[00:50]  * nixternal kicks kpov hard
[00:51]  * ScottK read cprov at first there and wondere'd what he'd done now.
[00:52] <nixternal> lol
[00:53] <nixternal> trying to get a grip on the truetype garbage, came close but was attacked at about 80% by it again, as well as opengl stuff
[01:10] <vorian> nixternal: kpov still?
[01:10] <vorian> how about ligature?
[01:10] <vorian> :)
[01:11] <nixternal> vorian: ya, still the same with kpov
[01:11] <nixternal> ligature was pulled for this release
[01:12] <vorian> good :)
[01:12] <nixternal> hey, work on kgrab again...never mind what I said, however, let me get you the tarball to work with
[01:12] <Jucato> kpov = kde point of view?
[01:12] <ScottK> Pulled ligature sounds painful
[01:12] <vorian> nixternal: really?
[01:12] <Jucato> ScottK: hahah! :)
[01:12] <nixternal> heh
[01:12] <vorian> nixternal: the "author" said he was happy to become compliant
[01:13] <nixternal> I am not to worried about it now
[01:14] <vorian> that's cool
[01:18] <nixternal> vorian: actually, linke me to your kgrab package
[01:18] <nixternal> I will pull in your stuff, build and commit from here
[01:19] <nixternal> I will patch up the copyright file if it needs it
[01:19] <vorian> hold on
[01:20] <nixternal> I didn't want to recreate the package earlier and not be able to give you the karma
[01:20] <vorian> nixternal: looks like someone nuked it
[01:20] <nixternal> ey?
[01:20] <nixternal> oh, I did, I thought you went to your ppa with it :)
[01:20] <vorian> I'll upload it again
[01:20] <vorian> not with the revised version
[01:20] <vorian> oh, wait
[01:20] <nixternal> ya, that is fine...I will patch it up and reupload to revu so I can get another motu to ack it and upload it
[01:21] <vorian> nixternal: http://ppa.launchpad.net/vorian/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kgrab-kde4/kgrab-kde4_0.1.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[01:21] <nixternal> roger, thanks
[01:21] <vorian> thanks to you :)
[01:22] <nixternal> Riddell: how can I get this package to use the FindFreetype.cmake (kpovmodeler)?
[01:22] <dasKreech> nixternal: I didn't do anything
[01:22] <nixternal> this is getting annoying..I would think this would be fixed upstream in the CMakelists.txt file
[01:23] <nixternal> dasKreech: stop it, change your name already :p
[01:23] <ScottK2> What does "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=Scribus" in the packages .desktop do?
[01:24] <ScottK2> and would it be harmless for Debian to add (I'm guessing yes)?
[01:24] <nixternal> kpovmodeler doesn't even build from svn either
[01:24] <vorian> nixternal: also lemon should recommend mysql-client-5.0
[01:24] <vorian> I am making that change now
[01:25] <nixternal> please do then reupload to revu, and then make note of it with a comment on revu
[01:25] <vorian> roger
[01:25] <nixternal> err, mysql client?
[01:25] <vorian> yeah
[01:25] <vorian> point of sale systems record data
[01:25] <vorian> plus i was just testing it out
[01:26] <nixternal> ya, sorry, I was thinking about something else
[01:26] <nixternal> brainfart
[01:26] <vorian> lol
[01:26] <vorian> you were thinking p.o.s. :P
[01:26] <dasKreech> vorian: Yes?
[01:27] <vorian> piece of s*
[01:29] <nixternal> yup
[01:29] <nixternal> OK...it is time I download all of the CMake docs I can and get to reading
[01:56] <nixternal> go figure, kpovmodeler CMakeLists.txt isn't configured correctly, at least from what I can tell
[01:56] <Jucato> kpovmodeler exists again?
[01:56] <nixternal> Freetype and OpenGL are required, however CMakeLists.txt doesn't have either find_package(Freetype REQUIRED) nor find_package(OpenGL REQUIRED)
[01:57] <nixternal> I guess it does, it was included in the extragear tagging
[01:57] <Jucato> pfft.... extragear is becoming kdeaddons...
[01:57] <jjesse> evening and good morning gentleman
[01:57] <jjesse> :)
[01:58] <nixternal> now after those edits, I will see if it builds now
[01:58] <nixternal> howdy jjesse
[01:58] <jjesse> howdy nixternal
[01:58]  * nixternal goes and makes a chicken sammich
[01:58] <nixternal> back in a few
[01:58] <Jucato> hi jjesse
[01:58] <jjesse> hello Jucato
[01:59] <jjesse> just for the record, whoever said multiple version of the .NET framework can exist on the saem server lied
[02:00] <Jucato> :)
[02:00] <jjesse> running into problems w/ the 1.1 framework and the 3.0 framework fighting for iis
[02:00] <nixternal> wait a second, the 3.0 framework doesn't include backwards compatibility for the 1.1 stuff?
[02:01] <nixternal> didn't the 2.0 framework at least allow for that to occur?
[02:01] <jjesse> the 2.0 did, having problems with the 3.0
[02:01] <nixternal> hell, shows you how much I pay attention to .NET...didn't even know they had a 3.0
[02:02] <jjesse> current version is 3.5
[02:02] <nixternal> do you guys use .NET a lot with your stuff?
[02:03] <jjesse> all the time
[02:03] <nixternal> do you like it?
[02:03] <jjesse> i don't do time dev work w/ it, but i like how the product uses it
[02:03] <jjesse> currently reading .net framework essentials book
[02:03] <nixternal> I have taken a few .NET classes now, and overall, I do not like it..there are some things that are cool, especially when tying stuff in to databases and what not quite easily
[02:04] <nixternal> ie. it is fairly easy to dev on
[02:04] <jjesse> i agree, prodcut i consult on runs on iis, .net and sql server
[02:04] <nixternal> I went and saw this guy mimic both the Apple website and the Microsoft website using Symphony, Rails, and something else
[02:04] <nixternal> that was pretty cool
[02:04] <jjesse> that is prretty cool
[02:05] <nixternal> and he did it fast
[02:05] <nixternal> in 30 minutes, he had a framework up that mimiced apple.com
[02:05] <nixternal> within the hour he was mimicing msdn stuff
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: awww, i don't get to come, i suppose
[02:06] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you have to get a passport/visa for the stick before you can go :)
[02:06] <jjesse> go where? can i drive?
[02:06] <nixternal> jjesse: if you can, you are one bad mofo
[02:06] <nixternal> eastern europe somewhere for UDS
[02:06] <jjesse> that would be sweet
[02:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i've already got a passport
[02:07]  * Hobbsee just didn't get offered spondosrhsip
[02:07] <nixternal> I have to get my unpaid parking tickets taken care of before Illinois will update my passport
[02:07] <jjesse> haha
[02:07] <jjesse> i didn't know they were doing sponsorships already
[02:07] <jjesse> that's cool
[02:07] <nixternal> all of this crap just kicked in January 1st
[02:08] <nixternal> my x-wife checked on base and they said I shouldn't have an issue getting a passport updated in Maryland since they don't follow Illinois parking tickets :)
[02:08] <Hobbsee> they were talking about it before
[02:08] <jjesse> walking the dog
[02:08] <nixternal> I will need to pool a bit of cash if I can get there
[02:09] <nixternal> come May, if I am not working, I will be flat arse broke
[02:09] <nixternal> I might have just been offered a job working on opensource software though, and I am sure they will let me go if I am working for them then
[02:09] <Gabz^laptop> Is kdm broken or is it just my ati card ?
[02:10] <nixternal> probably both :)
[02:10]  * dasKreech has run .NET 2.0 with 3.1
[02:10] <dasKreech> I'd advise Killing 1.x
[02:10] <nixternal> Gabz^laptop: which KDM? 3 or 4
[02:10] <Gabz^laptop> whatever the default is off a the latest altnerate cd is
[02:10] <Gabz^laptop> or how to i check ?
[02:11] <dasKreech> released alternate or daily ?
[02:12] <Gabz^laptop> alpha 4
[02:14] <nixternal> should be KDM 3...what is it doing that it isn't working?
[02:14]  * nixternal notes he has ATI card and KDM works fine
[02:15] <Gabz^laptop> it doesn't display the mouse moves around fine the caps lock key doesn't light up on press through
[02:15] <Gabz^laptop> there is some garble on the top of the screen
[02:16] <nixternal> hrmm
[02:21] <Gabz^laptop> so it half looks like a kernel panic...
[02:31] <nixternal> Riddell: just so you know, I made a patch for kpovmodeler as it is what I believe it needed...I made the necessary changes to the CMakeLists.txt and committed it to KDE svn as well
[02:32]  * nixternal goes and eats for real this time
[02:37] <Jucato> wow! go go kde svn commiter!!
[02:37] <Jucato> nixternal: what's for dinner? :D
[02:48] <dasKreech> Jucato: Chicken Sammich
[02:48] <Jucato> O.o
[02:49] <dasKreech> you are vegetarian?
[02:50] <Jucato> no!
[02:50] <Jucato> I was asking nixternal of course, not you :P
[02:50] <Jucato> coincidentally, I'm having cordon bleu for lunch :D
[02:50] <Jucato> which is chicken :D
[02:51]  * dasKreech chuckles
[02:51] <dasKreech> I have Cheese pasta
[02:51] <Jucato> grr!!
[02:51] <Jucato> you're making me hungrier
[02:51] <Jucato> right... lunch... nvm laundry
[02:53] <dasKreech> Hobbsee: Where is UDS?
[02:54] <ScottK2> dasKreech: It's not announced yet.  Earlier today R!ddell mentioned eastern europe.
[02:54] <dasKreech> Ah ok
[02:54] <dasKreech> That's kinda  trek for me
[02:55] <Hobbsee> what ScottK2 said
[02:57] <dasKreech> are we going to start shipping with Koffice?
[02:58] <seele> man, they should have it in the US again.  its so cheap for everyone else to fly here :P
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:59]  * Hobbsee tickles seele
[03:00]  * seele waves
[03:01] <dasKreech> seele: it'll be close next year :)
[03:25] <jjesse> ok interseting question, install of hardy of the latest alpha, ewhne i go to session type it only shows kde, not kde or kde4
[03:26] <jjesse> shouldn't it show both kde4 and kde3?
[03:28] <yuriy> jjesse: you have to install kde4
[03:29] <jjesse> hrmm ok
[03:29] <jjesse> maybe i just still am misunderstand
[03:29] <jjesse> ing
[03:32] <jjesse> even on hardy i need to isntall kde4?
[03:33] <dasKreech> hunger_t: hey-o
[03:33] <dasKreech> judging from the instructions I saw on the site it looks like you install then install KDE4
[03:33] <vorian> jjesse: yep
[03:34] <jjesse> when will the first kde4 hardy cds come out?
[03:46] <nixternal> jjesse: next week hopefully
[03:46] <Hobbsee> no cds for you.
[03:47] <nixternal> gotta wait for an infrastructure change
[03:47] <jjesse> grumble :)
[03:47]  * dasKreech still votes on two PPAs
[03:47] <nixternal> what for?
[03:48] <dasKreech> one for stable one for Weekly builds of trunk
[03:48] <Hobbsee> the problem there is more the people that want to do the trunk builds
[03:48] <nixternal> we don't need to build kde 4 weekly anymore
[03:49] <nixternal> plus now that kde 4 is officially released, we really want to follow their release schedule now..it is the proper thing to do
[03:52] <yuriy> are the taskbar fixes in 4.0.x? if not, i think they should be backported, they are rather important for a usable desktop
[03:53] <Gabz^laptop> nixternal, i found my bug by the way https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/180343
[03:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180343 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "ATI driver update causes Display Corruption on Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350  (dup-of: 133192)" [High,Triaged]
[03:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133192 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Blank screen or distorted image because of wrong default AGPMode value" [High,Confirmed]
[03:53] <nixternal> yuriy: they are almost all there
[03:53] <nixternal> the resizing was just added to branch/4.0.2
[03:54] <yuriy> nixternal: oh, nice : )
[03:55] <dasKreech> nixternal: Yeah we do need to build weekly
[03:56] <jjesse> seems like a lot of work?
[03:56] <nixternal> ya, to much work
[03:57] <nixternal> what is the command to find out which package a file belongs to?
[03:57] <dasKreech> !find echo
[03:57] <ubotu> Found: localechooser-data, echolot, echoping, libbusiness-onlinepayment-openecho-perl
[03:59] <Jucato> iirc dpkg -S <file> (presuming the .deb is still around. if not, you have to either use apt-file or packages.ubuntu.com...)
[03:59] <nixternal> derr, nevermind
[04:00]  * Jucato has forgetten Debiannese
[04:00] <nixternal> mesa-common-dev is what gl.h belongs to
[04:01] <nixternal> you shouldn't have to build-dep on mesa-common-dev though iirc
[04:02] <vorian> nixternal: libglu1-mesa-dev
[04:14] <jjesse> hrm maybe this is a sign, my vms are all locked up.... must be time to restart
[04:14] <jjesse> and go to be
[04:14] <jjesse> d
[04:14] <jjesse> night all
[04:28] <dasKreech> I think having a easy way for devs to jump into current KDE dev on our platform is a bonus
[04:28] <dasKreech>  more since many people see the potential of KDE4 but stll have lots of itches to scratch
[04:29] <nixternal> I am beyond the potential of KDE 4...everything I need to do on a daily basis I can do on it, and it doesn't crash but every-so-often
[04:29] <nixternal> and most of the crashes are silly krunner
[04:30] <nixternal> YES!
[04:30] <dasKreech>  :-) Yes but we have new frameworks coming in for 4.1 and apps that need to be built around them or ported to take advantage of them
[04:31] <dasKreech> having a way for people to simply track trunk would be very useful
[04:31] <nixternal> if ( jpatrick == true || apachelogger_ == true || ScottK2 == true ) { revu->package(kpovmodeler); }
[04:32] <nixternal> this->setUpload(now);
[04:48] <nixternal> ScottK2: you around at all? want to see if you can quickly review 2 packages so I can get them uploaded for tomorrow's 4.0.1 release
[05:27] <ScottK> nixternal: Can I look at them in the morning?
[05:27] <nixternal> maybe I can get someone else to look for them...if not then riddell can when he wakes up
[05:27] <nixternal> s/for/at
[05:27] <ScottK> nixternal: Point me at them and I'll have a look.
[05:28] <nixternal> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kpovmodeler-kde4
[05:28] <nixternal> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kgrab-kde4
[05:28] <ScottK2> looking
[05:28] <nixternal> kgrab should be fairly straight forward
[05:28] <nixternal> just say yay and I will archive and upload them
[05:29] <ScottK2> Can I assume the build and stuff
[05:29] <nixternal> yes
[05:29] <nixternal> on both i386 and amd64
[05:34] <ScottK2> nixternal: For kgrab either add a watch file or make me a promise it's in the Debian KDE svn tomorrow too.  With that I'm good.
[05:34] <nixternal> already in route to debian
[05:34] <ScottK2> Perfect.
[05:36] <ScottK2> nixternal: For kpovmodeler, why use kubuntu in the patch name?  You're sending this one to Debian too, right?
[05:36] <nixternal> nope, but will work with them on it
[05:36] <nixternal> gotta work around their naming for kde4 apps
[05:37] <nixternal> or work with it
[05:37] <ScottK2> nixternal: OK.  For kgrab did you want to make Kubuntu developers the maintainer?
[05:37] <ScottK2> Now's the time to sort it out.
[05:37] <nixternal> yup
[05:37] <nixternal> we have been doing that for KDE apps
[05:38] <ScottK2> nixternal: Your description needs work.  Don't whine about other stuff, just say what this does.  You can fix that later.
[05:38] <nixternal> ey? which pkg?
[05:38] <ScottK2> kpovmodeler
[05:38] <nixternal> hrmm, that is the description from teh kde 3 package
[05:38] <ScottK2> K
[05:38] <nixternal> I didn't even read it, just did a copy/paste
[05:38] <ScottK2> Including the Debian non-free ref?
[05:39] <nixternal> if it is int he description, then yes
[05:39] <ScottK2> This goes in multiverse, right?
[05:39] <ScottK2> It'll be non-free or need repacking in Debian due to GFDL.
[05:39] <nixternal> it is in main for kde 3, it is/was a part of the kdegraphics pkg
[05:40] <nixternal> umm, doesn't it specifically state there are no front or rear texts or invariant sections?
[05:41] <nixternal> it is in debian main
[05:41] <nixternal> for kde 3
[05:41] <ScottK2> OK.  Nevermind then, but if it depends on something non-free it should be in contirb.
[05:42] <nixternal> what is it depending on that is non-free?
[05:43] <ScottK2> + kpovmodeler uses the povray package, currently available only in Debian's
[05:43] <ScottK2> + non-free, unsupported repository.
[05:43] <ScottK2> That's in the long description.
[05:43] <nixternal> ahh ya
[05:44] <nixternal> ahh, it doesn't dep on povray, just suggests it right?
[05:44] <nixternal> http://packages.debian.org/etch/kpovmodeler
[05:44] <nixternal> it is in Debian's description as well
[05:44] <ScottK2> Dunno.  Just read the description.
[05:45] <ScottK2> It's a suggests.
[05:45] <ScottK2> Please change it to ... can use the povray package available in Ubuntu's multiverse repository ..
[05:45] <ScottK2> With that change, I'm good.
[05:46] <ScottK2> Same deal about watch file or get it in Debian
[05:46] <nixternal> yup
[05:46] <nixternal> ya, good call on the desc though for Ubuntu's repo
[05:46] <nixternal> shows you that we at least merge though :)
[05:46] <ScottK2> I'm marking my advocations down now.  Got ahead and upload and I'll archive after I advocate.
[05:47] <ScottK2> That's simple enough.
[05:47] <ScottK2> Unless we talk them into removing that bit entirely
[05:48] <ScottK2> nixternal: You need to advocate kgrab too
[05:49] <nixternal> ya, I am the one who uploaded it, so I will
[05:49] <nixternal> I just used vorian's stuff from last night
[05:49] <nixternal> so he gets the karma
[05:50] <ScottK2> OK.  Advocated and archived.  Go for it.
[05:50] <nixternal> thank you sir
[05:50] <nixternal> have a good night
[05:52] <ScottK2> You're welcome.  Good night.  BTW, the Scribus maintainer took me up on the offer to do a scrub of the Ubuntu diff and see what can be incorporated in Debian.  The idea being to see if we can get to a sync.
[05:53] <nixternal> groovy
[05:53] <Jucato> mm.... gravy....
[05:53] <nixternal> hehe
[05:56] <ScottK2> nixternal: I'd say go ahead and stuff them in their SVN.
[05:56] <nixternal> I was just thinking about doing that as well
[05:57] <ScottK2> They may not want it, but they can't bitch you didn't give it to them...
[05:57] <ScottK2> Lack of svn commits seemed to be an issue in todays back and forth
[09:01] <jpatrick> nixternal: if(jpatrick.getStatus() == "sleep") { packageRevu == false }; ;)
[09:02] <nixternal> haha
[09:03] <jpatrick> and now I'm in the libraby
[09:03] <nixternal> if (nixternal.getStatus() == "awake" && getTime(Chicago) >= 03:00) { sleep = 1; }
[09:03] <jpatrick> free internet!
[09:03] <jpatrick> what was the outcome of the debian thing?
[09:03] <nixternal> working together
[09:04] <jpatrick> yay \o/
[09:04] <nixternal> hehe
[09:07]  * nixternal beds
[09:07] <nixternal> k'nite
[09:07] <jpatrick> night nixternal
[09:08] <nixternal> when Riddell wakes up, let him know that both kgrab-kde4 and kpovmodeler-kde4 are in new
[09:09] <jpatrick> ok
[09:11]  * jpatrick smacks apachelogger__ for ScottK2 
[09:44] <dinosaur-rus> hi all
[09:44] <dinosaur-rus> emu: I've just realized that our calculations were completely wrong. we calculated total size of packages *after* installation, not *before* (size of all available .deb's)
[09:45] <emu> dinosaur-rus: yeah... I realized it to, we should have taken Size, and not Installed size
[09:48] <emu> dinosaur-rus: but its weird the "Size:" is much bigger, than "Installed size:" there is something wrong.
[09:48] <dinosaur-rus> emu: I doubt we'll be able to get that information without actually walking through directories of existing mirrors because I don't see any reason to store "package size" in package itself (it'll be just equal to size of .deb file)
[09:49] <emu> dinosaur-rus: Maybe we could genereate a list of _all_ packages and let apt-get make a dry run with this.
[09:50] <emu> that will show us how much have to be downloaded
[09:51] <emu> dinosaur-rus: I know that there is such a list on packages.ubuntu.com but this is currently down.
[09:53] <dinosaur-rus> emu: or get lots of free space on HDD and dump entire directory structure from existing mirror (or, better, several mirrors as you and server will get *huge* traffic)
[09:54] <apache|mobile> hmmm
[09:54] <apache|mobile> jpatrick: wha?
[09:54] <apache|mobile> where is master Riddell btw?
[09:55] <jpatrick> apache|mobile: nm, no idea
[10:01] <jpatrick> Riddell: yo
[10:02] <jpatrick> < nixternal> when Riddell wakes up, let him know that both kgrab-kde4 and kpovmodeler-kde4 are in new
[10:33] <gribelu> is there any chance of Kubuntu getting the recent plasma updates that allow panel resizing etc before KDE 4.0.2 will be released?
[10:36] <Trigger7> gribelu: were these changes backported to the 4.0 branch?
[10:36] <Jucato> for 4.0.2 afaik. didn't make it to the 4.0.1 cutoff
[10:37] <Jucato> (so unless Kubuntu starts releasing KDE 4 SVN packages, I doubt that...)
[10:37] <Trigger7> hm, that's great news
[10:37] <gribelu> i have no clue.. in only know what was mentioned here http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=806 and here http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-01-27/
[10:38] <gribelu> the info on commit-digest mentions the multi-row panel before 4.0.1 was tagged so maybe it'll have made it into 4.0.1
[10:38] <Trigger7> gribelu: this was committed to trunk, which will be 4.1. in theory the 4.0 branch gets no new features, just bug fixe
[10:39] <gribelu> :/
[10:39]  * Jucato thinks they made that an exception...
[10:39] <Jucato> you'll have to ask  nixternal. he said it's in branches for 4.0.2
[10:39] <gribelu> they should.. it's the first thing everyone complains about when they see kde4
[10:40] <Trigger7> nixternal: ^^
[10:40] <gribelu> oh so i'll bug nixternal when he wakes up
[10:54] <Trigger7> r769763 is what have been backported. seems as if it is just possible to resize the panel via config file now
[10:54] <Trigger7> but better than nothing
[11:09] <blizzzek> hi
[11:14] <apache|mobile__> Riddell: W: kde4libs-bin: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/lib/kde4/bin/kdeinit4 /usr/lib/kde4/lib
[11:14] <apache|mobile__> apparently I have rpath
[11:19] <Riddell> apache|mobile__: lucky you :)
[11:20] <Riddell> apache|mobile__: what version?
[11:20] <apache|mobile__> Riddell: 4.0.1 on gutsy
[11:20] <Riddell> apache|mobile__: did you compile that yourself?
[11:21] <apache|mobile__> yes
[11:21] <apache|mobile__> I'll do some investigation on hardy later today
[11:21] <apache|mobile__> Riddell: btw, are you going to push 4.0.1 to the ppa, or should stdin and moi take care of it?
[11:22] <Riddell> apache|mobile__: would be most cool if you and stdin did
[11:22] <apache|mobile__> ok
[11:22] <apache|mobile__> I'll be home in about an hour
[11:26] <Riddell> apache|mobile__: excellent, soprano 2 to start off
[11:26] <apache|mobile__> yeah, noticed that already when I tried to compile kdelibs :)
[12:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm having trouble making that patch thing work for kwin-style-crystal, could you help me out?
[12:48] <Riddell> _StefanS_: what do you hvae?
[12:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nobody's been offered sponsorship.  but last I heard you weren't running Kubuntu
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: this is true.  i was joking.
[12:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well I insert the patch and patch -R in the rules file. The first one is just after 'config.status: configure', and the patch reversal is under 'clean:'
[12:50] <Hobbsee> still, i'm going to be, at least a bit, after 4.01.
[12:50] <Riddell> _StefanS_: put debian/rules into a pastebin
[12:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: let me try one more time
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: btw, do you need me to step thru kde4 again?
[12:51] <_StefanS_> Riddell: if it fails, i will get back
[12:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: some things will need given back but not for a while
[12:54] <Hobbsee> ok
[12:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: this is my rules file: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/54839/
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I havent run either dch -i, debuild -S or anything yet. Is that wrong?
[12:56] <Riddell> _StefanS_: you forgot the "-" at the start of "patch -p1 -R.."
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh
[12:56] <Riddell> also reversing the patch should probably be after "distclean"
[12:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is it both patch commands that need - ?
[13:00] <Riddell> _StefanS_: no, just the clean one
[13:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: alright
[13:00] <Riddell> it allows that command to fail (when it isn't already applied)
[13:01] <_StefanS_> good info :)
[13:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: So what are the steps afterwards? dch -i, debuild -S and debdiff *dsc?
[13:02] <apache|mobile> stdin: pling
[13:03] <stdin> apache|mobile: plong
[13:03] <apache|mobile> stdin: already finished uploading?
[13:03] <stdin> apache|mobile: I've put up soprano and kde4libs
[13:03] <stdin> giving it a min for kdepimlibs, I hate having to requeue :p
[13:04] <apache|mobile> stdin: ok, I'll prepare the kdebases meanwhile
[13:05] <stdin> apache|mobile: ok, I'll start on the kdea*'s
[13:05] <apache|mobile> aye
[13:07] <Riddell> _StefanS_: well test build it first (debuild)
[13:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: alright
[13:07] <stdin> apache|mobile: you can use http://stdin.pastebin.com/d1641d2a3 if you want, I have it as ~/bin/backport so I just cd to the source dir and do ' backport -ppa -s "Changelog comment here" ' :)
[13:08]  * ScottK cheers nixternal for stuffing new packages into the Debian KDE svn.
[13:08] <apache|mobile> stdin: yeah, you already pasted that once :)
[13:08]  * apache|mobile prefers the manual way though
[13:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well it cant find the file to patch, are you sure the path is debian/patches/... ?
[13:08] <apache|mobile> I wanna feel the package ;-)
[13:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: lemme pastebin that
[13:09] <stdin> apache|mobile: yeah, but that get's old when you have a ton of packages to do ;p
[13:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/54843/
[13:09] <apache|mobile> stdin: true, but you could have made the script all more userfriendly :P
[13:09] <apache|mobile> like, autofetch latest source
[13:09] <apache|mobile> detect whether it's already a gutsy backport
[13:10] <apache|mobile> if so create a new entry with ~ppa1
[13:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the contents of my patch is this: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/54844/
[13:10] <apache|mobile> if not -> new entry with ~gutsy1~ppa1
[13:10] <apache|mobile> build sources
[13:10] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it looks like that patch is at -p0 not -p1
[13:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: argh :)
[13:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its because you skip the changelog?
[13:11] <Riddell> _StefanS_: --- client/crystalclient.cc  there's no directories there that need removed
[13:11] <_StefanS_> Riddell: normally I mean
[13:11] <stdin> apache|mobile: I could, but then I'd spend more time making the script than backporting the package and that kind of defeats the point
[13:11] <Riddell> it just depends on where you run the diff command
[13:12] <stdin> I just whipped it up in a couple mins during the 4.0.0 release
[13:12] <apache|mobile> stdin: you should have done it in ruby :P
[13:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so what should I do then ?
[13:12] <apache|mobile> stdin: btw, I think we should delete the hardy packages from the ppa
[13:15] <stdin> apache|mobile: probably, the UI for removing packages is a bit clunky though
[13:15] <apache|mobile> stdin: ah, ain't that bad :P
[13:17] <stdin> if the package you want to remove isn't in the 1st 50 listed, you have to search for the package name
[13:17] <stdin> that's why I say "clunky" :p
[13:17] <apache|mobile> whateva :P
[13:18] <stdin> ooh kde4libs is building now... GO GO GO :D
[13:18]  * Jucato read that as GO GO GOD...
[13:19] <stdin> I suppose if you're religious then that's fine too :)
[13:20] <Jucato> :D
[13:22] <stdin> Riddell: there are 2 Maintainer fields in kdeartwork-kde4
[13:22] <stdin> apache|mobile: remember to remove debian/shlibs.local from kdepimlibs, you remember what happened last time to kde4libs...
[13:23]  * apache|mobile starts crying
[13:23] <apache|mobile> that should be fixed in hardy
[13:24] <apache|mobile> well, actually debian I guess
[13:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: it just keeps rejecting it.. donno what is wrong
[13:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: even with patch -p0
[13:24] <_StefanS_> crap.
[13:27] <Riddell> _StefanS_: does the patch apply if you run patch manually?
[13:28] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nope
[13:28] <Trigger7> apache|mobile: what's the problem with the shlibs.local file?
[13:28] <Riddell> that'll be the problem then
[13:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nope the real problem is that it doesn't know what file to patch in the first place.. It needs to be specified. and then it works
[13:30] <apache|mobile> Trigger7: it doesn't get removed before building so it depends a lower version
[13:30] <Riddell> apache|mobile, stdin: I changed >> to > for the shlibs so it shouldn't need a rm
[13:30] <apache|mobile> i.e. 0ubuntu3 would depends 0ubuntu2
[13:30] <apache|mobile> Riddell: cool
[13:30] <stdin> ah, ok :)
[13:30] <Trigger7> jupp, what Riddel emtnions fixes the problem
[13:30] <apache|mobile> hm
[13:30] <apache|mobile> Riddell: actually, you didn't for pimlibs
[13:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: debuild is working it seems, it continued to configure now..
[13:31] <Trigger7> apache|mobile: good hint. i will fix it in debian
[13:31] <apache|mobile> Trigger7: thanks
[13:32] <Riddell> Trigger7: dato already discussed it with pusling, I didn't see the conclusion though
[13:32] <Trigger7> Riddell: the conclusion was: yep, we should do it
[13:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so now the real question is how to get some dsc files out of the package for creating a proper debdiff (?)
[13:34] <apache|mobile> debuild -S -sa
[13:34] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: thanks
[13:34] <_StefanS_> ah .. dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source..
[13:35] <_StefanS_> great.
[13:36] <apache|mobile> _StefanS_: does `make -f debian/rules clean` do any good?
[13:36] <_StefanS_> lemme try
[13:37] <stdin> shouldn't debuild clean anyway?
[13:37] <_StefanS_> never works..
[13:37] <apache|mobile> stdin: I'm not sure if it does it before dpkg-source starts complaining
[13:37] <apache|mobile> but technically it would
[13:37] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: it didnt help..
[13:38] <stdin> I know debuild -S cleans, so -sa shouldn't change that
[13:38] <apache|mobile> _StefanS_: did you add binary files?
[13:38] <apache|mobile> like images or something
[13:38] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: nope..
[13:38] <apache|mobile> ok, I'm clueless
[13:38] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: always happen for me, and I dont know what I do wrong. It is never recoverable with debuild
[13:38] <_StefanS_> crap. once again.
[13:39] <apache|mobile> _StefanS_: I'd suggest to just redo the changes in a clear unpack
[13:39] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: yes..
[13:39] <stdin> try renaming your source dir and unpacking the source again, then diff -Nru original-dir modified-dir too see what's changed
[13:39] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: tonio helped me once with this error actually... but cant remember what i did
[13:40] <apache|mobile> logs ftw! :D
[13:40] <_StefanS_> or he did ;)
[13:49] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well it builds now, but debuild -S doesnt give me any dsc files to make the diff... jeeez
[13:49] <_StefanS_> Riddell: any ideas.. ?
[13:49] <Riddell> _StefanS_: what happens when you run debuild -S ?
[13:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: everything looks good, but it doesnt produce those dsc files
[13:50] <Riddell> is there a source.build file?
[13:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/54847/
[13:51] <_StefanS_> Riddell: no source.build
[13:51] <Riddell> _StefanS_: even in the directory above?
[13:52] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ./kwin-style-crystal_1.0.5-0ubuntu2_source.build you mean
[13:52] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its there
[13:52] <Riddell> and kwin-style-crystal_1.0.5-0ubuntu2.dsc ?
[13:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes its there as well
[13:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: but it seems that the diff betwieen ubuntu1 and ubuntu2 was never produced
[13:54] <Riddell> _StefanS_: probably because you compiled it before changing the version number
[13:54] <Riddell> mkdir orig; cd orig; apt-get source foo; cd ..; debdiff orig/*dsc kwin-style-crystal_1.0.5-0ubuntu2.dsc
[13:54] <_StefanS_> two secs..
[13:55] <_StefanS_> amazing.
[13:55] <_StefanS_> its all there now :)
[13:55] <Riddell> awooga
[13:56]  * _StefanS_ is as good with debian packaging as the swedish chef from the muppets is with food.
[13:56] <_StefanS_> = bork.
[13:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: mail is on the way
[13:58] <Riddell> but now you're an expert
[13:58] <_StefanS_> wheee
[13:59] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so the proper way of doing things is actually writing the changelog before testing with debuild? else the original dsc is lost (?)
[13:59] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes, that's usually best
[14:00] <Riddell> _StefanS_: of course this manual adding of patch lines in rules isn't needed for packages which use cdbs where you just include a patch rule set
[14:00] <_StefanS_> right.
[14:00] <_StefanS_> but for smaller stuffs I guess this is the usual busines
[14:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: what would be needed to enable cdbs support for this package?
[14:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell:  just for my notes :D
[14:01] <stdin> apache|mobile: how's kdebase* coming?
[14:05] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kwii will draw some new buttons for the windeco this coming weekend, and also a matching blue image for the window title's background
[14:05] <apache|mobile> stdin: just waiting for it's deps
[14:06] <apache|mobile> something is eating my bandwith
[14:06] <_StefanS_> oh my they just announced 50mbit connections here locally..
[14:07] <_StefanS_> gimme gimme
[14:07] <apache|mobile> _StefanS_: sync?
[14:07] <stdin> you mean "up to 50mbit"
[14:07] <apache|mobile> stdin: it's always up to ;-)
[14:07] <stdin> the "up to" part is important I've found
[14:07] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: nope unfortunately
[14:07] <apache|mobile> pfft
[14:07] <apache|mobile> I want 50 up
[14:08] <_StefanS_> stdin: I have 20mbit now, and got the full bandwidth
[14:08] <stdin> apache|mobile: not with my cable modem, constant 3.5Mbps down
[14:08] <stdin> 0.5 up
[14:08] <apache|mobile> pfft, cable :P
[14:08] <stdin> and that's because I'm too cheep for the 10 or 20 Mb/s :p
[14:08] <apache|mobile> hm
[14:08] <_StefanS_> stdin: its 50048/5056
[14:08] <_StefanS_> stdin: or 20480/10240..
[14:09] <_StefanS_> probably more interesting..
[14:09]  * apache|mobile is wondering why pimlibs ain't scheduled yet
[14:09] <stdin> I'm going to change ISPs sometime soon, probably get DSL with BT
[14:09] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: they have a 15mbit sync
[14:09] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: its vdsl
[14:09] <stdin> means I'll need a new router though, I hope the'll provide :)
[14:10]  * apache|mobile finds all that ppa stuff very strange and goes for a cigarette
[14:10] <apache|mobile> _StefanS_: omg
[14:10] <apache|mobile> that would be awesome :D
[14:10] <apache|mobile> just imagine
[14:10] <apache|mobile> mhhhh
[14:10] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: yep within the first quarter its ready here.
[14:10] <apache|mobile> releasing amarok
[14:10] <apache|mobile> :D
[14:10] <apache|mobile> anyway, drugs
[14:10] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: yes release some packages !
[14:10]  * apache|mobile scuttles off
[14:10] <_StefanS_> sleep well
[14:10] <apache|mobile> bah
[14:10] <apache|mobile> _StefanS_: there are packages in the ppa
[14:10] <apache|mobile> for tp1
[14:11] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: more than amarok?
[14:11] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile: tp1?
[14:11] <apache|mobile> tech preview
[14:11] <_StefanS_> ah
[14:11] <_StefanS_> :D
[14:11] <stdin> the one with "DON'T REPORT BUGS!!!" all over the UI :p
[14:11]  * apache|mobile notes that he's working on one of the most lovely projects eva
[14:11] <apache|mobile> kubuntu is becoming what suse used to be for amarok
[14:11] <apache|mobile> stdin: yeah, got a problem with that note? :P
[14:11]  * apache|mobile created that himself
[14:12] <stdin> apache|mobile: nope, I just wish all out packages had that on them :)
[14:12] <stdin> *our
[14:12] <apache|mobile> well, more like "think before reporting"
[14:12] <apache|mobile> b0rkage reports in LP are pretty much useless if they are actually about KDe
[14:13] <stdin> maybe we should make people take an IQ test before letting them report a bug, just a thought
[14:13] <apache|mobile> by times I actually think this would make sense
[14:13] <apache|mobile> but now... tabacco island :D
[14:22] <Riddell> _StefanS_: uploaded, thanks
[14:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: keewl :D
[14:23] <Riddell> _StefanS_: interested in coming to UDS?
[14:23] <vorian> I have a kde4 package in REVU that should be ready
[14:23] <vorian> if anyone is interested
[14:23] <apache|mobile> link plz
[14:24] <vorian> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=lemonpos-kde4
[14:24] <apache|mobile> hm
[14:24] <apache|mobile> I disagree with nixternal
[14:24] <apache|mobile> -kde4 only makes sense if there is a KDE 3 version
[14:24] <vorian> hmmm
[14:25] <apache|mobile> Riddell: what's your opinion on this?
[14:25] <_StefanS_> vorian: what is it?
[14:25] <vorian> it's a point of sale front end
[14:25] <Nightrose> -kde4 makes it easier to search for them
[14:25] <vorian> aka, cash register
[14:25] <vorian> it's a business app
[14:25] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: yeah, but at some point we will have to rename them
[14:26] <Nightrose> hmm right
[14:26] <apache|mobile> every package we don't have to rename is saving us time
[14:26] <Riddell> apache|mobile: I don't especially mind
[14:26] <_StefanS_> ok
[14:26] <apache|mobile> vorian: please close a needs-packaging bug in the changelog entry
[14:27] <vorian> i didn't file an ITP
[14:28] <apache|mobile> vorian: please do so :)
[14:28] <vorian> werd
[14:28] <vorian> I'm on it
[14:29] <apache|mobile> stdin: kdebases uploaded, waiting for build
[14:29] <apache|mobile> vorian: extended description exceeds 80 characters per line
[14:29] <vorian> ok, i'll trim it up
[14:30] <apache|mobile> vorian: just add some line breaks
[14:30] <apache|mobile> please add under which version of GPL the packaging is licensed
[14:31] <apache|mobile> vorian: the wrapper creation in debian/rules is out of date, please have a look at the latest kdebase-workspace for reference
[14:31] <vorian> ok
[14:35] <apache|mobile> vorian: can I just not find the complete copies of GFDL/LGPL or are they not included?
[14:36] <vorian> just headers iirc
[14:36] <apache|mobile> vorian: upstream needs to add a complete copy of these 2 licenses
[14:36] <apache|mobile> without them the package won't pass the new queue
[14:38] <vorian> apache|mobile: GPL-2 and LGPL are included in the COPYING file
[14:39] <apache|mobile> vorian: GFDL missing though
[14:40] <apache|mobile> Riddell: can you please have a look at the COPYING whether it is enough to make a complete LGPL unncessary? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/lemonpos-kde4-0802050230/lemonpos-kde4-0.4/COPYING
[14:41] <apache|mobile> hm
[14:41]  * apache|mobile is wondering
[14:41] <apache|mobile> vorian: this might be related to my broken kde 4, but I get an ecoding issue for the upstream's author name
[14:41] <apache|mobile> Miguel ChÃ¡vez Gamboa
[14:42] <vorian> hmm
[14:42] <Riddell> apache|mobile: that's just the GPL
[14:42] <apache|mobile> Riddell: search for "lesser"
[14:42]  * apache|mobile thinks that doesn't last for 2 lpgl files :)
[14:44] <vorian> apache|mobile: it should be Miguel Chávez Gamboa
[14:44]  * vorian is changing
[14:44] <Riddell> apache|mobile: that really is just the GPL
[14:44] <apache|mobile> ok
[14:44] <apache|mobile> vorian: upstream needs to add LGPL and GFDL then
[14:45] <vorian> shizzzle
[14:45] <vorian> ok
[14:48] <apache|mobile> "This, to provide a modern good-looking interface to impact the user and the client"
[14:48] <apache|mobile> vorian: that this sounds strange there
[14:49] <apache|mobile> IMO you should merge sentence #1 and #2
[14:49] <apache|mobile> but I'm no native en speaker.. so ;-)
[14:49] <vorian> yeah, neither is the author :)
[14:50] <apache|mobile> hehe
[14:50] <vorian> of the package that is :)
[16:10] <stdin> maybe a good idea to clean out the kubuntu-members PPA, it seems some package are auto-requeued after some time
[16:10] <jeroenvrp> I am looking for a way to make sure the icons in the file-picker used by Gnome/GTK under KDE is using the KDE icons. With the gtk-to-qt-engine all icons are changed, but not these icons?!
[16:11] <jeroenvrp> now there are brown icons
[16:11] <jeroenvrp> gnome default
[16:11] <jeroenvrp> and if I change it in the gnome or gtk theme-settings; it has no effect
[16:16] <jjesse> for hardy what is the best package to install kde4? is there a kde4 meta package?
[16:16] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, kde4-core or just kde4 for the whole shebang
[16:16] <jjesse> thatnks Riddell
[16:17] <apache|mobile> stdin: did you do edu yet?
[16:17] <stdin> apache|mobile: yeah, but I have to re-upload kde4libs, it picked libgif4
[16:18] <apache|mobile> d'oh
[16:18] <apache|mobile> stdin: thats why I recommend a file which lists what needs to be changed for gutsy
[16:18] <apache|mobile> or enhance the script
[16:19] <stdin> the "libgif-dev | libungif4-dev" bit just didn't pick the right one for gutsy
[16:20] <apache|mobile> stdin: yeah, I forgot to tell you
[16:21] <apache|mobile> the thing is, it will pick whatever is installed if none is it will use the first
[16:22]  * stdin uploads kdeedu-kde4
[16:24] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:24] <nixternal> no bugging yet, to early :)
[16:24] <dasKreech> The Shirt! the Shirt! the Shirt! the shirt!
[16:24]  * ScottK hands dasKreech a smelly fish to slap nixternal with.
[16:24] <jjesse> mornin nixternal
[16:24] <nixternal> as for backporting in a fix for the plasma panel, not so important considering in a month it will be out anyways
[16:24] <nixternal> hahah dasKreech
[16:25] <nixternal> as long as it is out for 8.04 release day, that's all that matters...we don't need to backport to make the devs happy :)
[16:25] <nixternal> who cares about the devs anyways :p
[16:26] <nixternal> who sent me 300 emails in 7 hours?
[16:26] <ScottK> If that's not enough I can whip up a script to solve the problem?
[16:28] <nixternal> more than enough
[16:28] <stdin> apache|mobile: you can do kdegames-kde4, kdegraphics-kde4 and kdemultimedia-kde4, I'll do kdenetwork-kde4, kdesdk-kde4 and kdetoys-kde4. kdeutils-kde4 doesn't seem to be up yet. then it's just extragear-plasma and kdewebdev-kde4
[16:35] <stdin> never mind about plasma and kdewebdev, I'll do those too :)
[16:37] <Riddell> stdin: I don't think extragear-plasma is updated
[16:37] <Riddell> could be wrong though, nixternal?
[16:37] <stdin> extragear-plasma_4.0.1-oubuntu1
[16:37] <stdin> *0ubuntu1
[16:38] <Riddell> ok, I'm wrong :)
[16:38] <stdin> still need kdeutils-kde4 though
[16:42] <nixternal> Riddell: it was
[16:42] <nixternal> hehe
[16:42] <nixternal> had to remove lancelot and fifteenpuzzle from it
[16:51] <apache|mobile> stdin: aye
[16:52]  * apache|mobile goes on a package hunt again
[17:04] <Riddell> !paste
[17:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[17:06] <lucifaint> Hi, I just updated and it looks like there is a broken dependency, libungif4g.
[17:06] <lucifaint> Should I report a bug?
[17:06] <Riddell> lucifaint: hardy or gutsy?
[17:06] <lucifaint> gutsy
[17:07] <Riddell> lucifaint: stdin is working on that
[17:07] <lucifaint> ok thanks
[17:10] <apache|mobile> stdin: graphics, games and mm are up
[17:11] <stdin> apache|mobile: I've done network, sdk, toys, plasma and webdev :)
[17:11] <stdin> I think we're just about there now
[17:11] <apachelogger_>  stdin: now if only kdelibs would work :P
[17:12] <stdin> I've reuploaded it (again), I didn't change it to gutsy for ~ppa2
[17:12] <stdin> so ~ppa2.1 has gone up
[17:26] <stdin> apachelogger_: you need to change mm to b-d on any cdbs, not (>= 0.4.50) and graphics will need to be rebuilt after kde4libs is done
[17:30] <apachelogger_> stdin: for mm please also file a bug report, so we change it in the hardy package
[17:31] <DaSkreech> I read that as kittenma
[17:32] <stdin> apachelogger_: it doesn't matter so much in hardy, but it saves us having to backport cdbs for no good reason
[17:32] <apachelogger_> exactly... save us time by not changing the depends for gutsy :P
[17:43] <stdin> apachelogger_: bug 189310
[17:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189310 in kdemultimedia-kde4 "kdemultimedia-kde4 should not have a versioned build-depends on cdbs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189310
[17:44] <apachelogger_> thx
[17:45] <apachelogger_> I have to visit a friend, I will upload mm and graphics when I am back... ppa should be busy some time anyway ;-)
[17:47] <stdin> apachelogger_: have fun :)
[17:48] <jpatrick> smarter: any updates on bespin?
[17:48] <smarter> jpatrick: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-February/003200.html
[17:50] <Riddell> stdin, apachelogger_: how's gutsy looking?  I hear the release will happen within the hour
[17:52] <stdin> Riddell: looking good, everything's just pending building now. multimedia need's a re-upload, but I could do that
[17:52] <stdin> PPA's are being slow today though, lots of people using them
[17:53] <Riddell> hardy is a bit patch
[17:53] <Riddell> patchy
[17:53] <nixternal> that's it...I am changing my online hacker nick...
[17:53] <nixternal> I no longer go by nixternal
[17:53] <Riddell> nixternal: why?
[17:53] <nixternal> I am now....Vanilla Ice!
[17:54] <Riddell> baby
[17:54] <nixternal> hahaha
[17:54] <nixternal> Jucato's friend Eddie just pm'd me a link to the YouTube video of Ice Ice Baby
[17:54] <nixternal> I shot tea out my nose and then started dancing
[17:54] <Riddell> "All right stop collaborate and listen " not sure that's a good sentiment for us
[17:54] <nixternal> hahhahahaha
[17:55] <Riddell> this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl66pbKW5qI
[17:55] <nixternal> you know what...rolf....that would make for a good blog topic for all of the communities to bring them together
[17:56] <nixternal> hahahahahha
[17:56] <nixternal> I did not see that
[17:57] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Just checking can we be a pure KDE distro if we ship OO.o ?
[17:57] <nixternal> hahaha seele singing some John Denver!!! I love that song
[17:57] <nixternal> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8B5jLdoRjY&NR=1
[17:57] <nixternal> rofl
[17:57] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no, it's where we fail.  but koffice 2 could well replace it shortly
[17:58] <nixternal> omg, I am going to hell for witnessing aseigo singing and dancing to 'Like a Prayer'
[17:58] <nixternal> the DJ looks like he is about to wet himself
[17:58] <mhb> you're so going to hell for watching videos instead of working. Now keep working!
[17:59] <nixternal> hey...I think I deserve a mini break, I mean I did get all of extragear 4.0.1 packaged and uploaded
[17:59] <nixternal> plus I have to write some SQL scripts right now and I am procrastinating
[17:59] <mhb> everyone's just slacking off now, it's not like those good old days when everyone either worked to the bone or got poked by the Pointy Stick of Doom
[18:00] <mhb> :o)
[18:00]  * DaSkreech goes for ole pointy
[18:00] <nixternal> well, the pointy of stick of doom is now over on the dark side, so we can get away with more :p
[18:00] <mhb> nixternal: is it me or are those videos really chaotic and only several seconds in length?
[18:00] <Riddell> DaSkreech: if you end up running the next KDE conference, you'll be worked to the bone :)
[18:00] <nixternal> mhb: ya, kind of stinks...I would have loved to have seen Riddell's entire performance
[18:00] <mhb> there's some loud noise and a shape that could resemble both Riddell and Santa Claus etc.
[18:01] <DaSkreech> Riddell: I'm getting there already :) I presented the proposal last night and they want a new one
[18:01] <nixternal> oh no
[18:02]  * mhb stops making fun and keeps on learning
[18:03]  * nixternal notes there is someone there with a real video camera recording everything..wonder where those videos are
[18:03] <mhb> secretkdevideoweb.com
[18:03] <mhb> :o)
[18:09] <jjesse> hrmm why was secrekdevideoweb.com blocked form work ?
[18:09] <nixternal> prolly pr0n
[18:09] <DaSkreech> You forgot the t
[18:10] <nixternal> hahahhaa
[18:11] <jpatrick> smarter: tres bien
[18:11] <smarter> jpatrick: ;)
[18:11] <smarter> jpatrick: I'm currently working on qdevelop
[18:12] <jpatrick> smarter: I'm currently working on getting that into debian ;)
[18:12] <smarter> jpatrick: qdevelop?
[18:12] <jpatrick> smarter: bespin
[18:12] <jpatrick> mhb: "Unknown host secretkdevideoweb.com" :'(
[18:12] <smarter> jpatrick: ok, thanks ;)
[18:12] <mhb> jpatrick: what did you expect
[18:13] <jpatrick> mhb: "someone there with a real video camera recording everything.."
[18:13] <mhb> jpatrick: are you the member of the KDE l33t society?
[18:13] <mhb> jpatrick: if you were, you'd have access to it...
[18:13] <jpatrick> mhb: :P
[18:14]  * mhb wonders whether the president has a secret mailing list, too
[18:14] <jjesse> it isn't icantfindbinladen@whitehouse.gov ????
[18:15] <smarter> president of what? ;)
[18:15] <jpatrick> smarter: Wmii
[18:18]  * jpatrick wonders how long his packages will sit in the Debian NEW queue for
[18:32] <jussi01> jpatrick: forever! :P
[18:36]  * DaSkreech actually has gardenSkape notes if you want them nixternal
[18:42] <ScottK> jpatrick: My recent experience has been a little over a week.
[18:43] <matahari> hi
[18:43] <matahari> i wanted to post a bug for hardy - but i don#t know where....
[18:44] <DaSkreech> !bugs
[18:44] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[18:46] <matahari> thankx
[18:48] <matahari> does anyone know a workaround for the bug in the user-management?
[18:51] <jpatrick> ScottK: great
[18:51]  * apachelogger_ thinks Riddell should join amarok's project amoc
[18:52] <jpatrick> amoc?
[18:52] <apachelogger_> amarok's music of crap, our band project :D
[18:52] <jpatrick> mhb: aseigo's in #kde-devel - might want to ask him if he has a special list :p
[18:53] <apachelogger_> actually that thing is pretty much dead, needs new life
[18:54] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: I think it was a good thing we didn't publish our karaoke record, imagine nixternal danincg to it
[18:54] <Nightrose> rofl
[18:54] <Nightrose> yea
[18:54] <apachelogger_> Riddell: btw, why is hardy patchy?
[19:06] <ScottK2> Nothing like Microsoft and being responsive... http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/5352#more-5352
[19:07] <apachelogger_> hum
[19:07] <apachelogger_> stdin: is kdelibs building again or still?
[19:07] <ScottK2> nixternal should be made aware of this one ^^^
[19:08] <stdin> apachelogger_: done building for gutsy
[19:08] <nixternal> SELECT AVG(ChangeClose) AS AvgChange, TYear
[19:08] <nixternal> FROM NDX
[19:08] <nixternal> WHERE AvgChange > 0
[19:08] <nixternal> GROUP BY TYear
[19:08] <nixternal> ORDER BY AvgChange DESC;
[19:08] <nixternal> what doesn't that work?
[19:09] <apachelogger_> stdin: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building
[19:09] <apachelogger_> whats that then?
[19:09]  * apachelogger_ is listening to Junge Römer (live @Radiokulturhaus) by Garish on FM4 Soundselection: 14 [Amarok]
[19:10] <ScottK2> nixternal: What's the error?
[19:10] <stdin> kde4libs 4:4.0.1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa2 in ubuntu hardy RELEASE < hardy (remember I said before about ~ppa2.1)
[19:10] <apachelogger_> didn't read it carefully enough :P
[19:10] <apachelogger_> stdin: how can this happen with your script anyway?
[19:11] <nixternal> no error...I am using it in an Access DB, but when I run it, it pops up a dialog asking for me to input something for AvgChange, and if I don't enter anything and hit OK, it just shows a blank table
[19:11] <stdin> apachelogger_: because I used dch -i
[19:11] <apachelogger_> omg!
[19:11]  * apachelogger_ is horribly terrified
[19:12] <stdin> I patched debchange to allow incrementing of ~ppa releases, the script only does the initial backport
[19:12] <stdin> I should have used "dch -D gutsy -i"
[19:12] <ScottK2> nixternal: From what little sql I know, that looks reasonable.  Dunno.  Maybe the why is you're using a Microsoft product to try and do something.
[19:12] <apachelogger_> this calls for a new ruby framework :P
[19:12] <nixternal> ya, I have to, and that is the way this stupid book shows it too
[19:13] <ScottK2> stdin: Why have you done this?
[19:13]  * apachelogger_ notes that neither the KDE extragear release framework nor the neon framework are anywhere but finished
[19:13] <stdin> ScottK: done what, patched debchange?
[19:13] <ScottK2> Yes
[19:14] <stdin> because it's easier to bump ppa versions that way
[19:14] <stdin> ie: ~ppa1 -> ~ppa2
[19:14] <ScottK2> Are you planning on the being uploaded to Ubuntu or is this just your local change?
[19:15] <stdin> it already is uploaded, it's in hardy now
[19:15] <ScottK2> Oh.
[19:16] <stdin> 2.10.11ubuntu3 has the patch
[19:16] <ScottK2> I think an API change on a basic tool like debchange ought to have been discussed first, but that's just me.
[19:16] <apachelogger_> stdin: pushing graphics and mm to the ppa
[19:16] <ScottK2> Particularly a change to support stuff that's not part of Ubuntu.
[19:17] <stdin> apachelogger_: I've done 4:4.0.1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa2 (removed version on cdbs)
[19:18] <stdin> ScottK: well hobbsee approved, she was the one that asked (told) me to patch it ;)
[19:18] <apachelogger_> stdin: also did a new mm?
[19:18] <ScottK2> OK.  That's two opinions out of how many Ubuntu developers?
[19:19] <stdin> apachelogger_: that one is mm
[19:19] <ScottK2> I don't see optimizing our tools for making third party repositories as a good thing.
[19:19] <stdin> ScottK: dch/debchange still works exactly the same, but when there's a ~ppa suffix it increments that instead of the ubuntu revision
[19:20] <apachelogger_> stdin: which build did fail then?
[19:20]  * apachelogger_ lost the overview :S
[19:20] <ScottK2> stdin: Exactly what I personally don't think we want.
[19:20] <stdin> apachelogger_: graphics, just needs rebuilding against the fixed kde4libs
[19:20] <ScottK2> But them I'm oddly conservative in that I think the Ubuntu repos are the ones we actually want people to use.
[19:21] <apachelogger_> stdin: ah, wth, if something fails it's your fault :P
[19:21] <stdin> apachelogger_: it always it :p
[19:21] <stdin> *is
[19:22] <apachelogger_> for kubuntu, yes
[19:22] <apachelogger_> for amarok, it's always Nightrose's
[19:22] <Nightrose> :p
[19:22] <Nightrose> right
[19:22] <ScottK2> stdin: If you fixed the bug where Ubuntu revision numbers get added onto Debian only dch options, I totally forgive you ;-)
[19:23] <stdin> ScottK: I had to learn perl ad-hoc, took me a good couple hours to figure out how to just get it to bump the ppa version without breaking anything
[19:24] <ScottK2> I feel your pain.
[19:25] <ScottK2> In another project last year I got told "you're the postfix expert, you can be the maintainer for X".  X was written in Perl and I knew no Perl.
[19:26] <stdin> from what I've seen of it, I don't _want_ to know perl :p
[19:26]  * apachelogger_ is wondering why people use it anyway
[19:32] <smarter> Has anyone bought this? http://www.kysoh.com/tux_overview.html
[19:32] <stdin> ooh, someone's building OO.o on the PPA, that'll kill 3 buildd for a good few hours
[19:32] <apachelogger_> bah
[19:32] <apachelogger_> god
[19:32] <apachelogger_> wtf
[19:32] <apachelogger_> -.-
[19:33] <apachelogger_> can't the LP guys just add a blacklist to ppa?
[19:33] <apachelogger_> or add some system to build such things only with _empty_ queues
[19:33] <stdin> that's nothing, 2 of the buildds were locked in a loop for 3 days until a couple hours ago
[19:34] <apachelogger_> :S
[19:34] <apachelogger_> that explains a lot actually :)
[19:34] <ScottK2> Maybe they should offer a paid account where you get better buildd priority.  Some people would pay for that.
[19:35] <stdin> the worst is the language pack builders, they lock all the i386 buildd's for ~5 hours at a time, so if you need a -dev you're screwed
[19:35] <stdin> that happened during the RC2 release iirc
[19:36] <apachelogger_> ScottK2: that actually sounds like a good way to make money
[19:36] <stdin> as long as -kde4 got the highest priority, sure ;)
[19:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: could you give back kdebase-workspace on amd64
[19:40] <ScottK2> apachelogger_: And the super extra special account that gets build as soon as it's published even if some other build has to die to do it....
[19:41] <apachelogger_> sounds radical
[19:41] <apachelogger_> but reasonable
[19:49] <jpatrick> Riddell: prepare yourself for another monster LUKS patch
[19:49]  * Riddell braces
[19:49] <jpatrick> just got to get debian/rules right and it's ready
[19:54] <Lure> Riddell: thanks for qlandkarte reject ;-)
[19:54] <apachelogger> stdin: how about some multirow patching for the taskbar? ;-)
[19:54] <Lure> Riddell: already uploaded new version
[19:54] <Lure> Riddell: are we supposed to ask upstream to not do this in future?
[19:54] <apachelogger> Lure: what did upstream do?
[19:54] <Lure> Riddell: I suspect they may be violating GPL if they do not offer source fo that binaries, right?
[19:55] <Lure> apachelogger: they have included some binary libs for osx and windows/mingw
[19:56] <apachelogger> Lure: binaries shouldn't be in a source archive
[19:56] <apachelogger> though, I think they only violate GPL if they changed something in the libs code
[19:56] <Lure> apachelogger: agreed
[19:56] <Riddell> Lure: yes, they should include the source code
[19:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: no
[19:56] <apachelogger> ok :)
[19:56] <Lure> apachelogger: they need to offer source if they ship binary
[19:57] <Lure> apachelogger: if that binary is under open source license, which I think it is
[19:57] <apachelogger> well, has to be otherwise linking would be a violation
[19:59] <stdin> apachelogger: sure, let me just learn how to use KDEs classes and I'll get right on that :p
[19:59] <apachelogger> stdin: nah, I have a patch at hand :P
[19:59] <apachelogger> just wanted to get some attention
[19:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ein wenig jubel wäre toll ;-)
[19:59] <Nightrose> \o/
[19:59] <Nightrose> \o/
[19:59] <Nightrose> \o/
[20:00] <apachelogger> there we go :D
[20:00] <Nightrose> good? *g*
[20:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: merci
[20:00] <Nightrose> hehe gern geschehn
[20:01] <smarter> multirow plasma taskbar is not in kde 4.0.1?
[20:01] <apachelogger> shouldn't be
[20:01] <apachelogger> it's a feature
[20:01] <apachelogger> so it's only in 4.1 AFAIK
[20:01] <smarter> :/
[20:02] <smarter> According to: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_0to4_0_1.php plasma got some new features
[20:03] <apachelogger> smarter: only small ones I assume
[20:08] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:08] <apachelogger> hm
[20:08] <apachelogger> omg
[20:08] <apachelogger> stdin: did you install .1 yet?
[20:09] <stdin> apachelogger: not yet
[20:09] <apachelogger> stdin: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img051.png
[20:09] <apachelogger> I have a feeling gmail is broken :S
[20:10] <stdin> I hope that's just gmail
[20:10] <flipstar> i have the same problem on other websites
[20:10] <flipstar> like launchpad
[20:10] <stdin> https?
[20:10] <apachelogger> nope
[20:11] <apachelogger> lp works for me
[20:11] <DaSkreech> gmail has been horribly broken for me in the past few weeks
[20:11] <stdin> I just remembered, gmails doesn't use https by default. stupid gmail
[20:11] <apachelogger> hm
[20:11] <stdin> "Need to get 201MB of archives." lovely
[20:11] <apachelogger> maybe konqueror doesn't get the redirects right
[20:12] <apachelogger> access gmail -> URL change one -> open in konq -> URL change two -> open in konq -> gmail shows up
[20:12] <apachelogger> stdin: ~400 here :D
[20:13] <stdin> yeah, but I only have -core and a select few apps
[20:13] <apachelogger> stdin: dbg headers?
[20:13] <stdin> a few, yes
[20:13] <apachelogger> actually the wallpapers in workspace are already 50mib
[20:14] <apachelogger> and dbg headers also use quite some space
[20:14]  * apachelogger is afraid that if he restarts kdm now, it will break
[20:15] <apachelogger> hm
[20:16] <apachelogger> why are the user faces those awfully old ones again? :S
[20:16] <stdin> 7440B/s 6h59min26s < now that sucks!
[20:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:16] <apachelogger> was at 100% for me
[20:16] <stdin> I'm using gb.a.u.c, going to try another one
[20:17] <apachelogger> sounds like a plan
[20:18] <apachelogger> ok
[20:18] <apachelogger> I think redirects are broken
[20:18] <DaSkreech> Whoot 4.0.1 Time to format my machine and install KDE4 :)
[20:18] <apachelogger> ^_^
[20:19]  * DaSkreech is going to miss basket :(
[20:19] <blizzzek> gn8
[20:20] <apachelogger> waahhh
[20:20] <apachelogger> redirects are totally b0rked
[20:20] <apachelogger> can't even search kdelook
[20:20]  * apachelogger starts crying
[20:20]  * Nightrose hands apachelogger the stressball
[20:20] <stdin> hmm, archive.u.c is faster, but still slow. I have a feeling someone on my network is P2Ping
[20:20] <ScottK2> apachelogger: Man up and get to work fixing it.
[20:21] <apachelogger> but
[20:21] <apachelogger> I wanted to have a multirow taskbar :'-(
[20:21] <ScottK2> You want the boot camp speech now?
[20:22] <apachelogger> nah, just tell me what component is causing this
[20:22]  * ScottK2 doesn't know jack about KDE4.  Sorry.  I'm just standing in for the stick and telling people to get to work.
[20:23] <apachelogger> yeah, I thought so :P
[20:23]  * apachelogger goes hunting then
[20:24] <emu> are the kde 4.0.1 packages already fully available in hardy and gutsy ppa?
[20:24] <jpatrick> emu: yep
[20:24] <apachelogger> jpatrick: are ye sure? :P
[20:25] <jpatrick> apachelogger: downloading now
[20:25] <apachelogger> last I checked gutsy was still building some stuff
[20:25] <emu> will kubuntu.org have an Anouncement for that?
[20:25] <apachelogger> of course
[20:25] <emu> k
[20:26] <apachelogger> stdin: hm, every link is actually affected
[20:26] <stdin> apachelogger: nice :S
[20:28] <apachelogger> emu: wie ist der status der news?
[20:29] <emu> apachelogger: für kubuntu-de.org so gut wie fertig.
[20:29]  * emu is actually polishing it.
[20:29] <apachelogger> emu: sehr gut :D
[20:32] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:32] <apachelogger> kde bug 155942 doesn't sound that good
[20:32] <ubotu> KDE bug 155942 in general "Kopete: first account doesn't finish connect, the second account connect well" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155942
[20:32] <apachelogger> kde bug 155492 even :D
[20:32] <ubotu> KDE bug 155492 in general "Konqueror do "save as" with ALL urls" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155492
[20:36] <nixternal> oh man, I am totally loving Yakuake and KDE 4.0.1 now, true transparency is rockin'!
[20:38] <jpatrick> bug #186841 | Riddell
[20:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186841 in kdebase "[hardy] Please merge latest version of kio media LUKS support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186841
[20:40] <nixternal> hrmm, with 4.0.1 the System Settings in Kickoff is the KDE 3 System Settings
[20:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok, he's debdiffs are huge...
[20:40] <emu> will there be a updatet Kubuntu-Live CD with KDE 4.0.1?
[20:40] <emu> If yes. Could somebody tell me the url?
[20:43] <blueyed> apachelogger, stdin: bug 188498 - also happened for me with the latest 4.0.0 packages. Talked to Jonathan about it yesterday already.
[20:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188498 in kdebase "konqueror opens new window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188498
[20:43] <blueyed> Yay, 4.0.1! :)
[20:44] <jpatrick> !yay
[20:44] <ubotu> Glad you made it! :-)
[20:44] <apachelogger> blueyed: filed against the wrong package
[20:45] <blueyed> apachelogger: please fix
[20:45] <apachelogger> pfft
[20:45] <apachelogger> haha
[20:45] <blueyed> thanks :)
[20:45] <apachelogger> I had to open a new konqueror to do that :D
[20:46] <gribelu> so umm.. is the panel supposed to support multiple rows now?
[20:46] <apachelogger> that bug is awakening anger
[20:46] <apachelogger> gribelu: no!
[20:46] <gribelu> gawd damn
[20:46] <blueyed> I have FF as default browser now because of this..
[20:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: halt mich fest
[20:46] <Nightrose> ohje
[20:46] <Nightrose> wasup honey?
[20:46] <apachelogger> blueyed: that is not a solution at all
[20:46] <blueyed> apachelogger: didn't it happen for you since the last week already?
[20:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: dieser scheiß konqueror will nit :(
[20:46] <Nightrose> :(
[20:46] <apachelogger> blueyed: no
[20:46] <blueyed> apachelogger: sure, but for the moment the best workaround.
[20:46]  * Nightrose tritt konqueror
[20:46]  * emonkey packt den apachelogger und singt ihm ein beruhigendes Lied zu
[20:47] <apachelogger> blueyed: we don't work around, we fix :P
[20:47]  * apachelogger singt mit emonkey
[20:47] <apachelogger> mhh, mein lieblingslied von slipknot :D
[20:47] <emonkey> ^^
[20:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: gell ;-)
[20:47] <Nightrose> :P
[20:47] <Nightrose> sicher
[20:48] <jpatrick> yay für Deutsch
[20:48] <apachelogger> hehe
[20:48] <emonkey> #kubuntu-de-vel
[20:49] <emonkey> :P
[20:49] <apachelogger> hahahaha
[20:49] <apachelogger> Ich bin göttlich!
[20:49] <apachelogger> mindestens!
[20:49] <apachelogger> eher master of the universe-lich
[20:49] <apachelogger> bug fixed
[20:49] <Nightrose> \o/
[20:49] <apachelogger> :D :D :D
[20:49] <emonkey> .oO(bald hassen uns die Leute hier wegen dem Deutsch )
[20:50] <apachelogger> emonkey: wurde so angefragt, weil ja unsere franzosen nichtmehr flooden
[20:50] <apachelogger> müssen die deutschsprachigen ran ;-)
[20:50] <emonkey> lol
[20:50] <emonkey> hier wird mehr Deutsch gesprochen als in #ubuntu-ch
[20:51] <apachelogger> hehe
[20:52] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:53] <blueyed> apachelogger: fixed it.. :) File Associations => text/html => left click action => show file in embedded viewer
[20:53] <blueyed> (I've now configured it for the whole text group)
[20:53] <blueyed> (needs konqueror restart)
[20:53] <blueyed> !yay
[20:53] <ubotu> Glad you made it! :-)
[20:54]  * blueyed hugs Konqueror again
[20:54] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[20:54] <apachelogger> something is defenitely strange here
[20:54] <apachelogger> shouldn't the bug reappear when I remove my fix? :P
[20:54] <blueyed> apachelogger: Riddell said something about moving the kde4 desktop files yesterday..
[20:55] <apachelogger> that shouldn't cause this IMO
[20:55] <blueyed> but it matched the time when it started for me.. (1 week ago or so)
[20:59] <apachelogger> no
[20:59] <apachelogger> this issue prolly resides within the konqueror package
[20:59] <apachelogger> there is something wrong
[21:00] <blueyed> apachelogger: but how has the konqueror package changed during 4.0.0? Maybe it's even a different cause on your end than on mine..
[21:02] <apachelogger> this is way too strange
[21:05] <apachelogger> blueyed: possible but unlikely
[21:07] <Riddell> hi iRon, interested in coming to UDS?
[21:07] <Riddell> oh, he left
[21:08]  * apachelogger notes Riddell is apparently on promo tour for UDS :D
[21:08] <hunger> apachelogger: Are you talking about konq-kde4? I can check when/whether it was updated if you need to know.
[21:09] <apachelogger> hunger: would be awesome :)
[21:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: want to come to fosscamp if you can't do UDS?  it's just a weekend
[21:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: where is that?
[21:09] <apachelogger> and when
[21:09] <hunger> apachelogger: Got /etc under version control;-) It includes a package list here, so I can check when I updated it.
[21:09] <blueyed> now (after kdm restart) konqueror-3 appears to be the default browser (from konversation/kde3)..
[21:09] <DaSkreech> !info vym hardy
[21:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: May, czech
[21:09] <ubotu> vym (source: vym): mindmapping tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.10.0-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 1419 kB, installed size 3760 kB
[21:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, depends on the exact date, but czech sounds good :)
[21:22] <apachelogger> blueyed: please run `which keditfiletype`
[21:23] <blueyed> apachelogger: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/keditfiletype
[21:23] <hunger> apachelogger: I updated konq-kde4 from version 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu4 to 5 on 29th of jan. The next update was to kde 4.0.1 today.
[21:23] <apachelogger> blueyed: dpkg -S keditfiletype
[21:24] <blueyed> apachelogger: kcontrol, kdebase-bin-kde4
[21:24] <apachelogger> hunger: hm, it might be that it was broken all .0 long, but it only got exposed now
[21:24] <nixternal> yes, and now YouTube and Konqi 4 work
[21:24] <nixternal> today is a good day!
[21:25] <nixternal> OK, time to go vote and get to the uni
[21:25] <blueyed> https seems to be broken still though..
[21:25] <hunger> apachelogger: OK, then I'll not look further. It is easy to check for the last change (git-blame), the ones before that are a bit harder.
[21:25] <blueyed> nixternal: yes, go vote! :)
[21:25] <nixternal> how is it broke blueyed?
[21:25] <blueyed> nixternal: "The process for the https://daniel.hahler.de protocol died unexpectedly." - at least for e.g. https://daniel.hahler.de/
[21:26] <blueyed> might be the certificate type and such
[21:26] <nixternal> yup, I got that too...only seems that sight I have seen it on though
[21:26] <blueyed> https://gmail.com/ works
[21:27] <nixternal> alrighty, I will talk to you all in about 7 hours...man what a busy evening ahead of me
[21:27] <nixternal> plus we have 6 inches or more of snow coming tonight...starting to get tired of that :)
[21:27] <blueyed> Signing out on gmail fails instantly with "Timeout on server" though..
[21:29] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Ship it to Jamaica
[21:32] <jpatrick> Riddell: may? czech? hmm
[21:33] <Riddell> jpatrick: interested?
[21:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: if Canonical buys me a new passport
[21:34] <jjesse_> is chez where the next uds is ?
[21:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: aren't you in spain?
[21:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: ssh, it's not announced yet :)
[21:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: passport-less tho, and we Brits can't move around with it
[21:35] <Riddell> jpatrick: sure we can, in schengen nobody should check
[21:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: no, UK government (damn them) never signed it
[21:35] <Trigger7> you just need a id card
[21:36] <Trigger7> ok. stupids ;)
[21:36] <Riddell> right but once you're in, you're in
[21:36] <jpatrick> Trigger7: you think I haven't tried that? :)
[21:36] <Riddell> how did you get to spain anyway?
[21:36] <emonkey> funny that we swiss are not in the EU but we're part of Schengen
[21:36]  * emonkey don't need a pass for czech
[21:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: passport hadn't expired
[21:37] <Riddell> jpatrick: well I think you'd have an easier job getting to czech than back into the british isles
[21:38] <apachelogger> emonkey: actually you do, for identification
[21:38] <Trigger7> but why can we german travel to uk with just an id card? weird europe
[21:38] <jpatrick> Riddell: tell that to the French police ;)
[21:38] <emonkey> apachelogger, We've got an ID Card which is enough ... I was in GB only with the ID Card
[21:38] <apachelogger> emonkey: it ain't
[21:39] <apachelogger> technically you can be arrested without passport
[21:39] <apachelogger> well well
[21:39] <apachelogger> 2 possabilities for the konqueror issue
[21:39] <apachelogger> 1. something is b0rked while compiling
[21:39] <apachelogger> 2. a file is missing
[21:39] <jpatrick> emonkey: yeah, the crap thing with the ID cards in Spain is that they don't let you move around, they only say: "this guy lies here"
[21:39] <jpatrick> lives*
[21:39] <emonkey> lol
[21:39] <apachelogger> because it works when I compile from src
[21:40]  * apachelogger kicks konqueror
[21:42] <mhb> jpatrick: really?
[21:42] <jpatrick> mhb: yep
[21:42] <mhb> jpatrick: I mean with our ID cards it should be possible to move around all europe without much trouble
[21:42] <mhb> I've flown to Greece with just that
[21:42] <jpatrick> mhb: ok, in Spain there's 1) national cards (natives only) 2) residence cards (what I'm stuck with)
[21:44] <mhb> jpatrick: aww, too bad
[21:56] <DaSkreech> !info python hardy
[21:56] <ubotu> python (source: python-defaults): An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.5.1-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 137 kB, installed size 600 kB
[22:01] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:01] <apachelogger> omg
[22:01] <mhb> an unimportant announcement!
[22:01]  * apachelogger is listening to Rivers Of Babylon by Boney M. on Greatest Hits [Amarok]
[22:02] <jjesse_> ok now i feel stupid where do i go in kde4 system settings to add a new user
[22:03] <mhb> I can host one or two folks at my place if UDS takes place in Prague
[22:03]  * apachelogger is wondering
[22:03] <ScottK2> jjesse_: Open Konsole and then man adduser.
[22:03] <mhb> I can't pay the travel for you, but you can get the accomodation free as in freedom and beer alike
[22:03] <apachelogger> mhb: won't that result in endless discussion and no sleep? :)
[22:03] <jjesse_> ScottK2: i know how to use adduser, but where is the add user portion in system stetings in kde4?
[22:03] <jjesse_> not there yet?
[22:04] <ScottK2> Dunno
[22:04] <ScottK2> Just know that way works
[22:04] <jjesse_> ScottK2: i know, working on updating chapter and want to make sure i tell them the correct way
[22:04] <mhb> jjesse_: well in KDE3 systemsettings, you used guidance config tool
[22:04] <ScottK2> Ah.
[22:04] <mhb> jjesse_: those aren't ported to KDE4 systemsettings yet.
[22:04] <jjesse_> and is there a port for guidance config tool yet
[22:04] <jjesse_> ah beeat me to it
[22:05] <jjesse_> so hrmm how do i want to phrase this.... "to add new users start a kde3 session?
[22:05] <apachelogger> jjesse_: just start the kde3 systemsettings
[22:05] <mhb> apachelogger: no, we do the blueprints during the day and implement them at night :o)
[22:06] <apachelogger> result is the same :P
[22:06] <mhb> jjesse_: launching "userconfig" might work
[22:06] <mhb> or sudo userconfig, to be exact
[22:06] <jjesse_> or typing kuser in the application launcher
[22:06] <Nightrose> jjesse_: there is user manager kde 4 for that I think
[22:06]  * apachelogger declares war on the konqueror-kde4 package
[22:07] <mhb> jjesse_: perhaps.
[22:07] <mhb> jjesse_: perhaps there's another user configuration app in KDE4
[22:07] <mhb> jjesse_: but then I can't find it :o)
[22:07] <Lure> Riddell: are we supposed to backport some nice-to-have features from 4.1 to 4.0.x?
[22:07] <Riddell> Lure: I'm not expecting it
[22:07] <jjesse_> mhb i can't find it either
[22:08] <jjesse_> thats why i felt stupid
[22:08]  * Lure just notices suse backported panel size changes
[22:08] <Trigger7> Lure: is there a patch around?
[22:08] <Lure> Trigger7: it is in trunk - I am using it (panel tiny, location on top)
[22:09] <Trigger7> Lure: i mean a patch which applies agains the 4.0 branch
[22:09] <jjesse_> are there 4.1 packages available yet or still building from source?
[22:09]  * Lure hopes that they decide to include it officially in 4.0.2 - that would be better for everybody
[22:09] <Lure> jjesse_: I do daily build of trunk for my laptop
[22:09] <jjesse_> Lure: ah
[22:09] <ScottK2> jjesse_: 4.0.1, not 4.1
[22:10] <jjesse_> sorry that's what i meant
[22:10] <jjesse_> boy i'm having a rough day today
[22:10] <ScottK2> Well since you're writing a book, I wanted to make sure.
[22:10] <jjesse_> ScottK2: i am
[22:10] <ScottK2> Great.
[22:13] <Lure> time for bed - good night all!
[22:13] <Lure> Riddell: thanks for qlandkarte
[22:13] <Riddell> thank you Lure
[22:13] <ScottK2> Lure: Good night
[22:33] <ScottK2> So I see Feb 19 is the planned date for 3.5.9
[22:34]  * DaSkreech still thinks we should have 4.1 packages. 
[22:34]  * DaSkreech is grumpy
[22:35] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: we do
[22:35] <blueyed> DaSkreech: weekly builds?
[22:35] <jpatrick> ah wait no
[22:35] <DaSkreech> Yes
[22:35]  * blueyed seconds DaSkreech :)
[22:35] <DaSkreech> THat would mean a new ppa though
[22:35] <DaSkreech> as I understand ppas
[22:35] <Riddell> ScottK2: just after feature freeze
[22:35] <Riddell> DaSkreech: go ahead if you want to, PPAs are as easy to make as launchpad teams
[22:36] <blueyed> Riddell: it's a bugfix release, isn't it?
[22:36] <Riddell> blueyed: 3.5.9?  mostly, except kdepim
[22:36] <Riddell> it'll be fine to get into hardy
[22:36] <blueyed> ppas are though limited due to buildds, afaics.
[22:36] <blueyed> yes, great.
[22:37] <DaSkreech> Riddell: I thought there was only two machines for ppa allocation ?
[22:38] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I count 3+3=1 https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[22:38] <Riddell> 3+3+1
[22:39] <DaSkreech> Hmm ok
[22:39] <Riddell> vorian: poke
[22:39] <Riddell> vorian: "It was downloaded from ftp://ftown.kde.org" typo, fix in next upload
[22:41]  * _StefanS_ wonders what happened to the lpia arch.. did it ever amount to anything?
[22:41] <ScottK2> It's for UME.  Still developing.
[22:42] <_StefanS_> oh ok..
[22:42] <_StefanS_> gotta try the new kde4 packages...weee
[22:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, we have a major issue in KDE 4's konqueror
[22:43] <apachelogger> due to the complete path to kfmclient we expose some very strange bug
[22:43] <apachelogger> where KDE 4 apparently by default wouldn't embedd html mimetypes
[22:43] <Riddell> why does the complete patch cause that?
[22:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have no clue
[22:44] <apachelogger> maybe because the desktop file also defines the mimetype at the end of Exec
[22:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: but if you remove the complete path then it is all fixed?
[22:44] <apachelogger> and the mimetype of course includes a slash
[22:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[22:44] <Riddell> good work sherlock
[22:44] <Riddell> doesn't sound too hard to fix
[22:45] <Riddell> how did you work that out?
[22:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: a guy from kubuntu-de made me think of it, one can workaround the issue by manually turning the embedding on - so I grepped for mimetype defintions in the desktop files, and voila
[22:47] <Trigger7> Riddell: dod you move any stuff from kdebase* packages into konqueror? we noticed some time ago, that if you just install konquror and not the rest of the packages you can't make any settings. but no one tried harder to find out what needs to be moved yet
[22:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: how about a second .desktop file which is the same but no absolute path and NoDisplay=true ?
[22:47] <Riddell> Trigger7: nope, not looked at that at all
[22:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: kfmclients already have nodisplay=true :)
[22:48] <Trigger7> Riddell: ok. so we should keep it in mind and fixit one day
[22:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah, so we just need to exclude it from the debian/rules stuff
[22:48] <apachelogger> well
[22:48] <apachelogger> oh
[22:48] <apachelogger> idea
[22:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: we can just leave the original desktop files in /usr/lib/kde4...
[22:49] <apachelogger> this way the original should override those with absolute path
[22:49]  * apachelogger tests
[22:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I was thinking, are there any efforts to change the login splash ?
[22:50] <Riddell> _StefanS_: which?
[22:51] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh sorry for kde4 :)
[22:51] <mi> kde4 still don't have chat ????
[22:51] <apachelogger> yay
[22:51] <apachelogger> works like a charm
[22:51] <apachelogger> mhhhh
[22:51] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: what works ? :)
[22:51] <Riddell> _StefanS_: no, we have a hard enough time getting artwork for the wallpaper never mind anything else
[22:51] <Riddell> _StefanS_: plus if anything should happen it should be removed
[22:51] <_StefanS_> Riddell: right I understand.
[22:51] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: konqueror in kde4 :D
[22:52] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: konversation/kde3 just crashed the entire kde4 session 4 mins ago :)
[22:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: someone should probably talk to aaron about the wallpaper configuration in k-d-s-kde4
[22:52] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: I just launched it :D
[22:52] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: never happened for me
[22:52] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: well now it doesnt crash. So..
[22:52] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: dont know what happened
[22:53] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: ye prolly didn't treat it well enough :-P
[22:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm experimenting with some windeco/style based on qtcurve/kde4 if thats ok, donno if you have interest in going down that path
[22:53] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: prolly not :)
[22:54] <_StefanS_> oh my its late
[22:54] <apachelogger> uh
[22:54]  * apachelogger is listening to 3.6: "Pond-erosa Puff (live)" by OpenBSD on The Songs 3.0 - 4.0 [Amarok]
[22:54]  * _StefanS_ does really get the idea of desktop icons in kde4 acting as plasmoids..
[22:54] <_StefanS_> doesnt :D
[22:54] <_StefanS_> zzz
[22:55] <_StefanS_> weee time to test konq in kde4
[22:55] <stdin> wow, everything built :P
[22:55]  * _StefanS_ passes a beer to stdin
[22:56] <stdin> mmm, pancakes and beer :)
[22:56] <_StefanS_> yummy!
[22:58] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: is your konq downloading everything as files it its not regular *.html ?
[22:59] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: try going to kde-look.org, and search something
[22:59] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: mine wants to download search.php :)
[22:59] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: I am fixing this right now
[22:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: excellent excellent
[22:59] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: mime stuff?
[22:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you have the bug number for that?
[23:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 188498
[23:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188498 in kdebase-kde4 "konqueror opens new window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188498
[23:01]  * apachelogger testbuilds
[23:01] <_StefanS_> this might have slipped my mind, but do you intend to build 4.0.1(or .2) to include in final hardy?
[23:02] <_StefanS_> kde that is.
[23:08] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: do you know which package has the kwin headers? since there's not kwin-kde4-dev
[23:08] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace-dev?
[23:08] <_StefanS_> ah thanks
[23:09] <_StefanS_> apt never stops amazing me.. thank god we're not using rpm's :)
[23:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hmm kwin headers werent in that package it seems
[23:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: any other ideas?
[23:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ah, it was just a cached configure that fooled me..
[23:27] <DaSkreech> Food ans Liquor
[23:31] <MaximLevitsky> Take a look here:
[23:31] <MaximLevitsky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178242
[23:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178242 in kdebase "KDM doesn't work in XDMCP mode" [Undecided,New]
[23:32] <MaximLevitsky> Whom should I contact to ask to apply the fix for this bug
[23:43] <blueyed> cheers apachelogger, for fixing bug 188498
[23:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188498 in kdebase-kde4 "konqueror opens new window" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188498
[23:43] <blueyed> What was wrong?
[23:45] <MaximLevitsky>  blueyed, you ask me?
[23:45] <blueyed> No, MaximLevitsky. But am looking now.
[23:45] <MaximLevitsky> This is simple bug with fix and it waits to be commited
[23:46] <blueyed> MaximLevitsky: you need a main sponsor for it..
[23:46] <MaximLevitsky> What do you mean?
[23:47] <blueyed> someone who can upload to "main".
[23:47] <blueyed> MaximLevitsky: can you create a debdiff for it?
[23:48] <MaximLevitsky> Not yet, I never created one, but, the fix is a simple patch sn't it?
[23:53] <stdin> you need to create a debdiff then attach it to the bug report and assign ubuntu-main-sponsors. you should also probably add that tag "patch". see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff to find out how to make a debdiff (it's just a patch for a debian source package)
[23:53] <stdin> MaximLevitsky ^
[23:54] <MaximLevitsky> You mean that I need to modify the package, then rebuild it, then create a binary diff, and send it?
[23:55] <stdin> not a binary diff
[23:55] <stdin> you don't need to build the package, just edit it's files and add a changelog entry
[23:56] <MaximLevitsky> Thats better :-)
[23:56] <MaximLevitsky> So I grab the source the usial way, I mean apt-get source kdm, ...
[23:56] <MaximLevitsky> right, stdin?
[23:57] <stdin> yeah
[23:57] <MaximLevitsky> Now I will create such a diff, but whome should I contact to tell them to apply it?
[23:57] <stdin> then add the patch to debian/patches and add an entry "Added patch acb.diff (LP: 178242)", then rebuild "debuild -S" and make a debdiff with "debdiff oldpackage.dsc newpackage.dsc > package.debdiff"
[23:58] <stdin> just attach it to the bug report and assign ubuntu-main-sponsors
[23:58] <MaximLevitsky> And this will help, what do you think?
[23:59] <stdin> that's the official way, yes
[23:59] <MaximLevitsky> Thanks a lot, very much