[00:05] <ubotu> New bug: #188788 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] X uses vesa driver rather then ati" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188788
[00:31] <ubotu> New bug: #188792 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Incorrect default resolution with Radeon9200SE and CRT over VGA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188792
[00:41] <ubotu> New bug: #184715 in xorg (main) "Odd behavior with H193Wk display at 1440x900." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184715
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #188787 in wacom-tools (main) "no wacom tablet driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188787
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #188822 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (main) "[Gutsy] X crash when evdev used "Dev Phys" instead of device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188822
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #188848 in compiz (main) "[Gusty-Hardy] 3D effects incompatible with some programs (dup-of: 147359)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188848
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #188851 in xorg (main) "keypad doesn't work in gnome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188851
[07:24] <soren> I have a patch for the vmware video driver.. What's easiest? Send to you guys and you'll apply, upload and forward to Debian? 
[07:25] <soren> (It simply adds /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/vmware.ids)
[07:38] <bryce> forwarding to debian is easiest
[07:38] <bryce> we like to sync stuff as much as possible
[08:11] <soren> Ok. I wasn't sure if you might have access to their git repo or something.
[08:15] <bryce> timo probably does; I don't
[08:15] <bryce> night
[08:18] <soren> 'night :)
[08:18] <soren> tjaalton: Do you?
[08:19] <tjaalton> soren: yes (and bryce does too :)
[08:20] <soren> Haha! Ok :)
[08:21] <soren> tjaalton: Can I just send the patch to you and you can apply and such?
[08:21] <tjaalton> soren: sure
[08:26] <soren> tjaalton: http://people.ubuntu.com/~soren/vmware-pci-ids.diff
[08:31] <tjaalton> soren: thanks, looks sane
[08:33] <pwnguin> hmm. wacom appears fixed even though i dont think any packages changed
[08:33] <soren> Thanks, I guess :)
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #188869 in xorg (main) "[hardy] Xorg crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188869
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #188913 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "X don't run correctly with my ATI Mobility 7000" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188913
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #188951 in xorg (main) ""dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" aborts prematurely" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188951
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #184348 in xorg (main) "VLC, FileZilla, Kdenlive, aMule" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184348
[15:36] <ubotu> New bug: #188545 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 (main) "no full screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188545
[16:30] <ubotu> New bug: #188975 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Broadcom bcm4306 rev 3 chipset not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188975
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #188993 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "No support for Radeon HD 2900 Pro via adapters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188993
[17:11] <bryce> morning
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #46814 in xorg (main) "Shift+Backspace Kill X" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46814
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #96245 in mesa (main) "[via] glxgears and screensavers displaying outside the preview window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96245
[19:32] <tjaalton> bryce: hey
[19:32] <tjaalton> bryce: you actually do have commit access to git.d.o :)
[20:05] <ubotu> New bug: #189042 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "wine crashed with "Error of failed request:  GLXBadContext" fglrx & AIGLX are enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189042
[20:09] <bryce> tjaalton: btw when do plan to switch us back to XAA?
[20:25] <ubotu> New bug: #189051 in xorg (main) "No Screen Resolutions can be adjusted on Dell 1721" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189051
[21:01] <ubotu> New bug: #189007 in ubuntu "Trackpad scrollbar not working in Hardy Alpha 4 (dup-of: 173411)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189007
[21:02] <tjaalton> bryce: right, I guess we already decided to go back to XAA, so it's just a matter of doing the actual upload
[21:03] <tjaalton> on the other hand, I'm now running compiz on my 965GM with "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy", and things seem to work fine
[21:03] <tjaalton> like no corrupted window shadows, scrolling in firefox is pretty snappy etc
[21:04] <bryce> really...  huh
[21:04] <bryce> what is MigrationHeuristic?  is that new?
[21:06] <tjaalton> man exa
[21:06] <bryce> ah
[21:06] <bryce> do you think that'll give a sufficient solution that we won't need to switch back to XAA?
[21:07] <tjaalton> I'Ãm not sure yet, it might have some other issues
[21:12] <bdmurray> Is anybody familiar with the framebuffer driver and how usplash uses it?
[21:15] <bdmurray> tjaalton: you commented on bug 129910 right?
[21:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910
[21:16] <tjaalton> bdmurray: argh.. yep :)
[21:19] <bdmurray> tjaalton: What I'm really curious about is bug 147623 and the source of that problem.  Do the framebuffer drivers only work with certain cards?
[21:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147623 in usplash "[EM64T + nvidia 8xxx]When booting, screen stays black." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147623
[21:24] <bryce> http://bryceharrington.org/files/screenrez_1.png
[21:31] <tjaalton> bdmurray: it seems to have issues with 64bit and nvidia..
[21:31] <tjaalton> bryce: woo, you fixed displayconfig-gtk?
[21:32] <bryce> tjaalton: actually check the title
[21:34] <tjaalton> oh is that the gnome capplet?
[21:34] <bryce> yup
[21:40] <bdmurray> tjaalton: right, come to find out I have hardware around here where I should be able to recreate it.  Is it an issue with the kernel framebuffer driver?
[21:41] <tjaalton> bdmurray: we don't use a fb driver by default
[21:44] <bdmurray> tjaalton: okay, if you have an idea what is going on could you explain it to me?  I'm uncertain as to what is used.
[21:46] <tjaalton> bdmurray: I'm not too familiar with it.. mjg59 should be able to fill in the details
[21:47] <bdmurray> tjaalton: okay, thanks!
[21:47] <tjaalton> bdmurray: I've got a nvidia 8600GT, and could test a 64bit livecd to see if I'm able to reproduce it
[21:48] <bdmurray> tjaalton: I'll be testing it shortly with an 8300 which I think should have the same results
[21:49] <tjaalton> bdmurray: yeah, G80-series both
[22:05] <pwnguin> is it a bug in wacom tools or in xorg if you still need an xorg.conf to use wacom?
[22:05] <tjaalton> wacom
[22:06] <tjaalton> although we still don't use input-hotplug by default
[22:47] <bryce> http://bryceharrington.org/files/screenrez_2.png
[22:57] <ubotu> New bug: #183502 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[hardy] Intel graphics (965) slowed down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183502
[23:03] <tjaalton> hmm, seems that the option for intel makes it use more power..
[23:04] <tjaalton> bryce: will it change the xorg.conf?
[23:05] <bryce> tjaalton: no, this one will be xrandr 1.2 based
[23:05] <bryce> so it will be doing everything on the fly
[23:05] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, but we'll keep dc-gtk as well?
[23:05] <bryce> for now, but the goal is to deprecate it
[23:05] <bryce> it's too broken
[23:05] <tjaalton> ok
[23:06] <bryce> but I don't have anything better to use for bulletproof-x mode presently
[23:06] <bryce> but I might be able to shoehorn DCG to work adequately in that mode since I control the input xorg.conf there
[23:08] <tjaalton> yep
[23:08] <seb128> hey bryce
[23:08] <bryce> hi seb128
[23:09] <seb128> bryce: about the keyboard issue, Hobbsee has the same bug, she confirmed using xev that she gets the same events
[23:09] <seb128> bryce: so that's not specific to the layout used
[23:10] <bryce> I saw that.  but while that rules out one possibility, the other things still need to be tested
[23:10] <seb128> bryce: downgrading the xserver-xorg-input-xkb package is not trivial because the input methods changed or something and the gutsy version doesn't install on gutsy, would a rebuild on hardy do the trick?
[23:10] <tjaalton> a rebuild would work
[23:10] <seb128> bryce: what other things? I use no virtualization
[23:10] <seb128> I'll try the rebuild and downgrade
[23:11] <seb128> tjaalton: thanks
[23:11] <tjaalton> unless the new server _requires_ the newer driver
[23:11] <tjaalton> I'm not sure
[23:11] <tjaalton> maybe something to push upstream
[23:11] <tjaalton> the bug
[23:12] <tjaalton> whot is pretty responsive
[23:12] <bryce> well, basically at this point we need to narrow in what is causing the issue, and so far we've only ruled _out_ possibilities
[23:17] <bryce> tjaalton, yeah maybe pushing it upstream would be good since we don't know what more to do to troubleshoot
[23:17] <bryce> (unless you have ideas, or unless downgrading shows something illuminating)
[23:18] <tjaalton> I bet the error goes away with evdev..
[23:18] <tjaalton> hmm, gravity is online
[23:24] <tjaalton> ok, bedtime.. night ->
[23:25] <bryce> http://bryceharrington.org/files/screenrez_3.png