[00:00] nixternal: why does your football have so many pauses? [00:01] :o) [00:02] So they can take a regulation time game and insert as many ads as they like into it over 6 hours [00:03] six hours? [00:03] wow. [00:04] What with timeouts and overtimes and stoppages [00:04] It sure feels like it:) [00:06] Like the longest hour in the world is the last 6 minutes of a NBA final [00:12] you know, this superbowl is really crazy [00:12] when it comes to ads [00:13] * ryanakca nods and isn't watching it :) [00:13] what I fail to understand is, that there are people in the Czech Republic ( nobody here plays this game,really ) and call into the studio about why there aren't any ads in our version [00:13] it's 01:13 am by the way. [00:14] the people in a country that never liked this sport actually want to see the ads! [00:15] mhb: why would you want to see the adds? [00:15] I thought the point of the super bowl was ads [00:15] s/adds/ads/ [00:15] I don't even know who is playing in it but I know who is running ads [00:16] * ryanakca finds football a rather pointless sport to watch... while (timeleft != 0) {start; position += 1; stop;} [00:16] ryanakca: I really don't know [00:16] ryanakca: I guess it's the sign of the completely loony society [00:17] ryanakca: when you get something (the sport) without ads (because we're in Europe I guess) and people actually demand the ads [00:18] * ryanakca scratches his head and goes to get a glass of water [00:19] ryanakca: and I guess the sport is pretty straightforward [00:19] ryanakca: it's not like hockey, when everything can change in a second... or so it seemed to me. [00:30] seele: !torrent [00:30] bah [00:30] !torrent [00:30] Torrent clients: Transmission (GTK and terminal-based), Deluge-Torrent, Freeloader, BitStormLite, BitTornado-GUI (GTK), KTorrent (KDE), QTorrent (Qt), Azureus (Java), TorrentFlux (web-based), bittornado, rTorrent, cTorrent, bittorrent, aria2 (terminal-based) - FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html - See also !P2P [00:30] * seele blinks [00:30] seele: sorry about that [00:30] no worries :) [00:30] stupid client [00:31] mhb: yeah :) [00:32] mhb: gotta love hockey though :D [00:32] ryanakca: well, my favourite sport is floorball. [00:32] seele: watching the game [00:32] floorball? [00:32] ryanakca: yes. [00:33] ryanakca: look it up on wiki? [00:33] dasKreech: sortof.. more like watching the commercials [00:33] if the patriots start kicking too much ass i'll lose interest [00:33] ryanakca: it's similar to hockey, except you play it indoors, without skates, and no personal contact [00:33] i'm rooting for NY [00:33] mhb: oh, ball hockey :) [00:33] ryanakca: ca depends [00:34] or how you spell it [00:35] ryanakca: you play it with a characteristic ball, pretty light. [00:35] ryanakca: we also play "ball hockey" with harder balls. [00:35] except us poor canadians use a tennis ball instnead of "a precision type ball, characterized by 1516 tiny dimples that reduce air resistance, as well as friction on the floor." [00:35] oh, okies [00:35] yeah, that we play too [00:35] oh, looks like something exciting happened.. should go watch the replay [00:35] seele: heh, another member of the loony society [00:36] seele: who actually watches something "because of the ads" [00:36] mhb: the commercials on super bowl sunday are a big sport [00:36] companies pay millions for a 30 second ad [00:36] seele: yes, well... I know. [00:37] seele: but I fail to understand the people that watch it because of the ads. [00:37] well.. i dont think we really pay attention during the game [00:37] seele: imagine, there are people who watch it here in the czech rep. at 01:37 AM and ask the station why it has no ads [00:37] hehe [00:38] they don't air those ads much outside the U.S., I presume. [00:38] but still... crazy. [00:38] makes me want to return to the cave [00:39] i dont think a lot of the commercials would make sense out of the US [00:39] but i bet they are still entertaining for everyone [00:39] mhb: Well seele watches it for the ads Probe her mind [00:39] some of them dont really sell the product.. it's like 30 seconds of entertainment with a logo at the end [00:40] ads, the new entertainment. [00:40] some of the ads are better than our TV shows [00:40] and with the writer's strike, i think a lot of people are sick of reality tv [00:40] :o) [00:41] perhaps you could watch other nation's productions [00:41] actually, ive been watching lots of jdramas and korean tv [00:42] sometimes ill catch the simpsons or family guy on tv.. but that's all i watch. everything else are netflix and torrents [00:42] well, if there was Blackadder, Monty Python's Flying Circus in the TV, perhaps I'd even watch it :o) [00:43] * dasKreech doesn't watch TV in any case [00:43] seele: torrents, eh? [00:43] :o) [00:43] I plugged mine in the other day to see an episode of Monk [00:43] mhb: sssh [00:44] it'd been plugged out for 7 months before that [00:44] seele: on your Windows box, I presume [00:44] :o) [00:44] nah ... I know directors who download torrents [00:45] mhb: well the on demand netflix only works on windows.. but i usually get 3 at a time [00:55] hi there! [00:55] hi [00:56] just made a clean install of alpha 4 and the meta package for kde4 isn't on the repos.. is it broken? [01:17] are we not allowed to put any icons on the desktop? [01:20] daskreech: did u tried: settings->desktop->behavior-> allow programs in desktop window? [01:20] no not that :) === keffie_jayx is now known as effie_jayx === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [02:09] seele: I like the part when you describe that you like Ubuntu being "Human" [02:10] seele: I somehow feel, from the icons to the update manager appearance, that Ubuntu handles this task much better than we (Kubuntu) do [02:11] perhaps because it is the lack of vision that hinders us. [02:11] we usually hack on stuff because we like to, not looking at the greater picture [02:48] Riddell: yes, just what I expected [02:49] Riddell: a load of kofler's screaming "my distro is also good for KDE!" "mine too, and better than yours!" [02:51] sorry for the accurate, yet bitter, description [03:06] yay the patriots lost! [03:08] yay! [03:08] another US-centric day behind us === Pricey is now known as PriceChild [03:43] I didn't see that ending to the super bowl coming [03:43] the ads were horrible this year [03:45] The yankees won? [03:45] nixternal: eli had some moves at the end eh? [03:46] that was pure magic [03:47] we need two ppas [03:48] ya he did [03:48] although I don't think he deserved the MVP [03:48] either Plaxico if you wanted to keep it offensive, or that other defensive dude that totally wiped out brady on every play [03:49] I liked that sack at the end [03:49] Watch out! [03:49] here comes a 600lb rookie [03:49] w00t, football season is over, hockey season has been a blur, golf season is year round thankfully, but guess what's in 2 weeks? you got it [03:49] Daytona 500! boogity boogity boogity! [03:49] naw [03:49] March Madness! [03:50] in 2 weeks, not next month silly :) [03:50] I can guarantee OSU will not be in this championship [03:50] :) [03:50] I can guarantee that UMD nor U of M will be in it [03:51] GO BLUE! or GO TERPS! [03:51] Michigan? [03:51] bah [03:51] yup [03:51] aren't they still on suspension? [03:51] * vorian giggles [03:51] I am the only person in my family, of all that went to college, that didn't graduate from U of M [03:51] I did U of MD instead [03:51] COLLEGE PARK! [03:51] seele, ScottK, and crimsun know what I am talking about :) [03:52] go out to the Inner Harbor for some partays [04:00] Riddell: The FTBFS bug affected Debian too. Their maintainer has our patch now. [04:01] Riddell: Thanks for the Scribus upload. [04:01] nixternal: Thanks again for all the testing. [04:02] no problem [04:15] nixternal: When you were bemoaning the state of 64bit in Ubuntu, I thought of this message, but didn't find it until now: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=47A4A5DA.6050106%40hetnet.nl [04:17] or we have to switch to Debian (aaaaaaargh .....) [04:17] hahahhaha [04:35] nixternal: We shall need two ppas won't we ? [05:02] for what? [05:09] Well one ppa for kubuntu-kde4 and kde4 and one for kde4 weekly builds [05:31] Riddell: pinf [05:31] contentless pinf :) === marcel__ is now known as marcel [06:16] * dasKreech votes Systemsettings for SOU [06:48] * nixternal votes his whicked pyqt4 skills get blown up officially [06:51] +1 [06:51] * Jucato has no pyqt* skiills :) [06:52] either do I obviously [06:53] I want to code something damnit! I have written a line of my very own code in well over a month now..I am starting to jones for some code [06:53] :D [06:54] s/have/haven't [07:06] nixternal: Speaking of pyqt, if you could figure out how to convince kde-guidance not to need pyqtconfig, then python-qt4 could be a sync from Debian. That'll take some code I predict. [07:07] ya, something for me to destroy..nice try again :p [07:08] seriously, I hate Berkley now because of you [07:08] :p [07:10] nixternal: make systemsettings suck less [07:11] from what I have used with system settings, it is better and easier to work with than kcontrol [07:11] I haven't been a kcontrol fan since the old days though [07:14] Yeah but I still can't browse it with my keyboard [07:16] wow, Troy and I were talking about some KDE vs. Gnome games at the next conference..that sounds like fun [07:17] UDS 2008 - Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu in a winner takes all! [07:17] if it has anything to do with rugby, hockey, or eating, we will win! [07:17] I have us covered there :) [07:17] although, the last time I played rugby, I got my arse handed to me [07:24] * nixternal beds [07:24] g'nite === hunger_t is now known as hunger [08:34] Riddell: good blog post (just a bit too much comparing with other distros for my taste) [08:35] and good reponse by seele too [08:53] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ [08:54] hey _StefanS_ :) [08:54] had a good we ? [08:54] <_StefanS_> yessir [08:54] <_StefanS_> and you? [10:18] hi [10:49] Hi kubuntu devs! Shall I ask a rebuild? For more details see the following LP report: [10:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/134622 [10:49] Launchpad bug 134622 in opensync "kitchensync - opensync synchronization crash" [Undecided,New] [10:50] sahin_w: in hardy? [10:50] Riddell: No, in gutsy. [10:51] Riddell: Maybe hardy also involved, however I did not tested yet. [10:53] trouble is you can't just rebuild in a stable release, you have to go through stable release update procedure [10:53] which should be do-able, but it needs an explanation, and I'm not quite sure where the problem is caused [10:54] Riddell: Ok. I rebuilt myself, so for me it works. [10:54] Riddell: The problem is the same just in case fo basket. [10:54] mm, interesting [10:54] Riddell: Basket sometimes didn't compiled against the actual kdepim package. [10:55] so it's a binary incompatibility in libkdepim probably [10:55] Riddell: Yes, it is. I think... [10:56] or libkcal2b [10:56] Riddell: This package is in universe (like basket). [10:56] I wonder if we should update that version letter on the end for KDE 3.5.9 then [10:57] Riddell: So some package which is in the universe container not built against the proper kdepim package. [10:57] or rather than kdepim should have been changed when the binary compatibility did [10:58] Riddell: Yep. [10:58] sahin_w: ok, if I upload to universe, would you be willing to poke slangsek to let it though to -proposed (it's his archive day when he wakes up) then to have it tested [10:59] Riddell: On which channel? Where can I ping slanqsek? [10:59] Riddell: ubuntu-motu? [11:00] sahin_w: #ubuntu-devel [11:00] but hang on a minute, I havn't uploaded yet [11:00] Riddell: Ok. I'm waiting... === kblizzzek is now known as blizzzek [11:08] sahin_w: ok, 0.19-1build1 in gutsy-proposed unapproved queue, slangasek can approve when he wakes up [11:09] Riddell: Shall I ping slanqasek? Or he's just going to realize there is an unapproved package in the queue... [11:10] Riddell: ...When he wakes up... [11:11] sahin_w: yes ping, he just won't respond until he's awake [11:11] Riddell: Ok, I will. [11:12] and that's a g not a q :) [11:21] Riddell: I have to increase my font size! ;-) [11:25] hunger_t: a question for you on Dot http://dot.kde.org/1201953591/1201974332/1201974825/1201979129/1201984832/ === huahua is now known as Shely === Igorot_ is now known as Igorot [11:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm not really sure how to make that apply/unapply ruleset for the package, could you help? [11:55] _StefanS_: before the place where it runs configure add a line "patch -p1 < debian/patches/foo.diff" [11:55] and after the clean rule add "-patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/foo.diff" [11:55] the "-" at the start there means it gets ignored if it fails (if the patch isn't already applied) [11:56] * Hobbsee waves [11:56] <_StefanS_> ok thnx [11:59] Riddell: Thanks! [12:00] hey _StefanS_ [12:07] <_StefanS_> mhb: hey === hunger_t is now known as hunger [12:16] _StefanS_: how's your window-decoration adventures? [12:18] _StefanS_: still interested in it? [12:35] * jussi01 waves at Hobbsee [12:36] :) [12:42] meh, konqueror is broken, it wants to open links in a separate app [12:42] but flash works :) [12:43] i want this :| http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=806 [12:46] <_StefanS_> mhb: yes I am [13:01] _StefanS_: do you plan to use the same style for KDE4? Or KDE4 will be shipped with default Oxygen theme? [13:04] <_StefanS_> iRon: I havent really taken kde4 into consideration (yet) [13:20] _StefanS_: hmm, I must have missed the part when you answer me :o) === mhb_ is now known as mhb [13:34] stdin: about? [13:34] I relalise the 4.0.1 release is on wednesday [13:35] are you able to do ppa backports tomorrow? [13:42] apachelogger__: bist du da? [13:45] jpatrick: aye [13:46] * apachelogger__ is audaciting right now :D [13:46] apachelogger__: just checking is dragonplayer (1.99~rc1) the 2.0~rc1 on the website? [13:46] jpatrick: yes [13:47] ok, great [13:47] talking about that, did anyone backport that yet? [13:47] * apachelogger__ looks over to Riddell ;-) [13:47] nop [13:47] omg [13:47] that flatline was too high [13:47] * apachelogger__ ain't hearing anything -.- [13:48] apachelogger__: just checking, because I'm trying to get it into Debian [13:48] apachelogger__: don't see it in the ppa [13:49] Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+index?field.name_filter=dragonplayer&field.status_filter=published [13:49] apachelogger__: cool [13:49] auto-backport from hardy should work, in case the script isn't still broken ;-) [13:50] apachelogger__: seems to be fixed [13:51] * Riddell backports [14:05] <_StefanS_> mhb: I did answer you :) I'm still into the win deco stuff [14:08] _StefanS_: my opinion is that the current KDE4 windeco is not top of the class [14:08] <_StefanS_> mhb: I agree.. [14:08] <_StefanS_> mhb: the thing is; I [14:08] <_StefanS_> mhb: I'm still using crystal for the windeco, and I'm not sure it has been ported to kde4 [14:08] somehow, I have dream of creating a "Human" windeco that goes well with the idea of making KDE more human-friendly [14:09] <_StefanS_> mhb: yes thats a good idea indeed. [14:09] <_StefanS_> mhb: I will experiment a bit w [14:09] <_StefanS_> mhb: with what can be done [14:09] Riddell: things are quieting down for me this week, I should be about more now. so I should be available tomorrow [14:09] * _StefanS_ 's enter is buggin out [14:10] because before now, we've always somehow hacked together what was available, without any "bigger vision" [14:10] stdin: great [15:39] Riddell: hey [15:40] Riddell: I think I just found a bug in kdesudo maybe relative to the --nonewdcop you implemented.... [15:40] Riddell: here is how to reproduce : [15:40] Riddell: start systemsettings -> monitors and display -> go admin mode [15:40] then you can't apply any change you made... [15:43] Riddell: can you eventually confirm the issue also appears on your machine ? [15:49] does displayconfig even work? [15:49] no, not here [15:52] Riddell: works for me [15:52] well no issue if I go admin mode using the original kdesu [15:52] File "/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/displayconfigwidgets.py", line 46, in setScreen [15:52] self.screensizeslider.setMaxValue(len(screen.getAvailableResolutions())-1) [15:52] AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getAvailableResolutions' [15:52] quite broken here [15:53] Riddell: you can try with knetworkconf [15:53] same issue [15:53] no way to apply settings using kdesudo [15:53] start systemsettings -> advanced -> disk & filesystems [15:54] Riddell: the difference between systemsettings and kcontrol is that the "apply" button is part of the window that is refreshed and goes admin [15:54] Riddell: I suspect systemsettings to do a lot more dcop things on that point.... [15:55] this might be related to an environnement variable missing when using kdesudo or something like this.... [15:55] hard to say [15:55] mm, I see the issue [16:01] apachelogger: are you free to talk? [16:03] ultracap: depends about what ;-) [16:03] Riddell: where to look at according to you ? env variables or nonewdcop feature code ? [16:03] Riddell: that's not easy to debug..... [16:04] no, it's horrible to debug [16:04] apachelogger: screensaver issue? [16:04] I don't really know where to look I'm afraid [16:04] ultracap: uh, lovely, what's the issue? [16:05] apachelogger: lp 173109 [16:05] Launchpad bug 173109 in kubuntu-default-settings "2 Screen Savers not working" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173109 [16:05] apachelogger: I think [16:06] apachelogger: I get this on both my machines [16:06] ultracap: different graphic card vendors? [16:07] This getAvailableResolutions is a bitch. [16:08] apachelogger: Only similarity is same brand of screen [16:08] It should probably return something that 'always work' instead of None if things fail [16:08] Like "famous last words" [16:08] ultracap: fresh gutsy installations? [16:08] Didn't keithp say that 1024x768 always works? [16:09] sebas: always is a dangerous word to use ;-) [16:09] Right, but I thought I'd say something funny [16:10] funny and X11 is also ... dubious. [16:10] indeed [16:11] * apachelogger continues hunting missing amarok icons [16:11] apachelogger: Gutsy is now an up to date Hardy on one machine [16:11] * apachelogger stops again :P [16:11] ultracap: well, did you upgrade to gutsy? [16:13] apachelogger: no that was a fresh install [16:13] hm [16:14] ultracap: so what graphics drivers are you using? [16:15] apachelogger: Other machine needs a reinstall (with kde4) but screensavers didn't work from alpha3+ livecd [16:16] apachelogger: intel and radeon [16:18] ultracap: totally strange, I honestly can't think of a component which would cause this issue... maybe you can get someone else to reproduce it? [16:18] maybe in #kubuntu-testers or #kubuntu [16:21] apachelogger: do you recognise all the subscribers to the lp bug? [16:22] apachelogger: should I post on the forums as well? [16:23] ultracap: there are only you and me subscribed [16:23] forums is a good idea though [16:24] apachelogger: sorry I meant 'also notified' [16:25] ultracap: well, they are general bug contacts for the k-d-s package [16:27] apachelogger: Okay thanks - I have a sort of related issue, i can't exit a screensaver test by moving the mouse (buttons work) [16:28] apachelogger: Normal screensavers can be cleared by moving the mouse (gesture?) [16:29] yep [16:29] only the test runs need a click [16:30] apachelogger: Works as intended? [16:30] yes [16:30] apachelogger: want more? [16:31] just keep em coming :D [16:33] apachelogger: The desktop icon in the panel doesn't seem to update when using the back/forward buttons or loading a bookmark [16:33] apachelogger: Click on it and it updates [16:34] ultracap: desktop icon? [16:34] back/forward? [16:34] sorry, I have no KDE 3 to test [16:35] The forward and backward (history) buttons in konqueror [16:36] The icon in the desktop1 box [16:36] oh [16:36] ultracap: you mean the pager? [16:36] the applet which shows your virtual desktops [16:38] I think so, 2 have been configured and I can switch between them. [16:39] yeah, well, this is clearly a bug in KDE (http://bugs.kde.org) if you want to report it [16:39] but it is a pretty minor issue [16:39] so the possability it gets fixed isn't that high in my opinion [16:40] Riddell: it looks lke the all newdcop code is ignored.... [16:40] Riddell: NEWDCOP env variable should be set when using the option afaik [16:43] apachelogger: I will report if you recomend but KDE 4 is where focus should be? [16:44] apachelogger: Anyway thanks for your assistance, much appreciated. [16:44] ultracap: well, technically KDE 3 still gets updated, but everyone focuses on KDE 4, so unimportant bugs like this one have almost no chance to be fixed [16:46] apachelogger: That'd be almost everyone... [16:47] * ScottK2 still can't bring myself to care about KDE4. [16:47] Riddell: sudo overrides the env variables, then dcopserver is unset...... [16:47] ScottK2: well, talking about upstream :) [16:48] Riddell: I'm testing with sudo preserving the environment [16:49] Even there we should have a 3.5.9 soon. [16:50] ScottK2: yeah, but they focus on KDE 4 development, so small bugs, like missing gui updates, might not get fixed anymore [16:50] especially since the code gets completely replaced in KDE 4 anyway ... as for pager [16:50] Agreed. It's just that it's not yet quite completely ignored. [16:50] Right [16:55] Riddell: found it :) [16:55] Riddell: DCOPSERVER env needs to be preserved ;) [16:55] Riddell: I'll release a fixed kdesudo today [16:59] allee: feel free to hound them. maybe next time they'll pay attention to people who say "this is really important, you need to fix this" *before* it's been sitting there for a month and a half. [17:30] Tonio_: well done [17:32] Riddell: read your article yesterday. c++ is probably not for me, but i could get in pyqt and pykde. where is the best place to get started? techbase only has a small article mainly concerning slots [17:32] btw, i'm at borders right now, and there only seems to be generic python books here [17:33] tlayton: I'd suggest looking at kde-guidance bugs. All the guidance bits are in Python. [17:34] tlayton: you could write some pykde introductions for techbase [17:34] there's currently zero information on pykde 4 [17:41] Some guy has written a gtk-qt-engine for qt4: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/gtk-kde4?content=74689 [17:41] noo [17:41] that's a gtk configuration tool [17:42] oh stupid me, I really need sleep :) [17:43] Riddell: will there eventually be a kde-guidance-kde4 package? [17:43] tlayton: hope so [17:43] tlayton: it's blocked on a kde 4 libpythonize (which lets you use pykde in kcontrol modules) [17:44] tlayton: although there's no reason the apps couldn't be ported to kde 4 in the mean time, they run as standalone apps too [17:44] Riddell: gotcha. well, let me play with them for a few days then i'll get back with you, if that's okay [17:45] tlayton: certainly ok! [17:54] smarter: is this what you was looking for? http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=users/ruphy/gtk-qt4-engine.git;a=summary [17:55] d-miller: thank you :) [17:55] I'll try to package it later [17:55] if someone is not already working on it [18:13] Tonio_: ping [18:14] Ze-M: yep ? [18:14] Tonio_: did you the private? [18:14] Tonio_: did you saw the private? [18:14] Ze-M: necessary to talk privately ? [18:14] Tonio_: no but i would prefer [18:14] k [18:21] mornin' [18:22] can anyone tell me if in kubuntu x86_64 konqueror displays webpages that use flash plugins? [18:25] that depends on many things [18:25] nixternal: good morning, how's the extragear packaging going? [18:26] Riddell: depends if you have nspluginwrapper installed to wrap flash that its only 32bits [18:26] Ze-M: yes, also the version of konqueror and of flash [18:27] Riddell: yes, i cant have konqueror wotking with latest flash-9.0.115 but konqueror works fine with flash-9.0.48.0 and nspluginwrapper latest version [18:28] i was just trying to know if in kubuntu konqueror would work ok with latest flash-9.0.115 [18:31] Riddell: could be finished within the hour...are we pushing it up a day? === czessi_ is now known as Czessi [18:32] I was planning on finishing them up today thinking we still had 2 days [18:32] nixternal: dunno, the release is likely tomorrow evening so I guess tonight would be good to start uploading [18:32] no problem [18:32] much shorter extragear for 4.0.1 [18:48] Riddell: where do i find the bzr link for kde-guidance? [18:49] nixternal: yeah, various reasons [18:50] tlayton: it's in svn, http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance/ [18:51] Riddell: then i need to apply the .diff file? these first couple of steps are new to me, so please be patient. i'll pick it up quick [18:53] tlayton: I don't think we have any patches that arn't in svn, just checkout from KDE's anonsvn and that's that sources [18:54] /ank/nam [18:54] Riddell: ok, i was just looking at the lpad +source page, and there was a diff file. appears to already have the debian/* files in it [18:55] tlayton: in .deb packaging the .diff file is usually just the debian/ packaging files [18:58] soo, who all wants to go to UDS or FOSSCamp? [18:58] * Riddell eyes up nixternal [18:58] * Riddell looks at apachelogger [18:59] * Riddell keeks at stdin === Pricey is now known as PriceChild [19:00] I would like to, but I don't know if I'll have the time/money atm [19:00] where are they at this time around? [19:01] dunno if I will have a passport in time [19:01] nixternal: eastern europe, middle of may [19:01] but seeing as the school stuff isn't attached to me the way it was last year, I would be able to go of course [19:01] hrmm [19:01] stdin: expenses are paid [19:02] let me see if I can get my passport stuff situated...I have a ton of unpaid parking tickets to pay off here first, but my x-wife told me that I could get one from Maryland and not have to worry about the Illinois parking tickets === PriceChild is now known as Pricey [19:03] parking tickets stop you getting a passport? [19:03] they do now here in Illinois [19:03] if you owe the state any money, they will not provide you a passport [19:03] harsh [19:03] just a bit [19:03] but I should be able to get one in Maryland hopefully === Pricey is now known as PriceChld [19:04] luckily for me, I will be able to get mine at the military base there quicker if it all goes through [19:04] man, I remember being able to fly almost anywhere w/o a passport while in the military === PriceChld is now known as PriceChild [19:05]