged out in the live cd | 01:29 |
| yao_ziyuan | what username/password should i log in with? | 01:29 |
| donspaulding | hey all, I installed NetworkManager 0.7 the other day, now I'm wondering how to get a 0.7 compatible version of the pptp vpn plugin | 01:32 |
| DanaG | Argh. | 01:40 |
| DanaG | Something made my computer think some key was stuck. | 01:40 |
| DanaG | I think it was either ctrl-c or enter. | 01:40 |
| DanaG | One time I had that happen to the 'end' key. | 01:41 |
| DanaG | And the keys themselves aren't stuck; it's just Xorg being b0rked. | 01:41 |
| DanaG | DAMNIT, now it happened to my 'c' key. | 01:43 |
| * Dr_willis is still looking for the 'any key' | 01:51 | |
| * donspaulding is still looking for waldo | 01:58 | |
| huhlig | is there a known bug with libpython and hardy? | 02:04 |
| * huhlig just tossed on alpha 4 and kde claims that no usable libpython can be found | 02:04 | |
| Dr_willis | i have heard others mentioning some issues with python lately. | 02:04 |
| huhlig | ok | 02:04 |
| huhlig | it makes the kde control panel unuseable | 02:04 |
| Dr_willis | but im updating now. :) so not experienced it personally | 02:04 |
| huhlig | ahh | 02:04 |
| huhlig | also, is kde4 compatible yet? | 02:05 |
| Dr_willis | 2 min remaining. :) | 02:05 |
| Dr_willis | I wouldent even worry about kde4 yet. | 02:05 |
| huhlig | there seem to be several core libs that are unavailable | 02:05 |
| huhlig | oh? | 02:05 |
| huhlig | why so | 02:05 |
| Dr_willis | i found kde4 a bit unuseable. | 02:05 |
| Dr_willis | if you want to play with kde4. check out the livecd's :) | 02:05 |
| Dr_willis | 1 min to go on the upgrade. | 02:06 |
| Dr_willis | ya know. it would of been faster to do a clean reinstall. :) | 02:06 |
| huhlig | heh | 02:07 |
| DanaG | Odd, I can't seem to get pulseaudio tunnel working. | 02:07 |
| huhlig | I had a 25 gig partition waiting to reinstall linux on | 02:07 |
| * huhlig used to be a DD but has been out of it for too long | 02:07 | |
| * huhlig figured he would hop back in | 02:07 | |
| Dr_willis | I tend to upgrade to the release a few weeks/month befor its out.. then do a clean install once it offiially gets here. heh. | 02:07 |
| DanaG | I have an old laptop set to be discoverable (without authentication required), and I can make that see my "new" laptop, but I can't see in the other direction. | 02:07 |
| Dr_willis | i wonder if X will get my 2 monitors in the proper order now. :) Silly GDM appears on one tothe right side by default. but the console/grub/bios appears on the one in the Middle. | 02:10 |
| Dr_willis | Weird - somthing just triggered my monitors to go black during the upgrade. - Thought the pc was reb ooting.. But then it came back | 02:12 |
| Dr_willis | Well time to reboot! Be backin a few... I hope. :P | 02:14 |
| huhlig | hey, what is the command line util for configuring x | 02:14 |
| * huhlig has a 1900x1200 monitor and would like to use more then 800x600 | 02:14 | |
| h3sp4wn | xrandr --help | 02:15 |
| huhlig | hmm | 02:16 |
| Vad1 | How can I transfer my printer settings from gutsy to hardy? Where are they saved? | 02:17 |
| h3sp4wn | Any time I tried anything other than the raw xrandr (any of the gui stuff it never worked) | 02:18 |
| huhlig | can xrandr do probe? | 02:25 |
| h3sp4wn | It can do everything - but afaik the driver has to support xrandr 1.2 for the more useful stuff | 02:27 |
| huhlig | ok | 02:28 |
| huhlig | well should be the nv or nvidia driver | 02:28 |
| huhlig | which is currently working better right now | 02:29 |
| huhlig | nv or the nvidia blob | 02:29 |
| h3sp4wn | Not sure won't have a box with nvidia and ubuntu until next week | 02:32 |
| h3sp4wn | But on Solaris you can configure that stuff using nvidia-settings | 02:32 |
| huhlig | hmm | 02:33 |
| h3sp4wn | and / or nvidia-xconfig (the edid could be wrong etc) have a look at nvnews | 02:33 |
| h3sp4wn | (nvnews.net) | 02:33 |
| Vad1 | Where are my printer settings saved on Ubuntu? | 02:33 |
| compwiz18 | Vad1: /etc/cups ? | 02:38 |
| DanaG | Oh hey, the "duplicate" thingy of PulseAudio even works over network. It's kind of creepy. | 02:47 |
| DanaG | I have the old laptop sitting on the ground in the corner, and I'm playing music to it AND my onboard audio AND my speakers -- and they're all keeping amazingly good time. | 02:47 |
| DanaG | pulseaudio: pulsecore/memblock.c:454: pa_memblock_ref: Assertion `pa_atomic_load(&(b)->_ref) > 0' failed. | 02:49 |
| DanaG | dangit. | 02:49 |
| dreamnid | DanaG : Yeah, it is awesome | 03:01 |
| dreamnid | DanaG: Although I have to figure out how to make it work with Firestarter | 03:01 |
| mikedep334 | I'm familar with firestarter | 03:02 |
| mikedep334 | what do you need to work with it? | 03:02 |
| dreamnid | mikedep334: oh, I guess I just I have to figure out what ports that PulseAudio uses for the Multicast stuff | 03:03 |
| DanaG | pulseaudio: pulsecore/resampler.c:1334: trivial_resample: Assertion `o_index * fz < pa_memblock_get_length(output->memblock)' failed. | 03:03 |
| DanaG | Aborted | 03:03 |
| dreamnid | I did find a preload rule on the internet which allows the PA daemon to detect other PA daemons on the network | 03:04 |
| dreamnid | but it still blocks the multicast stuff | 03:04 |
| dreamnid | So more of a PA issue than Firestarter I think | 03:04 |
| DanaG | PulseAudio uses random ports, by default. | 03:06 |
| DanaG | If you want a specific port, you have to use manual loading. | 03:06 |
| DanaG | I mean, not just the checkbox. | 03:06 |
| dreamnid | ah | 03:11 |
| dreamnid | I'm pretty sure it is a multicasting ip issue - like I said, I didn't really look into it | 03:11 |
| DanaG | pulseaudio: modules/module-combine.c:584: sink_process_msg: Assertion `!op->outq_rtpoll_item' failed. | 03:15 |
| DanaG | Aborted | 03:15 |
| DanaG | argh. | 03:15 |
| DanaG | How can I play my dvd-audio to my Audigy through PulseAudio, without it resampling to 44100Hz? | 03:15 |
| h3sp4wn | Dunno why you would want to sample it to that ever if it runs native at 48000 | 03:16 |
| DanaG | Audigy is 48 KHz? | 03:17 |
| DanaG | Actually, it's Audigy 2. | 03:17 |
| DanaG | Sorry, forgot that. | 03:17 |
| h3sp4wn | The pci ones are certainly | 03:17 |
| DanaG | Must sleep PC now. | 03:18 |
| DanaG | Dinner time. | 03:18 |
| DanaG | Will be back later. | 03:18 |
| Dr_willis | How do you even know its resampling? | 03:20 |
| Dr_willis | I got an audigy2zs wth the fancy panel and more gizmos/bells/whistles then i know what to do with. :) | 03:21 |
| h3sp4wn | The pci ones have it specifically stated that they badly resample everything | 03:21 |
| h3sp4wn | (in hardware) but as far as I can see pulse should just be able to resample it at 48000 (alot better) | 03:22 |
| h3sp4wn | From AlsaProject | 03:23 |
| h3sp4wn | Jump to: navigation, search | 03:23 |
| h3sp4wn | Hardware has only strict 48kHz output (resamples samples to 48kHz). | 03:23 |
| h3sp4wn | (sorry) | 03:23 |
| h3sp4wn | just ment to paste the last line | 03:23 |
| h3sp4wn | Has anyone here recently booted a desktop iso from usb (Alot of the docs is garbage( | 03:26 |
| yao_ziyuan | i have run out of ideas | 03:30 |
| yao_ziyuan | how to change screen resolution in Hardy Alpha 4 anyway? | 03:30 |
| rsk | not possible without hacking xorg.conf for me | 03:31 |
| rsk | really sucks :/ | 03:31 |
| h3sp4wn | With radeon I can set everything with xrandr but it has pretty stupid defaults | 03:32 |
| ethana3 | I think I may try to install and do my dual seat thing now | 03:32 |
| yao_ziyuan | rsk: problem is my hacked xorg.conf doesn't work :) | 03:32 |
| rsk | :> | 03:32 |
| ethana3 | so hardy alpha 4 will eat files on one's hard drive, right? | 03:33 |
| ethana3 | so I need to do a full backup.. | 03:33 |
| ethana3 | does this include windows? | 03:33 |
| rsk | most likely not | 03:34 |
| yao_ziyuan | rsk: how do i specify "the current mode" in xorg.conf? | 03:36 |
| IdleOne | hub.ns.ca.idlezone.net | 03:36 |
| IdleOne | oops | 03:37 |
| IdleOne | ignore thqat | 03:37 |
| IdleOne | that* | 03:37 |
| Vad1 | compwiz18: Hm.. I copied my /etc/cups from gutsy to hardy, but it doesn't seem to have set it up the same way | 03:39 |
| yao_ziyuan | i found a way | 03:45 |
| yao_ziyuan | copy a good xorg.conf | 03:45 |
| h3sp4wn | Thats not totally fool proof though as alot has changed i.e mergedfb for a start is now removed | 03:48 |
| Dr_willis | i have taken xorg.conf files from live cd's to use in emgerancies. :) | 03:51 |
| ethana3 | alright, I'm trying to evacuate my frankenstein install... | 03:54 |
| ethana3 | where only KDE4 apps work | 03:54 |
| ethana3 | and only in KDE3 | 03:54 |
| ethana3 | ...i have the both hard drives connected via IDE | 03:55 |
| ethana3 | but only one is likely in my fstab | 03:55 |
| ethana3 | the other i hotplugged; didn't show up anywhere... | 03:55 |
| Dr_willis | You Hotplugged in an IDE drive? | 03:55 |
| ethana3 | how do i copy the /home directory of my .. | 03:55 |
| ethana3 | yes i did... | 03:55 |
| ethana3 | data first, then power | 03:56 |
| Dr_willis | I dont think that works :) id be scared to even try | 03:56 |
| ethana3 | ah | 03:56 |
| ethana3 | should i reboot then? | 03:56 |
| Dr_willis | Im not even sure hotplugging of sata is 'working' yet. | 03:56 |
| Dr_willis | Yes - i would reboot. | 03:56 |
| Dr_willis | Hope you dident trash the hd. | 03:56 |
| ethana3 | and then will it show up in /media or something? | 03:56 |
| ethana3 | well | 03:56 |
| ethana3 | no | 03:56 |
| Dr_willis | You can mount it manually if it dosent. | 03:56 |
| ethana3 | oh joy | 03:56 |
| ethana3 | well, here goes | 03:56 |
| ethana3 | be back soon | 03:57 |
| h3sp4wn | Dr_willis: Its definately working with ahci | 04:01 |
| h3sp4wn | (the sata hotplug) | 04:01 |
| ethana3 | ok, it sees it | 04:01 |
| ethana3 | now i just have to unlock it | 04:02 |
| ethana3 | oh wait, i can't do that ;) | 04:02 |
| ethana3 | restarting dolphin as root | 04:02 |
| ethana3 | oh no | 04:02 |
| ethana3 | it won't let me because it can't resolve the host desktop | 04:03 |
| ethana3 | gahh | 04:03 |
| jfkdsljio | o no, o no, o no, O YEA! | 04:03 |
| jfkdsljio | sorry, family guy | 04:03 |
| ethana3 | Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keydolphin: cannot connect to X server :0 | 04:03 |
| h3sp4wn | don't run graphical stuff as root | 04:03 |
| ethana3 | ok... | 04:03 |
| ethana3 | this is like trying to fly the millenium falcon out of the death star | 04:04 |
| ethana3 | after setting off its main reactor | 04:04 |
| ethana3 | except instead of life at stake, it's just all my files | 04:04 |
| ethana3 | so this hard drive i plugged in; i want to copy my /home to it | 04:04 |
| ethana3 | and no gnome apps work | 04:04 |
| ethana3 | and sudo can't resolve host desktop | 04:05 |
| ethana3 | how do i do this? | 04:05 |
| Dr_willis | h3sp4wn, thats good to hear its working. :) One of those big-features that never seemed to actually exist. heh. | 04:05 |
| ethana3 | well first i have to mount this thing via terminal | 04:06 |
| ethana3 | looking for it in /dev | 04:06 |
| Dr_willis | sudo fdisk -l | 04:07 |
| Dr_willis | to see where its at. | 04:07 |
| ethana3 | k | 04:07 |
| ethana3 | ha | 04:08 |
| ethana3 | sudo | 04:08 |
| ethana3 | yeah, that doesn't work | 04:08 |
| ethana3 | i have to use su | 04:08 |
| h3sp4wn | It will be sd? | 04:08 |
| ethana3 | sd? | 04:08 |
| ethana3 | i don't know... | 04:08 |
| h3sp4wn | ? matching a to z | 04:08 |
| ethana3 | maybe | 04:08 |
| ethana3 | running fdisk -l | 04:09 |
| ethana3 | that's an 'el', right? | 04:09 |
| ethana3 | L | 04:09 |
| ethana3 | but not cap | 04:09 |
| ethana3 | I | 04:09 |
| ethana3 | .../that/'s an i | 04:09 |
| ethana3 | k, my two hard drives | 04:10 |
| ethana3 | /dev/sda and /dev/sdb | 04:11 |
| ethana3 | so now i want to mount /dev/sdb1 as /alt | 04:12 |
| ethana3 | could someone convert that to bash for me? | 04:12 |
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| ethana3 | do i have to go into fstab to create the mount point? | 04:15 |
| ethana3 | i said :~$ mount /dev/sdb /alt | 04:15 |
| ethana3 | mount: mount point /alt does not exist | 04:15 |
| Dr_willis | make the directory first? :) | 04:17 |
| Dr_willis | fstab defines where it mounts to. | 04:17 |
| h3sp4wn | sdb is the whole disk remember | 04:17 |
| Dr_willis | I think You MIGHT want to be reading a few linux basics/tutorials soon. :) | 04:18 |
| ethana3 | well i don't do this particular kind of task often | 04:18 |
| Dr_willis | sudo mount /dev/DEVICE /media/MOUNTPOUNT | 04:18 |
| ethana3 | i mostly muck around in xorg.conf.. | 04:18 |
| Dr_willis | !mount | 04:18 |
| ubotu | Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in !GNOME under !Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For !Edgy and later, see !fstab and !DiskMounter | 04:18 |
| ethana3 | you reccomend putting the mount in media? | 04:18 |
| Dr_willis | why not. :) | 04:19 |
| ethana3 | i was going to mount it as alt | 04:19 |
| ethana3 | but it has to be a directory that exists? | 04:19 |
| Dr_willis | put it whever you want.. but the diretory its going to MUST MUST MUST exist befor you mount it. | 04:19 |
| ethana3 | what if it has files in it? | 04:19 |
| Dr_willis | then i suggest you use a different diretrory. :) | 04:19 |
| ethana3 | ok | 04:19 |
| ethana3 | sounds good | 04:19 |
| Dr_willis | files in the dir will be unaccesable untill the mount is unmounted | 04:19 |
| ethana3 | root@desktop:/# mount /dev/sdb /altmount: you must specify the filesystem typeroot@desktop:/# mount /dev/sdb1 /alt | 04:21 |
| ethana3 | oops | 04:21 |
| ethana3 | there's a new line between /alt and mount, but i tried to format the text differently | 04:21 |
| ethana3 | fail | 04:21 |
| ethana3 | ok, so now /dev/sdb1 is mounted as /alt | 04:21 |
| ethana3 | there are no subdirectories; i must have removed them with rm -r | 04:22 |
| ethana3 | sudo mkdir /alt/home && sudo cp -r /home/ethan /alt/home | 04:22 |
| ethana3 | that should do what i want, right? | 04:23 |
| Dr_willis | I think you may want to use some other optiuons to cp. to get the .files and so forth | 04:23 |
| Dr_willis | i cheat and use 'mc' too much | 04:23 |
| ethana3 | mc? | 04:23 |
| Dr_willis | !info mc | 04:23 |
| ubotu | mc (source: mc): midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-8ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 2059 kB, installed size 5944 kB | 04:24 |
| Dr_willis | shell based file manager. :) a MUST get tool | 04:24 |
| ethana3 | well, on our connection | 04:24 |
| ethana3 | hmmm | 04:24 |
| ethana3 | i'd rather just learn an argument or two.. cp --help | 04:25 |
| Dr_willis | reding the docs/help/manuals - is good. :) | 04:25 |
| Dr_willis | mc is still worth learning about. | 04:26 |
| ethana3 | it looks like cp -r --copy-contents is what i want.. from the help file for cp | 04:26 |
| ethana3 | root@desktop:/alt# cp -r -p --copy-contents /home /alt/home | 04:28 |
| ethana3 | it's working now | 04:28 |
| ethana3 | 26GB, may take a while... | 04:28 |
| ethana3 | so when i move /home back onto my new hardy install, firefox will have all its bookmarks and such, right? | 04:29 |
| ethana3 | oh hey, is the bug with colemak and capslock fixed yet? | 04:30 |
| ethana3 | that will drive me nuts if i have to work around that... | 04:31 |
| underwatercow | Is anyone else having trouble running Kate under gnome? | 04:32 |
| lufis | My screen res is fixed at 1024x768 right now. I want to put it at something higher, but when i do that the screen goes black and nothing short of a reboot helps (not even a reconfigure xserver-xorg, since there's nothing about resolution in the xorg.conf file) | 04:41 |
| h3sp4wn | lufis: Is it a laptop + external screen ? | 04:43 |
| h3sp4wn | If it is you can just disable the LVDS and it will sort itself out | 04:44 |
| lufis | h3sp4wn: nope, crt on a desktop | 04:44 |
| gQuigs | trying to compile linux-source-2.6.24 in hardy | 04:45 |
| gQuigs | make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 | 04:45 |
| gQuigs | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 | 04:45 |
| lufis | sigh. | 04:48 |
| gQuigs | oh.. got it misses ncurses | 04:50 |
| ethana3 | my /home has been copied | 04:59 |
| underwatercow | is there a reason KDE apps are bringing up errors in GNOME? | 05:00 |
| jfkdsljio | Whats new in 8.04? | 05:00 |
| tumbleweed__ | herpes | 05:00 |
| jfkdsljio | Awww damn, that sucks. | 05:01 |
| tumbleweed__ | yup | 05:01 |
| jfkdsljio | I guess I'll use gusty, since I was planning on asking if it would break me, and what repo I should use. | 05:01 |
| tumbleweed__ | lul | 05:01 |
| tumbleweed__ | you're better off | 05:01 |
| tumbleweed__ | believe you me | 05:01 |
| jfkdsljio | I wasn't going to ask those questions, but, is it really that buggy? | 05:02 |
| underwatercow | jfkdsljio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha4 | 05:02 |
| tumbleweed__ | yup | 05:02 |
| underwatercow | jfkdsljio: It's a tad buggy... nothing too tragic for me so far... just a few nuisances | 05:02 |
| ethana3 | and every update squishes another one | 05:03 |
| ethana3 | ^_^ | 05:03 |
| jfkdsljio | Cool, long way till the final, I'll check the wiki. | 05:03 |
| underwatercow | ethana3: My mom says she's thinking of voting for Ron Paul... ;-D | 05:04 |
| tumbleweed__ | it's just that there's really no reason to use it unless gutsy is truly broken for you (as it is for me) | 05:04 |
| underwatercow | Alpha 4 seems a lot more stable to me than prior though | 05:04 |
| tumbleweed__ | alpha 1 was fine for me | 05:05 |
| underwatercow | Nautilus is still having some issues though, but I don't think they have finished their work with the new FS | 05:05 |
| tumbleweed__ | I don't like nautilus, though | 05:05 |
| tumbleweed__ | I wish I could use thunar | 05:05 |
| underwatercow | why can't you? | 05:05 |
| tumbleweed__ | well | 05:05 |
| underwatercow | well, this is the first time I've installed from a disc... I tried updating the last few times and it killed everything | 05:05 |
| tumbleweed__ | all of gnome's apps launch nautilus by default | 05:05 |
| underwatercow | tumbleweed__: ah | 05:05 |
| tumbleweed__ | I have to find a way to switch it to thunar | 05:05 |
| underwatercow | my desktop is broken | 05:06 |
| underwatercow | my icons are gone | 05:06 |
| underwatercow | and wallpaper-tray only changes wallpapers on boot now... | 05:06 |
| tumbleweed__ | oh | 05:06 |
| underwatercow | clicking to change it manually won't work anymore | 05:06 |
| tumbleweed__ | try using xfdesktop4 instead | 05:06 |
| tumbleweed__ | or compiz | 05:06 |
| underwatercow | lol, it's not a big deal | 05:06 |
| underwatercow | I don't use the desktop for much anyway | 05:06 |
| tumbleweed__ | but I don't know if compiz writes to the root window | 05:06 |
| tumbleweed__ | same here | 05:06 |
| underwatercow | KDE apps are also not working right | 05:07 |
| underwatercow | like Kate | 05:07 |
| tumbleweed__ | it's just something that looks pretty | 05:07 |
| tumbleweed__ | one problem I have is that the font in QT apps is too small | 05:07 |
| tumbleweed__ | and pixellated | 05:07 |
| ethana3 | underwatercow: we're going to try to get Ron Paul to win in alaska | 05:07 |
| underwatercow | ethana3: lol... go for it | 05:07 |
| ethana3 | underwatercow: we've stood on street corners and everything | 05:07 |
| underwatercow | oh, and gnome-art has a bug in it | 05:07 |
| ethana3 | underwatercow: and alskans are free thinkers ;) | 05:07 |
| tumbleweed__ | kewl | 05:07 |
| underwatercow | do you know if they will re-merge from debian or whatever? | 05:07 |
| underwatercow | I guess the bug is fixed in debian | 05:08 |
| ethana3 | i thought they already froze that | 05:08 |
| ethana3 | ohh | 05:08 |
| underwatercow | but it's a recent fix | 05:08 |
| Dr_willis | Hmm. I noticed that with gnome-terminal the menus are not being shown. | 05:08 |
| underwatercow | my menus work fine | 05:08 |
| Dr_willis | well the menu items in the menu bar at top is not showing any letters/text. | 05:08 |
| jfkdsljio | Wow looks like a lot is going into this new release. It's really amazing that a new one comes out every 6 months. | 05:09 |
| Dr_willis | the 'menubar' | 05:09 |
| underwatercow | so does anyone know if gnome-art will be fixed from Debian? | 05:09 |
| underwatercow | do the devs come in here? | 05:11 |
| underwatercow | lol | 05:11 |
| Dr_willis | they better not be here. :) they need to be off doing dev stuff. :) | 05:12 |
| Dr_willis | whatever that is.. | 05:12 |
| underwatercow | lol | 05:12 |
| underwatercow | but I wanna ask about gnome-art! | 05:12 |
| underwatercow | I guess I could file it as a bug | 05:12 |
| underwatercow | I'm just usually too lazy to do that | 05:12 |
| underwatercow | is there a bug report shortcut in gnome? or do I need to go to the site? | 05:13 |
| Dr_willis | never noticed. Sorry. | 05:13 |
| Dr_willis | file a bug that there needs to be a easier bug reporting tool? :) | 05:13 |
| underwatercow | jfkdsljio: BTW: that's only what they've done or are working on so far I think... more could be added, not really sure when they stop adding things... | 05:14 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: lol... excellent | 05:14 |
| underwatercow | My bug is that my windows install is battling my Ubuntu install for supremacy... | 05:14 |
| Dr_willis | Hmm. never had issues with windows and linux fighting.. | 05:15 |
| Dr_willis | at leat not lately | 05:15 |
| underwatercow | Linux keeps insisting on using free weapons... like rocks and sticks | 05:15 |
| underwatercow | and windows weapons are too complicated to work correctly... and too heavy to lift properly... | 05:15 |
| Dr_willis | I think your analogy needs work. :) | 05:18 |
| underwatercow | lol... eh... it was spur of the moment | 05:19 |
| underwatercow | http://webaugur.com/bibliotheca/field_stock/os-airlines.html | 05:19 |
| underwatercow | have you seen this? | 05:19 |
| Dr_willis | Hmm. saw in a new-gnome feature web site artical the improved gnome system monitor tool... but where is it in the menus.. heh heh | 05:22 |
| * Dr_willis does a gnome-<tab> in the shell and looks | 05:23 | |
| * jfkdsljio Does a /me command in XChat. | 05:27 | |
| * Dr_willis thinks this is what /me does | 05:29 | |
| Dr_willis | :) | 05:29 |
| Dr_willis | well devede - worked and made a dvd video for me. :) | 05:30 |
| Dr_willis | Thats a first for me under linux. making an actual dvd video - heh. | 05:30 |
| ethana3 | did you encrypt it? | 05:33 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: Are you referring to the system monitor in Administration? | 05:33 |
| Dr_willis | underwatercow, lets see :) i found one under gnome-system-monitor | 05:34 |
| ethana3 | i'm going to give this a shot now.. | 05:34 |
| ethana3 | despite that i can't keep caps lock from toggling every time i hit backspace | 05:34 |
| ethana3 | a bug has been filed, so I guess i'm just waiting for a fix | 05:34 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: That's the same one in the Administration menu, lol | 05:34 |
| Dr_willis | thats it.. Hmm.. I got a dualcore cpu. wanting to get 2 graphs to see if both cpus are being used equally. But cant find a tool that does it. | 05:34 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: the monitor shows dual CPU usage... | 05:35 |
| Dr_willis | Ive notiuced inder windows a lot of apps hog 1 or the other cpu. curious as to if linux apps are better done. | 05:35 |
| Dr_willis | I just see 1 graph. let me look again | 05:35 |
| jfkdsljio | better done? you can set affinity for single threaded apps if you want to balence them out | 05:35 |
| Dr_willis | its showing 1 graph 1 cpu - in orange | 05:35 |
| Dr_willis | should it be showing 2 in the resources tab? | 05:36 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: I have CPU 1 in orange and CPU2 in red | 05:36 |
| Dr_willis | I dont see any in red. :) | 05:36 |
| jfkdsljio | yeah I get two cpu's too | 05:36 |
| Dr_willis | model name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000 | 05:36 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: they actually seem pretty balanced for not doing too much atm... not sure how they will look if I start running intensive apps though | 05:36 |
| Dr_willis | i should be seeing 2 graphs then? | 05:37 |
| underwatercow | CPU2 seems to jump every so often though | 05:37 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: it's overlayed on the same graph | 05:37 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: but ues | 05:37 |
| underwatercow | yes | 05:37 |
| Dr_willis | Ok.. heh - i just see one orange box below the cpu history box. showing the % | 05:37 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: there should be 2 | 05:38 |
| underwatercow | :-p | 05:38 |
| Dr_willis | I only got the 1 | 05:38 |
| Dr_willis | lets see how else to check. | 05:38 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: look at the System tab | 05:38 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: Mine shows Processor 0 and Processor 1 there | 05:38 |
| Dr_willis | Hmm.. Processor - Amd ANnthlon 64x2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ | 05:39 |
| Dr_willis | is all i see - right below memory 3gb. | 05:39 |
| Dr_willis | am i seeing a bug here in the kernel then? | 05:40 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: Couldn't say... maybe? | 05:42 |
| Dr_willis | i did do a upgrade.. perhaps i booted the wrong kernel. | 05:42 |
| underwatercow | Do patches only get committed once a day? | 05:42 |
| Dr_willis | 2.6.24-5-386 - is what i am running right now | 05:43 |
| underwatercow | let me check mine | 05:43 |
| underwatercow | that's that I'm running | 05:43 |
| Dr_willis | I thought that encodeing that avi to dvd -- took a LOT longer under linux then it did with nero under windows.. :) | 05:43 |
| Dr_willis | this would explain why | 05:43 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: lol... because you are only using half of your processor? | 05:44 |
| Dr_willis | Looks like it.. then i noticd the conky cpu graph wasent 2 little bars like id seen befor. | 05:44 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: You don't happen to use evolution do you? | 05:44 |
| Dr_willis | Not using evolution at all. | 05:44 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: sad... why not? it's awesome. :-p | 05:44 |
| Dr_willis | i dont need it. :) | 05:44 |
| Dr_willis | i just use gmail for my minimal mail needs | 05:44 |
| Dr_willis | when ya get 2 emails a month.... | 05:45 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: lol. I find it nice for organizing my mail, calendar, tasks, etc | 05:45 |
| underwatercow | I'm in school, so that task list is coming in handy to keep track of everything coming due | 05:45 |
| underwatercow | The reason I asked is because it seems slower in hardy | 05:45 |
| shirish | hi guys, anybody knows how can I downgrade to a particular version? I had a third-party repository which might be making problems so now I want to get back to archive.ubuntu.com for a particular set of packages? Any ideas? | 06:01 |
| h3sp4wn | apt-get install foo=version | 06:20 |
| DanaG | You can also do it with aptitude. | 06:22 |
| shirish | DanaG: hey hi :) | 06:24 |
| h3sp4wn | apt-cache madison is as good as any for getting the available versions | 06:26 |
| DanaG | Who's madison? | 06:26 |
| shirish | DanaG: h3sp4wn: Can u guys look at this pastebin & tell me what I need to do it right http://pastebin.ca/889822 | 06:27 |
| shirish | I want to downgrade to the ubuntu version, do I need to comment out the third-party repository, run update again & then try to install the old version. | 06:29 |
| shirish | I do a sudo aptitude autoclean after every upgrade | 06:29 |
| DanaG | You can just select the version in aptitude. | 06:29 |
| Gnine | cut3 n4m3 | 06:32 |
| h3sp4wn | I would probably use apt-get install foo=2:1.02.08-1 | 06:32 |
| Gnine | 7h3r3'2 n0 7urn1n6 b4ck | 06:33 |
| hydrogen | hmm | 06:34 |
| hydrogen | It takes more effort to type like that | 06:34 |
| hydrogen | and there is little reward for doing so | 06:34 |
| h3sp4wn | I guess it could be a script | 06:34 |
| Gnine | yah.. but my keyboard is not dvorak.. so i have to | 06:34 |
| hydrogen | least your twice as cool for doing it | 06:34 |
| Gnine | not for the c0oln3ss .. just cuz i c4n | 06:35 |
| hydrogen | well | 06:35 |
| hydrogen | unfortunatly for you | 06:35 |
| hydrogen | #ubuntu+1 is english only | 06:35 |
| shirish | DanaG: aptitude just hangs :( | 06:35 |
| Gnine | how can you read it then.. ? dont give me the english lecture | 06:36 |
| shirish | h3sp4wn: what's wrong here | 06:36 |
| shirish | shirish@Mugglewille:~$ sudo apt-get install libgnomevfs2-0=1:2.20.1 | 06:36 |
| shirish | Reading package lists... Done | 06:36 |
| shirish | Building dependency tree | 06:36 |
| shirish | Reading state information... Done | 06:36 |
| shirish | E: Version '1:2.20.1' for 'libgnomevfs2-0' was not found | 06:36 |
| DanaG | stop | 06:36 |
| DanaG | don't paste too much. | 06:36 |
| shirish | did the pasting, sorry for that | 06:36 |
| Gnine | !pastebin | 06:36 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 06:36 |
| DanaG | That's odd that aptitude hangs. Run it with no parameters, as sudo. | 06:36 |
| DanaG | And if that still hangs, try without sudo. | 06:37 |
| DanaG | Or you can use Synaptic and "Force Version". | 06:37 |
| h3sp4wn | shirish: You tell me if that is in the repos and appears in madison (after an update) then should be fine | 06:37 |
| ethana3 | ok | 06:37 |
| DanaG | WTF is madison? | 06:37 |
| ethana3 | hardy is installed and running | 06:37 |
| h3sp4wn | shirish: If it is gone some mirror may or may not be gone | 06:37 |
| DanaG | Besides a town in Wisconsin, or something. | 06:38 |
| h3sp4wn | (i.e the file might still be there) | 06:38 |
| ethana3 | madison? | 06:38 |
| ethana3 | is that the name of a build? | 06:38 |
| shirish | h3sp4wn: what is in the repos? | 06:38 |
| Gnine | madison is also a cut3 n4m3 | 06:38 |
| h3sp4wn | Its an apt-cache command | 06:38 |
| h3sp4wn | shows binaries and source and what produced what etc | 06:38 |
| DanaG | Wow, that's a bit obscure. | 06:39 |
| ethana3 | yes. | 06:39 |
| Gnine | you can figure that and yet you cant regress a version | 06:39 |
| shirish | h3sp4wn: this is what it shows atm http://pastebin.ca/889831 | 06:40 |
| ethana3 | well, my keyboard doesn't work properly.. the caps and backspace still don't like eachother | 06:41 |
| h3sp4wn | shirish: As easy to just download the deb and dpkg -i it in that case if its just a single deb | 06:43 |
| shirish | h3sp4wn: it might have dependencies which might have to be downgraded as well. | 06:44 |
| h3sp4wn | shirish: Well it might doesn't help either of us find out | 06:44 |
| h3sp4wn | Install apt-show-versions as well | 06:45 |
| h3sp4wn | (then you can quickly scan for anything that aint from hardy) | 06:45 |
| shirish | DanaG: haven't used aptitude (the menu) before, using it the first time, it shows some broken packages, how do I list the broken packages? | 06:45 |
| DanaG | Try hitting 'e'. | 06:45 |
| * Gnine rubs forehead | 06:45 | |
| DanaG | That's for "examine recommendations". | 06:46 |
| DanaG | Dependency solutions, that is. | 06:46 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Is anyone here running KDE4 on Hardy Alpha 4? | 06:46 |
| Gnine | gn0m3!! | 06:47 |
| shirish | DanaG: thanx, although I'm starting to like aptitude , although don't understand why it didn't show broken packages on the safe-upgrade or full-upgrade on the CLI | 06:47 |
| DanaG | That does seem odd. | 06:47 |
| Gnine | broken packages are determined afterwards | 06:48 |
| DanaG | After what? | 06:48 |
| Gnine | after you update/upgrade | 06:48 |
| Gnine | i guess that's what alpha means | 06:49 |
| h3sp4wn | I don't think that can be true it must some how take into account the broken packages from an earlier point | 06:49 |
| Gnine | what if the breakage is in the current update? | 06:50 |
| h3sp4wn | Otherwise how does it always choose the sane response | 06:50 |
| shirish | DanaG: usually when one is doing a full-upgrade if there are broken packages (unsatisfied dependencies) it shows up, in aptitude (the GUI) its showing as gnome-terminal having an unsatisfied dependency, I don't understand it :( | 06:51 |
| DanaG | argh, my ctrl key got virtual-stuck. | 06:52 |
| DanaG | i.e. the keyboard is fine, but Xorg thinks it's stuck down. | 06:52 |
| Gnine | nice keyboard | 06:52 |
| Gnine | that's when you go into synaptic and recheck , shirish | 06:54 |
| * Gnine likes gui | 06:54 | |
| * Gnine also likes last update on tk-53 x86_64 | 06:56 | |
| * DanaG has merely a Yonah. | 06:56 | |
| ethana3 | DanaG: be glad your problems are such limited.. | 06:57 |
| ethana3 | ;) | 06:57 |
| ethana3 | XORG HAS SOME BUGS TO work out yEt.. daNg caGGAHH | 06:58 |
| shirish | something that a simple reboot can solve ;) | 06:58 |
| ethana3 | not in my case | 06:58 |
| shirish | or should solve | 06:58 |
| ethana3 | please ignore erratic capitalization | 06:58 |
| shirish | similarly, I have no idea why I'm not getting through in my stuff | 06:59 |
| DanaG | I don't have to reboot for mine; I just have to ctrl-alt-backspace. | 06:59 |
| ethana3 | ok, so I want to do a dual seat setup with thiS.. | 06:59 |
| shirish | h3sp4wn: I've installed apt-show-versions as well. | 06:59 |
| shirish | DanaG: that true, that one escaped me. | 06:59 |
| ethana3 | can both seats use compiz? | 06:59 |
| * Gnine takes notes | 06:59 | |
| h3sp4wn | shirish: Its useful because you can see what isn't from wherever with a simple grep | 07:00 |
| shirish | h3sp4wn: this is the output from apt-show-versions http://pastebin.ca/889845 | 07:01 |
| ethana3 | i think i'm going to try to fix my keyboard now inSTEAD OF WAITING FOR A FIX | 07:01 |
| shirish | now, I want to install the version from hardy while I have got the version from sofaraway.org | 07:01 |
| ethana3 | Option"XkbLayout""us" | 07:02 |
| ethana3 | Option"XkbVariant""colemak" | 07:02 |
| ethana3 | Option"XkbOptions""lv3:ralt_switch" | 07:02 |
| ethana3 | is there a Caps off option in Xkb? | 07:02 |
| ethana3 | well, that still wouldn't fix that i can't hold backspace down and have it work.. | 07:03 |
| Dr_willis | ive seen guides on remaping the capslock to be ctrl | 07:03 |
| ethana3 | this is colemak | 07:03 |
| ethana3 | no custom layout stuff | 07:03 |
| ethana3 | that's my backspace | 07:03 |
| ethana3 | do you think those may be of help to me? | 07:04 |
| ethana3 | i'm going to add my new data to that bug i filed | 07:04 |
| Dr_willis | I dont know what the actual problem is/was to begin with. :) | 07:04 |
| h3sp4wn | I miss the sun unix layout (and a real meta) | 07:04 |
| ethana3 | it is that this is my backspace | 07:05 |
| ethana3 | but it's also caps now | 07:05 |
| ethana3 | and i can't hold it down | 07:05 |
| h3sp4wn | does ctrl-H work | 07:05 |
| ethana3 | if i erase an odd number .. cTRL+h? | 07:05 |
| h3sp4wn | yep | 07:05 |
| Dr_willis | backspace and delete key swapped? | 07:05 |
| ethana3 | what's that supposed to do? | 07:05 |
| shirish | finally managed to downgrade, after doing that, would comment out the gstreamer third-party repository. Do u guys think that it (aptitude) will catch stuff from hardy next time gstreamer & other stuff updates? | 07:05 |
| Dr_willis | ctrl-h is backspace :) | 07:05 |
| ethana3 | gahh | 07:05 |
| h3sp4wn | That works as a backspace for me | 07:05 |
| ethana3 | www.colemak.com | 07:05 |
| ethana3 | no, it does not work | 07:06 |
| ethana3 | ctrl+h does nothing | 07:06 |
| DanaG | What IS up with that random caps? | 07:06 |
| Dr_willis | Spilled coke on the keyboard? | 07:06 |
| ethana3 | that's a bug.. | 07:06 |
| shirish | DanaG: looking for u'r guidance to what I typed above | 07:06 |
| ethana3 | liNK.. HERE | 07:06 |
| ethana3 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/188308 | 07:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 188308 in ubuntu "colemak is broken" [Undecided,New] | 07:07 |
| Dr_willis | !info colemak | 07:07 |
| ubotu | Package colemak does not exist in hardy | 07:07 |
| ethana3 | it's a keyboard layout | 07:08 |
| ethana3 | ..yes. | 07:08 |
| h3sp4wn | Well with it being a keyboard layout you almost certainly fix it yourself given enough time | 07:09 |
| ethana3 | this is an alpha | 07:09 |
| ethana3 | for fixing things before thE RELEASE | 07:09 |
| ethana3 | here, go to your us keyboard layout variants in gnome keyboard | 07:10 |
| ethana3 | and have a look at it | 07:10 |
| ethana3 | then look at caps lock options.. | 07:10 |
| ethana3 | i guess i'm the only colemak typist here right now.. | 07:11 |
| ethana3 | any dvorak users? | 07:11 |
| h3sp4wn | One of my friends uses the neo layout I think its called | 07:11 |
| ethana3 | neo? | 07:12 |
| ethana3 | googling... | 07:12 |
| ethana3 | ok, that's the same aim as colemak | 07:13 |
| underwatercow | in hardy, I can't seem to get my Revolution 5.1 to work right... anyone else have the same sound card? | 07:13 |
| ethana3 | but for german instead of english | 07:13 |
| ethana3 | besides, we have ßüff like that too | 07:13 |
| ethana3 | ;) | 07:13 |
| underwatercow | colemak? is that a typing style? lol | 07:15 |
| ethana3 | qwfpgjluy; | 07:16 |
| ethana3 | arstdhneio | 07:16 |
| underwatercow | I should learn dvorak some day | 07:16 |
| ethana3 | zxcvbkm,. | 07:16 |
| ethana3 | caps is backspace | 07:16 |
| DanaG | Oooooooooh, new international keyboard setting: AltGre dead keys. | 07:16 |
| ethana3 | no, don't learn dvorak | 07:16 |
| ethana3 | ours is better | 07:16 |
| underwatercow | LOL | 07:16 |
| ethana3 | and easier to learn | 07:16 |
| DanaG | Finally, I can type cool stuff without breaking my frickin' apostrophes. | 07:16 |
| DanaG | äåéëþüúíœïhgfðß®© | 07:16 |
| underwatercow | How is it easier to learn? | 07:16 |
| ethana3 | yes.. | 07:16 |
| ethana3 | altgr is awesome | 07:16 |
| DanaG | 朩®bñµç¶øœïhgfðß¿˙¿¿¿¿˙˙˙ | 07:16 |
| ethana3 | qwahzxcvbm,. don't move | 07:16 |
| DanaG | ¿que? | 07:16 |
| ethana3 | from qwerty | 07:17 |
| ethana3 | ¿Qué? | 07:17 |
| h3sp4wn | for dvorak do you get all the shortcuts for such as emacs / vi changed to make sense for that layout | 07:17 |
| DanaG | ÆWÆSOMÆ | 07:17 |
| Gnine | it is a habit. if you learned dvorak first , qwerty will be teh hassle | 07:17 |
| underwatercow | LOL, I have a friend that uses dvorak and vim and seems to have no trouble | 07:17 |
| ethana3 | he probably has vim remapped | 07:17 |
| h3sp4wn | using hjkl in vi if they are in some non sensible place then do you have to make yur own keymap | 07:18 |
| ethana3 | i gotta go for a while; be back soon | 07:18 |
| Dr_willis | Hmm One of these days i need to read up on how compiz/emerald and x-window-decorator and gtk-window-decorator interrelate.. | 07:30 |
| Dr_willis | it seems that when i login to gnome now.. emerald is getting sta4rted. | 07:31 |
| Gnine | if you have it installed | 07:31 |
| Gnine | duh | 07:31 |
| Dr_willis | but i thought only kde needed emerald. | 07:31 |
| Dr_willis | I cant seem to set gnome to use the gtk-windodeorator by default now. | 07:31 |
| * Gnine uses emerald on gnome | 07:32 | |
| Gnine | remove emerald | 07:32 |
| Dr_willis | unless of course i want to keep emerald on kde.. | 07:33 |
| h3sp4wn | I thought kde4 had its own compositing manager | 07:35 |
| Dr_willis | 4 does.. | 07:36 |
| Dr_willis | Im just noticing that emerald was getting started by defualt on my Ubuntu system. instead of the other decorator . | 07:37 |
| h3sp4wn | I think I would prefer the choice of either kde4 or kde3 and them conflicting | 07:37 |
| h3sp4wn | rather than that putting kde4 in a wierd place | 07:38 |
| DanaG | ↙↓↘→↗↑↖← | 07:38 |
| * Gnine wiggles | 07:38 | |
| DanaG | Just discovered the awesome new keyboard settings thingy..... numpad part. | 07:39 |
| DanaG | Tired of hunting for these: ? | 07:39 |
| DanaG | ÷× | 07:39 |
| DanaG | −+ (normal is -+) | 07:40 |
| DanaG | ∕ ⋅ (normal is / * ) | 07:40 |
| Dr_willis | Hmm Avahi SSH Server Browser - That looks interesting. :) but i bet the other machines on the lan need the avahi stuff set up also. | 07:41 |
| dreamnid | yeah... I noticed that too | 07:49 |
| dreamnid | works pretty well :-P | 07:50 |
| h3sp4wn | Sounds like a security risk waiting to happen to me | 07:50 |
| dreamnid | a security risk? | 07:50 |
| DanaG | Not if you don't enable announcement. I'd imagine that'd be disabled by default. | 07:50 |
| dreamnid | well, w/ the Avahi VNC Browser, I saw both of my Ubuntu servers with VNC enabled | 07:51 |
| dreamnid | and I didn't have to do anything to get that functionality | 07:51 |
| dreamnid | I didn't try the SSH one yet | 07:51 |
| dreamnid | and it isn't really a security risk | 07:51 |
| dreamnid | admittedly, I'm not sure who would use an SSH/VNC browser | 07:52 |
| Dr_willis | I would for my Mythtv box in the basement. :) everythings on dhcp - so im always haveing to nmap the lan to find its ip | 07:53 |
| Dr_willis | but the other box is a gutsy install.. what do i have to enable on it? | 07:53 |
| h3sp4wn | Can you not just lock the ip to a mac or just use a name | 07:53 |
| Dr_willis | I could. but i keep getting ips messed up | 07:54 |
| Dr_willis | been changeing out too many machines/cards/stuff lately | 07:54 |
| Dr_willis | and all i do is ssh to it rarely. Its mainly a fileserver | 07:54 |
| DanaG | How about getting a dd-wrt router and enabling local DNS? | 07:54 |
| DanaG | I do that with my router. | 07:54 |
| dreamnid | Dr_willis... like I said, I didn't have to do anything... and the other two clients were gutsy installs | 07:54 |
| DanaG | It uses dnsmasq. | 07:54 |
| DanaG | Nifty! | 07:54 |
| Dr_willis | dreamnid, i may have avahi disalbed on that machine. Its been hacked on a lot. :) | 07:54 |
| dreamnid | haha | 07:55 |
| Dr_willis | Hmm. what do i put for domain its set to local. | 07:56 |
| dreamnid | what was the keyboard setting thingy you were talking about, Dana? | 07:56 |
| Dr_willis | Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon is running on the gutsy box in the basement. | 07:57 |
| DanaG | System→Preferences→Keyboard | 07:57 |
| DanaG | I have it set to USA International (AltGr dead keys). | 07:57 |
| DanaG | And under "layout options", I have it set to "keypad with additions". | 07:57 |
| DanaG | Then select the layout, then hit 'print' and then 'print preview'. | 07:58 |
| dreamnid | hmm | 07:58 |
| Dr_willis | Hmm,, when i am using fusesmb to mount a fusesmb share.. it always prints out 'test' when its doing it.. | 08:01 |
| Dr_willis | Anyone ever noticed why it does that? | 08:01 |
| Dr_willis | fusesmb Network/ | 08:01 |
| Dr_willis | test | 08:01 |
| Dr_willis | Then its mounted. :) | 08:01 |
| dreamnid | probably the programmer was testing something and forgot to remove it when done | 08:02 |
| dreamnid | or is still working on it | 08:02 |
| Dr_willis | Yea. Just a little.. weird. :) | 08:03 |
| Dr_willis | since its seen everytime ya run the tool. | 08:03 |
| Dr_willis | Im working on the fusesmb wiki. So i figured id research this oddity | 08:04 |
| dreamnid | I never mounted a samba share yet | 08:04 |
| dreamnid | I hate how it takes a long time for me to login | 08:04 |
| * Gnine dodged temptation from DanaG | 08:04 | |
| Dr_willis | Long time? never noticed. :) | 08:05 |
| h3sp4wn | dreamnid: I think if you have a wins server (running on Linux or Windows) then you can reduce that quite significantly (and set directly master browser etc) | 08:05 |
| dreamnid | h3sp4wn: hmm.. | 08:05 |
| h3sp4wn | Probably setting samba as a domain controller would be ok also | 08:06 |
| dreamnid | but it only happens on my laptop | 08:06 |
| dreamnid | and besides, I'm pretty sure I'm not running a WINS server | 08:06 |
| h3sp4wn | does it map properly | 08:06 |
| dreamnid | not sure | 08:08 |
| dreamnid | I'll investigate it later | 08:09 |
| ethana3 | DanaG: interested in cutting finger movement by 2.2x? | 08:16 |
| ethana3 | ^_^ | 08:16 |
| DanaG | Maybe. | 08:16 |
| ethana3 | the mac layout has greek and math stuff | 08:16 |
| ethana3 | i find myself wanting those too.. but i'll live | 08:17 |
| DanaG | It didn't look any different to me under the print preview. | 08:17 |
| DanaG | I mean, no different from the standard. | 08:17 |
| ethana3 | what? | 08:17 |
| ethana3 | then they didn't do it right | 08:17 |
| ethana3 | not surprised | 08:17 |
| ethana3 | ones main resource for information about it would just be www.colemak.com | 08:17 |
| ethana3 | it's not yet properly integrated and all that | 08:18 |
| ethana3 | which is part of why i'm here | 08:18 |
| ethana3 | it displays properly on mine | 08:19 |
| ethana3 | its not like the hardware is different, if that's what you were looking at | 08:19 |
| ethana3 | i should start turning this into a dual seat now | 08:21 |
| ethana3 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/best-way-to-build-a-computer-for-2-users-567529/page2.html#post3044254 | 08:22 |
| ethana3 | i'm going to copy his xorg.conf and modify it for my hardware | 08:22 |
| ethana3 | his gdm.conf-custom as well | 08:22 |
| ethana3 | switched to radeon driver | 08:24 |
| ethana3 | restarting X.. | 08:24 |
| ethana3 | radeon gives me a res too big for my CRT.. going to tell it to use 1280x1024.. | 08:26 |
| DanaG | Use 1280x960 instead -- it's 4:3. | 08:26 |
| DanaG | 1280x1024 is 5:4. | 08:26 |
| DanaG | Or use 1360x1024. | 08:26 |
| ethana3 | that's not the aspect ratio of my hardware | 08:26 |
| DanaG | No CRT is 5:4. | 08:26 |
| ethana3 | it's what i always use | 08:27 |
| DanaG | Well, then at least don't stretch it horizontally. | 08:27 |
| ethana3 | hmm | 08:27 |
| ethana3 | i don't | 08:27 |
| ethana3 | i like squares to be squares | 08:27 |
| ethana3 | ;) | 08:27 |
| ethana3 | good old xorg.conf didn't get the axe after all | 08:27 |
| underwatercow | wasn't firefox 3 supposed to be in hardy? | 08:27 |
| Gnine | thats 10:9 + alright | 08:28 |
| ethana3 | that's what i thought | 08:28 |
| ethana3 | it's not there | 08:28 |
| ethana3 | i checked | 08:28 |
| underwatercow | yeah. me too | 08:28 |
| underwatercow | maybe they are planning to... or meant to... or something | 08:28 |
| underwatercow | lol | 08:28 |
| ethana3 | set the mode for desired res, restarting x | 08:33 |
| underwatercow | anyone in here use a Revolution5.1 or have sound problems with hardy? | 08:34 |
| ethana3 | ...didn't take, examining xorg.conf again.. | 08:34 |
| ethana3 | normally i don't trust Screens and Graphics.. i'm going to try it anyway.. | 08:35 |
| ethana3 | it won't let me do anything | 08:36 |
| ethana3 | is that an alpha4 caveat? | 08:36 |
| DarkMageZ | ethana3, yeah. it's known to be broken atm | 08:37 |
| ethana3 | ok | 08:37 |
| ethana3 | while they're at fixing it, that'd be a fine place to insert dual seat configuration | 08:38 |
| ethana3 | which would make my life /much/ easier | 08:38 |
| ethana3 | in fact | 08:39 |
| ethana3 | that's the only place where it really belongs | 08:39 |
| ethana3 | from my experience, anything Screens and Graphics cannot undestand | 08:40 |
| ethana3 | it will destroy | 08:40 |
| DarkMageZ | someone needs to come along and rewrite everything related to that from scratch and do it properly. | 08:42 |
| ethana3 | powering up second monitor connected to intel integrated... | 08:42 |
| ethana3 | i may just switch to it until the radeon bug is fixed | 08:43 |
| ethana3 | Screens and Graphics? | 08:43 |
| ethana3 | agreed | 08:43 |
| ethana3 | so i switched the driver from radeon to intel | 08:44 |
| ethana3 | will it know to switch gpus? | 08:44 |
| DarkMageZ | plug and prey =D | 08:44 |
| ethana3 | nom nom nom | 08:45 |
| ethana3 | saved, restarting x, using second monitor and gpu, hopefully. | 08:45 |
| ethana3 | FAIL | 08:48 |
| ethana3 | reverting to vesa | 08:48 |
| dreamnid | hmm... I just tried the Avahi SSH browser and it doesn't pick up my Gutsy SSH server | 08:49 |
| ethana3 | it's ingnoring my xorg.conf | 08:52 |
| DarkMageZ | ethana3, i think the busid would be different for the intel chip. | 08:52 |
| ethana3 | its hiding its set busid | 08:52 |
| ethana3 | i've gone through enough pain with this | 08:53 |
| ethana3 | that i know the intel is at 0:02:0 | 08:53 |
| ethana3 | 02.0* | 08:53 |
| ethana3 | i think | 08:53 |
| ethana3 | well, best make sure... | 08:53 |
| ethana3 | the mice are wierd | 08:53 |
| ethana3 | well, same cursor, two mice | 08:53 |
| ethana3 | anyway, it wont click | 08:53 |
| ethana3 | it only dragS | 08:53 |
| Dr_willis | dreamnid, it dont work for me either. | 08:54 |
| ethana3 | i do things that bring out every obscure bug there is | 08:54 |
| ethana3 | does this mean i'm a good alpha tester? | 08:54 |
| Dr_willis | i also notice that fusesmb seems to not function right either. | 08:54 |
| ethana3 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel | 08:55 |
| ethana3 | yup, had the pci memorized | 08:55 |
| ethana3 | i'll use vim instead of gedit | 08:55 |
| ethana3 | because of the crazy mice | 08:55 |
| ethana3 | for those wondering about colemak, q and w are the same as qwerty | 08:56 |
| ethana3 | and they're all i use, besides i | 08:56 |
| ethana3 | and : | 08:56 |
| ethana3 | ..in vim | 08:56 |
| * Gnine shivers | 08:56 | |
| ethana3 | what's the busid option thing? | 08:57 |
| ethana3 | BusID? | 08:57 |
| ethana3 | with "0:02.0" after it? | 08:57 |
| ethana3 | hope so, that's what i did | 08:57 |
| ethana3 | ...restarting x again | 08:58 |
| ethana3 | *sigh* | 08:58 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, I usually just don't use BusIDs. | 08:59 |
| ethana3 | the failsafe xorg.conf was angering me so i destroyed it | 09:01 |
| ethana3 | my xorg.conf looks good | 09:01 |
| ethana3 | restarting x /again/ | 09:02 |
| ethana3 | drat | 09:04 |
| ethana3 | it won't switch to my other screen and gpu | 09:04 |
| ethana3 | looks like i'll have to use the radeon card for now | 09:04 |
| ethana3 | under vesa or something | 09:05 |
| ethana3 | why does radeon ignore my mode settings? | 09:05 |
| ethana3 | that's horrible | 09:05 |
| ethana3 | not guessing right is one thing... | 09:05 |
| ethana3 | time to take another whack at that poor xorg.conf in vim | 09:05 |
| ethana3 | i guess i should be happy that it can raise itself from the dead | 09:06 |
| ethana3 | on the other hand, that's what rescue terminal is for | 09:07 |
| ethana3 | and i'm no stranger | 09:07 |
| ethana3 | so it kind of steps on my toes | 09:07 |
| underwatercow | The crash happened in the firmware of the computer ("BIOS"), which cannot be influenced by the operating system. | 09:07 |
| underwatercow | never seen that before | 09:07 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:07 |
| ethana3 | that sounds like a hypervisor more than a bios | 09:07 |
| ethana3 | lol | 09:07 |
| ethana3 | ..this is hopeless, /for now/ | 09:07 |
| underwatercow | Problem in usplash | 09:08 |
| underwatercow | how would my BIOS cause usplash to crash? | 09:08 |
| ethana3 | compiz vs. full res, i must choose full res | 09:08 |
| Dr_willis | framebuffer issue? | 09:08 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:08 |
| underwatercow | can't the softward be fixed to still not crash? | 09:08 |
| underwatercow | software* | 09:08 |
| arabiannights | hey | 09:08 |
| arabiannights | opensuse is better than ubuntu | 09:09 |
| ethana3 | hey | 09:09 |
| ethana3 | we're all in this together | 09:09 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:09 |
| ethana3 | ...ssoooo failsafe raped my xorg.conf | 09:09 |
| ethana3 | to put it bluntly | 09:09 |
| underwatercow | I tried opensuse... it was ok.. I like Ubuntu more though | 09:09 |
| ethana3 | i tried that and fedora | 09:09 |
| ethana3 | back when my gpu wasn't supported | 09:10 |
| arabiannights | which you like fedora or opensuse? | 09:10 |
| ethana3 | and i couldn't even figure out the package management | 09:10 |
| ethana3 | ubuntu. | 09:10 |
| underwatercow | I like the repos in ubuntu/debian more than in opensuse | 09:10 |
| ethana3 | yes... those that i never did figure out | 09:10 |
| ethana3 | gave up | 09:10 |
| underwatercow | yast | 09:10 |
| ethana3 | yeah that | 09:10 |
| underwatercow | :-p | 09:10 |
| underwatercow | never really figured it out either | 09:10 |
| ethana3 | ok, i thought this xorg would be better | 09:10 |
| ethana3 | it's horrible for configuration | 09:10 |
| ethana3 | keep xorg.conf in all its glory | 09:11 |
| underwatercow | ethana3: is it fully upgraded? | 09:11 |
| ethana3 | and just give us a working GUI | 09:11 |
| ethana3 | yes. | 09:11 |
| ethana3 | i think so | 09:11 |
| ethana3 | i'll make sure | 09:11 |
| ethana3 | yes. | 09:11 |
| ethana3 | yes it is | 09:11 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:12 |
| ethana3 | so it won't let me fix it | 09:12 |
| ethana3 | and it won't let me let it fix it | 09:12 |
| kst- | is hardy going to break for me? :p | 09:12 |
| ethana3 | 15 minutes and my system is screwed already | 09:12 |
| ethana3 | that's a record | 09:12 |
| ethana3 | kst-: config/ | 09:12 |
| ethana3 | ? | 09:12 |
| ethana3 | dual gpu? | 09:12 |
| kst- | i take this as a "yes" ethana3 :D | 09:12 |
| ethana3 | perhaps | 09:12 |
| ethana3 | i saved my /home to another hard drive | 09:13 |
| underwatercow | xorg 7.4 or 7.5 is supposed to allow for multiple input devices | 09:13 |
| kst- | nah pentium M, ati x700 mobility (lappy) and so on | 09:13 |
| ethana3 | well yeah | 09:13 |
| ethana3 | multi touch and such | 09:13 |
| ethana3 | but i need native dual seat | 09:13 |
| ethana3 | and proper colemak | 09:13 |
| underwatercow | that is, like, two mice and such too | 09:13 |
| ethana3 | and working autoconfiguration | 09:13 |
| ethana3 | yes. | 09:13 |
| ethana3 | two of everything | 09:13 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:13 |
| underwatercow | or three I guess | 09:13 |
| kst- | so is hardy in a useable state already or still crashing every half an hour? :) | 09:13 |
| underwatercow | it's usable | 09:13 |
| underwatercow | but a tad buggy | 09:14 |
| ethana3 | intel, radeon, two CRT's, two mice, two keyboards | 09:14 |
| ethana3 | depends who you are | 09:14 |
| ethana3 | it's friendly | 09:14 |
| ethana3 | i | 09:14 |
| ethana3 | m just not its friend | 09:14 |
| underwatercow | I'm using it right now | 09:14 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:14 |
| ethana3 | same | 09:14 |
| ethana3 | if you can't tell ^_^ | 09:14 |
| underwatercow | the problem with alphas is I keep sitting here wishing they would put out updates | 09:14 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:14 |
| kst- | my gutsy system is almost screwed because i installed countless random desktops and stuff :D so i might as well update to hardy before i format :-) | 09:14 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:14 |
| kst- | how much disk space do i need for that? | 09:14 |
| underwatercow | for updating? | 09:15 |
| ethana3 | not much | 09:15 |
| kst- | ye updating | 09:15 |
| ethana3 | oh | 09:15 |
| underwatercow | I think it's about 1 gig of downloads | 09:15 |
| kst- | :E | 09:15 |
| rsk | sure but you can remove loads also | 09:15 |
| ethana3 | notice | 09:15 |
| ethana3 | that's bigger than the CD | 09:15 |
| ethana3 | lol | 09:15 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:15 |
| underwatercow | well, it was like, 1 gig for me... | 09:15 |
| underwatercow | :-p | 09:15 |
| underwatercow | I don't know why | 09:15 |
| ethana3 | they need to respin bi-weekly for stable | 09:15 |
| underwatercow | respin? | 09:16 |
| ethana3 | but they don't want to give OCD people another.. | 09:16 |
| ethana3 | yes | 09:16 |
| ethana3 | spin updates into the disk images | 09:16 |
| ethana3 | to save bandwidth | 09:16 |
| rsk | all the packages that you installed after you installed lets say 7.10 | 09:16 |
| rsk | are also updated | 09:16 |
| ethana3 | yes | 09:16 |
| rsk | so that's why its bigger than the cd | 09:16 |
| underwatercow | yeah | 09:16 |
| underwatercow | it also sometimes removes things for no good reason | 09:16 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:16 |
| rsk | who needs firefox anyway? | 09:17 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:17 |
| kst- | is anyone using kubuntu hardy? kde integration any good? i've used some opensuse 10.3 at uni and i liked it, but when i just added kde-desktop to my gutsy gnome install it was rather buggy and i hated it :( | 09:17 |
| underwatercow | it removed epiphany when I tried updating | 09:17 |
| ethana3 | brb | 09:17 |
| underwatercow | I haven't heard too much about kde... my friend didn't like dolphin | 09:17 |
| Ayabara | 14th february: Upgrade Testing begins. what does this mean? | 09:17 |
| rsk | what it says Ayabara ? | 09:18 |
| rsk | :P | 09:18 |
| underwatercow | I guess tesing the upgrade | 09:19 |
| underwatercow | testing* | 09:19 |
| Ayabara | rsk: hehe. I'm thinking about upgrading to hardy and using it on a daily basis (with the risk of breakage), and that line made me wonder how I should install it :-) | 09:19 |
| * DanaG uses aptitude. | 09:19 | |
| DanaG | It tells you everything it plans to do, before it does it. | 09:19 |
| underwatercow | from personal experience, I would definitely not recommend upgrading | 09:19 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:19 |
| underwatercow | the cd install worked best for me | 09:19 |
| ethana3 | yes. | 09:19 |
| ethana3 | this is for the bleeding edge | 09:19 |
| ethana3 | of course | 09:19 |
| ethana3 | it's the only way to get pidgin 2.3.1 other than source | 09:20 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, about the BusID thingy: for two different video cards, you might not even need them/ | 09:20 |
| DanaG | . | 09:20 |
| underwatercow | trying to do upgrades from gutsy to hardy through update-manager left me with more issues than anything | 09:20 |
| ethana3 | i only have it set up for one so far | 09:20 |
| ethana3 | i want to keep that working | 09:20 |
| underwatercow | what is new in 2.3.1? | 09:20 |
| ethana3 | because 0 is not a good number of seats | 09:20 |
| Ayabara | I'm probably ordering a new pc tomorrow, so maybe I should wait until that arrives in 2-3 weeks time | 09:20 |
| ethana3 | various bugfixes | 09:20 |
| ethana3 | some probably security related | 09:20 |
| ethana3 | as well as various... improvements | 09:20 |
| ethana3 | better utilization of various IM protocols | 09:21 |
| ethana3 | file transfer and such | 09:21 |
| ethana3 | i don't remember, they have a changelog | 09:21 |
| underwatercow | what exactly does the Ubuntu team do? | 09:21 |
| ethana3 | integrates packages | 09:22 |
| ethana3 | maintains repos | 09:22 |
| ethana3 | forwards bugs | 09:22 |
| ethana3 | fixes bugs | 09:22 |
| ethana3 | they probably directly contribute to every project out there | 09:22 |
| underwatercow | that's about what I thought, lol | 09:22 |
| underwatercow | do they do any original work? | 09:22 |
| underwatercow | or mostly integration work? | 09:22 |
| ethana3 | well | 09:23 |
| ethana3 | i'd think they make their own gnome stuff | 09:23 |
| ethana3 | and start using it before gnome does | 09:23 |
| underwatercow | like what? | 09:23 |
| ethana3 | i thought they actually made Screens and Graphics | 09:23 |
| ethana3 | ...which, you know | 09:23 |
| ethana3 | was a nice thought | 09:23 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:23 |
| underwatercow | back to this again? | 09:23 |
| underwatercow | ;-D | 09:23 |
| ethana3 | ...potentially very powerful | 09:23 |
| ethana3 | i hope to push its limits | 09:24 |
| ethana3 | until hardy is released | 09:24 |
| ethana3 | with my bizarre demands on xorg | 09:24 |
| underwatercow | what I want to know is why there isn't a way to make your wallpaper randomly in gnome | 09:24 |
| underwatercow | change randomly* | 09:24 |
| ethana3 | with Fyre | 09:24 |
| ethana3 | on the fly | 09:24 |
| ethana3 | lol, slideshow | 09:24 |
| underwatercow | or to make it so you can have different wallpapers on each workspace | 09:24 |
| ethana3 | they're working on that | 09:24 |
| underwatercow | or to make it so you can hide certain drives on the desktop | 09:24 |
| underwatercow | :-p | 09:24 |
| ethana3 | KDE4 is laying on the heat | 09:24 |
| underwatercow | KDE allows that | 09:25 |
| underwatercow | but I hate KDE, so.... | 09:25 |
| ethana3 | competition is about to get fierce | 09:25 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:25 |
| DanaG | What I want: | 09:25 |
| DanaG | Fedora 8's nice wallpaper changey thingy. | 09:25 |
| ethana3 | or Eubuntu | 09:25 |
| underwatercow | what is so great about it? | 09:25 |
| DanaG | The wallpaper changes color smoothly through the day. | 09:25 |
| ethana3 | it has something like that too | 09:25 |
| underwatercow | I use wallpaper-tray | 09:25 |
| ethana3 | yeah, it's just nifty | 09:25 |
| DanaG | It gives a sense of sunrise, noon, sunset, and night. | 09:25 |
| underwatercow | changes every hour I think | 09:25 |
| ethana3 | i filmed a bunch of videos | 09:25 |
| underwatercow | that's neat | 09:25 |
| ethana3 | to use as my background | 09:25 |
| ethana3 | like, water flowing mostly | 09:26 |
| DanaG | I wish Nautilus supported videos, too. | 09:26 |
| ethana3 | so i'm ready to see that feature show up | 09:26 |
| Ayabara | there's no change in the artwork for hardy yet? | 09:26 |
| underwatercow | yeah, there is | 09:26 |
| ethana3 | i hope they axe human | 09:26 |
| ethana3 | orange is ugly | 09:26 |
| ethana3 | i like green and up on the spectrum | 09:26 |
| underwatercow | The wallpaper is like, elephany skin or something now | 09:26 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, if you see any videos on dream.wincustomize.com that you want, I can go to Vista and extract the videos, and then put them on my Cal Poly web space. | 09:26 |
| ethana3 | and black and white | 09:26 |
| underwatercow | elephant* | 09:26 |
| underwatercow | and there is a diff theme | 09:26 |
| underwatercow | might not be the final though | 09:26 |
| DanaG | I'm using the Nodoka theme with colors toned down to be less OMG-so-bright-I-need-sunglasses blue. | 09:27 |
| ethana3 | i turn off nautilus | 09:27 |
| ethana3 | and use screensavers as my background | 09:27 |
| ethana3 | some of them don't buffer themselves though | 09:27 |
| underwatercow | screensavers as your background? how does that work | 09:27 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:27 |
| ethana3 | so it's mainly the 3d ones that don't tear when you move windows | 09:27 |
| ethana3 | it's simple | 09:27 |
| ethana3 | first, go into gConf | 09:27 |
| ethana3 | turn nautilus off | 09:27 |
| ethana3 | yes. off. | 09:27 |
| ethana3 | then, go to /usr/lib/xscreensaver | 09:28 |
| ethana3 | or something like that | 09:28 |
| DanaG | Another fun thing: I edited the source of the snowglobe thingy for compiz, so I can make the flakes freakishly huge. | 09:28 |
| ethana3 | and run the one you want with the -root argument | 09:28 |
| DanaG | Now I have a big fuzzy snowball in the center of my cube. | 09:28 |
| ethana3 | some use -r instead | 09:28 |
| ethana3 | i also want to be able to just select those | 09:28 |
| ethana3 | for my background | 09:28 |
| underwatercow | lol... interesting... | 09:28 |
| ethana3 | so i don't have to use the terminal | 09:28 |
| ethana3 | they don't work in compiz, i don't think | 09:28 |
| Ayabara | from the screenshots I see of nodoka in ubuntu it looks like a blue human theme.. | 09:28 |
| ethana3 | yet, anyway | 09:28 |
| underwatercow | Linux has come such a long way... and yet there is still so much left to do | 09:28 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:28 |
| ethana3 | oooh | 09:29 |
| ethana3 | blue is good | 09:29 |
| underwatercow | blubuntu! | 09:29 |
| ethana3 | blue is awesome | 09:29 |
| ethana3 | ...no. | 09:29 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:29 |
| ethana3 | lol | 09:29 |
| DanaG | I use the colors from some "Jellyfish" theme I found on gnome-look.org. | 09:29 |
| DanaG | This is the first blue theme I've found that I don't hate. | 09:29 |
| ethana3 | excellent | 09:29 |
| ethana3 | i want to be able to add themes through add/remove | 09:29 |
| DanaG | I usually think blue is overused and cliché, but not with this one. | 09:29 |
| ethana3 | with the star ratings and all | 09:29 |
| ethana3 | straight from gnome-look | 09:29 |
| ethana3 | i must take a shower now | 09:30 |
| ethana3 | i'll see you all in 10 | 09:30 |
| ethana3 | and then i must sleep | 09:30 |
| underwatercow | hmmm... ooh... would it be possible to make a script that will install a bunch of things (in rc.local or something) and then delete itself when it was done? That could further automate my backup process... lol | 09:30 |
| DanaG | I'm going to go to bed now. | 09:30 |
| underwatercow | yeah, I'm getting sleepy | 09:30 |
| DanaG | underwatercow: you can just cron stuff. | 09:30 |
| DanaG | I don't know the details, but there's a daemon that can run stuff at various intervals. | 09:30 |
| underwatercow | DanaG: I'm just always looking for ways to further automate my backups and restores | 09:30 |
| underwatercow | I would only need to run it once obviously | 09:30 |
| DanaG | I've typically used 'faubackup' to back up stuff. | 09:31 |
| underwatercow | I've worked hard to figure out where evolution saves all it's files (three locations) and which files mozilla stores settings in, etc | 09:31 |
| DanaG | It makes time-marked stuff with hardlinks. | 09:31 |
| underwatercow | I use sbackup | 09:31 |
| DanaG | I think I remember sbackup not working for me. | 09:31 |
| underwatercow | it works spectacularly for me | 09:31 |
| underwatercow | one of the best I've used | 09:31 |
| underwatercow | every now and again it has an issue restoring, but it's seldom and not really a problem | 09:32 |
| DanaG | Does it do incremental? | 09:32 |
| underwatercow | yep | 09:33 |
| underwatercow | and lets you set a schedule on when to delete files | 09:33 |
| underwatercow | after a cut off | 09:33 |
| underwatercow | or logarithmic | 09:33 |
| underwatercow | you can also tell it to use either cron, or anocron | 09:33 |
| underwatercow | anacron* | 09:33 |
| * DanaG ponders getting a new external drive and just using "never" for deleting. | 09:33 | |
| underwatercow | lol, I have mine set to logarithmic | 09:34 |
| underwatercow | my full backups are less than a gig | 09:34 |
| underwatercow | you can choose what to exclude by path, file type, size, and regex | 09:35 |
| underwatercow | I love regex exclusions | 09:35 |
| underwatercow | very useful | 09:35 |
| underwatercow | for instance, I tell it not to backup .*\.before_restore_.* | 09:36 |
| underwatercow | almost essential | 09:36 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:36 |
| DanaG | OOh, it DOES look useful. | 09:36 |
| DanaG | WHat's .*\.before_restore_.* ? | 09:36 |
| underwatercow | when it restores over a file that already exists | 09:36 |
| underwatercow | it will add a before_restore to it | 09:36 |
| underwatercow | and leave it there with the restore file | 09:36 |
| underwatercow | so if you don't have an exclusion like that | 09:37 |
| underwatercow | you can get layered backups | 09:37 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:37 |
| underwatercow | make sense? | 09:37 |
| DanaG | Layered? | 09:37 |
| underwatercow | for instance | 09:37 |
| underwatercow | say you backup an entire folder | 09:37 |
| underwatercow | when you restore it, say that one of the files is there by default | 09:38 |
| Almindor | hello | 09:38 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, try deleting stuff in the new gvfs trash..... | 09:38 |
| DanaG | it replicates. | 09:38 |
| DanaG | Hah! | 09:38 |
| underwatercow | I saw that | 09:38 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:38 |
| underwatercow | it confused me at first | 09:38 |
| Almindor | I just read about the new prefetch (ugh, reminds me of vista and all the...), and I got a few questions | 09:38 |
| Almindor | 1. hopefully it'll be turn-offable right? | 09:38 |
| DanaG | It's like those magic bucket-carrying brooms. | 09:38 |
| underwatercow | but yeah, so say there is a file in the folder you are backing up called alpha.odt, or whatever | 09:38 |
| DanaG | Squash one, you get two. | 09:39 |
| Almindor | 2. if it runs, it'll use the disk when low activity, won't that kill power management? | 09:39 |
| underwatercow | you restore, and you have Alpha.odt and Alpha.odt.before_restore | 09:39 |
| underwatercow | if that backs up | 09:39 |
| underwatercow | and you restore | 09:39 |
| underwatercow | you would get something like | 09:39 |
| DanaG | Does that regex match even without trailing underscore? | 09:39 |
| underwatercow | yeah, it would | 09:40 |
| DanaG | .*\.before_restore_.* ← what about that underscore? | 09:40 |
| DanaG | Oh, and get something like? .. | 09:40 |
| underwatercow | it's there... I think there is a time stamp after the last underscore | 09:40 |
| DanaG | ... | 09:40 |
| underwatercow | I'm actually not positive, but I'm pretty sure you would get something like... | 09:40 |
| underwatercow | Alpha.odt, Alpha.odt.before_restore, and Alpha.odt.before_restore.before_restore... | 09:41 |
| DanaG | Still missing underscore. | 09:41 |
| underwatercow | yeah, I'm lazy | 09:41 |
| underwatercow | I don't feel like making up a time stamp | 09:41 |
| DanaG | should say .before_restore_<timestamp1>.before_restore_<timestamp2> | 09:42 |
| DanaG | That gets the point across. | 09:42 |
| underwatercow | now you're just making it complicated | 09:42 |
| underwatercow | lol | 09:42 |
| underwatercow | either way, I'm pretty sure it does that, but even if it only keeps the one before_restore, that's too much for me... I don't ever usually care what the file was that I'm restoring over | 09:43 |
| underwatercow | if I do a restore over .evolution though, I have to delete any of the before_restore files because evolution will see them and get weird and clutterd | 09:43 |
| DanaG | Anyway, time for me to go to bed. | 09:43 |
| underwatercow | yeah... I didn't mean to stay up so late | 09:44 |
| DanaG | 1:43 AM Pacific (daylight? beats me.) | 09:44 |
| DanaG | s/beats me/I don't have a frickin' clue/ | 09:44 |
| ethana3 | done with shOWER | 09:56 |
| ethana3 | i must go to bed soon | 09:57 |
| ethana3 | the devs read these channel logs, right? | 09:57 |
| DarkMageZ | ethana3, some of them may be reading now. some may look at parts of it later. | 09:57 |
| ethana3 | excellent | 09:58 |
| DarkMageZ | but it's always best to file bugs & questions on the tracker ? | 09:58 |
| ethana3 | yes | 09:58 |
| ethana3 | hmm | 09:58 |
| ethana3 | well i do that | 09:59 |
| ethana3 | but i push the limits so far | 09:59 |
| ethana3 | many of my ideas are currently out of scope or impractical | 09:59 |
| ethana3 | i must resort to pushing them one | 09:59 |
| ethana3 | by | 09:59 |
| ethana3 | one | 09:59 |
| ethana3 | well | 10:00 |
| ethana3 | this time i have two | 10:00 |
| innertrut3 | !enter | 10:00 |
| ubotu | Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! | 10:00 |
| ethana3 | i figure my DE related ones will happen on their own when gnome tries to catch up to KDE 4.1 | 10:00 |
| ethana3 | ok, got it. sorry | 10:01 |
| ethana3 | thanks, innertruth | 10:01 |
| SR71-Blackbird | why does the remote desktop viewer accept only 8 digit for passwords? | 10:02 |
| * SR71-Blackbird goes to see if there are any bug reports on this | 10:03 | |
| dejv_ntb | hello | 10:30 |
| dejv_ntb | is here somebody, who understands ubuntu's suspend policy? | 10:36 |
| ubuntu | lovely colours on irssi :) | 11:30 |
| === ubuntu is now known as savvaslive | ||
| zombie_monkey | guys, what can I do to supply more information about this bug that I submitted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/187335 | 11:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 187335 in gnome-system-tools "Unlock button throws an error, doesn't authenticate" [Low,Incomplete] | 11:52 |
| zombie_monkey | I mean I will install again and see if I can reproduce it; it occured only after about five minutes after installation when I made osme minor settings | 11:55 |
| zombie_monkey | but maybe I should try and find mroe about it first... | 11:56 |
| yao_ziyuan | can anyone solve that libpython.2.5.so ibrary files missing problem? | 12:10 |
| yao_ziyuan | currently i solved the screen resolution problem by copying a kubuntu 7.10 xorg.conf to Hardy 4 | 12:10 |
| mrmonday | is it too late to suggest a feature for Hardy? (it's only a few extra words added into the installer that I'm thinking, not a lot of code needed) | 12:45 |
| === spr0k3t__ is now known as spr0k3t | ||
| yao_ziyuan | strange: | 13:36 |
| yao_ziyuan | if i choose "chinese" before installing Hardy Alpha 4, | 13:36 |
| yao_ziyuan | after installation i can immediately use chinese input methods | 13:36 |
| yao_ziyuan | but if i choose "english" before installation and manually add language Chinese after installation, | 13:37 |
| yao_ziyuan | i don't have chinese input | 13:37 |
| yao_ziyuan | anyway, most chinese users would probably choose "chinese" before installation | 13:38 |
| Loevborg | Is it possible, and sensible, to install hardy in a virtual machine for beta testing? | 13:39 |
| yao_ziyuan | Loevborg: i do | 13:40 |
| yao_ziyuan | the problem is that scim -d failed to start | 13:40 |
| Loevborg | yao_ziyuan: any hints on how to do this easily in virtualbox (host: gutsy)? | 13:40 |
| yao_ziyuan | Loevborg: i use a different vm manager | 13:40 |
| Loevborg | yao_ziyuan: scim doesn't seem like an essential part | 13:41 |
| yao_ziyuan | Loevborg: not talking to you | 13:41 |
| Loevborg | yao_ziyuan: for europeans I mean | 13:41 |
| yao_ziyuan | but if i exit skim and then scim can start | 13:41 |
| Loevborg | ah okay, sorry | 13:41 |
| yao_ziyuan | found the problem: | 13:49 |
| yao_ziyuan | by adding language Chinese, the system does not install skim-scim-pinyin | 13:49 |
| yao_ziyuan | but it still isn't everything | 13:57 |
| muszek | hi | 14:35 |
| muszek | I'm on gutsy: gksu update-manager -d # it doesn't show hardy as a possible upgrade | 14:36 |
| muszek | sudo update-manager -d # it shows hardy... | 14:36 |
| muszek | any idea why? | 14:37 |
| bardyr | hmm, gksu and sudo should be the same thing :/ | 14:37 |
| bardyr | muszek, anyways now is a bad time to upgrade, at least for ubuntu | 14:38 |
| muszek | bardyr: why? | 14:39 |
| bardyr | muszek, gvfs will eat your files and do nasty thing to you | 14:39 |
| muszek | I'm kinda sick of a ipw3945 driver bug that freezes my laptop every day or two (hard reboot required) | 14:39 |
| muszek | bardyr: even if I'll refrain from using nautilus? | 14:40 |
| bardyr | muszek, then go for it, just have plenty of backups | 14:40 |
| muszek | bardyr: when do you think it will be safe? | 14:41 |
| bardyr | muszek, when gnome 2.22 is released, or when they get gvfs running stable | 14:42 |
| === DreamThi1f is now known as DreamThief | ||
| muszek | thanks for your answers, mate | 14:45 |
| bardyr | muszek, if you just need to fix the ipw3945 issues you could grab the hardy kernel and stay gutsy for the rest | 14:47 |
| bardyr | and hope it works | 14:47 |
| muszek | bardyr: simply downloading kernel, headers and restricted modules and installing them? | 14:48 |
| bardyr | yep | 14:49 |
| muszek | good idea, thank you | 14:49 |
| h3sp4wn | Is gb.archive.ubuntu.com really slow today or is it the crappy connection I am using. | 14:52 |
| muszek | h3sp4wn: I've moved to UK half a year ago and every broadband I've worked with was unreliable and dropping to ~512kbps when people are at home (weekends, 18-24 weekdays) | 14:56 |
| kristjan_ | still no kde4 iso for hardy? | 15:13 |
| h3sp4wn | muszek: I usually get 500KB/s from home or 1100KB/s from my university (being getting like 30-50KB/s | 15:22 |
| morphir | all of the proposed gtk theme mockups will require the pixmap lib. Does anyone know about the progress about the theme? | 15:37 |
| morphir | http://tuxenclave.wordpress.com/2008/01/15/ubuntu-to-get-visual-refresh-with-hardy-heron/ | 15:37 |
| h3sp4wn | They seem to do a visual refresh every release as far as I can see | 15:39 |
| morphir | h3sp4wn, hmm | 15:40 |
| morphir | as far as I can see, there is nothing too exciting in alpha4 | 15:41 |
| morphir | h3sp4wn, I'm talking from a pure visual point of view | 15:43 |
| h3sp4wn | morphir: I am also they always moved things around | 15:45 |
| === MasterShrek` is now known as MasterShrek | ||
| theunixgeek | I need good ncurses documentation outside the man pages. Any suggestions? | 16:00 |
| h3sp4wn | theunixgeek: Could try the xopen curses docs (ncurses is a superset) | 16:03 |
| theunixgeek | h3sp4wn: may I have a link please? | 16:04 |
| theunixgeek | :) | 16:04 |
| h3sp4wn | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/cursesix.html (maybe you think its just as bad but the docs are accurate and complete which is what I am bothered about) | 16:05 |
| theunixgeek | h3sp4wn: thanks. I was searching for something more tutorial-like, though | 16:06 |
| h3sp4wn | The first 3 sections are tutorial like (to me anyway) | 16:06 |
| theunixgeek | oh, right. they are. thanks :) | 16:07 |
| PriceChild | I'm doing a little testing in VM preparing for an upgrade to hardy. Could anyone tell me the state of intel 945 if they're running it? I remember things were bad earlier. | 16:21 |
| ankur | I have installed all the required apps to access bluetooth devices but when I try to connect one using gnome-bluetooth I get Nautilus cannot handle obex: locations. | 16:21 |
| yao_ziyuan | i want Hardy to improve its Add Language functionality | 16:22 |
| yao_ziyuan | when adding Chinese/Japanese/Korean, the system should set up input methods | 16:22 |
| yao_ziyuan | just like the system does if the user chooses Chinese/Japanese/Korean before installation of Hardy | 16:22 |
| h3sp4wn | PriceChild: Depends what you need to do | 16:29 |
| h3sp4wn | PriceChild: xrandr 1.2 is still not properly supported by most wm's but single screen should be fine | 16:30 |
| PriceChild | h3sp4wn, i've been told i'm going to need to force full memory allocation for decent performance | 16:30 |
| PriceChild | meh this is a laptop so not too bothered | 16:30 |
| === ankur_ is now known as Ankur_Gupta | ||
| tapas | hi, i am downloading the 64 bit iso of the alpha.. i wonde rhow tough it is to get 32 bit only binaries to work there? | 16:32 |
| tapas | e.g. flashplayer.. mplayer codecs etc.. | 16:32 |
| gilnfld | i did an upgrade to alpha4 yesterday. I am having some problems with my ATI drivers. can someone help me with fglrx setup | 16:33 |
| h3sp4wn | tapas: Its very easy just use the binary firefox form mozilla.org put it into /opt | 16:35 |
| h3sp4wn | (more reliable than nspluginwrapper | 16:35 |
| h3sp4wn | (There is enough of the 32bit stuff to put a 32bit java in /opt as well if you get ia32-libs / ia32-libs-gtk | 16:36 |
| tapas | h3sp4wn: 32 bit binary? | 16:36 |
| tapas | ok | 16:36 |
| tapas | and mplayer/kaffeine/gstreamer? | 16:36 |
| LinAsH | gilnfld, did you try the free ati driver? it's quite good nowadays. | 16:38 |
| gilnfld | LinAsH: i cant get free driver to support xgl/ | 16:39 |
| LinAsH | gilnfld, why use xgl when you can use AIGLX? | 16:41 |
| gilnfld | LinAsH: how do i do that? | 16:42 |
| LinAsH | gilnfld, what's your ATI card? | 16:42 |
| gilnfld | LinAsH: X300 | 16:44 |
| LinAsH | gilnfld, that's my /etc/xorg.conf : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54625/ backup yours and try | 16:45 |
| gilnfld | ok thanks | 16:46 |
| gilnfld | looking at it now | 16:46 |
| mnemonic_ | Does the Firefox 3 beta work for anyone with Pulseaudio on Hardy? | 17:14 |
| JanC | h3sp4wn: 32-bit browser & plugins doesn't work with 64-bit pulseaudio... | 17:24 |
| JanC | mnemonic_: Firefox 3 doesn't use pulseaudio AFAIK ? | 17:25 |
| zoke | firefox 3 has no audio output | 17:25 |
| zoke | the plugins do | 17:25 |
| JanC | and those should work with firefox 3 (if installed for FF3) | 17:26 |
| JanC | except for flash which is 32-bit, and there is no 32-bit pulseaudio library AFAIK | 17:26 |
| JanC | (I should try that again some day though) | 17:27 |
| mnemonic_ | I have a complete 32-bit machine no 64-bit stuff. | 17:27 |
| mnemonic_ | Firefox 2 works like a charm if I hook Pulseaudio to ALSA. | 17:27 |
| JanC | do you have any audio plugins installed in FF3 ? | 17:28 |
| mnemonic_ | Firefox 3 doesn't start without any error message. I see a little CPU load but nothing happens. | 17:28 |
| mnemonic_ | JanC, yes, mplayer (but that works as standalone). | 17:28 |
| mnemonic_ | Shall I try without? | 17:28 |
| JanC | mplayer-plugin needs to be configured to use pulseaudio maybe? | 17:29 |
| mnemonic_ | JanC, I'll check. (may be absent for a couple of minutes) | 17:29 |
| JanC | and make sure it's installed (see about:plugins ) | 17:29 |
| === never|mobi is now known as neversfelde|mobi | ||
| mnemonic_ | Even without any plugins the Firefox 3 beta won't start for me while pulseaudio is running. | 17:54 |
| crimsun | mnemonic_: erm | 18:03 |
| crimsun | mnemonic_: are you using the repo versions of flashplugin-nonfree /and/ libflashsupport? | 18:04 |
| mnemonic_ | crimsun, ah yes I do. | 18:05 |
| crimsun | mnemonic_: are you stating that firefox-3.0 from the repo does not start at all with pulseaudio exclusively opening hw:0? | 18:10 |
| crimsun | I have a really difficult time believing that firefox-3.0 cares about alsa period. | 18:11 |
| mnemonic_ | crimsun, it seems to me. I'll check with pulseaudio disabled one more time. It could be that some updates (I have a partial gutsy/hardy install) caused this. | 18:12 |
| mnemonic_ | crimsun, without pulseaudio, ff3b starts just fine. | 18:17 |
| crimsun | mnemonic_: to be honest, I'm not particularly interested in cross-grades, because they're neither supported nor supportable. | 18:17 |
| crimsun | mnemonic_: if you can reproduce the symptom using an Alpha 4 desktop CD, that's something different altogether. | 18:18 |
| crimsun | mnemonic_: partial cross-grades and dist-upgrades are /incredibly/ difficult to troubleshoot, because there are far too many variables, e.g., toolchain skew, silent ABI change, etc. | 18:19 |
| mnemonic_ | crimsun, yup. Maybe I'll try a live cd later. | 18:19 |
| crimsun | mnemonic_: in this case (in the spirit of DIY), mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.bak && pkill firefox-bin ; ps -C pulseaudio ; firefox-3.0& | 18:21 |
| === jacobmp92 is now known as jacob | ||
| WorkingOnWise | Is ked4 stuck in a dependancy hell? I try to install it and am told that kdebase-runtime is needed but not installable. I try to select kdebase-runtime and am told that kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is needed but wont be installed. I try to install kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 and am told that kdebase-runtime!! | 18:42 |
| WorkingOnWise | kde4, not ked4....hehe | 18:43 |
| Assid | heya | 18:56 |
| Assid | is something wrong with alpha4? | 18:56 |
| Assid | damn thing drains my laptop battery faster | 18:57 |
| zoke | Assid, do you have an intel processor ? | 18:58 |
| zoke | becase powertop can help you determine what is going on | 18:58 |
| zoke | http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/ | 18:58 |
| Assid | yes | 18:59 |
| zoke | my guess is one program is just draining your power, figure out what it is and then bug report it | 18:59 |
| Assid | nah.. im using the same applications i did all this time | 19:06 |
| Assid | just that i updated to alpha4 and wham.. its lower | 19:06 |
| Assid | also emerald crashes more often | 19:08 |
| Assid | and if you resume after suspend.. it crashes compiz | 19:08 |
| zoke | Assid, if it is a regression then file a bug for sure. | 19:09 |
| JanC | Assid: seriously, like zoke said, powertop is really useful to find which programme causes your problem | 19:48 |
| Assid | libata | 19:48 |
| dejv_ntb | regarding suspend | 19:49 |
| dejv_ntb | does stock suspend work for you? | 19:49 |
| Assid | stock suspend? | 19:49 |
| dejv_ntb | the one that ships with ubuntu by default | 19:49 |
| dejv_ntb | swsusp I guess | 19:49 |
| Assid | ummm.. im using the one that comes with ubuntu | 19:49 |
| Assid | i dont think i installed anything in particular for suspend | 19:50 |
| JanC | libata might wake-up the kernel "too often" because some application is polling something.. | 19:50 |
| * dejv_ntb 's laptop is somewhat enchanted since Feistys final | 19:50 | |
| JanC | try to find which application causes this | 19:50 |
| Assid | trying | 19:51 |
| dejv_ntb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/123002 | 19:51 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 123002 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Broken suspend on 2.6.20-16.29" [High,Confirmed] | 19:51 |
| dejv_ntb | wasn't repaired neither in feisty, nor in gutsy, nor in hardy | 19:52 |
| coz_ | hey guys just upgraded to hardy and there is no nautilus "Nautilus depneds on libeel2-2(>=2.21.90) but 2.20.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 19:52 |
| dejv_ntb | while uswsusp works fine | 19:52 |
| Assid | http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1vf7.png | 19:52 |
| Assid | weird.. my suspend works.. but i think the system crashed shortly after | 19:53 |
| bardyr | dammm | 19:56 |
| Assid | ? | 19:57 |
| dejv_ntb | uswsusp works fine for me | 19:57 |
| Assid | whats uswsusp ? | 19:57 |
| Assid | im not using that.. i dont thinkso | 19:57 |
| Assid | im using the system's suspend | 19:57 |
| dejv_ntb | I only had to change /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-power-hibernate-linux to use s2disk instead of the stock mess | 19:58 |
| dejv_ntb | and no problems while suspending or hibernating occured | 19:58 |
| dejv_ntb | s2ram, s2disk, s2both | 19:59 |
| Assid | my compiz goes nutty | 19:59 |
| Assid | why cant we have a gui to manage the hibernate settings? | 19:59 |
| tapas | hmm, man pages look a bit weird here in terminal on x86_64 | 19:59 |
| dejv_ntb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uswsusp | 20:00 |
| Assid | im not using uswsusp | 20:01 |
| Assid | am using the default one | 20:01 |
| Assid | press the power button.. and then suspend | 20:01 |
| dejv_ntb | I'm invoking it the same way | 20:03 |
| dejv_ntb | g-p-m then asks hal to hibernate | 20:03 |
| dejv_ntb | and hal runs /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-power-hibernate-linux | 20:03 |
| dejv_ntb | I replaced this file with simple: | 20:04 |
| dejv_ntb | #!/bin/sh | 20:04 |
| dejv_ntb | s2disk | 20:04 |
| Assid | the entire thing? | 20:08 |
| dejv_ntb | yep | 20:08 |
| Assid | i think it works here | 20:09 |
| dejv_ntb | I keep a backup | 20:09 |
| dejv_ntb | just in case somebody could help me debug it | 20:09 |
| Assid | weird | 20:09 |
| Assid | okay quick question.. my wifi keeps getting cut | 20:10 |
| Assid | and connecting to it at times is a pain | 20:10 |
| Assid | works fine for my bros mac | 20:10 |
| Assid | anywasy.. brb.. lemme try suspend | 20:10 |
| Assid | okay suspend or hibernate? | 20:10 |
| JanC | wifi ==> check if you don't have neighbours using an overlapping channel... | 20:11 |
| Assid | lemme try hibernate | 20:11 |
| dejv_ntb | hibernate can AFAIK use all three methods | 20:12 |
| dejv_ntb | swsusp, uswsusp, suspend2 | 20:12 |
| dejv_ntb | though it was developed for suspend2 primarily | 20:12 |
| * dejv_ntb never used it | 20:13 | |
| Assid | okay | 20:16 |
| Assid | i recovered from hibernate fine.. but the problem of compiz dying still happens | 20:17 |
| kekZpriester | re | 20:17 |
| Assid | i wonder if having a s2disk would make any difference | 20:17 |
| Assid | okay who was i speaking to who suggested to use that | 20:17 |
| dejv_ntb | is here somebody who develops/maintains suspend-related stuff? | 20:33 |
| Assid | err pgadmin is old in the hardy packaes | 20:35 |
| Assid | pgadmin 1.8.2 is the current stable | 20:35 |
| === marko-_-_ is now known as marko-_- | ||
| akhenaton | hi; can anybody, please help me? i just installed hardy and couldn't find the restricted drivers manager. thanks | 21:23 |
| akhenaton | i want to install nvidia driver | 21:24 |
| rsk | it's called something else now afaik akhenaton | 21:24 |
| rsk | like Driver manager | 21:25 |
| akhenaton | ..and last time a had kubuntu installed (gutsy) it was simple to do that | 21:25 |
| akhenaton | rsk: i can't locate any "manager" or something like that; i just don't want to break anythig (installing the nvidia binary driver manualy) | 21:26 |
| rsk | fire up synaptic then | 21:27 |
| rsk | and install the driver from there | 21:27 |
| akhenaton | *adept; yup, i did that; there is no nvidia-glx; only nvidia-glx-legacy there | 21:28 |
| akhenaton | (i have a geforce 7600 go; toshiba laptop) | 21:28 |
| akhenaton | rsk: any ideea what to do? please help | 21:29 |
| Assid | wouldnt that use the nvidia-new? | 21:31 |
| akhenaton | Assid: that's what i thought, but there isn't any nvidia-new in hardy's repos | 21:32 |
| Assid | err. im using it! | 21:32 |
| Assid | atleast on my desktop i am | 21:32 |
| Assid | the restricted manager loaded it up for me | 21:32 |
| akhenaton | do you have hardy alpha 4? | 21:32 |
| akhenaton | (like me) | 21:32 |
| Assid | yes | 21:33 |
| Assid | but you still had to run some nvidia-settings or something after that to make use of the driver | 21:33 |
| akhenaton | and what's the "manager"'s name? | 21:33 |
| akhenaton | i can't find anything useful in the default install (start/k menu) | 21:33 |
| akhenaton | "proprietary driversfor devices (restricted)" is checked | 21:34 |
| akhenaton | multiverse enabled too | 21:35 |
| akhenaton | i dunno what to do next :| | 21:35 |
| Assid | system > administration > driver setup | 21:35 |
| akhenaton | i managed to install nvidia drivers in gutsy, but in hardy seems not to be present in the repos | 21:36 |
| Assid | weird works here | 21:37 |
| RAOF | akhenaton: They certainly are. You're looking for "nvidia-glx-new", yes? | 21:37 |
| akhenaton | Assid: "administration"? can you, please, elaborate a little; i don't understand | 21:37 |
| Assid | i got my softmodem on lappy requiring it.. and nvidia requiring it there | 21:37 |
| akhenaton | RAOF: yes | 21:37 |
| akhenaton | i do search just "nvidia" in adept to see all the packages; nvidia-glx-legacy is the only one present | 21:38 |
| akhenaton | (only "glx" one) | 21:38 |
| Assid | akhenaton: run jockey-gtk | 21:41 |
| akhenaton | Assid: my installi is quite fresh; hardy alpha 4, all restricted and multiverse, mediubuntu (and so on) are enabled :| | 21:41 |
| Assid | thats on gnome atleast | 21:41 |
| Assid | akhenaton: afaik .. it should be installed out of the box | 21:41 |
| akhenaton | Assid: maybe; in gutsy was (out of the box); i understand that hardy is not final/stable yet, but i decided to try it | 21:42 |
| Assid | i said this earlier already.. im on hardy and it came here | 21:42 |
| Assid | on 2 machines | 21:43 |
| ethana3 | that visual refresh is really good news | 21:44 |
| ethana3 | i like those themes.. it would be nice to not have to go out and find them to use them | 21:44 |
| akhenaton | Assid: then.. can you, please, tell me what's the "manager"'s name? (or how to launch the restricted driver installer) | 21:44 |
| Assid | [03:11:12] <Assid> akhenaton: run jockey-gtk | 21:44 |
| Assid | [03:11:18] <Assid> thats on gnome atleast | 21:44 |
| Assid | i said this earlier | 21:45 |
| akhenaton | Assid: are you sure? i have kde here :| | 21:45 |
| PriceChild | loving policykit | 21:45 |
| Assid | akhenaton: look in some option in the menus' it should be there.. | 21:45 |
| Assid | else try running that | 21:46 |
| Assid | i know its there | 21:47 |
| akhenaton | Assid: i allready looked in the menus (everywhere); no option, no nothing; it seems jockey thingie is my last hope | 21:47 |
| Assid | try sudo jockey-gtk actually | 21:47 |
| Assid | it mgiht need sudo | 21:47 |
| akhenaton | Assid: thanks; i'll try that | 21:48 |
| ethana3 | ooh, authentication system updates | 21:48 |
| ethana3 | do we have a GUI for choosing between signature, password, facial recognition, and thumbprint yet? | 21:48 |
| akhenaton | Assid: but jockey drags a lot of deps with it | 21:48 |
| akhenaton | (gnome deps) | 21:49 |
| Assid | thats cause your using kde.. i dont have a kde one arond me.. nearest kde installation would be my sisters laptop.. and thats offlimits atm cause the lights are off.. and i dont know where her lappy is | 21:49 |
| akhenaton | Assid: maybe kubuntu team haven't prepared a "jockey" replacement for kde, yet :| | 21:51 |
| Assid | nah.. i know the device manager is there.. i used it for my sisters lappy | 21:52 |
| Assid | and ive used it on gutsy as well | 21:52 |
| akhenaton | on gutsy worked for me too | 21:52 |
| Assid | so its gotta be there on this as well | 21:52 |
| Assid | ask around.. there must be someone here who might know | 21:53 |
| Assid | sorry.. | 21:53 |
| Assid | alrite . im off.. its almost 3.30 am | 21:53 |
| Assid | night folks | 21:53 |
| akhenaton | Assid: good night | 21:53 |
| akhenaton | anybody with kubuntu hardy alpha 4 (2.6.24-5 linux kernel) has sucesfully installed the nvidia restricted (3d/glx) drivers? can anybody help me? | 21:58 |
| RyanPrior | My USB subsystem keeps dying. Is there some way I can figure out why, and how to prevent it? I am trying to copy a large file to my USB hard drive and my USB keeps dying and killing the operation halfway through. | 21:58 |
| bardyr | RyanPrior, are you using nautilus_ | 22:14 |
| DanaG | To me, Jockey sounds like something about a horse. | 22:14 |
| DanaG | What's with the name? | 22:14 |
| DanaG | (I mean, I know a jockey is a horse racer, but what does that have to do with restricted drivers?) | 22:15 |
| crimsun | think "driver". | 22:17 |
| akhenaton | i think no driver (module) is out (2.6.24-5 kernel) for jockey (to ride on it) | 22:36 |
| Andre_Gondim | I am using Hardy Alpha 4, and I have one CMI 8738 sound card, but does not have sound, when I was with Gutsy, I change my sound card and works, is there some way to change de sound card without reboot pc? | 22:36 |
| akhenaton | at least i have no more problems with intel hda (sound) | 22:36 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: no sound with PulseAudio or no sound with ALSA period? | 22:37 |
| crimsun | those are two distinct symptoms, BTW. | 22:37 |
| akhenaton | Andre_Gondim: rmmod and modprobe? | 22:37 |
| crimsun | modprobe -r, BTW. | 22:38 |
| DanaG | That reminds me.... I wish somebody would make a Cardbus or Expresscard C-Media Oxygen-based card. | 22:38 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, yes, there is the both, if i change, how can i do to do this without reboot pc? | 22:38 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: what are you changing? | 22:38 |
| Andre_Gondim | crd1b, my sound card, from alsa do pulseaudio, like you said, i have this option | 22:39 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: if it's a usb audio device, sure. | 22:40 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: if it's an isa or pci audio device, no. | 22:40 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, it's a pci | 22:40 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: it's unclear whether you intend to change a /setting/ or /physical cards/. | 22:41 |
| Andre_Gondim | crd1b, setting | 22:41 |
| Andre_Gondim | crd1b, sorry | 22:41 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, setting | 22:41 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: which setting? | 22:41 |
| crimsun | a parameter to insmod? | 22:41 |
| crimsun | unloading's fairly straightforward: sudo /sbin/alsa force-unload | 22:43 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, so, when I was using gutsy, and my gutsy started without sound, I changed the option in volume control | 22:44 |
| crimsun | reloading is simple, too: sudo modprobe snd_pcm && sudo modprobe snd-cmipci whateverparam=whatevervalue | 22:44 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: meaning you changed which mixer element is controlled, or...? | 22:45 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, yeah, i changed wich mixer element and works, in gutsy, but in hardy doen't works | 22:45 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it. | 22:46 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: then tell me the URL it generates. | 22:47 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, ok, wait a few | 22:47 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.changelog | 22:49 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: err, no. The pastebin URL. | 22:51 |
| === Amaranth__ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, sorry, i don't understaian, what i need to do? | 22:54 |
| PriceChild | I'm really liking firefox 3, when downloading files, its so quicker to get its act together | 22:54 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: you need to execute the script from a prompt. | 22:54 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, i did | 22:55 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: you executed "bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh" (presuming you saved the script to your Desktop)? | 22:55 |
| Andre_Gondim | http://pastebin.ca/890666 | 22:56 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/890666 | 22:56 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: do you want to use your onboard or the cmi? | 22:56 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, cmi | 22:57 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: it is the default card. | 22:57 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: is this a clean install of Alpha 4? | 22:57 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, yes, I installed yesterday | 22:58 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: mute & zero all the IEC958 controls (presuming you're not using IEC958). | 22:59 |
| akhenaton | crimsun: is it normal not to have a master volume? i only got pcm volume :| | 22:59 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: and -- is "pasuspender -- aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav" audible? | 22:59 |
| crimsun | akhenaton: on HDA codecs? Yes. | 23:00 |
| crimsun | akhenaton: messy but certainly "normal". | 23:00 |
| akhenaton | crimsun: yes, it's a hda codec (realtek alc861) | 23:00 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, i do not understain, what I need to do? | 23:00 |
| akhenaton | crimsun: thanks; i thought it's another odd thing on my sound card | 23:01 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: use alsamixer to mute those controls. Then run the pasuspender command (all of it between the double quotes) | 23:01 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: I need to go; I have a train to catch. | 23:01 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, good luck | 23:01 |
| akhenaton | ciao, crimsun | 23:02 |
| crimsun | Andre_Gondim: the point of the pasuspender test is to see if you can get any audible output via ALSA direct | 23:02 |
| akhenaton | and thanks again, crimsun | 23:02 |
| Andre_Gondim | crimsun, is pasuspender a command? | 23:02 |
| bernier | Hi, is compiz working in alpha 4? | 23:05 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, how well does the C-Media Oxygen work in Linux? | 23:07 |
| Dr_willis | bernier, it seems to be working here. :) | 23:08 |
| bernier | NICE | 23:08 |
| bernier | <Dr_willis> do I need to compile fglrx or it's in the repo? | 23:09 |
| Dr_willis | I dont use fglrx. i got an nvidia card. | 23:10 |
| Dr_willis | I imagine its in the repos. | 23:10 |
| underwatercow | Is anyone else having trouble running KDE apps like Kate? | 23:24 |
| underwatercow | yes? no? anyone? | 23:27 |
| Dr_willis | not tried. :) | 23:28 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: would you mind trying in hardy? lol | 23:28 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: It's rather annoying | 23:29 |
| Dr_willis | not on a hardy machine right now. so i cant. | 23:29 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: sadness... | 23:29 |
| underwatercow | Dr_willis: You have failed me for the last time... | 23:29 |
| Lynet | Anyone else having trouble with Hardy in Vmware? | 23:30 |
| underwatercow | I'm having trouble with hardy NOT in vmware | 23:30 |
| underwatercow | ;-D | 23:30 |
| Lynet | :-D | 23:30 |
| bardyr | i dont have any problems with hardy atm, but im afraid of opening nautilus | 23:30 |
| underwatercow | nautilus works fine in general | 23:31 |
| bardyr | underwatercow, as long as you dont trash anything | 23:31 |
| underwatercow | bardyr: no problems for me there either | 23:31 |
| underwatercow | bardyr: bardyr: Can you run KDE apps with no errors? | 23:31 |
| bardyr | underwatercow, trash your wine folder and empty your trash | 23:31 |
| underwatercow | bardyr: I would prefer to keep my wine folder, thanks | 23:32 |
| underwatercow | :-D | 23:32 |
| bardyr | then copy it and trash the copy :) | 23:32 |
| underwatercow | bardyr: can't I delete something else? | 23:32 |
| bardyr | it will begin to delete all your files | 23:32 |
| underwatercow | I have deleted things | 23:32 |
| underwatercow | and emptied the trash | 23:32 |
| underwatercow | and had no problems | 23:32 |
| underwatercow | it freaks if I try to OPEN the trash, but that's no biggie | 23:33 |
| bardyr | underwatercow, the problem is that trash follows symbolic links | 23:34 |
| underwatercow | bardyr: ahaha... well good thing I don't have very many symlinks, nor do I generally delete them | 23:34 |
| underwatercow | bardyr: So... can you run KDE apps like Kate ok? | 23:35 |
| bardyr | i have not heard about any KDE issues, but then again i dont use KDE | 23:36 |
| Lynet | Anyone knwo why the clock is messed up (runs way too fast, like 10-100* too fast) when running as a vmware guest? | 23:37 |
| mohbana__ | hi guys where is the removal log for synaptic kept? | 23:45 |
| ethana3 | can I tell xorg to completely reconfigure itself to the safe graphics settings it had when i installed? | 23:48 |
| bardyr | ethana3, rename xorg.conf | 23:49 |
| bardyr | and run X with --configure | 23:49 |
| ethana3 | can i just remove xorg.conf? | 23:51 |
| ethana3 | i didn't do anything worthwile that worked.. | 23:51 |
| ethana3 | i'm going to do that.. | 23:51 |
| mohbana__ | hi can anyone help please | 23:52 |
| tapas | hi, where does trackerd store its index files? | 23:52 |
| ethana3 | bardyr: how do i run x with --configure when its already running/ | 23:54 |
| bardyr | ethana3, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop | 23:54 |
| RAOF | tapas: ~/.cache/tracker, IIRC | 23:54 |
| ethana3 | ok | 23:54 |
| bardyr | ethana3, or just restart | 23:54 |
| ethana3 | will it do --configure simply because of the absence of xorg.conf? | 23:54 |
| bardyr | no, do the stop cmd and type sudo X -configure | 23:55 |
| ethana3 | oh, ok | 23:55 |
| RAOF | bardyr: What does -configure do that just not having an xorg.conf doesn't? | 23:55 |
| bardyr | ethana3, you dont need a xorg.conf but i think the restricted-drivers-manager will break without one | 23:55 |
| bardyr | RAOF, -configure writes and xorg | 23:56 |
| bardyr | xorg.conf | 23:56 |
| RAOF | Ah, right. | 23:56 |
| RAOF | Any reason not to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? | 23:56 |
| bardyr | X.org is better | 23:56 |
| bardyr | but they do the same job | 23:57 |
| * DanaG just uses manual configgeration (yes, misspelled on purpose). | 23:58 | |
| ethana3 | ok, it put me back on radeon | 23:59 |
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