[00:00] <ethana3> i think this resolution bug is to obvious to be overlooked..
[00:00] <ethana3> but i think i'll check just to make sure it has been filed
[00:00] <bardyr> what resolution bug?
[00:00] <ethana3> radeon picks this huge res
[00:01] <ethana3> when my monitor can only do 1280x1024, physically
[00:01] <ethana3> then radeon ignores my mode settings
[00:01] <bardyr> tried the binary driver?
[00:01] <ethana3> eww
[00:01] <ethana3> no
[00:02] <ethana3> well wait, do you mean the proprietary one, or just a precompiled radeon?
[00:02] <ethana3> i'm not going to mess with proprietary stuff; that's not why i'm here
[00:04] <bardyr> proprietary
[00:04] <ethana3> yeah, my card has long been forgotten by them
[00:04] <bardyr> ethana3, but how can you survive without compiz :D
[00:04] <ethana3> and that's not the future anyway
[00:04] <ethana3> i get compiz
[00:04] <ethana3> radeon can do compiz easily
[00:04] <ethana3> i also play tremulous and nexuiz and all those
[00:04] <ethana3> and it will only get better
[00:04] <bardyr> on the opensource driver?
[00:04] <ethana3> absolutely
[00:04] <ethana3> and of course
[00:05] <bardyr> wow, i didnt think they had gotten so fare
[00:05] <ethana3> oh yeah they have
[00:05] <ethana3> specs help a lot
[00:05] <RAOF> bardyr: Sufficiently old radeons are *better* supported by the opensource driver than by fglrx
[00:05] <ethana3> yes
[00:05] <ethana3> 9200SE
[00:07] <lufis> Is it just me or is the hardy alpha *extremely* slow?
[00:07] <lufis> like, menus sluggishly opening, video less responsive, etc.?
[00:07] <RAOF> It may be just you, I don't see that.
[00:08] <DanaG> My system definitely seems less responsive.
[00:08] <lufis> I wonder if it's the new kernel
[00:08] <DanaG> When I start Gnome, Pidgin freezes for about 30 seconds simply due to other stuff loading.
[00:08] <ethana3> i keep the system monitor in my panel
[00:08] <ethana3> so i always see cpu usage...
[00:08] <DanaG> I'm sure it is the new kernel -- try booting the old one for comparison.
[00:08] <RAOF> I have terrible problems with the -rt kernel, but -generic is OK.
[00:09] <lufis> After disabling trackerd, seahorse, and whatever else bloat ubuntu has gotten this release it got a bit better
[00:09] <lufis> but it's still not anything like gutsy
[00:09] <lufis> speed-wise
[00:09] <DanaG> Try the Gutsy kernel!
[00:09] <DanaG> The new "completely fair scheduler" sucks, in my usage.
[00:10] <lufis> I tried 2.6.24 on gutsy, actually, and it was very responsive
[00:10] <DanaG> With CFS?
[00:10] <lufis> yes
[00:10] <DanaG> Odd.
[00:10] <bardyr> i think hardy is faster, then gutsy
[00:10] <DanaG> I wonder what else has changed.
[00:10] <Gnine> my 8.04 has all normal features turned on and its all good
[00:10] <DanaG> For me, Hardy with Gutsy kernel is more responsive than Hardy with Hardy kernel.
[00:10] <ethana3> most of my issues are always in either my DE or xorg
[00:10] <DanaG> I haven't tried Gutsy with Hardy kernel.
[00:10] <lufis> i thought maybe it was swapping too much, so i turned swap off... no speedup
[00:11] <ethana3> but that may be just because i screw with things so much ;)
[00:11] <Gnine> celeron 2.0 - 1gig ram
[00:11] <Gnine> never touch swap
[00:12] <ethana3> that's for hibernating and running out of ram ;)
[00:12]  * Gnine is on desktop right now.. laptop is even better 
[00:13] <Gnine> with the exception of the suspend issues
[00:14] <lufis> Video skips on hardy, something that i have never had happen on this machine
[00:20] <DanaG> I'm getting audio dropouts when I close my laptop lid.
[00:20] <DanaG> That only happens with the new kernel, and only when folding@home is running.
[00:22] <ethana3> filed bug on radeon
[00:22] <bardyr> DanaG, i think the CFS isnt respecting nice values and making folding eat way to much cpu time
[00:22] <ethana3> in the world clock, it doesn't give the correct time for other locations
[00:23] <ethana3> it just gives you the right analog clock, then the local time and offset
[00:23] <ethana3> 'You do the math'
[00:23] <DanaG> Look at this bug (and a few other bugs related to it):  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/177713
[00:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "CFS in 2.6.24 kernel needs cpu_share adjustment for "niced" processes" [Medium,Fix released]
[00:27] <SeveredCross> My issue with Hardy is libeel breaking python-nautilus.
[00:27] <SeveredCross> Makes me :-(
[00:47] <ethana3> so who all is awake now, aussies and californians?
[00:48] <JanC> belgians too
[00:48] <ethana3> can we set our update thing to check every hour?
[00:48] <ethana3> belgians?
[00:48] <JanC> (for a little)
[00:48] <ethana3> lol
[00:49] <JanC> I guess it's possible, but why every hour?
[00:49] <ethana3> hmm
[00:49] <ethana3> proposed updates enabled on an alpha?
[00:50] <ethana3> nevermind; that is a little rediculous
[01:01] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226/
[01:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [Wishlist,New]
[01:13] <Dr_willis> Oh Joys.. every so often when i am in windows.. i realise WHY i like linux so much better.....
[01:13] <ethana3> yes
[01:14] <Dr_willis> Windows is saying every dvd i have is a blank and wants to format it . even the commercial video dvds
[01:15] <Dr_willis> bb in a bit. :)
[01:37] <ethana3> well, when i went to do the actual install, i selected safe graphics mode
[01:37] <ethana3> now i have it just configured for radeon
[01:37] <ethana3> so adding another mode may just work out better..  i'm going to try that now.
[01:44] <ethana3> that didn't work..
[01:45] <ethana3> and i don't know why..  i'm going to have a look at my xorg log
[01:52] <ethana3> i'm adding my /var/log/Xorg.0.log to my bug report via pastebin
[02:14] <ethana3> well, even though i set my modes to include only 800x600 and 1280x1024.. i wonder if it needs a 'virtual' line
[02:31] <dabbill> how do i install kde4 with 8.04? apt-get install kde4-core dont work.
[02:31] <RAOF> !doesntwork | dabbill
[02:31] <ubotu> dabbill: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[02:32] <dabbill> gives me a big list of unmet dependencies
[02:33] <RAOF> Right.
[02:33] <DanaG> Argh, when pulseaudio stutters, sometimes Exaile locks up and eats 100% of (BOTH CORES!) of my CPU.
[02:33] <RAOF> That's probably a temporary problem, and is totally expected at certain times.
[02:33] <RAOF> Just try again in a day or so.
[02:35] <DanaG> Argh, I'm trying the qprojectm thingy, but it's hella' buggy.
[02:35] <DanaG> It doesn't save preset ratings.
[02:36] <DanaG> And I get this all the time:  ASSERT: "last >= first" in file kernel/qabstractitemmodel.cpp, line 2095
[02:36] <DanaG> Aborted (core dumped)
[02:36] <DanaG> Anyway, that's not a Hardy issue, though.
[02:37] <ethana3> Screens and Graphics was intended to be able to do multi-seat, right?
[02:38] <ethana3> with better autoconfiguration, I don't see the point of it otherwise
[02:40] <ethana3> ...but i would /really, really/ love to be able to use it for what I'm trying to do.  That would be amazing
[02:42] <dabbill> apt-get install kde4-core gives me Depends: kdebase-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[02:42] <DanaG> I wonder how PulseAudio works with multiseat.
[02:42] <ethana3> try this
[02:42] <ethana3> oh, i wonder too
[02:42] <DanaG> Oh, and try aptitude -- it's more useful with dependencies.
[02:42] <RAOF> DanaG: Only the active user gets the sound device.
[02:42] <ethana3> apt-get install kde4-core kdebase-kde4
[02:42] <DanaG> But BOTH are active.
[02:42] <ethana3> yes
[02:42] <ethana3> and there is only one sound device
[02:43] <ethana3> but two of everything else of course
[02:43] <RAOF> DanaG: You may me thinking of something different to me when I hear "multiseat"
[02:43] <ethana3> two simultaneous users
[02:43] <ethana3> two monitors, keyboards, mice
[02:43] <RAOF> Oh, right.
[02:43] <ethana3> which is what i have
[02:43] <ethana3> but i haven
[02:44] <ethana3> 't gotten it working correctly as of yet
[02:44] <RAOF> That's an interesting question; probably badly at the moment, I think.
[02:44] <dabbill> looks like aptitude did the trick
[02:44] <ethana3> i'm fine with one user just not getting audio for now; it's not essential
[02:46] <ethana3> actually
[02:46] <ethana3> i want one user to get the right channel and one user get the left
[02:46] <ethana3> yes.
[02:49] <DanaG> Mono?   Ugh.
[02:50] <ethana3> well yeah
[02:50] <ethana3> unless i get another sound card
[02:50] <DanaG> If the onboard audio device does surround, you could split the front and rear to act as two separate cards.
[02:50] <ethana3> oh.. ok
[02:50] <ethana3> it just has one little audio jack
[02:50] <ethana3> like, the basic headphone kind
[02:50] <DanaG> Dang.
[02:50] <ethana3> as i said though, that's not a serious problem
[02:50] <DanaG> I wonder how expensive a cheap USB sound card would be.
[02:51] <ethana3> i'm thinking PCI
[02:51] <ethana3> but USB may work too
[02:51] <ethana3> most of my USB ports are used
[02:51] <ethana3> with the printer, two mice, USB keyboard, thumb drive, and webcam
[02:51] <ethana3> the other keyboard is PS/2
[02:52] <ethana3> the funny thing is that one of those usb ports
[02:52] <ethana3> only works under linux
[02:52] <ethana3> not windows xp
[02:53] <DanaG> Aah.
[02:53] <DanaG> PCI sound cards are often better, too.
[02:54] <ethana3> oh yeah, and that USB port for the webcam, sometimes i use it for my motorola phone with bitpim ^_^
[02:55] <ethana3> well, I have one unused PCI slot..  and another with just a dialup modem
[02:56] <DanaG> I do bluetooth with my phone.
[02:56] <ethana3> yeah, this machine doesn't have bluetooth..
[02:57] <DanaG> Oh yeah, multiseat seems rather complicated; why are you setting up such a thing?
[02:57] <ethana3> because i have the hardware resources
[02:57] <ethana3> and i have the need; being:
[02:57] <ethana3> two computers, with close to $0 cost
[02:58] <ethana3> splitting half and half, each user gets 1.4GHz and 384MB of RAM i think
[02:58] <ethana3> plus their own 3d acceleration, of course
[02:58] <ethana3> this doesn't have to be complicated, it just needs software to do it via gui
[02:59] <ethana3> ..that's not proprietary, like whatever that one thing is..
[02:59] <DanaG> Aah.
[02:59] <ethana3> CRT's are free these days
[02:59] <DanaG> Except for the power bill, that is.
[02:59] <ethana3> and $40 for another computer..
[02:59] <ethana3> well yeah, that..
[03:00] <ethana3> $20 for the second mouse, $20 for the second keyboard, it gets reimbursed
[03:00] <ethana3> i had to fill out this paper about the purchase and what i was going to do with it
[03:00] <ethana3> so if nothing else, I've gone way to far to turn back.. and i don't want to, for a variety of other reasons
[03:01] <RAOF> Do they each get their own 3d accel?  Open hardware doesn't support DRI on two X servers at this point in time, IIRC.
[03:01] <ethana3> yes
[03:01] <ethana3> ohhhhh
[03:01] <ethana3> there are two gpu's, one intel integrated, one radeon from a previous machine
[03:01] <ethana3> nearly equivalent power
[03:02] <RAOF> Ah, right.  Yup, each seat can get its own 3d.
[03:02] <ethana3> if 3d won't work, fine, we can handle that later
[03:02] <ethana3> its a matter of realizing the theoretical via properly coded software
[03:03] <ethana3> dual seat happens to be extremely practical for us; i'm in this for the future, because i don't believe we're alone
[03:03] <ethana3> so if i can get two seats with no 3d and no sound for the moment, i'm good with it; that's what i need
[03:04] <ethana3> or perhaps just 3d on one.. to save on CPU power if nothing else
[03:05] <ethana3> the good part is that our community has NDA-free specs for both GPU's
[03:06] <DanaG> Intel and old ATI?
[03:06] <ethana3> yes
[03:10] <ethana3> for the sake of this channel's logs and the devs that may read them- my email address: ethana2@gmail.com
[03:13] <hydrogen> public logging is not allowed on this network without prior notification, so you better hope they are idling here :)
[03:15] <RAOF> !logs | hydrogen
[03:15] <ubotu> hydrogen: Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[03:16] <ethana3> i see
[03:16] <ethana3> i just realized something in displayconfig-gtk (Screens and Graphics)
[03:16] <ethana3> it allows for setting up multiple graphics cards; but you can't use multiple for multi head
[03:16] <ethana3> ...can you?
[03:17] <ethana3> so that would have to be there with the intent of facilitating what I'm doing already right?
[03:17] <RAOF> You can use multiple for multi-head.  Xinerama allows it.
[03:18] <ethana3> but wait, /this/ one doesn't even configure one graphics card.. am i imagining memories of it?
[03:18] <ethana3> oh, that's cool
[03:18] <hydrogen> RAOF: I sure hope that there is a message in the topic or join message about it then
[03:20] <ethana3> wait, hydrogen?  were you on #amarok-meeting?
[03:21] <ethana3> i think it may have been you, but you never know..  hydrogen /is/ the most common element in the universe..
[03:22] <ethana3> if they still need art, i may be able to help them out now
[03:22] <ethana3> .. it would be nice if hardy shipped with inkscape installed by default
[03:30] <DanaG> stupid **** Xorg.
[03:30] <DanaG> My ctrl key got stuck down.
[03:30] <DanaG> And it's not a hardware problem.
[03:30] <hydrogen> meh
[03:31] <hydrogen> who'd of guessed that alpha software would have bugz
[03:31] <hydrogen> ITS MISTERIUS
[03:31] <DanaG> The only way I can fix it is to ctrl-alt-backspace.
[03:35] <chowmeined> hydrogen, two months
[03:38] <hydrogen> wut?
[03:40] <chowmeined> hydrogen, two months until the final release for this LTS
[03:40] <hydrogen> I'm still not seeing your point
[03:40] <chowmeined> i would hope there wouldnt be so many huge bugs this close to release
[03:40] <hydrogen> please explain how complaining about bugs in alpha software in a channel dedicated to the support for it is at all productive?
[03:41] <chowmeined> calling it alpha software is an excuse
[03:41] <chowmeined> a crutch
[03:41] <hydrogen> .. the truth?
[03:41] <chowmeined> i dont care what you call it.. 2 months until release
[03:41] <chowmeined> thats the bottom line
[03:41] <RAOF> Before feature freeze.
[03:41] <hydrogen> when you have a 5-6 month release cycle that doesn't mean much
[03:42] <chowmeined> but this one happens to be LTS
[03:42] <hydrogen> it doesn't change the starting point
[03:45] <SeveredCross> 2 months is a pretty long time.
[03:49] <ethana4> this is handy: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/02/04/%23ubuntu+1.html
[04:01] <Andre_Gondim> is there someone from planet ubuntuu?
[04:02] <hydrogen> itsa bit inethical without notification.. but meh!
[04:02] <ethana4> i don't know.. probably
[04:02] <ethana4> i don't mind; i don't have anything to hide..
[04:03] <ethana4> it just means i don't have to keep track of pidgin's logs myself, because they're out there on someone else's server
[04:08] <chowmeined> ethana4, thats a naive argument
[04:10] <ethana4> chowmeined: i realize the ramifications of a lack of privacy extend beyond those who 'don't have anything to hide'...
[04:10] <ethana4> chowmeined: but in this instance i believe the benefits far outweigh the risks
[04:12] <ethana4> chowmeined: sorry, i phrased that weird, but you get what i mean
[04:18] <dazza> hi, xorg.conf looks very bare, is the x config managed differently in hardy? i'm looking for a way to get the nvidia drivers running
[04:19] <RAOF> dazza: I suggest running nvidia-xconfig.  Xorg is pretty much doing full autodetection now, but it doesn't choose to use the nvidia drivers.
[04:20] <RAOF> nvidia-xconfig should set up a basic nvidia-using xorg.conf
[04:20] <dazza> ok, thanks :)
[04:26] <dazza> hmm no luck yet, i'll poke around on the net
[04:29] <dn4> ahh the Hardy Heron
[04:29] <dn4> dn4@dn4:/mnt$ wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-4/hardy-server-i386.iso
[04:29] <dn4> Connecting to cdimage.ubuntu.com|91.189.88.34|:80... connected.
[04:29] <dn4> 6% [==>                                              ] 31,056,381   161.11K/s    ETA 32:29
[05:04] <Chris4585> i have a simple question, in hardy are they going to drasticly change the look? or even a little bit.
[05:04] <Gnine> no
[05:05] <Chris4585> ok, thanks
[05:41] <ethana4> Gnine: are you sure?  Now I'm sad
[05:44] <Gnine> sure like am running 8.04
[05:46] <hydrogen> all that means is it hasn't been added yet
[05:46] <ethana4> exactly
[05:46] <ethana4> we're far from artwork freeze
[05:48] <ethana4> and i understand they will make many improvements
[05:48] <ethana4> i don't know anyone who thinks 'wow, ubuntu looks pretty!'
[05:51] <blayde> i think the default theme is _much_ better than luna... but that's just me
[05:51] <SeveredCross> Really?
[05:51] <SeveredCross> My GF thinks it's pretty.
[05:51] <ethana4> there are many
[05:51] <SeveredCross> Especially when styled properly.
[05:51] <ethana4> and they all look awesome, imo
[05:51] <ethana4> the new ones, i mean
[05:55] <Gnine> most people will endup customising whatever default they get
[05:55] <Gnine> so it does not matter
[05:57] <hydrogen> completly disagree with that
[05:57] <hydrogen> Most people are not going to want to spend the time to customize the look, they are going to use the default
[05:57] <hydrogen> and they will decide what they use based on the default they see
[05:57] <hydrogen> customizing the look is an advanced feature
[06:01] <blayde> i showed my roommate (who is a noob) gnome-look the other day and he did alright once i showed him where to drag and drop
[06:02] <hydrogen> that still requires them to get there in the first place
[06:02] <blayde> perhaps there should be something in the help about it...
[06:02] <ethana4> default is very, very important
[06:02] <ethana4> yes, integrated
[06:02] <ethana4> like, repos
[06:02] <ethana4> for featured looks
[06:02] <hydrogen> thats what get hot new stuff is supposed to be about
[06:02] <ethana4> but we must have better defaults
[06:03] <Assid> emerald is messed up in the last update/alpha4
[06:03] <ethana4> oh, ok..
[06:03] <hydrogen> not sure if gnome hsa gotten around to supporting it yet
[06:03] <hydrogen> it's a fdo "standard" now
[06:03] <hydrogen> however
[06:04] <blayde> far as i can tell, the 'help' button on gutsy is broke in appearance preferences
[06:06] <Gnine> your emerald
[06:06] <Assid> gutsy has many issues
[08:34] <Tabenx> Hello, i currenly have a fairly unique problem. After restarting from setting up things the way i like them, it all seemed normal so i logged in and i see everything starting up but then all i have is a blank white screen. The only other thing i can see is my mouse pointer. Any suggestions?
[08:40] <slytherin> Is anyone experiencing frequent pidgin crashes on hardy?
[08:59] <JulesKahn> Hello. I just accidentally installed Hardy Heron instead of 7.10. I'd like to know the easiest way to get to 7.10 without having to burn a disc
[08:59] <JulesKahn> It was a clean installation over a drive with a burnt out XP install
[09:02] <pwnguin> hmm. does shipit still send individual discs?
[09:03] <JulesKahn> To clarify, if it would be overly complicated not to burn a disc, and if I can burn one while running Heron from disc, I would be able to download the correct installation disc right now
[09:04] <JulesKahn> Also, I really don't mind Heron so far, it's just that after I installed it and restarted, I was presented with GRUB and didn't know what to do
[09:04] <JulesKahn> :)
[09:05] <pwnguin> that is normal for me
[09:05] <pwnguin> except i know what to do ;)
[09:05] <JulesKahn> Do I just press enter?
[09:05] <JulesKahn> I actually didn't try that :P
[09:05] <pwnguin> yes
[09:05] <pwnguin> arrow keys and enter
[09:05] <JulesKahn> They told me over in #ubuntu to do that under the assumption that I had installed 7.10
[09:06] <JulesKahn> Okay. Any particular arrow keys that I should know about?
[09:06] <JulesKahn> heh
[09:06] <pwnguin> is the grub menu confusing you?
[09:06] <pwnguin> or am i misunderstanding something?
[09:06] <pwnguin> there's probably like three options
[09:06] <JulesKahn> Yeah. I'm a complete linux noob which is why I chose ubuntu
[09:06] <JulesKahn> Well, the grub menu appeared to just be a console
[09:06] <pwnguin> yea
[09:07] <pwnguin> wait
[09:07] <JulesKahn> I type help and was presented with a lot more than three options
[09:07] <pwnguin> thats bad =(
[09:07] <JulesKahn> oh
[09:07] <JulesKahn> Wellll
[09:08] <JulesKahn> I'd really like to get to the stable version if there's just some apt-get thing I can do. Or other linux jargon that I can type to get things to normal ubuntuness
[09:08] <pwnguin> apt-get can't upgrade
[09:08] <pwnguin> err
[09:08] <pwnguin> downgrade
[09:09] <JulesKahn> that makes sense
[09:09] <pwnguin> and generally, i dont think the packages support it
[09:09] <JulesKahn> Is there an installer I can download while I'm running from cd that won't require me to burn a cd?
[09:09] <pwnguin> ah, heh
[09:09] <pwnguin> i see the problem now
[09:10] <JulesKahn> heh heh...
[09:10] <pwnguin> well, you can try a USB boot
[09:10] <pwnguin> if you have a thumbdrive lying around big enough
[09:10] <JulesKahn> Yeah.. I had one earlier in the evening but returned it after backing up my files through knoppix
[09:11] <pwnguin> backing them up to what?
[09:11] <JulesKahn> external hd
[09:11] <JulesKahn> durr. i guess i could try booting from there
[09:13] <JulesKahn> Eh. I'm gonna try rebooting one more time. If I can't get it to work, I'll just wait until tomorrow when I can get another disc and do things right.
[09:14] <JulesKahn> Thanks a lot
[09:22] <ethana3> so if i enable proposed updates on an alpha OS, does my machine explode?
[09:23] <RAOF> ethana3: No.  There's nothing in there.
[09:24] <ethana3> oh
[09:25] <ethana3> that's like...
[09:25] <ethana3> i don't know.. lol
[09:39] <Konstigt> can someone help me with launchpad bug 188869 ? cannot get X starting correctly...
[09:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188869 in xorg "[hardy] Xorg crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188869
[09:46] <scizzo-> Konstigt: you should attach the backtrace also
[09:47] <scizzo-> actually its there nevermind
[09:48] <scizzo-> Konstigt: it wont start with the failsafe monitor config either?
[09:49] <Konstigt> scizzo-: yes it does but in failsafe I cannot use the mouse and I have us keyboard so I modified the failsafe config and changed so that no new xorg.conf.failsafe is generated. thats the file thats attached.
[09:50] <Konstigt> what ive changed is that ive added my touchpad, changed keyboard and added some options for my ps2 mouse to be able to click/doubleclick correctly.
[09:52] <scizzo-> Konstigt: try to use the same config but without the synaptics options
[09:52] <scizzo-> just to see what the effect is
[09:53] <scizzo-> remove the disable dri row also
[09:57] <DaBigEd> hey all
[10:08] <JulesKahn> Hey.. I accidentally installed Hardy Heron and want to install Gutsy. I can't burn discs right now though. Can I use Qemu to boot the Gutsy ISO from the live cd of Hardy Heron to install gutsy?
[10:10] <ethana3> no
[10:10] <slytherin> JulesKahn, Did you find the solution yet? if not I hav one for you
[10:11] <Roe1> Hi, my gnome-appearance-properties get's a sigsegv after starting up
[10:11] <Roe1> running gdb yields:
[10:11] <Roe1> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[10:11] <Roe1> [Switching to Thread 0x7f670d5ce6e0 (LWP 15704)]
[10:11] <Roe1> 0x0000003b9ac8d601 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6
[10:11] <Roe1> (gdb) bt
[10:11] <Roe1> #0  0x0000003b9ac8d601 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6
[10:11] <Roe1> #1  0x0000003a08215c39 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop-2.so.2
[10:11] <Roe1> #2  0x0000003a08216e12 in gnome_bg_create_thumbnail ()
[10:11] <slytherin> JulesKahn, Check 'CD Image Approach' section at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[10:11] <Roe1>    from /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop-2.so.2
[10:11] <Roe1> #3  0x000000000041d2a9 in gnome_wp_item_get_thumbnail ()
[10:11] <Roe1> #4  0x00000000004136ef in ?? ()
[10:11] <Roe1> #5  0x0000003b9e42a82e in g_hash_table_foreach ()
[10:11] <Roe1>    from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[10:11] <Roe1> #6  0x00000000004139d7 in ?? ()
[10:11] <Roe1> #7  0x0000003b9e4373e4 in g_main_context_dispatch ()
[10:11] <Roe1>    from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[10:12] <Roe1> #8  0x0000003b9e43a6f5 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[10:12] <Roe1> #9  0x0000003b9e43aa15 in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[10:12] <slytherin> Roe1, Please don't flood the channel
[10:12] <Roe1> #10 0x00000039ef545bd3 in IA__gtk_main ()
[10:12] <Roe1>     at /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.12.7/gtk/gtkmain.c:1163
[10:12] <Roe1> #11 0x0000000000417b7d in main ()
[10:12] <Roe1> (gdb) quit
[10:12] <Roe1> sorry
[10:12] <Roe1> I wasn't thinking
[10:12] <JulesKahn> slytherin, no I haven't found one yet
[10:12] <Roe1> should have provided a txt file and aa link
[10:12] <JulesKahn> I'll look at that link now
[10:12] <JulesKahn> But I don't have Windows installed, just this broken Hardy Heron install now
[10:13] <JulesKahn> it works from live cd but won't boot normally as far as I can tell
[10:13] <slytherin> JulesKahn, What is broken?
[10:14] <JulesKahn> When I reboot, GRUB gives me a command prompt with no other options
[10:14] <JulesKahn> when I type boot, it says the kernel isn't running
[10:14] <JulesKahn> and I don't know how to use the kernel command
[10:15] <slytherin> JulesKahn, Do you still have old kernel installed? Or did you remove it?
[10:15] <JulesKahn> I installed fresh from the hardy heron dvd
[10:15] <JulesKahn> I haven't removed anything
[10:15] <slytherin> JulesKahn, oops, I thought you upgraded
[10:15] <JulesKahn> Yeah
[10:16] <JulesKahn> I don't have any way of burning the 7.10 iso right now, so I was hoping to be able to boot it somehow from the live cd boot of hardy heron
[10:16] <JulesKahn> :-/
[10:16] <Roe1> So, now in a better way. This is my gdb backtrace of gnome-appearance-properties: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt
[10:16] <Roe1> any ideas?
[10:17] <ethana3> wait,if you can get the .iso
[10:17] <slytherin> JulesKahn, If you are brave enough, you can do some tweaking to the method described at that link. And you should be able to install gutsy. You don't really need Windows.
[10:17] <ethana3> you can put it on a partition
[10:17] <ethana3> i think
[10:17] <ethana3> and boot off of that like it was an optical disk
[10:18] <JulesKahn> ethana, that sounds like what I want to do
[10:18] <ethana3> i'll see if i can track down the method
[10:18] <JulesKahn> but I do not know how. I'm really quite a noob at all this, it was a stupid mistake to get heron.
[10:18] <slytherin> JulesKahn, put the iso in some drive's root and you will need to edit menu.lst file in existing installation
[10:18] <JulesKahn> okay. it's in my external's root right now
[10:19] <slytherin> JulesKahn, Won't do I think. It needs to be in internal drive's root. And is it 'Alternate CD' iso file?
[10:20] <ethana3> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948
[10:20] <JulesKahn> It's not the alternate
[10:20] <ethana3> that may be helpful
[10:20] <ethana3> although i guess there's always the chance that it may not
[10:20] <slytherin> ethana3, please use nicknames to specify who you are talking to. :-)
[10:21] <ethana3> JulesKahn: that may be Hgahh
[10:21] <ethana3> JulesKahn: helpful
[10:21] <JulesKahn> I'm reading that now
[10:21] <ethana3> JulesKahn: k ^_^
[10:22] <ethana3> JulesKahn: was your main thing having to download another iso or having to burn another disk?
[10:23] <ethana3> JulesKahn: ..cause you're going to need the .iso for the OS version you want
[10:23] <JulesKahn> The main thing was that I only have one drive on this computer
[10:24] <JulesKahn> So I can't actually burn a cd at the moment
[10:24] <ethana3> JulesKahn: then i think that link is what you want
[10:24] <JulesKahn> I have the iso I need
[10:24] <ethana3> good
[10:24] <ethana3> i must now sleep; i shall see you all later
[10:24] <JulesKahn> I'm reading that now although I am a complete linux noob, so translating it is not really something I feel capable of doing
[10:24] <ethana3> somebody please help him
[10:25] <JulesKahn> Thanks very much for your time and effort though, both of you
[10:25] <ethana3> yeah
[10:25] <ethana3> 'night
[10:25] <ethana3> ethana2@gmail.com
[10:25] <JulesKahn> I think I might also sleep and do this in a saner way tomorrow with a computer that can burn
[10:25] <ethana3> email me if you don't get help in a timely manner
[10:25] <JulesKahn> thanks :)
[10:25] <ethana3> oh, ok
[10:25]  * ethana3 leaves pidgin in channel to log; will not respond
[10:26] <Roe1> anyone on segmentation fault in gnome-appearance-properties? gdb log: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt
[10:47]  * Davo_Dinkum wonders how he's supposed to tell which video is which on http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.conf.au/2008/
[10:47] <sque> Hi! Is there anyone familiar with PulseAudio?
[10:47] <Davo_Dinkum> oops wrong chan
[10:54]  * Roe1 sighes anxiously waiting a reply
[11:00] <Roe1> Also, the crash data from apport for the gnome-appearance-properties are here http://www.deinon.net/~roel/apport.crash
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> All righty - a clean install of  Hardy - fixed some of my odd.. quirks. from the upgrade i had done. :)
[13:08] <taggie> anybody else having really bizarre gtk/gnome issues? metacity seems to be freaking out on me repeatedly. tried re-install to alpha 4 but as soon as i apply updates, back to the same odd behavior
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> taggie,  just did a install. and update. Not seeing any issues here.
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> what sort of issue?
[13:23] <taggie> lockups, where the mouse responds but keyboard doesn't. then suddenly things work again. clicking on apps/places/system doesn't hold the menus open anymore, have to click and drag to get to things in the menus
[13:24] <taggie> the only thing that i did beyond the most basic setup was enable fglrx in the driver manager.
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> all seems to be working here.
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> using the nvidia drivers. and just enabled compiz
[13:24] <taggie> yeah, no compiz here
[13:27] <avatar_> hmmm, just installed ufw (ubuntu firewall) in hardy
[13:28] <avatar_> and wondert why all my ssh sessions stopt working
[13:28] <avatar_> seems that the default ipv6 policy is block
[13:45] <Roe1> @anyone: I cannot run gnome-appearance-properties... it segfaults...
[13:45] <Roe1> gdb trace: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt | apport log: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/apport.crash
[16:26] <HellMin1> help => http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4267395#post4267395
[16:26] <HellMin1>  debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[16:26] <HellMin1> but is a lie
[16:44] <alinon> is there an easy way to increase the amount of lines the scroll wheel does at a time?
[16:50] <pdlnhrd> i just tried to to an dist-upgrade and on reboot it is not recognizing my root disk... is there anything i can do to fix this?
[17:09] <pdlnhrd> can anyone help with an issue with hardy heron where the root partition can not be found, it seems that the uuid's are messed up for the partitions
[17:16] <abbie> whats the proper way to upgrade to heron from gutsy - change sources.list or.... other
[17:24] <pdlnhrd> abbie:  i just did a sudo update-manager -d  and there was a option to do a dist upgrade
[17:31] <freakyy> hi all. im trying to upgrade to hardy, but the cpu frequency scaling doesnt work correctly. my laptop always switches off because the cpu becomes too hot. is there a possibility to stop the frequency scaling from working (tried stopping powernowd but doesnt help) so it keeps running at a low frequency?
[17:32] <freakyy> i need to do that on the command line
[17:32] <freakyy> because i can't start KDE/gnome/xfc
[17:33] <coolbhavi> hey I have a strange problem in hardy now
[17:33] <coolbhavi> my /dev/sda3 is linux and /dev/sda1 is xp
[17:34] <coolbhavi> when I try to open /dev/sda1 its locked even with root permissions
[17:34] <coolbhavi> Now if i reboot it isnt locked
[17:34] <coolbhavi> Is it a bug or am I missing something?
[17:35] <coolbhavi> anyone please
[17:36] <coolbhavi> its on kubuntu as well as ubuntu
[17:44] <Roe1> @anyone: I cannot run gnome-appearance-properties... it segfaults...
[17:44] <Roe1> gdb trace: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt | apport log: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/apport.crash
[18:17] <Oli```> Roe1: I've been having that for the last few days but just now (when I checked) it works again. Are you syncing with the main repo or are you on a local one closer to you?
[18:47] <haluk> hi, im using hardy heron and during the yi installation it depends libghc6-regex-compat-dev but i can't find in the repos. Do u have a suggestion?
[18:59] <stdin> haluk: the package ghc6 provides that
[19:00] <tretle> hi i was just wondering if someone could tell me  why xorg.conf 1 and xorg.conf 2 are there and whether they affect the system?
[19:00] <haluk> stdin, unfortunately it doesnt. ghc6 is installed but it doesn't provide
[19:01] <tretle> i understand why xorg.conf and xorg.conf failsafe are there
[19:01] <haluk> stdin, by the way libghc6-regex-compat-dev is in gutsy repos.
[19:02] <tretle> I am one of the guys that had the mouse not working isue and things went badly and ended up replacing xorg.conf with the failsafe one and then deleting xorg1 and 2 and now im trying to replace all of them with the gutsy ones to see if that makes a difference
[19:03] <stdin> haluk: apt-cache show ghc6 shows "Provides: ghc, haskell-compiler, libghc6-array-dev, libghc6-base-dev, libghc6-bytestring-dev, libghc6-cabal-dev, libghc6-containers-dev, libghc6-directory-dev, libghc6-filepath-dev, libghc6-haskell98-dev, libghc6-hpc-dev, libghc6-old-locale-dev, libghc6-old-time-dev, libghc6-packedstring-dev, libghc6-pretty-dev, libghc6-process-dev, libghc6-random-dev, libghc6-readline-dev, libghc6-rts-dev, libghc6-template-haskell-d
[19:03] <stdin> ev, libghc6-unix-dev"
[19:24] <ubuntu> hi; i'm on a fresh ubuntu hardy aplha4 and i can't install the restricted nvidia driver for my geforce 7600 go; jockey-gtk (system/administration/driver setup) crash when trying to install the driver; can anybody, please, help me? is this a bug? is the nvidia binary module for 2.6.24-5 kernel missing?
[19:29] <ubun2> nobody here can help me?
[19:37] <Roe1> @Oli I use a dutch mirror
[19:39] <Roe1> @Oli``` I use a dutch mirror
[19:40] <Assid> man.. i strongly suggest having the package for controling the brightness on lcd's fixed
[19:41] <Assid> it keeps changing the brightness and bugging me more than any crash
[19:43] <ubun2> Assid: hi; i spoke to you yesterday; i was on kubuntu; now i'm on ubuntu hardy estralpha4; same thing is happening with nvidia restricted driver; can you, please, help me?
[19:43] <ubun2> *ubuntu hardy aplha 4
[19:45] <ubun2> i'm on a fresh ubuntu hardy aplha4 and i can't install the restricted nvidia driver for my geforce 7600 go; jockey-gtk (system/administration/driver setup) crash when trying to install the driver; can anybody, please, help me? is this a bug? is the nvidia binary module for 2.6.24-5 kernel missing?
[19:46] <bardyr_> ubotu, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[19:46] <bardyr_> ubun2, ^^
[19:47] <ubun2> bardyr_: there is no nvidia-glx-new
[19:47] <ubun2> synaptic doesn't show it
[19:47] <Roe1> My gnome-appearance-properties is still segfaulting
[19:47] <Roe1> nobody any ideas?
[19:47] <bardyr_> ubun2, strange, im using atm with your card :)
[19:48] <Roe1> it faults in libc while creating a thumbnail.
[19:48] <bardyr_> ubun2, have you enabled the multiverse/restricted software sources
[19:48] <Assid> ubun2: did it install the driver from the driver manager?
[19:49] <Roe1> the screen shown shows all thumbnails for themes there except for the Custom theme (I see this screen because I run it in gdb of course)
[19:49] <ubun2> bardyr_: sorry, my mistake; in synaptic is not shown but it is installing from the command line :| but this is still very strage - on kubuntu it doesn't install neither from command line nor from adept
[19:49] <ubun2> Assid: driver manager crash
[19:49] <Assid> crash ?
[19:49] <Roe1> Oli``` also had this problem, but it solved itself for him, wondering how I might do this myself
[19:49] <ubun2> Assid: it just sent its report to ubuntu
[19:50] <Assid> weird m8.. weird.. i got an nvidia card on my desktop.. it works fine there
[19:50] <Assid> although i hate the idea it saves the time inUTC
[19:50] <Assid> dualbooting causes issues
[19:50] <Assid> err bbiab.. star trek
[19:51] <ubun2> Assid: i believe you; but belive me - on kubuntu hardu alpha 4 refuses to install (missing?) from terminal/konsole and it doesn't shoe in adept neither
[19:51] <Assid> weird.. report it ?
[19:51] <Assid> brb
[19:51] <ubun2> Assid: i'll do it
[19:53] <niklas> I have problem with audio when am playing a movie. It disappears maybe 10 seconds and is working 45 sec. Then 10 seconds again and so on. I have had this problem before and I did something with ubuntu 7.10. Am currently using 8.04 alpha4. Please advice
[19:53] <Roe1> what does top say?
[19:54] <niklas> Roe1, you mean me?
[19:54] <Roe1> niklas: sorry, yes
[19:55] <niklas> Roe1, top says that vlc is using 7% of the cpu. Everything seems normal
[19:55] <nanonyme> 7% constantly?
[19:55] <Roe1> niklas, okay, and are you running tracker by any chance?
[19:55] <niklas> naa, its now 8.3%. An now 6.0%
[19:56] <niklas> idle is on 80-85%
[19:57] <niklas> Yeah, I do running tracker
[19:57] <niklas> It's currently searching... I think...
[19:57] <Roe1> niklas: try running: sudo pkill -9 tracker
[19:57] <Roe1> and see if it helps
[19:58] <niklas> okay, lets see
[19:58] <niklas> Okay. it did not disappeared.
[19:59] <Roe1> niklas: and: ps aux | grep tracker    doesn't show tracker running anymore?
[20:00] <niklas> Roe1, Yeah, a tracker is running. Killing that one too
[20:00] <Andre_Gondim> when I starting alpha 4 I have this http://pastebin.ca/891614 and stops in bash, I need to write exit to continuos, what does I need to do?
[20:01] <niklas> Roe1, Na, it was not running. confused. hehe. Tracker is not running! I had the same problem with ubuntu 7.10 on this problem. I rerun some configuration and the problem was gone. I think.... ;-)
[20:02] <Roe1> niklas: kk, I had the problem with tracker several times, well, it was worth a shot, sorry...
[20:03] <Roe1> @anyone: really noone any idea on gnome-appearance-properties segfaulting??
[20:03] <Roe1> or at least a confirmation?
[20:04] <bardyr_> Roe1, what does the terminal say?
[20:04] <Roe1> (gnome-appearance-properties:32091): appearance-properties-WARNING **: Unknown Tag: comment
[20:04] <Roe1> (gnome-appearance-properties:32091): appearance-properties-WARNING **: Unknown Tag: comment
[20:04] <Roe1> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[20:05] <Roe1> gdb says it segfaults at libc after creating a thumbnail
[20:05] <niklas> Am gonna reboot and plug in my soundblaster live! card instead...
[20:05] <Roe1> gdb trace: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt | apport log: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/apport.crash
[20:10] <Roe1>  echo "print all" | sudo parted -s /dev/sda print all
[20:11] <Roe1> Andre_Gondim^^
[20:11] <Roe1> replace /dev/sda with /dev/hda
[20:11] <Roe1> let's get an idea of your setup first
[20:12] <Roe1> bardyr_: any ideas?
[20:13] <Andre_Gondim> Roe1, http://pastebin.ca/891624
[20:15] <Roe1> @Andre_Gondim: so it is checking /dev/hdc1 which does not exist as a partition on any harddrive....
[20:16] <Roe1> what does you /etc/fstab say?
[20:16] <Andre_Gondim> Roe1, but does not have this partition in fstab, how do Ubuntu do this?
[20:17] <Andre_Gondim> Roe1, sorry I'm wrong, there was, I comented
[20:18] <Roe1> @Andre_Gondim: well, reboot, let us know if it works
[20:18] <Roe1> I think it will...
[20:18] <Roe1> I wonder how it got there....
[20:18] <Andre_Gondim> Roe1, thanks =]
[20:18] <Roe1> ur welcome
[20:19] <Roe1> still hoping for anyone to confirm or help me with my gnome-appearance-properties.....
[20:21] <PriceChild> Roe1, what is up with it?
[20:22] <Roe1> it segfaults
[20:22] <Roe1> read my posts around 09:04 PM
[20:27] <Assid> err.. someone should update the ubuntu database to have 8.3 as stable for postgres
[20:39] <Roe1> well if nobody has an idea
[20:39] <Roe1> I'll just wait for it to be fixed in a new package version or something...
[20:42] <Roe1> anyway thx
[22:51] <Dr_Willis> Howdys all. Day 2 of testing out hardy. - Anyone else notice the default shadow colors for compiz  being like.. err.. Purplish-red?
[23:13] <Dr_Willis> Does the avahi ssh browser work for anyone?  Its not seeing my other 2 linux machines here.
[23:24] <thorns> Hey everyone!
[23:24] <thorns> I want to install kde4-core on a fresh new install of Hardy.
[23:24] <thorns> I'm sure you can tell me what's not working, right?
[23:26] <thorns> It's a dependancy issue. It wants to remove kde3 and its software packages, but it doesn't after I accept the solution from aptitude.
[23:27] <thorns> Oh, it's not installable.
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> Not a lot of chatting in here right now. :)
[23:27] <thorns> :-/
[23:28] <thorns> Yeah, I don't mind.
[23:28] <thorns> Ah I think I found the issue. :)
[23:28] <thorns> Pretty stupid of me, I'm just not that fast minded.
[23:29] <thorns> kdebase-kde4, -runtime and -workspace are not available
[23:29] <thorns> Probably not built yet for Hardy
[23:30] <thorns> More the less for amd64
[23:30] <thorns> Then I'll wait.
[23:51] <hmuller> Evening all, I've been trying to tackle pulseaudio on the desktop amd64 alpha 4 and not having any luck
[23:52] <hmuller> anyone present familiar enough with pulseaudio to provide any pointers?
[23:53] <crimsun> sure, what do you need?
[23:54] <hmuller> I'm new to pulseaudio, have read pulseaudio on the ubuntu wiki, and pulseaudio's perfectsetup...
[23:54] <hmuller> have tried those methods and additional found using google...
[23:55] <hmuller> just trying to get sound working like it did in Gutsy
[23:55] <crimsun> well, does ALSA work properly?
[23:55] <crimsun> in a Terminal:  pasuspender -- aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[23:56] <crimsun> meaning:  is that sound audible?
[23:56] <hmuller> I'm back in Gutsy ... I'll have to log back in to Hardy to test that
[23:57] <hmuller> I've tried aplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav, which didn't display an error, but didn't play any sound either
[23:57] <crimsun> much of my live troubleshooting mandates you actually be running the "problematic" install
[23:57] <hmuller> go on ...
[23:57] <crimsun> (I'm waiting for you to actually reboot into hardy.)
[23:58] <hmuller> ah... back soon