[02:28] <JohnC> Hi all
[02:39] <JohnC> can anyone help me to get started?
[02:39] <JohnC> i'm kinda lost atm
[02:39] <Toma-> started with what?
[02:40] <JohnC> welll i've joined groups and what not, launchpad, etc
[02:40] <JohnC> but how do i actually get involved with designing artwork?
[02:41] <Toma-> design something, add it to the wiki, spam it on the mailing list or in here
[02:41] <Toma-> thats one approach
[02:41] <JohnC> lol ok
[02:41] <Toma-> constructive criticism on the mailing list is another good one
[02:41] <Toma-> but its alot more productive to actually do some work than point out small problems
[02:41] <JohnC> my wiki won't seem to save personal settings
[02:41] <JohnC> its taking 4eva
[02:42] <JohnC> yeh i want to do work
[02:43] <JohnC> but i don't know where to start, how to view where the current theme is headed and add to it? Where can i see the most recent artwork?
[03:44] <nothlit> yeah the personal settings, they're incredibly laggy-- if its not important just leave it alone
[04:17] <troy_s> JohnC: What are youlooking for?
[04:17] <JohnC> i'm not sure exactly, i just don't know where to look or where to contribute
[04:18] <JohnC> or where to see what way the project is headed, is there a color pallette for all to use or anything like that?
[04:18] <troy_s> JohnC: there is no contribution.  there never has been really.  occasionally for one reason or another a tidbit gets integrated with random decisiveness.
[04:18] <troy_s> JohnC: Nope.  Nothing.
[04:18] <JohnC> oh so its sort of just here's a suggestion use it if you want
[04:18] <troy_s> JohnC: Not even that.
[04:18] <JohnC> well whats the point of i tall
[04:18] <troy_s> JohnC: There isn't one.
[04:19] <JohnC> it* all*
[04:19] <JohnC> lol
[04:19] <JohnC> ridiculous
[04:19] <troy_s> JohnC: It is what it is.
[04:19] <troy_s> JohnC: Truth be told, there is _some_ point to it -- occasionally you will bump into an individual or what not that you might spawn some sort of creative relationship with.
[04:19] <JohnC> i see
[04:20] <troy_s> JohnC: The reality is that it is a highly coveted distribution from the hierarchy at the top of Canonical.  The 'need' isn't exactly there.
[04:21] <JohnC> yeh
[04:21] <troy_s> JohnC: And from a community standpoint, there still exists the inability to deal with fundamental design principles and concepts.
[04:21] <troy_s> JohnC: All in all, more or less the same state of affairs across FOSS.
[04:22] <JohnC> it would just be nice if there was a system where canonical gives out a template of all the things it needs then designers put in a sample and a few are selected to do the artwork for the entire OS or something like that
[04:23] <troy_s> JohnC: Canonical is no more enlightened than the bulk of the community when it comes to the complexities of art and design.
[04:24] <troy_s> JohnC: It would seem logical that process is a critical element, but to be honest, the current state of affairs would dictate that it falls in around 67th important factor.
[04:24] <troy_s> JohnC: With art and design 101 probably falling in first.
[04:24] <troy_s> JohnC: Maybe even a precursory high-school study in art and design instead of 101.  ;)
[04:25] <JohnC> haha
[04:25] <JohnC> well is anyone interested in my work?
[04:26] <troy_s> JohnC: I might be.  Link to your work?
[04:26] <JohnC> http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6747/wall1md6.jpg
[04:26] <JohnC> i've only done one thing so far
[04:26] <JohnC> i only just got on 2day
[04:26] <JohnC> its a draft too
[04:26] <troy_s> JohnC: Hrm...
[04:27] <JohnC> i didn't try to do anything special i've only just started it as a concept, meh its a waste of time tho right?
[04:27] <JohnC> i'm used to doing different stuff tho
[04:27] <troy_s> JohnC: Nothing ever is a waste of time.
[04:27] <troy_s> JohnC: At the very least, doing leads to learning.
[04:27] <JohnC> http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8849/originalyx2.png
[04:28] <JohnC> this is stuff like i normally do
[04:28] <troy_s> JohnC: What are you seeking?
[04:29] <JohnC> i just think ubuntu and similar open source OS are great, i just wanted to get involved
[04:29] <JohnC> i'm just a student in Nanotechnology who does graphics in his spare time
[04:30] <troy_s> JohnC: Interesting.
[04:31] <JohnC> was that graphic any good?
[04:32] <JohnC> it would be nice to know if i am any good at design from someone who knows what they are talking about
[04:33] <troy_s> JohnC: Well you certainly don't have the right guy if you are looking for someone who knows what they are talking about.
[04:33] <JohnC> hahaha
[04:33] <JohnC> well did u like it then?
[04:34] <troy_s> JohnC: Which one?
[04:34] <troy_s> JohnC: The wallpaper?
[04:34] <JohnC> either
[04:35] <troy_s> JohnC: I am not a fan of branding.
[04:36] <troy_s> JohnC: Both works seem to also suffer from a need for a more carefully considered tonal range or palette.  Some fundamental colour theory might help?
[04:36] <JohnC> branding?
[04:36] <troy_s> JohnC: The Ubuntu logo in this case.  Also, compositionally, I believe the works could be elevated with a little more formal knowledge.
[04:37] <JohnC> well i just do it for fun
[04:37] <JohnC> i'm not planning to do a course in it or anything
[04:38] <troy_s> JohnC: Even a brief look at wikipedia might help with some of the more familiar concepts of classical composition.
[04:39] <JohnC> ok
[04:39] <JohnC> thanks
[04:39] <troy_s> JohnC: Nice chatting with you.
[11:30] <elwo0d> hi all
[15:25] <kwwii> ok, time to answer emails
[15:25] <kwwii> btw, I pushed some updates to the simplified icons
[15:25] <kwwii> I think that we should go with the simple 2D version for now, perhaps looking into the etched stuff in the future, once we have the basic shapes figured out
[15:26] <kwwii> anyway, the simple 2D stuff will match the text which is already on the panel
[18:25] <kwwii> _MMA_: you have sponsorship for the next UDS?