[00:01] May I just leave folding running instead of a bash loop? [00:01] Yup, still drops out. [00:01] (tested with a DVD-Audio file played to plug:surround51:1 on my Audigy; I'll try again with something less high bitrate. [00:02] playing login wav to hw:0 (hda-intel) and closing lid gives this: [00:02] underrun!!! (at least 499.975 ms long) [00:02] that's fine, it eliminates what I need it to. [00:04] How can I check if the ndiswrapper module is loaded? [00:05] Continuing with the tradition, now not even ndiswrapper can recognize the card when I insert it. [00:05] Vadi: lsmod | grep ndiswrapper [00:06] Note that the dropout does not happen _every_ time I close the lid. [00:06] SeveredCross: Thanks. This is so not good then, because it is loaded. Ndiswrapper however reports no card with the same driver.. ack. [00:07] <__> [00:07] Which card? [00:08] Belkin F5D7010, v7. Realtek 8185 chipset. [00:08] DanaG: yeah, I'm going a bisect [00:08] Aha. [00:10] Bisect? [00:10] realdreck [00:10] SeveredCross: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54557/ [00:10] Oh! Actually I forgot a step. Momento [00:12] SeveredCross: I got it. Had to associate the driver with the card ID. Tricky things... [00:12] Aha. [00:12] Ndiswrapper can be a bitch. [00:12] * SeveredCross is glad he does not need it. [00:13] I shouldn't need it either, the vendor has linux drivers. But I can't compile them, and nobody cares to include them. [00:14] Um, one more question. Somehow both of my grub entries are pointing to the same hardy, and I can't boot into gutsy at all. Think you can help me out? === Dana1 is now known as DanaG [00:22] just installed Hardy 4 [00:23] experience: [00:23] run Hardy 4 Live CD as a virtual machine. install it to the virtual machine's hard disk. chose Chinese as installation language [00:24] the installed Hardy 4 can let me input chinese after pressing Ctrl+Space [00:24] chinese displaying is perfect [00:24] but the login screen has broken chinese characters, displayed as small dots [00:25] switched first system language to English. restarted. the login screen is still broken chinese characters. seems to be a problem with kdm. [00:26] an obvious bug is i can't change screen resolution in System Settings > Monitor & Display [00:26] the error message is: [00:26] The module 显示器与监视器 could not be loaded. [00:26] The diagnostics is: [00:27] Library files for "libpython25.so" not found in paths. [00:27] I haven't tried hardy yet, but I read about gnome's totem in 2.21.90 having mythtv support, acting as a frontend? [00:28] i think setting the installation language to chinese is a cause [00:28] does hardy's current version of totem have that? [00:29] can you guys change screen resolution in Hardy Alpha 4? [00:29] maybe it's because i set language to Chinese before installation [00:33] but zero configuration of chinese fonts and input methods is a big step forward! [00:34] hey everyone. Does anyone else have a touchpad with no extra features? [00:36] i've added a server layout section to xorg.conf, to no effect [00:36] selecting 'chinese' before installation makes many things hard to change [00:38] such as the font is a chinese font even if you change system language to english [00:38] such as the login screen always has some broken chinese characters even if you change system language to english [00:43] mcquaid: Hardy has gnome 2.21.90, so it should. [00:57] i see hope in kubuntu [00:57] when will be "alpha 5" out? [00:58] when its done. :) heh heh... [00:58] s/be.../...b [01:11] everything in System Settings that requires Administrative Mode doesn't work [01:11] i'm downloading all Python packages [01:11] esp. python-dev, python-dbg [01:11] 'cause the error message is that libpython.x.x.x.so is missing [01:12] "library files for ... is missing" [01:14] googled this msg. [01:14] found some clues === emgent is now known as dldc === dldc is now known as emgent === Frogzoo_ is now known as Frogzoo [01:29] i logged out in the live cd [01:29] what username/password should i log in with? [01:32] hey all, I installed NetworkManager 0.7 the other day, now I'm wondering how to get a 0.7 compatible version of the pptp vpn plugin [01:40] Argh. [01:40] Something made my computer think some key was stuck. [01:40] I think it was either ctrl-c or enter. [01:41] One time I had that happen to the 'end' key. [01:41] And the keys themselves aren't stuck; it's just Xorg being b0rked. [01:43] DAMNIT, now it happened to my 'c' key. [01:51] * Dr_willis is still looking for the 'any key' [01:58] * donspaulding is still looking for waldo [02:04] is there a known bug with libpython and hardy? [02:04] * huhlig just tossed on alpha 4 and kde claims that no usable libpython can be found [02:04] i have heard others mentioning some issues with python lately. [02:04] ok [02:04] it makes the kde control panel unuseable [02:04] but im updating now. :) so not experienced it personally [02:04] ahh [02:05] also, is kde4 compatible yet? [02:05] 2 min remaining. :) [02:05] I wouldent even worry about kde4 yet. [02:05] there seem to be several core libs that are unavailable [02:05] oh? [02:05] why so [02:05] i found kde4 a bit unuseable. [02:05] if you want to play with kde4. check out the livecd's :) [02:06] 1 min to go on the upgrade. [02:06] ya know. it would of been faster to do a clean reinstall. :) [02:07] heh [02:07] Odd, I can't seem to get pulseaudio tunnel working. [02:07] I had a 25 gig partition waiting to reinstall linux on [02:07] * huhlig used to be a DD but has been out of it for too long [02:07] * huhlig figured he would hop back in [02:07] I tend to upgrade to the release a few weeks/month befor its out.. then do a clean install once it offiially gets here. heh. [02:07] I have an old laptop set to be discoverable (without authentication required), and I can make that see my "new" laptop, but I can't see in the other direction. [02:10] i wonder if X will get my 2 monitors in the proper order now. :) Silly GDM appears on one tothe right side by default. but the console/grub/bios appears on the one in the Middle. [02:12] Weird - somthing just triggered my monitors to go black during the upgrade. - Thought the pc was reb ooting.. But then it came back [02:14] Well time to reboot! Be backin a few... I hope. :P [02:14] hey, what is the command line util for configuring x [02:14] * huhlig has a 1900x1200 monitor and would like to use more then 800x600 [02:15] xrandr --help [02:16] hmm [02:17] How can I transfer my printer settings from gutsy to hardy? Where are they saved? [02:18] Any time I tried anything other than the raw xrandr (any of the gui stuff it never worked) [02:25] can xrandr do probe? [02:27] It can do everything - but afaik the driver has to support xrandr 1.2 for the more useful stuff [02:28] ok [02:28] well should be the nv or nvidia driver [02:29] which is currently working better right now [02:29] nv or the nvidia blob [02:32] Not sure won't have a box with nvidia and ubuntu until next week [02:32] But on Solaris you can configure that stuff using nvidia-settings [02:33] hmm [02:33] and / or nvidia-xconfig (the edid could be wrong etc) have a look at nvnews [02:33] (nvnews.net) [02:33] Where are my printer settings saved on Ubuntu? [02:38] Vad1: /etc/cups ? [02:47] Oh hey, the "duplicate" thingy of PulseAudio even works over network. It's kind of creepy. [02:47] I have the old laptop sitting on the ground in the corner, and I'm playing music to it AND my onboard audio AND my speakers -- and they're all keeping amazingly good time. [02:49] pulseaudio: pulsecore/memblock.c:454: pa_memblock_ref: Assertion `pa_atomic_load(&(b)->_ref) > 0' failed. [02:49] dangit. [03:01] DanaG : Yeah, it is awesome [03:01] DanaG: Although I have to figure out how to make it work with Firestarter [03:02] I'm familar with firestarter [03:02] what do you need to work with it? [03:03] mikedep334: oh, I guess I just I have to figure out what ports that PulseAudio uses for the Multicast stuff [03:03] pulseaudio: pulsecore/resampler.c:1334: trivial_resample: Assertion `o_index * fz < pa_memblock_get_length(output->memblock)' failed. [03:03] Aborted [03:04] I did find a preload rule on the internet which allows the PA daemon to detect other PA daemons on the network [03:04] but it still blocks the multicast stuff [03:04] So more of a PA issue than Firestarter I think [03:06] PulseAudio uses random ports, by default. [03:06] If you want a specific port, you have to use manual loading. [03:06] I mean, not just the checkbox. [03:11] ah [03:11] I'm pretty sure it is a multicasting ip issue - like I said, I didn't really look into it [03:15] pulseaudio: modules/module-combine.c:584: sink_process_msg: Assertion `!op->outq_rtpoll_item' failed. [03:15] Aborted [03:15] argh. [03:15] How can I play my dvd-audio to my Audigy through PulseAudio, without it resampling to 44100Hz? [03:16] Dunno why you would want to sample it to that ever if it runs native at 48000 [03:17] Audigy is 48 KHz? [03:17] Actually, it's Audigy 2. [03:17] Sorry, forgot that. [03:17] The pci ones are certainly [03:18] Must sleep PC now. [03:18] Dinner time. [03:18] Will be back later. [03:20] How do you even know its resampling? [03:21] I got an audigy2zs wth the fancy panel and more gizmos/bells/whistles then i know what to do with. :) [03:21] The pci ones have it specifically stated that they badly resample everything [03:22] (in hardware) but as far as I can see pulse should just be able to resample it at 48000 (alot better) [03:23] From AlsaProject [03:23] Jump to: navigation, search [03:23] Hardware has only strict 48kHz output (resamples samples to 48kHz). [03:23] (sorry) [03:23] just ment to paste the last line [03:26] Has anyone here recently booted a desktop iso from usb (Alot of the docs is garbage( [03:30] i have run out of ideas [03:30] how to change screen resolution in Hardy Alpha 4 anyway? [03:31] not possible without hacking xorg.conf for me [03:31] really sucks :/ [03:32] With radeon I can set everything with xrandr but it has pretty stupid defaults [03:32] I think I may try to install and do my dual seat thing now [03:32] rsk: problem is my hacked xorg.conf doesn't work :) [03:32] :> [03:33] so hardy alpha 4 will eat files on one's hard drive, right? [03:33] so I need to do a full backup.. [03:33] does this include windows? [03:34] most likely not [03:36] rsk: how do i specify "the current mode" in xorg.conf? [03:36] hub.ns.ca.idlezone.net [03:37] oops [03:37] ignore thqat [03:37] that* [03:39] compwiz18: Hm.. I copied my /etc/cups from gutsy to hardy, but it doesn't seem to have set it up the same way [03:45] i found a way [03:45] copy a good xorg.conf [03:48] Thats not totally fool proof though as alot has changed i.e mergedfb for a start is now removed [03:51] i have taken xorg.conf files from live cd's to use in emgerancies. :) [03:54] alright, I'm trying to evacuate my frankenstein install... [03:54] where only KDE4 apps work [03:54] and only in KDE3 [03:55] ...i have the both hard drives connected via IDE [03:55] but only one is likely in my fstab [03:55] the other i hotplugged; didn't show up anywhere... [03:55] You Hotplugged in an IDE drive? [03:55] how do i copy the /home directory of my .. [03:55] yes i did... [03:56] data first, then power [03:56] I dont think that works :) id be scared to even try [03:56] ah [03:56] should i reboot then? [03:56] Im not even sure hotplugging of sata is 'working' yet. [03:56] Yes - i would reboot. [03:56] Hope you dident trash the hd. [03:56] and then will it show up in /media or something? [03:56] well [03:56] no [03:56] You can mount it manually if it dosent. [03:56] oh joy [03:56] well, here goes [03:57] be back soon [04:01] Dr_willis: Its definately working with ahci [04:01] (the sata hotplug) [04:01] ok, it sees it [04:02] now i just have to unlock it [04:02] oh wait, i can't do that ;) [04:02] restarting dolphin as root [04:02] oh no [04:03] it won't let me because it can't resolve the host desktop [04:03] gahh [04:03] o no, o no, o no, O YEA! [04:03] sorry, family guy [04:03] Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keydolphin: cannot connect to X server :0 [04:03] don't run graphical stuff as root [04:03] ok... [04:04] this is like trying to fly the millenium falcon out of the death star [04:04] after setting off its main reactor [04:04] except instead of life at stake, it's just all my files [04:04] so this hard drive i plugged in; i want to copy my /home to it [04:04] and no gnome apps work [04:05] and sudo can't resolve host desktop [04:05] how do i do this? [04:05] h3sp4wn, thats good to hear its working. :) One of those big-features that never seemed to actually exist. heh. [04:06] well first i have to mount this thing via terminal [04:06] looking for it in /dev [04:07] sudo fdisk -l [04:07] to see where its at. [04:07] k [04:08] ha [04:08] sudo [04:08] yeah, that doesn't work [04:08] i have to use su [04:08] It will be sd? [04:08] sd? [04:08] i don't know... [04:08] ? matching a to z [04:08] maybe [04:09] running fdisk -l [04:09] that's an 'el', right? [04:09] L [04:09] but not cap [04:09] I [04:09] .../that/'s an i [04:10] k, my two hard drives [04:11] /dev/sda and /dev/sdb [04:12] so now i want to mount /dev/sdb1 as /alt [04:12] could someone convert that to bash for me? === bmk789 is now known as bmk789_schlafen [04:15] do i have to go into fstab to create the mount point? [04:15] i said :~$ mount /dev/sdb /alt [04:15] mount: mount point /alt does not exist [04:17] make the directory first? :) [04:17] fstab defines where it mounts to. [04:17] sdb is the whole disk remember [04:18] I think You MIGHT want to be reading a few linux basics/tutorials soon. :) [04:18] well i don't do this particular kind of task often [04:18] sudo mount /dev/DEVICE /media/MOUNTPOUNT [04:18] i mostly muck around in xorg.conf.. [04:18] !mount [04:18] Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in !GNOME under !Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For !Edgy and later, see !fstab and !DiskMounter [04:18] you reccomend putting the mount in media? [04:19] why not. :) [04:19] i was going to mount it as alt [04:19] but it has to be a directory that exists? [04:19] put it whever you want.. but the diretory its going to MUST MUST MUST exist befor you mount it. [04:19] what if it has files in it? [04:19] then i suggest you use a different diretrory. :) [04:19] ok [04:19] sounds good [04:19] files in the dir will be unaccesable untill the mount is unmounted [04:21] root@desktop:/# mount /dev/sdb /altmount: you must specify the filesystem typeroot@desktop:/# mount /dev/sdb1 /alt [04:21] oops [04:21] there's a new line between /alt and mount, but i tried to format the text differently [04:21] fail [04:21] ok, so now /dev/sdb1 is mounted as /alt [04:22] there are no subdirectories; i must have removed them with rm -r [04:22] sudo mkdir /alt/home && sudo cp -r /home/ethan /alt/home [04:23] that should do what i want, right? [04:23] I think you may want to use some other optiuons to cp. to get the .files and so forth [04:23] i cheat and use 'mc' too much [04:23] mc? [04:23] !info mc [04:24] mc (source: mc): midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-8ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 2059 kB, installed size 5944 kB [04:24] shell based file manager. :) a MUST get tool [04:24] well, on our connection [04:24] hmmm [04:25] i'd rather just learn an argument or two.. cp --help [04:25] reding the docs/help/manuals - is good. :) [04:26] mc is still worth learning about. [04:26] it looks like cp -r --copy-contents is what i want.. from the help file for cp [04:28] root@desktop:/alt# cp -r -p --copy-contents /home /alt/home [04:28] it's working now [04:28] 26GB, may take a while... [04:29] so when i move /home back onto my new hardy install, firefox will have all its bookmarks and such, right? [04:30] oh hey, is the bug with colemak and capslock fixed yet? [04:31] that will drive me nuts if i have to work around that... [04:32] Is anyone else having trouble running Kate under gnome? [04:41] My screen res is fixed at 1024x768 right now. I want to put it at something higher, but when i do that the screen goes black and nothing short of a reboot helps (not even a reconfigure xserver-xorg, since there's nothing about resolution in the xorg.conf file) [04:43] lufis: Is it a laptop + external screen ? [04:44] If it is you can just disable the LVDS and it will sort itself out [04:44] h3sp4wn: nope, crt on a desktop [04:45] trying to compile linux-source-2.6.24 in hardy [04:45] make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 [04:45] make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 [04:48] sigh. [04:50] oh.. got it misses ncurses [04:59] my /home has been copied [05:00] is there a reason KDE apps are bringing up errors in GNOME? [05:00] Whats new in 8.04? [05:00] herpes [05:01] Awww damn, that sucks. [05:01] yup [05:01] I guess I'll use gusty, since I was planning on asking if it would break me, and what repo I should use. [05:01] lul [05:01] you're better off [05:01] believe you me [05:02] I wasn't going to ask those questions, but, is it really that buggy? [05:02] jfkdsljio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha4 [05:02] yup [05:02] jfkdsljio: It's a tad buggy... nothing too tragic for me so far... just a few nuisances [05:03] and every update squishes another one [05:03] ^_^ [05:03] Cool, long way till the final, I'll check the wiki. [05:04] ethana3: My mom says she's thinking of voting for Ron Paul... ;-D [05:04] it's just that there's really no reason to use it unless gutsy is truly broken for you (as it is for me) [05:04] Alpha 4 seems a lot more stable to me than prior though [05:05] alpha 1 was fine for me [05:05] Nautilus is still having some issues though, but I don't think they have finished their work with the new FS [05:05] I don't like nautilus, though [05:05] I wish I could use thunar [05:05] why can't you? [05:05] well [05:05] well, this is the first time I've installed from a disc... I tried updating the last few times and it killed everything [05:05] all of gnome's apps launch nautilus by default [05:05] tumbleweed__: ah [05:05] I have to find a way to switch it to thunar [05:06] my desktop is broken [05:06] my icons are gone [05:06] and wallpaper-tray only changes wallpapers on boot now... [05:06] oh [05:06] clicking to change it manually won't work anymore [05:06] try using xfdesktop4 instead [05:06] or compiz [05:06] lol, it's not a big deal [05:06] I don't use the desktop for much anyway [05:06] but I don't know if compiz writes to the root window [05:06] same here [05:07] KDE apps are also not working right [05:07] like Kate [05:07] it's just something that looks pretty [05:07] one problem I have is that the font in QT apps is too small [05:07] and pixellated [05:07] underwatercow: we're going to try to get Ron Paul to win in alaska [05:07] ethana3: lol... go for it [05:07] underwatercow: we've stood on street corners and everything [05:07] oh, and gnome-art has a bug in it [05:07] underwatercow: and alskans are free thinkers ;) [05:07] kewl [05:07] do you know if they will re-merge from debian or whatever? [05:08] I guess the bug is fixed in debian [05:08] i thought they already froze that [05:08] ohh [05:08] but it's a recent fix [05:08] Hmm. I noticed that with gnome-terminal the menus are not being shown. [05:08] my menus work fine [05:08] well the menu items in the menu bar at top is not showing any letters/text. [05:09] Wow looks like a lot is going into this new release. It's really amazing that a new one comes out every 6 months. [05:09] the 'menubar' [05:09] so does anyone know if gnome-art will be fixed from Debian? [05:11] do the devs come in here? [05:11] lol [05:12] they better not be here. :) they need to be off doing dev stuff. :) [05:12] whatever that is.. [05:12] lol [05:12] but I wanna ask about gnome-art! [05:12] I guess I could file it as a bug [05:12] I'm just usually too lazy to do that [05:13] is there a bug report shortcut in gnome? or do I need to go to the site? [05:13] never noticed. Sorry. [05:13] file a bug that there needs to be a easier bug reporting tool? :) [05:14] jfkdsljio: BTW: that's only what they've done or are working on so far I think... more could be added, not really sure when they stop adding things... [05:14] Dr_willis: lol... excellent [05:14] My bug is that my windows install is battling my Ubuntu install for supremacy... [05:15] Hmm. never had issues with windows and linux fighting.. [05:15] at leat not lately [05:15] Linux keeps insisting on using free weapons... like rocks and sticks [05:15] and windows weapons are too complicated to work correctly... and too heavy to lift properly... [05:18] I think your analogy needs work. :) [05:19] lol... eh... it was spur of the moment [05:19] http://webaugur.com/bibliotheca/field_stock/os-airlines.html [05:19] have you seen this? [05:22] Hmm. saw in a new-gnome feature web site artical the improved gnome system monitor tool... but where is it in the menus.. heh heh [05:23] * Dr_willis does a gnome- in the shell and looks [05:27] * jfkdsljio Does a /me command in XChat. [05:29] * Dr_willis thinks this is what /me does [05:29] :) [05:30] well devede - worked and made a dvd video for me. :) [05:30] Thats a first for me under linux. making an actual dvd video - heh. [05:33] did you encrypt it? [05:33] Dr_willis: Are you referring to the system monitor in Administration? [05:34] underwatercow, lets see :) i found one under gnome-system-monitor [05:34] i'm going to give this a shot now.. [05:34] despite that i can't keep caps lock from toggling every time i hit backspace [05:34] a bug has been filed, so I guess i'm just waiting for a fix [05:34] Dr_willis: That's the same one in the Administration menu, lol [05:34] thats it.. Hmm.. I got a dualcore cpu. wanting to get 2 graphs to see if both cpus are being used equally. But cant find a tool that does it. [05:35] Dr_willis: the monitor shows dual CPU usage... [05:35]